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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good country tonight, I've Ben vent ol Bright here with
your Grant Smith back there behind the glass with the
March Madness tournament update here in just a little bit.
Right now, We've going to the Kwait Compsorth hotline know and.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Bring on our guy Parker Gabriel. We always love checking
it with him.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Parker broke the news earlier today that Jonathan Cooper was
restructuring his deal, fring up another three point two million
in cap space.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Parker, How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm doing good, Ben, How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm doing pretty well.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Right off the bat, as soon as you put that
report out there, a lot of people started asking you
see this money for to bring in another free agent
or you know, you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Know what is this? What do you know about the
the Jonathan Cooper restructure?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I mean, they definitely do have room to make another
move or two if they want, but I think there's
other things going on too. It's when they did this
deal with Jonathan Cooper in November last year, they had like.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
No cap states.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
In fact, they had to trade Baron Browning just to
have enough cap states to do the extension and keep
it cap neutral until one of the things they did
is they just they put a roster bonus in instead
of having a bigger signing bonus, because it allowed them
to sort of like move some of the cap spaces
to twenty twenty five. Now they're just repositioning that again.
So like I think mostly it's just something that they
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knew they were going to do, and part of the
way they structured.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
The extension since they did it.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
In season and since they were tied up against the
cap in the middle of the year. So like that
I think is the driving purpose of it. It's just
smart accounting after the way they did the deal originally.
At the same time, like you look at the way
that they did Talanela Hufanga's deal, where they're sort of
sitting in cap space through you know now at maybe
around seventeen million, and you think, okay, well it could
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just be draft class and you want to go into
the season with about ten million and maybe a couple
extra million you know here and there. But if they're
looking around at veterans, they definitely have the flexibility to
do that if they find somebody they think fits well.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Hey Parker, Yeah, I think that there's still the potential
for bringing in a veteran running back, maybe a wide receiver.
I know there's been some reporting on about that, but
they really like their young group. But I'm not one
hundred that that's that The receiver thing is a priority.
We'll see how that goes. But they they've got the
ability to make those moves.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
I think the other thing that to keep your eye
on here with these kinds of moves and fring up
the space is the potential for extensions for Zach Allen
and Nick Benito, both of which need to come fairly soon,
and making a decision on whether or not you want
to add anything to John Franklin Myers, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
And I think you know, if you look at if
you look at the cap numbers the way they are now,
I mean, if they do an extension for Zach Allen
or Courtland Sutton, they probably will actually reduce the twenty
twenty five number on either of those guys a little bit. Now,
they could reduce it by a lot, but nido depending
on how big that deal is and what the signing bonus.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Looks like and all of that, you know, CAP neutral
or they could add to that.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
The other thing that's interesting is like teams don't do
this a lot, but they are in a position where,
you know, they've given out a bunch of extensions the
last couple of years, and I think that they are
being very cognizant of what the cap numbers on all
of those deals, from you know, Cooper to.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Garrett Bulls to Patser, tan Quinn Minors, all these guys,
and then you know, the clock is it's always like,
obviously they.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Have a long way to go before there's any conversation
about bow mix, but they're in the rookie quarterback window now,
so I think there definitely is some long term planning
going on here too. And what will be interesting is
to see if they do, you know, a couple of
big extensions here over the rest of.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
The spring and summer. Do they go all out to suppress.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
The early year cap number on those deals, or so
they say, Hey, we're sitting in a pretty good position, now,
what's actually maybe frontload them a little bit more than
you might otherwise to sort of preserve a little bit
more flexibility down the road.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Parker Gabril the Diver post.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, speaking of which, on that and this year, the
personal conversion to talk to about this does it concern
you at all the the over reliance and sort of
feel like on void years that they've started doing because
those are creeping into the bonux getting paid window, and
that portion of it presents a little bit of a
to me based on looking at how when Sean was
with the Saints, they very much.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Over relied on void years and it has caused has
caused them problems as time is worn on.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I think.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I think it's something you've got to be cognizant of.
Basically from here forward. Not all Voyd years are created equal.
I mean last year, you know, the most sort of
like most aggressively they use them just for clearing cap
space was last spring. You know, they they they did it.
They basically you know, restructured as much as they could
with McGlinchey and Ben Powers and.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Zach Allen and so like you don't want to be
doing that.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Like, so, not all Boy years are created equal. The
thing with Cooper is like it's eight hundred thousand dollars
in twenty twenty nine, it's not very much. I think
with Koufonga it's a little different. It's sort of like
it's weird, but it's the way that his option bonus
is set for twenty twenty seven, so it's like sort
of a two year deal and then you know, if
you but you're getting into like several void years there.
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So it's all like I think that you know, George
Payton and Richard Toddo and kind of the set of
people that are negotiating the deals are are mindful of
not being overreliant on it.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
But then you can also do the thing where it's like.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well, I guess it sort of makes sense in this
case and in this.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Case and in this case, and if you don't check
yourself on that.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You look back eventually and say, dang, maybe we overdid
it a little bit on this.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Yeah, that's that's my thing about the Layoway. You know
portion that we've seen teams be successful with having void
years and utilizing that before, I mean the Eagles just
this past year. But at the same time, an over
reliance on that can really run up the credit card
and create inflexibility in areas where you want to be
flexible after the quarterback has to hit his hit his deal.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
What do you think of the free agent class so far?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I think everybody's been excited about drag Greenlaw and Fanga
and all that. Ingram, It's he's interesting to me because
you got a lot of fans and you got him
put up the joker meam and all that, but he's
never been that Evan. Ingram's a heavy slot guy who
doesn't really play in line. He's really a heavy slot
wide receiver really. And then I like the Sherfield moves
that might have been my favorite move, and that's probably
the least discussed.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think I mean, I think you're right.
I think by and large they've done a good job
and by and large, like they just went you know,
I think George S. Payden said they you.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Know, they could be aggressive but smart about it, and
they just sort of went right.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Down their list of like we want this, we want this,
we want this, and they locked them up. I think
one thing that goes a little underappreciated maybe is the
guy that actually got the strongest deal out of everybody
with DJ Jones, and maybe not surprisingly given the way
that he's played, particularly last year, and just sort of
the continuity that they're looking for and that they've built
on that defensive line. So you know, with the guarantee
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you think the point six million guaranteed was the most
that they gave anybody, and that that was obviously DJ
So you know that.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I think obviously there's some injury risk.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I think you're right about van Ingram. It probably was
a little bit of overlap there in terms of what
Sean Payton will.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Ask him to do and what a guy like Cooper.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Cup would have done. Obviously they don't have the same player,
but you know that part of one of several reasons
why I didn't really think they were in on Cooper Cup,
you know, through that process, and so they've hit on
some needs and I don't think you know, I think
when you when you look forward to the draft, I'm
not sure that the way that they've pro free agency
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takes them out of the equation for anything. Like if
you told me they still were looking, you know, tight
end in round one, I wouldn't blink at that. Obviously
running back is still out there, There'll be some interesting
defensive line. Then there'll be some interesting receivers probably around
at twenty two. So it it all adds up to
probably improving the football team. And also you know, there's
still some needs out there that they can attack on
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draft weekend, and.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
We'll see some of that as we as we sort
of pivot towards the draft. I mean, there's still I think,
like I said, a few free agent things, the.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Running back situation.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
If JK.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Dobbins number gets right, I think they I think they're
looking at that. As you look at the draft, and
you know, the the the mock drafters have sort of pivoted.
It used to be unanimous Colston, Lovelin and all this
kind of stuff. Now you're seeing a freight train of
ol mari and Hampton, although the drafts are starting to
move him up a little bit higher than maybe not
even be available there at twenty. What is somebody that
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you like there for the Denver Broncos at twenty that
maybe maybe a little off the beaten path relative to
some of these popular mark drafts.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, I mean I think I think there's a bunch
of defensive linemen that would be sort of interesting there.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I mean, if you told me that.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Derek Harmon was there at twenty, the defensive tackle from Oregon,
you know, Shamar Stewart, you know, we'll see kind of
is he really a top ten pick? The production caused
him to slide at all obviously, Like we've seen guys
that had really you know, sort of like I think
Rashaun Gary comes to mind as a guy who was
like obviously a very good college player, but didn't have
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big sack totals and still I think he went maybe
like number twelve or something. So one of those guys,
I don't you know, Like I think you sort of
mentioned a little bit ago, Ben, Like, we'll see do
they extend John Franklin Myers. Are they going to pay
everybody on the defensive line? How does that work? Like
if you told me that there was a three tech
or a guy that had a little bit of versatility,
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even Kenneth Grant, although you know, maybe more nose tackle.
I may be a little bit more skeptical about this point,
but like if you're talking about a defensive lineman who
can be a disruptive player, rotation player, and then a
starter in twenty six going forward like that, that to
me is something that would actually make a lot of
sense that maybe doesn't get talked about quite as much.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I'm so glad you mentioned Horman because that was really
what I was fishing for there. I think that's the
one that nobody's mocking right now. That's probably the most realistic,
and then you look at some of these other needs,
whether or not l Marion Hampton's going to get there.
I do believe they will add a tight end and
a running back in the draft. You know, I've said
keep your eye on Mason Taylor at a LSU because
he'll he'll play.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
In line and they still need that. They don't have
that guy. Evan Ingram isn't that guy, but twenty percent
of the snap in lined and block like, they still
need that guy. And I wouldn't be surprised if they
do that in the draft.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
The main thing for me is this sort of receiver
thing where you know, some people are talking about a receiver. Again,
they could draft one, but I don't think it's a priority.
I think you're probably talking a late day three kind
of pick.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, you know, there's one of those positions where it's
you can find the production up and down the draft.
It'll be interesting, Like let's say they get to day three.
You know last year they did it where it was
like you took the tools with Troy Franklin and then
you took sort of like the more sure thing with
the Von Veley I would be interested to see sort
of like which way they go with that? Do you
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split the middle? You know, like what is it that there?
Are you just looking for a big, tall guy that
can really run that you're hoping to mold.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Are you looking for a guy that you know Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Is always looking for slot somebody into a specific role.
And then just one note on Mason Taylor. Like the
thing about the Broncos still, even though the staff has
been here for a while now, it is like all
of those guys tend to know LSU players really well
because of the Louisiana history. So not just Sean, but
you know, Jamar Caine was there, Bo Lowry was there,
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and so they've got obviously, like your job as a
front offices have good intel on everybody, but the Broncos
always have really good intel. I know if you guys.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Will go step further with that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
The Broncos new guy they just brought in was was
Taylor's high school coach. The guy that brought in from
the from the high school ranks down there was a
high school coach of Bason Taylor. So another connection there,
just to keep an eye on as far as that goes.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
The Broncos didn't hire.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Someone today former Washington State defensive coordinator to be the
inside linebackers coach.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
What do we think about this? Broncos moved to sudden.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
They bring in a lot of guys from the collegiate
high school ranks.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, it's sort of interesting. I mean, I think Sean
Payton one of the things he really enjoys about coaching
obviously deep, ruthless and like winning. You know, sort of
Trump's all or does trump ball. But he has made
a point I think of having some younger coaches on
his staff and wanting to sort of develop from the
college and high school rank. And so, you know, Jeff
Schmetting obviously has a lot of experience. He's been a
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defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
At Washington State, at Auburn, I think, at Boise State,
so he.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Obviously knows the game. And then you know, one of
the things, and I don't know if it's the true
like college, you know, it's a little bit of a
trope maybe, But you know, one of the things I
thought was interesting last year was vance Joseph At one
point he said, safety and inside linebacker in particular, are
positions where you can develop starting caliber players, and so
you know, that's a position where they could really use.
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Obviously they've got some veteran guys now, but they're going
to need to develop good players that aren't top of
the market players in the middle of the defense, and
so it could be partially that, and then it's also
just you're finding guys that that sort of fit what
you want to do and trying to build a good staff. Obviously,
you know Joe VIT's been around forever. He's still on
the defensive staff. So you've got some room with Jeff schmetting.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
With Isaac Schuemaker, to have some guys that.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Have either not had a position group like Shoemaker, or
not been in the NFL before like Schmidding, and sort of,
you know, maybe help bring them along a little bit.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Tom Parker gave him from the never post. Parker, what
do you give the Broncos? I always hate these grades
and all that kind of stuff, But what do you
what do you what do you think of the Broncos
overall moves this offseason?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, I think they've been good. I mean, like, if
you're to ask me, do I think they're better now
than they were at the end of the season. Like, yeah,
I do. I think that they've improved and I think,
you know, so I guess maybe that's solid b work
and then you know, and some of it's out of
the control, like there's a bunch we saw in the Broncos.
I think we're smart. I think when you look back
on it, one of the things that they should probably
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get credit for is reading the market right at defensive
tackle and getting DJ Jones back before the negotiating period
opened up, because everybody at that position with any kind
of production got paid. And so you know, I think
they fit that one in there about right, and then
check some things up the list.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
And now the question is just like you know, it's
about bo Nix. It's about have you outfitted in with enough?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Obviously the off season is not over yet, you still
have the draft, But it's about have you put a
good enough team around him? As Sean would have said
last year to you know, have you painted the right
picture around him to where he takes the next step
and he gets the added benefit of having better talent
around him and maybe you know, you stay where you were,
even get a little better defensively and that Mike, you know,
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is that enough to compete with the big dogs in
the AFC. So it's you know, the sooner we get
to September and start figuring out the answers to this stuff,
the better in my book.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yay, I'm with you on that last question here, and
I want to dovetail off that because I think that
is the question.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I'm with you. I believe they have improved as a team, and.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
I still think they could take a step backward in
the division depending on what the Chargers continue to do,
and obviously the Raiders bringing in Pete Carroll and you
know Smith is is at least giving them some credibility.
This division could be even tougher next year.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Oh definitely, Yeah, I don't think there. I mean, there
may not be a cake walk game in the division.
I mean there wasn't much last year except for the Raiders.
You know, we're bad obviously. So yeah, I'm in Vegas, Like,
I'm not saying they're going to finish second in the division,
but like, that's a pretty nice offseason so far.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
To settle the waters with Pete.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Carroll and Spy Tech as the GM, to convince Max
Crosby to stay, and then to get you know, Smith,
like you've at least put some like core competencies in
place where they're not going to roll over, and so
they have a long way to go. Obviously, the Broncos
are probably ahead of them in terms of like you know,
rebuilding building projects. But yeah, no, there's there's no easy
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games in the division. And you could be I think
we said this last year, saying will be true this year.
The Broncos could be a markedly better football team and
the record.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Could look very similar, you know, to where it was
last year.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, that's more or less. One was gay, Parker. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I hope your bracket's not too busted so far, and
let's let's enjoy some march menace.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
We're hanging in there so far. We'll see how it
goes this weekend, O brother.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Take care of Parker Gabriel. They never post while I'm
at Parker J. Gabriel on the Twitter machine. Right there.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
We come back, we'll get a chance to react to
a little bit of that, as well as talk to
Zach Seegers about his latest article on the KAE website.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
This is Marcus Country to Night Heero Kawa. The fact
there behind the glass five.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Six sixty nine zero is the text line, I got
a little mouch bad this stuff going on today. Baylor
seventy five, seventy two over Mississippi State, Alabama ninety eighty
one over Robert Morris, Iowa State cruised over Lipscombe eighty
two to fifty five. Of course, the big news of
the day SEESU seventy eight, seventy over Memphis Duke ninety three,
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forty nine over Mount Saint Mary's Saint Mary's fifty nine,
fifty six over Vanderbilt Ole, miss seventy one, North Carolina
sixty four, Maryland eighty one, Grand Canyon forty nine, Florida
ninety five, Norfolk State sixty nine nice and Kentucky seventy
six over Troy fifty seven. That is Kawe's tournament update,
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Speaker 2 (17:16):
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Speaker 1 (17:21):
This segment, you could get it as well with our
next guest, mister Zach Seekers.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
How you doing, buddy, I'm doing great. Thank you for
having me on. Yeah, you got some articles up there
on the Kiowa website. What do you got for us?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I got a couple published these last couple of days.
First wrote about what Matt Barrows was telling us last
week on both Broncos Country Tonight on KOA Sports about
Drake Greenlaw and Tallanoa of Funga. He's the athletics beat
writer for the San Francisco forty nine Ers there in
the Bay Area. He knows that team really well, and
I thought he gave great perspective, especially on their injury
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prone label and from his perspective, he thinks it's a
little overrated and then also just high on I did
you know, even with how many players the forty nine
ers have lost this season, the ones that Niners fancy
most upset about were those two.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, certainly there was a.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Lot of forty nine or fan gnashing of teeth with
the loss of green Law.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
You know, that was one I especially noticed there. You know,
for people we don't remember, Fray green Law does bring
it edge.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I mean, Draganlaw is the guy who mixed it up
with the Eagle security guy on the sideline. Remember when
he got suspended from the sideline.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That's the guy Gray Greenlaw was the guy that got
Dom Big Dom suspended from the sideline for for getting
into it. I think every time Dray green Law hits
a practice field, we need to have somebody with the
JBL speaker playing. Forgot about Dre because I forgot about
that Dre was the guy in that incident. So yeah,
I'm with you on that. Uh And that's that'll be
a good read.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
You can get up there. You can get those articles
over there.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Obviously on the KA website don't wait Colorado dot com.
You know, as we look at some of the free
agents that the Broncos have have signed so far, I
think the defensive and maybe Evan Ingram sort of over
shadow everything. But maybe the better moves and I hesitate
to use that phrase, but perhaps glue moves in this
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particular case would be Trent Sherfield and Matt Hack, who
you know, I think are interesting signings for the never Broncos.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
I think they're definitely interesting, and I'm a fan of
the Sherfield one. I think, you know, we kind of
saw that move completed with Lil Jordan Humphrey going to
the Giants.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I think he's going to.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Help fill some of that role that Lil Jordan Humphrey
had on offense. I think a lot of that's also
going to be Valet and Evan Ingram as well. But
I think the one that you know, I have some
pauses about Matt Hack if I'm being honest, I or hawk.
I he's a punter that hasn't been really in the
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league these last two seasons. He's appeared in five games
over the past two years, and not because he was
dealing with severe injury, but because he was viewed as,
you know, a backup hunter. You sign off kind of
the scrap heap when you need one. I think that's
a bit of a red flag. And then even when
you look at last year and look at something like
net punt average, which should give him some credit for
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being a quality directional punter, this hangtime stuff limiting returns.
If you're so good at that and you're still flipping
the field, you should rank really.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well in net punt average.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Last season, he ranked thirtieth out of thirty four qualifying punters.
So I it's punters, So I'm not going to get
that worked up over it. But I do worry that
you're maybe trading out the league's tenth best punter for
you know, maybe the league's thirtieth best punter. And when
you compound that with swapping out the special teams coordinator,
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who knows how that transition is.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Going to go.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
I think there's potential that although it looks like the
Broncos definitely got better on offense this offseason and definitely
got better on defense this offseason, I think there's good
potential they got quite a bit worse on special teams.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's entirely possible.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
And Matt for you know, it's obviously a familiar fairs
today are Rizzi. They both be intersected back there in
my Miami. But I think you're right on the nit
yards per Pont. I mean, he's been below forty.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
And five of the eight seasons that he's been in
the NFL, and that is a preposterously low number for
somebody who's a directional hangtime guy.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Ideally or at least that's the rep on him.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
He's had three punts blocked over the course of his
career and only played in five games over the last
two years.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
It makes it makes the question whether or not they're.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Going to bring in youth, whether or not you might
draft a punter or something like that, because if this
is really the plan, they must know something we don't
because there's not a lot of confidence there.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah, it would feel it would definitely smell of hubris
if they're going to just make this their one and
only plan at the position.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I really hope.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
There's some sort of competition and if Hawk beats out
that competition, like, bring in a couple guys. It's not
like these, you know, street free agent punters are overly expensive.
I just find a guy who can, you know, and
maybe another veteran another Matt Hawk's on a non guaranteed
vat minimum D. You can move off him in camp
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and it's no harm, no foul for the Broncos or
their cap situation. Sign another guy to that contract at
a UDFA off off the market, whichever UDFA you like best.
Let those three guys compete and you know, figure out
who's best at it. I just there's plenty of punter
reps to go around. It's not like quarterback or tight
end or something where I'm I'm worried I'm disrupting chemistry
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or disrupting development.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I just make this guy earn the job. I wouldn't
just give it to.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Him because Rizzny's familiar with him. I think the his
resume is shaky enough that he should have to go
and earn it. Yeah, and he's been on several teams
since Miami. He's been back and forth with Buffalo. He
got signed to Arizona, Cleveland, the New York Giants, who
he played like a couple of games for last year.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You get signed December third by the Jags and then
cut a week later after that without ever ever punting
for them. You know, he was a guy who when
he came in the league, was came in an athletic
punter sub four six forty, which is certainly athletic for
a you know, for a punter. But you know, if
you can't handle the punting portion of that, that sort
of presents a bit of a problem as we look
around that in other moves the Broncos could make talked
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a little bit about j K. Dobbins the potential for
adding him to this roster. I don't think any moves
that they make at this point would preclude them from
doing anything in the draft, because I believe they will
add a veteran and a rookie running back to that room.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Do you think that's the smart move? Yeah, I think
it is.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I think in an ideal world, you'd maybe draft to
guys just because this class is so loaded with talent,
and right now, at this point in free agency, the
free agent class isn't I think there's really.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
One appealing option left at this point.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Now.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
That said, knowing the Broncos situation, which is Sean Payn's
the head coach, and even in past situations where Alvin
Kamara was a pretty immediate sensation, mark Ingram was a
first round running back selection. Both those guys, although they
had heavy workloads their first year, it was more of
a fifty to fifty split in the backfield. They came
into better backfields where there was more reasonable competition with
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Pierre Thomas, and then Alvin Kamara had to deal with
the afore mentioned mark Ingram. But I still don't think
you should expect that rookie whoever he is to get
more than sixty percent of the snaps and touches in
that backfield.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I just yeah, so I think you need a veteran
to that.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Sean Payton's gonna feel comfortable with maybe on those pass
protecting nowns. I think that's why Javonte Williams had the
role that he did as long as he did, even
when it looked like his legs were gone this past season.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, it's a good talk with Zach Seekers and that
that is part of the thing. I mean, in Sean
Payton's backfield, you've got to be able to do at
least one of two things. And you look back at
the backfield that he's constructed over the years, he will
keep one of those fast guys that can catch passes
on the roster with it's Richie Bush, Darren Sproles, Delia
mcloff or whatever. But they tend to have two or
three guys that are that kind of are battering rams,
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you know. And you go back if you look at
some of the guys that he's had over the years,
and guys like you know, mark Ingram or Pierre Thomas
or Latavious Murray. He tends to love those guys that
are right around the six foot mark tw or are
heavier and could catch a little bit out of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
But they really are there to run, you know. They
want to run gap, and they want to run power, and.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
They want to come at you with with guys that
will wear you down. Oh of course that Alba Kamara
might be the only real bell cow back he ever had,
and that's such a unique, you know, sort of thing
that he's had. I would not be surprised to them
to bring in, like we said to Dobbins and then add,
you know somebody whoever that may be with it at all,
Marion Hampton, whether that's.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
You know, somebody a little bit later in the draft,
who knows. And I hope they have some aggression there.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
I know we were talking yesterday and I think koa
Sports or No. It was that first hour of Roucas
Country tonight about how JK. Dobbins is kind of the
guy for them at running back, and I get why
you look at the market, there's not many great options
for them to pivot off to. I mean, Jamichael Hasty
or I don't know, maybe Trey Sermon. You could talk
yourself into that. I think Nick Chubb and Gus Edwards
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are probably the most likely backup plans. But those guys
don't appeal to me at all either. Maybe Jamal Williams,
but he was rough in pass protection last year.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
It feels like JK. Dobbins or Bust. So I I wish.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
They'd be a little more aggressive rather than waiting for
that price to come down.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I don't think his asking price.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
And maybe I'm not sourced at all, but I doubt
his asking price. Just looking at the free agent running
back market, is that ridiculous?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
You know?
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Are they waiting for a six million dollar price to
come down to four or something like that? Like, I
just you already missed out on Rico Dawdle signing for
less than three million dollars. You have cap space to spend.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
It's easy.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
I know they're kind of getting up against it. It's
easy to free up more. I just this is the
last option. This is the last girl who hasn't been
asked to the dance yet, like, get on it. Yeah,
And I do believe that they are waiting for that
number to come down, and I think that's a part
of what's going on there.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I think they understand that they've got backstops in the draft.
They don't have to spend to a certain number. They've
got a number. This is the number, and that's just.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Going to be it.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
And he's either going to get his price down, and
every day that ticks Brye, his price comes down closer
and closer to that number. So I mean, we'll see,
we'll see what they get done. A lot of fans
out there screaming or class I'm ring for wide receiver help.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I really, you know, I tried to be as forthright.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
As I could when the season ended that I didn't
think that's a priority for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
As we got closer to this, we kind of see
it's not there.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Maybe a down roster sort of receiver ad, maybe a
Day three ad in the in the draft. But I again,
I think they feel like Vonvallet and Mims and maybe
to a lesser extent, Troy Franklin really are good enough
to be able to execute in this offense.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
So how do you think that future the receiver room
breaks down? Because I can see that vision. Honestly, I'm
not that opposed to it. I hope they keep setting
for another season at least just to keep that safety
net in place for bo Nix.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I think that's important.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
But I think what Mims showed you down the stretch
next year, there's reason to believe that there's something in there.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Devon Valley. I see fans talking about, well, he's already
twenty seven.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I'd worry about that once the rookie contract comes to
an end, like he's an awesome player. He should be
an awesome player for the remainder of his rookie deal.
The best receiver or most productive by far rookie receiver
drafted after Lad McConkey in that class, no one even close.
I just the seventh round label is going to make people,
I think, continue to sleep on him. But I think
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he's a very good receiver. I'm with you there, Franklin.
I'm waiting see on. But this team still has three
receivers on rookie contracts. If they add another guy in
the fourth, fifth round, and you can find receivers in
that range of the draft, you'll have, you know, a
receiver room of six guys, which is more than Sean
Payne's carried in the past with Sherfield, and four of
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them right, four of them will be on rookie deals.
That's a fine you know, investment in the future of
this room, I think, and they can ride that out.
I'm just curious if they do draft a guy, where
where is it Because we've seen Devon Valet kind of
thrive primarily in the slot.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Maybe they project him to the X, but we haven't
seen it yet. Mims.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Maybe he's projected as the Z long term, but he's
really thrived in the slot. Evan Ingram's going to mainly
thrive in the slots, and so I feel like that
spot's taken care of. But I wonder how they view
their future at the other two. Well, I think that's
I think that's sort of the thing people forget. Valay
had cracked ribs at the beginning of the season last year.
That's what held Mack. He only wound up starting seven games.
He caught seventy five percent of the balls throwing his way.
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Quarterbacks had a passer rating of one eighteen point four
throwing to him. He only had three drops on the
entire season out of fifty five targets.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
You know, I mean he he had eleven point six
yards per touch from scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
The bab Malay is better than people remember. And I
think the other part of this that people don't remember is,
you know, he was good at the cop He's a
four four to seven forty guy at the combine.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
You know, Valay is a better player than.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
People think, and I think they view him eventually projecting
into that Courtland Sutton role, but they can use him
in other ways right now. He can be in the slot,
he can be the X whatever. I think Evan Ingram's
gonna eat up a lot of those slot things. And
that's the thing that sort of fascinates me is because
I mean, you saw having Ingram post the Joker thing
and you see all that, but he's never been used
like that. Evan Ingram is not really an in line
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tight end. He is a heavy slot wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Like I counted the Ingram signing as signing a wide receiver,
I didn't even count it as signing a tight end.
And so you know, I think there are I think
you're going to see more clearly defined roles this year,
where maybe last year they were trying a few things
out with some of those things.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
One of the things that gets to mentioned to people.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Like, well, you could put mems in the backfield guys,
I'm telling you, if Mims has multiple snaps in the
backfield this year, something went horribly horribly wrong for the
Denver Broncos.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Really you don't You don't think though I liked that
look like, I don't think you should make it, uh
foundation of the offense or anything like that. If he
gets more than like five snaps out of the out
of the season like that, something went wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I mean I would buy it.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Because I think a lot of it was them kind
of grasping at straws for some sort of solution in
the wake.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Of how rough that running back room was. Uh, but yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
It should be a more crowded backfield next year. I'm
wondering if it estimates Tho as a shot because to
my point about Peyton not trusting h you know some
of these younger running backs.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I honestly was out on estimate.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
After I saw him as a healthy scratch of the
playoff game, I was like, Okay, well, the staf's telling.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
They're telling them.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, they tell me what they think.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
But I'm thinking on it could easily just be Cope.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
But I'm thinking, did they have that lower opinion of them?
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Because this is a staff that historically has a lower
opinion of rookies, and maybe over this offseason, you know,
a full off season, if he gets a better mastery
of the offense down or shows something more in pass protection,
is he more in that race than I'm thinking, Because
I've kind of been admittedly writing him off as I
try and project what that future room looks like. I
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forget about him and just look at McLaughlin as the
carryover I feel, and I'm the same way with you
there and the way that I look at that room again,
I do believe they'll bring in a veteran and draft
a rookie and continue to detective. But the problem with
putting Mims in the backfield isn't you know, hey, it's
novel and whatever else, it's when you put in the backfield,
you know what's coming. Marvin Mims is not in there
for past protection and he is not running between the tackles,
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so you know what happening When.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Martin the ooms goes back to the defense says.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Alert and they know what's happening. And it's a reason
like when they put him back there, there really wasn't much,
you know, they really didn't do much out of it.
You saw a mountain er swing play or whatever, you
kind of know what's happening when you put him back there.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I wouldn't mind them showing a look like that every
once in a while, just to have some fun with it.
But the reality is, if that becomes something that you
have double digit plays over the course of the season,
something would horrendously wrong with the running back group.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Yeah, if they are having to go to that regularly,
I think there's absolutely something wrong there, not only because
of what it says about their additions elsewhere in terms
of like upgrading the up offensive weapons around the roster,
but what it says about Mims's development.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I think mems to get the most out of him
in his career.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
We need to see him evolve beyond just being kind
of this gadget player, this slot player into kind of
what I think they wanted him to be at.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
The start of last season, like the true Z future
at Z for this team.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
And if he's doing a lot of that backfield stuff,
I'd say the Z experiment probably failed.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Zach.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
We appreciate it as always. Where can they find your stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Check it out over on KOA Colorado talked about that
one with Matt Barrows, but also quoted Benny Fowler when
he was in here highlighting the similarities between Dre Greenlaw
and a keeb to Leib and TJ Ward, those past
bark plugs of the Broncos defense. I think Broncos Country
will enjoy that a.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Lot, looking forward to Drey Snats and some change Zach
Seegers when we come back. Rich de Rosis in the
Pro Football Hall of Famous to Broncos Country
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Night here on Kawa
Good country tonight, I've Ben vent ol Bright here with
your Grant Smith back there behind the glass with the
March Madness tournament update here in just a little bit.
Right now, We've going to the Kwait Compsorth hotline know and.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Bring on our guy Parker Gabriel. We always love checking
it with him.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Parker broke the news earlier today that Jonathan Cooper was
restructuring his deal, fring up another three point two million
in cap space.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Parker, How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm doing good, Ben, How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm doing pretty well.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Right off the bat, as soon as you put that
report out there, a lot of people started asking you
see this money for to bring in another free agent
or you know, you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Know what is this? What do you know about the
the Jonathan Cooper restructure?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I mean, they definitely do have room to make another
move or two if they want, but I think there's
other things going on too. It's when they did this
deal with Jonathan Cooper in November last year, they had like.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
No cap states.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
In fact, they had to trade Baron Browning just to
have enough cap states to do the extension and keep
it cap neutral until one of the things they did
is they just they put a roster bonus in instead
of having a bigger signing bonus, because it allowed them
to sort of like move some of the cap spaces
to twenty twenty five. Now they're just repositioning that again.
So like I think mostly it's just something that they
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knew they were going to do, and part of the
way they structured.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
The extension since they did it.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
In season and since they were tied up against the
cap in the middle of the year. So like that
I think is the driving purpose of it. It's just
smart accounting after the way they did the deal originally.
At the same time, like you look at the way
that they did Talanela Hufanga's deal, where they're sort of
sitting in cap space through you know now at maybe
around seventeen million, and you think, okay, well it could
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just be draft class and you want to go into
the season with about ten million and maybe a couple
extra million you know here and there. But if they're
looking around at veterans, they definitely have the flexibility to
do that if they find somebody they think fits well.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Hey Parker, Yeah, I think that there's still the potential
for bringing in a veteran running back, maybe a wide receiver.
I know there's been some reporting on about that, but
they really like their young group. But I'm not one
hundred that that's that The receiver thing is a priority.
We'll see how that goes. But they they've got the
ability to make those moves.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
I think the other thing that to keep your eye
on here with these kinds of moves and fring up
the space is the potential for extensions for Zach Allen
and Nick Benito, both of which need to come fairly soon,
and making a decision on whether or not you want
to add anything to John Franklin Myers, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
And I think you know, if you look at if
you look at the cap numbers the way they are now,
I mean, if they do an extension for Zach Allen
or Courtland Sutton, they probably will actually reduce the twenty
twenty five number on either of those guys a little bit. Now,
they could reduce it by a lot, but nido depending
on how big that deal is and what the signing bonus.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Looks like and all of that, you know, CAP neutral
or they could add to that.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
The other thing that's interesting is like teams don't do
this a lot, but they are in a position where,
you know, they've given out a bunch of extensions the
last couple of years, and I think that they are
being very cognizant of what the cap numbers on all
of those deals, from you know, Cooper to.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Garrett Bulls to Patser, tan Quinn Minors, all these guys,
and then you know, the clock is it's always like,
obviously they.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Have a long way to go before there's any conversation
about bow mix, but they're in the rookie quarterback window now,
so I think there definitely is some long term planning
going on here too. And what will be interesting is
to see if they do, you know, a couple of
big extensions here over the rest of.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
The spring and summer. Do they go all out to suppress.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
The early year cap number on those deals, or so
they say, Hey, we're sitting in a pretty good position, now,
what's actually maybe frontload them a little bit more than
you might otherwise to sort of preserve a little bit
more flexibility down the road.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Parker Gabril the Diver post.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, speaking of which, on that and this year, the
personal conversion to talk to about this does it concern
you at all the the over reliance and sort of
feel like on void years that they've started doing because
those are creeping into the bonux getting paid window, and
that portion of it presents a little bit of a
to me based on looking at how when Sean was
with the Saints, they very much.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Over relied on void years and it has caused has
caused them problems as time is worn on.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I think.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I think it's something you've got to be cognizant of.
Basically from here forward. Not all Voyd years are created equal.
I mean last year, you know, the most sort of
like most aggressively they use them just for clearing cap
space was last spring. You know, they they they did it.
They basically you know, restructured as much as they could
with McGlinchey and Ben Powers and.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Zach Allen and so like you don't want to be
doing that.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Like, so, not all Boy years are created equal. The
thing with Cooper is like it's eight hundred thousand dollars
in twenty twenty nine, it's not very much. I think
with Koufonga it's a little different. It's sort of like
it's weird, but it's the way that his option bonus
is set for twenty twenty seven, so it's like sort
of a two year deal and then you know, if
you but you're getting into like several void years there.
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So it's all like I think that you know, George
Payton and Richard Toddo and kind of the set of
people that are negotiating the deals are are mindful of
not being overreliant on it.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
But then you can also do the thing where it's like.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well, I guess it sort of makes sense in this
case and in this.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Case and in this case, and if you don't check
yourself on that.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You look back eventually and say, dang, maybe we overdid
it a little bit on this.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Yeah, that's that's my thing about the Layoway. You know
portion that we've seen teams be successful with having void
years and utilizing that before, I mean the Eagles just
this past year. But at the same time, an over
reliance on that can really run up the credit card
and create inflexibility in areas where you want to be
flexible after the quarterback has to hit his hit his deal.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
What do you think of the free agent class so far?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I think everybody's been excited about drag Greenlaw and Fanga
and all that. Ingram, It's he's interesting to me because
you got a lot of fans and you got him
put up the joker meam and all that, but he's
never been that Evan. Ingram's a heavy slot guy who
doesn't really play in line. He's really a heavy slot
wide receiver really. And then I like the Sherfield moves
that might have been my favorite move, and that's probably
the least discussed.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think I mean, I think you're right.
I think by and large they've done a good job
and by and large, like they just went you know,
I think George S. Payden said they you.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Know, they could be aggressive but smart about it, and
they just sort of went right.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Down their list of like we want this, we want this,
we want this, and they locked them up. I think
one thing that goes a little underappreciated maybe is the
guy that actually got the strongest deal out of everybody
with DJ Jones, and maybe not surprisingly given the way
that he's played, particularly last year, and just sort of
the continuity that they're looking for and that they've built
on that defensive line. So you know, with the guarantee
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you think the point six million guaranteed was the most
that they gave anybody, and that that was obviously DJ
So you know that.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I think obviously there's some injury risk.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I think you're right about van Ingram. It probably was
a little bit of overlap there in terms of what
Sean Payton will.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Ask him to do and what a guy like Cooper.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Cup would have done. Obviously they don't have the same player,
but you know that part of one of several reasons
why I didn't really think they were in on Cooper Cup,
you know, through that process, and so they've hit on
some needs and I don't think you know, I think
when you when you look forward to the draft, I'm
not sure that the way that they've pro free agency
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takes them out of the equation for anything. Like if
you told me they still were looking, you know, tight
end in round one, I wouldn't blink at that. Obviously
running back is still out there, There'll be some interesting
defensive line. Then there'll be some interesting receivers probably around
at twenty two. So it it all adds up to
probably improving the football team. And also you know, there's
still some needs out there that they can attack on
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draft weekend, and.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
We'll see some of that as we as we sort
of pivot towards the draft. I mean, there's still I think,
like I said, a few free agent things, the.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Running back situation.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
If JK.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Dobbins number gets right, I think they I think they're
looking at that. As you look at the draft, and
you know, the the the mock drafters have sort of pivoted.
It used to be unanimous Colston, Lovelin and all this
kind of stuff. Now you're seeing a freight train of
ol mari and Hampton, although the drafts are starting to
move him up a little bit higher than maybe not
even be available there at twenty. What is somebody that
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you like there for the Denver Broncos at twenty that
maybe maybe a little off the beaten path relative to
some of these popular mark drafts.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, I mean I think I think there's a bunch
of defensive linemen that would be sort of interesting there.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I mean, if you told me that.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Derek Harmon was there at twenty, the defensive tackle from Oregon,
you know, Shamar Stewart, you know, we'll see kind of
is he really a top ten pick? The production caused
him to slide at all obviously, Like we've seen guys
that had really you know, sort of like I think
Rashaun Gary comes to mind as a guy who was
like obviously a very good college player, but didn't have
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big sack totals and still I think he went maybe
like number twelve or something. So one of those guys,
I don't you know, Like I think you sort of
mentioned a little bit ago, Ben, Like, we'll see do
they extend John Franklin Myers. Are they going to pay
everybody on the defensive line? How does that work? Like
if you told me that there was a three tech
or a guy that had a little bit of versatility,
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even Kenneth Grant, although you know, maybe more nose tackle.
I may be a little bit more skeptical about this point,
but like if you're talking about a defensive lineman who
can be a disruptive player, rotation player, and then a
starter in twenty six going forward like that, that to
me is something that would actually make a lot of
sense that maybe doesn't get talked about quite as much.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I'm so glad you mentioned Horman because that was really
what I was fishing for there. I think that's the
one that nobody's mocking right now. That's probably the most realistic,
and then you look at some of these other needs,
whether or not l Marion Hampton's going to get there.
I do believe they will add a tight end and
a running back in the draft. You know, I've said
keep your eye on Mason Taylor at a LSU because
he'll he'll play.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
In line and they still need that. They don't have
that guy. Evan Ingram isn't that guy, but twenty percent
of the snap in lined and block like, they still
need that guy. And I wouldn't be surprised if they
do that in the draft.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
The main thing for me is this sort of receiver
thing where you know, some people are talking about a receiver. Again,
they could draft one, but I don't think it's a priority.
I think you're probably talking a late day three kind
of pick.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, you know, there's one of those positions where it's
you can find the production up and down the draft.
It'll be interesting, Like let's say they get to day three.
You know last year they did it where it was
like you took the tools with Troy Franklin and then
you took sort of like the more sure thing with
the Von Veley I would be interested to see sort
of like which way they go with that? Do you
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split the middle? You know, like what is it that there?
Are you just looking for a big, tall guy that
can really run that you're hoping to mold.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Are you looking for a guy that you know Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Is always looking for slot somebody into a specific role.
And then just one note on Mason Taylor. Like the
thing about the Broncos still, even though the staff has
been here for a while now, it is like all
of those guys tend to know LSU players really well
because of the Louisiana history. So not just Sean, but
you know, Jamar Caine was there, Bo Lowry was there,
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and so they've got obviously, like your job as a
front offices have good intel on everybody, but the Broncos
always have really good intel. I know if you guys.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Will go step further with that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
The Broncos new guy they just brought in was was
Taylor's high school coach. The guy that brought in from
the from the high school ranks down there was a
high school coach of Bason Taylor. So another connection there,
just to keep an eye on as far as that goes.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
The Broncos didn't hire.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Someone today former Washington State defensive coordinator to be the
inside linebackers coach.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
What do we think about this? Broncos moved to sudden.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
They bring in a lot of guys from the collegiate
high school ranks.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, it's sort of interesting. I mean, I think Sean
Payton one of the things he really enjoys about coaching
obviously deep, ruthless and like winning. You know, sort of
Trump's all or does trump ball. But he has made
a point I think of having some younger coaches on
his staff and wanting to sort of develop from the
college and high school rank. And so, you know, Jeff
Schmetting obviously has a lot of experience. He's been a
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defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
At Washington State, at Auburn, I think, at Boise State,
so he.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Obviously knows the game. And then you know, one of
the things, and I don't know if it's the true
like college, you know, it's a little bit of a
trope maybe, But you know, one of the things I
thought was interesting last year was vance Joseph At one
point he said, safety and inside linebacker in particular, are
positions where you can develop starting caliber players, and so
you know, that's a position where they could really use.
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Obviously they've got some veteran guys now, but they're going
to need to develop good players that aren't top of
the market players in the middle of the defense, and
so it could be partially that, and then it's also
just you're finding guys that that sort of fit what
you want to do and trying to build a good staff. Obviously,
you know Joe VIT's been around forever. He's still on
the defensive staff. So you've got some room with Jeff schmetting.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
With Isaac Schuemaker, to have some guys that.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Have either not had a position group like Shoemaker, or
not been in the NFL before like Schmidding, and sort of,
you know, maybe help bring them along a little bit.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Tom Parker gave him from the never post. Parker, what
do you give the Broncos? I always hate these grades
and all that kind of stuff, But what do you
what do you what do you think of the Broncos
overall moves this offseason?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, I think they've been good. I mean, like, if
you're to ask me, do I think they're better now
than they were at the end of the season. Like, yeah,
I do. I think that they've improved and I think,
you know, so I guess maybe that's solid b work
and then you know, and some of it's out of
the control, like there's a bunch we saw in the Broncos.
I think we're smart. I think when you look back
on it, one of the things that they should probably
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get credit for is reading the market right at defensive
tackle and getting DJ Jones back before the negotiating period
opened up, because everybody at that position with any kind
of production got paid. And so you know, I think
they fit that one in there about right, and then
check some things up the list.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
And now the question is just like you know, it's
about bo Nix. It's about have you outfitted in with enough?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Obviously the off season is not over yet, you still
have the draft, But it's about have you put a
good enough team around him? As Sean would have said
last year to you know, have you painted the right
picture around him to where he takes the next step
and he gets the added benefit of having better talent
around him and maybe you know, you stay where you were,
even get a little better defensively and that Mike, you know,
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is that enough to compete with the big dogs in
the AFC. So it's you know, the sooner we get
to September and start figuring out the answers to this stuff,
the better in my book.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yay, I'm with you on that last question here, and
I want to dovetail off that because I think that
is the question.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I'm with you. I believe they have improved as a team, and.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
I still think they could take a step backward in
the division depending on what the Chargers continue to do,
and obviously the Raiders bringing in Pete Carroll and you
know Smith is is at least giving them some credibility.
This division could be even tougher next year.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Oh definitely, Yeah, I don't think there. I mean, there
may not be a cake walk game in the division.
I mean there wasn't much last year except for the Raiders.
You know, we're bad obviously. So yeah, I'm in Vegas, Like,
I'm not saying they're going to finish second in the division,
but like, that's a pretty nice offseason so far.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
To settle the waters with Pete.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Carroll and Spy Tech as the GM, to convince Max
Crosby to stay, and then to get you know, Smith,
like you've at least put some like core competencies in
place where they're not going to roll over, and so
they have a long way to go. Obviously, the Broncos
are probably ahead of them in terms of like you know,
rebuilding building projects. But yeah, no, there's there's no easy
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games in the division. And you could be I think
we said this last year, saying will be true this year.
The Broncos could be a markedly better football team and
the record.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Could look very similar, you know, to where it was
last year.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, that's more or less. One was gay, Parker. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I hope your bracket's not too busted so far, and
let's let's enjoy some march menace.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
We're hanging in there so far. We'll see how it
goes this weekend, O brother.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Take care of Parker Gabriel. They never post while I'm
at Parker J. Gabriel on the Twitter machine. Right there.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
We come back, we'll get a chance to react to
a little bit of that, as well as talk to
Zach Seegers about his latest article on the KAE website.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
This is Marcus Country to Night Heero Kawa. The fact
there behind the glass five.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Six sixty nine zero is the text line, I got
a little mouch bad this stuff going on today. Baylor
seventy five, seventy two over Mississippi State, Alabama ninety eighty
one over Robert Morris, Iowa State cruised over Lipscombe eighty
two to fifty five. Of course, the big news of
the day SEESU seventy eight, seventy over Memphis Duke ninety three,
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forty nine over Mount Saint Mary's Saint Mary's fifty nine,
fifty six over Vanderbilt Ole, miss seventy one, North Carolina
sixty four, Maryland eighty one, Grand Canyon forty nine, Florida
ninety five, Norfolk State sixty nine nice and Kentucky seventy
six over Troy fifty seven. That is Kawe's tournament update,
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Speaker 2 (17:16):
You get to take You for Granted podcast as well,
and if you were happened to miss.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
This segment, you could get it as well with our
next guest, mister Zach Seekers.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
How you doing, buddy, I'm doing great. Thank you for
having me on. Yeah, you got some articles up there
on the Kiowa website. What do you got for us?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I got a couple published these last couple of days.
First wrote about what Matt Barrows was telling us last
week on both Broncos Country Tonight on KOA Sports about
Drake Greenlaw and Tallanoa of Funga. He's the athletics beat
writer for the San Francisco forty nine Ers there in
the Bay Area. He knows that team really well, and
I thought he gave great perspective, especially on their injury
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prone label and from his perspective, he thinks it's a
little overrated and then also just high on I did
you know, even with how many players the forty nine
ers have lost this season, the ones that Niners fancy
most upset about were those two.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, certainly there was a.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Lot of forty nine or fan gnashing of teeth with
the loss of green Law.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
You know, that was one I especially noticed there. You know,
for people we don't remember, Fray green Law does bring
it edge.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I mean, Draganlaw is the guy who mixed it up
with the Eagle security guy on the sideline. Remember when
he got suspended from the sideline.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That's the guy Gray Greenlaw was the guy that got
Dom Big Dom suspended from the sideline for for getting
into it. I think every time Dray green Law hits
a practice field, we need to have somebody with the
JBL speaker playing. Forgot about Dre because I forgot about
that Dre was the guy in that incident. So yeah,
I'm with you on that. Uh And that's that'll be
a good read.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
You can get up there. You can get those articles
over there.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Obviously on the KA website don't wait Colorado dot com.
You know, as we look at some of the free
agents that the Broncos have have signed so far, I
think the defensive and maybe Evan Ingram sort of over
shadow everything. But maybe the better moves and I hesitate
to use that phrase, but perhaps glue moves in this
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particular case would be Trent Sherfield and Matt Hack, who
you know, I think are interesting signings for the never Broncos.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
I think they're definitely interesting, and I'm a fan of
the Sherfield one. I think, you know, we kind of
saw that move completed with Lil Jordan Humphrey going to
the Giants.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I think he's going to.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Help fill some of that role that Lil Jordan Humphrey
had on offense. I think a lot of that's also
going to be Valet and Evan Ingram as well. But
I think the one that you know, I have some
pauses about Matt Hack if I'm being honest, I or hawk.
I he's a punter that hasn't been really in the
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league these last two seasons. He's appeared in five games
over the past two years, and not because he was
dealing with severe injury, but because he was viewed as,
you know, a backup hunter. You sign off kind of
the scrap heap when you need one. I think that's
a bit of a red flag. And then even when
you look at last year and look at something like
net punt average, which should give him some credit for
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being a quality directional punter, this hangtime stuff limiting returns.
If you're so good at that and you're still flipping
the field, you should rank really.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well in net punt average.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Last season, he ranked thirtieth out of thirty four qualifying punters.
So I it's punters, So I'm not going to get
that worked up over it. But I do worry that
you're maybe trading out the league's tenth best punter for
you know, maybe the league's thirtieth best punter. And when
you compound that with swapping out the special teams coordinator,
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who knows how that transition is.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Going to go.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
I think there's potential that although it looks like the
Broncos definitely got better on offense this offseason and definitely
got better on defense this offseason, I think there's good
potential they got quite a bit worse on special teams.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's entirely possible.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
And Matt for you know, it's obviously a familiar fairs
today are Rizzi. They both be intersected back there in
my Miami. But I think you're right on the nit
yards per Pont. I mean, he's been below forty.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
And five of the eight seasons that he's been in
the NFL, and that is a preposterously low number for
somebody who's a directional hangtime guy.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Ideally or at least that's the rep on him.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
He's had three punts blocked over the course of his
career and only played in five games over the last
two years.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
It makes it makes the question whether or not they're.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Going to bring in youth, whether or not you might
draft a punter or something like that, because if this
is really the plan, they must know something we don't
because there's not a lot of confidence there.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah, it would feel it would definitely smell of hubris
if they're going to just make this their one and
only plan at the position.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I really hope.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
There's some sort of competition and if Hawk beats out
that competition, like, bring in a couple guys. It's not
like these, you know, street free agent punters are overly expensive.
I just find a guy who can, you know, and
maybe another veteran another Matt Hawk's on a non guaranteed
vat minimum D. You can move off him in camp
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and it's no harm, no foul for the Broncos or
their cap situation. Sign another guy to that contract at
a UDFA off off the market, whichever UDFA you like best.
Let those three guys compete and you know, figure out
who's best at it. I just there's plenty of punter
reps to go around. It's not like quarterback or tight
end or something where I'm I'm worried I'm disrupting chemistry
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or disrupting development.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I just make this guy earn the job. I wouldn't
just give it to.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Him because Rizzny's familiar with him. I think the his
resume is shaky enough that he should have to go
and earn it. Yeah, and he's been on several teams
since Miami. He's been back and forth with Buffalo. He
got signed to Arizona, Cleveland, the New York Giants, who
he played like a couple of games for last year.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You get signed December third by the Jags and then
cut a week later after that without ever ever punting
for them. You know, he was a guy who when
he came in the league, was came in an athletic
punter sub four six forty, which is certainly athletic for
a you know, for a punter. But you know, if
you can't handle the punting portion of that, that sort
of presents a bit of a problem as we look
around that in other moves the Broncos could make talked
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a little bit about j K. Dobbins the potential for
adding him to this roster. I don't think any moves
that they make at this point would preclude them from
doing anything in the draft, because I believe they will
add a veteran and a rookie running back to that room.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Do you think that's the smart move? Yeah, I think
it is.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I think in an ideal world, you'd maybe draft to
guys just because this class is so loaded with talent,
and right now, at this point in free agency, the
free agent class isn't I think there's really.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
One appealing option left at this point.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Now.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
That said, knowing the Broncos situation, which is Sean Payn's
the head coach, and even in past situations where Alvin
Kamara was a pretty immediate sensation, mark Ingram was a
first round running back selection. Both those guys, although they
had heavy workloads their first year, it was more of
a fifty to fifty split in the backfield. They came
into better backfields where there was more reasonable competition with
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Pierre Thomas, and then Alvin Kamara had to deal with
the afore mentioned mark Ingram. But I still don't think
you should expect that rookie whoever he is to get
more than sixty percent of the snaps and touches in
that backfield.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I just yeah, so I think you need a veteran
to that.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Sean Payton's gonna feel comfortable with maybe on those pass
protecting nowns. I think that's why Javonte Williams had the
role that he did as long as he did, even
when it looked like his legs were gone this past season.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, it's a good talk with Zach Seekers and that
that is part of the thing. I mean, in Sean
Payton's backfield, you've got to be able to do at
least one of two things. And you look back at
the backfield that he's constructed over the years, he will
keep one of those fast guys that can catch passes
on the roster with it's Richie Bush, Darren Sproles, Delia
mcloff or whatever. But they tend to have two or
three guys that are that kind of are battering rams,
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you know. And you go back if you look at
some of the guys that he's had over the years,
and guys like you know, mark Ingram or Pierre Thomas
or Latavious Murray. He tends to love those guys that
are right around the six foot mark tw or are
heavier and could catch a little bit out of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
But they really are there to run, you know. They
want to run gap, and they want to run power, and.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
They want to come at you with with guys that
will wear you down. Oh of course that Alba Kamara
might be the only real bell cow back he ever had,
and that's such a unique, you know, sort of thing
that he's had. I would not be surprised to them
to bring in, like we said to Dobbins and then add,
you know somebody whoever that may be with it at all,
Marion Hampton, whether that's.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
You know, somebody a little bit later in the draft,
who knows. And I hope they have some aggression there.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
I know we were talking yesterday and I think koa
Sports or No. It was that first hour of Roucas
Country tonight about how JK. Dobbins is kind of the
guy for them at running back, and I get why
you look at the market, there's not many great options
for them to pivot off to. I mean, Jamichael Hasty
or I don't know, maybe Trey Sermon. You could talk
yourself into that. I think Nick Chubb and Gus Edwards
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are probably the most likely backup plans. But those guys
don't appeal to me at all either. Maybe Jamal Williams,
but he was rough in pass protection last year.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
It feels like JK. Dobbins or Bust. So I I wish.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
They'd be a little more aggressive rather than waiting for
that price to come down.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I don't think his asking price.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
And maybe I'm not sourced at all, but I doubt
his asking price. Just looking at the free agent running
back market, is that ridiculous?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
You know?
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Are they waiting for a six million dollar price to
come down to four or something like that? Like, I
just you already missed out on Rico Dawdle signing for
less than three million dollars. You have cap space to spend.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
It's easy.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
I know they're kind of getting up against it. It's
easy to free up more. I just this is the
last option. This is the last girl who hasn't been
asked to the dance yet, like, get on it. Yeah,
And I do believe that they are waiting for that
number to come down, and I think that's a part
of what's going on there.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I think they understand that they've got backstops in the draft.
They don't have to spend to a certain number. They've
got a number. This is the number, and that's just.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Going to be it.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
And he's either going to get his price down, and
every day that ticks Brye, his price comes down closer
and closer to that number. So I mean, we'll see,
we'll see what they get done. A lot of fans
out there screaming or class I'm ring for wide receiver help.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I really, you know, I tried to be as forthright.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
As I could when the season ended that I didn't
think that's a priority for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
As we got closer to this, we kind of see
it's not there.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Maybe a down roster sort of receiver ad, maybe a
Day three ad in the in the draft. But I again,
I think they feel like Vonvallet and Mims and maybe
to a lesser extent, Troy Franklin really are good enough
to be able to execute in this offense.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
So how do you think that future the receiver room
breaks down? Because I can see that vision. Honestly, I'm
not that opposed to it. I hope they keep setting
for another season at least just to keep that safety
net in place for bo Nix.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I think that's important.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
But I think what Mims showed you down the stretch
next year, there's reason to believe that there's something in there.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Devon Valley. I see fans talking about, well, he's already
twenty seven.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I'd worry about that once the rookie contract comes to
an end, like he's an awesome player. He should be
an awesome player for the remainder of his rookie deal.
The best receiver or most productive by far rookie receiver
drafted after Lad McConkey in that class, no one even close.
I just the seventh round label is going to make people,
I think, continue to sleep on him. But I think
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he's a very good receiver. I'm with you there, Franklin.
I'm waiting see on. But this team still has three
receivers on rookie contracts. If they add another guy in
the fourth, fifth round, and you can find receivers in
that range of the draft, you'll have, you know, a
receiver room of six guys, which is more than Sean
Payne's carried in the past with Sherfield, and four of
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them right, four of them will be on rookie deals.
That's a fine you know, investment in the future of
this room, I think, and they can ride that out.
I'm just curious if they do draft a guy, where
where is it Because we've seen Devon Valet kind of
thrive primarily in the slot.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Maybe they project him to the X, but we haven't
seen it yet. Mims.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Maybe he's projected as the Z long term, but he's
really thrived in the slot. Evan Ingram's going to mainly
thrive in the slots, and so I feel like that
spot's taken care of. But I wonder how they view
their future at the other two. Well, I think that's
I think that's sort of the thing people forget. Valay
had cracked ribs at the beginning of the season last year.
That's what held Mack. He only wound up starting seven games.
He caught seventy five percent of the balls throwing his way.
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Quarterbacks had a passer rating of one eighteen point four
throwing to him. He only had three drops on the
entire season out of fifty five targets.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
You know, I mean he he had eleven point six
yards per touch from scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
The bab Malay is better than people remember. And I
think the other part of this that people don't remember is,
you know, he was good at the cop He's a
four four to seven forty guy at the combine.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
You know, Valay is a better player than.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
People think, and I think they view him eventually projecting
into that Courtland Sutton role, but they can use him
in other ways right now. He can be in the slot,
he can be the X whatever. I think Evan Ingram's
gonna eat up a lot of those slot things. And
that's the thing that sort of fascinates me is because
I mean, you saw having Ingram post the Joker thing
and you see all that, but he's never been used
like that. Evan Ingram is not really an in line
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tight end. He is a heavy slot wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Like I counted the Ingram signing as signing a wide receiver,
I didn't even count it as signing a tight end.
And so you know, I think there are I think
you're going to see more clearly defined roles this year,
where maybe last year they were trying a few things
out with some of those things.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
One of the things that gets to mentioned to people.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Like, well, you could put mems in the backfield guys,
I'm telling you, if Mims has multiple snaps in the
backfield this year, something went horribly horribly wrong for the
Denver Broncos.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Really you don't You don't think though I liked that
look like, I don't think you should make it, uh
foundation of the offense or anything like that. If he
gets more than like five snaps out of the out
of the season like that, something went wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I mean I would buy it.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Because I think a lot of it was them kind
of grasping at straws for some sort of solution in
the wake.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Of how rough that running back room was. Uh, but yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
It should be a more crowded backfield next year. I'm
wondering if it estimates Tho as a shot because to
my point about Peyton not trusting h you know some
of these younger running backs.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I honestly was out on estimate.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
After I saw him as a healthy scratch of the
playoff game, I was like, Okay, well, the staf's telling.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
They're telling them.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, they tell me what they think.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
But I'm thinking on it could easily just be Cope.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
But I'm thinking, did they have that lower opinion of them?
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Because this is a staff that historically has a lower
opinion of rookies, and maybe over this offseason, you know,
a full off season, if he gets a better mastery
of the offense down or shows something more in pass protection,
is he more in that race than I'm thinking, Because
I've kind of been admittedly writing him off as I
try and project what that future room looks like. I
(31:36):
forget about him and just look at McLaughlin as the
carryover I feel, and I'm the same way with you
there and the way that I look at that room again,
I do believe they'll bring in a veteran and draft
a rookie and continue to detective. But the problem with
putting Mims in the backfield isn't you know, hey, it's
novel and whatever else, it's when you put in the backfield,
you know what's coming. Marvin Mims is not in there
for past protection and he is not running between the tackles,
(31:59):
so you know what happening When.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Martin the ooms goes back to the defense says.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Alert and they know what's happening. And it's a reason
like when they put him back there, there really wasn't much,
you know, they really didn't do much out of it.
You saw a mountain er swing play or whatever, you
kind of know what's happening when you put him back there.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I wouldn't mind them showing a look like that every
once in a while, just to have some fun with it.
But the reality is, if that becomes something that you
have double digit plays over the course of the season,
something would horrendously wrong with the running back group.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Yeah, if they are having to go to that regularly,
I think there's absolutely something wrong there, not only because
of what it says about their additions elsewhere in terms
of like upgrading the up offensive weapons around the roster,
but what it says about Mims's development.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I think mems to get the most out of him
in his career.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
We need to see him evolve beyond just being kind
of this gadget player, this slot player into kind of
what I think they wanted him to be at.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
The start of last season, like the true Z future
at Z for this team.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
And if he's doing a lot of that backfield stuff,
I'd say the Z experiment probably failed.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Zach.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
We appreciate it as always. Where can they find your stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Check it out over on KOA Colorado talked about that
one with Matt Barrows, but also quoted Benny Fowler when
he was in here highlighting the similarities between Dre Greenlaw
and a keeb to Leib and TJ Ward, those past
bark plugs of the Broncos defense. I think Broncos Country
will enjoy that a.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Lot, looking forward to Drey Snats and some change Zach
Seegers when we come back. Rich de Rosis in the
Pro Football Hall of Famous to Broncos Country
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Night here on Kawa
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