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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Talking a little bit about free agency, obviously, with the
Broncos have done so far, I love these defensive signings.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
They take a good defense and they make it great.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
You've upgraded the safety position, You've added more athleticism at
the linebacker position. Both those guys are not afraid to
square up and hit, and we've seen them play at
an exceptionally high level.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
They've been to Super Bowls before.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
With the forty nine ers, we now have a forty
nine er on every level of the defense. They resigned
DJ Jones, someone that I did not believe they'd get
that done. You know, they bring Drake green Lawy in,
They they get Hoffy there at the at the safety.
You've got a forty or forty nine ers defender at
every level of the defense there And what does that
tell you, ben forty nine ers to produce good defenses.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yes they do, and Vance understands that and so does
George Peyton. And last season the defense was kind of
the catalyst to the success of the team all season.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
That the outcome of the record.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Now and the defense didn't do it by themselves, obviously,
it's ultimate team sport, but they played a big hand
and helping the team get to this point and ideas
that you continue to retool and build upon that, and
that they did. But also with Hufunga coming in and
being partner with Brandon Jones and now PJ. Locke's gone
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to that reserve role now still gives them the depth
that they need without having to go in the draft
with the guy who already has planned experience. Now, the
only thing is will this be the year j L.
Skinner actually emerge and really show who he is?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So that part is going.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
To be important that will and you know, I think
I know that they had high hopes for him. Last
year at the combine, George Peyton wouldn't stop talking about
what they had hoped would be the growth of Jail Skinner.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You know, a guy who you go back and watch the.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
College tape and that was a monster on here was
a record crew, you know, blowing people up, and they
hope that would.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Translate to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And he has on special teams, but it hasn't really
gotten into you the you know, the defense and heavy
rotation there. What will it take for him to be
able to do that, especially now that you're paying two
guys in Brandon Jones and and Huffey over there? How
are you how if you're trying to break back into there?
And what do you do if your PJ Lock?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well, first of all, for Jail, he just has to
remain competitive because things going into his third year, things
have not worked out the.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Way that he might have wanted or predicted.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But once again that the scales, odd enough, are still
tipping hill in his favor. Because the guy in front
of him, PJ Lock, that becomes the competition.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Right, can you beat that guy out?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Now, the idea of leap frogging past PJ and getting
to Brandon Jones Skinner would have to do something out
of this world for that to happen. Let's just keep
it one hundred. But he still has an opportunity to
compete for that particular spot.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
That has to be his motivation.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
And if he's competing with PJ for that backup safety spot,
that means he's still on the roster. And as long
as you're still on the roster, you have an opportunity
because it's hard to compete for a job and you're
on the opposite side of that fence looking in at
the field opposed to being on the side where the
players are, so he has an opportunity, but he has
to take that next step. What would it take for
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him showing as though he's dialed in and he understands
every intricate.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Detail about the defense.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
You've been in this defense for a while, so either
you're getting better or you're getting worse.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And usually this.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Is around the time that that guys inside the builders
started to recognize and say, Okay, well, yeah, I think
I think he's getting to that point where he gets
it or you know what, coach. Yeah, when they sit
in that that that room with that long table, rectangular table,
someone's looking at Champagne and they may say, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
What, I don't know?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, I mean it does you get to you. There's
a couple of years. You get that first year, we're like, okay,
he's a rookie, right, but he's got skills.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
He gotta let us.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Then he gets that second year, you're like, okay, well,
you know he might get there. He's got to, you know,
he's got to he shows some flash this year, and
you get to that third year and it has and
everybody's like, come on now.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, at this point, it's not about flashing. It's about
can you assert yourself serves to the front and take
over because even though you may be a backup, and
in this case, he is behind PJ.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Lott.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
For me, ideas, leaders lead, right, So you can't look
at yourself and say, okay, well.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
They bring in new funga, Now I'm deeper on the
depth chart. No, leaders lead.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
If you think that that's a spot and that you
deserve and it you've earned that, go take it. And
by you having that attitude, it will make the defense
and the offense better in that same regard.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, and I think that's I think that's the way
to the way to approach that five.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Six, six, nine years of text line.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You guys want to get involved in the conversation you mentioned
you want to talk about some arcade viewpoints that are
being changed.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, you know the idea is that can they be changed?
And I know all things are relatives, which.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Which specific ones you talking about?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, I'm thinking okay with the running back position. When
I was growing up, that was a position that was
praised and everyone was just like hand the ball off
with you know, three y'alls in a cloud or dust.
Now things have progressed where it's all about the passing game.
But this past year we've seen some teams get back
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to that idea of getting their running backs involved in
a massive way and not just handing it off to them,
but also throwing it to them out of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And we look at the Giant.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Situation and their unwillingness to give Saquon Barkley his bag,
only watch him to go to Philadelphia and get his bag.
And Saquan is thinking that maybe the season he had
and the payday and extencion he received from the Eagles,
maybe it may be enough to change opinions of certain people.
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I know Jeffrey Louis and Howwie Roseman have definitely changed
their mind.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
We got to take a pause here real quick.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
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Speaker 1 (06:50):
We're talking about attitudes on Saquon Barkley and just the
running backs in general, because I think the league is
sort of pivoting back to the relay events of the
running back. We've seen running backs get sure shifted in
terms of getting paid all those Saqua better on himself
and ultimately got that contract from from Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
But I think there's also.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
A pivot within the league back toward drafting running backs
earlier in an attempt to get that fifth year option
and maybe then you know, the franchise tag you can
cost control of running backs entire career at this point,
and it seems like teams are pivoting back to that,
which in a way is sort of detrimental to the
running back market, you know in and of itself, and
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you and obviously work with the NFLPA probably have a
better clue on that. But like to me, I'm like
teams are pivoting back to prioritizing them in the draft
at least, so at least that's something.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Well, well, they're prioritizing them in the draft because the
idea is that you get a young back, and if
you have multiple young backs on your team, they're interchangeable.
You got complimentary backs now, and now you can figure
out which guy you want to pay, which guy you
don't want to let, what guy want and with that
you have options. So now you don't have to give
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the guy a bag out of desperation like someone may
feel that they've given that Philadelphia did with Saquon Barkley.
And I know there's an idea that running backs are
fall off turnam trucks, And for me, I don't look
at all running backs the same. I mean, just because
you're a running back doesn't necessarily mean that you are
Derrick Henry.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You are a Saquon Barkley. I mean you are James Cook.
So for me, that.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Conversation needs to be expanded because you got some very
talented running backs.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
But because the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Is it's based on group think, and sometimes it's hard
to get outside the group thing because an individual don't
want doesn't want to be that team to reset the market.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Just think about what Andrew Berry did with.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
The Cleveland Browns and Deshaun Watson, right, and it was like, okay,
well he did that with Deshaun, and the.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Costa Baltimore was like, well, we're not about to.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Do that with Lamar or down in Arizona with Kyler Murray.
I will tell you that there were owners around the
NFL that were pissed at Jimmy Haslam for giving the
thumbs up to allow Andrewberry to do do that.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yes, that's exactly kind of the idea of okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
We don't want them to do that. But and I
know if that's a rowcase.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
With Deshaun Watson because there was a lot of things
that were going on at that time off the field
that had nothing to do with football. But for me,
at the same time, I look, I say, well, judge
each individual player by their own merit.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Don't get into this group stink, right.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Because the group think has propelled the quarterback to the
top of the food chain.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And let me know, Ben, if you know something that
they don't.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I've never seen a quarterback, you know, Hall of Fame quarterback,
even Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, that the great Joe Montaigne.
I've never seen any of those guys win a football
game by themselves. So why would you eliminate the running back?
Think about the Broncos for a second there, What have
they been missing? What are they trying to do this
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year to make their team much better? They're trying to
go out and get a running back. So for me,
I hope that the group think doesn't continue to drive
down their dollar value in a production of these players
running backs because and these guys are so awesome.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I'm curious as to where it goes because the league
obviously had spread out to more wide receivers, lighter defenses,
and we're sort of seeing a pivot back to a
little bit of a little bit more heavy usage, twelve
personnel usage.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
We're seeing heavier running backs.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Obviously Derek Henry, Sinqua Barkley, you know, headline that, but
we were sort of seeing maybe a pivot back to
that simply the physics of the game.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And I don't know. I guess I find that fascinating
because it's.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Been the golden era of passing, and I don't think
that passing is going away by any stretch of the imagination.
But with the RPOs and building in run and pass
concepts into the same play, we're really starting to see
kind of a golden era of almost total football.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
With all due respect to Dutch soccer.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, yeah, because when you talk about RPOs, well, part
of the definition of RPO run option exactly. Well, John
Brulin call it ridiculous pass option that is something entirely different.
But you are relying on opening the pass passing game
by using a fake with the run, which is similar
basically what it is. It's play action, just looking entirely different.
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But you're utilizing the fact in the disguise of hemming
the ball up to a running back to draw up
the second level of defenders and maybe even third level defenders.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
To open up things in the passing game.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
So with that, there is value with the run back
running back position.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Now, I'm not saying every team should.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Give their running backs the deal that Saquon has.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I'm not saying that, But all I'm saying is that.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
The running backs play an intricate role in the passing
game through the threat of the run, So you just
can't kick those guys to the side.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Right, And we've certainly seen how that has been invaluable
the careers of Alvin Kamara or Christian McCaffrey whatever, with
running back being able to carve that that niche and
uh and I would venture that they're both kind of
jokers since that term gets thrown around quite a bit,
even though Christian McCaffrey never played for Sean Payton. And
and we've sort of seen how that the short pass,
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whether it's swings, choice routes, whatever, has become an extension
of the run game in a way.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, it has.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And I dare any offensive coordinator would that title genius
or not?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
So pass sixty times a game. See what happened to
your quarterback?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, Ryan Grubb did that and he got fired up
there in Washington.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
You know, smap and out. Neither of them in Seattle anymore,
you know.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So that's it's yeah, I mean, you can't like it,
just there is a a sense to it's it's funny
because you watch the analytics people and they'll tell you
it makes more sense to pass the ball, right, It
just makes more sense.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That's how you matriculate the ball down the field at
a high rate, of course, but.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You know that those are those numbers are obtained within
the context of previous offense is that have run the ball.
And so the more you pass, does it create something
that's less effective as you keep doing it?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I e. Let me pick an example.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
You know how they take of you if you take
certain antbiotics and to become not effective.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Right, Yes, they work because you can't do anybody whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
So the more you do something, the league starts to
get used to it, then it becomes less effective, right well, And.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
This is why we always talk about complimentary football having
a balance attack. That's why it's so vital and it's
so important that there are certain teams when you watch
them around the league, and you can tell by the
way that they deploy their offense and their play call them.
There's some teams that have that you know, old school
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way of thinking where you use your running backs to
open up and create space in the passing game and
they run to pass the ball right And mentally, I
look at it from that point from a defensive perspective,
but then there's others thing to pass the ball, to
run the ball right, And if you're gonna have that
philosophy passing the run, your guys better to be able
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to hold up on the edge as far as your
tackles are concerned.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And when you start to throw the ball, your guys
cannot drop balls. They can't drop passes. If they do,
now you're in third and long.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Situations, right, and so then you're right back to where
you started philosophically. So, uh, I do think that that's
you know, for me, that's sort of fascinating.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I think that.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You know that there are different types of ways to
get these running backs involved now, you know, because you
and I came up in the I formation era of football.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You know, that's what we came up.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
You got.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
The fullback was still heavily and used to.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Not catching the ball, you know, And so you know,
it's it's sort of a fascinating evolution of the game,
I think in our era to see and it's it's
funny to me because you know, as we were coming
up through that, our our fathers had come up through
the era of a lot of option football, and you know,
and different types of of runs almost the Vincula Party
style of running trapp you know whatever the old Vinscler
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parties stuff end up game involved, and I'm just curious
just to where the game evolves next. You know, we've
calle through the golden era of passing or were pivoting.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Back to the road. I just find that stuff fastening.
I love the evolution of the game.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I don't care how much the league sells this concept
of everything being based on the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And pass past pass.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
You cannot play this game and be successful without having
somewhat of a consistent run game. But now it's great
if you have a ground attack that is just kind
of out of control, they just can't stop it no
matter what they do. But consistency is the most important thing.
And balance you need balance. Well, you know who's going
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to balance us out, Ni Cosmiter from the Athletic. When
we come back right here on Broncos Country tonight on
KA Way.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
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Speaker 4 (16:08):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
We're gonna watch to the Uka cous for the hotline though,
and bring on our good buddy at cosmid Or from
the Athletic Nick, how you doing this evening?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I actually I don't live too far from d i A.
So I just got a text from somebody saying, can
you see any any smoke? Obviously that would have to
be pretty high rising for me to be able to
detect it. But anyway, so that would literally just before
I came on if you guys have got that tech.
So no, we were.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
We were coming to you for on the spot fire coverage.
Actually that's the whole reason we had you this evening.
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
So you know, you never know, I'm versatile, That's say,
that's what you got to be in this business.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You got to be able to pivot on the pivot
on the fly. As as Nick was pointing out earlier today, Uh,
as we look at these so Broncos have made kind
of a splash here at the beginning of free agency.
You get Tray green Law, you get the NAGA at
the safety you get Sherfield as a special team's replacement
a wide receiver already get Evan ingram As is kind
of a heavy slot, you know, moved tight in whatever.
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What have you thought of the Broncos editions so far?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Yeah, you know, like then I think one of the
things you like to do after, you know, because this
stuff is such a flurry as the kind of hours
and minutes go by, we react to everything, you know,
pretty immediately. But what I've tried to do is sort
of take some like take a thousand foot view from
this a little bit as they've made these additions. And
I think the interesting thing is that like this wouldn't
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have been like a pursuit they would have been able
to do a year ago. You can't you can't do
what they've done in terms of like taking calculated risks
on guys who have great upside but they have some
clear injury risk without knowing exactly who you are and
what you're trying to do. And they couldn't say that
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at this time last year. And so I think the
idea that they they know kind of what they have,
where their strengths are, where they needed to get better.
I just think it's been you know, I try to
always look at it with a cynical view, right, because
I think that's what fans deserve of trying to trying
to just give a really objective view of it. But
I like what they've done just in terms of understanding that, like, hey, yeah,
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they one of these guys or maybe two of them
gets hurt. But what you've done now is the guys
that are behind them were starters last year on a
very good defense, and so now you've developed a depth,
You've developed an identity, and so I think these guys
are coming along in terms of green Law and Hufanga
and Ingram at a really good time, just based on
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knowing exactly where they fit, which is not always the way.
We've been able to talk about these free agents in
terms of just a very specific vision for what they're
trying to do. And I think that's where Denver has
done well.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I think I wonder if you shared the same viewpoint
as I do, because when I look at the upgrades
on I had the side of the ball who flung
the green Law and even every Ingram. The first thing
that jumped out of my mind down right, getting off
the field defensively on third down and extending third downs offensively,
do you look at the same way that these guys
are going to help the Broncos be better in third
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down production.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
And like like in a in a world where like
there's a lot of like smoke and mirrors, the Broncos
have been pretty transparent about what their biggest like you know,
concerns or frustrations with the team last year was, And
it was like inner triangle, middle of the field, third
down red zone, Like that's where they want to be better.
And and to your point, Nick, you're absolutely right, like
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that's that's where these moves have been concentrated. I sort
of dove into these numbers a little bit after the
Ingram signing offensively, you know, And again I think people
talk about the need for Denver's tight ends. I first
just want to say, I think the guys that they have,
like Nate Atkins and Adam Trubn they do what they're
supposed to do well. It's just that they're not these
guys that are supposed to necessarily go out and and
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be these big receiving threats. But they've just clearly been
missing that. Like they have twenty one third down receptions
from tight ends in the last two years. That's by
far the lowest in the league. And Evan Ingram has
thirty seven by himself and he missed eight games last year.
So it's just like, that's exactly right, that's there is
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a very specific vision of where they are trying to
improve and getting guys who do that, and green Law
and Hufonga specifically on defense, it was the same sort
of issue. Like I think the thing that's really interesting
is like you have a franchise record sixty three sacks.
When you look at teams that lead the league in it,
like lead the NFL in sacks, it's not very often
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that they then bring back ninety eight percent of that
sack percentage the next year, which is what the Broncos
are doing. The only sacks they lose from that total
is Cody Barton, who had one and a half. So
I just think they've done a lot to reload themselves
in a really good spot. And yet to your point, Nick,
much more equipped if things you know helped of course
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the part of it, but are much more well equipped
to excel on it down where they were struggling last year.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Tell me Nick cosmid or the athletic you know, one
of the things that I think people talk about all
the time is raising the floor, and the Broncos literally
did that. I mean, if you have starters as backup
last year's starters as backups now, then you've literally raised
the floor on your team. So, you know, I think
mission accomplished when it comes to that. What as we
look around, is there anything else you think that they
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really want to grab before you start to head into
the draft.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
It's a great question. And obviously, like the one guy
that's out there right now that that is capturing all
the attention of fans, and it is obviously generating a
lot of like media, social media and otherwise like attention.
Is is couper tough because he presents for a lot
of teams like this idea of like a bona fide
at this point in his career, number two wide receiver.
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You know, you could say that the Bronco's just given
the fact that Courtland Sutton had about six hundred more
yards in the next tree on the team, that that's
in options and you know, as I understand it, they've
looked at it. I think some of the stuff out
there about their interest, you know, there's just a lot
of posturing as you know very well Ben at this
kind of stage of the whole thing, so we'll have
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to kind of see where that goes. But that kind
of position, I could still see it. But they also
are now they have good leverage. They're like, they're pretty
well set in terms of, like we are equipped to
go into the season and now we just get to
like add good talent in the draft. So I don't
think they're in a positions where they need to do
anything before April rolls around and they finally have all
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of their own first four draft picks for the first
time since twenty twenty one. But if you're at to
ask me, like, if they do add yeah, they probably
want somebody that can go ahead and punt the ball.
But outside of that, like maybe another receiver if it
works out the right way. But yeah, they're in a
good spot now in terms of like they're not going
to get out leverage in any kind of negotiation.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
All right, Nick, Before I let's get out of here,
I definitely have to ask you about the Nuggets game
once fifteen to ninety five to the Timberwolves, and it
had to be the lowest point.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
In total for the Nuggets all season long.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I don't want to panic here and I don't want
to be one of those guys, But.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
What are you saying? And what happened to Jamal Murray?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, it's weird because it looked like back to the
October November version of him. I had texted somebody during
the game and I was just like, why exactly is
Jamal playing like he has two less seat right now? Like,
it was very weird based on how well he's been
playing lately, and he wasn't the only one in that
game it was. It was weird. But look, when whenever
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you lose five games in a row to a team
that you could potentially match up within the playoffs, it's
it's definitely concerned. And Malone, who is not typically one
to make excuses, I love when coaches say such and
such happened, but it's not an excuse. Well they whatever
they say before they say it's not an excuse. That
was their excuse. Again, they did that with Aaron Gordon
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and and it makes sense like they're they're obviously never
going to match up with a team as big and
physical as as Minnesota if they're not full strength. But
but again, I just I just saw some of that right,
like the lack of physicality, the lack of size to
match up with a team that really almost looks like
it was constructed to beat Denver. Obviously their architect knows
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the thing or two about Denver's roster. So it in panic, no,
because you're still in a stage of your season where you're,
you know, we don't know what the seeding is going
to look like. You're still trying to get right. But again,
I just I just look at this bench, and this
has been the thing the whole year of like who
is going to be the one that kind of overplays
their you know, their their predictions in the playoffs, Like
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that's what it's going to take for them to do
more than I think people might expect going into the postseason.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, Cosmider of the Athletic, we appreciate you as always
a brother and look forward to continuing to keep our eyees.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
So if there's any other free agent.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
News that comes along, all right, I think so much,
Take care.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Absolutely take care the Cosmier the Athletic Kawai still monitoring
the events out there at Denver National Airport. Obviously, we've
had reports of a plane catching fire out there. There's
several tweets and video out there as well, and looking
forward to any additional comment that we get on that.
If you were a witness to that and you want
to talk about that, or you had some loved one
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that was on that flight, we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Five six six nine zero as the text.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Lineer three h three someone three eighty five eighty five again,
a plane caught fire out there at DIA. Looks like
the passengers were evacuated without injury so far, but we're
looking forward to hearing more. We got Tony Manis on.
It's here in the KWA newsroom as well. Tony, do
you have something something new for us there?
Speaker 6 (25:46):
I do have some updated information for you, Benjamin. Here
is the latest. It was one hundred seventy two passengers
and a crew of six that were evacuated from that
American Airlines flight that was diverted to Denver International Airport.
It took off from Colorado Springs Airport and was headed
to Dallas Fort Worth. The airport reported an aircraft fire
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here in Denver at gate see thirty eight. American Airlines
released a statement tonight, Benjamin that said AA flight one
zero zero six experienced an engine related issue. Slides were
deployed as passengers evacuated.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
No injuries.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Well, that's good to hear. At least no one was
injured on that. We gotta figure out this air situation.
I'm a flying lately. I've been flying my whole life,
and all said, I'm a little nervously. We got we
had any trainings I can take. Thankfully, I don't have
to get out to the combine again anytime soon. I
hear the boss is fun now.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, you know what I've done that before. I'm gonna
pass on that.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, a long eighteen hours trip on a Greyhound, the
Greyhound down to the Senior bowlite because every year I
tried something different.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I took the Greyhound down to the Senior.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Bowl one year, and that might have been, with all
due respect to Greyhound, the most miserable experience of my life.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
And I'll be passing on that for the rest of
my days.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm sure, because when you make those stops, you can't
determine who's in.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
The seat next to you.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
You can't and and you can't determine when the last
time they took a shower was in some cases, so
that was Yeah, that was definitely an experience for me.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
I had a comment, but the shower shower comment got me.
I was gonna say, they do have trains that'll run.
You can get on it from Union Station, you can
take it all over the country, like.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
That's Amtrak like something like that. Yeah, well, you know,
that's that's one thing. It's weird.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
United States doesn't use trains the way like like European
countries do and all that kind of They get like
high speed rail over there. You guys are you guys
are I don't know. If it's awesome, Yeah, that's great,
but we don't have just don't have that here for
whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Because because people love to travel by airplane and say,
no matter what happens, it's still the safest way to travel,
at least that's what we've.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Been told, at least in the past.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Well, I mean people say it's the best way to travel.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
You know, most of them travel in my car.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, I mean it's it's traditionally been the you know,
safest way to travel.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
But lately it seems seems that's not the case.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
We'll keep your broadcase, or are we just noticing it more?
I don't know, porting not it more because all the
media is reporting on it.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
More could be we are the media, though, what do
you mean? What do you mean you people? I don't know. Well,
I'm not part of it people. What do you mean?
You people? See you people? And they are two entirely
different groups. What do you people?
Speaker 7 (28:28):
Yeah, what a great role from Robert Robert Downey Jr.
But I did see a stat I believe it was
last week that said air air accidents are statistically down
from this time last year.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Well, we are higher focused on it. I guess we'll
have the old latest year at KAWA.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
And obviously you want to stay tuned to Tony Mantas
the top of the hour the latest breaking updates with
the fire out to Denver International Airport on the American
Airlines flight. I don't know if you guys saw this
real quick before we get a break. Did you guys
see this back and forth? You it's some sound from
from DeMarcus Lawrence, who left the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
He's going to the the Seattlesahawks. Had some sound out there.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Michael Parsons responded on Twitter, and Lawrence has responded.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Back to him. Let's let's get to the beginning of
that with a sound.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
First, you know, Dallas is my home, made my home there.
You know my family lives there. You know I'm ever
gonna be there. But you know, I know for sure
I'm not gonna win a super Bowl there.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
So yeah, here, all right.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
So that's DeMarcus Lawrence talking about Dallas is my home,
but I know for sure I'm not gonna win a
super Bowl there.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Obviously he let it go to the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Michaeh Parsons takes the quote quote, tweets that clip and says,
this is what rejection and envy look like.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
This some clown bleep clown emoji and to.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Marcus, Lawrence replied right back to him, fired back on Twitter,
saying calling me a clown won't change the fact that
I told the truth. Maybe if you spent less time
tweeting and more time winning, I wouldn't have left a
burn him.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Wow, shots fire.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I mean, you really find out what you think of
other people? What more important, what they think about you
when you are no longer in the building.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
But truth be.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Told, and you know, you know Lawrence behalve. I mean
he is kind of right because the Cowboys have not
been relevant since what Barry Switzer was there. I think
maybe it was a Super Bowl they played against the
Pittsburgh Steelers. Everyone, even Deon Sanders was a member of
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the Dallas Cowboys. That's a long time ago. That's like
almost thirty years ago. So Lawrence is kind of right
because the Cowboys are in dis array right now. We
don't know what direction that they're going at. You got
the Commanders who are much better. You just got the
Eagles who just won a Super Bowl, and the Giants
is in somewhat of before rebuild. So look, I'm not
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saying I'm picking a side, but I understand what Lawrence
was saying.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I get it. Yeah, I think I do too. I mean,
I don't have any problem with him.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
If he felt that way, and he felt some kind
of way, that's certainly his prerogative.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I have that opinion.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I don't know what Parsons was on about, Like it
was almost like he was just standing up for the brand.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Well, yeah, of course. I mean he's still on the roster,
so he's got to stand up. And you know, he's
got his own podcast, so the back and forth actually
bleeds over into his podcast and give him some more
to talk about but this narrative will change if Michael
Parson doesn't get his money from the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
You're right, all of.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
A sudden, Parsons did to Washington talk about how you're done.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I couldn't win there either, exactly. So the tone changes.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, and Law's gonna say, see, I told you so,
but guess what I got receipts?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
What's the old saying? You leave the radio on long enough,
the tune changes. Well that you hold, I don't play
the same song back to back.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Let's it's the fourth of July and they get that
John Phillips SUSA thing going.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I've never heard that and I love it? Will you
repeat it one most time? Which hard the tune changing?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Oh yeah, he leaves radio on long enough and eventually
too change.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
That's good. Yeah, there you go from a radio professional
Grandspeth right there.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Well, the one thing I don't want to change is
your voice, because you remind me of the episode of
Friends when when Phoebe caught.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
A cold and she was singing Smelly Cat, Smelly.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Cat, and it was just so so different, so much
so that she started to lick doorknobs, tried to get
a cold Back, So just don't lick any doorknobs.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I'll try not to, Benjamin.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I'll write the remix on the voice here Kawe Broncos
Country Tonight back after this
Talking a little bit about free agency, obviously, with the
Broncos have done so far, I love these defensive signings.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
They take a good defense and they make it great.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
You've upgraded the safety position, You've added more athleticism at
the linebacker position. Both those guys are not afraid to
square up and hit, and we've seen them play at
an exceptionally high level.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
They've been to Super Bowls before.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
With the forty nine ers, we now have a forty
nine er on every level of the defense. They resigned
DJ Jones, someone that I did not believe they'd get
that done. You know, they bring Drake green Lawy in,
They they get Hoffy there at the at the safety.
You've got a forty or forty nine ers defender at
every level of the defense there And what does that
tell you, ben forty nine ers to produce good defenses.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yes they do, and Vance understands that and so does
George Peyton. And last season the defense was kind of
the catalyst to the success of the team all season.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
That the outcome of the record.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Now and the defense didn't do it by themselves, obviously,
it's ultimate team sport, but they played a big hand
and helping the team get to this point and ideas
that you continue to retool and build upon that, and
that they did. But also with Hufunga coming in and
being partner with Brandon Jones and now PJ. Locke's gone
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to that reserve role now still gives them the depth
that they need without having to go in the draft
with the guy who already has planned experience. Now, the
only thing is will this be the year j L.
Skinner actually emerge and really show who he is?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So that part is going.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
To be important that will and you know, I think
I know that they had high hopes for him. Last
year at the combine, George Peyton wouldn't stop talking about
what they had hoped would be the growth of Jail Skinner.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You know, a guy who you go back and watch the.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
College tape and that was a monster on here was
a record crew, you know, blowing people up, and they
hope that would.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Translate to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And he has on special teams, but it hasn't really
gotten into you the you know, the defense and heavy
rotation there. What will it take for him to be
able to do that, especially now that you're paying two
guys in Brandon Jones and and Huffey over there? How
are you how if you're trying to break back into there?
And what do you do if your PJ Lock?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well, first of all, for Jail, he just has to
remain competitive because things going into his third year, things
have not worked out the.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Way that he might have wanted or predicted.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But once again that the scales, odd enough, are still
tipping hill in his favor. Because the guy in front
of him, PJ Lock, that becomes the competition.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Right, can you beat that guy out?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Now, the idea of leap frogging past PJ and getting
to Brandon Jones Skinner would have to do something out
of this world for that to happen. Let's just keep
it one hundred. But he still has an opportunity to
compete for that particular spot.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
That has to be his motivation.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
And if he's competing with PJ for that backup safety spot,
that means he's still on the roster. And as long
as you're still on the roster, you have an opportunity
because it's hard to compete for a job and you're
on the opposite side of that fence looking in at
the field opposed to being on the side where the
players are, so he has an opportunity, but he has
to take that next step. What would it take for
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him showing as though he's dialed in and he understands
every intricate.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Detail about the defense.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
You've been in this defense for a while, so either
you're getting better or you're getting worse.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And usually this.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Is around the time that that guys inside the builders
started to recognize and say, Okay, well, yeah, I think
I think he's getting to that point where he gets
it or you know what, coach. Yeah, when they sit
in that that that room with that long table, rectangular table,
someone's looking at Champagne and they may say, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
What, I don't know?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, I mean it does you get to you. There's
a couple of years. You get that first year, we're like, okay,
he's a rookie, right, but he's got skills.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
He gotta let us.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Then he gets that second year, you're like, okay, well,
you know he might get there. He's got to, you know,
he's got to he shows some flash this year, and
you get to that third year and it has and
everybody's like, come on now.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, at this point, it's not about flashing. It's about
can you assert yourself serves to the front and take
over because even though you may be a backup, and
in this case, he is behind PJ.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Lott.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
For me, ideas, leaders lead, right, So you can't look
at yourself and say, okay, well.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
They bring in new funga, Now I'm deeper on the
depth chart. No, leaders lead.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
If you think that that's a spot and that you
deserve and it you've earned that, go take it. And
by you having that attitude, it will make the defense
and the offense better in that same regard.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, and I think that's I think that's the way
to the way to approach that five.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Six, six, nine years of text line.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You guys want to get involved in the conversation you mentioned
you want to talk about some arcade viewpoints that are
being changed.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, you know the idea is that can they be changed?
And I know all things are relatives, which.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Which specific ones you talking about?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, I'm thinking okay with the running back position. When
I was growing up, that was a position that was
praised and everyone was just like hand the ball off
with you know, three y'alls in a cloud or dust.
Now things have progressed where it's all about the passing game.
But this past year we've seen some teams get back
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to that idea of getting their running backs involved in
a massive way and not just handing it off to them,
but also throwing it to them out of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And we look at the Giant.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Situation and their unwillingness to give Saquon Barkley his bag,
only watch him to go to Philadelphia and get his bag.
And Saquan is thinking that maybe the season he had
and the payday and extencion he received from the Eagles,
maybe it may be enough to change opinions of certain people.
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I know Jeffrey Louis and Howwie Roseman have definitely changed
their mind.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
We got to take a pause here real quick.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
The KOA newsroom has I'm breaking news from out there
at Denver International Airport.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Here's our own Kathy Walker.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Yeah, thank you very much, Benjamin. We know that passengers
have been evacuated from an American Airlines plane after smoke
was seen in the airplane. We know it's being described
as an aircraft fire, but the airport says there was
no fire really like at the gate. But however, we
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know that there's visible smoke at the airport. Passengers on
the plane being evacuated, they deployed the slides off the plane.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
We'll keep you up today on what's.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Going on at DIA with Tony and at the bottom
of the hour, Thank.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You, Kathy. It's Kathy Walker from the KWA newsroom on.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Reports of smoke fire and an evacuation of American airlines
out there at Denver International Airport.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Stay tuned. Bottom the hour news update with Tony manis Nick.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
We're talking about attitudes on Saquon Barkley and just the
running backs in general, because I think the league is
sort of pivoting back to the relay events of the
running back. We've seen running backs get sure shifted in
terms of getting paid all those Saqua better on himself
and ultimately got that contract from from Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
But I think there's also.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
A pivot within the league back toward drafting running backs
earlier in an attempt to get that fifth year option
and maybe then you know, the franchise tag you can
cost control of running backs entire career at this point,
and it seems like teams are pivoting back to that,
which in a way is sort of detrimental to the
running back market, you know in and of itself, and
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you and obviously work with the NFLPA probably have a
better clue on that. But like to me, I'm like
teams are pivoting back to prioritizing them in the draft
at least, so at least that's something.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Well, well, they're prioritizing them in the draft because the
idea is that you get a young back, and if
you have multiple young backs on your team, they're interchangeable.
You got complimentary backs now, and now you can figure
out which guy you want to pay, which guy you
don't want to let, what guy want and with that
you have options. So now you don't have to give
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the guy a bag out of desperation like someone may
feel that they've given that Philadelphia did with Saquon Barkley.
And I know there's an idea that running backs are
fall off turnam trucks, And for me, I don't look
at all running backs the same. I mean, just because
you're a running back doesn't necessarily mean that you are
Derrick Henry.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You are a Saquon Barkley. I mean you are James Cook.
So for me, that.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Conversation needs to be expanded because you got some very
talented running backs.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
But because the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Is it's based on group think, and sometimes it's hard
to get outside the group thing because an individual don't
want doesn't want to be that team to reset the market.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Just think about what Andrew Berry did with.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
The Cleveland Browns and Deshaun Watson, right, and it was like, okay,
well he did that with Deshaun, and the.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Costa Baltimore was like, well, we're not about to.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Do that with Lamar or down in Arizona with Kyler Murray.
I will tell you that there were owners around the
NFL that were pissed at Jimmy Haslam for giving the
thumbs up to allow Andrewberry to do do that.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yes, that's exactly kind of the idea of okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
We don't want them to do that. But and I
know if that's a rowcase.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
With Deshaun Watson because there was a lot of things
that were going on at that time off the field
that had nothing to do with football. But for me,
at the same time, I look, I say, well, judge
each individual player by their own merit.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Don't get into this group stink, right.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Because the group think has propelled the quarterback to the
top of the food chain.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And let me know, Ben, if you know something that
they don't.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I've never seen a quarterback, you know, Hall of Fame quarterback,
even Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, that the great Joe Montaigne.
I've never seen any of those guys win a football
game by themselves. So why would you eliminate the running back?
Think about the Broncos for a second there, What have
they been missing? What are they trying to do this
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year to make their team much better? They're trying to
go out and get a running back. So for me,
I hope that the group think doesn't continue to drive
down their dollar value in a production of these players
running backs because and these guys are so awesome.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I'm curious as to where it goes because the league
obviously had spread out to more wide receivers, lighter defenses,
and we're sort of seeing a pivot back to a
little bit of a little bit more heavy usage, twelve
personnel usage.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
We're seeing heavier running backs.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Obviously Derek Henry, Sinqua Barkley, you know, headline that, but
we were sort of seeing maybe a pivot back to
that simply the physics of the game.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And I don't know. I guess I find that fascinating
because it's.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Been the golden era of passing, and I don't think
that passing is going away by any stretch of the imagination.
But with the RPOs and building in run and pass
concepts into the same play, we're really starting to see
kind of a golden era of almost total football.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
With all due respect to Dutch soccer.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, yeah, because when you talk about RPOs, well, part
of the definition of RPO run option exactly. Well, John
Brulin call it ridiculous pass option that is something entirely different.
But you are relying on opening the pass passing game
by using a fake with the run, which is similar
basically what it is. It's play action, just looking entirely different.
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But you're utilizing the fact in the disguise of hemming
the ball up to a running back to draw up
the second level of defenders and maybe even third level defenders.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
To open up things in the passing game.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
So with that, there is value with the run back
running back position.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Now, I'm not saying every team should.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Give their running backs the deal that Saquon has.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I'm not saying that, But all I'm saying is that.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
The running backs play an intricate role in the passing
game through the threat of the run, So you just
can't kick those guys to the side.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Right, And we've certainly seen how that has been invaluable
the careers of Alvin Kamara or Christian McCaffrey whatever, with
running back being able to carve that that niche and
uh and I would venture that they're both kind of
jokers since that term gets thrown around quite a bit,
even though Christian McCaffrey never played for Sean Payton. And
and we've sort of seen how that the short pass,
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whether it's swings, choice routes, whatever, has become an extension
of the run game in a way.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, it has.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And I dare any offensive coordinator would that title genius
or not?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
So pass sixty times a game. See what happened to
your quarterback?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, Ryan Grubb did that and he got fired up
there in Washington.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
You know, smap and out. Neither of them in Seattle anymore,
you know.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So that's it's yeah, I mean, you can't like it,
just there is a a sense to it's it's funny
because you watch the analytics people and they'll tell you
it makes more sense to pass the ball, right, It
just makes more sense.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That's how you matriculate the ball down the field at
a high rate, of course, but.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You know that those are those numbers are obtained within
the context of previous offense is that have run the ball.
And so the more you pass, does it create something
that's less effective as you keep doing it?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I e. Let me pick an example.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
You know how they take of you if you take
certain antbiotics and to become not effective.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Right, Yes, they work because you can't do anybody whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
So the more you do something, the league starts to
get used to it, then it becomes less effective, right well, And.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
This is why we always talk about complimentary football having
a balance attack. That's why it's so vital and it's
so important that there are certain teams when you watch
them around the league, and you can tell by the
way that they deploy their offense and their play call them.
There's some teams that have that you know, old school
(13:42):
way of thinking where you use your running backs to
open up and create space in the passing game and
they run to pass the ball right And mentally, I
look at it from that point from a defensive perspective,
but then there's others thing to pass the ball, to
run the ball right, And if you're gonna have that
philosophy passing the run, your guys better to be able
(14:03):
to hold up on the edge as far as your
tackles are concerned.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And when you start to throw the ball, your guys
cannot drop balls. They can't drop passes. If they do,
now you're in third and long.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Situations, right, and so then you're right back to where
you started philosophically. So, uh, I do think that that's
you know, for me, that's sort of fascinating.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I think that.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You know that there are different types of ways to
get these running backs involved now, you know, because you
and I came up in the I formation era of football.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You know, that's what we came up.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
You got.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
The fullback was still heavily and used to.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Not catching the ball, you know, And so you know,
it's it's sort of a fascinating evolution of the game,
I think in our era to see and it's it's
funny to me because you know, as we were coming
up through that, our our fathers had come up through
the era of a lot of option football, and you know,
and different types of of runs almost the Vincula Party
style of running trapp you know whatever the old Vinscler
(15:04):
parties stuff end up game involved, and I'm just curious
just to where the game evolves next. You know, we've
calle through the golden era of passing or were pivoting.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Back to the road. I just find that stuff fastening.
I love the evolution of the game.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I don't care how much the league sells this concept
of everything being based on the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And pass past pass.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
You cannot play this game and be successful without having
somewhat of a consistent run game. But now it's great
if you have a ground attack that is just kind
of out of control, they just can't stop it no
matter what they do. But consistency is the most important thing.
And balance you need balance. Well, you know who's going
(15:45):
to balance us out, Ni Cosmiter from the Athletic. When
we come back right here on Broncos Country tonight on
KA Way.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
We will continue to monitor this American airline situation out
there at the Ever International Airport with playing Caught Fire.
There are several uh several tail numbers and everything else
that'll be trodden around on there. But stay tuned here
at Ka what's right. We get you all the latest
information on that.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
We're gonna watch to the Uka cous for the hotline though,
and bring on our good buddy at cosmid Or from
the Athletic Nick, how you doing this evening?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I actually I don't live too far from d i A.
So I just got a text from somebody saying, can
you see any any smoke? Obviously that would have to
be pretty high rising for me to be able to
detect it. But anyway, so that would literally just before
I came on if you guys have got that tech.
So no, we were.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
We were coming to you for on the spot fire coverage.
Actually that's the whole reason we had you this evening.
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
So you know, you never know, I'm versatile, That's say,
that's what you got to be in this business.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You got to be able to pivot on the pivot
on the fly. As as Nick was pointing out earlier today, Uh,
as we look at these so Broncos have made kind
of a splash here at the beginning of free agency.
You get Tray green Law, you get the NAGA at
the safety you get Sherfield as a special team's replacement
a wide receiver already get Evan ingram As is kind
of a heavy slot, you know, moved tight in whatever.
(17:05):
What have you thought of the Broncos editions so far?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Yeah, you know, like then I think one of the
things you like to do after, you know, because this
stuff is such a flurry as the kind of hours
and minutes go by, we react to everything, you know,
pretty immediately. But what I've tried to do is sort
of take some like take a thousand foot view from
this a little bit as they've made these additions. And
I think the interesting thing is that like this wouldn't
(17:31):
have been like a pursuit they would have been able
to do a year ago. You can't you can't do
what they've done in terms of like taking calculated risks
on guys who have great upside but they have some
clear injury risk without knowing exactly who you are and
what you're trying to do. And they couldn't say that
(17:52):
at this time last year. And so I think the
idea that they they know kind of what they have,
where their strengths are, where they needed to get better.
I just think it's been you know, I try to
always look at it with a cynical view, right, because
I think that's what fans deserve of trying to trying
to just give a really objective view of it. But
I like what they've done just in terms of understanding that, like, hey, yeah,
(18:16):
they one of these guys or maybe two of them
gets hurt. But what you've done now is the guys
that are behind them were starters last year on a
very good defense, and so now you've developed a depth,
You've developed an identity, and so I think these guys
are coming along in terms of green Law and Hufanga
and Ingram at a really good time, just based on
(18:37):
knowing exactly where they fit, which is not always the way.
We've been able to talk about these free agents in
terms of just a very specific vision for what they're
trying to do. And I think that's where Denver has
done well.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I think I wonder if you shared the same viewpoint
as I do, because when I look at the upgrades
on I had the side of the ball who flung
the green Law and even every Ingram. The first thing
that jumped out of my mind down right, getting off
the field defensively on third down and extending third downs offensively,
do you look at the same way that these guys
are going to help the Broncos be better in third
(19:10):
down production.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
And like like in a in a world where like
there's a lot of like smoke and mirrors, the Broncos
have been pretty transparent about what their biggest like you know,
concerns or frustrations with the team last year was, And
it was like inner triangle, middle of the field, third
down red zone, Like that's where they want to be better.
And and to your point, Nick, you're absolutely right, like
(19:35):
that's that's where these moves have been concentrated. I sort
of dove into these numbers a little bit after the
Ingram signing offensively, you know, And again I think people
talk about the need for Denver's tight ends. I first
just want to say, I think the guys that they have,
like Nate Atkins and Adam Trubn they do what they're
supposed to do well. It's just that they're not these
guys that are supposed to necessarily go out and and
(19:57):
be these big receiving threats. But they've just clearly been
missing that. Like they have twenty one third down receptions
from tight ends in the last two years. That's by
far the lowest in the league. And Evan Ingram has
thirty seven by himself and he missed eight games last year.
So it's just like, that's exactly right, that's there is
(20:18):
a very specific vision of where they are trying to
improve and getting guys who do that, and green Law
and Hufonga specifically on defense, it was the same sort
of issue. Like I think the thing that's really interesting
is like you have a franchise record sixty three sacks.
When you look at teams that lead the league in it,
like lead the NFL in sacks, it's not very often
(20:40):
that they then bring back ninety eight percent of that
sack percentage the next year, which is what the Broncos
are doing. The only sacks they lose from that total
is Cody Barton, who had one and a half. So
I just think they've done a lot to reload themselves
in a really good spot. And yet to your point, Nick,
much more equipped if things you know helped of course
(21:00):
the part of it, but are much more well equipped
to excel on it down where they were struggling last year.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Tell me Nick cosmid or the athletic you know, one
of the things that I think people talk about all
the time is raising the floor, and the Broncos literally
did that. I mean, if you have starters as backup
last year's starters as backups now, then you've literally raised
the floor on your team. So, you know, I think
mission accomplished when it comes to that. What as we
look around, is there anything else you think that they
(21:25):
really want to grab before you start to head into
the draft.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
It's a great question. And obviously, like the one guy
that's out there right now that that is capturing all
the attention of fans, and it is obviously generating a
lot of like media, social media and otherwise like attention.
Is is couper tough because he presents for a lot
of teams like this idea of like a bona fide
at this point in his career, number two wide receiver.
(21:54):
You know, you could say that the Bronco's just given
the fact that Courtland Sutton had about six hundred more
yards in the next tree on the team, that that's
in options and you know, as I understand it, they've
looked at it. I think some of the stuff out
there about their interest, you know, there's just a lot
of posturing as you know very well Ben at this
kind of stage of the whole thing, so we'll have
(22:15):
to kind of see where that goes. But that kind
of position, I could still see it. But they also
are now they have good leverage. They're like, they're pretty
well set in terms of, like we are equipped to
go into the season and now we just get to
like add good talent in the draft. So I don't
think they're in a positions where they need to do
anything before April rolls around and they finally have all
(22:38):
of their own first four draft picks for the first
time since twenty twenty one. But if you're at to
ask me, like, if they do add yeah, they probably
want somebody that can go ahead and punt the ball.
But outside of that, like maybe another receiver if it
works out the right way. But yeah, they're in a
good spot now in terms of like they're not going
to get out leverage in any kind of negotiation.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
All right, Nick, Before I let's get out of here,
I definitely have to ask you about the Nuggets game
once fifteen to ninety five to the Timberwolves, and it
had to be the lowest point.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
In total for the Nuggets all season long.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I don't want to panic here and I don't want
to be one of those guys, But.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
What are you saying? And what happened to Jamal Murray?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, it's weird because it looked like back to the
October November version of him. I had texted somebody during
the game and I was just like, why exactly is
Jamal playing like he has two less seat right now? Like,
it was very weird based on how well he's been
playing lately, and he wasn't the only one in that
game it was. It was weird. But look, when whenever
(23:40):
you lose five games in a row to a team
that you could potentially match up within the playoffs, it's
it's definitely concerned. And Malone, who is not typically one
to make excuses, I love when coaches say such and
such happened, but it's not an excuse. Well they whatever
they say before they say it's not an excuse. That
was their excuse. Again, they did that with Aaron Gordon
(24:02):
and and it makes sense like they're they're obviously never
going to match up with a team as big and
physical as as Minnesota if they're not full strength. But
but again, I just I just saw some of that right,
like the lack of physicality, the lack of size to
match up with a team that really almost looks like
it was constructed to beat Denver. Obviously their architect knows
(24:24):
the thing or two about Denver's roster. So it in panic, no,
because you're still in a stage of your season where you're,
you know, we don't know what the seeding is going
to look like. You're still trying to get right. But again,
I just I just look at this bench, and this
has been the thing the whole year of like who
is going to be the one that kind of overplays
their you know, their their predictions in the playoffs, Like
(24:46):
that's what it's going to take for them to do
more than I think people might expect going into the postseason.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, Cosmider of the Athletic, we appreciate you as always
a brother and look forward to continuing to keep our eyees.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
So if there's any other free agent.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
News that comes along, all right, I think so much,
Take care.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Absolutely take care the Cosmier the Athletic Kawai still monitoring
the events out there at Denver National Airport. Obviously, we've
had reports of a plane catching fire out there. There's
several tweets and video out there as well, and looking
forward to any additional comment that we get on that.
If you were a witness to that and you want
to talk about that, or you had some loved one
(25:23):
that was on that flight, we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Five six six nine zero as the text.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Lineer three h three someone three eighty five eighty five again,
a plane caught fire out there at DIA. Looks like
the passengers were evacuated without injury so far, but we're
looking forward to hearing more. We got Tony Manis on.
It's here in the KWA newsroom as well. Tony, do
you have something something new for us there?
Speaker 6 (25:46):
I do have some updated information for you, Benjamin. Here
is the latest. It was one hundred seventy two passengers
and a crew of six that were evacuated from that
American Airlines flight that was diverted to Denver International Airport.
It took off from Colorado Springs Airport and was headed
to Dallas Fort Worth. The airport reported an aircraft fire
(26:10):
here in Denver at gate see thirty eight. American Airlines
released a statement tonight, Benjamin that said AA flight one
zero zero six experienced an engine related issue. Slides were
deployed as passengers evacuated.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
No injuries.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Well, that's good to hear. At least no one was
injured on that. We gotta figure out this air situation.
I'm a flying lately. I've been flying my whole life,
and all said, I'm a little nervously. We got we
had any trainings I can take. Thankfully, I don't have
to get out to the combine again anytime soon. I
hear the boss is fun now.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, you know what I've done that before. I'm gonna
pass on that.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, a long eighteen hours trip on a Greyhound, the
Greyhound down to the Senior bowlite because every year I
tried something different.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I took the Greyhound down to the Senior.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Bowl one year, and that might have been, with all
due respect to Greyhound, the most miserable experience of my life.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
And I'll be passing on that for the rest of
my days.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm sure, because when you make those stops, you can't
determine who's in.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
The seat next to you.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
You can't and and you can't determine when the last
time they took a shower was in some cases, so
that was Yeah, that was definitely an experience for me.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
I had a comment, but the shower shower comment got me.
I was gonna say, they do have trains that'll run.
You can get on it from Union Station, you can
take it all over the country, like.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
That's Amtrak like something like that. Yeah, well, you know,
that's that's one thing. It's weird.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
United States doesn't use trains the way like like European
countries do and all that kind of They get like
high speed rail over there. You guys are you guys
are I don't know. If it's awesome, Yeah, that's great,
but we don't have just don't have that here for
whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Because because people love to travel by airplane and say,
no matter what happens, it's still the safest way to travel,
at least that's what we've.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Been told, at least in the past.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Well, I mean people say it's the best way to travel.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
You know, most of them travel in my car.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, I mean it's it's traditionally been the you know,
safest way to travel.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
But lately it seems seems that's not the case.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
We'll keep your broadcase, or are we just noticing it more?
I don't know, porting not it more because all the
media is reporting on it.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
More could be we are the media, though, what do
you mean? What do you mean you people? I don't know. Well,
I'm not part of it people. What do you mean?
You people? See you people? And they are two entirely
different groups. What do you people?
Speaker 7 (28:28):
Yeah, what a great role from Robert Robert Downey Jr.
But I did see a stat I believe it was
last week that said air air accidents are statistically down
from this time last year.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Well, we are higher focused on it. I guess we'll
have the old latest year at KAWA.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
And obviously you want to stay tuned to Tony Mantas
the top of the hour the latest breaking updates with
the fire out to Denver International Airport on the American
Airlines flight. I don't know if you guys saw this
real quick before we get a break. Did you guys
see this back and forth? You it's some sound from
from DeMarcus Lawrence, who left the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
He's going to the the Seattlesahawks. Had some sound out there.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Michael Parsons responded on Twitter, and Lawrence has responded.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Back to him. Let's let's get to the beginning of
that with a sound.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
First, you know, Dallas is my home, made my home there.
You know my family lives there. You know I'm ever
gonna be there. But you know, I know for sure
I'm not gonna win a super Bowl there.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
So yeah, here, all right.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
So that's DeMarcus Lawrence talking about Dallas is my home,
but I know for sure I'm not gonna win a
super Bowl there.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Obviously he let it go to the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Michaeh Parsons takes the quote quote, tweets that clip and says,
this is what rejection and envy look like.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
This some clown bleep clown emoji and to.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Marcus, Lawrence replied right back to him, fired back on Twitter,
saying calling me a clown won't change the fact that
I told the truth. Maybe if you spent less time
tweeting and more time winning, I wouldn't have left a
burn him.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Wow, shots fire.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I mean, you really find out what you think of
other people? What more important, what they think about you
when you are no longer in the building.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
But truth be.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Told, and you know, you know Lawrence behalve. I mean
he is kind of right because the Cowboys have not
been relevant since what Barry Switzer was there. I think
maybe it was a Super Bowl they played against the
Pittsburgh Steelers. Everyone, even Deon Sanders was a member of
(30:31):
the Dallas Cowboys. That's a long time ago. That's like
almost thirty years ago. So Lawrence is kind of right
because the Cowboys are in dis array right now. We
don't know what direction that they're going at. You got
the Commanders who are much better. You just got the
Eagles who just won a Super Bowl, and the Giants
is in somewhat of before rebuild. So look, I'm not
(30:52):
saying I'm picking a side, but I understand what Lawrence
was saying.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I get it. Yeah, I think I do too. I mean,
I don't have any problem with him.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
If he felt that way, and he felt some kind
of way, that's certainly his prerogative.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I have that opinion.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I don't know what Parsons was on about, Like it
was almost like he was just standing up for the brand.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Well, yeah, of course. I mean he's still on the roster,
so he's got to stand up. And you know, he's
got his own podcast, so the back and forth actually
bleeds over into his podcast and give him some more
to talk about but this narrative will change if Michael
Parson doesn't get his money from the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
You're right, all of.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
A sudden, Parsons did to Washington talk about how you're done.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I couldn't win there either, exactly. So the tone changes.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, and Law's gonna say, see, I told you so,
but guess what I got receipts?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
What's the old saying? You leave the radio on long enough,
the tune changes. Well that you hold, I don't play
the same song back to back.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Let's it's the fourth of July and they get that
John Phillips SUSA thing going.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I've never heard that and I love it? Will you
repeat it one most time? Which hard the tune changing?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Oh yeah, he leaves radio on long enough and eventually
too change.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
That's good. Yeah, there you go from a radio professional
Grandspeth right there.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Well, the one thing I don't want to change is
your voice, because you remind me of the episode of
Friends when when Phoebe caught.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
A cold and she was singing Smelly Cat, Smelly.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Cat, and it was just so so different, so much
so that she started to lick doorknobs, tried to get
a cold Back, So just don't lick any doorknobs.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I'll try not to, Benjamin.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I'll write the remix on the voice here Kawe Broncos
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