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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
A couple of things for the text line from the
seven to two oh good stuff, Nick and Bree. I
feel like almost every position on the roster has playmakers,
maybe just tackling depth like insideline, backer and safety, but
most positions pretty set in fact, that aside from tight
end and running back, nothing but questions in both positions
they're crucial must have. So that listener is calling for,
(00:22):
you know, depth and in a little bit of sure
depth in free agency. Happy Friday to you, seven to
two to oh, and then we have another one both monument,
both monument texts are saying, hey, Nick, the problem with
a lot of the younger players is they want to
be big hitters and that does not necessarily translate to
a good tackler.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I absolute, fresolutely.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Now, a lot of these guys come come down here
and there's a technique that I don't know where they
got it from and whomever coasted with them. That's a problem,
and it's called block tackling. What that means is that
you come down here really fast, a lot of momentum,
and you just throw your body into a guy and you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Don't wrap up.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
That's a huge problem because you might be able to
get away with that on a high school level and
maybe on the college level. In a pros not so
much when you look at guys like a Sakuon Barkley,
where what three hundred and forty five carries last season
and as athletic, but how thick his lower body is.
(01:29):
When you hit running backs like that, they either take
that blow and absorb it or they may take two
steps back or a step to the right and then
kind of regaining spinning, keep moving forward. When you come downhill,
you need to wrap up. You need to throw your arms,
bring your legs, grab claw And what I would teach
guys is you do all that technique and you drive
(01:51):
for five And what that means is that you make contact,
grabed on for the dear life, and you run your
feet for five yards and you just hold on. The
convoy of guys come in and try to help out.
But it's it's it's crazy because the running back position
has been to value in this league for a while
and just to think that what Philadelphia was able to
(02:13):
do this past season, yeah, and how they were able
to do it, what Saquon Barkley, what's even crazier is
how we got there in the first.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Place, that is, And it sounds like you're setting up
something because we do have some audio here talking to
the head coach obviously, Giants owner John Mara, and Joe
Shane about a certain Super Bowl champion running back.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
That's the latest, still the same one thing.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I just got a text that Chicago's driving the price
up and Philly's out.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I don't know if that's true or not.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
I don't know if I'll make a couple of calls.
I don't even know if that's gonna gonna happen.
Speaker 7 (02:46):
But I have a tough time to sleep an f
sai quanders the philing the outside of that.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
As I've told you just being out, I have been
around enough players on.
Speaker 7 (02:58):
Mean so but he's the He's the most popular player
we have by far.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
What I don't understand about that conversation is John maher
is telling Joe Shane he is the most popular player
that we have currently on our roster. But Joe Shane
had other ideas as far as.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
What he wanted to do, and Mars said, I don't
believe I.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Can sleep if Saquon is with the Philadelphia Eagles, So
I wonder now, knowing what he knows now and watching Saquon,
like I guess on a version of breaking Eric Dickinson
record didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
He could have did it against the Giants.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
But I wonder how John Marr feels now and how
he's sleeping, knowing as though Saquon won a Super Bowl
with your division rival.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I guarantee neither have slept a week since, and if
they are, they're rattled with nightmares day in and day
out from a decision of such sorts. And I also
want to jump just directly into the additional audio that
we have with Joe Shane speaking directly to Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Takeawon, Jo, you do all right? You in Jersey right now? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
How's the off season? Benu been? You're doing anything good?
Look good?
Speaker 6 (04:22):
And travel a little good?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Trying to get back to yeah all right.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
So I just I just talked to Ed Barry, and
I think just rolling over this, the right thing to
do is let you test the market and see what
your value is. I don't want to do the franchise
thing or all that stuff again. I don't want to
go through that. We've we've both been through that. You know,
if if you really want to be a giant for
life and you're interested in staying here and coming back,
(04:51):
just see what your market is and then have ed come.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Back to us and we'll see if we can we
can come to an agreement. All right, I appreciate that.
Does that sound good? Can you give me your word
on that?
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Or you you're not gonna give us a chance?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
What do you mean? Yeah? Okay, all right, well let's
do that. We'll go out and see what the see
what the marcut says.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
So when you're sitting there and John Murray is telling
you that Quon is a very popular player, and then
there's a conversation about letting Saquon test the market to
see what his number is and then asking Saquon, okay,
when you figure that out, keep us in the mix
and give us an Opportunityon.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Is like, you already know what the number is.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And the reason why this audio and we're playing in it,
it's it's so important and he's just setting this up.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Is the fact that this was like in season hard knocks.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Now we usually see hard knocks in training camp, but
the NFL big brand that they are trying to find
way to kind of maximize their dollars, so they moved
to having kind of in season hard knocks. And this
audio that we're playing, this situation that played out between
the Giants Taquan and phil De Delphia Eagles, is one
(06:11):
of the reasons why in season hard knocks no one
wants to do that in an NFL anymore, so much
so that now they have to dig into the college
ranks to get Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And the Tar Hills to take part of in season
hard knocks.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
It feels like the famous last words of I'd have
a tough time sleeping. If Saquon goes to Philadelphia, just
go right on top of the Hard Knocks tombstone.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You just frame it.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
That is the ending point for your existence there in
the NFL. But listen, Nick, I'm not going to turn
out the opportunity to talk about Bill Belichick, the former
Patriots head coach.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Oh boy, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
In twenty four years as the Patriots head coach, I
never had the opportunity to be on Hard Knocks.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And now all of that's changing.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It's like the do you think Joe Shane knew that
he would have a rippling effect through all of this
and then a year later we'd be having this conversation.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I also don't think he thought that Saquon Barkley would
have a Super Bowl ring and Daniel Jones would not
be his quarterback. But don't worry. Aaron Rodgers is on
the way to save the day terrorizing the great state
of New York.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
So Aaron Rodgers is going to leave the Jets only
to try to.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Like go down the hole.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, just go down the street. He likes where he's at,
he likes this city.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I don't see how he does.
Speaker 8 (07:28):
Talked about this on k Sports and earlier in the week,
Ryan Edwards said that Aaron Rodgers has reached out to
the Giants himself.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
So he reached out to the giants.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That sounds like an Aaron Rodgers thing, like he made
his grocery list and then he's like, I got to
call the giants.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And that seems like something he would do.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Before or after the ayahuasca trip.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
After, because that's when the bright idea of like, you
know what I will do. I'm not going to leave
my home. I'm just going to go down the road
and keep it all in the family. And listen, you
can't save the giants from themselves.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
See, at first I was going to disagree with you
when you said that this was kind of an Aaron
Rodgers type of thing, but I thought about it right,
because this would be his way of trying to stick
it to the Jets, because Jets told them, you know what, man, Yeah,
we don't need you anymore.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Right, the honeymoon is over.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
What he thought you were bringing to the organization known
as gonna have a new GM and a head coach.
This is so down Aaron Rodgers lane of trying to
find a way to get back. Right, you stay in
New York and you just find a way to stick
it to the New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, I feel like that experiment is over right before
it even really got off the wheels. But it bags
the question on does Aaron Rodgers stick around even longer
or do you just kind of call it good and say,
I mean, he's going to be forty two in December,
it's it might be time to ride off.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Okay, sound on the jet.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Lie all right, let me enlighten you on how a
player's mentality works. Yeah, okay, So the fan base may
see us as players and see as at the epitome
of our career and watches as things start to kind
of start to go off the rails.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
For us, we don't see that.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
For us, we still.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Figures though, you know what, I can squeeze out another
year or two, right, I can squeeze out another year
two Because sometimes your mind and your body are not
on the same page.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Your body tells you, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
What, man, it's time to hang them up, but your
mind keeps telling you, man that you are competitive.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Let's give it another go.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
One more go right, the big college try. And then
also depending on how that previous season ended, it only
motivates you more to come back with the vengeance. And
this is how we've seen Aaron Rodgerson. At first I
did was that, well, maybe Matthew Stafford goes to the
Giants because his brother in law is on the coaching staff.
(09:56):
But now it seems as though the Rams and Matthew
Stafford might reach some kind of mutual agreement.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Well, the longer that dragged on, that kind of pointed
to that emphasis that Stafford was staying put because if
they could continue those conversations, I didn't think he was
going anywhere but then you have Montana Gate going on
with Tom Brady and Stafford running into each other allegedly,
So it just all felt like Stafford really wanted to
stay put and McVeigh was going to get that done.
But then it makes the question does Cooper Cups stay put?
(10:23):
And why do the Rams seem like a mini dumpster
fighter ready to start being engulfed in full flames if
they're having trouble retaining their quarterback and their topers.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Well, the reason being because basically they sold their soul.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
To the devil a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Remember when they got Bond, they got OBJ, they got
all these players saying, well, we're gonna push all our
chips to the center to table so we can win
a chip.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
They won a chip knowing.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
As though, I mean, let's need knew that, Hey, we're
going to be over the cap at some point, but
when we'll kick that can down the street and we'll
worry about it at that particular point.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
But Rick King do right.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Aaron Donnell retired, von Miller signed with the Buffalo Bills.
OBJ was still trying to find a way to stay
on the roster. So at the end of the day,
the Rams can say, well, we sold the farm and
we sold ourselves, sold to the devil where we got
a super Bowl out of it. And that's another question
when it comes to team, how far are you willing
(11:20):
to go? I know how far fans are, Yeah right, fans,
ay man, they're so that next kent.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
But how far are you willing to go as a team.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
If you knew that that year you would win a title,
what would you be willing to sell?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I don't know, possibly paying your running back instead of
a quarterback that would no longer be on your roster
in the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I know you can't predict the future.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Just wasn't looking at Daniel Jones thinking that he was
a long standing franchise quarterback. And maybe it goes to
what you mentioned earlier in the running back position being
kind of cast aside.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
There for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Now it's coming back with a vengeance, and I think
teams are now figuring out it's an important to their
offense and explosiveness, explosiveness and what have you. It just
seems it just seems an interesting conversation of what are
you willing to do? And maybe being I'm shocked Joe
Shane has as a job.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I am very shocked and listen, I don't advocate for
anyone to get fired, No, I don't, but it is
surprising because John Morris said, Saquan is our most popular player.
And when you look at Daniel Jones and Saquon, what
Joe Shane felled into is that that typical narrative that's
in the NFL that the running backs have no value, right,
(12:36):
and Quon isn't your average running back.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
He proved that this year. Joe Shane and the.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Giants should have realized that after he came back off
of injury and he still showed that he still had
bursts and he was productive. But it was that old
frame of thinking, that very archaic frame of mind.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Got to pay the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
They paid the quarterback, only to watch him in end
up leaving and going to the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, there's Zach conundrum, and then there's the maybe a
certain draft pick could have saved him.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Uh, Joe Shane.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
That's what he's thinking now, and that's what he's going
to have to do this year. The Giants are going
to have to be more importantly over five hundred to
save his job this year. The Giants have to win
at least ten or eleven games, and they actually have
to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Well, maybe maybe Joe Shane should listen to a little
bit of outside interference there, Maybe listen to some people
who are in his ear. If it's not going to
be John Marra, at least maybe it's possibly a son.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Carson, let me write down. You agree, who do you
want me to take? Give me a name, j j.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Vil Krusby and Daniels.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Sure, hight up and get him one. Okay, If Jane
Daniels only.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Get this job once, all right, je Daniels, Carson wants
Shane Dawes.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
If he's not there, who's your second?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
He's not going to be there, Jake may or Marvin
Harrison on the leak gamers, I mean, you can't mess them.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You can't mess up here. You only get this opportunity once.
Nick would have had have changed his conversation.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I don't know if it would have.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
But his son did mention Elik Neighbors, and the Giants
did draft Melik Neighbors. So I guess I give Joe
Shaying a little credit, but I can't give him that
much credit because that came from his son voicing that.
But this was a great thing about having that kind
of hard knocks, like that kind of off.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Season, end season hard knocks.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
We got a chance to see how the sausage is made.
And so many owners and gms have seen that. Yeah,
so much so they don't want to see it again.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
No, no longer it again.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
No longer eating hot dogs, that's for sure, maybe not
necessarily going vegetarian, but they'll deal with the come up
in slater and I think.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That's apropos Well.
Speaker 8 (14:54):
We even got to look at their draft board in
that series, which I thought was absolutely insane to show
other teams around the league what you are thinking, even
if that's after the draft that year. But they see
how you rank players and how they have people on
their board, and how that compares. I can see why
no other team wants to touch this series at all.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, it feels almost like it's too exposing, it's too revealing.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
And I know well enough to know about the NFL culture,
the business side of it. Everyone wants to keep all
their information close to their vests and they don't want
to feel as though that it's kind of leaking out
and someone else is going to be able to get
the colonel's recipe.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Say yes that colonels.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Twenty five urgent spices, Yes, exactly. I don't know how
many there are. No, that sounds like a lot there, twelve,
I don't know. I don't need KFC.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I don't need I used to it.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, it was. You don't put like anything bad in
your body.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I wouldn't really ease.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Apple juice has a little bit of sugar, yes, spatural.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Anyways, I do like sweets, though, so we'll.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Ask your favorite sweets when we come back.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I'm sure I can actually pick those.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
But we're talking about, you know, super Bowl winning champion Eagles,
But what about the runners up? Brett Veach offers a
nice little reach on why he thinks to the Kansas
City Chiefs weren't able to pull it off. That's here
next on Broncos Country Night KA eight fifty AM ninety
four one FM. Thanks for being a tremendous co host
slash producer and you're amazing.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Well, you're amazing as well, and thank you for the
kind words.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Of course, I like to do that on and off
the air because I like to make you squirm.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
So you're welcome laughing back there.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
On the break, we were talking about uh x men,
some Marvel, some DC comics, and Nick I just wanted
to point out. It took me three hours, but I
finally realized my chair was too high, and I'll lower it.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Down so I can.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I've been leaning over the microphone all evening and I
just realized it was making my back hurt, so I
had to lower the I'm now that age.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Well, that's because Ben wants to be higher than everyone
else in a position of power, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So that all is making so much sense.
Speaker 8 (17:04):
The dark light, the position of power, with the high seat,
it's all coming together, brooding in the corner.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
It seemed like it's an episode of Secession. The Good Show.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Good Show.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Are you guys watching anything right now?
Speaker 8 (17:18):
Well, first off, I love Succession, A great show, amazing.
I was telling Ben this the other night after our
conversation with you movie must see movie A Real Pain
with Jesse Eisenberg, and also in Succession, you did watch it.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I did watch it. I watched it the day after
we talked about it. You cry, you know it did.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
But I found it initially and I want a caveat
this that as soon as it was done, I was like, wow,
I think it could have done more, you know, And
I was just sort of like trying to figure out
why I was feeling this way for twenty four hours
after the fact.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It haunted me, like you know, it's a good movie, yes, And.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So I wanted to point that out that Initially I
was like, oh, well, I thought you were going to
give me more here, and I'm like, no, you did,
you did, and you worked your way into my brain.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I got a warm there.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I mean haunted you.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I mean that it's a big feat.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
It is because knowing you and now finding out more
about your darkest side.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
How did it haunt you? Uh?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
It made me think about certain things and emotions that
were coming to the surface that maybe were more auspicious
and inevitably thinking it was shallow, and then spending hours
like driving to work and kind of sitting alone by
myself and thinking, why is it making you feel this way?
And it was like this rooted hole inside of me.
(18:41):
And I'm trying to explain it the best way that
I can, which usually means that I just start putting
feelers out into the ether and running around in circles.
But it left me feeling like I wanted something more,
but also it was hurting a little bit from and
I just don't want to give anything really away from
the movie itself, because you go in thinking you're going
to see something much different, and what it gave you
(19:02):
was kind of this dull ache of the notion of
maybe some mental health things.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Well see the fact of the title being called a
real pain and listen to both of you guys trying
to discreetly discuss it and talk about it without giving
the details. It seemed like this one of these types
of movies that I don't know, let me take a
shot at you know, someone might try or something like that.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Is it one of those It is not your typical
SOB story. I'll just say that.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
And I didn't shed a tear during and I think
that's why I was also like, man, I was ready,
I was prepared, but I think after words was kind
of the after effect for me. So I don't know
if you got if you give it a try, you
give it a try, and maybe it won't make you
cry because you don't cry at anything.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You're dead inside.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
In touch with those emotions. Yeah, just girlfriend, So.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Let's man, okay really quickly.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
So my emotions that have come up a lot ex
girlfriends on the show. Even my teammates when I play
right ask the question like do I mean you need
a hug or something, and I'm like, no, I'm perfectly fine.
I've kind of dealt with it on my own and
that I've learned how to process it.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Right, you just flip a Gator eight table and every
now and again.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
You know you got to unleash that negative energy. But
the whole.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Idea is knowing how control rage, being able to kind of,
you know, pull it back in. But for me, like
if I'm watching something, I think the last thing I saw,
I think it was a Silo, which if you have
not seen on Apple TV, it's an extraordinary show. It
kind of it pulls out your heartstrings in different type
(20:53):
of ways because it's about characters and can characters be
trusted in the isolated environment when everyone is depending on
everyone else for survival. So yeah, it's it's kind of
setting almost in the post apocalyptic type of error. And
there's no zombies. They're no zombie, but it is definitely
(21:18):
one of them. Now, my wife is watching one call.
I think it's Severance. I haven't really got into that.
Speaker 8 (21:25):
I've seen the first season. I haven't seen the second
season because we lost Apple TV after our free year subscription,
so I'm going.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
To light it under the glass. I got you covered that.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
But I'm really watching Veep, which is one of the
best shows of all time if you've never seen it.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Julia Elite, Juliet what's.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Her name for?
Speaker 8 (21:46):
Yes, she is the vice president, and it is one
of the most hilarious shows I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I heard.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
It's very accurate too, to the political standpoint of a.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Lot of especially this day and age.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
A parody upon itself. I'm watching Yellow Jackets.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Well I should say we were watching Yellow Jackets, but
we powered through all of it in a very short
period of time, so I'm waiting for episodes to release.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
I haven't seen that either, but my wife has washed
it and said it's one of our favorite shows.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I didn't know what to expect, and I wasn't sure
I was going to like it, and then I could
not stop. So that one's creepy though, that'll give you
a little bit of a nightmare.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
But is it kind of like the female version of
Lord of Flies.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Uh, interesting, I've never seen the episode that out.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Of your hat?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Did you just make that up? You had no idea?
Speaker 6 (22:32):
That no idea.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I mean I've seen trailers.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Oh okay.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
It just showed the you know, women and kind of
like strange types of scenarios.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, right, in flashbacks. But I wasn't goin.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I've never watched, but I thought like, could this be
I'm not sure because they didn't give a lot of details.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, all girls soccer team, they crash and then chaos
and teos. It's it's great to Meli Lord of Flies.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I'm so proud of you for pulling that out. You know,
we were talking about movies that make us cry, TV
shows that were watching you know what doesn't make me cry?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Though?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Next, what's that in Kansas City? Cheers not winning the
Super Bowl? And I we talked about it.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You know, Brett Veach was offering a little bit of
maybe a reason why Travis Kelce about als was just
unable to, I want to say, perform four receptions in
the Super Bowl. He dropped a couple of other ones.
Are you buying it or do you think that's just.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Fodder.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
To me, that's a bunch of fluff.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Oh, I mean just saying, okay, well, Travis Kelcey was
ill of some sort.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I'm like, yeah, he was.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
He was sick, but not sick being good, but sick
being bad dropping passes, not to really helping his team
out and more poorly not blocking efficiently to help his quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
So there was an illness that Travis Kelcey suffered from,
But I.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Don't think it was one of the those where it.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Was he was really sick, because the way I think
about a break, if Travis Kelcey was suffering any kind
of body illness, what we have heard about it long
before now, not at the combine, don't you think.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I mean, it's been a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
It's an interesting concept to think that you wouldn't speak
up about that sooner. It had to be something pretty
embarrassing to keep that under wraps. I would think you
would want to speak to it, especially since he's in
the public eye as much as he is. He's got
his own podcast. He could have mentioned that he was
filling ill.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I mean, you can see it in the body language.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
And I feel like all of this is sort of
being used to wipe it under the or swipe it
under the rug that he.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Didn't look like he had a whole lot of effort
out there.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
But it wasn't just Travis Kelcey who failed to play
at the top of their level. It was mostly the
Kansas City Chiefs. They failed to get a lot done.
That score tends to paint a little bit of a
different picture there, trying to make it seem as though
it was competitive, but for Travis Kelcey, and he's not
putting that story out directly. It's just interesting that management
is deciding to put that story out, Like.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I don't get it twisted.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
But Travis Kelsey wasn't the reason that the Kansas City
Chiefs didn't win that game.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
No, But it reminds me of remember the Broncos had
not beaten Kansas City in a while, and then all
of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
It beat Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
And then what came out later in the wash, Oh, well,
Patrick Mahomes was suffering from an ilian illness, and it
was like, wait, come on, man, come on, if you're
going to play, play right. If you're not gonna play,
don't play well. Once you lace them up and you
get your behind out on the field. Then hey, listen,
you've already agreed to deal with whatever the situation that
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you may feel as though you were dealing with, if
in fact it was an actual illness. So for me,
I think that this was kind of a far French
reach unless they come up with some other evidence to
prove me wrong. But it's like, you lost, let's not
make any excuses. And maybe that was kind of the
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setup because this happened early in the week when Brett
Veach was at the Combine and now we know later
on in the week that Travis Kelce plans on coming back.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, today we found that out that he confirmed to
Pat McAfee that he doesn't like.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
The way that the season ended.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I mean, who would we just you just talked about it. Right.
If your body's not telling you, and your mind's not telling,
your heart's not telling you that it's time to exit,
then how could you?
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But we've been speculating about Travis Kelce's departure from the
league for at least two seasons now, thinking that he
continues to have down years.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
This one stands out though.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Across the entirety of this season, only a handful of
touchdowns for Travis Kelce. So coming back in the league,
you're just you're wondering if.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Does he still have it? Does he still have that spark?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
No, he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I mean you didn't have the spark for the past
two years. The only spark that created a lot of
this fanfare and uproar for Travis Kelce was his relationship.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Whatever you want to call it, with Taylor Swift.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
That's where a lot of the energy started to elevate
once again. And I'm not saying that Travis Kelce whenever
he laces him up, he's not going to be a
Hall of Fame tight end. Yes, he's the main target
for Patrick Mahomes, but he wasn't excelling in my opinion,
the way that we've seen it before as far as
the level of speed. But this is the thing that
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happens to a lot of players as you play on
and you play deep into the playoffs. And for Kansas City,
I mean, look, they played deep into the playoffs, they
played in Super Bowl, so that means that their off
season isn't as long as other teams. So that's going
to have a profound effect on players. And you could
definitely see over the time that Travis Kelcey's.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Played in this league.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I mean his speed, his ability to be elusive out
in the field is now diminished. And this is why
you see the plays that they use. What Travis kelce
is like, well, you run and it's almost like Wes Welker.
When Wes Welker played with Tom Brady, he was in
a very fast guy in the slot. You just go
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where the defender is he outside, you go inside, he's inside,
you go outside. If he's running backwards, you run and
you stop. If he's standing right there five yards, you
keep going. So that's the type of offense that you
see with Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes more of.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
An option, righte.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
That's why I would drive me crazy when I would
constantly hear so many experts and then commentators say, well,
there's no way to cover Travis Kelcey. Yes, or it
is put your hands on him, choke him out rights,
just just go ahead line of scrim as soon as
they snapped the ball, just just just choke it.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Just control.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I mean, Kelsey was among the It was fifth among
tight ends in twenty twenty four with eight hundred and
twenty three receiving yards, but that's the lowest since his
sophomore season in twenty fourteen. So I feel like eventually
that conversation at heart to heart where Travis Kelsey sits
down with Travis Kelcey and he makes that decision. I
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honestly thought it would be this season simply because of
the production output and efficiency and all the signs are there.
But you know, upon reflection through the conversations that we've
had this evening, maybe he just doesn't know that it's time,
and maybe he does still have a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
That spark left in him.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
And you know, being such a weapon for Kansas City,
for Andy Reid, for Patrick Mahomes, I mean, there's countless
opportunities in which he's just wide open in the field.
Do you feel like defenses are figuring that out now?
Though that it's been a one trick pony for Kansas
City with the Patrick Mahomes and Kelsey connection, that if
he's not blatantly opened, that it's kind of going to
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fail when it comes down the long stretch of things.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Yeah, based on what Vic Fangio showed us in the
Super Bowl about how he only rushed for people are
starting to figure it out. But with that being said,
I give Brett Beach a lot of credit being the GM.
When something doesn't go right for Kansas City, they figure
out a way. But even from a contractional standpoint, they
have guys who may be on expiring deals, they may
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be a little over the cap, they find a way
to squeeze everything out of that lemon and they're able
to put a roster on the field that's going to
be competitive.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
But you know, there was something else that happened this week.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
That I definitely wanted to get your opinion on, Like
the NFLPA did the whole thing about, you know, surveying
the players and seeing what teams were better than others
as far as you know, taking care of.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
The families, the food, the weight room, owner.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Head coach, and you know Grant's Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah, their
grades were were totally bad. But I'll give me your
thoughts on what you thought about the Broncos overall grades
from a team standpoint.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well, that's an interesting I keep forgetting that Grant is
a Bengals fan, notoriously cheap over there in Cincinnati. I
hope they're able to get some things done for your sake.
But aside that fact, I was kind of shocked that.
And I want to ask a question, Grant, do you
happen to know or Nick maybe you would considering you
have been back there before. Why was the locker room
and F and F it was just bad? They're outdated
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first and foremost, right.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Okay, Well, so that this was very easy, easy fix.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
The reason being.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Is because I mean, the locker room is so much better.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Than it was when I played.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Yeah, but you have lockers kind of right next to
one another, and you have those lockers kind of right
in the middle, and players don't feel as though they
have enough space.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
I don't know how a space you need, but I
guess some players feel as though they don't have enough space.
But as soon as the players marked that F down.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
You got to think it is already changing. The dye
has already been cast. There's a new facility being built.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
If you drive by with the team story is, you
will see a new facility being built. So to me,
I think this was just a speed bump, a little
blip on the radar, because things are going to change.
And watch the Broncos gave Chean Payton to b they
gave their owners an A, so that just tells you that
that F wasn't really an F.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
It sticks out glaringly so. But you're right, it's going
to change. You have the richest owners in sports. I'm
in football for the Denver Broncos there with the Walton
Penner group. I think we're seeing those changes, and I'm
glad that you pointed out the valley is going to
look a lot different in the time moving forward. But honestly,
it's all up from here and I'm excited to see
where the Broncos go.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
This is Broncos Country Tonight.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
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Speaker 7 (32:53):
I have a tough time to sleep. Then for said
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Speaker 3 (32:58):
Talk you about control rate, just and throw a loots
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
A couple of things for the text line from the
seven to two oh good stuff, Nick and Bree. I
feel like almost every position on the roster has playmakers,
maybe just tackling depth like insideline, backer and safety, but
most positions pretty set in fact, that aside from tight
end and running back, nothing but questions in both positions
they're crucial must have. So that listener is calling for,
(00:22):
you know, depth and in a little bit of sure
depth in free agency. Happy Friday to you, seven to
two to oh, and then we have another one both monument,
both monument texts are saying, hey, Nick, the problem with
a lot of the younger players is they want to
be big hitters and that does not necessarily translate to
a good tackler.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I absolute, fresolutely.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Now, a lot of these guys come come down here
and there's a technique that I don't know where they
got it from and whomever coasted with them. That's a problem,
and it's called block tackling. What that means is that
you come down here really fast, a lot of momentum,
and you just throw your body into a guy and you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Don't wrap up.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
That's a huge problem because you might be able to
get away with that on a high school level and
maybe on the college level. In a pros not so
much when you look at guys like a Sakuon Barkley,
where what three hundred and forty five carries last season
and as athletic, but how thick his lower body is.
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When you hit running backs like that, they either take
that blow and absorb it or they may take two
steps back or a step to the right and then
kind of regaining spinning, keep moving forward. When you come downhill,
you need to wrap up. You need to throw your arms,
bring your legs, grab claw And what I would teach
guys is you do all that technique and you drive
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for five And what that means is that you make contact,
grabed on for the dear life, and you run your
feet for five yards and you just hold on. The
convoy of guys come in and try to help out.
But it's it's it's crazy because the running back position
has been to value in this league for a while
and just to think that what Philadelphia was able to
(02:13):
do this past season, yeah, and how they were able
to do it, what Saquon Barkley, what's even crazier is
how we got there in the first.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Place, that is, And it sounds like you're setting up
something because we do have some audio here talking to
the head coach obviously, Giants owner John Mara, and Joe
Shane about a certain Super Bowl champion running back.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
That's the latest, still the same one thing.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I just got a text that Chicago's driving the price
up and Philly's out.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I don't know if that's true or not.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
I don't know if I'll make a couple of calls.
I don't even know if that's gonna gonna happen.
Speaker 7 (02:46):
But I have a tough time to sleep an f
sai quanders the philing the outside of that.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
As I've told you just being out, I have been
around enough players on.
Speaker 7 (02:58):
Mean so but he's the He's the most popular player
we have by far.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
What I don't understand about that conversation is John maher
is telling Joe Shane he is the most popular player
that we have currently on our roster. But Joe Shane
had other ideas as far as.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
What he wanted to do, and Mars said, I don't
believe I.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Can sleep if Saquon is with the Philadelphia Eagles, So
I wonder now, knowing what he knows now and watching Saquon,
like I guess on a version of breaking Eric Dickinson
record didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
He could have did it against the Giants.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
But I wonder how John Marr feels now and how
he's sleeping, knowing as though Saquon won a Super Bowl
with your division rival.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I guarantee neither have slept a week since, and if
they are, they're rattled with nightmares day in and day
out from a decision of such sorts. And I also
want to jump just directly into the additional audio that
we have with Joe Shane speaking directly to Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Takeawon, Jo, you do all right? You in Jersey right now? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
How's the off season? Benu been? You're doing anything good?
Look good?
Speaker 6 (04:22):
And travel a little good?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Trying to get back to yeah all right.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
So I just I just talked to Ed Barry, and
I think just rolling over this, the right thing to
do is let you test the market and see what
your value is. I don't want to do the franchise
thing or all that stuff again. I don't want to
go through that. We've we've both been through that. You know,
if if you really want to be a giant for
life and you're interested in staying here and coming back,
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just see what your market is and then have ed come.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Back to us and we'll see if we can we
can come to an agreement. All right, I appreciate that.
Does that sound good? Can you give me your word
on that?
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Or you you're not gonna give us a chance?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
What do you mean? Yeah? Okay, all right, well let's
do that. We'll go out and see what the see
what the marcut says.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
So when you're sitting there and John Murray is telling
you that Quon is a very popular player, and then
there's a conversation about letting Saquon test the market to
see what his number is and then asking Saquon, okay,
when you figure that out, keep us in the mix
and give us an Opportunityon.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Is like, you already know what the number is.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And the reason why this audio and we're playing in it,
it's it's so important and he's just setting this up.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Is the fact that this was like in season hard knocks.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Now we usually see hard knocks in training camp, but
the NFL big brand that they are trying to find
way to kind of maximize their dollars, so they moved
to having kind of in season hard knocks. And this
audio that we're playing, this situation that played out between
the Giants Taquan and phil De Delphia Eagles, is one
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of the reasons why in season hard knocks no one
wants to do that in an NFL anymore, so much
so that now they have to dig into the college
ranks to get Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And the Tar Hills to take part of in season
hard knocks.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
It feels like the famous last words of I'd have
a tough time sleeping. If Saquon goes to Philadelphia, just
go right on top of the Hard Knocks tombstone.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You just frame it.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
That is the ending point for your existence there in
the NFL. But listen, Nick, I'm not going to turn
out the opportunity to talk about Bill Belichick, the former
Patriots head coach.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Oh boy, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
In twenty four years as the Patriots head coach, I
never had the opportunity to be on Hard Knocks.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And now all of that's changing.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It's like the do you think Joe Shane knew that
he would have a rippling effect through all of this
and then a year later we'd be having this conversation.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I also don't think he thought that Saquon Barkley would
have a Super Bowl ring and Daniel Jones would not
be his quarterback. But don't worry. Aaron Rodgers is on
the way to save the day terrorizing the great state
of New York.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
So Aaron Rodgers is going to leave the Jets only
to try to.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Like go down the hole.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, just go down the street. He likes where he's at,
he likes this city.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I don't see how he does.
Speaker 8 (07:28):
Talked about this on k Sports and earlier in the week,
Ryan Edwards said that Aaron Rodgers has reached out to
the Giants himself.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
So he reached out to the giants.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That sounds like an Aaron Rodgers thing, like he made
his grocery list and then he's like, I got to
call the giants.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And that seems like something he would do.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Before or after the ayahuasca trip.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
After, because that's when the bright idea of like, you
know what I will do. I'm not going to leave
my home. I'm just going to go down the road
and keep it all in the family. And listen, you
can't save the giants from themselves.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
See, at first I was going to disagree with you
when you said that this was kind of an Aaron
Rodgers type of thing, but I thought about it right,
because this would be his way of trying to stick
it to the Jets, because Jets told them, you know what, man, Yeah,
we don't need you anymore.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Right, the honeymoon is over.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
What he thought you were bringing to the organization known
as gonna have a new GM and a head coach.
This is so down Aaron Rodgers lane of trying to
find a way to get back. Right, you stay in
New York and you just find a way to stick
it to the New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, I feel like that experiment is over right before
it even really got off the wheels. But it bags
the question on does Aaron Rodgers stick around even longer
or do you just kind of call it good and say,
I mean, he's going to be forty two in December,
it's it might be time to ride off.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Okay, sound on the jet.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Lie all right, let me enlighten you on how a
player's mentality works. Yeah, okay, So the fan base may
see us as players and see as at the epitome
of our career and watches as things start to kind
of start to go off the rails.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
For us, we don't see that.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
For us, we still.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Figures though, you know what, I can squeeze out another
year or two, right, I can squeeze out another year
two Because sometimes your mind and your body are not
on the same page.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Your body tells you, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
What, man, it's time to hang them up, but your
mind keeps telling you, man that you are competitive.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Let's give it another go.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
One more go right, the big college try. And then
also depending on how that previous season ended, it only
motivates you more to come back with the vengeance. And
this is how we've seen Aaron Rodgerson. At first I
did was that, well, maybe Matthew Stafford goes to the
Giants because his brother in law is on the coaching staff.
(09:56):
But now it seems as though the Rams and Matthew
Stafford might reach some kind of mutual agreement.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Well, the longer that dragged on, that kind of pointed
to that emphasis that Stafford was staying put because if
they could continue those conversations, I didn't think he was
going anywhere but then you have Montana Gate going on
with Tom Brady and Stafford running into each other allegedly,
So it just all felt like Stafford really wanted to
stay put and McVeigh was going to get that done.
But then it makes the question does Cooper Cups stay put?
(10:23):
And why do the Rams seem like a mini dumpster
fighter ready to start being engulfed in full flames if
they're having trouble retaining their quarterback and their topers.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Well, the reason being because basically they sold their soul.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
To the devil a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Remember when they got Bond, they got OBJ, they got
all these players saying, well, we're gonna push all our
chips to the center to table so we can win
a chip.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
They won a chip knowing.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
As though, I mean, let's need knew that, Hey, we're
going to be over the cap at some point, but
when we'll kick that can down the street and we'll
worry about it at that particular point.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
But Rick King do right.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Aaron Donnell retired, von Miller signed with the Buffalo Bills.
OBJ was still trying to find a way to stay
on the roster. So at the end of the day,
the Rams can say, well, we sold the farm and
we sold ourselves, sold to the devil where we got
a super Bowl out of it. And that's another question
when it comes to team, how far are you willing
(11:20):
to go? I know how far fans are, Yeah right, fans,
ay man, they're so that next kent.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
But how far are you willing to go as a team.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
If you knew that that year you would win a title,
what would you be willing to sell?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I don't know, possibly paying your running back instead of
a quarterback that would no longer be on your roster
in the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I know you can't predict the future.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Just wasn't looking at Daniel Jones thinking that he was
a long standing franchise quarterback. And maybe it goes to
what you mentioned earlier in the running back position being
kind of cast aside.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
There for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Now it's coming back with a vengeance, and I think
teams are now figuring out it's an important to their
offense and explosiveness, explosiveness and what have you. It just
seems it just seems an interesting conversation of what are
you willing to do? And maybe being I'm shocked Joe
Shane has as a job.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I am very shocked and listen, I don't advocate for
anyone to get fired, No, I don't, but it is
surprising because John Morris said, Saquan is our most popular player.
And when you look at Daniel Jones and Saquon, what
Joe Shane felled into is that that typical narrative that's
in the NFL that the running backs have no value, right,
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and Quon isn't your average running back.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
He proved that this year. Joe Shane and the.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Giants should have realized that after he came back off
of injury and he still showed that he still had
bursts and he was productive. But it was that old
frame of thinking, that very archaic frame of mind.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Got to pay the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
They paid the quarterback, only to watch him in end
up leaving and going to the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, there's Zach conundrum, and then there's the maybe a
certain draft pick could have saved him.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Uh, Joe Shane.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
That's what he's thinking now, and that's what he's going
to have to do this year. The Giants are going
to have to be more importantly over five hundred to
save his job this year. The Giants have to win
at least ten or eleven games, and they actually have
to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Well, maybe maybe Joe Shane should listen to a little
bit of outside interference there, Maybe listen to some people
who are in his ear. If it's not going to
be John Marra, at least maybe it's possibly a son.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Carson, let me write down. You agree, who do you
want me to take? Give me a name, j j.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Vil Krusby and Daniels.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Sure, hight up and get him one. Okay, If Jane
Daniels only.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Get this job once, all right, je Daniels, Carson wants
Shane Dawes.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
If he's not there, who's your second?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
He's not going to be there, Jake may or Marvin
Harrison on the leak gamers, I mean, you can't mess them.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You can't mess up here. You only get this opportunity once.
Nick would have had have changed his conversation.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I don't know if it would have.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
But his son did mention Elik Neighbors, and the Giants
did draft Melik Neighbors. So I guess I give Joe
Shaying a little credit, but I can't give him that
much credit because that came from his son voicing that.
But this was a great thing about having that kind
of hard knocks, like that kind of off.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Season, end season hard knocks.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
We got a chance to see how the sausage is made.
And so many owners and gms have seen that. Yeah,
so much so they don't want to see it again.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
No, no longer it again.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
No longer eating hot dogs, that's for sure, maybe not
necessarily going vegetarian, but they'll deal with the come up
in slater and I think.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That's apropos Well.
Speaker 8 (14:54):
We even got to look at their draft board in
that series, which I thought was absolutely insane to show
other teams around the league what you are thinking, even
if that's after the draft that year. But they see
how you rank players and how they have people on
their board, and how that compares. I can see why
no other team wants to touch this series at all.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, it feels almost like it's too exposing, it's too revealing.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
And I know well enough to know about the NFL culture,
the business side of it. Everyone wants to keep all
their information close to their vests and they don't want
to feel as though that it's kind of leaking out
and someone else is going to be able to get
the colonel's recipe.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Say yes that colonels.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Twenty five urgent spices, Yes, exactly. I don't know how
many there are. No, that sounds like a lot there, twelve,
I don't know. I don't need KFC.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I don't need I used to it.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, it was. You don't put like anything bad in
your body.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I wouldn't really ease.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Apple juice has a little bit of sugar, yes, spatural.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Anyways, I do like sweets, though, so we'll.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Ask your favorite sweets when we come back.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I'm sure I can actually pick those.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
But we're talking about, you know, super Bowl winning champion Eagles,
But what about the runners up? Brett Veach offers a
nice little reach on why he thinks to the Kansas
City Chiefs weren't able to pull it off. That's here
next on Broncos Country Night KA eight fifty AM ninety
four one FM. Thanks for being a tremendous co host
slash producer and you're amazing.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Well, you're amazing as well, and thank you for the
kind words.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Of course, I like to do that on and off
the air because I like to make you squirm.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
So you're welcome laughing back there.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
On the break, we were talking about uh x men,
some Marvel, some DC comics, and Nick I just wanted
to point out. It took me three hours, but I
finally realized my chair was too high, and I'll lower it.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Down so I can.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I've been leaning over the microphone all evening and I
just realized it was making my back hurt, so I
had to lower the I'm now that age.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Well, that's because Ben wants to be higher than everyone
else in a position of power, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So that all is making so much sense.
Speaker 8 (17:04):
The dark light, the position of power, with the high seat,
it's all coming together, brooding in the corner.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
It seemed like it's an episode of Secession. The Good Show.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Good Show.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Are you guys watching anything right now?
Speaker 8 (17:18):
Well, first off, I love Succession, A great show, amazing.
I was telling Ben this the other night after our
conversation with you movie must see movie A Real Pain
with Jesse Eisenberg, and also in Succession, you did watch it.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I did watch it. I watched it the day after
we talked about it. You cry, you know it did.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
But I found it initially and I want a caveat
this that as soon as it was done, I was like, wow,
I think it could have done more, you know, And
I was just sort of like trying to figure out
why I was feeling this way for twenty four hours
after the fact.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It haunted me, like you know, it's a good movie, yes, And.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So I wanted to point that out that Initially I
was like, oh, well, I thought you were going to
give me more here, and I'm like, no, you did,
you did, and you worked your way into my brain.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I got a warm there.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I mean haunted you.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I mean that it's a big feat.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
It is because knowing you and now finding out more
about your darkest side.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
How did it haunt you? Uh?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
It made me think about certain things and emotions that
were coming to the surface that maybe were more auspicious
and inevitably thinking it was shallow, and then spending hours
like driving to work and kind of sitting alone by
myself and thinking, why is it making you feel this way?
And it was like this rooted hole inside of me.
(18:41):
And I'm trying to explain it the best way that
I can, which usually means that I just start putting
feelers out into the ether and running around in circles.
But it left me feeling like I wanted something more,
but also it was hurting a little bit from and
I just don't want to give anything really away from
the movie itself, because you go in thinking you're going
to see something much different, and what it gave you
(19:02):
was kind of this dull ache of the notion of
maybe some mental health things.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Well see the fact of the title being called a
real pain and listen to both of you guys trying
to discreetly discuss it and talk about it without giving
the details. It seemed like this one of these types
of movies that I don't know, let me take a
shot at you know, someone might try or something like that.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Is it one of those It is not your typical
SOB story. I'll just say that.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
And I didn't shed a tear during and I think
that's why I was also like, man, I was ready,
I was prepared, but I think after words was kind
of the after effect for me. So I don't know
if you got if you give it a try, you
give it a try, and maybe it won't make you
cry because you don't cry at anything.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You're dead inside.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
In touch with those emotions. Yeah, just girlfriend, So.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Let's man, okay really quickly.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
So my emotions that have come up a lot ex
girlfriends on the show. Even my teammates when I play
right ask the question like do I mean you need
a hug or something, and I'm like, no, I'm perfectly fine.
I've kind of dealt with it on my own and
that I've learned how to process it.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Right, you just flip a Gator eight table and every
now and again.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
You know you got to unleash that negative energy. But
the whole.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Idea is knowing how control rage, being able to kind of,
you know, pull it back in. But for me, like
if I'm watching something, I think the last thing I saw,
I think it was a Silo, which if you have
not seen on Apple TV, it's an extraordinary show. It
kind of it pulls out your heartstrings in different type
(20:53):
of ways because it's about characters and can characters be
trusted in the isolated environment when everyone is depending on
everyone else for survival. So yeah, it's it's kind of
setting almost in the post apocalyptic type of error. And
there's no zombies. They're no zombie, but it is definitely
(21:18):
one of them. Now, my wife is watching one call.
I think it's Severance. I haven't really got into that.
Speaker 8 (21:25):
I've seen the first season. I haven't seen the second
season because we lost Apple TV after our free year subscription,
so I'm going.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
To light it under the glass. I got you covered that.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
But I'm really watching Veep, which is one of the
best shows of all time if you've never seen it.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Julia Elite, Juliet what's.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Her name for?
Speaker 8 (21:46):
Yes, she is the vice president, and it is one
of the most hilarious shows I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I heard.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
It's very accurate too, to the political standpoint of a.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Lot of especially this day and age.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
A parody upon itself. I'm watching Yellow Jackets.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Well I should say we were watching Yellow Jackets, but
we powered through all of it in a very short
period of time, so I'm waiting for episodes to release.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
I haven't seen that either, but my wife has washed
it and said it's one of our favorite shows.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I didn't know what to expect, and I wasn't sure
I was going to like it, and then I could
not stop. So that one's creepy though, that'll give you
a little bit of a nightmare.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
But is it kind of like the female version of
Lord of Flies.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Uh, interesting, I've never seen the episode that out.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Of your hat?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Did you just make that up? You had no idea?
Speaker 6 (22:32):
That no idea.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I mean I've seen trailers.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Oh okay.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
It just showed the you know, women and kind of
like strange types of scenarios.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, right, in flashbacks. But I wasn't goin.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I've never watched, but I thought like, could this be
I'm not sure because they didn't give a lot of details.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, all girls soccer team, they crash and then chaos
and teos. It's it's great to Meli Lord of Flies.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I'm so proud of you for pulling that out. You know,
we were talking about movies that make us cry, TV
shows that were watching you know what doesn't make me cry?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Though?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Next, what's that in Kansas City? Cheers not winning the
Super Bowl? And I we talked about it.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You know, Brett Veach was offering a little bit of
maybe a reason why Travis Kelce about als was just
unable to, I want to say, perform four receptions in
the Super Bowl. He dropped a couple of other ones.
Are you buying it or do you think that's just.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Fodder.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
To me, that's a bunch of fluff.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Oh, I mean just saying, okay, well, Travis Kelcey was
ill of some sort.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I'm like, yeah, he was.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
He was sick, but not sick being good, but sick
being bad dropping passes, not to really helping his team
out and more poorly not blocking efficiently to help his quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
So there was an illness that Travis Kelcey suffered from,
But I.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Don't think it was one of the those where it.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Was he was really sick, because the way I think
about a break, if Travis Kelcey was suffering any kind
of body illness, what we have heard about it long
before now, not at the combine, don't you think.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I mean, it's been a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
It's an interesting concept to think that you wouldn't speak
up about that sooner. It had to be something pretty
embarrassing to keep that under wraps. I would think you
would want to speak to it, especially since he's in
the public eye as much as he is. He's got
his own podcast. He could have mentioned that he was
filling ill.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I mean, you can see it in the body language.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
And I feel like all of this is sort of
being used to wipe it under the or swipe it
under the rug that he.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Didn't look like he had a whole lot of effort
out there.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
But it wasn't just Travis Kelcey who failed to play
at the top of their level. It was mostly the
Kansas City Chiefs. They failed to get a lot done.
That score tends to paint a little bit of a
different picture there, trying to make it seem as though
it was competitive, but for Travis Kelcey, and he's not
putting that story out directly. It's just interesting that management
is deciding to put that story out, Like.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I don't get it twisted.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
But Travis Kelsey wasn't the reason that the Kansas City
Chiefs didn't win that game.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
No, But it reminds me of remember the Broncos had
not beaten Kansas City in a while, and then all
of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
It beat Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
And then what came out later in the wash, Oh, well,
Patrick Mahomes was suffering from an ilian illness, and it
was like, wait, come on, man, come on, if you're
going to play, play right. If you're not gonna play,
don't play well. Once you lace them up and you
get your behind out on the field. Then hey, listen,
you've already agreed to deal with whatever the situation that
(25:44):
you may feel as though you were dealing with, if
in fact it was an actual illness. So for me,
I think that this was kind of a far French
reach unless they come up with some other evidence to
prove me wrong. But it's like, you lost, let's not
make any excuses. And maybe that was kind of the
(26:04):
setup because this happened early in the week when Brett
Veach was at the Combine and now we know later
on in the week that Travis Kelce plans on coming back.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, today we found that out that he confirmed to
Pat McAfee that he doesn't like.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
The way that the season ended.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I mean, who would we just you just talked about it. Right.
If your body's not telling you, and your mind's not telling,
your heart's not telling you that it's time to exit,
then how could you?
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But we've been speculating about Travis Kelce's departure from the
league for at least two seasons now, thinking that he
continues to have down years.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
This one stands out though.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Across the entirety of this season, only a handful of
touchdowns for Travis Kelce. So coming back in the league,
you're just you're wondering if.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Does he still have it? Does he still have that spark?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
No, he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I mean you didn't have the spark for the past
two years. The only spark that created a lot of
this fanfare and uproar for Travis Kelce was his relationship.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Whatever you want to call it, with Taylor Swift.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
That's where a lot of the energy started to elevate
once again. And I'm not saying that Travis Kelce whenever
he laces him up, he's not going to be a
Hall of Fame tight end. Yes, he's the main target
for Patrick Mahomes, but he wasn't excelling in my opinion,
the way that we've seen it before as far as
the level of speed. But this is the thing that
(27:37):
happens to a lot of players as you play on
and you play deep into the playoffs. And for Kansas City,
I mean, look, they played deep into the playoffs, they
played in Super Bowl, so that means that their off
season isn't as long as other teams. So that's going
to have a profound effect on players. And you could
definitely see over the time that Travis Kelcey's.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Played in this league.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I mean his speed, his ability to be elusive out
in the field is now diminished. And this is why
you see the plays that they use. What Travis kelce
is like, well, you run and it's almost like Wes Welker.
When Wes Welker played with Tom Brady, he was in
a very fast guy in the slot. You just go
(28:20):
where the defender is he outside, you go inside, he's inside,
you go outside. If he's running backwards, you run and
you stop. If he's standing right there five yards, you
keep going. So that's the type of offense that you
see with Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes more of.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
An option, righte.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
That's why I would drive me crazy when I would
constantly hear so many experts and then commentators say, well,
there's no way to cover Travis Kelcey. Yes, or it
is put your hands on him, choke him out rights,
just just go ahead line of scrim as soon as
they snapped the ball, just just just choke it.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Just control.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I mean, Kelsey was among the It was fifth among
tight ends in twenty twenty four with eight hundred and
twenty three receiving yards, but that's the lowest since his
sophomore season in twenty fourteen. So I feel like eventually
that conversation at heart to heart where Travis Kelsey sits
down with Travis Kelcey and he makes that decision. I
(29:20):
honestly thought it would be this season simply because of
the production output and efficiency and all the signs are there.
But you know, upon reflection through the conversations that we've
had this evening, maybe he just doesn't know that it's time,
and maybe he does still have a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
That spark left in him.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
And you know, being such a weapon for Kansas City,
for Andy Reid, for Patrick Mahomes, I mean, there's countless
opportunities in which he's just wide open in the field.
Do you feel like defenses are figuring that out now?
Though that it's been a one trick pony for Kansas
City with the Patrick Mahomes and Kelsey connection, that if
he's not blatantly opened, that it's kind of going to
(29:59):
fail when it comes down the long stretch of things.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Yeah, based on what Vic Fangio showed us in the
Super Bowl about how he only rushed for people are
starting to figure it out. But with that being said,
I give Brett Beach a lot of credit being the GM.
When something doesn't go right for Kansas City, they figure
out a way. But even from a contractional standpoint, they
have guys who may be on expiring deals, they may
(30:24):
be a little over the cap, they find a way
to squeeze everything out of that lemon and they're able
to put a roster on the field that's going to
be competitive.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
But you know, there was something else that happened this week.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
That I definitely wanted to get your opinion on, Like
the NFLPA did the whole thing about, you know, surveying
the players and seeing what teams were better than others
as far as you know, taking care of.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
The families, the food, the weight room, owner.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Head coach, and you know Grant's Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah, their
grades were were totally bad. But I'll give me your
thoughts on what you thought about the Broncos overall grades
from a team standpoint.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well, that's an interesting I keep forgetting that Grant is
a Bengals fan, notoriously cheap over there in Cincinnati. I
hope they're able to get some things done for your sake.
But aside that fact, I was kind of shocked that.
And I want to ask a question, Grant, do you
happen to know or Nick maybe you would considering you
have been back there before. Why was the locker room
and F and F it was just bad? They're outdated
(31:34):
first and foremost, right.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Okay, Well, so that this was very easy, easy fix.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
The reason being.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Is because I mean, the locker room is so much better.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Than it was when I played.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Yeah, but you have lockers kind of right next to
one another, and you have those lockers kind of right
in the middle, and players don't feel as though they
have enough space.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
I don't know how a space you need, but I
guess some players feel as though they don't have enough space.
But as soon as the players marked that F down.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
You got to think it is already changing. The dye
has already been cast. There's a new facility being built.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
If you drive by with the team story is, you
will see a new facility being built. So to me,
I think this was just a speed bump, a little
blip on the radar, because things are going to change.
And watch the Broncos gave Chean Payton to b they
gave their owners an A, so that just tells you that
that F wasn't really an F.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
It sticks out glaringly so. But you're right, it's going
to change. You have the richest owners in sports. I'm
in football for the Denver Broncos there with the Walton
Penner group. I think we're seeing those changes, and I'm
glad that you pointed out the valley is going to
look a lot different in the time moving forward. But honestly,
it's all up from here and I'm excited to see
where the Broncos go.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
This is Broncos Country Tonight.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Nick Ferguson brimesis a fifty AM ninety four one FM.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
I have a tough time to sleep. Then for said
Quandyros to film the outside of that
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Talk you about control rate, just and throw a loots
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