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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Depends with Olbrian here with you Zach seekers back there
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behind the glass five six six nine zero is the
text line you guys want to get all of the conversation.
Got right out to the KWA comment spurtle hotline though,
and bring on a guy, Frankie. I've been at Frankie's
film on Twitter. Rickyw you doing a buddy.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm doing great, man. How are you tonight?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I'm doing well. I just want to make sure you
were drinking like a fruity drink or anything.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We didn't interrupt you while you were uh yeah, it's
a Monday night, Monday night. That's that's that's more your avenue,
not mine yet. You know that's not get a little
bit deeper in the game.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I guess fair enough. Oh my goodness, men said it's
good to your voice and seen me since out there
at the Senior Bowl. I don't know how close you
were paying attention to the combine, but obviously that's been
the talk of the town as far as things go. U.
When you look at the combine and I you know,
when I do it, I look at it, I'm like,
all right, this is for me. This is a recheck
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if I if somebody doesn't test where I think they should,
or or somebody exponentially tests better than their production. It's
it's a chance to go back and look at the film.
How do you view the combine overall?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, I mean I think you pretty much met nail.
But you know, it's about kind of checking boxes. You
don't necessarily want to adjust the guy too much based
on you know, what they're doing in their underwear out there,
what they're getting trained up on to do from trainers.
All season long. They had, you know, ample opportunity to
put on tape what you want to see out of them.
So this is again just something that you want to
make sure that you know, Okay, is he as fast
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as I think he looks on the field. If he's not,
all right, let's go back and take a look. Maybe
I ended up missing something, But honestly, something I've kind
of as I've you know, watched more and more over
the years, I've kind of cared about a little bit
less and less, especially because it feels like as we've
gone on, i mean, more and more players kind of
opt out of it. At this point, the pro das
seem like we're a lot of guys are doing their business.
There's so much stuff where like the agility tests are
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always something I'm a bit more interested in getting to see,
especially for some core positions where a lot of guys
don't do that stuff at the combine now, so again
not really necessarily the biggest thing, but it is always
fun getting to see kind of who are you going
to put up the freakiest numbers of the weekend, which
we definitely.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Have this year that we did. We'll get to that
just a second. Talking with Frankie abbat Frankie's film on Twitter,
you know there were some there were mixed bags. I
will say to your point about people not working out,
that is said is a source of consternation to the
league itself because they advertise this as a fan event.
They it's got on TV, they're selling the advertising for it.
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And then you've got guys at Camboard, Shade or don't Throw.
You got guys that don't work out. And I will
tell you that the league itself, which the League doesn't
put on the combin, they just sell it nationals out
he puts on the combin. But the league is starting
to get irritated at some of these people taking invites
and then not working out, and we may see something
like that change in the coming years. Some of the
interesting workouts here. I mean, you know, you look at
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this and I thought, disappointing workout for for Fan and
disappointing workout for Tess Johnson, especially way in at one
fifty four. But that you know, then you go back
and you look at the table, You're like, well, wait
a minute, these guys were playing pretty well. On the
flip side of that, you have like a Stewart from
A and M who blows the doors off with the workout.
But you look at the production, isn't there who for
you jumped out at you from from either way, either
the disappointing end or from the He exceeded what I
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thought he.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Would do ed so I thought when Shawn Judkins was
the guy that kind of blew me away with how
well he tested. I really like Trayvon Henderson, the other
back from Ohio State, but Dean Judkins put out the
numbers he did at the way he's at was pretty impressive. Honestly,
the entire running back class of the whole looking credible.
I know Denver is obviously looking to add one, maybe
two backs in the draft this year, so kind of
an exciting thing where in a class that we already
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knew was strong, you're really looking at it, like, dude,
there's like fifteen, you know, maybe even more guys that
I mean, maybe you missed out on the junty at
the top, You're still able to get a decent little
pick down there in the mid rounds or day three
if that ends up happening to you. But then I
thought Jalen Royle is a receiver out of a Utah state,
ended up looking really nice. I thought he tested very well.
Kind of a guy that had a super good year
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two years ago, a solid season last year, but the
production was a little bit down. Exciting to kind of
see him test the way he did. And then the
offensive lineman also went kind of crazy. Membal out of
Missouri was the guy that was really impressive. He's probably
gonna end up being like, what a top ten, top
fifteen pick at this point, really impressive player out there.
The Georgia guys tat Ratleige and Deared Wilson were blowing
the doors off everybody, And like you said, Shamar Stewart
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was incredible. I mean, kind of one of those things
you were expecting again, like you acknowledged, like it's one
of those things where you expected seeing what he was
doing on tape, the way he's playing at and just
kind of to get off he's got. You knew he
was going to put up flashing numbers. Looking in to
see it live in person was super cool. And then
Iman Worri too the Safety out of South Carolina also
had an incredible combine performance over the three days. He's
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kind of getting the athleticism Derwin James comp. I don't
want to call him Derwin James because I don't necessarily
think he's that level of prospect, but athletically that's what
he's kind of looking like.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
That's one of my guys, Jade Royles. I'll get to
that in a SEGM. What'd you think of Nojo hank
landon Jackson out there? You know, testing pretty well? You know,
I think he's pretty limited. He really is like a
right defensive end and you know what a forty three.
I think he's kind of pigeonholed as that, but certainly
levitated with a forty and a half inch vertical.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, No, it's san and especially going from I know
a lot of the uh like the NBA common they're
able to get the step in in the hop to
kind of hit those forty inches. Seeing guys like Lynn
and Jackson, like you said, he's had like what two
seventy to maybe two sixty five being able to jump
up that is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, the no O Hank comparison is like spot on.
It really is kind of ridiculous how much he looks
like him.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
It really does. He looks like he haats stunt double
for him and the show Barry, which is a great show.
If you guys haven't seen that, you should. You should
watch that with Bill Hayter. You mentioned Jade Royles at
somebody I've been kind of you know, maybe maybe a
little tap in the table, maybe not bang in the table,
but taping the table a little bit for I don't
think the Broncos should be heavy on on wide receivers
a free agency. I don't think they should be looking
for receivers at the front of the draft. But a
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guy like Royals who might be there, maybe maybe in
the fourth round, you kind of hope, you know, if
he gets there, would you would that be somebody you
would want the Broncos to bring in as kind of
a slot guy and maybe he could play a little
bit of disease.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, oh, one hundred percent. I honestly think he kind
of looks like he'll played the Z the best out
of all the spots. I think he could go. And
I mean, you've already got kind of your outside threatened son.
He gonna be playing as your ex I think, you know,
they showed that Marvin Minm's had his best production in
the slot. I still think he can kind of work
is kind of playing a little bit of inside out,
but it seems like that's kind of the spot he's
going to get next year, rotating with Savon Valley. That
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they've got this kind of that big slot option, So
I think having him kind of be a little bit
of that, just a little bit of a difference maker,
kind of a little bit of a different pitch, if
you will, that they've got right now, I think would
be absolutely perfect in the receiver room.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Some of the other guys out there I thought look
pretty good to Mario and Hampton, who's been a man
crushed of mind for a while. What do you think
of this supposedly loaded running back class and are there
any names there that you particularly want the Devil Broncos
to be looking at.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So you mentioned Hampton, I'd be I was a really
big fan of Hampton. I know, obviously Javonte Williams is
fresh in the mind of a lot of Broncos fans
in North Carolina. Backs Hampton isn't that kind of player.
He is a very downhill runner, but I actually enjoyed
his running stettle bit more. He's a bit faster to
kind of get into where he needs to go, and
I also kind of liked his ability as a receiver
as well. I thought Basual Tutin is another guy that
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I really liked out of Virginia Tech. He tested really
well for Shard Smith, who's I remember if he's the
converter ride receiver. He used to play ride receiver a
little bit. But when we talked about that, you know
the buzzword in Denver right now, that joker role. I
think he's kind of a guy that you could look
at in those middle rounds as hey. I think he
can do a lot of the route running stuff that
they don't have out of the backfield right now. So
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he's an exciting name to keep an eye on too.
But like you said, I mean the list goes on
and on and on in field like and it's one
of those things where on day three, when they've got
all those sixth round picks, there's the chance that every
single time they're on the board, it's like, oh man,
there's a good back available that we thought was going
to be gone on, you know, in the third, fourth round.
Do we kind of make that swing again? And they
can really kind of build up this room from the
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ground up.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Talk you with Frankie Abbott at Frankie's film on Twitter.
As as we look at the you know, you talked
about the joker thing. A lot of the tight End
room has been associated with that, and looking at some
of these picks, I think a lot of people were eyeballing.
Gunner help, a guy who was coached by r O.
Dave Logan, had a bit of a poor workout, although
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he injured himself and severely injurediself rather and then still
elected to try to work out through it and once
that injury, heels probably get numbers more closer to what
he performed on the field. But another local guy, ferguson
the tight End up there in Oregon really kind of
put on a show.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, he was actually a guy we got to talk
to you down and mobile still when we were at
the Senior Bowl. And he's a guy that really can
do a little bit of everything. I mean when we
talk about a guy that can kind of move all
over the formation, he can kind of develop a little
bit more as an inline blocker. But I do think
he has the capabilities to at least be serviceable in
a role like that. But yeah, like you said, I mean,
he tested his ass off be an incredible weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, I mean I thought, you know, I mean his play.
You know, I don't know that looking at that that
I'm spending an early pick there. But the athleticism, the
test of athleticism certainly seemed to indicate that he's a
guy that that could probably be something at the NFL
level when you look at that tight end position, shod
the any guys that you really really want the Denver
Broncos to be in on.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I mean, it's funny you mentioned him. I'm still a
very big fan of Gunner. Hell, I know, kind of
it seems like, I don't know, consensus might be a
little bit lower on him. I know, the testing really
ended up hurting him but he's a guy. When I
look at just kind of someone with really soft hands
over the middle, I don't think that they need to.
I would kind of rather than look in free agency
to get one of those move tight ends unless you're
able to get obviously someone like maybe Tyler Warren at
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the top of the draft, or like you know, someone
more like Loveland who you really thinking kind of do
a little bit of both. I think, you know, Juwan
Johnson's a guy that comes up where you talk about, Okay,
here's kind of a I don't think you're gonna have
to really expend a super high pick on him, but
you're still able to kind of get that guy in
the room. And then, like I said, a guy like
Gunner Helm that you can maybe get. I don't know
if he's still gonna be around like round two, round three,
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but a guy even getting kind of those mid to
you know, maybe early later rounds. And I think he
kind of rejects as well as kind of everything he
can do a little.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Bit of it all.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I really liked his play over the middle of the field, Blake,
I said, just down Sawton zone coverages. That's why like
watching him kind of, you know, even with the injury
not test super well. This wasn't the guy I was
really expecting to test super well. His game is really
based around, like I said, having a very big catch radius,
being able to find the right spots, sit down and coverage,
and then just kind of make plays after the catch.
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So I think a guy like him would be absolutely fantastic.
And then I know Elijah Arroyo, even though he's a
guy who didn't test, he'd be fantastic as well, just
because of how much upset he has athletically talking.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
With Frankie Avid Frankie's film on Twitter. You guys want
to check that out, go follow him. It's a good
follow to UH to be following. I follow him. When
when you look at this quarterback class and he's considered
a down class, it's it's kind of shaking out. The
caboard is probably gonna be the first one taken. There's
a lot of UH, I would say backwards hype on
Shoud or Sanders seems to be the guy that's falling
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out a favor. You look at various different reasons. We'll
get to those here in a little while, but the
QB freeze probably Jackson Dart and then after that it's
anybody's gas. Is there anybody else in this class that
you've sort of got an eye on that maybe in
the late rounds somebody could could grab and turn into something.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean, the Cord's the guy I haven't hated just
because he projects I think really well. Is kind of
that quality backup. And that's not at all me trying
to insult him. You know that, I think being able
to have a guy that can come in and I
think be a part of your franchise for however long,
and I think will kind of continue to get contracts.
It's because I think he does a lot of the stuff,
you know, working concepts that you want to see. But
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outside of that, like you said, I know, I know
was a shuck show. Is kind of a guy that
a lot of people like Will Howard, I know, had
an ugly combine, but I like when I watched those,
you know, the playoff run for Ohio State, there are
a lot of guys having great performances and he was
one of them. So a team might end up kind
of linking himselves to that, but not really anyone I
want to hang my hat on this year super hard.
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It's like you said, it's a little bit of an
confusing coass kind of trying to piece it out into Okay,
which one of these guys that we think is actually
going to be able to translate and progress a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I'm talking with frankiea Frankie down there at the Senior Bowl.
I want to switch to the defensive side of the ball.
One of the one of the guys I happened to
notice kind of jumped out at me was another Oregon player, Bossa,
the linebacker. Ye know, anytime you get to a situation
like that where you got the best of the best
at an events and you see a guy that's sort
of taking charge and Bossu really did that line of
guys up. You know, he was basically doing the green
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dot thing before they even, uh, they were even doing
any that kind of stuff. Uh. It kind of stands
out to me. Was there anybody from the defensive side
of the bowl that stood out to you as somebody
the Broncos may want to add?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So, I mean, I know, the defensive line is kind
of somewhere they're going to need to really look at,
well not really look at, but somewhere I'd like them
to look at. You'll get how they got kind of
dominated in the Buffalo game, just getting pushed over on
the ground. I think a guy like Jamari Caldwell, who
didn't necessarily test the best. He's a very large dude,
but kind of seeing how he operated in the onfield
drills was incredible. I think he would be a perfect,
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you know, two gaping nose tackle for them. He'd be
a guy'd be really interested. I know Ty Robinson, a
guy from Nebraska, had a pretty had a great combine.
He's a guy who's tape I didn't fall in love with,
but he could be a possibility to know. And then
outside of those two, I mean, the safety conversation is interesting.
I know a man war is probably gonna be someone
that a lot of people are interested in. He's not
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necessarily someone I love for dvance just because I really would.
I think he's going to project best to be kind
of playing in the box, kind of having that kind
of singular role, whereas I would really like them to
kind of go after a guy that, like we see
Brandon Jones do do a little bit of everything. We
want to be able to play you in man coverage.
We want to be able to blitz you. We want
to be able to put you in the box and
have you played deep, whether it's a split high set
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or just single high. So I think a guy like
Malati starts would be incredible if they end up having
a first round pick where he ends up sliding a
little bit, just because you know, sometimes we see safeties
do that a little bit. He could be a really
interesting option.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, Frankie, I appreciate the time this evening. Look forward
to reading what you put out on Twitter. You guys
shoul follow him at Frankie's film. That's Frankie Abbott. Appreciate
you money. Go have a fruity drink on me.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I appreciate you man, Thanks for having me up.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
All right. Take care of Frankie Habitt, who we keep
giving him grief because when we were down there in
Inmobile at the in Alabama it's the Senior Bowl, we
went to a went to a kind of a famous
beer and bourbon bar. Uh there, Frankie had some drink
became in like a little champagne glass kind of thing,
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and uh, he was you know, I was like, what
are you what are you even doing here? Like go
get yourself something that tastes like gasoline and go sit down,
and uh, it was. It became a subject of mirth
because then you know, it was getting the next round.
I'm like, I'm not going up there and ordering whatever
that was. I'm not I'm not ordering that. Not having
them look at me sideways. I'm guilty of the same
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thing as Frankie. I gotta be honest. I get the
I'm a rum guy, so I get a lot of
the tropical So drink a mohedo that's still a men's drink. Yeah,
but you know, I like seeing what they got on
the menu or whatever. Tell me something about like vanilla,
cotton candy, vodka or something almost the glass. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I did. I did one time, embarrassingly go out with
a group of friends in order, you know, whatever they
had on the menu, and it came out in like
a whole treasure chest situation, and like there were sparklers, and.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I was like, please, please, can we not do this?
Can we just have the liquid? That's all I'm really
looking for here. Yeah, that's the Oh my goodness, that's
that's great. That's that's absolutely great. Yeah it was. I
don't know, it's some kind of Drea and it came
like this, you know, just like little champagne kind of
you know fing and I'm like most dainty martini, right,
and I'm looking at this thing. I'm like, what did
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you order? Like, what did you what did you even get?
You know, what do you tell them to get? Right?
That's what I'm saying, Like what did you go to
the bar and say? You know, they just because that
glass is not being displayed anywhere, like they had to
go get special stemware for you to make whatever this
thing is. And uh and he's look at these would
you get an old fashioned like a man? Oh? But
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it was. It was great and he, to his credit,
just kept drinking them like he did not He did
not waiver, did not bend it up out up here
brush at all. He just kept doing his thing. Frankie
is a dead sat Nan. He is. He is stubborn.
If nothing else. Oh, I love that, you know, if
you gotta figure like you got to sit there and
take it, you know, getting made fun of, but the
fact that you stuck with it. And I was like,
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at least you're not ordering like smere off ice or
something Broncos Country and might be back after this. That's
all right here with these xt segers back there behind
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Monday night. Thank you guys for sticking with us. By
the way, Kansas Hadding hit a field goal in like
some a few minutes I was watching un You know
that is a team that uh wow. Yeah, I know
CU's having a rough year, but Kansas is kind of
by their standards, having a rough year as well. Just yeah,
it's it's interesting to me how Anil sort of shifted
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the power dynamics in multiple sports, you know, and some
of the blue bloods, you know. I think Nick say
people were talking about Saban's shocking retirement and all that
kind of stuff. What happened. I didn't think it was
that shocking. I think that he knew that the dynamic
was changing and that he was going to be unable
to compete in the new paradigm. The ways that Nick
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Saban had done things over the years was going to
make it improbable or impossible for him to maintain his
choke hold on college football, and so he chose to
get out while the getting was good, and more power
to him. Five six six Nimes Zeros text line, You
guys want to get involved in the conversation. The sev
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one nine says, regarding Frankie's drink choices, to drink bourbon
until you like it. I'm with you. Several questions coming
in on the text line that I do want to
get to. One is their potential for the first round
pick to be used on defense. Who do you think
that would be? Well, let me let me say this,
we're picket at twenty. There's it's going to be a
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little tougher to call this year simply because there's really
only twelve blue chip prospects in this draft, and then
after that, the difference between the guys from like thirteen
out to Honor, like the talent gap is is not
that not that big, right, So there's gonna be a
lot of guys that are viewed differently by different teams,
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And so that's gonna make I think a lot of
the mock drafts after like twelve this year like eat
way more high variants than normal. I think. I think
it's tough to say as far as defense goes. I mean,
if there's a defensive lineman or an elite safety and
one of those picks tumbles down to twenty because teams
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were loading up on quarterbacks or running backs or whatever.
Then you know, that might push somebody into our lap,
you know, and that might be the way to go.
I don't know who that player would be at this point.
We're still pretty early in that process. So you know,
that's one of those things like as time goes on,
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we'll get we'll get closer and closer, we'll get a
little bit more clarity on the way things are shaking out.
I would say at this point, the Broncos could do
anything in the first round. I mean, the one thing
I do not expect them to do as a wide
receiver and obviously quarterback, but they could do anything there.
It really just depends on, you know, what kind of
falls in their lap at that point. And so I
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don't believe they'll trade up. I don't believe that's in
the cards. But I do believe that they'll sort of
just kind of wait and let the draft come to
them and whatever whatever picks are there, you know, kind
of look through and see if they can get best
player available, whether that's a running back, a tight end,
defensive lineman, free safety, libbick, whatever, whatever the case may be.
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I think that's the right way to go about it.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
They're still building the foundation of this team, and I think,
for as good as last season was, for as many
promising pieces you have at all these different positions, you
can make a case for a first round pick at
just about any of those positions, except for quarterback and cornerback.
Probably you know those two.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
You'd probably write off his poor decisions.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
If they drafted a first round quarterback or cornerback, anything
else I could justify.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I think it's well within reason. I wouldn't be surprised
if corner was on the menu. Just is is that
a thing with like Riley Moss's. I don't think it
has to do with Moss. I'm talking in the first round. Yeah,
I wouldn't. I mean, if they go corner, I'll put
it you this way. I would. I would suggest that
they would be much much more likely to take a
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corner than a receiver, significantly more like Wow, can I
guess the name? I don't have a name. I'm just
saying that, as this team goes, I suspect that they
would be significantly more likely to take a corner than
a receiver early. That's interesting, Like a John A. Barn
Nickel type you think, or just any type that's you're
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hitting the nail on the head as far as the area. Okay,
but I think that I think again, I'll just say
it that way. Like I genuinely do not believe that
they are in on receiver early. I'm not sure that
they are in on corner early, but they are vastly
more likely to take a corner early than a receiver. Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Well, still, I think even to what we're just saying,
I think you can make a case even for like
a first round nickel or something, this team could use
talent at just about anywhere, even if it's depth.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, and the way I always phrase it is this
is just draft good players. You draft good players, You're
gonna mess around and have a good team. You know,
like they like that's just no. I know that's reductive.
But at the end of the day, if you just
keep drafting good players, you're gonna you know, you're gonna
wake up and find this you got a good team.
Ask the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, they over invested in those positions with like Jordan
Davis and Jalen Carter and now those guys are the.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Next wave and they are just ready to go.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Cam Jurgen's you know, you have the greatest center of
all time, maybe you still make a point to invest
in a second round center, and now they're able to
keep on rolling even despite that Hall of Famer retiring.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, and that's you know, I mean, at the end
of the day, you can you can draft on strength
and still and still make it work. I don't believe again,
I don't believe they'll trade up. I do not believe
that's in the cards. Maybe if an elite player gets
like within two spots where they're drafting, that kind of thing.
But I really really don't believe they're going to trade up,
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trade back. If they had the right partner and got
the right picks back, maybe, But this is gonna be
a tough to draft to trade back in because everybody's
gonna want to be traded back, and you're gonna have
to find a partner that's willing to do that. So
I suspect they'll be picking at twenty and I suspect
that you know, it'll be you know, gauging what falls
into their lap and kind of going from there. I
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do want to talk a little bit about shad Or Sanders,
because I've been teasing this for a little while, and
I'll tell you an opinion on him. Around the league's
he's split. There are people that really like him and
there are people that really don't. And some of the
meetings that he's had, you know, I've talked to two
people who are in those in those rooms, and there
are times where they're like, man, he's just a different guy.
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He comes from a different background. There were guys that
said he came across those meetings is disinterested or unrelated, unrelatable.
There are guys that from other meetings were like, yeah,
he was great. So I don't know if it's a
strategic tanking of certain things to not go to certain teams,
or if maybe the people in those rooms simply don't
know how to relate to somebody who has been around
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is the son of Deon Sanders, It's the son of
a megastar, has been a quarterback in his better and
in the Anil era. You know, I don't want to
say that Schudor has a sense of entitlement, because you know,
I don't know that, but it is certainly that the
prediiction for that exists. As somebody who comes from wealth
and has had wealth thrust upon him, his entire life,
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you know, And so I think that there are some
people that are reading the room wrong on that. And
then I think there are some ways in which he
is probably not relatable. He's not a person who's ever
had to struggle for anything. You know, there are some
funny narratives, Oh, he would have you know, Jackson said, yeah,
he was a you know, he's a four star athlete
who had a five star receiver. Went to HBCU. Of
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course they were tearing it up. The question was could
they come to Colorado do the same thing, and they
largely did. They didn't you know, in terms of production,
and they win games, but they you know, in terms
of production, yeah, I and Travis they produced. You know,
you can't really argue with that. So I think that
a lot of the people in these meetings and in
these rooms, I think you have to sort of recalibrate
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the way that you look at their answers, because you're
talking to someone who's never had who's never had to
scrap for anything. He's never known. There's never been a
point in should do or Sander's life where he's not
known where his next meal is coming from. You know,
there's never been a point where where financial uncertainty loomed
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as a specter over his family and he had to
put that on his back. So I say that works
both ways. One that makes them a little unrelatable to
people who've had that, But on the flip side, it
also makes his own drive a little bit different. Some
people play with the chip on the shoulder because they
have to, because they're hungry. They have to. They gotta,
I gotta go out and do this or we're not
gonna eat. Right, Well, what does this say about a
guy who performs at that level without having to have
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that motivation? Right? He's doing it of his own so
motivated self stark right, So it's it's a given a
take there. There's there's a positive and a negative there
as far as that stuff goes. But there's there's been
a multitude of people who at this point have made
note of how different he is. Whether you consider that
good or bad in the interview process, I just think
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it's to be expected.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
This is Deon Sanders kid, And of course, you know
we're talking about one of the most famous, wealthiest athletes
of his era.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
That's definitely a factor.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
But it's also Deon Sanders it's prime time that's going
and it's not like Colorado's been at a lack of
documentation over these past few years. We know these characters'
personalities and Shador I think he's very likable, but he's
also fairly abrasive. We've seen the trash talk between m
and cam Ward, those clips leaking out.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I don't think that's surprising.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
That said, I don't think this is super uncommon when
we're talking about a top of the draft quarterback who
doesn't necessarily need this. You like John Elway he had
the Yankees. He obviously pushed back on the Colts. Eli
Manning didn't necessarily need that. He pushed back on the
Chargers drafting him. I think this is more similar to
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those cases than you know, if Jared Goff were to
do this, right, I think there's and there's something to
him being sort of advanced because he's seen or dealt with,
or watched his father deal with, or been coached by
his father in how to deal with certain situations before
it even occurs to other people, right, because of the
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situation that he comes from.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
So you know, I don't want to knock I don't
want to sit here and just just dump on him.
But I do want to say that there is this
is popping up as a common criticism that in these
meetings it's not the same as it is with some
of the other guys, And I think that that's simply
because he just has a wildly different background. You're right,
he doesn't need it. He's also never he's never experienced adversity,
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like he's never had to, right, Like what adversity Ishie
or Sanders ever overcome other than playing behind, frankly a
garbage offensive line out there. It's the U. But I mean, like,
what personal adversity he's never had, you know, a stretch
of four to six games where we're just losing our
butts off and it's my fault.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Maybe early in the season when it's I think they
were one in three or what was it, two and three,
it looked like the season was maybe starting to go
south right after that Nebraska game, and I would say
he didn't handle that adversity. Well, that's when he made
the quote about his offensive line. So I think that's
definitely concerning. Maybe you could make an argument like last
year six and six team had some adversity, but he
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hasn't been seeing a lot of adversity on the field,
maybe something like Travis Hunter taking that dirty hit against
the car State last year and he runs down the
field to get in the mud, but like you're reaching
for straws at that point.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, I just think he's a guy who's not ever
had I'm curious as to how he reacts to those
kinds when he when he hits a personal impediment, how
he acts because he just really hasn't had that some
of the other concerns that are out there. And I
went to dinner with an NFL head coach and GM
I think it was Monday night, and I had a chat,
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an interesting chat with him, and one of the things
that they laid out his house and teams are concerned
about Dion Sanders and the role that he could play.
Because if you're the coach of some team and I'm
gonna pick a team at random, let's just say that.
Let's say the Giants, right, Let's say the Giants. You
know you're the Giants. You guys, should you draft to
shoot or Sanders? You bring him out to your playing Also,
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your teams struggling. Right, You're six games into the season,
You're one and five or two and four, you're struggling.
It's apparent that the offensive line is still in fai.
You know that kind of thing. And how much sway
is a guy with a megaphone that big, A guy
who can go on literally any media outlet at any
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time because he has those connections, A guy who is
a very large megaphone of his own through his own
social media. And what if he starts putting the team
on blast, shed or talk to him about, you know,
on the phone about something, and all of a sudden,
he's the de facto guy putting the offensive line on blast.
He's putting the game planning on blast, of coaching on blast,
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the general manager, the front office. That's a pretty big megaphone.
And that's a guy who can, like I said, he
can go on any show at any time and do
that and it will be the headline that day. And
there are concerns from NFL teams about the sort of
you know you always hear about helicopter parents with this
guy might actually arrive in a helicopter. You know, it's
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there's a there's a he's sort of concerned that, hey,
look if hitting the slump all of a sudden, Dion's
out there putting us on blast. We may not survive that.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
And he wouldn't even have to go out of his
way to do it. He's going to have several media
availabilities a week beyond. Like, yes, he could call up
stephen A at any point and be like, hey, I'd
love to come on first take this week, and he's there.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, you know Menapi or you know any of the
bar because he used to do a barstool stuff, or
you know, and he was buddies over atn NFL Network
or any that kind of stuff. I mean, he literally
has those types of connections.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
And you think about the opposite, like a player like
Drew Locke here in Denver, Drew locks Dad had no
ability to gripe through the media when you know Teddy
Bridgewater got the starting job over him or whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
In that competition. Yeah, that competition training it which was stacked.
I mean it was. It was absolutely a sham competition.
Whether or not you ultimately wanted Teddy or Drew, I
will tell you that competition was the biggest sham I
have ever seen in mile. It was hilarious how obvious
Vic Fangio and Pat Shermer were in stacking the deck
that Teddy bridge Old was going to be the guy, right. Yeah,
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have a situation like that, you know, and then you've
got a parent who has the ability to jump on
any media outlet in America or just drop something on
Twitter and it's the story of the day.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And I think there's an attitude of well, should or
should just you know, tell them to not do that
or whatever? And I heard the sports writer, I think
it was Dany Heifitz put it really well, like, have
you ever tried to tell your dad not to do
something or to do something? Have you ever tried to
make your dad do something that you wanted them to do?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
It's not a shoe into work. Yeah, And so that's
sort of the thing. So there are NFL teams that
are legitimately concerned with sort of the idea that Dion
Sanders could sit there and put Coach Brau could sit
there and put them on blast and you know, shake
their job security when they're trying to work through things.
(32:50):
That is a thing that they're factoring into this evaluation.
And so I find that fascinating. I mean, you know,
I was talking with Nick Ferguson, he was on the
K Sports show earlier and we were talking for the
show and I was saying Nick was was saying, well,
you know, you just go out and prepare your quarterback,
right and you never have to worry about that. I'm like, well,
I mean in theory, yes, but if you're not performing,
you know, somebody's going to catch the blame there. And
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I don't think Dion's gonna sit out there tweeting about
his son, you know, taking the blame on stuff. So
you know, just just something to kind of sort of
keep your eye on as the situation evolves, fairly or unfairly.
There is the concern about the you know, the code
of the helicopter com parent component of this, and you
know he might be the one parent who literally could
arrive in a helicopter. So you know, just just something
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to kind of keep your eye on. Broncos Country and
I back after this
Depends with Olbrian here with you Zach seekers back there
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behind the glass five six six nine zero is the
text line you guys want to get all of the conversation.
Got right out to the KWA comment spurtle hotline though,
and bring on a guy, Frankie. I've been at Frankie's
film on Twitter. Rickyw you doing a buddy.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm doing great, man. How are you tonight?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I'm doing well. I just want to make sure you
were drinking like a fruity drink or anything.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We didn't interrupt you while you were uh yeah, it's
a Monday night, Monday night. That's that's that's more your avenue,
not mine yet. You know that's not get a little
bit deeper in the game.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I guess fair enough. Oh my goodness, men said it's
good to your voice and seen me since out there
at the Senior Bowl. I don't know how close you
were paying attention to the combine, but obviously that's been
the talk of the town as far as things go. U.
When you look at the combine and I you know,
when I do it, I look at it, I'm like,
all right, this is for me. This is a recheck
(00:49):
if I if somebody doesn't test where I think they should,
or or somebody exponentially tests better than their production. It's
it's a chance to go back and look at the film.
How do you view the combine overall?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, I mean I think you pretty much met nail.
But you know, it's about kind of checking boxes. You
don't necessarily want to adjust the guy too much based
on you know, what they're doing in their underwear out there,
what they're getting trained up on to do from trainers.
All season long. They had, you know, ample opportunity to
put on tape what you want to see out of them.
So this is again just something that you want to
make sure that you know, Okay, is he as fast
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as I think he looks on the field. If he's not,
all right, let's go back and take a look. Maybe
I ended up missing something, But honestly, something I've kind
of as I've you know, watched more and more over
the years, I've kind of cared about a little bit
less and less, especially because it feels like as we've
gone on, i mean, more and more players kind of
opt out of it. At this point, the pro das
seem like we're a lot of guys are doing their business.
There's so much stuff where like the agility tests are
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always something I'm a bit more interested in getting to see,
especially for some core positions where a lot of guys
don't do that stuff at the combine now, so again
not really necessarily the biggest thing, but it is always
fun getting to see kind of who are you going
to put up the freakiest numbers of the weekend, which
we definitely.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Have this year that we did. We'll get to that
just a second. Talking with Frankie abbat Frankie's film on Twitter,
you know there were some there were mixed bags. I
will say to your point about people not working out,
that is said is a source of consternation to the
league itself because they advertise this as a fan event.
They it's got on TV, they're selling the advertising for it.
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And then you've got guys at Camboard, Shade or don't Throw.
You got guys that don't work out. And I will
tell you that the league itself, which the League doesn't
put on the combin, they just sell it nationals out
he puts on the combin. But the league is starting
to get irritated at some of these people taking invites
and then not working out, and we may see something
like that change in the coming years. Some of the
interesting workouts here. I mean, you know, you look at
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this and I thought, disappointing workout for for Fan and
disappointing workout for Tess Johnson, especially way in at one
fifty four. But that you know, then you go back
and you look at the table, You're like, well, wait
a minute, these guys were playing pretty well. On the
flip side of that, you have like a Stewart from
A and M who blows the doors off with the workout.
But you look at the production, isn't there who for
you jumped out at you from from either way, either
the disappointing end or from the He exceeded what I
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thought he.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Would do ed so I thought when Shawn Judkins was
the guy that kind of blew me away with how
well he tested. I really like Trayvon Henderson, the other
back from Ohio State, but Dean Judkins put out the
numbers he did at the way he's at was pretty impressive. Honestly,
the entire running back class of the whole looking credible.
I know Denver is obviously looking to add one, maybe
two backs in the draft this year, so kind of
an exciting thing where in a class that we already
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knew was strong, you're really looking at it, like, dude,
there's like fifteen, you know, maybe even more guys that
I mean, maybe you missed out on the junty at
the top, You're still able to get a decent little
pick down there in the mid rounds or day three
if that ends up happening to you. But then I
thought Jalen Royle is a receiver out of a Utah state,
ended up looking really nice. I thought he tested very well.
Kind of a guy that had a super good year
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two years ago, a solid season last year, but the
production was a little bit down. Exciting to kind of
see him test the way he did. And then the
offensive lineman also went kind of crazy. Membal out of
Missouri was the guy that was really impressive. He's probably
gonna end up being like, what a top ten, top
fifteen pick at this point, really impressive player out there.
The Georgia guys tat Ratleige and Deared Wilson were blowing
the doors off everybody, And like you said, Shamar Stewart
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was incredible. I mean, kind of one of those things
you were expecting again, like you acknowledged, like it's one
of those things where you expected seeing what he was
doing on tape, the way he's playing at and just
kind of to get off he's got. You knew he
was going to put up flashing numbers. Looking in to
see it live in person was super cool. And then
Iman Worri too the Safety out of South Carolina also
had an incredible combine performance over the three days. He's
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kind of getting the athleticism Derwin James comp. I don't
want to call him Derwin James because I don't necessarily
think he's that level of prospect, but athletically that's what
he's kind of looking like.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
That's one of my guys, Jade Royles. I'll get to
that in a SEGM. What'd you think of Nojo hank
landon Jackson out there? You know, testing pretty well? You know,
I think he's pretty limited. He really is like a
right defensive end and you know what a forty three.
I think he's kind of pigeonholed as that, but certainly
levitated with a forty and a half inch vertical.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, No, it's san and especially going from I know
a lot of the uh like the NBA common they're
able to get the step in in the hop to
kind of hit those forty inches. Seeing guys like Lynn
and Jackson, like you said, he's had like what two
seventy to maybe two sixty five being able to jump
up that is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, the no O Hank comparison is like spot on.
It really is kind of ridiculous how much he looks
like him.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
It really does. He looks like he haats stunt double
for him and the show Barry, which is a great show.
If you guys haven't seen that, you should. You should
watch that with Bill Hayter. You mentioned Jade Royles at
somebody I've been kind of you know, maybe maybe a
little tap in the table, maybe not bang in the table,
but taping the table a little bit for I don't
think the Broncos should be heavy on on wide receivers
a free agency. I don't think they should be looking
for receivers at the front of the draft. But a
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guy like Royals who might be there, maybe maybe in
the fourth round, you kind of hope, you know, if
he gets there, would you would that be somebody you
would want the Broncos to bring in as kind of
a slot guy and maybe he could play a little
bit of disease.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, oh, one hundred percent. I honestly think he kind
of looks like he'll played the Z the best out
of all the spots. I think he could go. And
I mean, you've already got kind of your outside threatened son.
He gonna be playing as your ex I think, you know,
they showed that Marvin Minm's had his best production in
the slot. I still think he can kind of work
is kind of playing a little bit of inside out,
but it seems like that's kind of the spot he's
going to get next year, rotating with Savon Valley. That
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they've got this kind of that big slot option, So
I think having him kind of be a little bit
of that, just a little bit of a difference maker,
kind of a little bit of a different pitch, if
you will, that they've got right now, I think would
be absolutely perfect in the receiver room.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Some of the other guys out there I thought look
pretty good to Mario and Hampton, who's been a man
crushed of mind for a while. What do you think
of this supposedly loaded running back class and are there
any names there that you particularly want the Devil Broncos
to be looking at.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So you mentioned Hampton, I'd be I was a really
big fan of Hampton. I know, obviously Javonte Williams is
fresh in the mind of a lot of Broncos fans
in North Carolina. Backs Hampton isn't that kind of player.
He is a very downhill runner, but I actually enjoyed
his running stettle bit more. He's a bit faster to
kind of get into where he needs to go, and
I also kind of liked his ability as a receiver
as well. I thought Basual Tutin is another guy that
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I really liked out of Virginia Tech. He tested really
well for Shard Smith, who's I remember if he's the
converter ride receiver. He used to play ride receiver a
little bit. But when we talked about that, you know
the buzzword in Denver right now, that joker role. I
think he's kind of a guy that you could look
at in those middle rounds as hey. I think he
can do a lot of the route running stuff that
they don't have out of the backfield right now. So
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he's an exciting name to keep an eye on too.
But like you said, I mean the list goes on
and on and on in field like and it's one
of those things where on day three, when they've got
all those sixth round picks, there's the chance that every
single time they're on the board, it's like, oh man,
there's a good back available that we thought was going
to be gone on, you know, in the third, fourth round.
Do we kind of make that swing again? And they
can really kind of build up this room from the
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ground up.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Talk you with Frankie Abbott at Frankie's film on Twitter.
As as we look at the you know, you talked
about the joker thing. A lot of the tight End
room has been associated with that, and looking at some
of these picks, I think a lot of people were eyeballing.
Gunner help, a guy who was coached by r O.
Dave Logan, had a bit of a poor workout, although
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he injured himself and severely injurediself rather and then still
elected to try to work out through it and once
that injury, heels probably get numbers more closer to what
he performed on the field. But another local guy, ferguson
the tight End up there in Oregon really kind of
put on a show.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, he was actually a guy we got to talk
to you down and mobile still when we were at
the Senior Bowl. And he's a guy that really can
do a little bit of everything. I mean when we
talk about a guy that can kind of move all
over the formation, he can kind of develop a little
bit more as an inline blocker. But I do think
he has the capabilities to at least be serviceable in
a role like that. But yeah, like you said, I mean,
he tested his ass off be an incredible weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, I mean I thought, you know, I mean his play.
You know, I don't know that looking at that that
I'm spending an early pick there. But the athleticism, the
test of athleticism certainly seemed to indicate that he's a
guy that that could probably be something at the NFL
level when you look at that tight end position, shod
the any guys that you really really want the Denver
Broncos to be in on.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I mean, it's funny you mentioned him. I'm still a
very big fan of Gunner. Hell, I know, kind of
it seems like, I don't know, consensus might be a
little bit lower on him. I know, the testing really
ended up hurting him but he's a guy. When I
look at just kind of someone with really soft hands
over the middle, I don't think that they need to.
I would kind of rather than look in free agency
to get one of those move tight ends unless you're
able to get obviously someone like maybe Tyler Warren at
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the top of the draft, or like you know, someone
more like Loveland who you really thinking kind of do
a little bit of both. I think, you know, Juwan
Johnson's a guy that comes up where you talk about, Okay,
here's kind of a I don't think you're gonna have
to really expend a super high pick on him, but
you're still able to kind of get that guy in
the room. And then, like I said, a guy like
Gunner Helm that you can maybe get. I don't know
if he's still gonna be around like round two, round three,
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but a guy even getting kind of those mid to
you know, maybe early later rounds. And I think he
kind of rejects as well as kind of everything he
can do a little.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Bit of it all.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I really liked his play over the middle of the field, Blake,
I said, just down Sawton zone coverages. That's why like
watching him kind of, you know, even with the injury
not test super well. This wasn't the guy I was
really expecting to test super well. His game is really
based around, like I said, having a very big catch radius,
being able to find the right spots, sit down and coverage,
and then just kind of make plays after the catch.
(10:17):
So I think a guy like him would be absolutely fantastic.
And then I know Elijah Arroyo, even though he's a
guy who didn't test, he'd be fantastic as well, just
because of how much upset he has athletically talking.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
With Frankie Avid Frankie's film on Twitter. You guys want
to check that out, go follow him. It's a good
follow to UH to be following. I follow him. When
when you look at this quarterback class and he's considered
a down class, it's it's kind of shaking out. The
caboard is probably gonna be the first one taken. There's
a lot of UH, I would say backwards hype on
Shoud or Sanders seems to be the guy that's falling
(10:48):
out a favor. You look at various different reasons. We'll
get to those here in a little while, but the
QB freeze probably Jackson Dart and then after that it's
anybody's gas. Is there anybody else in this class that
you've sort of got an eye on that maybe in
the late rounds somebody could could grab and turn into something.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean, the Cord's the guy I haven't hated just
because he projects I think really well. Is kind of
that quality backup. And that's not at all me trying
to insult him. You know that, I think being able
to have a guy that can come in and I
think be a part of your franchise for however long,
and I think will kind of continue to get contracts.
It's because I think he does a lot of the stuff,
you know, working concepts that you want to see. But
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outside of that, like you said, I know, I know
was a shuck show. Is kind of a guy that
a lot of people like Will Howard, I know, had
an ugly combine, but I like when I watched those,
you know, the playoff run for Ohio State, there are
a lot of guys having great performances and he was
one of them. So a team might end up kind
of linking himselves to that, but not really anyone I
want to hang my hat on this year super hard.
(11:48):
It's like you said, it's a little bit of an
confusing coass kind of trying to piece it out into Okay,
which one of these guys that we think is actually
going to be able to translate and progress a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I'm talking with frankiea Frankie down there at the Senior Bowl.
I want to switch to the defensive side of the ball.
One of the one of the guys I happened to
notice kind of jumped out at me was another Oregon player, Bossa,
the linebacker. Ye know, anytime you get to a situation
like that where you got the best of the best
at an events and you see a guy that's sort
of taking charge and Bossu really did that line of
guys up. You know, he was basically doing the green
(12:19):
dot thing before they even, uh, they were even doing
any that kind of stuff. Uh. It kind of stands
out to me. Was there anybody from the defensive side
of the bowl that stood out to you as somebody
the Broncos may want to add?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So, I mean, I know, the defensive line is kind
of somewhere they're going to need to really look at,
well not really look at, but somewhere I'd like them
to look at. You'll get how they got kind of
dominated in the Buffalo game, just getting pushed over on
the ground. I think a guy like Jamari Caldwell, who
didn't necessarily test the best. He's a very large dude,
but kind of seeing how he operated in the onfield
drills was incredible. I think he would be a perfect,
(12:51):
you know, two gaping nose tackle for them. He'd be
a guy'd be really interested. I know Ty Robinson, a
guy from Nebraska, had a pretty had a great combine.
He's a guy who's tape I didn't fall in love with,
but he could be a possibility to know. And then
outside of those two, I mean, the safety conversation is interesting.
I know a man war is probably gonna be someone
that a lot of people are interested in. He's not
(13:12):
necessarily someone I love for dvance just because I really would.
I think he's going to project best to be kind
of playing in the box, kind of having that kind
of singular role, whereas I would really like them to
kind of go after a guy that, like we see
Brandon Jones do do a little bit of everything. We
want to be able to play you in man coverage.
We want to be able to blitz you. We want
to be able to put you in the box and
have you played deep, whether it's a split high set
(13:33):
or just single high. So I think a guy like
Malati starts would be incredible if they end up having
a first round pick where he ends up sliding a
little bit, just because you know, sometimes we see safeties
do that a little bit. He could be a really
interesting option.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, Frankie, I appreciate the time this evening. Look forward
to reading what you put out on Twitter. You guys
shoul follow him at Frankie's film. That's Frankie Abbott. Appreciate
you money. Go have a fruity drink on me.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I appreciate you man, Thanks for having me up.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
All right. Take care of Frankie Habitt, who we keep
giving him grief because when we were down there in
Inmobile at the in Alabama it's the Senior Bowl, we
went to a went to a kind of a famous
beer and bourbon bar. Uh there, Frankie had some drink
became in like a little champagne glass kind of thing,
(14:20):
and uh, he was you know, I was like, what
are you what are you even doing here? Like go
get yourself something that tastes like gasoline and go sit down,
and uh, it was. It became a subject of mirth
because then you know, it was getting the next round.
I'm like, I'm not going up there and ordering whatever
that was. I'm not I'm not ordering that. Not having
them look at me sideways. I'm guilty of the same
(14:40):
thing as Frankie. I gotta be honest. I get the
I'm a rum guy, so I get a lot of
the tropical So drink a mohedo that's still a men's drink. Yeah,
but you know, I like seeing what they got on
the menu or whatever. Tell me something about like vanilla,
cotton candy, vodka or something almost the glass. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I did. I did one time, embarrassingly go out with
a group of friends in order, you know, whatever they
had on the menu, and it came out in like
a whole treasure chest situation, and like there were sparklers, and.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I was like, please, please, can we not do this?
Can we just have the liquid? That's all I'm really
looking for here. Yeah, that's the Oh my goodness, that's
that's great. That's that's absolutely great. Yeah it was. I
don't know, it's some kind of Drea and it came
like this, you know, just like little champagne kind of
you know fing and I'm like most dainty martini, right,
and I'm looking at this thing. I'm like, what did
(15:32):
you order? Like, what did you what did you even get?
You know, what do you tell them to get? Right?
That's what I'm saying, Like what did you go to
the bar and say? You know, they just because that
glass is not being displayed anywhere, like they had to
go get special stemware for you to make whatever this
thing is. And uh and he's look at these would
you get an old fashioned like a man? Oh? But
(15:56):
it was. It was great and he, to his credit,
just kept drinking them like he did not He did
not waiver, did not bend it up out up here
brush at all. He just kept doing his thing. Frankie
is a dead sat Nan. He is. He is stubborn.
If nothing else. Oh, I love that, you know, if
you gotta figure like you got to sit there and
take it, you know, getting made fun of, but the
fact that you stuck with it. And I was like,
(16:16):
at least you're not ordering like smere off ice or
something Broncos Country and might be back after this. That's
all right here with these xt segers back there behind
the glass. Thank you to Frankie Amitt for joining us
in the last segment and Frankie's film on Twitter. Missed
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Monday night. Thank you guys for sticking with us. By
the way, Kansas Hadding hit a field goal in like
some a few minutes I was watching un You know
that is a team that uh wow. Yeah, I know
CU's having a rough year, but Kansas is kind of
by their standards, having a rough year as well. Just yeah,
it's it's interesting to me how Anil sort of shifted
(17:47):
the power dynamics in multiple sports, you know, and some
of the blue bloods, you know. I think Nick say
people were talking about Saban's shocking retirement and all that
kind of stuff. What happened. I didn't think it was
that shocking. I think that he knew that the dynamic
was changing and that he was going to be unable
to compete in the new paradigm. The ways that Nick
(18:12):
Saban had done things over the years was going to
make it improbable or impossible for him to maintain his
choke hold on college football, and so he chose to
get out while the getting was good, and more power
to him. Five six six Nimes Zeros text line, You
guys want to get involved in the conversation. The sev
(18:33):
one nine says, regarding Frankie's drink choices, to drink bourbon
until you like it. I'm with you. Several questions coming
in on the text line that I do want to
get to. One is their potential for the first round
pick to be used on defense. Who do you think
that would be? Well, let me let me say this,
we're picket at twenty. There's it's going to be a
(18:55):
little tougher to call this year simply because there's really
only twelve blue chip prospects in this draft, and then
after that, the difference between the guys from like thirteen
out to Honor, like the talent gap is is not
that not that big, right, So there's gonna be a
lot of guys that are viewed differently by different teams,
(19:21):
And so that's gonna make I think a lot of
the mock drafts after like twelve this year like eat
way more high variants than normal. I think. I think
it's tough to say as far as defense goes. I mean,
if there's a defensive lineman or an elite safety and
one of those picks tumbles down to twenty because teams
(19:43):
were loading up on quarterbacks or running backs or whatever.
Then you know, that might push somebody into our lap,
you know, and that might be the way to go.
I don't know who that player would be at this point.
We're still pretty early in that process. So you know,
that's one of those things like as time goes on,
(20:03):
we'll get we'll get closer and closer, we'll get a
little bit more clarity on the way things are shaking out.
I would say at this point, the Broncos could do
anything in the first round. I mean, the one thing
I do not expect them to do as a wide
receiver and obviously quarterback, but they could do anything there.
It really just depends on, you know, what kind of
falls in their lap at that point. And so I
(20:25):
don't believe they'll trade up. I don't believe that's in
the cards. But I do believe that they'll sort of
just kind of wait and let the draft come to
them and whatever whatever picks are there, you know, kind
of look through and see if they can get best
player available, whether that's a running back, a tight end,
defensive lineman, free safety, libbick, whatever, whatever the case may be.
(20:47):
I think that's the right way to go about it.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
They're still building the foundation of this team, and I think,
for as good as last season was, for as many
promising pieces you have at all these different positions, you
can make a case for a first round pick at
just about any of those positions, except for quarterback and cornerback.
Probably you know those two.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
You'd probably write off his poor decisions.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
If they drafted a first round quarterback or cornerback, anything
else I could justify.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I think it's well within reason. I wouldn't be surprised
if corner was on the menu. Just is is that
a thing with like Riley Moss's. I don't think it
has to do with Moss. I'm talking in the first round. Yeah,
I wouldn't. I mean, if they go corner, I'll put
it you this way. I would. I would suggest that
they would be much much more likely to take a
(21:31):
corner than a receiver, significantly more like Wow, can I
guess the name? I don't have a name. I'm just
saying that, as this team goes, I suspect that they
would be significantly more likely to take a corner than
a receiver early. That's interesting, Like a John A. Barn
Nickel type you think, or just any type that's you're
(21:52):
hitting the nail on the head as far as the area. Okay,
but I think that I think again, I'll just say
it that way. Like I genuinely do not believe that
they are in on receiver early. I'm not sure that
they are in on corner early, but they are vastly
more likely to take a corner early than a receiver. Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Well, still, I think even to what we're just saying,
I think you can make a case even for like
a first round nickel or something, this team could use
talent at just about anywhere, even if it's depth.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, and the way I always phrase it is this
is just draft good players. You draft good players, You're
gonna mess around and have a good team. You know,
like they like that's just no. I know that's reductive.
But at the end of the day, if you just
keep drafting good players, you're gonna you know, you're gonna
wake up and find this you got a good team.
Ask the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, they over invested in those positions with like Jordan
Davis and Jalen Carter and now those guys are the.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Next wave and they are just ready to go.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Cam Jurgen's you know, you have the greatest center of
all time, maybe you still make a point to invest
in a second round center, and now they're able to
keep on rolling even despite that Hall of Famer retiring.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, and that's you know, I mean, at the end
of the day, you can you can draft on strength
and still and still make it work. I don't believe again,
I don't believe they'll trade up. I do not believe
that's in the cards. Maybe if an elite player gets
like within two spots where they're drafting, that kind of thing.
But I really really don't believe they're going to trade up,
(23:16):
trade back. If they had the right partner and got
the right picks back, maybe, But this is gonna be
a tough to draft to trade back in because everybody's
gonna want to be traded back, and you're gonna have
to find a partner that's willing to do that. So
I suspect they'll be picking at twenty and I suspect
that you know, it'll be you know, gauging what falls
into their lap and kind of going from there. I
(23:37):
do want to talk a little bit about shad Or Sanders,
because I've been teasing this for a little while, and
I'll tell you an opinion on him. Around the league's
he's split. There are people that really like him and
there are people that really don't. And some of the
meetings that he's had, you know, I've talked to two
people who are in those in those rooms, and there
are times where they're like, man, he's just a different guy.
(23:59):
He comes from a different background. There were guys that
said he came across those meetings is disinterested or unrelated, unrelatable.
There are guys that from other meetings were like, yeah,
he was great. So I don't know if it's a
strategic tanking of certain things to not go to certain teams,
or if maybe the people in those rooms simply don't
know how to relate to somebody who has been around
(24:22):
is the son of Deon Sanders, It's the son of
a megastar, has been a quarterback in his better and
in the Anil era. You know, I don't want to
say that Schudor has a sense of entitlement, because you know,
I don't know that, but it is certainly that the
prediiction for that exists. As somebody who comes from wealth
and has had wealth thrust upon him, his entire life,
(24:43):
you know, And so I think that there are some
people that are reading the room wrong on that. And
then I think there are some ways in which he
is probably not relatable. He's not a person who's ever
had to struggle for anything. You know, there are some
funny narratives, Oh, he would have you know, Jackson said, yeah,
he was a you know, he's a four star athlete
who had a five star receiver. Went to HBCU. Of
(25:04):
course they were tearing it up. The question was could
they come to Colorado do the same thing, and they
largely did. They didn't you know, in terms of production,
and they win games, but they you know, in terms
of production, yeah, I and Travis they produced. You know,
you can't really argue with that. So I think that
a lot of the people in these meetings and in
these rooms, I think you have to sort of recalibrate
(25:28):
the way that you look at their answers, because you're
talking to someone who's never had who's never had to
scrap for anything. He's never known. There's never been a
point in should do or Sander's life where he's not
known where his next meal is coming from. You know,
there's never been a point where where financial uncertainty loomed
(25:51):
as a specter over his family and he had to
put that on his back. So I say that works
both ways. One that makes them a little unrelatable to
people who've had that, But on the flip side, it
also makes his own drive a little bit different. Some
people play with the chip on the shoulder because they
have to, because they're hungry. They have to. They gotta,
I gotta go out and do this or we're not
gonna eat. Right, Well, what does this say about a
guy who performs at that level without having to have
(26:14):
that motivation? Right? He's doing it of his own so
motivated self stark right, So it's it's a given a
take there. There's there's a positive and a negative there
as far as that stuff goes. But there's there's been
a multitude of people who at this point have made
note of how different he is. Whether you consider that
good or bad in the interview process, I just think
(26:37):
it's to be expected.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
This is Deon Sanders kid, And of course, you know
we're talking about one of the most famous, wealthiest athletes
of his era.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
That's definitely a factor.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
But it's also Deon Sanders it's prime time that's going
and it's not like Colorado's been at a lack of
documentation over these past few years. We know these characters'
personalities and Shador I think he's very likable, but he's
also fairly abrasive. We've seen the trash talk between m
and cam Ward, those clips leaking out.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I don't think that's surprising.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
That said, I don't think this is super uncommon when
we're talking about a top of the draft quarterback who
doesn't necessarily need this. You like John Elway he had
the Yankees. He obviously pushed back on the Colts. Eli
Manning didn't necessarily need that. He pushed back on the
Chargers drafting him. I think this is more similar to
(27:30):
those cases than you know, if Jared Goff were to
do this, right, I think there's and there's something to
him being sort of advanced because he's seen or dealt with,
or watched his father deal with, or been coached by
his father in how to deal with certain situations before
it even occurs to other people, right, because of the
(27:50):
situation that he comes from.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
So you know, I don't want to knock I don't
want to sit here and just just dump on him.
But I do want to say that there is this
is popping up as a common criticism that in these
meetings it's not the same as it is with some
of the other guys, And I think that that's simply
because he just has a wildly different background. You're right,
he doesn't need it. He's also never he's never experienced adversity,
(28:13):
like he's never had to, right, Like what adversity Ishie
or Sanders ever overcome other than playing behind, frankly a
garbage offensive line out there. It's the U. But I mean, like,
what personal adversity he's never had, you know, a stretch
of four to six games where we're just losing our
butts off and it's my fault.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Maybe early in the season when it's I think they
were one in three or what was it, two and three,
it looked like the season was maybe starting to go
south right after that Nebraska game, and I would say
he didn't handle that adversity. Well, that's when he made
the quote about his offensive line. So I think that's
definitely concerning. Maybe you could make an argument like last
year six and six team had some adversity, but he
(28:53):
hasn't been seeing a lot of adversity on the field,
maybe something like Travis Hunter taking that dirty hit against
the car State last year and he runs down the
field to get in the mud, but like you're reaching
for straws at that point.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, I just think he's a guy who's not ever
had I'm curious as to how he reacts to those
kinds when he when he hits a personal impediment, how
he acts because he just really hasn't had that some
of the other concerns that are out there. And I
went to dinner with an NFL head coach and GM
I think it was Monday night, and I had a chat,
(29:29):
an interesting chat with him, and one of the things
that they laid out his house and teams are concerned
about Dion Sanders and the role that he could play.
Because if you're the coach of some team and I'm
gonna pick a team at random, let's just say that.
Let's say the Giants, right, Let's say the Giants. You
know you're the Giants. You guys, should you draft to
shoot or Sanders? You bring him out to your playing Also,
(29:51):
your teams struggling. Right, You're six games into the season,
You're one and five or two and four, you're struggling.
It's apparent that the offensive line is still in fai.
You know that kind of thing. And how much sway
is a guy with a megaphone that big, A guy
who can go on literally any media outlet at any
(30:11):
time because he has those connections, A guy who is
a very large megaphone of his own through his own
social media. And what if he starts putting the team
on blast, shed or talk to him about, you know,
on the phone about something, and all of a sudden,
he's the de facto guy putting the offensive line on blast.
He's putting the game planning on blast, of coaching on blast,
(30:32):
the general manager, the front office. That's a pretty big megaphone.
And that's a guy who can, like I said, he
can go on any show at any time and do
that and it will be the headline that day. And
there are concerns from NFL teams about the sort of
you know you always hear about helicopter parents with this
guy might actually arrive in a helicopter. You know, it's
(30:53):
there's a there's a he's sort of concerned that, hey,
look if hitting the slump all of a sudden, Dion's
out there putting us on blast. We may not survive that.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
And he wouldn't even have to go out of his
way to do it. He's going to have several media
availabilities a week beyond. Like, yes, he could call up
stephen A at any point and be like, hey, I'd
love to come on first take this week, and he's there.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, you know Menapi or you know any of the
bar because he used to do a barstool stuff, or
you know, and he was buddies over atn NFL Network
or any that kind of stuff. I mean, he literally
has those types of connections.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
And you think about the opposite, like a player like
Drew Locke here in Denver, Drew locks Dad had no
ability to gripe through the media when you know Teddy
Bridgewater got the starting job over him or whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
In that competition. Yeah, that competition training it which was stacked.
I mean it was. It was absolutely a sham competition.
Whether or not you ultimately wanted Teddy or Drew, I
will tell you that competition was the biggest sham I
have ever seen in mile. It was hilarious how obvious
Vic Fangio and Pat Shermer were in stacking the deck
that Teddy bridge Old was going to be the guy, right. Yeah,
(32:00):
have a situation like that, you know, and then you've
got a parent who has the ability to jump on
any media outlet in America or just drop something on
Twitter and it's the story of the day.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And I think there's an attitude of well, should or
should just you know, tell them to not do that
or whatever? And I heard the sports writer, I think
it was Dany Heifitz put it really well, like, have
you ever tried to tell your dad not to do
something or to do something? Have you ever tried to
make your dad do something that you wanted them to do?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
It's not a shoe into work. Yeah, And so that's
sort of the thing. So there are NFL teams that
are legitimately concerned with sort of the idea that Dion
Sanders could sit there and put Coach Brau could sit
there and put them on blast and you know, shake
their job security when they're trying to work through things.
(32:50):
That is a thing that they're factoring into this evaluation.
And so I find that fascinating. I mean, you know,
I was talking with Nick Ferguson, he was on the
K Sports show earlier and we were talking for the
show and I was saying Nick was was saying, well,
you know, you just go out and prepare your quarterback,
right and you never have to worry about that. I'm like, well,
I mean in theory, yes, but if you're not performing,
you know, somebody's going to catch the blame there. And
(33:11):
I don't think Dion's gonna sit out there tweeting about
his son, you know, taking the blame on stuff. So
you know, just just something to kind of sort of
keep your eye on as the situation evolves, fairly or unfairly.
There is the concern about the you know, the code
of the helicopter com parent component of this, and you
know he might be the one parent who literally could
arrive in a helicopter. So you know, just just something
(33:32):
to kind of keep your eye on. Broncos Country and
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