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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We got some interesting news out of the owners meetings,
not wholly unexpected in terms of some rules.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The so called tush push has got some.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Support for maybe eliminating it from from various different teams,
probably the ones that can't stop it, and certainly has
some support from the Competition Committee. It's one of those
ones they expect to be hotly contested. There's the quote
coming out of there. And then of course the eighteen
game season thing coming up here, and I don't know
(00:32):
if that's I don't know if that's going to start
sooner than later, but we do expect that to probably
to probably become a thing eventually once they got the seven,
once they cracked the lid on seventeen, we knew eighteen
was coming.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Let's start with the eighteen game season. As a member
of the NFLPA, what.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Are you saying, Okay, what do you think about what
do you think about the eighteen game season? And how
will the NFL adjustice because I feel like you're gonna
have to put a second bye week in. I feel
like you're going to have to uh. And then then
obviously player salaries will continue to go up. To be
a commiserate with getting that extra game.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, there's a lot of things that's factor into this.
The first thing we always have to think about when
negotiating its conversation what does the conversation look like? And
I can tell you this with the last CBA, they
didn't really account for it. Well when the NFLPA kind
of put this deal together.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
For me, I think it was kind of rushed since.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
The league the ct was winding on their deals as
far as the major broadcast partners. So the one thing
they have to resolve is that part conversation, TV money,
streaming revenue splits, what does that really look like? And
you brought up something which I think is really important
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when you are moving to eighteen games, and I think
it's more likely than not that it will go to
eighteen games, is well, what is that going to look
like for the bodies of the players If you are screaming, well,
you know, it's all about health now, right, And we
understand why that's been a big push by the league
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and the emphasis on health because everything that came out
about mold concussions. So if you're going to do that
knowing as though football is played on Monday, Sundays and
Thursday and every team is playing on a Thursday night game.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So if you implement eighteen games, where does the bidie
we come.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, I think you got to have two. I think
if you're an eighteen game season, you need two bye weeks.
And I've always propositioned that the NFL is doing the
Thursday night games backwards, that there should be a bye
week before the Thursday night game so that you have
the maxim amount of time for the body to recover,
because you're going to get the extra time afterwards. You're
not going to play on Sunday after a Thursday night game, right,
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So for me, it puts those Thursday night games on
kind of an island and allows the body to recover.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So photographer safety. Two bye weeks in a season and.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Then you've got, you know, a bye week before Thursday
night games, and that that sort of even set out.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I think as far as the preseason goes.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You're probably down to two games and maybe a controlled
scrimmage or two. I don't think you're gonna be playing
three preseason games anymore.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
No, we're not.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
And we've seen that change since I played, because it
was four preseason games. Now there's some there's some pros
and cons to minimizing the preseason games. One, you you're
able to get more your work in with joint practices,
and years ago I was totally against it, but I'm
all four because you are able to create more situation.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Of football type of.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Events in practice and you are able to see guys competing.
You can evaluate that more so than more effectively than
the preseason game. And I think that that's kind of
going to be the new direction. But here's the downside
when it comes to finding an am mccare free A
Terrell Davis, A Rod Smith, a Nick Ferguson, it's going
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to be very difficult because we all needed that those
that extra time to showcase what we can do, and
we know in camp, but joint practices, those coaches have
scripts and they want to make sure that guys who
they project as being starters, that those.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Guys receive all of that time. So that's kind of
where the dilemma is to as well.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
But here's the other thing, being you got they have
to take in consideration.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Are the game day rosters are going to increase and.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Are we going to see an increase as far as
the number of guys that you have in a practice
squad because you know, during COVID will change.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, and I think the practice squad has sort of
with the way they do the call ups and everything.
Now it's sort of been a de facto increase in
the roster size, even if you haven't actually gotten.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
An increase in the roster size.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So you're going to have to increase it more if
you're talking about eighteen games.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, right, he's going to have to go more.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
But with all this being.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Said, none of this is gonna change without equal compromise
from the owners. And here's what the owners are going
to want. They already want eighteen games. So this past
CBA lasted ten years. They're gonna want the same amount
ten years or even more of peace. So just in
case they think of some other things they want to
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throw in there as revenue drivers for them, they benefit
from that and not the players.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Right, And they'll benefit from the additional revenue in the
broadcast rights deal with the additional games.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
The amount of money that they make per game inside
the stadium really pales in comparison to all that, so
that you know, that's one of those things I think
people are like Oh, well, they're gonna get a revenue
from yeah, I mean you get a little stadium revenue
and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
But the reality is your real money comes off the
broadcast deals. That's what the body is.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And this is where the players are gonna have to
be a little more stern than they were the last CBA.
Knowing as though this collective brought in agreement runs out
into in twenty twenty seven, the league is already going
to start to negotiate with his broadcasting partners. So we
know how the league works. They see they get cash
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on delivery. As soon as you sign contract, money's in
the account. It's not one of these things, well you
know what, pay us later. No, no, no, we want money now.
We don't care if people don't watch the games. You
want to broadcast, CBS, ESPN, NBC.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
YouTube, whatever you pay us now.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
So the players should be able to say that in
that regard, okay, says you're looking to do that cash
in right away, we need you to make a couple
of concessions where we need to change some of the
benefits to better benefits for former players and current players.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
See, that's where the rubb is going to meet the road, and.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
The problem is uniting everybody because the current players don't
think about being former players someday, and the former players
are sitting there like, hey, you know, you're gonna want.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
To think about this.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
The concessions that that that that the players gave up
in the last c BAH, I was kind of scratching
my head.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It felt like the owners won that thing and that
was right they did.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And that was one of those ones where I was like, man,
you guys had so much leverage, you just kind of
gave it away here, you know, in this in this
you know why in this setup.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Because guys didn't want to get suspended for weed. Yeah,
oh you know what, and they would and they wouldn't given.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
That up anyway. The owners would have given that one
up at yes, And.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
It's like, you know, thinking long term, you're right, grant
that that's what they wanted to do. That recreation of
fun was a little more important than protecting their overall
well being in themselves and their brothers.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Because we know there's a top.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
One percent of guys who are gonna make the max
amount of money. What are you gonna do by those
other guys who are contributing on the roster who are
not making that same amount of money.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I mean, you got to look out for those guys too.
Those are your brothers.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, And and that's the thing, it's it's you know,
it'll be interesting to see how that and that's coming
up here fairly so an the other news come out
of there, the toush push that they're they're looking at
banning that. And I said this on Twitter, and I
want to clarify I am against banning a specific play.
I hate the idea of banning a play because nobody
can stop it. I am for conceptually banning, you know,
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outside people pushing people forward on offense because you've banned.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It on defense. Can't push guys, can't leap over the
pile on defense. So what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
That is not a fair playing field when it comes
to this stuff we talk about, you know, player safety
and all that. Man that that play in and of itself,
I'm not sure is the safest.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Play in the world.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
If if you're going to ban something, then you need
to ban everybody being able to push the ball carrier forward.
You can't just come out and ban a play because
nobody can stop it.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Well, let's think of a step further.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Since we're thinking about banning, or suggests the Nahoul ban
being able to push a player forward, how about carrying
a player, Because there's been games.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Where where I know for sure I've seen.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
A ball carrier actually carried a couple of yards to
a first down.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, I don't like that either.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I don't like the I don't like allowing outside assistance
on a ball carrier, whether that's pulling, pushing, carrying, swaddling,
whatever it is that we're doing.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
And for me, by all my accounts, and you can
correct me from wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
When he came to the touch push by the Philadelphia Eagles,
they didn't really have another guy like win Aiding, you know,
Jalen Hurts to get him across. It was very strategic
by what they did. They looked at the defensive line
and they look where the gap was right and then
usually it was under his discretion find open gap, put
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the ball ahead. Now, if someone were to scream in
the competition committee, and I know Rich McKay's over the
Competition committee that injuries. We haven't seen an injury until
the Super Bowl where Chris Jones, someone injured his neck
in the Super Bowl and he had to leave. But
that was not because of the play that was neelegent
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on the Chiefs behalf, because Chris Jones took a slanted
approach to allow Nick Boden to push him into that situation.
So I've never seen a guy injured by the tish push,
have you?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I have not, not that I can recall, so you know,
not off the top of my head, I don't recall
an injury from that. But it just feels like that
that's asking for the way to stop it is going
to get defensive players hurt, because you know the way
to stop that.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You got a line up a zero.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
You gotta put two guys in both a gaps like that,
and then you're gonna have to push through, right, you
have to get loan and pushed through, and that's the
only way you're ever gonna be able to stop that play, right,
And the minute you do, you're giving up the jump
pass when you do.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
But that's beside the point.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So if the only way to stop it is to
put guys at risk of being injured, then we have
a problem.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Right for me, this is, in my opinion, my humble opinion,
it is lazy coaching because you have not figured out
a way to stop it. We've seen other teams trying
to tempt the same type of things, but they haven't
been as effective.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
When you think about Kellen Moore, right, Kellen Moore is
now a head.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Coach of the NFL team, why because he was part
of the Philadelphia Eagles the brain trust, right, and he
was a benefactor of the tush push right. Uh, you
look at the coat's head coach, Yeah, change stiking. How
did he get there? Ye, same thing the Arizona car News.
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You know again, how did he get to?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I mean he defensive the ball offense that got that
right exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
So those coaches change stiking, Jonathan Gannet, all those guys
have to vote for this because you got your head
coaching jobs because.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Of that freaking play.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Maybe you're trying to block other people forget it. That's
what Sean mccartmott had to say.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Stove deeper into more of the data on it, and
you know, just thought more about it as well. And
my my position hasn't really changed at all. You know,
I feel where I'm most concerned is, uh, even though
there's not significant data out there to this point, My
my biggest concern is the health and safety of the players.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And it's two things.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
It's it's force added force number one and then the
posture of the players, you know, being asked to execute
that type of play. Uh, that's where that's where my
concern comes in. So I think that's a it's a
loose term really in terms of what what defines a
push push So uh, you know, so there's there's different
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forms of it out there. I know we are one
of the teams that people identify that run it.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Uh, that's fair.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
You know, there's other teams as well. So I just look,
we're gonna we're gonna always act in a way that's
best for the health and safety of the players and
and I think that's the responsible way to go.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Sean McDermott and his thoughts on the Tousche push, which
sort of echoes what I said conceptually, you have to
you have to ban outside assistance moving the ball carrier forward,
because how are you defining this and what you know,
if we say we're banning the.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Toush push, well then what specifically are we banning here?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And are we putting more on referees plates that they
have to adjudicate in a game when they've already got
so much.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, very true.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
It's almost like, you know, remember a couple of years
ago when the Saints were in the playoffs against the
Minnesota Vikings and Kyle Rudolph pushed.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Off and you know, Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Everyone was irate about that particular play, which they were
well within it right because it was a push off
in a full extension of the elbow in the arm,
as the rules say that you cannot do. But then
what they did the NFL to kind of get coaches
out of calling, you know, throwing red challenge flags for
past interference, was to said, we're going to implement a
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rule in pass in aference.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Now if you you can challenge the call.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
But most of the coaches that challenge the call lost,
so you burn.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
The time out.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So it was like, should I should? I know what
my eyes are telling me. I know I should throw it,
But if I throw it, then they're gonna take the
time out away from me, So I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
So what the league and.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
It actually did was saying, well, since no one was
really throwing the challenge flags, they were gonna do ahead
with Doway with the rule so they just find ways
to serve event these rules. And this is just kind
of really ridiculous because Chrum McDermott and the Bills they
attempted it. So if you didn't think the play was
that you know, successful, and you had a problem with
it as far as players being injured, why would you
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implement it for Josh Allen?
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Then why would you do it?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Well, that's the thing I think everybody's tried, and they did.
They tried it with with Josh Ally, didn't do it
exactly work the way? Yeah, because they haven't figured out
the leveraging concepts here. A lot of this is the
brilliant sugeft Stotland, who's the offensive flying coach the Eagles
and uh and the leveraging that you know that he
is that he is coaching to this guy.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I don't think that it's it's a late play. I
don't think it's lazy coaching.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I think if you got something that works, you do
it until somebody takes it away from you.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I got nothing against the Eagles doing this.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
What I'm asking is is this good for the game,
And if it's not, is it good for the game
order for the game to keep it or to get
rid of it.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Either way, is it good for the game the game.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
It's good for the.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Game to keep the play because it is the expansion
and the evolution of the game. How many evolutions that
we've seen of offensive plays. We had the tackles overplay,
we had guys doing the wildcat. We had so many
evolutions to creative plays that most of them was to
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come from college football.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, well, then innovation starts at the ground level.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
The wildcat came from high school because Melson running it
in high school, right, and.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
They didn't want it.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
They didn't There were a lot of stubborn coaches that
did not want to adopt a lot of collegiate plays.
But it isn't in the in the game now. He
and Sean McDermott talking about, you know, when we took
let which the only thing is is those offensive linemen.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Are getting low.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
An idea is the low man wins.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And that's the one thing that's happening because what do
we say, when they played the Washington Commanders, we saw
linebackers diving over the top because they knew that when
those when those linemen would launch out, they're cutting the
legs of those interior linemen, so they're cutting them out.
So to me, there's nothing wrong with the play. If
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they can't come up definitively with an idea of saying, well,
here's what's wrong with the play, then we know the
only reason they're trying to block it is because there's
so many coaches whining and complaining that they can't stop it.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, I'm with you on that, and like you know,
with these other concepts, coaches have figured it out over time. Right,
the Wildcat was a flash in the pan in the
NFL because.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
He eventually got figured out. But it started the high
school level. Gus malsambrun at to Arkansas. They ran it
with Are mcfadd and Philly S Jones. David Lee was
on the staff there.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
He took it to Miami when they went to Miami,
and then we saw Roddy Brown run it against.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
The But then you know, they figured it out.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So either they got to figure it out with the
Toush push or we're gonna have to figure something out.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Lame lazy.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
We got an NFL six pack though, when we.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Come back, Hey, hey, the push push sitting here shouting
expletives towards Luca Dodgic stipped by one free throw.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I'm not bitter? Is what you need? What's it? A
drink like a whole six pack? It's time for the
NFL six pack.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I'm going to drink a lot of beer.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Insight and inside information you can't find anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
No.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Six the top six NFL headlines what.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
Well? Starting with your favorite story. Coming out of the
owner's meetings today, Ben Broncos owner Greg Penner says that
they are still continuing our diligence on a new stadium.
As I mentioned before, he said it's complex, but he
is keeping the team's options open.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Penner noted that a.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
Dome or a retractable roof is under consideration, which would
allow the team to host big national events like the
Final Four.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
How do you feel about this one? Then? No dome? No,
I would rather not host to those events than have
a dome. You like Buffalo?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Buffalo has got.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
An open air stadium, but they've extended the roof to
such a degree that if Buffalo could do an open
air stadium. Of Denver Broncos could do an open air stadium.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Dude, dome foot plays the worst?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Have you like?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Come on, man, you know the vibe is different inside
the dome. It sucks, it sucks.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Whatever, Man, you know I'm wrong. Whatever, No, you're not right.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I'm so correct.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
No, you are so wrong because once again this thing
from a business perspective, come from a fan perspective, business
perspective where dollars makes sense, and the Pinners didn't get
to this point by thinking think about like small dollars,
you think big dog. When you're able to have a dome,
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you can keep it open during the football season, so
you make.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
The home Broncos country happy.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
But in an offseason, when the stadium is not being used,
you close that mug.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
You having concerts and everything up in that piece.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Now that's going to probably challenge Red Rocks a little
as far as them holding concerts, maybe not as much,
but still it opens everything for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Now you can host a couple of things that you
couldn't host before. So I'm about and I would think
that you'd be a little different. I'm about more money,
more money, more money.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
No, I'm about the better experience when I'm at the stadium.
I'm a consumer. And the Panthers got where they were
by rolling back prices. Maybe they need to roll back
that idea of a dome to do it open air, no.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Nice Wallmart reference there.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Selfishly, I'm a fan for those concerts during the winter weeks.
You get seventy five thousand people in there for a
big name and I'm forgetting to go to the March
Madness Games here in Denver. How cool would it be
to go to a final four aur Hole City two? Well,
speaking of the final four, it's all chock just sound.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Nick Ferguson likes it.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Four number one seeds in the men's final four the
first time since two thousand and eight. You've got Auburn, Florida,
Houston and Duke. Who do you like winning the whole thing?
And what was your favorite game of this past weekend
with the Sweet sixteen and Elite eight?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Well, not surprising to find out that Nick wanted that
his favorite candy is those little ant acids with the
with the hearts with the writings on them all chalk.
So you know, as far as the final four goes,
the office pool comes down.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
To myself, Ryan Edwards, Dave Tepper.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And Tony Manis. If Houston wins out, Tony's gonna win.
If Houston beats Duke and Florida beats Auburn, I'll win
if Duke beats Houston. It comes down to Ryan or Tepper,
just depending on who wins the championship game, whether it's
Florida Tepper wins or if it's Duke, Ryan wins. It's
a lot of in league around the office. But I
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don't know favorite game. I guess I liked the way
Arizona and Arizona.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Dude, game was fun.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He though Duke got out to the lead, Arizona was
clawing their way back in. My least favorite would have
been the game that Arkansas choked away against Texas Tech.
You're still better about that? Still salty? I can't tell.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
Yeah, Well, for me, you know those games with Houston
and how they've been playing, and for me, I would
say it's.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
An extra invested interest.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Well, I had a chance to interview Master Pe and
his son is a freshman on that team, so watching
him as a parent kind of relish and something that
his son is going through that he himself dreamed of
and living vicariously through his son.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
To me, I think that's rather cool.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
But this past weekend I enjoyed that Florida Texas Tech game.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
That was a pretty good guy.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
If they lose, is he gonna make them say?
Speaker 7 (22:03):
My favorite game of the weekend was that one as well,
Texas Tech versus or Florida. But anyone that unseats Ben
atop the March Madness poll in the office bracket, that
is who I'm rooting for this A.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well, then you are rooting for an Auburn duke orly
are you rooting for duke to win? At least I
guess I'll have to bite the bullet on the.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
Yep free And a little more serious news, armed robbers
break into Richard Sherman's home with his family inside. His
wife has posted the videos of the armed robbers, and man,
this stuff looks terrifying, Richard Sherman said, house being robbed
at gunpoint with my family in it isn't what anyone.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Wants for a birthday.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Get scary situation that my wife handled masterfully and kept
my kids safe. If anyone has any info that can
help find these people, please reach out and quote from
Richard Sherman, man, do you know any more information about.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
This scary story? Ben?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I mean, I don't have any inditional information other than
what is out there. Kudos on the wife keeping herself
and the kids safe through that. I hope they find
who did it. They came it was they what three
of them. They came in through the window, which is
interesting to me, you know, like the way that they
came through the window, which you know was open, there
was a screen in there, suggested that they knew that
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was going to be the case. So that that that
kind of you know, perked me up a little bit.
But yeah, I hoping they get justice on that. Kudles
from the family for h you know, for keeping the
family safe, and I hope they figure out.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Who it was.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, that was a tough thing to see because obviously
I coached Richard as a member of the forty nine
ers coaching staff, and I had a chance to you know,
meet his wife and his wonderful family. So that's a
scary moment for for something like that to happen, whether
you were at home or you have to watch on
video as someone breaks into your house and your family
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has to go to another room to.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Just kind of secure themselves.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Hopefully this video allows them to track down the sailings,
but it's it's definitely a scary time. So definitely be
careful out there, because I mean.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
We've seen Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, and.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Travis Kelsey Holmes were broken into last year. So these
criminals are getting really frisky.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Yeah, a lot of high profile athletes that maybe these
criminals are kind of figuring out their schedules and taking
advantage of that.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
That's why I just tell everybody I live with Grant
Smith so that I never have to worry about it, and.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
There's nothing you want to steal in my head.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Well, they're terrified if they're terrified of break it in
and being there life.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Being the fury of the mustard a lot for they
don't take it for granted.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
They don't And that'll tie nicely into our last topic.
But for number four, the Cleveland Browns are finally acknowledging
what NFL putits and fans alike. I've known for quite
some time now. The Deshaun Watson trade and signing was
a huge mistake.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
This is an owner of the Browns.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Haslam said, we took a big swing and missed with DeShawn.
We thought we had our quarterback, we didn't, and we
gave up a lot of draft picks to get him.
So we've got to dig ourselves out of that hole.
The trade was an entire organization decision and it ends
with D and I, so hold us accountable. Do you
remember a bigger swing and miss, in the words of
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Jimmy Haslam as a trade or signing in any professional
sports league than Deshaun Watson?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Oh, man, I don't know if Albert Hainsworth was bigger,
but that, you know, I mean literally bigger.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
But that was pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
The herschel Walker trade back in the day was pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You gotta put the Russ trade up there when all
said and gone, although you know, I mean, I don't
think either side really got it that much better than
the other out of that one. I'm trying to think
of just a lopsided trade far as this stuff goes,
and that one that I could think of off.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
The top of my head.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I mean, you mentioned it herschel Walker.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
That was a blockbuster trade that kind of sent two
franchising franchises going into entirely different directions. You look at
what happened to Minnesota, but more importantly, you look at
what happened to the Dallas Cowboys. You know, they stood
to gain so much draft capital and allowed them to
make their team much better and think about what Jimmy
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Johnson was able to do and then carry over and
hand it off to Barry Switzer to win a super
Bowl with Jimmy Johnson type of players. So for me,
that would probably be the biggest trade of all that
worked for one team, didn't work for another.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
What can the Browns get out of this Deshaun Watson
contract at all?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Not right now? They can't after the season, and that's
part of what they've been doing is accelerating the money,
trying to you know, try to get it through year
to year and get it get it to a point
where it's manageable.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I think it's it's funny.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I think it's hilarious that he said that while DeShawn
is definitely he's still going to be a member of
the Browns this year, right like you know, they're just.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Gonna deactivate him for every game.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
That's certainly something where you're you're sitting there just you
know your quarterback that you is your highest paid employee,
and you're sitting there telling him it was a giant
mistake and he's got to be there all year.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
You can't afford to trade him.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Well, once again, you're eating the cost anyway. Why push
him out there when you know you don't want him
to be out there anyway, So draft another guy, develop
another guy, and then move.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
The hell on five. Speaking of someone who didn't want
to be out there, we talked about Kyle Freeland and
Bud Black on the Rockies opening day and how he
got pulled after six scoreless innings. I mentioned Kyle Freeland's
comments earlier.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And I found them, so I'd love to get your
take on them.
Speaker 9 (27:48):
It was only a second time that I touched the
six inning this year, so you know, I know, I
know the pitchcown was low, but you also got to
think about the opt downs the innings. So on the
second time I've touched the six this year, so a conversation,
I told him I was getting a little winded when
you know that, Like I said in the past, that's
you got to have a good report to your manager
and let them know how you're feeling and what you
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want to do.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
What are your thoughts on the hometown hero Kyle Freeland
pulling himself after six innings and his first start.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Of the season for the Rockies and The innings don't matter,
the updowns don't matter.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
It's the pitch count that batters.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
So I don't know if Kyle Freeland has a psychological
block about going in for the seventh, but that was stupid.
As far as the rest of it goes, it sounds
like he's covered for Bud. I mean, you were sixty
seven pitches. If you were winded and pulling at Anthony Richardson, you.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I don't know what tell you that's your conditioning. That's
the problem. Sixty seven pitches is nothing, even even today.
Sixty seven pitches is nothing. When when the average pitch
count first starters eighty plus pitches, not ninety or one
hundred like.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It used to be. But eighty plus, you know, you're
your twenty pitches Like that's a that's another full inning
of work. Mean, that's just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I am there in disbelief at that comment.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Ben.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Let me ask you this question, how many pictures have
you ever thrown in a major league baseball game?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I am not a major league ball player exactly right.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
So I respect the fact that Kyle Frielan is telling
his skipper, hey man I'm a little winded, and you know,
I'm gonna go ahead, and whether he pulled himself out
of but Black decided, you know what, you wind it,
We're gonna We're gonna.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Check you out. Because here's what I know.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
What happens when you get tired and you are playing
or competing in any competitive sport. What happens is injuries
or there's a hamstring. In this case, it's it could
be a shoulder. And how many pictures that we've seen
over the past couple of years have shoulders surgery or.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Dare I say, Tommy Johns, you don't want that?
Speaker 3 (29:48):
And then everyone would have been up in arms yelling
the scream man. But Black should have taken him out
when shut the hell up.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
He did the right thing.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
The player knew that someone that he was exhaust.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
To me, you protect the player always.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
To me, you felt like the player was protecting his
ra sick. I hate to agree with Ben, but this
feels nice being on the right sidele once, doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
Every once in a while and always on the right
side of greatness. Just a little moment to appreciate Nikola Jokicic.
This was Michael Malone post game after the Jazz beat
the or sorry, the Nuggets beat the crap out of
the Jazz on Friday night. This is Michael Malone talking
about the half court heave.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Somebody told me a few weeks ago that if Nicola
Jokic didn't shoot those desperation heats, he was leading the
league in three point shooting if he took all those out.
And what you love about him is that he doesn't care.
Right he's going to shoot the ball because he thinks
they're all going in. And I asked him after the game,
I said, when I left your hands, did you think
is going in? He says, actually I did. And we
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all know this. We've gotten spoiled watching him. But the
touch that he has, the shot making ability that he
has is just incredible. But Nicola continues to find ways
to impress, which is really hard to do for a
play with as many accomplishments as he has.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
He's so good. He sometings good that I've been the
last in my hand.
Speaker 9 (31:21):
So for men that shop, and that's basically in this
season's twenty thirty and then made, it's a good percentage
for thinking.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I love his personality. Man.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
So the question is, are we in Denver and the
national media taking Nikola's greatness for granted, Oh man, I
think nationally they do.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I think there's an appreciation for it locally, specifically with
how we sort of think he gets stiffed for MVP Awards.
He probably should have won the one against that be got,
probably should be winning the one again this year, and
I think a large part of that is how effort
list of the game looks to him.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
So I would say that nationally they do. I don't
know about locally.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Well. I would agree that greatness for a lot of
players is taken.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
For granted by fans.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
So yes, even though there's some great friands here in
Denver and they love Nikola Jokic, there is something where
it can be said that you take that for granted.
When you think about a player and how well that
they've been playing. This is like, well, Nikola Jokis goes
out there, You're thinking, Okay, well that's going to be
a triple double. I don't have the bad eye at it,
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but knowing is of that talent only comes around, especially
here in Denver. That's kind of a generation of talent,
and an idea is to love it, enjoy it. Soak
it up as much as you can, because it's not
going to.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Be around for long.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
The same thing to say about all the great John Elways,
Wayne Gretzky, right, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Love these guys up. Appreciate it because what is gone
is gone.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, And and that's the thing I hope, I hope
it isn't wasted on people what they are getting to
witness with the Kolok Broncos, Country Tonight.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
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Speaker 2 (33:17):
I'm Kanu
We got some interesting news out of the owners meetings,
not wholly unexpected in terms of some rules.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The so called tush push has got some.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Support for maybe eliminating it from from various different teams,
probably the ones that can't stop it, and certainly has
some support from the Competition Committee. It's one of those
ones they expect to be hotly contested. There's the quote
coming out of there. And then of course the eighteen
game season thing coming up here, and I don't know
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if that's I don't know if that's going to start
sooner than later, but we do expect that to probably
to probably become a thing eventually once they got the seven,
once they cracked the lid on seventeen, we knew eighteen
was coming.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Let's start with the eighteen game season. As a member
of the NFLPA, what.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Are you saying, Okay, what do you think about what
do you think about the eighteen game season? And how
will the NFL adjustice because I feel like you're gonna
have to put a second bye week in. I feel
like you're going to have to uh. And then then
obviously player salaries will continue to go up. To be
a commiserate with getting that extra game.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, there's a lot of things that's factor into this.
The first thing we always have to think about when
negotiating its conversation what does the conversation look like? And
I can tell you this with the last CBA, they
didn't really account for it. Well when the NFLPA kind
of put this deal together.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
For me, I think it was kind of rushed since.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
The league the ct was winding on their deals as
far as the major broadcast partners. So the one thing
they have to resolve is that part conversation, TV money,
streaming revenue splits, what does that really look like? And
you brought up something which I think is really important
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when you are moving to eighteen games, and I think
it's more likely than not that it will go to
eighteen games, is well, what is that going to look
like for the bodies of the players If you are screaming, well,
you know, it's all about health now, right, And we
understand why that's been a big push by the league
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and the emphasis on health because everything that came out
about mold concussions. So if you're going to do that
knowing as though football is played on Monday, Sundays and
Thursday and every team is playing on a Thursday night game.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So if you implement eighteen games, where does the bidie
we come.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, I think you got to have two. I think
if you're an eighteen game season, you need two bye weeks.
And I've always propositioned that the NFL is doing the
Thursday night games backwards, that there should be a bye
week before the Thursday night game so that you have
the maxim amount of time for the body to recover,
because you're going to get the extra time afterwards. You're
not going to play on Sunday after a Thursday night game, right,
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So for me, it puts those Thursday night games on
kind of an island and allows the body to recover.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So photographer safety. Two bye weeks in a season and.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Then you've got, you know, a bye week before Thursday
night games, and that that sort of even set out.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I think as far as the preseason goes.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You're probably down to two games and maybe a controlled
scrimmage or two. I don't think you're gonna be playing
three preseason games anymore.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
No, we're not.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
And we've seen that change since I played, because it
was four preseason games. Now there's some there's some pros
and cons to minimizing the preseason games. One, you you're
able to get more your work in with joint practices,
and years ago I was totally against it, but I'm
all four because you are able to create more situation.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Of football type of.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Events in practice and you are able to see guys competing.
You can evaluate that more so than more effectively than
the preseason game. And I think that that's kind of
going to be the new direction. But here's the downside
when it comes to finding an am mccare free A
Terrell Davis, A Rod Smith, a Nick Ferguson, it's going
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to be very difficult because we all needed that those
that extra time to showcase what we can do, and
we know in camp, but joint practices, those coaches have
scripts and they want to make sure that guys who
they project as being starters, that those.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Guys receive all of that time. So that's kind of
where the dilemma is to as well.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
But here's the other thing, being you got they have
to take in consideration.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Are the game day rosters are going to increase and.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Are we going to see an increase as far as
the number of guys that you have in a practice
squad because you know, during COVID will change.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, and I think the practice squad has sort of
with the way they do the call ups and everything.
Now it's sort of been a de facto increase in
the roster size, even if you haven't actually gotten.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
An increase in the roster size.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So you're going to have to increase it more if
you're talking about eighteen games.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, right, he's going to have to go more.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
But with all this being.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Said, none of this is gonna change without equal compromise
from the owners. And here's what the owners are going
to want. They already want eighteen games. So this past
CBA lasted ten years. They're gonna want the same amount
ten years or even more of peace. So just in
case they think of some other things they want to
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throw in there as revenue drivers for them, they benefit
from that and not the players.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Right, And they'll benefit from the additional revenue in the
broadcast rights deal with the additional games.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
The amount of money that they make per game inside
the stadium really pales in comparison to all that, so
that you know, that's one of those things I think
people are like Oh, well, they're gonna get a revenue
from yeah, I mean you get a little stadium revenue
and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
But the reality is your real money comes off the
broadcast deals. That's what the body is.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And this is where the players are gonna have to
be a little more stern than they were the last CBA.
Knowing as though this collective brought in agreement runs out
into in twenty twenty seven, the league is already going
to start to negotiate with his broadcasting partners. So we
know how the league works. They see they get cash
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on delivery. As soon as you sign contract, money's in
the account. It's not one of these things, well you
know what, pay us later. No, no, no, we want money now.
We don't care if people don't watch the games. You
want to broadcast, CBS, ESPN, NBC.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
YouTube, whatever you pay us now.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
So the players should be able to say that in
that regard, okay, says you're looking to do that cash
in right away, we need you to make a couple
of concessions where we need to change some of the
benefits to better benefits for former players and current players.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
See, that's where the rubb is going to meet the road, and.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
The problem is uniting everybody because the current players don't
think about being former players someday, and the former players
are sitting there like, hey, you know, you're gonna want.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
To think about this.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
The concessions that that that that the players gave up
in the last c BAH, I was kind of scratching
my head.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It felt like the owners won that thing and that
was right they did.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And that was one of those ones where I was like, man,
you guys had so much leverage, you just kind of
gave it away here, you know, in this in this
you know why in this setup.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Because guys didn't want to get suspended for weed. Yeah,
oh you know what, and they would and they wouldn't given.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
That up anyway. The owners would have given that one
up at yes, And.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
It's like, you know, thinking long term, you're right, grant
that that's what they wanted to do. That recreation of
fun was a little more important than protecting their overall
well being in themselves and their brothers.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Because we know there's a top.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
One percent of guys who are gonna make the max
amount of money. What are you gonna do by those
other guys who are contributing on the roster who are
not making that same amount of money.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I mean, you got to look out for those guys too.
Those are your brothers.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, And and that's the thing, it's it's you know,
it'll be interesting to see how that and that's coming
up here fairly so an the other news come out
of there, the toush push that they're they're looking at
banning that. And I said this on Twitter, and I
want to clarify I am against banning a specific play.
I hate the idea of banning a play because nobody
can stop it. I am for conceptually banning, you know,
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outside people pushing people forward on offense because you've banned.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It on defense. Can't push guys, can't leap over the
pile on defense. So what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
That is not a fair playing field when it comes
to this stuff we talk about, you know, player safety
and all that. Man that that play in and of itself,
I'm not sure is the safest.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Play in the world.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
If if you're going to ban something, then you need
to ban everybody being able to push the ball carrier forward.
You can't just come out and ban a play because
nobody can stop it.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Well, let's think of a step further.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Since we're thinking about banning, or suggests the Nahoul ban
being able to push a player forward, how about carrying
a player, Because there's been games.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Where where I know for sure I've seen.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
A ball carrier actually carried a couple of yards to
a first down.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, I don't like that either.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I don't like the I don't like allowing outside assistance
on a ball carrier, whether that's pulling, pushing, carrying, swaddling,
whatever it is that we're doing.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
And for me, by all my accounts, and you can
correct me from wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
When he came to the touch push by the Philadelphia Eagles,
they didn't really have another guy like win Aiding, you know,
Jalen Hurts to get him across. It was very strategic
by what they did. They looked at the defensive line
and they look where the gap was right and then
usually it was under his discretion find open gap, put
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the ball ahead. Now, if someone were to scream in
the competition committee, and I know Rich McKay's over the
Competition committee that injuries. We haven't seen an injury until
the Super Bowl where Chris Jones, someone injured his neck
in the Super Bowl and he had to leave. But
that was not because of the play that was neelegent
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on the Chiefs behalf, because Chris Jones took a slanted
approach to allow Nick Boden to push him into that situation.
So I've never seen a guy injured by the tish push,
have you?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I have not, not that I can recall, so you know,
not off the top of my head, I don't recall
an injury from that. But it just feels like that
that's asking for the way to stop it is going
to get defensive players hurt, because you know the way
to stop that.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You got a line up a zero.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
You gotta put two guys in both a gaps like that,
and then you're gonna have to push through, right, you
have to get loan and pushed through, and that's the
only way you're ever gonna be able to stop that play, right,
And the minute you do, you're giving up the jump
pass when you do.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
But that's beside the point.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So if the only way to stop it is to
put guys at risk of being injured, then we have
a problem.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Right for me, this is, in my opinion, my humble opinion,
it is lazy coaching because you have not figured out
a way to stop it. We've seen other teams trying
to tempt the same type of things, but they haven't
been as effective.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
When you think about Kellen Moore, right, Kellen Moore is
now a head.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Coach of the NFL team, why because he was part
of the Philadelphia Eagles the brain trust, right, and he
was a benefactor of the tush push right. Uh, you
look at the coat's head coach, Yeah, change stiking. How
did he get there? Ye, same thing the Arizona car News.
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You know again, how did he get to?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I mean he defensive the ball offense that got that
right exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
So those coaches change stiking, Jonathan Gannet, all those guys
have to vote for this because you got your head
coaching jobs because.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Of that freaking play.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Maybe you're trying to block other people forget it. That's
what Sean mccartmott had to say.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Stove deeper into more of the data on it, and
you know, just thought more about it as well. And
my my position hasn't really changed at all. You know,
I feel where I'm most concerned is, uh, even though
there's not significant data out there to this point, My
my biggest concern is the health and safety of the players.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And it's two things.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
It's it's force added force number one and then the
posture of the players, you know, being asked to execute
that type of play. Uh, that's where that's where my
concern comes in. So I think that's a it's a
loose term really in terms of what what defines a
push push So uh, you know, so there's there's different
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forms of it out there. I know we are one
of the teams that people identify that run it.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Uh, that's fair.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
You know, there's other teams as well. So I just look,
we're gonna we're gonna always act in a way that's
best for the health and safety of the players and
and I think that's the responsible way to go.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Sean McDermott and his thoughts on the Tousche push, which
sort of echoes what I said conceptually, you have to
you have to ban outside assistance moving the ball carrier forward,
because how are you defining this and what you know,
if we say we're banning the.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Toush push, well then what specifically are we banning here?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And are we putting more on referees plates that they
have to adjudicate in a game when they've already got
so much.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, very true.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
It's almost like, you know, remember a couple of years
ago when the Saints were in the playoffs against the
Minnesota Vikings and Kyle Rudolph pushed.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Off and you know, Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Everyone was irate about that particular play, which they were
well within it right because it was a push off
in a full extension of the elbow in the arm,
as the rules say that you cannot do. But then
what they did the NFL to kind of get coaches
out of calling, you know, throwing red challenge flags for
past interference, was to said, we're going to implement a
(13:58):
rule in pass in aference.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Now if you you can challenge the call.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
But most of the coaches that challenge the call lost,
so you burn.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
The time out.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So it was like, should I should? I know what
my eyes are telling me. I know I should throw it,
But if I throw it, then they're gonna take the
time out away from me, So I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
So what the league and.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
It actually did was saying, well, since no one was
really throwing the challenge flags, they were gonna do ahead
with Doway with the rule so they just find ways
to serve event these rules. And this is just kind
of really ridiculous because Chrum McDermott and the Bills they
attempted it. So if you didn't think the play was
that you know, successful, and you had a problem with
it as far as players being injured, why would you
(14:40):
implement it for Josh Allen?
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Then why would you do it?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Well, that's the thing I think everybody's tried, and they did.
They tried it with with Josh Ally, didn't do it
exactly work the way? Yeah, because they haven't figured out
the leveraging concepts here. A lot of this is the
brilliant sugeft Stotland, who's the offensive flying coach the Eagles
and uh and the leveraging that you know that he
is that he is coaching to this guy.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I don't think that it's it's a late play. I
don't think it's lazy coaching.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I think if you got something that works, you do
it until somebody takes it away from you.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I got nothing against the Eagles doing this.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
What I'm asking is is this good for the game,
And if it's not, is it good for the game
order for the game to keep it or to get
rid of it.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Either way, is it good for the game the game.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
It's good for the.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Game to keep the play because it is the expansion
and the evolution of the game. How many evolutions that
we've seen of offensive plays. We had the tackles overplay,
we had guys doing the wildcat. We had so many
evolutions to creative plays that most of them was to
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come from college football.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, well, then innovation starts at the ground level.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
The wildcat came from high school because Melson running it
in high school, right, and.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
They didn't want it.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
They didn't There were a lot of stubborn coaches that
did not want to adopt a lot of collegiate plays.
But it isn't in the in the game now. He
and Sean McDermott talking about, you know, when we took
let which the only thing is is those offensive linemen.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Are getting low.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
An idea is the low man wins.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And that's the one thing that's happening because what do
we say, when they played the Washington Commanders, we saw
linebackers diving over the top because they knew that when
those when those linemen would launch out, they're cutting the
legs of those interior linemen, so they're cutting them out.
So to me, there's nothing wrong with the play. If
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they can't come up definitively with an idea of saying, well,
here's what's wrong with the play, then we know the
only reason they're trying to block it is because there's
so many coaches whining and complaining that they can't stop it.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, I'm with you on that, and like you know,
with these other concepts, coaches have figured it out over time. Right,
the Wildcat was a flash in the pan in the
NFL because.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
He eventually got figured out. But it started the high
school level. Gus malsambrun at to Arkansas. They ran it
with Are mcfadd and Philly S Jones. David Lee was
on the staff there.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
He took it to Miami when they went to Miami,
and then we saw Roddy Brown run it against.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
The But then you know, they figured it out.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So either they got to figure it out with the
Toush push or we're gonna have to figure something out.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Lame lazy.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
We got an NFL six pack though, when we.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Come back, Hey, hey, the push push sitting here shouting
expletives towards Luca Dodgic stipped by one free throw.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I'm not bitter? Is what you need? What's it? A
drink like a whole six pack? It's time for the
NFL six pack.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I'm going to drink a lot of beer.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Insight and inside information you can't find anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
No.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Six the top six NFL headlines what.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
Well? Starting with your favorite story. Coming out of the
owner's meetings today, Ben Broncos owner Greg Penner says that
they are still continuing our diligence on a new stadium.
As I mentioned before, he said it's complex, but he
is keeping the team's options open.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Penner noted that a.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
Dome or a retractable roof is under consideration, which would
allow the team to host big national events like the
Final Four.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
How do you feel about this one? Then? No dome? No,
I would rather not host to those events than have
a dome. You like Buffalo?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Buffalo has got.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
An open air stadium, but they've extended the roof to
such a degree that if Buffalo could do an open
air stadium. Of Denver Broncos could do an open air stadium.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Dude, dome foot plays the worst?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Have you like?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Come on, man, you know the vibe is different inside
the dome. It sucks, it sucks.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Whatever, Man, you know I'm wrong. Whatever, No, you're not right.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I'm so correct.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
No, you are so wrong because once again this thing
from a business perspective, come from a fan perspective, business
perspective where dollars makes sense, and the Pinners didn't get
to this point by thinking think about like small dollars,
you think big dog. When you're able to have a dome,
(19:03):
you can keep it open during the football season, so
you make.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
The home Broncos country happy.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
But in an offseason, when the stadium is not being used,
you close that mug.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
You having concerts and everything up in that piece.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Now that's going to probably challenge Red Rocks a little
as far as them holding concerts, maybe not as much,
but still it opens everything for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Now you can host a couple of things that you
couldn't host before. So I'm about and I would think
that you'd be a little different. I'm about more money,
more money, more money.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
No, I'm about the better experience when I'm at the stadium.
I'm a consumer. And the Panthers got where they were
by rolling back prices. Maybe they need to roll back
that idea of a dome to do it open air, no.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Nice Wallmart reference there.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Selfishly, I'm a fan for those concerts during the winter weeks.
You get seventy five thousand people in there for a
big name and I'm forgetting to go to the March
Madness Games here in Denver. How cool would it be
to go to a final four aur Hole City two? Well,
speaking of the final four, it's all chock just sound.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Nick Ferguson likes it.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Four number one seeds in the men's final four the
first time since two thousand and eight. You've got Auburn, Florida,
Houston and Duke. Who do you like winning the whole thing?
And what was your favorite game of this past weekend
with the Sweet sixteen and Elite eight?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Well, not surprising to find out that Nick wanted that
his favorite candy is those little ant acids with the
with the hearts with the writings on them all chalk.
So you know, as far as the final four goes,
the office pool comes down.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
To myself, Ryan Edwards, Dave Tepper.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And Tony Manis. If Houston wins out, Tony's gonna win.
If Houston beats Duke and Florida beats Auburn, I'll win
if Duke beats Houston. It comes down to Ryan or Tepper,
just depending on who wins the championship game, whether it's
Florida Tepper wins or if it's Duke, Ryan wins. It's
a lot of in league around the office. But I
(21:02):
don't know favorite game. I guess I liked the way
Arizona and Arizona.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Dude, game was fun.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He though Duke got out to the lead, Arizona was
clawing their way back in. My least favorite would have
been the game that Arkansas choked away against Texas Tech.
You're still better about that? Still salty? I can't tell.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
Yeah, Well, for me, you know those games with Houston
and how they've been playing, and for me, I would
say it's.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
An extra invested interest.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Well, I had a chance to interview Master Pe and
his son is a freshman on that team, so watching
him as a parent kind of relish and something that
his son is going through that he himself dreamed of
and living vicariously through his son.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
To me, I think that's rather cool.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
But this past weekend I enjoyed that Florida Texas Tech game.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
That was a pretty good guy.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
If they lose, is he gonna make them say?
Speaker 7 (22:03):
My favorite game of the weekend was that one as well,
Texas Tech versus or Florida. But anyone that unseats Ben
atop the March Madness poll in the office bracket, that
is who I'm rooting for this A.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well, then you are rooting for an Auburn duke orly
are you rooting for duke to win? At least I
guess I'll have to bite the bullet on the.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
Yep free And a little more serious news, armed robbers
break into Richard Sherman's home with his family inside. His
wife has posted the videos of the armed robbers, and man,
this stuff looks terrifying, Richard Sherman said, house being robbed
at gunpoint with my family in it isn't what anyone.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Wants for a birthday.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Get scary situation that my wife handled masterfully and kept
my kids safe. If anyone has any info that can
help find these people, please reach out and quote from
Richard Sherman, man, do you know any more information about.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
This scary story? Ben?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I mean, I don't have any inditional information other than
what is out there. Kudos on the wife keeping herself
and the kids safe through that. I hope they find
who did it. They came it was they what three
of them. They came in through the window, which is
interesting to me, you know, like the way that they
came through the window, which you know was open, there
was a screen in there, suggested that they knew that
(23:25):
was going to be the case. So that that that
kind of you know, perked me up a little bit.
But yeah, I hoping they get justice on that. Kudles
from the family for h you know, for keeping the
family safe, and I hope they figure out.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Who it was.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, that was a tough thing to see because obviously
I coached Richard as a member of the forty nine
ers coaching staff, and I had a chance to you know,
meet his wife and his wonderful family. So that's a
scary moment for for something like that to happen, whether
you were at home or you have to watch on
video as someone breaks into your house and your family
(24:02):
has to go to another room to.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Just kind of secure themselves.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Hopefully this video allows them to track down the sailings,
but it's it's definitely a scary time. So definitely be
careful out there, because I mean.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
We've seen Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, and.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Travis Kelsey Holmes were broken into last year. So these
criminals are getting really frisky.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Yeah, a lot of high profile athletes that maybe these
criminals are kind of figuring out their schedules and taking
advantage of that.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
That's why I just tell everybody I live with Grant
Smith so that I never have to worry about it, and.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
There's nothing you want to steal in my head.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Well, they're terrified if they're terrified of break it in
and being there life.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Being the fury of the mustard a lot for they
don't take it for granted.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
They don't And that'll tie nicely into our last topic.
But for number four, the Cleveland Browns are finally acknowledging
what NFL putits and fans alike. I've known for quite
some time now. The Deshaun Watson trade and signing was
a huge mistake.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
This is an owner of the Browns.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Haslam said, we took a big swing and missed with DeShawn.
We thought we had our quarterback, we didn't, and we
gave up a lot of draft picks to get him.
So we've got to dig ourselves out of that hole.
The trade was an entire organization decision and it ends
with D and I, so hold us accountable. Do you
remember a bigger swing and miss, in the words of
(25:31):
Jimmy Haslam as a trade or signing in any professional
sports league than Deshaun Watson?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Oh, man, I don't know if Albert Hainsworth was bigger,
but that, you know, I mean literally bigger.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
But that was pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
The herschel Walker trade back in the day was pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You gotta put the Russ trade up there when all
said and gone, although you know, I mean, I don't
think either side really got it that much better than
the other out of that one. I'm trying to think
of just a lopsided trade far as this stuff goes,
and that one that I could think of off.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
The top of my head.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I mean, you mentioned it herschel Walker.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
That was a blockbuster trade that kind of sent two
franchising franchises going into entirely different directions. You look at
what happened to Minnesota, but more importantly, you look at
what happened to the Dallas Cowboys. You know, they stood
to gain so much draft capital and allowed them to
make their team much better and think about what Jimmy
(26:27):
Johnson was able to do and then carry over and
hand it off to Barry Switzer to win a super
Bowl with Jimmy Johnson type of players. So for me,
that would probably be the biggest trade of all that
worked for one team, didn't work for another.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
What can the Browns get out of this Deshaun Watson
contract at all?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Not right now? They can't after the season, and that's
part of what they've been doing is accelerating the money,
trying to you know, try to get it through year
to year and get it get it to a point
where it's manageable.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I think it's it's funny.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I think it's hilarious that he said that while DeShawn
is definitely he's still going to be a member of
the Browns this year, right like you know, they're just.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Gonna deactivate him for every game.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
That's certainly something where you're you're sitting there just you
know your quarterback that you is your highest paid employee,
and you're sitting there telling him it was a giant
mistake and he's got to be there all year.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
You can't afford to trade him.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Well, once again, you're eating the cost anyway. Why push
him out there when you know you don't want him
to be out there anyway, So draft another guy, develop
another guy, and then move.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
The hell on five. Speaking of someone who didn't want
to be out there, we talked about Kyle Freeland and
Bud Black on the Rockies opening day and how he
got pulled after six scoreless innings. I mentioned Kyle Freeland's
comments earlier.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And I found them, so I'd love to get your
take on them.
Speaker 9 (27:48):
It was only a second time that I touched the
six inning this year, so you know, I know, I
know the pitchcown was low, but you also got to
think about the opt downs the innings. So on the
second time I've touched the six this year, so a conversation,
I told him I was getting a little winded when
you know that, Like I said in the past, that's
you got to have a good report to your manager
and let them know how you're feeling and what you
(28:09):
want to do.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
What are your thoughts on the hometown hero Kyle Freeland
pulling himself after six innings and his first start.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Of the season for the Rockies and The innings don't matter,
the updowns don't matter.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
It's the pitch count that batters.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
So I don't know if Kyle Freeland has a psychological
block about going in for the seventh, but that was stupid.
As far as the rest of it goes, it sounds
like he's covered for Bud. I mean, you were sixty
seven pitches. If you were winded and pulling at Anthony Richardson, you.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I don't know what tell you that's your conditioning. That's
the problem. Sixty seven pitches is nothing, even even today.
Sixty seven pitches is nothing. When when the average pitch
count first starters eighty plus pitches, not ninety or one
hundred like.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It used to be. But eighty plus, you know, you're
your twenty pitches Like that's a that's another full inning
of work. Mean, that's just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I am there in disbelief at that comment.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Ben.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Let me ask you this question, how many pictures have
you ever thrown in a major league baseball game?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I am not a major league ball player exactly right.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
So I respect the fact that Kyle Frielan is telling
his skipper, hey man I'm a little winded, and you know,
I'm gonna go ahead, and whether he pulled himself out
of but Black decided, you know what, you wind it,
We're gonna We're gonna.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Check you out. Because here's what I know.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
What happens when you get tired and you are playing
or competing in any competitive sport. What happens is injuries
or there's a hamstring. In this case, it's it could
be a shoulder. And how many pictures that we've seen
over the past couple of years have shoulders surgery or.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Dare I say, Tommy Johns, you don't want that?
Speaker 3 (29:48):
And then everyone would have been up in arms yelling
the scream man. But Black should have taken him out
when shut the hell up.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
He did the right thing.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
The player knew that someone that he was exhaust.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
To me, you protect the player always.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
To me, you felt like the player was protecting his
ra sick. I hate to agree with Ben, but this
feels nice being on the right sidele once, doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
Every once in a while and always on the right
side of greatness. Just a little moment to appreciate Nikola Jokicic.
This was Michael Malone post game after the Jazz beat
the or sorry, the Nuggets beat the crap out of
the Jazz on Friday night. This is Michael Malone talking
about the half court heave.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Somebody told me a few weeks ago that if Nicola
Jokic didn't shoot those desperation heats, he was leading the
league in three point shooting if he took all those out.
And what you love about him is that he doesn't care.
Right he's going to shoot the ball because he thinks
they're all going in. And I asked him after the game,
I said, when I left your hands, did you think
is going in? He says, actually I did. And we
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all know this. We've gotten spoiled watching him. But the
touch that he has, the shot making ability that he
has is just incredible. But Nicola continues to find ways
to impress, which is really hard to do for a
play with as many accomplishments as he has.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
He's so good. He sometings good that I've been the
last in my hand.
Speaker 9 (31:21):
So for men that shop, and that's basically in this
season's twenty thirty and then made, it's a good percentage
for thinking.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I love his personality. Man.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
So the question is, are we in Denver and the
national media taking Nikola's greatness for granted, Oh man, I
think nationally they do.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I think there's an appreciation for it locally, specifically with
how we sort of think he gets stiffed for MVP Awards.
He probably should have won the one against that be got,
probably should be winning the one again this year, and
I think a large part of that is how effort
list of the game looks to him.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
So I would say that nationally they do. I don't
know about locally.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Well. I would agree that greatness for a lot of
players is taken.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
For granted by fans.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
So yes, even though there's some great friands here in
Denver and they love Nikola Jokic, there is something where
it can be said that you take that for granted.
When you think about a player and how well that
they've been playing. This is like, well, Nikola Jokis goes
out there, You're thinking, Okay, well that's going to be
a triple double. I don't have the bad eye at it,
(32:37):
but knowing is of that talent only comes around, especially
here in Denver. That's kind of a generation of talent,
and an idea is to love it, enjoy it. Soak
it up as much as you can, because it's not
going to.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Be around for long.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
The same thing to say about all the great John Elways,
Wayne Gretzky, right, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Love these guys up. Appreciate it because what is gone
is gone.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, And and that's the thing I hope, I hope
it isn't wasted on people what they are getting to
witness with the Kolok Broncos, Country Tonight.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Pull Me Back, Aire's the society living man.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
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