02-18-25 Hour 1 of Broncos Country Tonight

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome into it. Broncos Country Tonight Short show edition post
see you Basketball edition here got you for about an hour,
give or take. Looking forward to hanging out with you
here tonight, getting a little bit of getting a little
bit of the weeds on some of these stories that
that I've been wanting to get into. There's a couple

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of different things. I want to give this Jonathan Martin,
Ritchie and Cognito thing here in a minute story landed
on ESPN last week. We'll get to that here in
just a minute. Programming note being this week, but next
week Ryan Edwards and I are going out to the
NFL Scouting Combine. We'll be doing the afternoon show on
KAA and the night show will be Nick and I
believe Grant and that is that will be next week.

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I'll be back. We'll be back in town on Friday
of next week, so looking forward to looking forward to
that as well. I want to get into a few
different things. Somebody sent me some rumor or today about
von Miller coming back to the Broncos. I talked to
somebody on the Broncos and they said that has not
even been discussed, So I don't know where that got

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started if it's going to happen or any of that
kind of stuff. But anybody out there telling you that
it's something that's currently in the works is that's not true.
So just to get that bit of housekeeping out of
the way, I want to talk to you guys about
this Jonathan Martin Richie Incognito thing. For those of you
that don't remember the Wells report, Dolphins offensive tackle Jonathan Martin,

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who did his plays college ball at Stanford, abruptly left
practice one day, checked in for psychological help, and this
whole story, you know, sort of blew up from there.
You can dive back into all that if you don't
remember it. It led to the Dolphins in the NFL
hiring Ted Wells to do reports one hundred and forty
pages long. And recently Jonathan Martin did a year long

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sort of interview thing with the ESPN and that story
came out, and the poll quote from that was I
never believed for a second I was being bullied. It's
a story I've been trying to fix for ten years.
And while that's the poll quote, you can tell the
people who haven't actually read the article trying to exonerate
Richie Incognito because that poll quote is Martin trying to

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give a sheelf affirming, you know, I won't be bullied.
I'm moving on with my life kind of thing, when
in reality you can go back and look at what
just an awful human being, Richie Incognito was the man
at the center of the harassment that Martin experienced. Richie
Incognito has responded to that article frankly by bullying media

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members on Twitter and trying to get people to apologize
for the whole thing, and it's prompted a small army
of people who apparently didn't actually read the article to
get behind him. But there's a lot more to this
story the facts, you know, and that's sort of the
thing here. Facts tend to disrupt narratives, and that's what

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we wanted to get into. What led to the widespread
reporting about the things Incognito and others pouncy and you know,
there was another offensive line of John Jerry, I think
from ole miss Incognito and others did and said to
Martin to Tedwells report. All one hundred and forty pages
of it are online. You can read that. And so

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before anybody takes any more of Jonathan Martin's comments and
twist them into some sort of exoneration of Rinchie Incognito.
You should probably read that report, or at least skim it,
but I'll give you the gist of it. You could
just read the first five pages of the report and
see what an absolutely awful person Incognito was some of

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the things on there. On the Monday of October twenty eight,
twenty thirteen, midway through the season, Martin abruptly walked out
of the Dolphins practice facility checked himself into a nearby hospital,
requesting psychological treatment. After a thorough examination of the facts,
the Wells Report concluded the three starters on the Miami
Dolphins offensive line, Richie Incognito, John Jerry, and Mike Pouncy
engaged in a pattern of harassment directed not only of Martin,

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but also another young Dolphins offensive lineman who they referred
to as player A for confidentiality reasons, and a member
of the training staff who they referred to in the
report as assistant trainer. Martin was taunted on a persistent
basis with sexually explicit remarks about his sister, his mother, ridicule,
racial insults, and other offensive comments. In twenty thirteen, the

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Dolphins distributed a workplace conduct policy memo to all players. Incognito, Jerry,
and Pouncy each signed an acknowledgement form stating that they understood,
agree to be bound by it. Policy defined harassment to
include unwelcome contact, jokes, antis, generalizations put down skuided by this.
Pall SATs not difficult to conclude that the assistant trainer
and player A were harassed, but the questions raised in
Martin's case were more complex, nuanced, and difficult. As an

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initial matter, Martin developed an odd but seemingly close friendship
with Incognito. Not only did did both linemen report they
enjoyed socializing, the evidence show they also communicated with each
other in a fairly vulgar manner, as locker rooms are
wont to do. Incognito contends that the conduct about which
Martin complains was part of locker room banter meant in

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good fun, and then Martin was a willing and active
participant in verbal sparring, never letting on that he was
hurt by it. Martin claims that at times he persisted
participated in off color joking with Incognito and others to
fit in with hopes of reducing the treatment that he
found offensive. According to the Wells Consulting Expert, which is
a psychologist who focuses on matters of workplace conduct, such
reactions consistent with the behavior of that the report ultimately

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concludes that Martin was indeed harassed by Incognito, who could
be pretty fairly described as the main instigator, and that
Jerry and Pouncy You tended to follow his Incogniti's lead.
Shortly after mart And left the team, Incognito made a
number of telling entries in a notebook he used to
keep track of fines the offensive lineman imposed on each other.

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Kangaroo court typically for you know when locker rooms they
have these things for trivialent fractions such as arriving late
to meetings. You can see a fairly benign coangaroo courd.
If you watched I Believe It's season three of ted Lasso,
you know they have one in there with the Isaac
the team captain's wearing the wig. It's it's their ownkangaroo courd.

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Incognito recorded a two hundred dollar fine against himself for
quote breaking. J mart awarded another aligneman who had been
verbally taunted eight two undred and fifty dollars bonus for
quote not cracking first, and wrote down a number of
penalties against Martin for acting like a word that I
can't say right near on the air. But you guys
can book this up, the evidence shows, and Incognito did

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not dispute that breaking j mart meant causing Martin to
have emotional reaction in response to taking Approximately one week
after Martin left the team, Incognito wrote nearly identical messages
to Pouncy and another offensive lineman, they're going to suspend me,
Please destroy the Fine Book first thing in the morning,
and he added emphasis in that text message. We view

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the Wells Report views Incognito's entries in The Fine Book
about breaking him in his attempt to destroy the Fine Book,
which was unsuccessful, by the way, evidence demonstrating his awareness
that he engaged in improper conduct toward Martin. The Wells
Report rejected the assertion by Incognito that Martin had fabricated

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claims of harassment after the fact. Text messages Martin said
to his parents and others months before he left the Dolphins,
which had never been before been made public, corroborate Martin's
account that he was distressed by the insults from his
teammates and experiencing emotional turmoil because he believed he was
a pushover was unable to stop them. Martin's vulnerabilities do
not excuse the harassment that was directed at him. Police

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picking on vulnerable victims. The evidence establishes the persistent harassment
by Incognito, Jerry, and Pouncy contributed to Martin's decision to
leave the team. This was not all good natured fun.
According to the Wells Report. They didn't The Weals Report
didn't believe that, despite the rasmith, that they intended to

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drive Martin from the team or cause him lasting emotional injury.
Beyond that that introduction, you could take a peek at
the comments made by made about Jonathan Martin's sister if
you're on the Wells Report. That's pages nine and ten.
The unitted text of the voice message that Martin's father

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still has to this day, which is listed on pages
ten to eleven, and is chock full of riching Incognito
dropping the N word, and whatever else when talking to
and leaving a message for Martin. The text message is
Martin explain exchange with his parents he tried to handle
the situation. That's on pages thirteen or fourteen the Wells Report,

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the harassment director to the assistant trainer on page twenty two,
physical harassment on eighty five, and eighty eight on page twelve.
For the most part, Incognito does not dispute saying or
writing any of the statements that Martin claim offended him.
He admitted at times a very purpose was to get
under the skin of another person. From Incognito's perspective, the
statements in question were accepted part of the everyday camaraderie

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of the Dolphins offensive line. Martin's comment here eleven years
later than he never believed he was quote bullied didn't
erase any of the content from the Wells report, and
to the extent Incognito takes issue with any sum over
all of it, He's had more than eleven years to
correct the record. There was a statement issued to Pro

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Football Talk the same day the Wells report was released
in which Incognito's lawyer, Mark Shamil said, mister Wells needed
for reporters replete with errors. It's disappointing that mister Wells
would have gotten it so wrong, but not so prising.
The truth is reported by the Dolphins players, and it
is shown by the evidence, is that Martin was never
bullied by Cognito or any other member of the Dolphins
offensive line. We're analyzing the report. They'll release an analysis,

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a thorough analysis, as soon as it's ready. We are
here eleven years later, and there was never any thorough
analysis that was ever released that Shamill promised. Martin's comments
to ESPN are not analysis of that either. I mean,
if Incognito disputes any portion of the Wells Report, and

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he's had more than a decade to make his case,
and these facts won't change the thing. Incognito prefers to
focus on Martin's more recent words in an attempt to
twist them and ignore the many pages that were reviewed
by the NFL, the legal team of the Wells Report,
to Mimy Dolphins, and everybody else. It's weird to see

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on Twitter people campaigning for Richie Incognito. I don't understand it.
I don't I don't, I don't get it. The only
thing I can think of is that perhaps these people
didn't actually read the article. That's the only thing I

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can think of is that they just did not a
they just didn't read it at all. It took the
took the pull quote and the running with it. And
Richie Incognito, for his part, is trying to utilize that
to pretend that he didn't do any of the things
that he did. He I mean, look, I'm going to

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read you the text of this. I'm going to read
you the text of the voice. Just one voicemail that
Richie Incognito left for Jonathan Martin in April twenty thirteen.
That's this is a year after mart was drafted. Quote, Hey,
what's up you half n word piece of S word?
I saw you on Twitter. You've been training ten weeks.
I want to s word in your F word mouth.
I'm going to slap your fing mouth. I'm going to

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slap your real mother across the face. Then he laughs.
F you you're still a rookie. I'll kill you. That's
that's just one like and the idea that that Richie
Incognito is some I mean, like, look, I played, I was,
I was in the I was in the army. I
understand what what banter is. I understand what locker room
talk is. This isn't some uh you know, soft dude,

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sitting here telling you all that's just whatever, Like you know,
they're that kind of language would be unacceptable militarily. And
and I heard, you know, I heard awful things in
the in the context of banner banter back and forth.
There the idea that that this is okay, and that
Richie Incognito didn't do anything, and and all that kind

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of stuff. Simply because Jonathan Martin is saying now that
I don't view myself as being a victim of bullying.
Is really just Martin trying to take power back in
his life. And and in a sense, Martin's trying to
revise story a little too. He doesn't want to feel
like a victim at this point in his life. Martin,
who is out of football and works in the cryptocurrency industry,

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doesn't want to feel like a victim at this point. Cool.
Happy for you, man. You know, honestly, there's there's way
too much victimhood going on around the world right now.
Everybody's a victim of something. Good for you for taking
the power back as far as that goes. But that
doesn't absolve Richie Incognito from being a bully. Because whether
you feel like you were bullied or not he was

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trying to bully you, that's what he was doing. He's
he was always that guy. He was always that person.
It's not like that's something that's uh, that's new with
Richie Incognito. You know, he was he was that dude.
And it's you know, it's it's it's fascinating to sort
of to sort of watch him try to revise a

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lot of this stuff later on. You go back and
you look at what was going on at the time,
and Incognito was just as loud back then, telling Adam
Scheffer to stop slandering his name. Yeah, Mike Garrafolo was

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out there reporting on it. There were multiple sources that
that there was possible that Incognito may have taken order
from coaches to tough and Martin up. The voicemail that
ultimately led to incognito suspension was made after Martin missed

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two days of voluntary workout stuff, and the reports at
the time was that Dolphin's general manager, Jeff Ireland reacted
to this by suggesting that Martin should punch Incognito. It
was just, you know, it's just a bizarre, a bizarre

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sort of thing. Incognito guarded attention over the years for
dirty play, gollaging eyes, you know, those kinds of things,
you know, he was placed in. Cognito himself was placed
in May of twenty eighteen on an involuntary psychiatric hold
for his part in an altercation at a Lifetime fitness

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center in Boca Ratan, where he threw a tennis ball
and a dumbbell at another gym patron. He was reported
to be in an altered paranoid state and was ranting
about being spied on. But you know, got back in
the league, back in training, and was trying to get
back in the NFL at that point ultimately did. Incognito

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was arrested after an incident at a funeral home where
he threatened to shoot employees while making funeral arrangements for
his father. Police see these two blocks, three rifles a
suppressor for a handgun, you know. Employees told Scottsdale police
in Cognito wanted his his father's head to be donated
for research purposes, that he'd walk through the funeral home
punching caskets and throwing objects. He was charged with disorderly

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conduct and uh and making threats. You know, it's it's
it's fascinating to watch the revisionist history here, and fascinating
to watch as Incognito tries to re wallpaper, you know,
portions of his life. Jonathan Martin is not recanting what happened.

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He's simply changing the narrative on it that he's no
you know, like there's there's a there's an element as
a man too, you know, the narrative that you were
weak because you were bullied and that kind of thing.
And Martin, for his part, is just trying to move on.
Incognito would would would be best serve piping down and
and letting that wash over, whether than seeing everyone remind
him of who he really is. Frocos Country to Night,

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be back after this, Welcome back to it, Broncos Country Tonight.
Ben's but Albright here with you. It's har for going
along on the Richie Incognito Jonathan Martin stuff in the
last second. It just bothers me the way that that
Incognitio is trying to, you know, like rehab his reputation
by again using Jonathan Martin in this particular situation. You know,

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it just it just bugs me. And and Incognito is
is you know, it's desperate for image repair and all
that kind of stuff. And that's that's what happens. You
have you ever gone through, uh, you know, a public scandal,
and you know I have, I know people that have,
But for me personally, like there is this desire to
go out there and try to rehab your image and
all that kind of stuff. And the reality is what

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you got to do is take accountability, you know, accept
accept those moments where you've done something, the negative parts
of yourself, the things that you've done, you know, and
and and and go from there. And you have to
you have to take accountability, accept responsibility and and just
do better, you know. And and so I think I

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think that's the thing that Incognito should be doing and
not not sitting here trying to whitewash, you know, what
it was that he did. Uh if somebody had spoken falsely,
that would be different. I mean I've also had that.
I had a situation where you know, people accused me
of all kinds of stuff that was blatantly untrue. All
those people got fired. I'm still working here, so you
know what's what with that. But you know, it would

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be different if if Martin had said that he left,
but he didn't like Martin told the truth. He's just
he's just reclaiming, you know, he's reclaiming his life at
this point, and you know, if that's what he needs
to do, that more power to him. You know, I hope,
I hope that that works out for him. I don't
want to belabor the point too much anymore. If you
guys missed a part of that, you can go back
and let's do it, or you know, get the podcast

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Broncos Country Night dot Com slash podcast. Coach of the
Year odds came out today. Big turnaround for the Pats
or Bears would reflect well on their first year coaches,
and it looks like people are placing early wagers on
those two coaches to win Coach of the Year. Patriots

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coach Mike Vrabel Bears coach Ben Johnson co favorites to
win Coach of the Year with identical plus seven to
fifty odds over at DraftKings right now. Next best odds
belonged to a pair of rivals that are back in
the same division talk about right here at the AFC
West Jim Harball and Pete Carroll both at plus twelve hundred.

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Jaguars coach Liam Cohen, Panthers coach Dave Canalis, and Broad
Coast coach Sean Pate Norll at plus fourteen hundred. Seahawks
coach Mike McDonald is tied with Dan Campbell plus two thousand,
Dan Quinn Zach Taylor plus twenty two hundred, and then
a whole host of people at plus twenty five hundred.
The longest odds are this past season's two Super Bowl coaches,

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Andy Reid and Nick Siriotti. Both are sitting at plus
eight thousand for Coach of the Year, which seems odd
to me, especially if they get them both back. There
shouldn't the most successful coach be uh be up there
for for Coach of the Year, But certainly interesting to
see those odds and and and the way people bet

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them or are betting them right now. Uh. Those odds
are over at Draft Kings, So if you uh, if
you have DraftKings accounts, you can you can look at
that and see if you want a lady money on
any of those uh I want to get into. Michael
Parson stuff said earlier this week that there's definitely a
plan in place for his uh his second contract. Historically,

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the Cowboys have dragged their feet and it costs some money.
They did with uh Dak Prescott twice. They did it
with See Lamb. They did a Secuil Elliott every single
time they do it. It Waiting never makes a contract cheaper. Ever,
Never in the history of ever has it ever made
a contract cheaper. It keeps a high cap number from
being reduced because nobody ever resets the market after you

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if you're like the last one to do it. So
the Cowboys have traditionally had a history of posing themselves there.
Last year, after owner Jerry Jones and toy Is leavowed
to be all in before he gas lit everybody by
changing the meaning of the term, the Cowboys waited too
long to sign Lamb and Prescott. Lamb missed a whole

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training camp in the preseason. Prescott counted for an absolutely
ridiculous fifty five point four to five million against the
cap until the first Sunday of the regular season, when
his sixty million dollars per deal dropped the burden by
eleven point seventy five million, money they could have used
to sign up the players. Parsons, who's entering his fifth
year option, will count for twenty one point three million
against the cap, and this coming season a new deal

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could reduce that number and give the Cowboys some flexibility
for free Agency's shouldn't wait, they're eventually going to do it.
Why not do it now? If the Cowboys are intent
on improving their roster, they will, or they can continue
to adhere to the previously misguided strategy of waiting till
the last minute and costing themselves more money. But if

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they're going to be a team that it plans on
getting this all done and you know, and doing it
in a way that it allows them to compete, you
want to get it done sooner than later before somebody
resets the market again and they're reactive to that. So
we'll see. There's some I think cautious optimism on Michael
Parson's part, but there's not been a lot of optimism

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around the league that Dallas would get that thing done
in a at a time that matter. One thing the
league did do that I thought was good. Running back
Joe Mixon has prevailed in his quest to get his
twenty five thousand dollars fine overturned. Hearing officer Chris Palmer,

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who's a former NFL coach overturn the twenty five thousand
dollars fine imposed on Joe Mixon for comments he made
after Houston's playoff loss to the Chiefs. Palmer is one
page decision needed today, said quote. During the appeal hearing,
you stated what you meant by your statements referring to
the officials. As you know, statements can be interpreted differently
by every individual. It seems like you clearly understood the

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weight and detriment of public criticism towards officials can be
given how impactful your platform as player is, which I appreciate.
Integrity of the game and its officials is the responsibility
of everyone involved in the NFL, and for reviewing the
totality of the evidence, I find that you did not
necessarily publicly criticize the officials accordingly. For the reason set forth,
the NFL will rescind the twenty five thousand dollars fine.

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Amount The league, which initially find Joe Mixon for something
he didn't say, came on came on social media from
Bengals receiver Former Bengals receiver, I should say, TJ. Hush Manzada.
Once the league realized that it had MisOr read the

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article that it got the comments from it refined mixing
or what he did say, which was far tamer than
what Hushmanzada had said. Hushmanzado said, why play the game
if every fifty to fifty call ghost to the chiefs?
These attritionals are trashed and biased mixing. And what he
actually said was everybody knows how it is playing up here,

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which he told the reporters after the game. You can
never leave it in the rest hands the whole world
see uh. And what he meant by that was if
you play your game, the refs can't make that decision
before you. You've you've you know, you've played the game properly,
and the whole world sees how the league you know,
over overreached. There it was looked like a frankly, a
clumsy effort to save face after initially messing up and

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concluding incorrectly that he had said something that he did
not actually say. Again was said by former Bengals receiver T. J. Hushmanzada,
and somebody just read the article the article badly and
uh and did that, which goes to show a lot
of things like who did not review original audio or
video of the comments? So that that I mean the

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NFL's process by which it levies some of these fines.
I don't know, it feels like that that's something that, uh,
that they need to review this offseason because if you're
just taking word for it in this particular case, is
SI dot com and s I dot com, which you
know was Sports Illustrated, is not Sports Illustrated anymore. It's

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a bunch of blogs that that it has nothing to
do with, you know it vaguely. It doesn't even have
any real journalism. Most of it is aggregation. The SI
dot Com is nothing like the Sports Illustrated that you
grew up with, where it had great writers and all
that kind of stuff. They don't. That's just not what
it is anymore. And so just real, you know, real

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black eye on the side of the league this year
for uh for for that and Chris Palmer got it
right and overturning Joe Mixon's fine. The Commanders have added
a member of the Madden family to their coaching staff.
Washington announced today that club has hired Jesse Madden, which

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would be John Madden's grandson, as an offensive quality control coach.
Madden joins the club following his graduation from Michigan, where
he played dB after switching over from playing quarterback his
freshman season. He was on the twenty twenty four team
that won the College Football National Championship Game. Additionally, Washington

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formally announced the club has hired Brian Schneider as assistant
special teams coordinator. That move had previously been reported earlier
this month. Schneider and Washington head coach Dan Quinn worked
alongside one another in Seattle in twenty ten and from
twenty thirteen to twenty fourteen, winning a Super Bowl as well.

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In a bit of Bronco's related news, the Seahawks announced
the hiring of two assistant coaches who'll be working to
improve their rushing attack. They are adding Rick Dennison as
their run game coordinator and senior offensive advisor, and the
report also confirmed that Justin Outen will be joining Mike

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McDonald's staff as the run game specialist and assistant offensive
line coach. Dennison, who has worked with the Kubiaks for
a long time, worked with offensive coordinator Clint Kubiak in
New Orleans last year and has also been a part
of the Vikings Jets Bills. Everybody knows the Broncos, Ravens,
and Texans over the last three decades. Otten spent the
last two seasons with the Titans, previously working with the

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Broncos in the Nate Hackett regime and was the interim
offensive coordinator after Hackett was ousted, also the Packers and
Falcons before that. The moves come after Seahawks GM John
Schneider said that the team has a plan to address
their deficiencies as offseason, and offensive line play is at

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the top of the list for the twenty twenty four season.
One of the hot topics around here in Denver has
been sort of the status of Cooper Cup. During Super
Bowl Week, Cup disclosed the Rams are trying to trade him.
Although trades can't become official until the new league year

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opens next month, tentative deals could be reached at any
time before then. In the two weeks since Cupp reveal
the Rams are trying, there hasn't been a single report
the Rams have found any interested parties. Cups twenty million
dollar compensation packs for twenty twenty fives is the probable
sticking point since this new team might not be willing
to make that investment, which means the Rams might have

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to pay some of the money, or Cup might have
to take less. Cupp's value will be driven by the
role that his next team envisions, so from Cup's perspective,
he doesn't believe he's fallen off. Instead, the Rams have
pivoted to Pukunakua as a team's number one receiver, another
team install Cooper Cup as the primary receiver. If so,
twenty million could be viewed as bargain. When Cup plays,

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he still performs at a relatively high level, but he's
missed eighteen games over the past three seasons due to injury,
and his production translates to a thousand yard seasons if
he'd been available for all seventeen games, But the durability
issues since his massive twenty twenty one season have been
a concern. He's due a seven and a half million

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dollars roster bonus on March fifteenth, five million of which
is fully guaranteed, but it has offset language. The decision
will be coming before the full seven and a half
is earned, with no potential reduction. Most likely, it all
comes down to whether a new team will take the
full twenty million, whether Rams will pay some of it

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in order to get a deal done. Or if the
Rams or new team expect him to take less and
he declines, and then an outright release becomes a potential option.
DraftKings has the odds the betting favorite as the Broncos
at plus four fifty, the Lions right behind them at
plus five fifty, and the Commanders and Patriots at six

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fifty each right after that. So the that's the four
teams that the betters betting public expects. I don't necessarily
think that that this should be a favorite here for Cup,
but you know, we'll see. You know, you're talking about

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a guy who's missed a third of the season every
year since his biggest year. The production has been in
decline and he costs a lot of money. That that
doesn't seem like a winning philosophy to me, but you know,
who knows. We'll see. We'll see if the Broncos getting
the mixed for that. The Saints hired Kellen Moore, they're

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going to be adding looks like Doug Nussmeyer as offensive coordator.
He wants to get closer to his son to play quarterback.
Lsu as sinstinta coach running backs Jamal Singleton was interviewed
as well on the defensive side, Christian Parker, the former Bronco.
Brandon Staley, also former Bronco, had been had been interviewed

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for those jobs. They are hiring TJ. Paganetti, who does
not yet have a title, but he was the run
game coordinator and assistant O line coach for for the Eagles.
He's been with the Eagles since twenty seventeen, served as
a quality control coach, assistant running backs, sistant tight ends,
and was an offensive analyst in twenty thirteen and fourteen.

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That was book handed by two runs on Oregon staff.
His brother had also worked for the Jacksonville Jaguars. He
had worked there with the Eagles with him as well,
and then went on to the Jaguars when Doug Peterson
went over there. Oh, the Saints are also hiring Scott Tolzen,
his quarterbacks coach. That was the one I wanted to
get to for the tho of you who remember Tolsene.

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He previously worked with Kellen Moore with Cowboys as a
coaching assistant from twenty twenty to twenty twenty two, when
More was the was the Dallas offensive coordinator. Tolsene was
the the Cowboys quarterbacks coach the last two seasons, while
Moore served as the coordinators the Chargers and the Eagles.
He entered the league in twenty eight twenty eleven, where

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he's undrafted out at Wisconsin and then spent time with
the Chargers, Niners, Packers, and Colts, appearing in ten games
four starts, completing sixty point three percent of his passes
for one thousand yards with two touchdowns and nine interceptions.
Before getting into coaching. Joel Thomas is headed back to

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New Orleans as well. He'd been with the Saints from
twenty fifteen to twenty twenty three as a running backs coach,
but departed to coach the Giants running backs his past year.
Now he's headed back to Louisiana next year. Let's see
we got time for this. Over the weekend, a fresh
wave of allegations of merger reguarding Ravens kicker Justin Tucker.

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The total number of individuals accusing of inappropriate behavior has
now reached sixteen. The Ravens issued a statement last month,
but since I've said nothing, the latest edition seven new accusers.
The Ravens potentially were hoping to wait until the start
of the league new year before parting ways with Tucker.
That approach would reduce the twenty twenty five dead money
charge from seven point five to two point eight seven

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two five million, pushing the remainder into twenty twenty six.
Nothing prevents the Ravens from announcing their intentions if they
planned to do that. The Jets did it, for instance,
last week, with quarterback Aaron Rodgers telling the world they'll
be moving on. The official transaction will occur when the
new league year begins for the twenty twenty five and
the cap charge falls from forty nine million to a

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mere fourteen million for Rogers. John Horwall's comments after the
NFL suspended Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson kind of come to
come to light on this and make the Ravens look
a bit hypocritical. On the one hand, the allegations have
been fully investigated, but on the other the list of

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accusers has reached sixteen, and even if the Ravens are
being prudent, they're sort of unnoticed here. The total numbers
too large to ignore pending the conclusion of the league's investigation,
and the silence for the news cycle is becoming conspicuous
at this point as well. We talked obviously about the

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Tucker situation. That was a story I was chasing back
Senior Bowl week right before it broke there on that Thursday.
So not surprised based on what I researched, and I
expect that number to get a little bit higher, the
number of accusers to get a little bit higher. It
could be four or five more based on what I
know on that, so we'll see. I believe the Ravens
will part ways with Tucker fairly right after the beginning

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