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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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get involved in the conversation. Big show tonight, a lot
of fun. I'm gonna get back to some of the
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
How you doing today? Uh?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Decked out and all your Star Wars Raiders colors there,
Nick ferguson what well that.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
My two more Raiders colors, So I really can't say much.
That was more of Star Wars reference.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Well, well, yeah, so I'm never wearing Raiders colors right
that that's not the idea? Am I wearing Star Wars
colors to show my geekiness?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Absolutely? So was Lotos.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
But you got to be at the gray and black
on man, you didn't want to get to go. I
got the red Millennium Falcon shirt.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Okay, well have you worn that yet? I don't know?
Have I I don't know. All the time I see
you dress in black like you you love the cure. Well,
look morning, okay, what career? Well, we need to find
a way to brighten that up.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It gets you to wear some more vibrant colors in
Brant went to a Spade where I did that. I
went to a Spade where I did that where I
was like.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh man, we're not talking about your suits you were
on game day.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
We're just different. I'm just that's a one off. Yes, Yes,
we had a great.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Text on the text line yesterday that said Ben over
dresses when he doesn't need to and underdresses the rest
of the time.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I think that's appropriate. Yes, yes, that is.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
That is true because Ben comes in here like sometimes,
like like last year when it was like super cold outside,
this dude coming in here with some shorts on, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Like, what are you doing? You know how this works
if it.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Snows here and you get stuck because your car, you know,
can't go through the snow.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I mean, you're gonna just be.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Like a pair of prints, uh chat pants.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well, it's not snowing inside and I want to be
comfort Oh did fix that hole in the roof? It
is fines shout out that I heard for fixing the
hole in the.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Roof, Broncos pig thatd I have resigned.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Michael Burton the fullback. What do you think? What do
you think about that? Hey? Good for him.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I actually saw him in MAUI a couple about a
week ago, yep.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
And I'm happy for him.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Because now he comes back to a scheme that he's
familiar with. I wonder how with Burton coming back, how
that's going to change the Broncos offense and how they execute.
And the reason I say that we know Evan Ingram
is here and we know how they plan on using him,
and Nate Aker seems to be he's gone. He's gone
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from like the short yardage running back, which he doesn't
want to be called the fullback, to a.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Short yardage tight end. Yeah. Yeah, he's h back.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
So in certain critical situations, if you burned me, like,
hey one, I'm on the team. But I know on
those short those third and short so I guess shortened
goal line type plays they gonna call Nate akins in.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
He's gonna get the glories. I wonder how much run
blocking he'll be doing.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I mean, if you look at and it'd be interesting
because there's not something that Sean Payton is typically done.
But if you look at the moves that they've made
this offseason, it sort of suggests they're looking at some
twelve personnel type stuff with Ingram being able to be
flexed out a little bit, you know, here or there,
and you know you can kind of wonder if maybe
not just twelve, if you see some twenty two personnel.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
For me, I live for you know, twenty two personnel.
I'm here for it. I love two tight ends.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, because when you get into you know, we call
like twenty one pony, you get two running backs in there.
Now defensively, you say, okay, well, are you in your
base coverage or uning your sub coverage?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And if a team goes defensively into the sub package,
which means they're putting extra dB in, does that guy
know run fits? And other than knowing run fits, is
he willing to stick his face into fan? Because if
he's not, Now you me have two calls at one time,
and you ought to move to that second call to say, okay,
we're gonna run at this particular guy because you've got
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a smaller defender in the box and he's not used
to tackle him. And that's where you know, Burdon can
really pay dividends based on his size. But for me,
I would love to see the Broncos run more power,
just kind of mix some things up. Keep Quinn miners
out there on the edge, right, Pull Burton and your
fullback out there, and you're gonna get some dbs making
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some business decisions. And all we need you to do
is not staying square, but just turn. It's just open
the door.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And say old laid sixty yards down the field.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
To me, it's something that's sort of fascinating, I think
is the way the Broncos run game over the years
to sort of deteriorate it is they've gotten away from
the fullback, right, and I feel like that's the way
to sort of get it back Denver Broncos football traditionally,
you know, especially post Mike Shanahan is, you know, is
what outside zones has stretch play with the fullback leading
the way and you know, and then to get into
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north cont the you know, from the running back and
he's officer rations. And it hasn't been that way since
well really since Peyton Manning, I mean a little bit
before that. I mean, you know, with when Josh McDaniels
came in, they went away from that. They kind of
kind of went back to a little when Tebow was there,
but he got away from it, and they've just been
away from it since Peyton Manning, it's not been Gary
Kubiak sort of tried to do a little bit. Peyton
really just couldn't reach to do that stretch, and so
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they kind of scrapped that. Broncos haven't been a full
back lead team, and I kind of wonder if maybe
that's in the cards this year.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, you don't have to be a fullback lead team
because as you look around the of the thirty one teams,
the fullback position by definition is arcade within itself. Right.
We can to definitely agree with that because you look
at Kyle's juicek he is he has the position title
of a fullback, but he's not. He's a tight end
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playing the fullback position. And it works well in that
Kyle Shenahan offense because he's athletic, he can move, he
can position himself, or he can get two guys at
the same time. And what I mean, if it's an
outside zone, he can reach that outside guy, put a
hand on him, push him, and then climb to kick
out the corner a seal that that linebacker coming from inside.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
There are not too many guys who can do that.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
And you look at Michael burd Burton is not built
for that athletically, right.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You know, he's not the most dip no.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Because he's built like a throwback fullback right like back
in the nineties, he would have been great, but he
doesn't have that foot quickness in athleticism.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And since we know that he's.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Not that type of guy, well calling certain plays to
keep him on the field, but also to make sure
that he is productive offensively because if not, then now
you got to remove him off the field. Go with
more of a Lucas Krawl Evan Ingram type of twelve
personnel type of situation because you want more speed of
athleticism on the field.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I just feel like that this could and it's a
no risk move. I mean, Burton's thirty three, it's a
no risk move. He doesn't work out in camp, can
cut him, it doesn't, it's not hurt you any of
the way. So, uh, I do like to move Burton.
When he came into the league ten years ago, twenty fifteen,
I mean, he was a you know, he was a
four to six five guy. He's more athletic than you
think he is. You know, he weighs more than he
did at the time. Yeah, he's up to you know,
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he's up to two fifty now like a you know,
like a like a good solid fullback, and you know
he's I just for me, I would love to see
and it would be I don't want to say be antithetical,
but it would be something that Sean Payton hasn't done,
certainly in a long time. Is switching, you know, going
back to traditional Denver Bronco football, where all of a sudden,
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you're hitting zone runs, you're running the stretch, you run
on the outside zone, you know, and you've got you've
got a fullback.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
In there paving the way for a Mari and Hampton. Dude,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You got to you got a fullback going going through this,
you know, and then and then you got a guy
who is an open field menace like Hampton behind him.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Well, you got to be careful about that too, says Burton.
Is not your I guess, prototypical eighth bag. He's your
idea full back. There's a difference between the two. The
full back is more of a thicker, downhill lead ISO
type guy.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That h back.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
He's still is kind of like a move guy, but
you don't really look to him to be like, that's
a period blocker, but he can do it.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
He knows how to sell the edges.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So you have to be careful because if every time,
just like when Jealel McLoughlin is in the game, just
like when Philip Lindsay was in the game, the defenders
are like, oh, well, we have.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
A large idea of what they may run.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
So you can't have a full run of offense where
your fullback would dictate exactly where the ball is going.
And this is an extraordinary thing that I love about
playing for the Broncos under Mike Shanahan, but more importantly
playing and practicing against our offense because they show us
things that we wouldn't ordinally receive from other teams, but
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it prepared us. And the one play that they used
to run that would set things up, and Alex Gibbs
was a great teacher of this. They set up the
outside zone right and you think the outside zone is
leading with the fullback, whether he's aligned or he kind
of shifts the motions to that side. They ran this
play which called they called it a crossfire. So you
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get this just picture has visualized this right close the
eyes and we're running outside zone to the left. The
fallback is leading right, but then he'll take two or
three steps and then he'll wind back.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Because almost like a counter.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yes, because that edge rushers, he's getting so far down
the line of Scrimmage's not upfield, he's getting down.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
The line of scrimmage. So it opens up two plays.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
It opens that the place for that fullback to come
up the back door and then tell a play.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That Jake Plumber.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I love watching Jake run this in practicing games, the
naked boot game.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, well see this is where I go because this
is where I'm at with it, because yeah, you can
if you running that out and you're getting effective with
that stretch of the outside zone or whatever, then you
open up that boot b to the right side, right
and you've got if you've got a guy like Marvin
Miham's running the fly or the post back there, you
got your full back, you got your full back or
your h back run the wheel behind it.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
You know, you go.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You go to find something on that backside that's going
to be successful because you're gonna have a defense leaning
then they're trying to get back the other way, and
it's gonna open things up on the other side, and.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Then the other thing to piggyback off of that. Then
you run first, you run that play, it goes away.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
That run it that wide receiver runs and cut off
the backside corner. Now the next thing he does is
he runs a start of go right. Well, he runs
like he's going to cut him off that corner thing
is outside his own trying to run to get over
the top, and then he.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Peels out and gets vertical.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
This is why when I when I look at plays,
I look at them from a defensive standpoint, right, what
is the offense trying to do to the team?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And every coach I've.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Been around, and I've been around some smart run from
Kyle to Mike mcdames, who Mike Shanahan is. They are
setting things up even if you stop it, they're setting
it up. And for me, the Broncos have an opportunity
with bringing Burton back and with Evan Ingram having them
to do something a little different. But now, although that
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hinges on one thing, then something that we don't typically
see from the Sean Payton's offense, your quarterback being under center.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, and that's not been so you know, Sean Payton
has not been an under center quarterback guy.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
He's not been a pre snap motion guy.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Both those things, I think are something that you and
I both have talked about quite a bit over the
last couple of years, is that we'd love to see
him incorporate portions of that. I don't want him get
too far away from being who he is as a coach,
but I'd love to see him incorporate some of that stuff.
I mean, the pre snap motion is an advantage for
an offense, you know, and being under center allows you
to do some things that you can't do from out
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of the gun.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, but I mean change and evolution is a part
of the game. No one's saying that Sean Payton or
any coach has to scrap anything that he is created
the identity that they had.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, I'm not saying go become North Turner where you're
under your end of the eye.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
And I'm not talking about, you know, incorporating a lot
of old school football.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
But old school football worked.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And based on how the game is right now, it's
how can you throw a different wrinkle at the defense,
something different that they can say, well, you know, Sean
Payne's been coaching in this league about what you say
about twenty seven years.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It's been a while, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Certainly in the nineties he was with the Eagles, so
it's been you know, it's been over twenty five years
that he's been coaching.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Okay, So there is a book on every single coach,
and I'm sure that Sean Payton has a book on
other coaches.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Right, I don't even have.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
To guess this, And at a I don't make wages,
so I'm definitely not gonna put my own money on it.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
But for the sake of argument, I.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Bet you Sean Payton has some kind of video logue
or a book on Mike Shanahan.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I bet that right.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And just like he has that book on Mike, there's
a book on him that someone has on him. So
it's like, can you break your tendencies? And the way
I look at it like this, Ben, and you've played offense.
You know, I've never played offense.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
But it's like.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Being a magician, right, being a magician, either you the
guy being a street musician on the corner, or you
David Blaine or David Copperfield. What I'm going to show you,
You know, you don't have to be unless you want to.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
But the idea is that I'm going to show you something.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I'm going to wave my hand in front of you,
my right hand, and I'm going to get your attention,
and meanwhile I'm sticking my left hand in your pocket
taking your money. It's got to be that type of
thing when you're setting up the defense. So this is
the evolution where I would like to see the Broncos
incorporated a couple of things with Sean Payton Steele.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Who he is, Yeah, I to and Sean Payton got
to start in the in the pros with the Eagles
in ninety seven as the quarterbacks coach, who was on
this staff with you know Ray Roads and John John
Rude and all those guys from back of the day. Now,
he'd been coaching at San Diego State, Indiana State, at Miami, Ohio,
and Illinois before that, but his NFL start was ninety seven,
so he's been almost almost thirty years. I mean it's
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twenty eight years at this point. Yeah, there's a book.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You know, there is a book everybody, and so that's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I just as watching some of these moves, I'm like, man,
it really feels like they're setting this offense up for
something different than what he's traditionally done. You know, the
roster construction portion of it, I sort of got because
he has done it that way. But the personnel and
looking at what you have and what you're bringing in
and bring it back, it really does look like that
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this is sort of, you know, maybe pivoting to something
a little bit heavier than what the league.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
The league is. The league is heavy eleven.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
The league does eleven personnel, one running back, one tight end,
and you know they you know, that's what the league
has banned over the last few years, and it sort
of feels like the Broncos maybe zigging when everybody.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Else is zagging.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, as long as that zigging and zagging means that
you're going vertically opposed to horizontally, I'm okay with that
because with the guys that they're arming themselves with offensively,
to me, I think it would be a disservice to
everyone if those guys are not constantly moving vertically because
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for me, once again with my defensive mind, you get
a lot of plays those jet sweeps.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
What are they setting up? We watched Pat Shermer.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Faked the jet sweep like one hundred times. I mean,
Judy out there to get his cardio. It's like, okay,
if you're gonna fake.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
It and you're gonna run it, okay, it's got to
set something else up right at some point you have
to do with it, because if you're not, you're just
wasting precious time and possessions. So so, and I'm glad
you mentioned, you know, Marvel Mams early on that that's
a guy who really kind of got outside of the box.
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And then the Broncos in my opinions, like, okay, well
here's a hidden gym.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, gotta see what we can do with it. This this,
this does this off. Yeah, this is we left at
the doghouse for tap the season.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
And I still don't understand because you mentioned that before
during the season, that he found himself in the doghouse
for what.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
It beats me.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
That's one of those things I don't know the answer to.
But what I what I will say is when they
finally remember, oh yeah, our most dynamic playmaker or somebody
we're not using, maybe we should start doing that.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And you saw what happened. The team took off.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
He started scoring more martins, got better every game, he
was literal and you could literally look at the.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Box scores and see his ascendants in every game.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
And it's I'm glad you brought that up because once before,
like last night, you mentioned, well, talking about Courtland Sutton,
you mentioned Devon Vylay that that may be the guy. See,
they love Vylay because he's he moves like a Tim Patrick,
he was younger, there's no injuries and cost effective, but
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it's Marvin Mimes who may force the team when they
started to think about Cortland Sutton, that could be the guy.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I think they in my opinion, I think what they
end up doing is that Vela takes over the X
spot from Courtland and the use Memes is the Z
and then you'd have Ingram as kind of an off
the line why you know, flexed out there as well.
And then you'll have, depending on how they run that bunch,
you'll have different people rotating to the I think that
would be their ideal setup.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
But we'll see.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
And a matter of fact, I got a player talked
about him before Broncos bringing them in for a Top
thirty visit tell.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You about it. We come back right here on Katway.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Sweltering Country tonight Benjamin Old, Brian Nick Ferguson, Grand Smith, Grant.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Is it warm in there too? It's a cool sixty
seven in here?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Okay, yeah, it is a sweltering inferno here propping the
door open it and we've got the temperature down to
seventy eight degrees.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'm disliking you right now. Grant in here, yes, Grants,
Grants and the Arctic over there work. They take care
of the important people, will right.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
That makes sense? Keep us coming right. Toy made sure
that they are and there was working. But that's that's
how much in here hole.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Work, sweating it out. Five sixty six nine zeros and text.
I had a couple of good text coming in. We'll
get to those here and a minute.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I teach something before we hit the break, and that
was a player because people have been talking about the
Broncos and wide receivers and I've kind of said, hey, look,
they're they're not really in on adding.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
To that room.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Maybe if it's a lower tier free agent kind of thing,
and or you know, a Day three draft pick, and
I do. I do have a name that sort of
lines up with that, because they have brought some guys
in u Tesla from Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You know, they get some guys they've sort of.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Brought in to take a look at both those guys,
you know, Day three tech guys.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
One thing I will.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Say, there's some reporting out there about the Broncos and
wide receivers and checking in on certain guys.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
You know, as far as that stuff goes. The Broncos
call about everything. They want to know the price tag
on everything.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
So if you see a report out there they say
the Broncos are checking in on something, that does not
necessarily mean that they are interested or making an offer
any of those.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Kinds of things. They checked in on Cooper Cup as
they called Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And Cooper Cupp had a conversation the friday before you
know all stuff, you know, uh, before he ended up signing.
They had a conversation. They want to know the price
tag on anything. They called about Stefan Diggs. They weren't serious,
they were going to bring it in, but they want
to know the price tag on everything. And I think
that's that's good, that's due diligence.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
But I just want to.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Clear something up because I've seen some stuff out there
that some people asked me today. They're like, well, you
told us that they weren't you know that they weren't
in on that, but the fact that they called to
get the price tag, that's that's what they do.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
The Broncos call about everything to get the price tag.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
So there are a lot of people that use that
as leverage saying stuff of like, uh, the Broncos are
in on this or that. You know, like for instance
with the Deebo Samuel thing, they were not in on
debo at all.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
What they did call to get the price Okay, I
just want to know what it costs. That's what they do.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well, that's called doing your due diligence, right the general manager,
good coach, they know. I mean if you if you're
not doing that, then you're not really doing your job right,
even though it maybe guys that you have no type
of ambition in bringing in, But you want to figure
out what that number looks like, what teams are willing
to give up and sacrifice to acquire that particular player,
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but more importantly, what does that look like in form
of dollars and cents.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
So it gets you an opportunity to kind of.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Look at your board, look at some of your guys
who are currently own your roster and figure out, Okay,
well are we too high or we too low on
these particular things.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
But that's what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
You know what the cost is around the league, and
then you also know the value your own guys. Like
if somebody calls about your guys, you know, hey, look
if we were willing to part with something, now we
know what the approximate market is.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
It's just smart business.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
And so that that's one of those things I want
to clary because I got several messages today for people
that were talking about that. I'm like, look, yes, the
Broncos they call about everything. Even so if you want
to claim that they're interested because of that, cool. I
don't consider an interest until somebody makes an offer.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, you know, someone has to actually make Once again,
let me back up on that.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
It's not about making an offer.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
It's about making a real substantial offer.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Right that.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Well, a team can really look at it and say,
you know what, this team is not trying to gouge us, Right,
it's a legitimate deal. It's something that benefits both of us.
So let's go ahead and take a look at it.
Let me run up the flagpole. If everything checks out,
I'll come back with you and then I'll give you
thumbs up.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Thumbs now, yep, I want to make sure that I'm.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Understanding you correctly, because I might have misunderstood you coming
into this segment looking at the Broncos roster from a
wide receiver room.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Do you think that they are settled with what they have?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I think they may add a Day three type draft
pick or a very very low tier free agent.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Just depends.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
But I think the name I teased before that JALN Royal,
so I talked about it before. Do you toll state,
I think they are possibly looking at somebody just in
case the Troy Franklin thing doesn't work, who can be
sort of a between the numbers, middle of the field
type receiver.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
That's exactly what Royals is.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
You go back and you look at what Sean Payton
looks at these archetypes for these different guys, and he
kind of measures up favorably to Trey Kwan Smith back
when he was in his Of course, tra Quae actually
came out here for a little while as well, but
tray Quan Smith is kind of the guy I think
that you know they want that type of receiver and
Royals out of Utah State sort of fits that mold.
So I would not be surprised if somewhere between the
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fourth and seventh round they draft somebody. It would be
surprised with Royals who they brought in for to to
sort of be that guy that between the numbers wide receivers,
so you can have mimes on the outside as the
z who can run the you know, the bang nine
or the eight, you know, who run the post of
the fly, and then and then you've got over on
the other side, you've got courtlean Sutton or Dvavela who
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can run the slant you know, curl, comeback, hitch whatever
over there. And then you've you've sort of got Now
you've got ingram as an off the line why kind
of tight end, you know, can run some clear out
stuff and help you create space in there.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I think they want that other guy.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Who can sort of like especially if you're on a
like Mills concept right where you know, the receivers up
and then all a sudden he's cutting back across the field.
They need somebody who can work that area, and they
don't have that right now. And so I think that
that is something that they're looking at see.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Look, man, I disagree with that whole idea that the
Broncos are settled with their guys. And you can like
the guys in the room, but do you love them?
And that's where the rubber meets to roll. And I
look at it from this standpoint, everything that the Broncos
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are doing are to help one person and one person
only that is your quarterback.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
That's bow Nicks, right.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Because Sean Payton pushed all the trips to the center
the table for bo.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
That's why Russ is not here, right.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Sean wanted his own guy that he can mentor he
can groom, and he can say I had Drew breathe,
Now I got this guy too as well.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
So with that being said, it's about scoring points.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
It's about keeping pace with the other quarterbacks around the league,
but more importantly in the AFC from a conference standpoint,
And the only you do that is that you continue
to add young, vibrant, skillful athletic players. So I would
personally look at the Broncos room and I like a
lot of guys in the room, but I would say.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well that that is not a room that I'm settled with.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Right, Okay, in that in that phrasing, I guess I
could agree with you. I don't think they're ever settled
as far as that goes. I think they're always looking
to improve in that regard. I just like from the
conversations that I'd had, I would say that what they're
looking at is not necessarily with the fan base on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
You know, the fan base on Twitter said now.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
That we need Demo and Cooper Cup and you know
Amari Cooper is going to be our wide receiver five
and all this kind of stuff, And I'm like, that's
that's just not I mean, that is not with how
they're looking at it at all. They are happy with
the young guys, they do want them, but if they don't,
if they're not, they do want to have other guys
and they believe could take over.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Like you can't. You can't put everything on Troy.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Franklin taking a giant jump in your two right, or
even my guy to Bamba Lay Like you can't, you
can't do that.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
So I do think that.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
They want to add bodies and improvement to the room,
But I don't think that they're out there saying, you know,
we need to be paying top of the market money
to you know, do a receiver that's already established.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Well, no, no, you don't. You don't have to do that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
But if there was a guy that was out there
in the salary, fit within the framework with the Broncos
were willing to pay that particular player, I'm like, you
always add that talent. See, I'm always going to refer
back to things that I've experienced and I've seen myself
in my early days with the New York Jets when
Parcels was there, Wayne Corbett had already established himself outside
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of Keishawn Johns Green Lantern, right, and then guess what happens.
That didn't stop them from bringing in Lavernius Coles, right,
and it stopped them from bringing in set Tane Moss.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
The idea is that you want to get better.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
You want to make sure that you have a room
where every single guy's pushing the other so no one
falls into this lull that we all can. You know,
we've all done it before, and it's being complacent. You
never want anyone to be or feel as though, man,
you know I made it, I'm good. No, that's not
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what I learned from being around Bill Parcells.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
You know you can't.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
You can't send no complacent. Everything's got to be we're
improving at all times because it hope is the guys
that are there that approved to the level that you want.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Man, way all look at I I got to go
back to this game time and time again because it
was so important. You go back to the Buffalo bill
game and he said, well, what did you see?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
The Broncos didn't win that game. So you can't sit
and be rest on your laurels and like, Okay, we're here,
we made it. We get to the playoffs. No, that's
not part of the standard. The standard is getting to
the playoffs, building on every single year and getting better.
If any player, any member of this fan base, or
any coach is just satisfied with the fact that you
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have overcome the drought, you've said yourself up for ful failure.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Going back to the Broncos country tonight.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Pends, But all right, Dick Ferson Gras Smith, it's just
even warmer tomorrow, apparently, get to set a record like
seventy eight degrees tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Already breaking that record in the studio.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I know, I'm just saying outside we could cool off
by coming in here.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Just saying you guys are looking to be crazy. Stup.
Sweating the heat has been known to create confusion. I'm
sweating like a center in church. Just say you really
rephrase that from your comments usually use a little too
crass for the uh, you know, for their waves. So
he makes no rocking a hoodie in there.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
He's got like the hoodieyat and the hat everything. I'm like,
I just I'm sweating looking at him.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Well, because here's what I do doing the break, I
keep I leave the studio.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I mean he's cool. He goes outside, he goes outside. Yeah,
it's like sixty degrees in the you know in the
bolted back there. Wouldn't it be crazy if it's the
same temperature everywhere in the building. You think we have
the technology to figure that out? Out? Why? Incredible stuff?
Fat six six nine.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Zeros text I a lot of good texts coming, and
somebody asked for royals would even be available in the
fourth round.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I think he's a Day three guy.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I'm reasonably confident on that, So we'll see see how
that goes. Sam tuelsas Rogers retires, shot or Sanders are
the Raiders is his guess. That's not my guess, but hey,
you know, stranger things have happened. Nine nine, drop a
bug in George and Shawn's here to go get that man.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Like my Jalen Royals. What else we got here? Somebody
likes our coverage six on nine.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I'd like to see more twelve and twenty two personnel.
We also need the return of Ben's big board. Remember
that we used to do that segment with Brian.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
We didn't think I could do that.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
We can do that with you know, just say you're
coming here and do a different position group every night
to our top five that we have graded out for
the draft, and maybe throw a sleeper in there.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
We can move it. Maybe maybe start that on Monday.
I like it.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Do it?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
There we go? Does do that?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
You know you guys got to do sending your suggestions.
You programmed the show. I'll let you guys. I'll let
you guys do that.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I want to get to the c U stuff. We'll
probably get to that a little bit later.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
We got the Ian Rapaport's cuts from KO Sports earlier today.
I do want to get to those a little bit
later as well. I'm trying to look here. Did you
see this steven a stuff? Where he said if Lebron
put hands on him, he'd swing on him.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, I saw that, and there's a little of truth
to what steven A said he was swing on him.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Might not connect.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
We'll probably get last there's a video, but we've seen those.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Images of a guy being bullied and the bully has
his hand on his on his top of his head,
and the guy just swinging and well and he's not
he and hitting a damn thing. That would be steven A,
because you know, is steven A attempted to hit Lebron James,
it's gonna be two hits, one steven A missing and
then the second one with stephen A hitting the floor.
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That man put his hands on me, I would have
immediately swung on him.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Immediately.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Well, immediate might have been a few seconds later when
he realized he'd been swung on.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
After he picked himself up off the floor.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But I see anybody buying stephen A, who's fifty seven
years old is tough guy.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Act, No one's buying it. And stephen A's selling Wolf
tickets because this is one of those things He's been
able to parlay into a larger conversation than he deserved.
Was Lebron somewhat wrong and how he approached the situation. Absolutely,
And there's a lot more to that particular story. But
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you know, stephen A wouldn't bust a grape.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
In a fruit fight because me totally.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I mean, let's be He loves to talk real tough
on the Full Letter Network about who he is, who
he worked for, who he's covered right, and he's made
a hell of a career for himself. But he doesn't
need to be out here talking tough like that, like
he's actually about that life.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
No he's not. He's he's no.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Different than the individuals who talk tough on Twitter about
what they're gonna do and say all these things.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
And it's great to hide behind characters, but.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
When someone's steadying in your face, will you do? Will
you say the same thing? Because if he was billy badass,
why did he jump froggy then in that moment, why.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Didn't he exactly hates me? That's one of those that's
one of those things I find funny.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I mean, look, there's nothing to air an opportunity between
you and Lebron right now, you bad man will be
a bad man. Then he's not right, it's you know,
it's just one of those things that I just I
look at that I kinda I kind of laugh a
little bit about uh, you know about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
It's it's weird.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I mean because you know, you just talking about the
Twitter portion of it, and you know, I got people
on Twitter all the time.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
One person showed up.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Now they stay in the car, but one person showed
up here one I'm like, I'm not hard to find.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Like if you wanna, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
We're really gonna have an argument. We really gonna come
to trading fists over over sports. Like all right, I'm
not hard to find. Come find me. To his credit,
the guy did come, but he stayed his car and
would you wouldn't get out this man?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
This is what I'll say about Stevie Day. We can
call him a ka blow dryer. Why why is it yes,
knowing to blow a lot of hot air. That's that's it.
Because he's got too much to sacrifice if he were
to punch Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's what I'm saying, Like, what's he's gonna be the
first guy that tries to sue Lebron if somebody puts
hands on well.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
You talk about sewing as far as Money, I'm talking
about the Money's gonna need to kind of restructure.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
His face yet well, yes, something back fixing
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Broncos Country Night back after this
But all my think fergusting Draftsmith here with your fast
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six six nimes Zeros text line. You guys want to
get involved in the conversation. Big show tonight, a lot
of fun. I'm gonna get back to some of the
Ian rapport cuts from earlier today on the KA Sports show.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How you doing today? Uh?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Decked out and all your Star Wars Raiders colors there,
Nick ferguson what well that.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
My two more Raiders colors, So I really can't say much.
That was more of Star Wars reference.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Well, well, yeah, so I'm never wearing Raiders colors right
that that's not the idea? Am I wearing Star Wars
colors to show my geekiness?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Absolutely? So was Lotos.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
But you got to be at the gray and black
on man, you didn't want to get to go. I
got the red Millennium Falcon shirt.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Okay, well have you worn that yet? I don't know?
Have I I don't know. All the time I see
you dress in black like you you love the cure. Well,
look morning, okay, what career? Well, we need to find
a way to brighten that up.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It gets you to wear some more vibrant colors in
Brant went to a Spade where I did that. I
went to a Spade where I did that where I
was like.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh man, we're not talking about your suits you were
on game day.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
We're just different. I'm just that's a one off. Yes, Yes,
we had a great.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Text on the text line yesterday that said Ben over
dresses when he doesn't need to and underdresses the rest
of the time.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I think that's appropriate. Yes, yes, that is.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
That is true because Ben comes in here like sometimes,
like like last year when it was like super cold outside,
this dude coming in here with some shorts on, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Like, what are you doing? You know how this works
if it.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Snows here and you get stuck because your car, you know,
can't go through the snow.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I mean, you're gonna just be.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Like a pair of prints, uh chat pants.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well, it's not snowing inside and I want to be
comfort Oh did fix that hole in the roof? It
is fines shout out that I heard for fixing the
hole in the.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Roof, Broncos pig thatd I have resigned.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Michael Burton the fullback. What do you think? What do
you think about that? Hey? Good for him.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I actually saw him in MAUI a couple about a
week ago, yep.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
And I'm happy for him.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Because now he comes back to a scheme that he's
familiar with. I wonder how with Burton coming back, how
that's going to change the Broncos offense and how they execute.
And the reason I say that we know Evan Ingram
is here and we know how they plan on using him,
and Nate Aker seems to be he's gone. He's gone
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from like the short yardage running back, which he doesn't
want to be called the fullback, to a.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Short yardage tight end. Yeah. Yeah, he's h back.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
So in certain critical situations, if you burned me, like,
hey one, I'm on the team. But I know on
those short those third and short so I guess shortened
goal line type plays they gonna call Nate akins in.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
He's gonna get the glories. I wonder how much run
blocking he'll be doing.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I mean, if you look at and it'd be interesting
because there's not something that Sean Payton is typically done.
But if you look at the moves that they've made
this offseason, it sort of suggests they're looking at some
twelve personnel type stuff with Ingram being able to be
flexed out a little bit, you know, here or there,
and you know you can kind of wonder if maybe
not just twelve, if you see some twenty two personnel.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
For me, I live for you know, twenty two personnel.
I'm here for it. I love two tight ends.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, because when you get into you know, we call
like twenty one pony, you get two running backs in there.
Now defensively, you say, okay, well, are you in your
base coverage or uning your sub coverage?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And if a team goes defensively into the sub package,
which means they're putting extra dB in, does that guy
know run fits? And other than knowing run fits, is
he willing to stick his face into fan? Because if
he's not, Now you me have two calls at one time,
and you ought to move to that second call to say, okay,
we're gonna run at this particular guy because you've got
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a smaller defender in the box and he's not used
to tackle him. And that's where you know, Burdon can
really pay dividends based on his size. But for me,
I would love to see the Broncos run more power,
just kind of mix some things up. Keep Quinn miners
out there on the edge, right, Pull Burton and your
fullback out there, and you're gonna get some dbs making
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some business decisions. And all we need you to do
is not staying square, but just turn. It's just open
the door.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And say old laid sixty yards down the field.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
To me, it's something that's sort of fascinating, I think
is the way the Broncos run game over the years
to sort of deteriorate it is they've gotten away from
the fullback, right, and I feel like that's the way
to sort of get it back Denver Broncos football traditionally,
you know, especially post Mike Shanahan is, you know, is
what outside zones has stretch play with the fullback leading
the way and you know, and then to get into
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north cont the you know, from the running back and
he's officer rations. And it hasn't been that way since
well really since Peyton Manning, I mean a little bit
before that. I mean, you know, with when Josh McDaniels
came in, they went away from that. They kind of
kind of went back to a little when Tebow was there,
but he got away from it, and they've just been
away from it since Peyton Manning, it's not been Gary
Kubiak sort of tried to do a little bit. Peyton
really just couldn't reach to do that stretch, and so
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they kind of scrapped that. Broncos haven't been a full
back lead team, and I kind of wonder if maybe
that's in the cards this year.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, you don't have to be a fullback lead team
because as you look around the of the thirty one teams,
the fullback position by definition is arcade within itself. Right.
We can to definitely agree with that because you look
at Kyle's juicek he is he has the position title
of a fullback, but he's not. He's a tight end
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playing the fullback position. And it works well in that
Kyle Shenahan offense because he's athletic, he can move, he
can position himself, or he can get two guys at
the same time. And what I mean, if it's an
outside zone, he can reach that outside guy, put a
hand on him, push him, and then climb to kick
out the corner a seal that that linebacker coming from inside.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
There are not too many guys who can do that.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
And you look at Michael burd Burton is not built
for that athletically, right.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You know, he's not the most dip no.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Because he's built like a throwback fullback right like back
in the nineties, he would have been great, but he
doesn't have that foot quickness in athleticism.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And since we know that he's.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Not that type of guy, well calling certain plays to
keep him on the field, but also to make sure
that he is productive offensively because if not, then now
you got to remove him off the field. Go with
more of a Lucas Krawl Evan Ingram type of twelve
personnel type of situation because you want more speed of
athleticism on the field.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I just feel like that this could and it's a
no risk move. I mean, Burton's thirty three, it's a
no risk move. He doesn't work out in camp, can
cut him, it doesn't, it's not hurt you any of
the way. So, uh, I do like to move Burton.
When he came into the league ten years ago, twenty fifteen,
I mean, he was a you know, he was a
four to six five guy. He's more athletic than you
think he is. You know, he weighs more than he
did at the time. Yeah, he's up to you know,
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he's up to two fifty now like a you know,
like a like a good solid fullback, and you know
he's I just for me, I would love to see
and it would be I don't want to say be antithetical,
but it would be something that Sean Payton hasn't done,
certainly in a long time. Is switching, you know, going
back to traditional Denver Bronco football, where all of a sudden,
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you're hitting zone runs, you're running the stretch, you run
on the outside zone, you know, and you've got you've
got a fullback.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
In there paving the way for a Mari and Hampton. Dude,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You got to you got a fullback going going through this,
you know, and then and then you got a guy
who is an open field menace like Hampton behind him.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Well, you got to be careful about that too, says Burton.
Is not your I guess, prototypical eighth bag. He's your
idea full back. There's a difference between the two. The
full back is more of a thicker, downhill lead ISO
type guy.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That h back.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
He's still is kind of like a move guy, but
you don't really look to him to be like, that's
a period blocker, but he can do it.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
He knows how to sell the edges.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So you have to be careful because if every time,
just like when Jealel McLoughlin is in the game, just
like when Philip Lindsay was in the game, the defenders
are like, oh, well, we have.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
A large idea of what they may run.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
So you can't have a full run of offense where
your fullback would dictate exactly where the ball is going.
And this is an extraordinary thing that I love about
playing for the Broncos under Mike Shanahan, but more importantly
playing and practicing against our offense because they show us
things that we wouldn't ordinally receive from other teams, but
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it prepared us. And the one play that they used
to run that would set things up, and Alex Gibbs
was a great teacher of this. They set up the
outside zone right and you think the outside zone is
leading with the fullback, whether he's aligned or he kind
of shifts the motions to that side. They ran this
play which called they called it a crossfire. So you
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get this just picture has visualized this right close the
eyes and we're running outside zone to the left. The
fallback is leading right, but then he'll take two or
three steps and then he'll wind back.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Because almost like a counter.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yes, because that edge rushers, he's getting so far down
the line of Scrimmage's not upfield, he's getting down.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
The line of scrimmage. So it opens up two plays.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
It opens that the place for that fullback to come
up the back door and then tell a play.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That Jake Plumber.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I love watching Jake run this in practicing games, the
naked boot game.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, well see this is where I go because this
is where I'm at with it, because yeah, you can
if you running that out and you're getting effective with
that stretch of the outside zone or whatever, then you
open up that boot b to the right side, right
and you've got if you've got a guy like Marvin
Miham's running the fly or the post back there, you
got your full back, you got your full back or
your h back run the wheel behind it.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
You know, you go.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You go to find something on that backside that's going
to be successful because you're gonna have a defense leaning
then they're trying to get back the other way, and
it's gonna open things up on the other side, and.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Then the other thing to piggyback off of that. Then
you run first, you run that play, it goes away.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
That run it that wide receiver runs and cut off
the backside corner. Now the next thing he does is
he runs a start of go right. Well, he runs
like he's going to cut him off that corner thing
is outside his own trying to run to get over
the top, and then he.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Peels out and gets vertical.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
This is why when I when I look at plays,
I look at them from a defensive standpoint, right, what
is the offense trying to do to the team?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And every coach I've.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Been around, and I've been around some smart run from
Kyle to Mike mcdames, who Mike Shanahan is. They are
setting things up even if you stop it, they're setting
it up. And for me, the Broncos have an opportunity
with bringing Burton back and with Evan Ingram having them
to do something a little different. But now, although that
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hinges on one thing, then something that we don't typically
see from the Sean Payton's offense, your quarterback being under center.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, and that's not been so you know, Sean Payton
has not been an under center quarterback guy.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
He's not been a pre snap motion guy.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Both those things, I think are something that you and
I both have talked about quite a bit over the
last couple of years, is that we'd love to see
him incorporate portions of that. I don't want him get
too far away from being who he is as a coach,
but I'd love to see him incorporate some of that stuff.
I mean, the pre snap motion is an advantage for
an offense, you know, and being under center allows you
to do some things that you can't do from out
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of the gun.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, but I mean change and evolution is a part
of the game. No one's saying that Sean Payton or
any coach has to scrap anything that he is created
the identity that they had.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, I'm not saying go become North Turner where you're
under your end of the eye.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
And I'm not talking about, you know, incorporating a lot
of old school football.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
But old school football worked.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And based on how the game is right now, it's
how can you throw a different wrinkle at the defense,
something different that they can say, well, you know, Sean
Payne's been coaching in this league about what you say
about twenty seven years.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It's been a while, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Certainly in the nineties he was with the Eagles, so
it's been you know, it's been over twenty five years
that he's been coaching.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Okay, So there is a book on every single coach,
and I'm sure that Sean Payton has a book on
other coaches.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Right, I don't even have.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
To guess this, And at a I don't make wages,
so I'm definitely not gonna put my own money on it.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
But for the sake of argument, I.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Bet you Sean Payton has some kind of video logue
or a book on Mike Shanahan.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I bet that right.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And just like he has that book on Mike, there's
a book on him that someone has on him. So
it's like, can you break your tendencies? And the way
I look at it like this, Ben, and you've played offense.
You know, I've never played offense.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
But it's like.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Being a magician, right, being a magician, either you the
guy being a street musician on the corner, or you
David Blaine or David Copperfield. What I'm going to show you,
You know, you don't have to be unless you want to.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
But the idea is that I'm going to show you something.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I'm going to wave my hand in front of you,
my right hand, and I'm going to get your attention,
and meanwhile I'm sticking my left hand in your pocket
taking your money. It's got to be that type of
thing when you're setting up the defense. So this is
the evolution where I would like to see the Broncos
incorporated a couple of things with Sean Payton Steele.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Who he is, Yeah, I to and Sean Payton got
to start in the in the pros with the Eagles
in ninety seven as the quarterbacks coach, who was on
this staff with you know Ray Roads and John John
Rude and all those guys from back of the day. Now,
he'd been coaching at San Diego State, Indiana State, at Miami, Ohio,
and Illinois before that, but his NFL start was ninety seven,
so he's been almost almost thirty years. I mean it's
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twenty eight years at this point. Yeah, there's a book.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You know, there is a book everybody, and so that's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I just as watching some of these moves, I'm like, man,
it really feels like they're setting this offense up for
something different than what he's traditionally done. You know, the
roster construction portion of it, I sort of got because
he has done it that way. But the personnel and
looking at what you have and what you're bringing in
and bring it back, it really does look like that
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this is sort of, you know, maybe pivoting to something
a little bit heavier than what the league.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
The league is. The league is heavy eleven.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
The league does eleven personnel, one running back, one tight end,
and you know they you know, that's what the league
has banned over the last few years, and it sort
of feels like the Broncos maybe zigging when everybody.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Else is zagging.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, as long as that zigging and zagging means that
you're going vertically opposed to horizontally, I'm okay with that
because with the guys that they're arming themselves with offensively,
to me, I think it would be a disservice to
everyone if those guys are not constantly moving vertically because
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for me, once again with my defensive mind, you get
a lot of plays those jet sweeps.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
What are they setting up? We watched Pat Shermer.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Faked the jet sweep like one hundred times. I mean,
Judy out there to get his cardio. It's like, okay,
if you're gonna fake.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
It and you're gonna run it, okay, it's got to
set something else up right at some point you have
to do with it, because if you're not, you're just
wasting precious time and possessions. So so, and I'm glad
you mentioned, you know, Marvel Mams early on that that's
a guy who really kind of got outside of the box.
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And then the Broncos in my opinions, like, okay, well
here's a hidden gym.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, gotta see what we can do with it. This this,
this does this off. Yeah, this is we left at
the doghouse for tap the season.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
And I still don't understand because you mentioned that before
during the season, that he found himself in the doghouse
for what.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
It beats me.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
That's one of those things I don't know the answer to.
But what I what I will say is when they
finally remember, oh yeah, our most dynamic playmaker or somebody
we're not using, maybe we should start doing that.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And you saw what happened. The team took off.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
He started scoring more martins, got better every game, he
was literal and you could literally look at the.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Box scores and see his ascendants in every game.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
And it's I'm glad you brought that up because once before,
like last night, you mentioned, well, talking about Courtland Sutton,
you mentioned Devon Vylay that that may be the guy. See,
they love Vylay because he's he moves like a Tim Patrick,
he was younger, there's no injuries and cost effective, but
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it's Marvin Mimes who may force the team when they
started to think about Cortland Sutton, that could be the guy.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I think they in my opinion, I think what they
end up doing is that Vela takes over the X
spot from Courtland and the use Memes is the Z
and then you'd have Ingram as kind of an off
the line why you know, flexed out there as well.
And then you'll have, depending on how they run that bunch,
you'll have different people rotating to the I think that
would be their ideal setup.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
But we'll see.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
And a matter of fact, I got a player talked
about him before Broncos bringing them in for a Top
thirty visit tell.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You about it. We come back right here on Katway.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Sweltering Country tonight Benjamin Old, Brian Nick Ferguson, Grand Smith, Grant.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Is it warm in there too? It's a cool sixty
seven in here?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Okay, yeah, it is a sweltering inferno here propping the
door open it and we've got the temperature down to
seventy eight degrees.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'm disliking you right now. Grant in here, yes, Grants,
Grants and the Arctic over there work. They take care
of the important people, will right.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
That makes sense? Keep us coming right. Toy made sure
that they are and there was working. But that's that's
how much in here hole.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Work, sweating it out. Five sixty six nine zeros and text.
I had a couple of good text coming in. We'll
get to those here and a minute.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I teach something before we hit the break, and that
was a player because people have been talking about the
Broncos and wide receivers and I've kind of said, hey, look,
they're they're not really in on adding.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
To that room.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Maybe if it's a lower tier free agent kind of thing,
and or you know, a Day three draft pick, and
I do. I do have a name that sort of
lines up with that, because they have brought some guys
in u Tesla from Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You know, they get some guys they've sort of.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Brought in to take a look at both those guys,
you know, Day three tech guys.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
One thing I will.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Say, there's some reporting out there about the Broncos and
wide receivers and checking in on certain guys.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
You know, as far as that stuff goes. The Broncos
call about everything. They want to know the price tag
on everything.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
So if you see a report out there they say
the Broncos are checking in on something, that does not
necessarily mean that they are interested or making an offer
any of those.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Kinds of things. They checked in on Cooper Cup as
they called Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And Cooper Cupp had a conversation the friday before you
know all stuff, you know, uh, before he ended up signing.
They had a conversation. They want to know the price
tag on anything. They called about Stefan Diggs. They weren't serious,
they were going to bring it in, but they want
to know the price tag on everything. And I think
that's that's good, that's due diligence.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
But I just want to.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Clear something up because I've seen some stuff out there
that some people asked me today. They're like, well, you
told us that they weren't you know that they weren't
in on that, but the fact that they called to
get the price tag, that's that's what they do.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
The Broncos call about everything to get the price tag.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
So there are a lot of people that use that
as leverage saying stuff of like, uh, the Broncos are
in on this or that. You know, like for instance
with the Deebo Samuel thing, they were not in on
debo at all.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
What they did call to get the price Okay, I
just want to know what it costs. That's what they do.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well, that's called doing your due diligence, right the general manager,
good coach, they know. I mean if you if you're
not doing that, then you're not really doing your job right,
even though it maybe guys that you have no type
of ambition in bringing in, But you want to figure
out what that number looks like, what teams are willing
to give up and sacrifice to acquire that particular player,
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but more importantly, what does that look like in form
of dollars and cents.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
So it gets you an opportunity to kind of.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Look at your board, look at some of your guys
who are currently own your roster and figure out, Okay,
well are we too high or we too low on
these particular things.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
But that's what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
You know what the cost is around the league, and
then you also know the value your own guys. Like
if somebody calls about your guys, you know, hey, look
if we were willing to part with something, now we
know what the approximate market is.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
It's just smart business.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
And so that that's one of those things I want
to clary because I got several messages today for people
that were talking about that. I'm like, look, yes, the
Broncos they call about everything. Even so if you want
to claim that they're interested because of that, cool. I
don't consider an interest until somebody makes an offer.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, you know, someone has to actually make Once again,
let me back up on that.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
It's not about making an offer.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
It's about making a real substantial offer.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Right that.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Well, a team can really look at it and say,
you know what, this team is not trying to gouge us, Right,
it's a legitimate deal. It's something that benefits both of us.
So let's go ahead and take a look at it.
Let me run up the flagpole. If everything checks out,
I'll come back with you and then I'll give you
thumbs up.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Thumbs now, yep, I want to make sure that I'm.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Understanding you correctly, because I might have misunderstood you coming
into this segment looking at the Broncos roster from a
wide receiver room.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Do you think that they are settled with what they have?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I think they may add a Day three type draft
pick or a very very low tier free agent.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Just depends.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
But I think the name I teased before that JALN Royal,
so I talked about it before. Do you toll state,
I think they are possibly looking at somebody just in
case the Troy Franklin thing doesn't work, who can be
sort of a between the numbers, middle of the field
type receiver.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
That's exactly what Royals is.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
You go back and you look at what Sean Payton
looks at these archetypes for these different guys, and he
kind of measures up favorably to Trey Kwan Smith back
when he was in his Of course, tra Quae actually
came out here for a little while as well, but
tray Quan Smith is kind of the guy I think
that you know they want that type of receiver and
Royals out of Utah State sort of fits that mold.
So I would not be surprised if somewhere between the
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fourth and seventh round they draft somebody. It would be
surprised with Royals who they brought in for to to
sort of be that guy that between the numbers wide receivers,
so you can have mimes on the outside as the
z who can run the you know, the bang nine
or the eight, you know, who run the post of
the fly, and then and then you've got over on
the other side, you've got courtlean Sutton or Dvavela who
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can run the slant you know, curl, comeback, hitch whatever
over there. And then you've you've sort of got Now
you've got ingram as an off the line why kind
of tight end, you know, can run some clear out
stuff and help you create space in there.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I think they want that other guy.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Who can sort of like especially if you're on a
like Mills concept right where you know, the receivers up
and then all a sudden he's cutting back across the field.
They need somebody who can work that area, and they
don't have that right now. And so I think that
that is something that they're looking at see.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Look, man, I disagree with that whole idea that the
Broncos are settled with their guys. And you can like
the guys in the room, but do you love them?
And that's where the rubber meets to roll. And I
look at it from this standpoint, everything that the Broncos
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are doing are to help one person and one person
only that is your quarterback.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
That's bow Nicks, right.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Because Sean Payton pushed all the trips to the center
the table for bo.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
That's why Russ is not here, right.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Sean wanted his own guy that he can mentor he
can groom, and he can say I had Drew breathe,
Now I got this guy too as well.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
So with that being said, it's about scoring points.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
It's about keeping pace with the other quarterbacks around the league,
but more importantly in the AFC from a conference standpoint,
And the only you do that is that you continue
to add young, vibrant, skillful athletic players. So I would
personally look at the Broncos room and I like a
lot of guys in the room, but I would say.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well that that is not a room that I'm settled with.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Right, Okay, in that in that phrasing, I guess I
could agree with you. I don't think they're ever settled
as far as that goes. I think they're always looking
to improve in that regard. I just like from the
conversations that I'd had, I would say that what they're
looking at is not necessarily with the fan base on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
You know, the fan base on Twitter said now.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
That we need Demo and Cooper Cup and you know
Amari Cooper is going to be our wide receiver five
and all this kind of stuff, And I'm like, that's
that's just not I mean, that is not with how
they're looking at it at all. They are happy with
the young guys, they do want them, but if they don't,
if they're not, they do want to have other guys
and they believe could take over.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Like you can't. You can't put everything on Troy.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Franklin taking a giant jump in your two right, or
even my guy to Bamba Lay Like you can't, you
can't do that.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
So I do think that.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
They want to add bodies and improvement to the room,
But I don't think that they're out there saying, you know,
we need to be paying top of the market money
to you know, do a receiver that's already established.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Well, no, no, you don't. You don't have to do that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
But if there was a guy that was out there
in the salary, fit within the framework with the Broncos
were willing to pay that particular player, I'm like, you
always add that talent. See, I'm always going to refer
back to things that I've experienced and I've seen myself
in my early days with the New York Jets when
Parcels was there, Wayne Corbett had already established himself outside
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of Keishawn Johns Green Lantern, right, and then guess what happens.
That didn't stop them from bringing in Lavernius Coles, right,
and it stopped them from bringing in set Tane Moss.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
The idea is that you want to get better.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
You want to make sure that you have a room
where every single guy's pushing the other so no one
falls into this lull that we all can. You know,
we've all done it before, and it's being complacent. You
never want anyone to be or feel as though, man,
you know I made it, I'm good. No, that's not
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what I learned from being around Bill Parcells.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
You know you can't.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
You can't send no complacent. Everything's got to be we're
improving at all times because it hope is the guys
that are there that approved to the level that you want.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Man, way all look at I I got to go
back to this game time and time again because it
was so important. You go back to the Buffalo bill
game and he said, well, what did you see?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
The Broncos didn't win that game. So you can't sit
and be rest on your laurels and like, Okay, we're here,
we made it. We get to the playoffs. No, that's
not part of the standard. The standard is getting to
the playoffs, building on every single year and getting better.
If any player, any member of this fan base, or
any coach is just satisfied with the fact that you
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have overcome the drought, you've said yourself up for ful failure.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Going back to the Broncos country tonight.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Pends, But all right, Dick Ferson Gras Smith, it's just
even warmer tomorrow, apparently, get to set a record like
seventy eight degrees tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Already breaking that record in the studio.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I know, I'm just saying outside we could cool off
by coming in here.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Just saying you guys are looking to be crazy. Stup.
Sweating the heat has been known to create confusion. I'm
sweating like a center in church. Just say you really
rephrase that from your comments usually use a little too
crass for the uh, you know, for their waves. So
he makes no rocking a hoodie in there.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
He's got like the hoodieyat and the hat everything. I'm like,
I just I'm sweating looking at him.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Well, because here's what I do doing the break, I
keep I leave the studio.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I mean he's cool. He goes outside, he goes outside. Yeah,
it's like sixty degrees in the you know in the
bolted back there. Wouldn't it be crazy if it's the
same temperature everywhere in the building. You think we have
the technology to figure that out? Out? Why? Incredible stuff?
Fat six six nine.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Zeros text I a lot of good texts coming, and
somebody asked for royals would even be available in the
fourth round.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I think he's a Day three guy.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I'm reasonably confident on that, So we'll see see how
that goes. Sam tuelsas Rogers retires, shot or Sanders are
the Raiders is his guess. That's not my guess, but hey,
you know, stranger things have happened. Nine nine, drop a
bug in George and Shawn's here to go get that man.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Like my Jalen Royals. What else we got here? Somebody
likes our coverage six on nine.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I'd like to see more twelve and twenty two personnel.
We also need the return of Ben's big board. Remember
that we used to do that segment with Brian.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
We didn't think I could do that.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
We can do that with you know, just say you're
coming here and do a different position group every night
to our top five that we have graded out for
the draft, and maybe throw a sleeper in there.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
We can move it. Maybe maybe start that on Monday.
I like it.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Do it?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
There we go? Does do that?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
You know you guys got to do sending your suggestions.
You programmed the show. I'll let you guys. I'll let
you guys do that.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I want to get to the c U stuff. We'll
probably get to that a little bit later.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
We got the Ian Rapaport's cuts from KO Sports earlier today.
I do want to get to those a little bit
later as well. I'm trying to look here. Did you
see this steven a stuff? Where he said if Lebron
put hands on him, he'd swing on him.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, I saw that, and there's a little of truth
to what steven A said he was swing on him.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Might not connect.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
We'll probably get last there's a video, but we've seen those.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Images of a guy being bullied and the bully has
his hand on his on his top of his head,
and the guy just swinging and well and he's not
he and hitting a damn thing. That would be steven A,
because you know, is steven A attempted to hit Lebron James,
it's gonna be two hits, one steven A missing and
then the second one with stephen A hitting the floor.
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That man put his hands on me, I would have
immediately swung on him.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Immediately.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Well, immediate might have been a few seconds later when
he realized he'd been swung on.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
After he picked himself up off the floor.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But I see anybody buying stephen A, who's fifty seven
years old is tough guy.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Act, No one's buying it. And stephen A's selling Wolf
tickets because this is one of those things He's been
able to parlay into a larger conversation than he deserved.
Was Lebron somewhat wrong and how he approached the situation. Absolutely,
And there's a lot more to that particular story. But
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you know, stephen A wouldn't bust a grape.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
In a fruit fight because me totally.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I mean, let's be He loves to talk real tough
on the Full Letter Network about who he is, who
he worked for, who he's covered right, and he's made
a hell of a career for himself. But he doesn't
need to be out here talking tough like that, like
he's actually about that life.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
No he's not. He's he's no.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Different than the individuals who talk tough on Twitter about
what they're gonna do and say all these things.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
And it's great to hide behind characters, but.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
When someone's steadying in your face, will you do? Will
you say the same thing? Because if he was billy badass,
why did he jump froggy then in that moment, why.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Didn't he exactly hates me? That's one of those that's
one of those things I find funny.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I mean, look, there's nothing to air an opportunity between
you and Lebron right now, you bad man will be
a bad man. Then he's not right, it's you know,
it's just one of those things that I just I
look at that I kinda I kind of laugh a
little bit about uh, you know about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
It's it's weird.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I mean because you know, you just talking about the
Twitter portion of it, and you know, I got people
on Twitter all the time.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
One person showed up.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Now they stay in the car, but one person showed
up here one I'm like, I'm not hard to find.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Like if you wanna, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
We're really gonna have an argument. We really gonna come
to trading fists over over sports. Like all right, I'm
not hard to find. Come find me. To his credit,
the guy did come, but he stayed his car and
would you wouldn't get out this man?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
This is what I'll say about Stevie Day. We can
call him a ka blow dryer. Why why is it yes,
knowing to blow a lot of hot air. That's that's it.
Because he's got too much to sacrifice if he were
to punch Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's what I'm saying, Like, what's he's gonna be the
first guy that tries to sue Lebron if somebody puts
hands on well.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
You talk about sewing as far as Money, I'm talking
about the Money's gonna need to kind of restructure.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
His face yet well, yes, something back fixing
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Broncos Country Night back after this
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