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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Rocco's Country Tonight, Benamit Oldbright, Nick Ferguson, Grant Smith.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah, they got mad at me. I used to sorry
carrying over a conversation in the break.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
They got mad at me because I used to get
paper checks here before I did direct deposit, and like
I would, they would just leave them stacked.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Up before I went in there and finally finally deposit them.
Or where they get mad at me.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I get these notices like, hey, you need to go
deposit your check. It's been ninety days and corporate accounting
is upset with you.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Well, you know what I think with you having a
situation like that. One person I think would love to
have some of that cash that mistakenly entering your pocket
is one old Grant Smith. I think you would yet
I have.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know, I try. I try to try to take
care of the prison. Give me a nice Christmas bonus
every da I do a Christmas bonus. You know, just
a random bonus would be nice too. You know, I'm
on that idea.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Every time someone tweets at you about how much they
appreciate Grant, well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Like as well, I don't want to do that because
as soon as I say that, everybody's gonna start grand
But I like, yeah, you know, and then we tried
the fun stuff during the season.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I asked for a leg on a parlay and if
that hits, then I you know, we haven't had one
to hit yet.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
But unfortunately I am not a very good gambler. Yeah,
which is also a daily reminder for Grant not to gamble. Yes, yes,
I'm just saying, but if one of these hits one day,
then well I will absolutely do what I like. I
like I said, I'm a minimum word. I will always.
We were like one leg so close at the got
the nineteen leg one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Grant,
(01:29):
I'm going I'm to put a down payment on a house.
But we were going to Garden Grace tonight. So what's
one of those parlays kind of crush your dreams. I
don't even rememind which that was the Super Bowl and
wasn't it Yeah, uh, we only needed I think like
we missed. It was nineteen legs and we missed two. Well,
we came very very close.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I think the one I remember missing. We picked the
Chiefs to win straight up money line. Yeah, I was
Chiefs to win on the money line was one and
then what was he?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I wish I could remember the other. I think it
was Saquon's yardage total. So we can blame Rob Dawson
for that one because that was his pick. So I
don't remember who picked Chief's money line.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That may have been me. Let's blame temper u. He
got it, he got his. Whatever his pick was, he
got his. I think it was like the like the
Eagles first half under or something like that. I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
He actually his pick was was fine, it was. I
just remember that Rob's was definitely one of the ones
that did not.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So and I do that, you know, I try to.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I solicit from everybody one pick and then I'm like, okay,
I'll divide the money evenly amongst everybody after I make
because I'll put a hundred bucks on it and it'll
it'll end up paying out like a day.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Wait wait, hold on, hold on back it for a second.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So I'm listening to what you are describing, and you're
saying that you're listening to all these people give you
one pick and you split the cash. I'm noticing that
you've never asked me anything. You don't gamble. I mean,
I don't gamble, but it's not me. I'm not gambling. Okay,
well then I was in glue to you next year,
and Andrew Pick. That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying
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gambling all the.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Want to go back in touch us something that your
rapport said earlier the K Sports show and he was
talking about it's not at Courtland Sutton and talking about
running backs as well.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Sorry, go ahead and Brant if you're a.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Running back right now, like like let's say you're JK.
Dobbins right and I think he's you know, he's one
of the top guys. You also have Nick Chubb out there.
You have some guys with the main value, Like the money's.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Not really increasing, right.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Because if you're a team, let's say to the Broncos,
let's say you need a running back, Well, okay, you
can get one in the second or third round, and
historically you get on the second or third round, he's
going to be you know, coming and make an impact
or really has a chance to make a really really
big impact or you know, I would say there's probably
likely two running backs in the first round. Okay, we
could take one of those and maybe.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You sort of get a game breaker, right.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I mean, so the problem is if you don't get
swept up early in free agency, if you hold out,
you want more money, You want more money. Sometimes the
money isn't there.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So that's sort of the decision you face. And like,
if you're a JK.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Dobbins, you got an offer for let's just say, you know,
three to four million dollars, do you take it right
now or do you want to wait until.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
After the draft.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
And maybe a team who thought they were going to
get a running back didn't and maybe that price increases
a little bit for the game that's going on now.
But really, like there's not a huge upside in signing
if you're a running back right now, maybe right around
the draft or maybe right after the draft.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Just from what you know and what you're hearing, is
it more likely you think that Courtlan Sudden ends up
getting traded from the Broncos other than rather than than
extending him.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I would never say never in the NFL because we've
seen all sorts of different versions of this that I've
heard a lot of quote and Sutton trade rumors. None
of them have happened. None of them have turned to
be true, and you know, I mean, I don't know
that anything's actually accelerated.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Now.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Look, you get to know the second day of the draft,
the team thought they were going to get a receiver,
doesn't get one, and they say, you know what, I
like Quotland, so let me get them, or the extent
in the sense or anything like that is happening. You
sort of hope that the Broncos would do something financially
for him, but he already got one big extension. Trying
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to squeeze an extra year, extra money out of a
team for that third contract has proven tough. I mean,
you could do it, but you've got to be sort
of next level. That's generally the kind of guys who
get those third contracts. So it's an uphill battle. We'll
see what lands. But I would say it's still pretty fluid.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
For Quotland Sutton. Yeah. I think that's a fair way to.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Determ that, and there have been there have been explorations
with that, you know, through at thing Courtland held out
a little bit last year.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
They spiffed him a little bit.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
But I again, I had the conversations that I've had
throughout this offseason that the Broncos weren't interested in investing
a high dollar amount of the receiver position, that they
weren't after the top tier guys. They love their young
receiving group, you know. I think that also applies in
the future of Courtland Suton. Maybe they get something done,
but in reality, I think the number for Courtland Sutton
has gotten to the point now where I don't know
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if it's feasible because if you look at the numbers
that t Higgins and Stefon Digs signed for Courtland Sutton's
number is not twenty five per year anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's like twenty eight, twenty nine. That's the market value.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Now, are the Debora Broncos really going to do a
four x thirty deal one hundred and twenty million dollars
for Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I'm not sure that that is the best approach for
the team. And I get it, you know, Courland is
a fan favorite.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I like Cordon.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
He's definitely worked hard. But with the Reber Mester roll,
that comes down to dollars making sense. And do those
dollars actually, you know, make sense or does the team
value younger players and say, okay, well, you already have
bo you know what he can do, and if you
surround him with younger talent, they grow together and that
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kind of balances out your pay scale.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And it's just one of these things we've just we've
never seen Sean.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Payton pay an observant amount of money to one particular uh,
you know, wide receiver. And then now if you start
compairing the dollar amount, then you start to look at
the level of production. Now, the pushback that you would get,
you'll get from fans and others saying okay, well, calling
was one of those guys that it was a go
(07:29):
to guy for for bow Knicks last year, right yep.
And I would say, yes, absolutely, he balled out the
year before with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
But to be paid on that elite of a level.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I think maybe the organization looks at, well, you have
to be that type of guy. Like we know PS
two is without a doubt, there's no question, there's no debate.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He is that dude.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
He is that alpha male. On the Bronco's defense, no
one would ever question that, even though some question that
when he was first drafted by George Peyton. But now
you're not going to question that do you question that
with Courtland Sutton and if you have any reservations, then
you don't pull the trigger and make it a deal
of that caliber.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I mean, if it's me, I think you get into
the season and see what shakes out, and this might
be a trade Courtland in the middle of the season
kind of season. You know, if it doesn't go as expected,
that might that might be the case to offload that
because next year you're gonna have a ton of cap space.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Right the Russell Wilson stuff falls off.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Next year, you're gonna have a ton of cap space,
and you've got to figure out extensions with Benito, Zach Allen,
whomever else that you're going to extend.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
You have to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
And the Broncos has said they've come out and said
we're not negotiating any of that till after the draft,
which puts them at their maximum leverage point, right because
at that point they will know what they've got and
what they don't got through the draft and they don't
have to guess on it ahead of time and all
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So you know, I I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I'm I'm for all the criticisms that I've had of
Sean Payton, and I think, you know, most people, some
people think I'm a hater on that, which is silly,
but I have legit criticism. But one thing I definitely
agree with him on is not paying wide receivers. I'm
I'm the other way with it. I think, you know,
if you've got the quarterback and you need to build
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up the offensive line, create create an environment in which
your quarterback can thrive and elevate those receivers on their own,
and that that formula has worked for him over the years.
Pay one guy if you got to, but that that
formulas worked for him over the years. I tend to
come at it from that angle.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Sometimes you have to make adjustments to your strategy and
building a team the same way you have to make
in game adjustments when you are competing on.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
The grid iron. Right, what may have worked for you.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Once before may not work now. And it doesn't mean
that you have to abandon everything you thought of previously.
Only thing is you're just making subtle tweaks here and there.
And I think this is where some coaches lose themselves,
you know, trying to be beholding to one type of attitude,
that they kind of mature as they became a coach.
(10:23):
I mean, all you have to do is just kind
of fall back a little, just having a little open mind,
and if you do that, you make your team better,
but you also improve as a coach. It is only
when your thoughts become solidify that it becomes a problem.
So maybe there is a way that both the Broncos
and Sudden kind of in a way get what they want.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Maybe there's still a room for them to get that.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I just looking at the way that this offseason has
presented itself and looking at.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
The at what the deals that that some of these
guys have got.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
The team Higgins's gotten that Stefan Digson has gotten, I mean,
it puts the Broncos in a bund here. I mean,
you're going to have to market rate is now twenty
nine million power. Okay, I get what the market rate is.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
But here's what I would say that you or anyone
else maybe for may not throw into this equation. Are
you still looking at that same level of production for
those types of players.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I mean I know that Stefan Digg's situation raises a
lot of questions and ifs and whats.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
And why do they do this?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
And with the New England. But you only worth what
someone's willing to pay you in that regard. But I'll
ask you this, then, when you look at some of
the receivers that you're talking about, you talk about a Chase,
you can even talk about CD Lamb.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well, I'm not even putt him in the Chase conversation.
I'm putting Hm in the because Chase is like forty
million dollars a year. I'm talking about the Higgins conversation,
which is thirty.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Okay, well, let's just remove the dollar figure from the conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Let's look at the player in the production.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Where do you see Courtland falling and the pantheon of
wide receivers?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Where is he? I mean, what do you mean in
terms of its meaning? Okay, you know what a Chase
can do. You know what a T.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Higgins you do? If you know what a CD Lamb
can do, you know what a Justin Jefferson can do?
The strip away the money value that each player has
negotiated to this point, and they talk pure football skills.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I would I mean to me, he's a complimentary receiver.
He's not a guy who puts a team on his back.
He can make good plays.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Sometimes there have been some inconsistencies, but he can make plays.
He's a good receiver. I wouldn't call him an elite one.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
So basically, from what you just said, how you just
so eloquently tossed it out there doesn't warrant that type
of money.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I don't say that's exactly it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I think I would have a problem paying him anything
over twenty million a year. But the problem is is
that the market rate is so much higher than that. Now,
like I would, I'd pay Calls twenty million a year.
I do a four year twenty million dollars, which is
really gonna end up in a two year deal. But
you know what I mean, Like I would pay him
a twenty million dollars a year and then you know,
but I'm not nine million additional ten million dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I mean, that's the.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Difference between getting another running back a guard, you know,
or a running back a defensive end. That's the difference
in getting John Franklin Myers done. I mean, we're talking,
we're talking the money to go out and get a corner.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
What we're talking.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I mean, there's legitimate money that's the conversation and us
having this back and forth. It was seen to someone
on the outside looking at well, they don't.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Really like Cordon. I love Cortland. It's not that, Yeah,
I love Cortland, but yes it I mean, you.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Never want to be in a conversation where someone's saying
but you wanted to be in a conversation where they're
saying this and something else. But this is a realistic
conversation that the Broncos have to have now and for
the future because there's other guys, oh that you are
comparing Courtland to who don't play the position that he plays.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You just named one of them, Zach Allen. What about
Nick Benito?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, you got the top edge money that it's just
gonna be paid because he's He's a top ten edge
rusher in terms of productivity. When you look at this
Courtland Sutton's a fifty five yard a game guy and
a six.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Touchdown season guy. Are you paying that thirty million dollars
a year?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I mean from a football standpoint, no.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
And this is where what I learned from being around
Ted sound Quiz and Mike Shanahan. It reaches a point
where you got to separate your emotions from the player,
and you've got to really look at it from a
business perspective, right, because there's football business and a business
of football. They sound the same, but they're entirely different things.
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So you have to not only look and say, well,
what's in the best interest for Courtland in this situation,
but overall for your team. And you may love Courtland,
you may like Courtland, but once again, it comes down
to a business decision and can you make a tough decision? Well,
you're to design should I invest this extra money in
Courtland or should I move those that money around to
(15:07):
different pieces?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And how much how much productivity if I losing if
I move on from him, what percentage of that is
made up by having Devon Val in that role? Can
Val perform at that level?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I don't know that the projection is that he can,
but it hasn't really been proven that he could actually
do that because he hasn't been in a situation where
he's had the spotlight on him and he's been the
focal point of the offense.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
But this is the conversation that Sean Payton is having
and knowing as though he has bo I don't know
this for sure, But there's a part of me that's saying,
you know what, as long as we got bo, we
can make anything work.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, And I think I think that's the way you
have to look at it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
If you have the quarterback, you have to believe that
that quarterback can elevate the receivers around them to the
point where you now, there is there is a point
where you can't just throw five cowboys out there and
hope to it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know that could work.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Look at Kansas City when they've had their receivers go down,
they've got to get deep into that worid receiving corps.
The productivity hasn't been there, and you've got Pat Mahomes
back there. So there is there is a competency line
that you can't help belong.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Well, yes, but still I'll add this, since she brought
up Kansas City, you still have the improvisation, the uber
improvisation of a guy like Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But the biggest thing that the Kansas City Chiefs have as.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Their weapon isn't Patrick Mahomes, right, It is freaking Andy Reid.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, that's the guy. Yeah, And in the end, when
you've got that, you hope that that that helps make
up for everything else.
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Speaker 6 (17:25):
What Micah Parson's talking about? Some feisty shots. Micah Parsons
continued to respond to former teammate and newly minted Seattle
Seahawk to Marcus Lawrence and his comments about parsons online
presence today when he said, I know I'm one of
the best players, and as long as I'm performing that way,
it shouldn't matter talking about his tweeting. When you jump
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off sides on the goal line, is that because I'm tweeting.
I think it's ridiculous, outrageous. Do you think there are
any problems relating to Micah parsons online media presence or
are you on MICA's side here?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I think the Cowboys had a actually locker room, and
then maybe Michael Parson's tweeting could have helped, you know,
or not tweeting and maybe communicating with the you know,
teammates that he had bad relationships with might have helped out.
I'm just saying that that locker room does have some
and still has some fractures in it. It'll be interesting
to see, you know, what comes of that. But I
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think if everybody's committed to creating a winning environment and
making sure that their priorities are straight, I'm not saying
Michael Parsons can't tweet, but I'm saying, okay, I hear
what you're.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Saying about the goal line there and jumping all sides
and all that.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Now, tell me what all your tweeting is a value
add Thus, when in a Super Bowl, Man.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It's too much damn.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Social media in tweeting to begin with, because either of
these players, if they were focused on doing their job,
the Cowboys would have performed better as a unit.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And to come out and air your own individual.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Grievances in this particular way, I'm gonna deem it to
be unprofessional because I would rather if I'm your teammate,
you tell it to me to my face in the
locker room. You don't have to out me or say
things on social media like this. So for me, this
is the bad look for both players in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, there's just no there's just no need to. I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
I'm concerned more that he's clinging to it, that he's
fighting back this hard about just some kind of throwaway
tweet by DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
If it feels like we're going too far down that
rabbit hole, Yeah, true, a dump. Same way, it is
a little much.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Today, cam Hayward said that he felt his comments about
Aaron Rodgers joining the Steelers, he said, or sorry his
past comments about Aaron Rodgers joining the Steelers, which were
either you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or you don't.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's that simple. That's the pitch.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
We're misconstrued, and that he would actually love to have
the aging quarterback in Pittsburgh. How much of this change
in tune do you think is him trying to clean
up a misunderstanding and how much of it do you
think is him looking around and realizing that quarterback market
has dried up quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Well, first of all, we're all aging, uh, even you
youthful youthful person who was poorn in like the year
twenty ten or whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I think Cam Hayward got some pushback from uh from the.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Front office there about, hey, maybe we need to phrase
this a little differently.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Steer is the only option for Rodgers at this point.
I sort of get the what Cam Hayward was saying.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Shelby was in here earlier had had a different take
on it. I get what Cam Hawer was saying, like
if you want to be here, dude, like what are
you doing? But at the same time, Shelby was like, yeah,
he's a free agent. He is the right to take
his time on his decision and do whatever, and so
I get that too. At the end of the day, though,
like you either know if you want to play ball
or not, because if you don't want to play, if
you if you're waffling, then you don't want to play.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
You don't love anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Right, just keep it a buck. If Aaron wanted to play,
he would go ahead and do this. Yes, Shelby said that, Hey, listen,
you're a free agent and take your time. But this
has been the know him for Aaron Rodgers. Will you
to seeing him do these types of things? Right, he's
trying to stall him up, debo, that's what he's trying
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to do, and the Pittsburgh Steelers should go ahead and
move on. And the fact that you have Haywood somewhat
backpedaling on his comments, that's only to try to entice
Aaron Rodgers to join the team. Because could you imagine
one of the leaders of the defense, Aaron Rodgers comes in,
that's friction already, So they're trying to nip it in
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the butt before they move on.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I think that's only smart.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
It just seems to me like Aaron Rodgers kind of
loves being the center of attention, and I think he
understands the way to maximize how long he's the center
of attention is dragged this process out as long as possible.
Like you said, he's either choosing to play for the
Steelers or not play for the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
At this point, it's a binary choice. Yeah, And we
were talking about this a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's kind of weird how the only reason other than
narciss system that you could be hanging around not making
this choice is you're somehow secretly hoping that JJ McCarthy
gets hurt so that the Vikings a big Oh, we
do need you after all.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
What a weird you know, Like, what a weird thing
to hope for. Yeah, that's carmatically pressed three karmically press.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
At the end NFL combine, LSU left tackle Will Campbell
fell short of that thirty three inch arm length threshold
we typically see at the tackle position, coming in at
thirty two and five eighths of an inch today at
LSU's pro day, though, he hit that thirty three inch
bench park when they measured his arms. How do you
explain that difference in the measurements with it code and Indie.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Or what it's a thirty two inch tape. You cut
an inch off the bottom and then all this, you know,
used to be guys getting around the COMBA stuff. I
got plenty of stories on that kind of stuff. Guys
putting foam under their balls and their feet and on
their on their heels, putting like put like little foam
squares to try to get an extra half an inch
or whatever quarter of an inch in height. There are
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plenty of There are plenty of people that have done
different things. I will say that hand size for quarterbacks
like a big deal, right, And you've seen guys like,
for instance, Brandon Allen who had eight and a half
inch hands at the Senior Bowl. He gets to the
combined all the other night inch hands. Then he went
out and actually admitted what he did, which was he
went and got hand massages and he was stretching his
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hands for the better part of a month in an
effort to hit the minimum threshold measurement there and make
himself seem more viable.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Why don't we get so hung up about guy's length
of their arm and their fingers and all of this.
I mean, it's football. Either we know a guy can
play or he can't play. Just turn on the tape.
What do you does your eyes actually tell you? But
you got guys who are going through these kind of
mental gymnastics to try the massage, getting more extensive with
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your hands through a hen massage.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
That sounds utterly ridiculous. What was it?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I agree?
Speaker 6 (23:55):
And Will Campbell kind of echoed that sentiment today when
he was talking about the whole thing, saying, you know,
I've been viewed as a top ticket tackled pretty much
my entire college career because I started here as a
freshman in the SEC and there's been none of these
questions until they put a tapan as repped to my arms,
and now all of a sudden, I can't play.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You guys have seen this for multiple seasons. I think
there's I mean, we see this not just with the
physical measurements. We see it at pro days. Everything seems
more favorable forty times or miraculously faster. It's weird how
all of a sudden, you know, it's weird how that
thirty eight yard dash.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Time comes in a lot faster than at forty time, right,
just saying or.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Vikings GM Quesci Edopho Mensa said that JJ McCarthy was
the outcome the franchise wants, or sorry, JJ McCarthy starting
is the outcome the franchise wants and are moving towards
for the upcoming season. What do you make of the
non committal nature of these comments and how aggressive do
you think Minnesota will be when it comes to adding
another quarterback to that room?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I believe the lad of Joe Flacco or something like
that to the room. Carson wentz, maybe they have JJ
and Brett ripping there right now. He's just saying the
thing you say at this point, because what if JJ
McCarthy gets hurt, you know, and then all of a
sudden we've said we're never bringing in Aaron Rodgers and
then all of a.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Sudden, you know. So they're saying what you're supposed to say,
which is it's.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Gonna be JJ unless something catastrophic happens, in which case
we have to go in a different direction.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
But he's not saying it that way because that's not
how you say it. Like this is just public relations
of work.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Basically, you're leaving all doors open, right even though you're
not really have one open.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
You're leaving the possibility that you could go open it.
I'm just saying, that's all Cracy's saying.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I'm just saying, if you could acquire Aaron Rodgers, why
not if everything works out, If it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Guess what, I didn't know anything at all.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
And oh, by the way, if it does happen by chance,
once again, Aaron Rodgers is following Brett Farr.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
He can't get rid of it, right, Brett farward from
the packets of the Jets. Then to Minnesota, and could
Aaron Rodgers do the same thing? Sign here, I'm here
for that.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Minnesota Vikings helmet is whispering to Aaron Rodgers like the
Green Goblin masket is.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
It is begging and become the Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Ave.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
The NFL Competition Committee is expected to change up the
kickoff yet again, moving up the touch back from the
thirty yard line to the thirty five yard line that
while keeping the other dynamic kickoff changes we saw a
season ago, their hopes are, while keeping the kickoff a
safer play, that this will up the return rates that
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we saw. Do you think they'll be successful in that aim?
And how would you like to see the NFL kickoff fixed?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Well?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
The creator of this.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
M schwartzteen said move the kickoff back five yards and
that'll solve your problems pretty much.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I tend to agree with him. You just need to
move the kicker back until you find that the range
that it is you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
The NFL's could obsessed with having kickoff returns and it's
been tweaking things for years.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
The dynamic kickoff is the way to the future.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
The tweaks here or move the kicker back just a
little bit and then you'll put it in the dynamic
range and then you'll get it. Nobody's you know, you
moved back far enough, nobody's gonna get it in the
endzone eventually.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I like the new rules that they.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Have in place because at first we were all questioning
whether it was going to change the game and was
going to be really exciting. And we saw started with
to preseam it look it looked a little shaky, but
we saw some teams break them during the season, like
Cincinnati had one where to do just kind of ran
up the gut and he just out of it, you know,
smashed eighty eight at the gate and for me as
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a guy, that.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Cut my teeth in and then the league and special
teams signed me up full.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I want more exciting plays and that's what people tune
in for.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Agree, and special teams matters.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
You know, if you look at the best scoring defenses
in the league, there is a correlation between that and
average starting field position allowed, which is why I thought
it was so lame. We saw so many coaches last
year kind of just roll over on their backs and
go belly up and just forfeit the extra five yards
that they were giving up on every single play. We're
not wanting a two hour return and just yeah, four
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fit those five yards. I hope we see uh them
not willing to give up ten yards this next season.
Six ESPN ranked the Denver Broncos free agent and re
signing Hall as the NFL's seventh best behind in order here,
the Buffalo Bills in first, the Rams in second, the
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Vikings in third, the Lions in fourth, the Bucks in fifth.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
And the Bengals in sixth.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Okay, do you agree with the Broncos placement on that
list and are there any surprises that jump out to
you in that top seven?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Who did the Bengals bring in? It's resigning, all right,
So they just resigned their own agency. I guess.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
I mean they were topping off Chase. He was still
in our contract. Oh yeah, it's all resignings. Literally all
of theirs are they resigned Chase against Hill.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Free agency being able to retain your own in house
talent and talent the Cincinnati Bengals did have. And for me, Zak,
I really don't care about this, and who has the
top seven team? No one really cares, especially if you
don't make it to the playoffs. You don't win a
playoff game. At the end of the day, check with
me in twenty twenty six and let me know how
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you feel about it.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I as far, Yeah, I don't know how to great stuff,
but they haven't played it down. I will say that
it seems like they filled holes. They did it well
within their budget, you know, those kinds of things. I
don't know, Like Sherfield fills a role obviously, the two
defensive players. All these guys except for Sheffield has some
injury concerns. So I mean, there's all kinds of different
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ways you could look at it. At the end of
the day, I like what they did. I don't know
that the Ingram is the route I would have gone,
but I'll wait to see the vision on the field
before I get upset about it. It's weird, you know
how you tweeted out the joker thing, even though he's
never been used like that like ever, so like you know,
he's a big slot.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I don't want to see the vision first, so I'm
not going to sit here and bash it. But at
the end of the day, I think the rest of
it seems pretty good. I like the sharefield signing.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, we all like it, But for me, I don't
get into the grades and rankings because for me that
makes no sense. The guys have not played together, and
the best way you can measure whether team was successful
and free agency is to look at what they're doing
in the postseason. I think I think we can look
at it that way and comment about it without feeling
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as though with stepping on any toes.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Right, Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I just don't want, you know, I don't know how
to grade something when they when they have been on
the field down.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So you had you say, somebody put like an AI
mock draft in or something, yes, USA today release.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
I just noticed this after I put the six pack together.
The USA today released a AI concocted mock draft. They
use Microsoft co Pilot to put it together. There's some
weird ones in here, for sure. I think you get
a fairly choky top six nothing and nothing really weird
there that starts.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Going a little odd.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
After that, you see t Mack the wide receiver out
of Arizona Tech, McMillan going to the Panthers at eight.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It gets a little well, I'd see this.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
There's one or two teams that really love him, But
I think the difference in where he goes versus where
fans and media have him, I think there's a lot
of fans of media that are gonna be surprised by
how he and potitionally Luther Burden could be available much later.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Tyler Warren going to the Saints at nine another kind
of off. Yeah, that feels weird. I think these are
the oddest ones though.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
I'll give you a group of three here, Colston Loveland
to the Cincinnati Bengals doubling up on the big bodied
receiving Titans with Kasikia and Loveland there.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I think that's a funky combo. Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
They've got the Broncos going with one of the lighter
edge rushers in this draft, to James Pierce Junior out
of Tennessee, who I think a lot of people don't
even see as a first round prospect at this point.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
So that's I like him. But that's a little rich
and that's a little weird.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Broncos edge rushers You just draft to Jodah Ellis last year,
who showed flashes and is very young.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
You just paid Coop and you're probably paying Banino. It
feels like a weird move.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
And if you were gonna add anything to that room,
you think you'd want to add size, not a very
lighter body. Weirdest though, maybe they have running backs going
at twenty two to the Chargers with Omarion Hampton, twenty
three to the Packers despite Josh Jacobs with Travon Anderson,
and twenty four to the Minnesota Vikings despite Aaron Jones
with Quinn Shawn Judkins.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I could see more running backs going in the first
and people think again, League Lee thinking on that's pivoting back.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Towards getting that fifth year.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
You know, that seems a little odd that Hampton will
probably be long gone before the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
You're picking, Although he'd be good in that offense.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I mean, that would be be a heck an offense
for him to be in Rocos Country and nine rolls
on this gold, big glue Roger against the shot.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Even a would busted Gravey in a food fight.
Rocco's Country Tonight, Benamit Oldbright, Nick Ferguson, Grant Smith.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah, they got mad at me. I used to sorry
carrying over a conversation in the break.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
They got mad at me because I used to get
paper checks here before I did direct deposit, and like
I would, they would just leave them stacked.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Up before I went in there and finally finally deposit them.
Or where they get mad at me.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I get these notices like, hey, you need to go
deposit your check. It's been ninety days and corporate accounting
is upset with you.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Well, you know what I think with you having a
situation like that. One person I think would love to
have some of that cash that mistakenly entering your pocket
is one old Grant Smith. I think you would yet
I have.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know, I try. I try to try to take
care of the prison. Give me a nice Christmas bonus
every da I do a Christmas bonus. You know, just
a random bonus would be nice too. You know, I'm
on that idea.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Every time someone tweets at you about how much they
appreciate Grant, well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Like as well, I don't want to do that because
as soon as I say that, everybody's gonna start grand
But I like, yeah, you know, and then we tried
the fun stuff during the season.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I asked for a leg on a parlay and if
that hits, then I you know, we haven't had one
to hit yet.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
But unfortunately I am not a very good gambler. Yeah,
which is also a daily reminder for Grant not to gamble. Yes, yes,
I'm just saying, but if one of these hits one day,
then well I will absolutely do what I like. I
like I said, I'm a minimum word. I will always.
We were like one leg so close at the got
the nineteen leg one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Grant,
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I'm going I'm to put a down payment on a house.
But we were going to Garden Grace tonight. So what's
one of those parlays kind of crush your dreams. I
don't even rememind which that was the Super Bowl and
wasn't it Yeah, uh, we only needed I think like
we missed. It was nineteen legs and we missed two. Well,
we came very very close.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I think the one I remember missing. We picked the
Chiefs to win straight up money line. Yeah, I was
Chiefs to win on the money line was one and
then what was he?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I wish I could remember the other. I think it
was Saquon's yardage total. So we can blame Rob Dawson
for that one because that was his pick. So I
don't remember who picked Chief's money line.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That may have been me. Let's blame temper u. He
got it, he got his. Whatever his pick was, he
got his. I think it was like the like the
Eagles first half under or something like that. I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
He actually his pick was was fine, it was. I
just remember that Rob's was definitely one of the ones
that did not.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So and I do that, you know, I try to.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I solicit from everybody one pick and then I'm like, okay,
I'll divide the money evenly amongst everybody after I make
because I'll put a hundred bucks on it and it'll
it'll end up paying out like a day.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Wait wait, hold on, hold on back it for a second.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So I'm listening to what you are describing, and you're
saying that you're listening to all these people give you
one pick and you split the cash. I'm noticing that
you've never asked me anything. You don't gamble. I mean,
I don't gamble, but it's not me. I'm not gambling. Okay,
well then I was in glue to you next year,
and Andrew Pick. That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying
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gambling all the.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Want to go back in touch us something that your
rapport said earlier the K Sports show and he was
talking about it's not at Courtland Sutton and talking about
running backs as well.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Sorry, go ahead and Brant if you're a.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Running back right now, like like let's say you're JK.
Dobbins right and I think he's you know, he's one
of the top guys. You also have Nick Chubb out there.
You have some guys with the main value, Like the money's.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Not really increasing, right.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Because if you're a team, let's say to the Broncos,
let's say you need a running back, Well, okay, you
can get one in the second or third round, and
historically you get on the second or third round, he's
going to be you know, coming and make an impact
or really has a chance to make a really really
big impact or you know, I would say there's probably
likely two running backs in the first round. Okay, we
could take one of those and maybe.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You sort of get a game breaker, right.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I mean, so the problem is if you don't get
swept up early in free agency, if you hold out,
you want more money, You want more money. Sometimes the
money isn't there.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So that's sort of the decision you face. And like,
if you're a JK.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Dobbins, you got an offer for let's just say, you know,
three to four million dollars, do you take it right
now or do you want to wait until.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
After the draft.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
And maybe a team who thought they were going to
get a running back didn't and maybe that price increases
a little bit for the game that's going on now.
But really, like there's not a huge upside in signing
if you're a running back right now, maybe right around
the draft or maybe right after the draft.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Just from what you know and what you're hearing, is
it more likely you think that Courtlan Sudden ends up
getting traded from the Broncos other than rather than than
extending him.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I would never say never in the NFL because we've
seen all sorts of different versions of this that I've
heard a lot of quote and Sutton trade rumors. None
of them have happened. None of them have turned to
be true, and you know, I mean, I don't know
that anything's actually accelerated.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Now.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Look, you get to know the second day of the draft,
the team thought they were going to get a receiver,
doesn't get one, and they say, you know what, I
like Quotland, so let me get them, or the extent
in the sense or anything like that is happening. You
sort of hope that the Broncos would do something financially
for him, but he already got one big extension. Trying
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to squeeze an extra year, extra money out of a
team for that third contract has proven tough. I mean,
you could do it, but you've got to be sort
of next level. That's generally the kind of guys who
get those third contracts. So it's an uphill battle. We'll
see what lands. But I would say it's still pretty fluid.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
For Quotland Sutton. Yeah. I think that's a fair way to.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Determ that, and there have been there have been explorations
with that, you know, through at thing Courtland held out
a little bit last year.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
They spiffed him a little bit.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
But I again, I had the conversations that I've had
throughout this offseason that the Broncos weren't interested in investing
a high dollar amount of the receiver position, that they
weren't after the top tier guys. They love their young
receiving group, you know. I think that also applies in
the future of Courtland Suton. Maybe they get something done,
but in reality, I think the number for Courtland Sutton
has gotten to the point now where I don't know
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if it's feasible because if you look at the numbers
that t Higgins and Stefon Digs signed for Courtland Sutton's
number is not twenty five per year anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's like twenty eight, twenty nine. That's the market value.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Now, are the Debora Broncos really going to do a
four x thirty deal one hundred and twenty million dollars
for Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I'm not sure that that is the best approach for
the team. And I get it, you know, Courland is
a fan favorite.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I like Cordon.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
He's definitely worked hard. But with the Reber Mester roll,
that comes down to dollars making sense. And do those
dollars actually, you know, make sense or does the team
value younger players and say, okay, well, you already have
bo you know what he can do, and if you
surround him with younger talent, they grow together and that
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kind of balances out your pay scale.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And it's just one of these things we've just we've
never seen Sean.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Payton pay an observant amount of money to one particular uh,
you know, wide receiver. And then now if you start
compairing the dollar amount, then you start to look at
the level of production. Now, the pushback that you would get,
you'll get from fans and others saying okay, well, calling
was one of those guys that it was a go
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to guy for for bow Knicks last year, right yep.
And I would say, yes, absolutely, he balled out the
year before with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
But to be paid on that elite of a level.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I think maybe the organization looks at, well, you have
to be that type of guy. Like we know PS
two is without a doubt, there's no question, there's no debate.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He is that dude.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
He is that alpha male. On the Bronco's defense, no
one would ever question that, even though some question that
when he was first drafted by George Peyton. But now
you're not going to question that do you question that
with Courtland Sutton and if you have any reservations, then
you don't pull the trigger and make it a deal
of that caliber.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I mean, if it's me, I think you get into
the season and see what shakes out, and this might
be a trade Courtland in the middle of the season
kind of season. You know, if it doesn't go as expected,
that might that might be the case to offload that
because next year you're gonna have a ton of cap space.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Right the Russell Wilson stuff falls off.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Next year, you're gonna have a ton of cap space,
and you've got to figure out extensions with Benito, Zach Allen,
whomever else that you're going to extend.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
You have to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
And the Broncos has said they've come out and said
we're not negotiating any of that till after the draft,
which puts them at their maximum leverage point, right because
at that point they will know what they've got and
what they don't got through the draft and they don't
have to guess on it ahead of time and all
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So you know, I I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I'm I'm for all the criticisms that I've had of
Sean Payton, and I think, you know, most people, some
people think I'm a hater on that, which is silly,
but I have legit criticism. But one thing I definitely
agree with him on is not paying wide receivers. I'm
I'm the other way with it. I think, you know,
if you've got the quarterback and you need to build
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up the offensive line, create create an environment in which
your quarterback can thrive and elevate those receivers on their own,
and that that formula has worked for him over the years.
Pay one guy if you got to, but that that
formulas worked for him over the years. I tend to
come at it from that angle.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Sometimes you have to make adjustments to your strategy and
building a team the same way you have to make
in game adjustments when you are competing on.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
The grid iron. Right, what may have worked for you.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Once before may not work now. And it doesn't mean
that you have to abandon everything you thought of previously.
Only thing is you're just making subtle tweaks here and there.
And I think this is where some coaches lose themselves,
you know, trying to be beholding to one type of attitude,
that they kind of mature as they became a coach.
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I mean, all you have to do is just kind
of fall back a little, just having a little open mind,
and if you do that, you make your team better,
but you also improve as a coach. It is only
when your thoughts become solidify that it becomes a problem.
So maybe there is a way that both the Broncos
and Sudden kind of in a way get what they want.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Maybe there's still a room for them to get that.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I just looking at the way that this offseason has
presented itself and looking at.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
The at what the deals that that some of these
guys have got.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
The team Higgins's gotten that Stefan Digson has gotten, I mean,
it puts the Broncos in a bund here. I mean,
you're going to have to market rate is now twenty
nine million power. Okay, I get what the market rate is.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
But here's what I would say that you or anyone
else maybe for may not throw into this equation. Are
you still looking at that same level of production for
those types of players.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I mean I know that Stefan Digg's situation raises a
lot of questions and ifs and whats.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
And why do they do this?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
And with the New England. But you only worth what
someone's willing to pay you in that regard. But I'll
ask you this, then, when you look at some of
the receivers that you're talking about, you talk about a Chase,
you can even talk about CD Lamb.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well, I'm not even putt him in the Chase conversation.
I'm putting Hm in the because Chase is like forty
million dollars a year. I'm talking about the Higgins conversation,
which is thirty.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Okay, well, let's just remove the dollar figure from the conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Let's look at the player in the production.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Where do you see Courtland falling and the pantheon of
wide receivers?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Where is he? I mean, what do you mean in
terms of its meaning? Okay, you know what a Chase
can do. You know what a T.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Higgins you do? If you know what a CD Lamb
can do, you know what a Justin Jefferson can do?
The strip away the money value that each player has
negotiated to this point, and they talk pure football skills.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I would I mean to me, he's a complimentary receiver.
He's not a guy who puts a team on his back.
He can make good plays.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Sometimes there have been some inconsistencies, but he can make plays.
He's a good receiver. I wouldn't call him an elite one.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
So basically, from what you just said, how you just
so eloquently tossed it out there doesn't warrant that type
of money.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I don't say that's exactly it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I think I would have a problem paying him anything
over twenty million a year. But the problem is is
that the market rate is so much higher than that. Now,
like I would, I'd pay Calls twenty million a year.
I do a four year twenty million dollars, which is
really gonna end up in a two year deal. But
you know what I mean, Like I would pay him
a twenty million dollars a year and then you know,
but I'm not nine million additional ten million dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I mean, that's the.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Difference between getting another running back a guard, you know,
or a running back a defensive end. That's the difference
in getting John Franklin Myers done. I mean, we're talking,
we're talking the money to go out and get a corner.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
What we're talking.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I mean, there's legitimate money that's the conversation and us
having this back and forth. It was seen to someone
on the outside looking at well, they don't.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Really like Cordon. I love Cortland. It's not that, Yeah,
I love Cortland, but yes it I mean, you.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Never want to be in a conversation where someone's saying
but you wanted to be in a conversation where they're
saying this and something else. But this is a realistic
conversation that the Broncos have to have now and for
the future because there's other guys, oh that you are
comparing Courtland to who don't play the position that he plays.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You just named one of them, Zach Allen. What about
Nick Benito?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, you got the top edge money that it's just
gonna be paid because he's He's a top ten edge
rusher in terms of productivity. When you look at this
Courtland Sutton's a fifty five yard a game guy and
a six.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Touchdown season guy. Are you paying that thirty million dollars
a year?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I mean from a football standpoint, no.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
And this is where what I learned from being around
Ted sound Quiz and Mike Shanahan. It reaches a point
where you got to separate your emotions from the player,
and you've got to really look at it from a
business perspective, right, because there's football business and a business
of football. They sound the same, but they're entirely different things.
(14:43):
So you have to not only look and say, well,
what's in the best interest for Courtland in this situation,
but overall for your team. And you may love Courtland,
you may like Courtland, but once again, it comes down
to a business decision and can you make a tough decision? Well,
you're to design should I invest this extra money in
Courtland or should I move those that money around to
(15:07):
different pieces?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And how much how much productivity if I losing if
I move on from him, what percentage of that is
made up by having Devon Val in that role? Can
Val perform at that level?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I don't know that the projection is that he can,
but it hasn't really been proven that he could actually
do that because he hasn't been in a situation where
he's had the spotlight on him and he's been the
focal point of the offense.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
But this is the conversation that Sean Payton is having
and knowing as though he has bo I don't know
this for sure, But there's a part of me that's saying,
you know what, as long as we got bo, we
can make anything work.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, And I think I think that's the way you
have to look at it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
If you have the quarterback, you have to believe that
that quarterback can elevate the receivers around them to the
point where you now, there is there is a point
where you can't just throw five cowboys out there and
hope to it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know that could work.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Look at Kansas City when they've had their receivers go down,
they've got to get deep into that worid receiving corps.
The productivity hasn't been there, and you've got Pat Mahomes
back there. So there is there is a competency line
that you can't help belong.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Well, yes, but still I'll add this, since she brought
up Kansas City, you still have the improvisation, the uber
improvisation of a guy like Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But the biggest thing that the Kansas City Chiefs have as.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Their weapon isn't Patrick Mahomes, right, It is freaking Andy Reid.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, that's the guy. Yeah, And in the end, when
you've got that, you hope that that that helps make
up for everything else.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
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Speaker 1 (16:41):
The text line, We've got plenty of haters on there,
so if you guys want to keep the hate listening,
I'm happy for that when we come back with the
NFL six pack.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
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six pack. We to that just a moment. Five six
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Speaker 1 (17:00):
Support out there, including the seven to two OHO says
that Patricks Mike is so about his job he r
worth anything. Would have insisted that I'd be fired a
long time ago. Well, buddy, I just got a new
contract and a pay raise. Could have done it with ash.
You appreciate your support with that. Let's called the NFL
six pad.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
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Speaker 6 (17:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I'm gonna trade a lot of insight and inside information
you can't find anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I know the top six NFL headline.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
What Micah Parson's talking about? Some feisty shots. Micah Parsons
continued to respond to former teammate and newly minted Seattle
Seahawk to Marcus Lawrence and his comments about parsons online
presence today when he said, I know I'm one of
the best players, and as long as I'm performing that way,
it shouldn't matter talking about his tweeting. When you jump
(17:46):
off sides on the goal line, is that because I'm tweeting.
I think it's ridiculous, outrageous. Do you think there are
any problems relating to Micah parsons online media presence or
are you on MICA's side here?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I think the Cowboys had a actually locker room, and
then maybe Michael Parson's tweeting could have helped, you know,
or not tweeting and maybe communicating with the you know,
teammates that he had bad relationships with might have helped out.
I'm just saying that that locker room does have some
and still has some fractures in it. It'll be interesting
to see, you know, what comes of that. But I
(18:19):
think if everybody's committed to creating a winning environment and
making sure that their priorities are straight, I'm not saying
Michael Parsons can't tweet, but I'm saying, okay, I hear
what you're.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Saying about the goal line there and jumping all sides
and all that.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Now, tell me what all your tweeting is a value
add Thus, when in a Super Bowl, Man.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It's too much damn.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Social media in tweeting to begin with, because either of
these players, if they were focused on doing their job,
the Cowboys would have performed better as a unit.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And to come out and air your own individual.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Grievances in this particular way, I'm gonna deem it to
be unprofessional because I would rather if I'm your teammate,
you tell it to me to my face in the
locker room. You don't have to out me or say
things on social media like this. So for me, this
is the bad look for both players in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, there's just no there's just no need to. I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
I'm concerned more that he's clinging to it, that he's
fighting back this hard about just some kind of throwaway
tweet by DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
If it feels like we're going too far down that
rabbit hole, Yeah, true, a dump. Same way, it is
a little much.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Today, cam Hayward said that he felt his comments about
Aaron Rodgers joining the Steelers, he said, or sorry his
past comments about Aaron Rodgers joining the Steelers, which were
either you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or you don't.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's that simple. That's the pitch.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
We're misconstrued, and that he would actually love to have
the aging quarterback in Pittsburgh. How much of this change
in tune do you think is him trying to clean
up a misunderstanding and how much of it do you
think is him looking around and realizing that quarterback market
has dried up quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Well, first of all, we're all aging, uh, even you
youthful youthful person who was poorn in like the year
twenty ten or whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I think Cam Hayward got some pushback from uh from the.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Front office there about, hey, maybe we need to phrase
this a little differently.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Steer is the only option for Rodgers at this point.
I sort of get the what Cam Hayward was saying.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Shelby was in here earlier had had a different take
on it. I get what Cam Hawer was saying, like
if you want to be here, dude, like what are
you doing? But at the same time, Shelby was like, yeah,
he's a free agent. He is the right to take
his time on his decision and do whatever, and so
I get that too. At the end of the day, though,
like you either know if you want to play ball
or not, because if you don't want to play, if
you if you're waffling, then you don't want to play.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
You don't love anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Right, just keep it a buck. If Aaron wanted to play,
he would go ahead and do this. Yes, Shelby said that, Hey, listen,
you're a free agent and take your time. But this
has been the know him for Aaron Rodgers. Will you
to seeing him do these types of things? Right, he's
trying to stall him up, debo, that's what he's trying
(21:05):
to do, and the Pittsburgh Steelers should go ahead and
move on. And the fact that you have Haywood somewhat
backpedaling on his comments, that's only to try to entice
Aaron Rodgers to join the team. Because could you imagine
one of the leaders of the defense, Aaron Rodgers comes in,
that's friction already, So they're trying to nip it in
(21:25):
the butt before they move on.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I think that's only smart.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
It just seems to me like Aaron Rodgers kind of
loves being the center of attention, and I think he
understands the way to maximize how long he's the center
of attention is dragged this process out as long as possible.
Like you said, he's either choosing to play for the
Steelers or not play for the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
At this point, it's a binary choice. Yeah, And we
were talking about this a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's kind of weird how the only reason other than
narciss system that you could be hanging around not making
this choice is you're somehow secretly hoping that JJ McCarthy
gets hurt so that the Vikings a big Oh, we
do need you after all.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
What a weird you know, Like, what a weird thing
to hope for. Yeah, that's carmatically pressed three karmically press.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
At the end NFL combine, LSU left tackle Will Campbell
fell short of that thirty three inch arm length threshold
we typically see at the tackle position, coming in at
thirty two and five eighths of an inch today at
LSU's pro day, though, he hit that thirty three inch
bench park when they measured his arms. How do you
explain that difference in the measurements with it code and Indie.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Or what it's a thirty two inch tape. You cut
an inch off the bottom and then all this, you know,
used to be guys getting around the COMBA stuff. I
got plenty of stories on that kind of stuff. Guys
putting foam under their balls and their feet and on
their on their heels, putting like put like little foam
squares to try to get an extra half an inch
or whatever quarter of an inch in height. There are
(22:53):
plenty of There are plenty of people that have done
different things. I will say that hand size for quarterbacks
like a big deal, right, And you've seen guys like,
for instance, Brandon Allen who had eight and a half
inch hands at the Senior Bowl. He gets to the
combined all the other night inch hands. Then he went
out and actually admitted what he did, which was he
went and got hand massages and he was stretching his
(23:14):
hands for the better part of a month in an
effort to hit the minimum threshold measurement there and make
himself seem more viable.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Why don't we get so hung up about guy's length
of their arm and their fingers and all of this.
I mean, it's football. Either we know a guy can
play or he can't play. Just turn on the tape.
What do you does your eyes actually tell you? But
you got guys who are going through these kind of
mental gymnastics to try the massage, getting more extensive with
(23:47):
your hands through a hen massage.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
That sounds utterly ridiculous. What was it?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I agree?
Speaker 6 (23:55):
And Will Campbell kind of echoed that sentiment today when
he was talking about the whole thing, saying, you know,
I've been viewed as a top ticket tackled pretty much
my entire college career because I started here as a
freshman in the SEC and there's been none of these
questions until they put a tapan as repped to my arms,
and now all of a sudden, I can't play.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You guys have seen this for multiple seasons. I think
there's I mean, we see this not just with the
physical measurements. We see it at pro days. Everything seems
more favorable forty times or miraculously faster. It's weird how
all of a sudden, you know, it's weird how that
thirty eight yard dash.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Time comes in a lot faster than at forty time, right,
just saying or.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Vikings GM Quesci Edopho Mensa said that JJ McCarthy was
the outcome the franchise wants, or sorry, JJ McCarthy starting
is the outcome the franchise wants and are moving towards
for the upcoming season. What do you make of the
non committal nature of these comments and how aggressive do
you think Minnesota will be when it comes to adding
another quarterback to that room?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I believe the lad of Joe Flacco or something like
that to the room. Carson wentz, maybe they have JJ
and Brett ripping there right now. He's just saying the
thing you say at this point, because what if JJ
McCarthy gets hurt, you know, and then all of a
sudden we've said we're never bringing in Aaron Rodgers and
then all of a.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Sudden, you know. So they're saying what you're supposed to say,
which is it's.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Gonna be JJ unless something catastrophic happens, in which case
we have to go in a different direction.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
But he's not saying it that way because that's not
how you say it. Like this is just public relations
of work.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Basically, you're leaving all doors open, right even though you're
not really have one open.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
You're leaving the possibility that you could go open it.
I'm just saying, that's all Cracy's saying.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I'm just saying, if you could acquire Aaron Rodgers, why
not if everything works out, If it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Guess what, I didn't know anything at all.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
And oh, by the way, if it does happen by chance,
once again, Aaron Rodgers is following Brett Farr.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
He can't get rid of it, right, Brett farward from
the packets of the Jets. Then to Minnesota, and could
Aaron Rodgers do the same thing? Sign here, I'm here
for that.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Minnesota Vikings helmet is whispering to Aaron Rodgers like the
Green Goblin masket is.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
It is begging and become the Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Ave.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
The NFL Competition Committee is expected to change up the
kickoff yet again, moving up the touch back from the
thirty yard line to the thirty five yard line that
while keeping the other dynamic kickoff changes we saw a
season ago, their hopes are, while keeping the kickoff a
safer play, that this will up the return rates that
(26:36):
we saw. Do you think they'll be successful in that aim?
And how would you like to see the NFL kickoff fixed?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Well?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
The creator of this.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
M schwartzteen said move the kickoff back five yards and
that'll solve your problems pretty much.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I tend to agree with him. You just need to
move the kicker back until you find that the range
that it is you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
The NFL's could obsessed with having kickoff returns and it's
been tweaking things for years.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
The dynamic kickoff is the way to the future.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
The tweaks here or move the kicker back just a
little bit and then you'll put it in the dynamic
range and then you'll get it. Nobody's you know, you
moved back far enough, nobody's gonna get it in the
endzone eventually.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I like the new rules that they.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Have in place because at first we were all questioning
whether it was going to change the game and was
going to be really exciting. And we saw started with
to preseam it look it looked a little shaky, but
we saw some teams break them during the season, like
Cincinnati had one where to do just kind of ran
up the gut and he just out of it, you know,
smashed eighty eight at the gate and for me as
(27:32):
a guy, that.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Cut my teeth in and then the league and special
teams signed me up full.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I want more exciting plays and that's what people tune
in for.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Agree, and special teams matters.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
You know, if you look at the best scoring defenses
in the league, there is a correlation between that and
average starting field position allowed, which is why I thought
it was so lame. We saw so many coaches last
year kind of just roll over on their backs and
go belly up and just forfeit the extra five yards
that they were giving up on every single play. We're
not wanting a two hour return and just yeah, four
(28:05):
fit those five yards. I hope we see uh them
not willing to give up ten yards this next season.
Six ESPN ranked the Denver Broncos free agent and re
signing Hall as the NFL's seventh best behind in order here,
the Buffalo Bills in first, the Rams in second, the
(28:26):
Vikings in third, the Lions in fourth, the Bucks in fifth.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
And the Bengals in sixth.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Okay, do you agree with the Broncos placement on that
list and are there any surprises that jump out to
you in that top seven?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Who did the Bengals bring in? It's resigning, all right,
So they just resigned their own agency. I guess.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
I mean they were topping off Chase. He was still
in our contract. Oh yeah, it's all resignings. Literally all
of theirs are they resigned Chase against Hill.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Free agency being able to retain your own in house
talent and talent the Cincinnati Bengals did have. And for me, Zak,
I really don't care about this, and who has the
top seven team? No one really cares, especially if you
don't make it to the playoffs. You don't win a
playoff game. At the end of the day, check with
me in twenty twenty six and let me know how
(29:19):
you feel about it.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I as far, Yeah, I don't know how to great stuff,
but they haven't played it down. I will say that
it seems like they filled holes. They did it well
within their budget, you know, those kinds of things. I
don't know, Like Sherfield fills a role obviously, the two
defensive players. All these guys except for Sheffield has some
injury concerns. So I mean, there's all kinds of different
(29:42):
ways you could look at it. At the end of
the day, I like what they did. I don't know
that the Ingram is the route I would have gone,
but I'll wait to see the vision on the field
before I get upset about it. It's weird, you know
how you tweeted out the joker thing, even though he's
never been used like that like ever, so like you know,
he's a big slot.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I don't want to see the vision first, so I'm
not going to sit here and bash it. But at
the end of the day, I think the rest of
it seems pretty good. I like the sharefield signing.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, we all like it, But for me, I don't
get into the grades and rankings because for me that
makes no sense. The guys have not played together, and
the best way you can measure whether team was successful
and free agency is to look at what they're doing
in the postseason. I think I think we can look
at it that way and comment about it without feeling
(30:29):
as though with stepping on any toes.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Right, Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I just don't want, you know, I don't know how
to grade something when they when they have been on
the field down.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So you had you say, somebody put like an AI
mock draft in or something, yes, USA today release.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
I just noticed this after I put the six pack together.
The USA today released a AI concocted mock draft. They
use Microsoft co Pilot to put it together. There's some
weird ones in here, for sure. I think you get
a fairly choky top six nothing and nothing really weird
there that starts.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Going a little odd.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
After that, you see t Mack the wide receiver out
of Arizona Tech, McMillan going to the Panthers at eight.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It gets a little well, I'd see this.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
There's one or two teams that really love him, But
I think the difference in where he goes versus where
fans and media have him, I think there's a lot
of fans of media that are gonna be surprised by
how he and potitionally Luther Burden could be available much later.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Tyler Warren going to the Saints at nine another kind
of off. Yeah, that feels weird. I think these are
the oddest ones though.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
I'll give you a group of three here, Colston Loveland
to the Cincinnati Bengals doubling up on the big bodied
receiving Titans with Kasikia and Loveland there.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I think that's a funky combo. Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
They've got the Broncos going with one of the lighter
edge rushers in this draft, to James Pierce Junior out
of Tennessee, who I think a lot of people don't
even see as a first round prospect at this point.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
So that's I like him. But that's a little rich
and that's a little weird.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Broncos edge rushers You just draft to Jodah Ellis last year,
who showed flashes and is very young.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
You just paid Coop and you're probably paying Banino. It
feels like a weird move.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
And if you were gonna add anything to that room,
you think you'd want to add size, not a very
lighter body. Weirdest though, maybe they have running backs going
at twenty two to the Chargers with Omarion Hampton, twenty
three to the Packers despite Josh Jacobs with Travon Anderson,
and twenty four to the Minnesota Vikings despite Aaron Jones
with Quinn Shawn Judkins.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I could see more running backs going in the first
and people think again, League Lee thinking on that's pivoting back.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Towards getting that fifth year.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
You know, that seems a little odd that Hampton will
probably be long gone before the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
You're picking, Although he'd be good in that offense.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I mean, that would be be a heck an offense
for him to be in Rocos Country and nine rolls
on this gold, big glue Roger against the shot.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Even a would busted Gravey in a food fight.
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