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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to Broncos Country. Tonight the post see you
edition of the show a little dismal post see you
edition of the show after the Buffs deliver a fairly
disappointing effort against Iowa State, but thankfully the Denver Broncos
give us a little something positive to talk about tonight.
(00:21):
I'm your fill in host, Zach Seegers for these next
twenty minutes before I hand it off to Benjamin Albright
at the top of the hour. Before then, though, before
we get to nine o'clock, let's talk about the big
news in Broncos Country today, which is Von Miller likely
being released by Bill's mafia, according to Buffalo News' Mark Gohen,
(00:45):
and him being available as an option for the Denver
Broncos this off season.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
For starters.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
It makes a lot of sense why Buffalo's moving on
from von Miller, and it's really not a talent problem.
Some of it is, but anything, he's costing him thirty
two million dollars next year, and although he's talented, he's
maybe not that talented, and they can save thirty million
of that by moving on from him. You know, if
you're trying to chase down the chiefs and you know,
keep serve with the Ravens in the AFC. A loaded
(01:14):
AFC thirty million dollars to further upgrade your roster is
incredibly valuable, and they can find better uses for that
thirty million than you know, and aging von Miller. They
also probably won't be able to trade him because whatever
team were to trade for Vaughn would have to absorb
that massive, massive, thirty million dollar capit, which again teams
(01:36):
probably just don't want to do at this point in
Vaughn's career. So that leaves you know, them cutting him,
von being on the open market and it's I think
only logical at that point to tie the Denver Broncos
to him as a possible landing spot. It's no secret
at all that von Miller is still a Denver Broncos fan.
He says it and seemingly every public interview appearance, and
(02:05):
that tight bond the two halfs still the Broncos in
vond That is leeds one to think they could reunite here,
especially because maybe Vaughan's willing to take a hometown discount
to come back to Denver again. He's actively said numerous
times that he is still a Broncos fan. He follows
their drafts, he follows their games. That seems like the
(02:26):
type of relationship if there ever was one where a
player might take a hometown discount to return, and again,
should be pretty appealing to the Broncos because there's still
a good bit left in the tank. If you look
at pass rush win rate, which is a great ESPN
Next Gen Stats metric, or pass rush productivity, which is
looking at past rush win rate, looking at how often
(02:48):
are you beating the offensive lineman blocking you?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Past rush productivity, how.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Often are you getting a sack or a pressure or
a quarterback hit. Von is top eight in both of
those metrics. The other guys that are top eight in
both those metrics among edges with at least one hundred
and twenty five snaps Aiden Hutchinson, Miles Garrett, Trey Hendrickson,
and Nick Bosa the SAC leader and three perennial All pros.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It is a lofty group to be a.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Part of, and that's because von Miller is still a
dang good pass rusher when he's allowed to be used
in a rotational role. There's reasons why he was so
good this year. You know, Miles Garrett was playing all
those snaps for the Cleveland Browns and still producing like that.
Miller had the benefit of not having to suit up
for that many snaps. He came into the season late
(03:42):
as a result of a suspension, and even once he
was back, the Bills, in an effort to keep him fresh,
really only used him as a designated pass rusher. And
that's kind of where the problems start to crop up
for the Denver Broncos in terms of adding von Miller.
They already have four or really talented edge players in
that room, two of which one of which already is expensive,
(04:05):
another one of which is about to become very expensive
with Nick Benito.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
The other big problem.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Three of those four pieces kind of fit that designated
pass rusher mold that von Miller would ideally slot into.
Jonah Ellis was drafted as a designated pass rusher. Nick Benito,
although he's becoming a better, more well rounded player, he
also was drafted as a designated pass rusher and is
one of the lighter edge players.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And we saw this be a problem for the Broncos
defense in the playoffs when the Bills.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Just ran all over them.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
You know, edge is probably on the bottom of the
Broncos needs list or close to it. But what they
need in that room is a little more bulk, a
little more physicality and ability to set the edge against
the run. Von Miller used to be a great run defender,
no doubt, but at this point in his career he's
not that. He's a designated pass rusher, and you know,
(05:01):
if he's going to go for ten million dollars, can
you afford to spend ten million dollars on that?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
When this team still.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Has a lot of upgrades they need to add to
the roster. Right the twenty twenty four Denver Bronco set
the franchise record for most sacks in a season. They're
going to have forty million dollars to play with this summer.
Does it make sense to you to spend a quarter
of that budget, And really it's even less than that,
because I think twelve million or so is going to
(05:28):
have to go to the rookie class, So really a
third of that budget they have to work with, does
it make sense to spend that on further upgrading the
pass rush? And don't get me wrong, the pass rush
would be better with vond than you know, Jonah Ellis
getting those snaps, But is it really worth that level
of investment, not only, you know, for because of what
(05:48):
you're paying him, but also because you'd be cutting off
some development opportunities for Ellis, for Tillman, and maybe even
for Nick Benito. You know, is that more value than
the sentimentality connected with von Miller? I'd argue that, yeah,
at this point in the Broncos build, it probably is.
Now if Vaughn's willing to really take a hometown discount,
(06:10):
do something like Brandon Graham did with the Eagles, a
one year, four million dollar deal, you'd have to bump
that up a bit for Vaughn, maybe six seven. I
think that could be very appealing, But it just has
to be for the right price, especially at this point
in Vaughn's career, because he's a big player, a dang
good one, but still just a bit player, and you know,
(06:31):
you need to compensate.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Him as such.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Another one, another big name veteran that I've heard connected
to the Broncos a lot, with the big pushback being
you know, maybe this guy cannibalizes. One of the young
talented players production is Deebo Samuel from the forty nine ers. Now,
I think Deebo Samuel would make a lot more sense
for the Denver Broncos than someone like von Miller would.
(06:59):
He's younger, I think he has more left in the
tank for one. Two, He's filling a much more obvious need.
The Broncos are so desperate for any type of dynamism
on offense. I don't care if it's that running back,
tight end, wide receiver. They need dynamism. Samuel still offers
that in spades, he's top ten, whether you want to
(07:19):
look at per target, per game, or just overall in
terms of yards after the catch over expectation, where next
gen Stats looks at.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
What router are you running.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You know, where are you catching the ball in stride,
how many defenders are around you, et cetera, et cetera,
to determine how many yards should you be getting after
that catch?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Even dealing with pneumonia as he.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Was for four weeks of last season, or rehabbing back
from it as he was playing that is, he's top
ten in all those metrics, along the side the Jamar.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Chases of the world.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
So I think that should be a very appealing option
for the Denver Broncos, where does Bo Nicks thrive. It
is the foundation of his game, hitting these receivers with
incredible accuracy in the short to intermediate area of the
field and letting them know create after the catch. That's
profile coming out of organ. It's still what he does
best in the pros. Even if his arm is stronger
than we thought and his legs are better than we thought,
(08:18):
that's his best strength as a quarterback. Deebo Samuel perfectly
plays to that in a way that really no one
else on this Bronca's rosters except Mims does.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So let's get to that big concern. Is Samuel going
to screw.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Up mims development? In part there's reason to be concerned there.
He's going to cannibalize some of Mims's touches. They both
are used a lot in that, you know, behind the
line of scrimmage or short intermediate area, you know, on
drags and whatnot. They also both have that kind of
(08:52):
running back wide receiver hybrid versatility. But Marvin Mims is
a four three five guy who weighs one hundred and
eighty five pounds. Deebo Samuel is a four or five
guy in terms of forty yard dashtime who weighs two
hundred and fifteen pounds.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
They are at the same hype.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
By the way, even if they're both listed to wide receivers,
even if they're both Z receivers who have some of
that running back ability, they're very very different players, and
Nims to get his workload, he'd have to develop some
of those different areas of his game, more specifically as
a vertical receiver, something that Samuel doesn't quite offer. But
(09:35):
I don't think that fear one they can coexist. Mims
is going to want to attack the boundary. He's going
to want to attack you with speed. Samuel's going to
want to attack you with physicality. He's going to want
to attack you between the hashes, and he can fill
some of that joker role. So even if there's some
overlap and some concern there, I don't think there's enough
(09:55):
to dissuade you from upgrading bo Nix's supporting cast. That's
really what this all comes down to. Yes, Mims is important,
is or sorry. Mims's development is important to this team's
future undeniably, So you know what's more important bo Nix's development.
So let's not sacrifices bo Nix's sacrifice bo Nix's potential
(10:17):
development by passing on some of these very talented receivers
in lieu of Mims's development, Let's sacrifice MIM's development. Ideally,
you know both are able to reach their potential, but
if you have to sacrifice one of those two players development,
it's gonna be Mimes. So I think Sami makes a
lot of sense there. Now, what would acquiring Samuel look like?
(10:42):
The nice bit here, It's probably not going to be
a trade. It would cost the forty nine ers nearly
sixteen million dollars to trade him, and they're not going
to get a good enough draft pick back to want
to spend sixteen million dollars to trade him. They can, however,
save five million, and again the only reason they're looking
to move Debo is to save money. They can save
five million by cutting him and doing a post June
(11:05):
first designation, same thing Broncos did with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
So that's probably the.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Route that this thing goes, Meaning Samuel will also be
on the open market, and you know, he probably isn't
going to be too expensive when you look at what
receivers go for. I think there's a very good chance
you can sign Deebo Samuel for less than twenty million
with really only one year of guarantees, and you can
(11:31):
have this scenario where, hey, if Deebo Samuel looks incredibly dynamic, great,
you know, well, let's keep building.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
On that, bring him back for next year.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
But if Deebo Samuel looks washed, it looks like he
is over the hill, you can back out. You know,
don't have guaranteed money into year two or year three,
So hey, if this gamble doesn't pay off, you can
just easily back out of that thing. If it does
pay off, it's kind of like a team option and
you get to keep this incredibly talented player. Well, thank
you everybody for joining me today on this edition of
(12:01):
Broncos Country. Tonight, after a really painful cu Bus basketball game,
we'll have Benjamin Albright taking over after the break at
the top of the hour talking about some big news
around the NFL. Until next time, everyone, eight fifty KOA.
Make sure you're staying tuned on eight fifty KOA eight
fifty A ninety four one f
Welcome back to Broncos Country. Tonight the post see you
edition of the show a little dismal post see you
edition of the show after the Buffs deliver a fairly
disappointing effort against Iowa State, but thankfully the Denver Broncos
give us a little something positive to talk about tonight.
(00:21):
I'm your fill in host, Zach Seegers for these next
twenty minutes before I hand it off to Benjamin Albright
at the top of the hour. Before then, though, before
we get to nine o'clock, let's talk about the big
news in Broncos Country today, which is Von Miller likely
being released by Bill's mafia, according to Buffalo News' Mark Gohen,
(00:45):
and him being available as an option for the Denver
Broncos this off season.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
For starters.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
It makes a lot of sense why Buffalo's moving on
from von Miller, and it's really not a talent problem.
Some of it is, but anything, he's costing him thirty
two million dollars next year, and although he's talented, he's
maybe not that talented, and they can save thirty million
of that by moving on from him. You know, if
you're trying to chase down the chiefs and you know,
keep serve with the Ravens in the AFC. A loaded
(01:14):
AFC thirty million dollars to further upgrade your roster is
incredibly valuable, and they can find better uses for that
thirty million than you know, and aging von Miller. They
also probably won't be able to trade him because whatever
team were to trade for Vaughn would have to absorb
that massive, massive, thirty million dollar capit, which again teams
(01:36):
probably just don't want to do at this point in
Vaughn's career. So that leaves you know, them cutting him,
von being on the open market and it's I think
only logical at that point to tie the Denver Broncos
to him as a possible landing spot. It's no secret
at all that von Miller is still a Denver Broncos fan.
He says it and seemingly every public interview appearance, and
(02:05):
that tight bond the two halfs still the Broncos in
vond That is leeds one to think they could reunite here,
especially because maybe Vaughan's willing to take a hometown discount
to come back to Denver again. He's actively said numerous
times that he is still a Broncos fan. He follows
their drafts, he follows their games. That seems like the
(02:26):
type of relationship if there ever was one where a
player might take a hometown discount to return, and again,
should be pretty appealing to the Broncos because there's still
a good bit left in the tank. If you look
at pass rush win rate, which is a great ESPN
Next Gen Stats metric, or pass rush productivity, which is
looking at past rush win rate, looking at how often
(02:48):
are you beating the offensive lineman blocking you?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Past rush productivity, how.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Often are you getting a sack or a pressure or
a quarterback hit. Von is top eight in both of
those metrics. The other guys that are top eight in
both those metrics among edges with at least one hundred
and twenty five snaps Aiden Hutchinson, Miles Garrett, Trey Hendrickson,
and Nick Bosa the SAC leader and three perennial All pros.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It is a lofty group to be a.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Part of, and that's because von Miller is still a
dang good pass rusher when he's allowed to be used
in a rotational role. There's reasons why he was so
good this year. You know, Miles Garrett was playing all
those snaps for the Cleveland Browns and still producing like that.
Miller had the benefit of not having to suit up
for that many snaps. He came into the season late
(03:42):
as a result of a suspension, and even once he
was back, the Bills, in an effort to keep him fresh,
really only used him as a designated pass rusher. And
that's kind of where the problems start to crop up
for the Denver Broncos in terms of adding von Miller.
They already have four or really talented edge players in
that room, two of which one of which already is expensive,
(04:05):
another one of which is about to become very expensive
with Nick Benito.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
The other big problem.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Three of those four pieces kind of fit that designated
pass rusher mold that von Miller would ideally slot into.
Jonah Ellis was drafted as a designated pass rusher. Nick Benito,
although he's becoming a better, more well rounded player, he
also was drafted as a designated pass rusher and is
one of the lighter edge players.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And we saw this be a problem for the Broncos
defense in the playoffs when the Bills.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Just ran all over them.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
You know, edge is probably on the bottom of the
Broncos needs list or close to it. But what they
need in that room is a little more bulk, a
little more physicality and ability to set the edge against
the run. Von Miller used to be a great run defender,
no doubt, but at this point in his career he's
not that. He's a designated pass rusher, and you know,
(05:01):
if he's going to go for ten million dollars, can
you afford to spend ten million dollars on that?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
When this team still.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Has a lot of upgrades they need to add to
the roster. Right the twenty twenty four Denver Bronco set
the franchise record for most sacks in a season. They're
going to have forty million dollars to play with this summer.
Does it make sense to you to spend a quarter
of that budget, And really it's even less than that,
because I think twelve million or so is going to
(05:28):
have to go to the rookie class, So really a
third of that budget they have to work with, does
it make sense to spend that on further upgrading the
pass rush? And don't get me wrong, the pass rush
would be better with vond than you know, Jonah Ellis
getting those snaps, But is it really worth that level
of investment, not only, you know, for because of what
(05:48):
you're paying him, but also because you'd be cutting off
some development opportunities for Ellis, for Tillman, and maybe even
for Nick Benito. You know, is that more value than
the sentimentality connected with von Miller? I'd argue that, yeah,
at this point in the Broncos build, it probably is.
Now if Vaughn's willing to really take a hometown discount,
(06:10):
do something like Brandon Graham did with the Eagles, a
one year, four million dollar deal, you'd have to bump
that up a bit for Vaughn, maybe six seven. I
think that could be very appealing, But it just has
to be for the right price, especially at this point
in Vaughn's career, because he's a big player, a dang
good one, but still just a bit player, and you know,
(06:31):
you need to compensate.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Him as such.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Another one, another big name veteran that I've heard connected
to the Broncos a lot, with the big pushback being
you know, maybe this guy cannibalizes. One of the young
talented players production is Deebo Samuel from the forty nine ers. Now,
I think Deebo Samuel would make a lot more sense
for the Denver Broncos than someone like von Miller would.
(06:59):
He's younger, I think he has more left in the
tank for one. Two, He's filling a much more obvious need.
The Broncos are so desperate for any type of dynamism
on offense. I don't care if it's that running back,
tight end, wide receiver. They need dynamism. Samuel still offers
that in spades, he's top ten, whether you want to
(07:19):
look at per target, per game, or just overall in
terms of yards after the catch over expectation, where next
gen Stats looks at.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
What router are you running.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You know, where are you catching the ball in stride,
how many defenders are around you, et cetera, et cetera,
to determine how many yards should you be getting after
that catch?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Even dealing with pneumonia as he.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Was for four weeks of last season, or rehabbing back
from it as he was playing that is, he's top
ten in all those metrics, along the side the Jamar.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Chases of the world.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
So I think that should be a very appealing option
for the Denver Broncos, where does Bo Nicks thrive. It
is the foundation of his game, hitting these receivers with
incredible accuracy in the short to intermediate area of the
field and letting them know create after the catch. That's
profile coming out of organ. It's still what he does
best in the pros. Even if his arm is stronger
than we thought and his legs are better than we thought,
(08:18):
that's his best strength as a quarterback. Deebo Samuel perfectly
plays to that in a way that really no one
else on this Bronca's rosters except Mims does.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So let's get to that big concern. Is Samuel going
to screw.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Up mims development? In part there's reason to be concerned there.
He's going to cannibalize some of Mims's touches. They both
are used a lot in that, you know, behind the
line of scrimmage or short intermediate area, you know, on
drags and whatnot. They also both have that kind of
(08:52):
running back wide receiver hybrid versatility. But Marvin Mims is
a four three five guy who weighs one hundred and
eighty five pounds. Deebo Samuel is a four or five
guy in terms of forty yard dashtime who weighs two
hundred and fifteen pounds.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
They are at the same hype.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
By the way, even if they're both listed to wide receivers,
even if they're both Z receivers who have some of
that running back ability, they're very very different players, and
Nims to get his workload, he'd have to develop some
of those different areas of his game, more specifically as
a vertical receiver, something that Samuel doesn't quite offer. But
(09:35):
I don't think that fear one they can coexist. Mims
is going to want to attack the boundary. He's going
to want to attack you with speed. Samuel's going to
want to attack you with physicality. He's going to want
to attack you between the hashes, and he can fill
some of that joker role. So even if there's some
overlap and some concern there, I don't think there's enough
(09:55):
to dissuade you from upgrading bo Nix's supporting cast. That's
really what this all comes down to. Yes, Mims is important,
is or sorry. Mims's development is important to this team's
future undeniably, So you know what's more important bo Nix's development.
So let's not sacrifices bo Nix's sacrifice bo Nix's potential
(10:17):
development by passing on some of these very talented receivers
in lieu of Mims's development, Let's sacrifice MIM's development. Ideally,
you know both are able to reach their potential, but
if you have to sacrifice one of those two players development,
it's gonna be Mimes. So I think Sami makes a
lot of sense there. Now, what would acquiring Samuel look like?
(10:42):
The nice bit here, It's probably not going to be
a trade. It would cost the forty nine ers nearly
sixteen million dollars to trade him, and they're not going
to get a good enough draft pick back to want
to spend sixteen million dollars to trade him. They can, however,
save five million, and again the only reason they're looking
to move Debo is to save money. They can save
five million by cutting him and doing a post June
(11:05):
first designation, same thing Broncos did with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
So that's probably the.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Route that this thing goes, Meaning Samuel will also be
on the open market, and you know, he probably isn't
going to be too expensive when you look at what
receivers go for. I think there's a very good chance
you can sign Deebo Samuel for less than twenty million
with really only one year of guarantees, and you can
(11:31):
have this scenario where, hey, if Deebo Samuel looks incredibly dynamic, great,
you know, well, let's keep building.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
On that, bring him back for next year.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
But if Deebo Samuel looks washed, it looks like he
is over the hill, you can back out. You know,
don't have guaranteed money into year two or year three,
So hey, if this gamble doesn't pay off, you can
just easily back out of that thing. If it does
pay off, it's kind of like a team option and
you get to keep this incredibly talented player. Well, thank
you everybody for joining me today on this edition of
(12:01):
Broncos Country. Tonight, after a really painful cu Bus basketball game,
we'll have Benjamin Albright taking over after the break at
the top of the hour talking about some big news
around the NFL. Until next time, everyone, eight fifty KOA.
Make sure you're staying tuned on eight fifty KOA eight
fifty A ninety four one f
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