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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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It without further ado.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Let's get to the big board, all.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Right, Nick, we've got ten running backs or how many
run mix do you have I have ten, I have eight. Okay,
I had ten, So I will do my ten and
nine and then you can you can do your eight
real quick. I have some of these guys have some
people lower than I think a lot of people do.
I have one running back that did not make my
top ten. That is probably a shocker for a lot
of people. Not really a shocker fealer for the show,
but probably a shocker for a lot of people, because
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I think a lot of people regionally have him pretty high.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I do not.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But I'll start with a number ten, and this's R. J.
Harvey out of Central Florida. You know, Harvey's a diam
dynamic skill set guy, a little undersized on the frame,
not really a bell cow guy, not super powerful, but
he's got he's got a little, uh little playmaker ability
to him, little bit of a liability to pass pro.
But he's one of those guys that I think you
can get and sort of he's got the ability to
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be coached up in those.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Kind of things.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And then my number nine was Oli Gordon out of
Oklahoma State.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
A lot of times you caught himself kind of dancing
in the backfield and that that's gonna be that's gonna
be a problem for him. Lincs is still on the
pad level, but physical downhill runner, who's you know, an
early down, short yardage kind of guy. Uh So those
are my my ten and nine. And with that, let's
start with your eight and then I'll go to my eight.
Dylan Sampson from Tennessee. Okay, all right, so I have
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a much higher on him.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Oh okay, right, So when I looked at his game
I started, he kind of stood out. Also, you're taking
account it is in the SEC, so you get somewhat
of an SEC bump based on the D line talent
that you're facing from week to week. Where you when
I break it down, Ben, I broke down each one
of these guys based on the number of tempts that
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they received, the yards, and then I think about the touchdowns.
And he had twenty two touchdowns on the season, which
tells me that he was highly involved in both the
passing and the running game.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, I think he scheme friend said, I'll get no
more on him a little bit later. But you've got
Dylan Sampson out of Tennessee at H. I have Caleb
Johnson of Iowa as my number eight running back.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
And I know people are gonna say, wait a minute,
and don't you like big facts. Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I do.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
But the problem with Caleb Johnson's just kind of good
at everything, but not great at anything. He's got feature
back potential in a power gap scheme, uh, but you
know he's not. He lacks a third gear pass pro
needs to be refined a little bit. He leads with
his shoulder, not a very creative runner, wants to the
laying his clogged it, lacks lateral agility, not really a
pass catcher on the route tree, that kind of stuff.
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So I had him a lot lower than I think
a lot of people do. But my number eight running back,
Caleb Johnson.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, you know what, I was a little conflicted here
between my six and seven. Right, So at seven you've
got I got R. J. Harvey. Yeah, who I had
a ten exactly, and obviously for some of the same
reasons that you hit on. But I still think that
if he goes to the right team and find the
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right talent around him, he could be an intricate part
of someone's offense for sure. So that's who I have
at seven.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Okay, all right, at seven, I have Lequent Allen out
of Syracuse.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I think that if there.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Is anybody who compares favorably to Alvin Kamara in this
drafts LeQuinn Allen.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
He catches the ball.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, now he's like the diet version of I'm not
sitting there trying to say he is Alvin Kamara, but the.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Diet version is he like a zero version.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Or well, coach is better.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But you know he's the diet you know, he's not
quite the full version. He's got some speed limitations, got
caught from behind a couple of times. Uh in acc
play the frames, got some durability questions, didn't really create
against loaded boxes. In fact, he ever his two point
one yards per carry against pitt when they were stacking
their fronts uh. And he used a little work on
his pass pro technique. But he has what I think
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is an intriguing blend of skills that the modern.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Offense is covered.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And he's a sophisticated route runner like he can be
out there one of those choice routes. I think he's
perfect for a third down back early and then maybe
you can give him more work as as you move along.
But he's probably not ever going to be a full
on bell cow guy, but he's one of those guys
that in Sean Payton's offense, this guy fits there. You
can find he could take over the Samashi p ron
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roll or the Javante Games role from last year where
he's that pass catching back.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
He could do those kinds of things well at six.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
For me, I have to go to Texas tag Tage
Brooks five ten, two hundred and thirty pounds, And the
reason why I like him is because when you think
about getting inside the red zone, you go on guys
who can finish runs and guys who could punish defenders.
He's definitely that type of guy. Now, obviously you're not
looking at him and say, well, he's got that game
breaking speed. But for me, I just look at short
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area quickness and just look at the level of explosion.
When you run into other guys and trying to tackle
Tage Brooks, you realize that you know what, you're going
to have to bring all your low body weight to
make you bring him down. And I go back to
a game that he had against the cu Buffs. Right,
they trusted him in pass protection, they also trusted him
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throwing it to leaky passes in the flats, and to me,
that's where you get a lot of value for running backs,
not just running midfield, but inside the red zone when
you could dump it off and check it down to him.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
All right, that was your number six, number six, all right,
number six for me as Damian Martinez from Miami.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, old Martinez.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Out out of Miami's kind of a workhorse back.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Four five.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You know I like him again, this is another guy.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
If you're running a downhill gap scheme, Uh, this is
probably your guy.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Doesn't have real home run speed.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
He can get to the second level, but he's not
breaking away from anybody. Not that he's okay in past
pro but wasn't you know, it wasn't great. Another guy
with the lateral agility that you're kind of like. Well,
but if you if you're running a downhill gap scheme,
this is a guy you can you can use. The
one thing I will say, there's some off field November
twenty twenty three, do you I arrest there? So you
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got to you gotta factor that in. You know, what's
the maturity levels?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Man?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
What's the maturity level?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Come on?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I'm just saying when people talk I'll field with him.
That's what they're referring to as a twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Uh du I rist you are at number five, So.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
My number five guy. I love this guy. I love
his physicality, I love his approach to the game. I
wanted to push him a little a little higher. But Camscatibul, right,
I love watching the way that he plays the game.
If you are a creative coach, not with that old
arcaic mind, but you can think outside of the box,
you can use camp Scatibul in a multitude of different ways.
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Before we started the segment we're talking about running twenty
one personnel. He is one of those guys who he
can step up in and he's got that mentalent where
he can stone that blitzing linebacker. But also if you
want him to put him in one of those wildcat positions,
you can put him in there. He can throw the
ball down the field. I mean he is Camscattibul plays
in iping quarterback a lot better than Timmy Tebow. Right.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
That's not a high article.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I'm just saying, but Tim Tebow was a bona fide
quarterback by a position alon. But that says that camp
Scatabul has some abilities He's physical, and this is when
you talk about having a dog or workhorse type of
running back. He is that guy. He's kind of He's
a mixture of New school but with a with a
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little throwback mentality because you could run lead ISO with him.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I didn't have him at all scantable with somebody is
I am not a fan?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I am not a fan. Hold on, I am not
a fan.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Wait wait, wait. He had six hundred and five yards
in receiving.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yards ten over the last three seasons. His long speed
is poor. He's a four to six five forty guys
pass pros but wildly inconsistent. He gets too elaborate with
the jump cut. That first step is slow. Uh and
that workload raises some durability questions. Man, I like, he's
fun to watch in college, but to me, he's a
role player on the NFL.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
And I'm not the biggest fan.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Okay. So it's crazy how you are talking, Like some
of these draft analysts and scouts talk about like if
a guy doesn't have enough experience, then it's negative words
about him. But if he has a lot of experience
where they gave him a lot of carries and no,
well you know, he's been utilized too much. It's like,
we gotta we gotta pick.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
A side that's a fair that's a fair side.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I'm just I think he's got a little bit of
the way that he runs looks like it's gonna lend
to injury. He runs like the way he writes and
is ground down. You're right, it's going to lead to injuries.
But defensive players was gonna leave the injuries from.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Salven it already has.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Like I am one of those, Like I'm not a
camp's the first step is slow. Again, you're talking about
a guy with ten fumbles in three seasons. Size it's
not tiny.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
He's not tiny.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
He's listed he's five eleven and he's listed it to
two fifteen.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
But that's a high listing.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
He's playing.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Weight was about two to eight. He is not People
compared it to Peyton Hills. He is nothing like Peyton
hillis Peyton hillis with thirty to forty pounds, heavier, ran
the forty you know, two tenths of a second, faster,
stronger better.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You know why the comparison running back? No, No, The
only reason you make that was nothing like comparison is
his level of physicality what he brings to the game,
and how he's a down heel run. Ye, trust me,
Cam's gataboo is the type of running back that you want.
And those goal line and a short decision.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I'm not a fan.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Well, we'll have to we'll table that because we'll come
back to that.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Will be I'm just saying he's nothing. Peyton Hills lined
up at wide receiver. He ran the he caught so well,
like he had the best hands on the team. They
they moved him all over the place. He'd be a
full back, tight end, wide receiver, putt returner like he was.
Peyton Hillis was a better athlete. Four I got doub Five.
Number five is Deilan Samps.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Okay, you got del SAPs a little underside for me.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That's one of those things that I, you know, significantly
understand for for a feuature back. I know he's listed
to a one playing weight was one ninety's another ball
security guy. Lost four fumbles this past year. That's one
of those things that bothered me a little. But uh,
and he can get a little cute at times, but
the rest of the stuff, I mean, he's a dynamic runner.
It transcends scheme elite acceleration, great footwork, and he fits
for either a gapper zone. And so for me, I
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really like Dylan Sampson. That's my number five. Who's your four,
Marion Hampton?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Uh? What are you wrong?
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Too?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Low? Whatever? Martin Hampton, I gotta I gotta a.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Four second quarter second running back drafted, right, I have
most accounts.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Wait, well, first of all, this is this is my
big boar after Martin Hapten. I got him as my
number four. I like his ballance, I like his his
vision when you get him out in space, especially if
he's drafted by the Denver Broncos and you go to
that Alvin Camaro type of offense where you're doing the
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checkdowns in the screenplays. He can hide, then there's a
burst and he still has that that low body power.
So he's my number four.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Okay, well, I think you're way off on that one,
but that's fine.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Ben's Carmelo, Anthony, don't make the world brown number four
for me.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
To put you on Juggins.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Top end speed limitations, a little bit caught from behind
a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Tighten the hips pass pro.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Is inconsistent and productivity dipped against better competition he ran
it up against those you know people he was supposed
to run it up against, but he averaged under four
yards per carrying five different Big Ten matchups this past season,
and I thought there were times where he was maybe
a little two paid that he needs to be a
little bit more decisive. I think if you're a gap
heavy run scheme, you know he's got good vision in
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his running style will shine, but you know you've got
to have the right system for him, and he doesn't
have that breakaway speed after he hits to the second level.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, my number three is Trey vond Henderson out of
the Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's my number three as well.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Okay time all right, So when you look at the
fact that he was splitting carries with Kishawn Jenkins, obviously
he's not gonna have a massive total of yards like
Amari Hampton or asking Jentsy. But when you talk about
giving a guy for opportunities on a perimeter, and he's
going to make you feel good as an officer coordinated
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calling those kind of outside types of plays, and he showed,
especially watching a bowl game against Oregon, he definitely has
that burst one cut, get up field and get vertical
and I remember Barby t former a running back coach
for the Denver Broncos. He loved that about running backs.
One cup, get get vertical, not all that dancing in
the hole. Yeah. I think there's two.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Things about him that bother me, and that's said durability
a little bit of a concern. He miss bolt chunks
about twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, uh with injury.
And then he bounces outside a little bit too quick.
I think when, especially when you get b gap pressure
or a gap pressure, he bounces it outside. Might need
to be you know, might need to trust your inside
landmarks and stick with it. But beyond that, I don't
have too many concerns about him. He's fast, He's got
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great acceleration, He's laterally quick. He'll try it to pass
pro even if his past prosen totally refined. Great vision
at the second level. I love Trevion Henderson. My only
concern is that durable and don't I don't have his medicals.
So what I'm saying is he is a team has
to be sold on his medicals. If you're going to
draft him in the first round, you got to be
completely sold on those medicals. Just based on the fact
that you're running back to his two seasons in college.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Well for number two.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Night Quishawn Jugets. All right, I'm a bigger on him
than I am. I thought I was big.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I love this kid because he reminds me a little
of jamyir Gibbs, who plays running back for the Detroit Lions.
That that whole one cutting burst runs behind his past.
Really well physical guy. He can't catch the ball out
of the backfield, even though when you look at the
fact that he is splitting times with Trevion Henderson, obviously
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he was still able to make himself stand out amongst
the other backs. And I know someone look at his
numbers say well, he doesn't have that many passing pass
receiving yards. Once again, you're splitting time of guy, so
you're splitting a lot. But he's shown that he can
catch the ball out of the backfield. But I just loved
his one cut, vertical man, that burst man on the
second level sensational.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, I already tald about quen Shawn Jenkins, So you know,
I had him a little bit lower than you. But
I think we're both bullish on him, I guess is
probably the best way one, number.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
One, I have two.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I have two guys here, I have two guys left.
I have a number is it number one?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
A one? I don't have a number two.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
One be Sabarian hampton Man, violent finisher, consistently falls forward
through contact that lo of that exceptional leg strength. He's
got core strength. He pushes the pile two to three
yards after initial impact. Natural feel for pressing the line.
A great pad level elite burst would hitting the whole.
I can go on and on reliable hands. The backfield,
he fits a gap power scheme, not really his own guy,
but fits gap physical power protector in the past game.
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We'll stick his nose in there. Great balance, you know,
I love, I love just about everything about it. One
the knocks on him long speed is an elite you know,
get a little too upright at the line of scrimmage sometimes,
but other than that, to me, he profiles like an
absolute monster at the NFL lever bell cow back and
we can get a number one on the other side,
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because that's one b Rocus cut your net backup for this.
Have six sixty nine zeros. The text line, you guys
want to get involved in the conversation. Of course, we're
doing the big board and we were down to pick
number one and on the running backs. And I don't
think it's a surprise to anybody that action Dante is
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both of our numb.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah he is. And for me, he is definitely my
number one because as a guy that played this empty position,
I look at running backs and say, okay, well, how
would this guy have tested me as a safety? But
the defensive units that I play with and asking Genty
is definitely that guy. When you look at yards after contact, right,
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that is so important because some running backs don't finish
their runs. It's like soon as they hit that first
contact wall, they stumble, they fall on the ground. There's
no yards off the contact. But Genty is just one
of those guys. Man. He has great vision, great law,
body power and the short area of quickness and he
definitely has the bursts to run away from guys. Now,
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I mean, does he seem like he is a burner
from a forty perspective, Probably not, But we know some
guys are gamers. As far as running in the game,
it's amazing how fast you run when someone's chasing you.
It's amazing. And when you look at the fact that
he had three hundred and seventy four carries, So naturally
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you think, okay, well, like you said earlier, and which
I don't know based on what you said, why is
your number one? Because that means that with three hundred
and seventy four carries, they used him a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Oh yes, they used him a lot, a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
He was the entire offense, right And someone said, well,
they questioned his level of durability, and I'm like, well,
that should explain it right there.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, they used him. He's fine. I'm not worried about
his durability.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, because they're thinking of, okay, well, they over use
him as boise he gets to the league. He doesn't
have that much tread on his tires. So that's what
some individuals that I've spoken to and talked about. But
when you're averaging seven yards a carry an opposing defense, Ben,
they know you're getting the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, this is I mean these generational talent, elite contact ballace, lead, vision, anticipation, rare,
rare combination of burst and long speed, soft, natural hands.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
He was absolutely a work work horse.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
They used him in pass pro, the pad level, the
leg drive, and you knew what was coming that that's
the thing that poison used to. You knew what was
coming and you still couldn't stop it, and and uh,
you know, I watching him play was a real treat.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I still I still think my guy Bryson daily, Uh,
the quarterback there at Army, but.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
He wants to play running back in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
But he will would play in the NFL. He slot receiver,
running back.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
But look, he's just you know, I I don't think
there's a real weakness to Janty's game. I mean you
could sit there and say, well, maybe there was some
lapses in ball security.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
He was fighting for extra yards, but who doesn't have that.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You talked about the heavy usage already, maybe some load management.
You know, uh what else you gonna pick? You gonna say,
what do you cana say? Patients behind the line. Maybe
maybe it wasn't really as patient as he could have been.
There's really not anything that you can say here that
to pick on him. You pick and choose.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
You're bias because when you talked about Cam's catible, you
were talking about, you know, his ability to hold onto
the ball and the number of fumble. Yeah, when you
talked about Ason Gentty, you referred to him as well.
He just fighted for extra yards.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
But he didn't have as nearly as many fumbles as
Scatabo had. He's kinda had a lot of them. He
had like ten fumbles over the last three years, Like
he fumbles the ball.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
But that once again, Melvin Gordon scattabow, well, no, I'm
not gonna let you put that on Scoata Borough. But
once again, these are one of the things that you
tell running backs. Once you get into a pile, you
have to focus more on securing the ball instead of
trying to run through someone's face. But with Scatibo, knowing
is oh okay. Well, his mentality, he's got a tough
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gun type of mentality.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Right, and it's gonna lead him to take in Dings
and Dean City. You know, he runs with a physicality
that his size shouldn't have.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And I don't want to take anything away from.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Him because you know, like I just because I don't
personally like and I wouldn't invest in that doesn't mean
that he won't be somewhat successful to the NFL level.
Like he runs physically violently, he just doesn't have the
size to back that up. And it's gonna lead to
it's gonna lead to density. You know where the thing
that I most is you know in Samashi, Pee Ride's bigger, stronger,
and faster than Sctable. That's why I compare him to
He's a guy who catches the ball well out of
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the backfield. Could be a third down guy. But if
you make him a feature back, the way that he
runs is going to grind him down. And you saw
a pe righte when pee Aydams was a starter for
Cincinnati or Kansas City. He would start off with like
one hundred and twenty car one hundred yard game, and
then the second game you'd have a fifteen yard game
and he just wasn't he was right, and by the
third game he was worn down. He just runs with
a violent style that is not good for bulk carries
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over multiple games.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
This is where how you save running backs not named
Camscatable and even Cams Kettible. It depends on how you
deploy them and use their skill set. Because there's some
coaches who are not running the ball as OC's well.
They want you want the running back to run through
the teeth of the defense constantly, which makes absolutely no
sense to me to me, they're less defenders numerically on
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the outside of the perimeter right to run outside. Like
you were saying, well, Trivion Henderson, the one thing that
that bothers you about him, he would bounce it out. Okay,
So I'm okay with that because once again, that means
that you're using field vision and then it's clogged up.
You have the speed and ability to make that balance
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because a lot of guys can't even see that.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, but if you're in soul and your pathing has
got to be on that tackles heels as as you're
running that, you got to stay on that tackles heels
to string that that out so that you can make
the cut back from the crease. Otherwise they're gonna know
you go to the outside, those defenders are gonna overrun
the tackle to the outside and go.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
To come get you. Well see once again, this this
is where you a good running back coach and scheme
will be able to use that skill set, right because
you're looking at the Scotand report and said, Okay, here's
a guy who loves to bounce outside, so now you
set them up.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, and I'm with that. I'm not trying to take it.
I'm just saying it's just something I noticed. I'm like, man,
there's sometimes you just gotta trust that blocking. It might
not be there, but string that play out, you gotta.
You gotta hang It's like it's like a you ever
watch an option quarterback and they get they.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Make the decision too quick, they'll.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
String it out long enough, kind of the same thing.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I'm like, but you gotta hang on to it and
get that defensive defensive end to commit. Once you've got
your key player to commit. Dan you could do, but
you gotta string it out a little bit. Or a
guy who makes the pitch too quick and gets his
back snuffed in the backfield. Well, I tell you when
my first year playing, that's what it was. The running
back was a senior came.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Over and let me know about it. You know, he's like,
you gotta stream that out.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
If you just stand there and he pitched that balls
quick as you do, he's gonna tee off on me.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You know what that reminds me of. It reminds me
of my early days in New York with Parcels and
Maurice Carton was the running backs coach, and it's like
one of those things that would kind of really boil
his tea kettle over. Because it's a play you're trying
to set up. The running back has to be patient,
and when you get younger running backs, they're so used to.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Getting it and going that's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Can you have enough patience to set up the play?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Perfect example that is you remember Michael Pittman.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yes, so Michael Pittman when he was down in Tampa
that Gruden would get so mad because he was like,
these guy's oldestpeed in the world. He overruns his blocking.
He doesn't have enough patients so at the blocking setup
and then by the time he got to Denver had
figured it out like I gotta take us, I gotta
slow it down.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Just a little bit, let the blocking set.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Up in take off.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
And that's what it is young.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
That's that's one of those biggest pet peeves of young
running backs that especially speedy guys, they are not patient.
The athlete did everybody in college and they don't have
the presence to let the blocking set up.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Well, that's what made Le'Veon Bell so dangerous right when
he was in his prime, was his patients develop in
front of him.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
He was the epitome of that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
He was the guy that was so good and so
patient and letting that and then violently take in It
didn't hurt that he was two hundred and thirty five
pounds and you know and rocked up, you know, you know,
so there on top of it. But he was He
was the perfect epitome of the guy who did have
the vision. Whereas he had guys like and you we've
talked remembers, take them back, Quinn Riffin, guys that needed
to develop that vision and right have it right off
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the bat. When they got to the league, they were
just faster than everybody. And then it took a little
while for them to kind of figure that out well
because in college football and in high school they were
always taught, okay, you got.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
To get from point A to point the fastest guy
on the field did. So they get to the league
and they have that same mentality, how quickly can I
get to the outside not knowing Okay, well, if you
get to this point before you're blocking, you didn't set
it up. You're gonna make it easier for them to tackle.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
There's gonna be no tackle out there in front of
you or full back if you're doing lead, but there's
gonna be nobody out in front of you to take
go on that blocker, and you're gonna need a linebacker.
You'd have, you know, Patrick Queen sitting right there, ready
to ready to blow your world.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
And that's why in Tatum's rookie year, Alex Gibbs he
used to tow him out right because now you go
from like Clint Porters right to Mike Anderson and then
you go in to Tatum Belle and Mike was really
patient because Mike didn't have that speed, so he wants
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to allow it to set up. And Clinton had that
first issue when he first got here. He was a
fast guy, had to slow it down. Fast guy learn
how to shlow down. So a lot of these young
running backs, it's patient. But you know, asking Jens, he
is a hell of a running back. And I know
some criticize him once again said okay, well he's not
an all around back because the number of reception yards
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out of the backshield. But I'm like, well, the way
that boys he was using him, they didn't need to
really throw it to him. They just handed to him.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, that's what you just hear. Make something happen.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
The voise he playbook was give the ball to Jay,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Fake, give it to then throw it after he has
run out.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Now, I will say this, Now, it does bother me
looking at some of these mock drafts and they have
aston gents going to the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I think that's where he's gonna want that.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That bothers me.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I think that's where he's gonna wind up. Man, I
do I believe I'll be there.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I agree with you, Ben, Why wouldn't they take them?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I've been I've been on that for since before the combine.
In fact, we sat our booths at the comb run
and I were at there. Our booth was across from
our good buddy, Vidie bo Signori, works for the works
for the paper out there in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And that's all we were talking about, was that.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The the other guys there were like, we don't want Chanty.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I'm like, you.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Don't want Ashton Chanty, a generational running back.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
We don't want you to have Ashton Chanty. I just
look at his running style. And if you Pete Carroll,
you're saying, look, I mean, here's a miniature version of
Marshawn Lynch. If you wanted to look at it that way, right,
A guy who is who was punishing a guy that
you could say with Gino, you can get the early
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lead and you can hold on to the lead because
guess what, We're gonna grind teams down with that running game. Yeah,
and keeps.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
You know, Pete Carroll is gonna want to run the football.
You know, Chim Kelly is gonna want to run the football.
And so that's you know, that combination there with the Raiders.
I would not be surprised if they double dipped on
running back. I would not be surprised if they if
Chanty was their future guy and they added another one
on top of it, and the Raiders all of a
sudden try to become a power run football team. They'll
put a little fly sweep in there and that kind
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of stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
One of those Ohio State guys.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, but you wouldn't Judkins. You know, you put Chanty
and Judkins back there. It's the j J B.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And all of a sudden, the Raiders are you know,
the Raiders are tough tough out again.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I'm starting to get worried about the Raiders. I am too, man.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Pete Carroll's a good coach.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
You get Geno, I mean, I'm better than ain't o'c connell. Right,
they're upgrade at that position. Brock Bauers another year in
the system, they get a couple of wide receivers. Man,
they're going to be dangerous.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, And that's that's the other part of that is,
you know, once once they get the once they get
the rest of that figured out. You know, there's been
some people that think that they should draft shoul Door
to learn for a year behind Geno and that kind
of stuff. I don't know if that's if that's a
direction that they I think they want to go.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I think they want to be competitive right away.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And I think Pete Carroll wants to be competitive right
away because he recognizes his agent knows that he doesn't
have the kind of time to sit there and you know,
and and really wait on something to get there.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
He's got to he's got to hit the ground running there.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
But they've got I mean, they've got some players, you know,
the offensive side of the ball. They've got to get
some receivers that that is. They got Myers and that's
really kind of the only receiver they've got. I do
like him Trey Tucker's got a little speed, but you
know Bowers is the guy. They went out and they
added Raheem Monster.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
You knows.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I mean, maybe that's your fly sweep guy, but I
mean to me, they got nobody else behind him since
heer McCormick. They'll loud Chris Klie or Isaiah Spiller and
Sameer White that that's a bunch of nobodies.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
You got a draft chances he.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Was Rahiem he was. I was with the forty nine
ers when he was there, and he was just kind
of making his mark coming from the special team's gunner
position to being a running back. Now, he does definitely
has some juice if you get him on the edge.
I mean, we saw him when they played against the Broncos.
Remember that that ill faded seventy point game. Yeah, we
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saw him work his magic and being as though he's
played with Kyle Shanahan, he learned how to be patient
Bible turning to be in his running back coach. But
when you look at the Raiders, they have nine picks
they then they had in round one. They're picking six,
Round two thirty seven, Roalm three sixty eight, So I
can see them taking two running backs, because letting that
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be their type of identity. If you're running the ball effectively,
play action to Bauer, play action, and then you're then
you think about your defense, they're they're well rested. Yeah,
and then now you talk about unleashing Max Crosby. Yeah,
well rested Max Crosby.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, that's that And it worries me.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I mean that that to me, like there's there's people
that for whatever reason, don't believe that they'll take Chancey
And I'm like, man, that's been the easiest one to
write in. I think for the last couple of months,
just just watching this thing. And with the picks that
they've got, they can get some receivers down the line too,
you know that that's another thing. You can get running backs,
you can get receivers a little later, and then they
can start working on the defensive side of the ball
after that. I mean, uh, they still have Christian Wilkins
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coming back back to Crosby the other side of that
line's not all that great. But you know, they went
out got Devin White to put him at the will
you know, and they added Jeremy Chann at the safety position. Man,
they I don't know, Man, Raiders might be a little better.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
We think, well, here's what I'm looking for. As far
as the AFC West, we know the f C West
is going to be competitive, right, how competitive? We don't
know it's going to be a fight to stay out
of the bottom. Als say that, and looking at the
Chargers and looking at the Raiders, and this even before
the draft have taken place or whatever. These are not
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going to be your pushover teams like before. Right that
the Broncos have kind of struggled winning games against the Raiders,
even though the Raiders have been somewhat on on a
downward trend. But things have just got a little more
exciting in the AFC West if you ask me.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, it's gonna be tough, real quick. One to get
to a couple of things here. Joe Milton to the
Cowboys on a trade. I don't think that affects Dak
Prescott at all, obviously, But with Sean.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
McCoy, no, he said, he said, I forget what NFL
show he's on, but he said that Dak Prescott better
find a realtor because Joe Milton can play.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I'm not saying that Joe can't play, but Dak Prescott
owed like hundreds of millions of dollars, Like they literally
can't get rid of Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
See, that's an epitome of saying something stupid with the
idea of getting traction on it. There's no way that
makes sense, Like you said, I mean, Dallas has invested
too much in Dak Prescott. And if Joe Milton was
going to take someone's job, he would have done it
by now, don't you think. Yeah, I mean well, I
mean he was Mills got a strong arm. He played
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
But I man, that seems I'm trying to think of
the right way to say. That seems awfully ridiculous. Me
a stupid Yeah, that seemed to all due respect to
Shady McCoy, that seems unrealistic.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
One of my favorite running backs of all time.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
But man, he joined the ball with one hand and
a loaf of bread. He always And they finally animated
it in Madden, by the way, like when he was
carrying carry it with one hand like that, and I
was just like, oh my god, so frustrating.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I gotta be frustrating for running backs.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Denniston for winning the second pair of tickets Rock Pile
tickets for opening day tomorrow. It'll be fun, you guys,
have some fun out there. It's gonna be a little cold.
We're gonna be a little cold out there at the
See Pro Day, but.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
We'll make it work.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Five six, six nine year olds the text line and
have you guys wrot book?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Before we get to the bigoard, have.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You guys seen this? Have you guys seen this? The
Naked Gun?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
They're doing a sequel now, like they're bringing the Naked
Gun movie back.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I just saw the trailer. You said it looks hilarious.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, you got Leam Neeson doing the Leslie Nielsen part
and apparently he's like his son, like Frank Frebn junior
or something. It's anyway, it looked pretty funny from the preview.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I saw.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You guys get a chance to look at it.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Go out there, and they got that trailer online now
you can google it and find.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
It without further ado.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Let's get to the big board, all.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Right, Nick, we've got ten running backs or how many
run mix do you have I have ten, I have eight. Okay,
I had ten, So I will do my ten and
nine and then you can you can do your eight
real quick. I have some of these guys have some
people lower than I think a lot of people do.
I have one running back that did not make my
top ten. That is probably a shocker for a lot
of people. Not really a shocker fealer for the show,
but probably a shocker for a lot of people, because
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I think a lot of people regionally have him pretty high.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I do not.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But I'll start with a number ten, and this's R. J.
Harvey out of Central Florida. You know, Harvey's a diam
dynamic skill set guy, a little undersized on the frame,
not really a bell cow guy, not super powerful, but
he's got he's got a little, uh little playmaker ability
to him, little bit of a liability to pass pro.
But he's one of those guys that I think you
can get and sort of he's got the ability to
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be coached up in those.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Kind of things.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And then my number nine was Oli Gordon out of
Oklahoma State.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
A lot of times you caught himself kind of dancing
in the backfield and that that's gonna be that's gonna
be a problem for him. Lincs is still on the
pad level, but physical downhill runner, who's you know, an
early down, short yardage kind of guy. Uh So those
are my my ten and nine. And with that, let's
start with your eight and then I'll go to my eight.
Dylan Sampson from Tennessee. Okay, all right, so I have
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a much higher on him.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Oh okay, right, So when I looked at his game
I started, he kind of stood out. Also, you're taking
account it is in the SEC, so you get somewhat
of an SEC bump based on the D line talent
that you're facing from week to week. Where you when
I break it down, Ben, I broke down each one
of these guys based on the number of tempts that
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they received, the yards, and then I think about the touchdowns.
And he had twenty two touchdowns on the season, which
tells me that he was highly involved in both the
passing and the running game.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, I think he scheme friend said, I'll get no
more on him a little bit later. But you've got
Dylan Sampson out of Tennessee at H. I have Caleb
Johnson of Iowa as my number eight running back.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
And I know people are gonna say, wait a minute,
and don't you like big facts. Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I do.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
But the problem with Caleb Johnson's just kind of good
at everything, but not great at anything. He's got feature
back potential in a power gap scheme, uh, but you
know he's not. He lacks a third gear pass pro
needs to be refined a little bit. He leads with
his shoulder, not a very creative runner, wants to the
laying his clogged it, lacks lateral agility, not really a
pass catcher on the route tree, that kind of stuff.
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So I had him a lot lower than I think
a lot of people do. But my number eight running back,
Caleb Johnson.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, you know what, I was a little conflicted here
between my six and seven. Right, So at seven you've
got I got R. J. Harvey. Yeah, who I had
a ten exactly, and obviously for some of the same
reasons that you hit on. But I still think that
if he goes to the right team and find the
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right talent around him, he could be an intricate part
of someone's offense for sure. So that's who I have
at seven.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Okay, all right, at seven, I have Lequent Allen out
of Syracuse.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I think that if there.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Is anybody who compares favorably to Alvin Kamara in this
drafts LeQuinn Allen.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
He catches the ball.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, now he's like the diet version of I'm not
sitting there trying to say he is Alvin Kamara, but the.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Diet version is he like a zero version.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Or well, coach is better.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But you know he's the diet you know, he's not
quite the full version. He's got some speed limitations, got
caught from behind a couple of times. Uh in acc
play the frames, got some durability questions, didn't really create
against loaded boxes. In fact, he ever his two point
one yards per carry against pitt when they were stacking
their fronts uh. And he used a little work on
his pass pro technique. But he has what I think
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is an intriguing blend of skills that the modern.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Offense is covered.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And he's a sophisticated route runner like he can be
out there one of those choice routes. I think he's
perfect for a third down back early and then maybe
you can give him more work as as you move along.
But he's probably not ever going to be a full
on bell cow guy, but he's one of those guys
that in Sean Payton's offense, this guy fits there. You
can find he could take over the Samashi p ron
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roll or the Javante Games role from last year where
he's that pass catching back.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
He could do those kinds of things well at six.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
For me, I have to go to Texas tag Tage
Brooks five ten, two hundred and thirty pounds, And the
reason why I like him is because when you think
about getting inside the red zone, you go on guys
who can finish runs and guys who could punish defenders.
He's definitely that type of guy. Now, obviously you're not
looking at him and say, well, he's got that game
breaking speed. But for me, I just look at short
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area quickness and just look at the level of explosion.
When you run into other guys and trying to tackle
Tage Brooks, you realize that you know what, you're going
to have to bring all your low body weight to
make you bring him down. And I go back to
a game that he had against the cu Buffs. Right,
they trusted him in pass protection, they also trusted him
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throwing it to leaky passes in the flats, and to me,
that's where you get a lot of value for running backs,
not just running midfield, but inside the red zone when
you could dump it off and check it down to him.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
All right, that was your number six, number six, all right,
number six for me as Damian Martinez from Miami.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, old Martinez.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Out out of Miami's kind of a workhorse back.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Four five.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You know I like him again, this is another guy.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
If you're running a downhill gap scheme, Uh, this is
probably your guy.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Doesn't have real home run speed.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
He can get to the second level, but he's not
breaking away from anybody. Not that he's okay in past
pro but wasn't you know, it wasn't great. Another guy
with the lateral agility that you're kind of like. Well,
but if you if you're running a downhill gap scheme,
this is a guy you can you can use. The
one thing I will say, there's some off field November
twenty twenty three, do you I arrest there? So you
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got to you gotta factor that in. You know, what's
the maturity levels?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Man?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
What's the maturity level?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Come on?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I'm just saying when people talk I'll field with him.
That's what they're referring to as a twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Uh du I rist you are at number five, So.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
My number five guy. I love this guy. I love
his physicality, I love his approach to the game. I
wanted to push him a little a little higher. But Camscatibul, right,
I love watching the way that he plays the game.
If you are a creative coach, not with that old
arcaic mind, but you can think outside of the box,
you can use camp Scatibul in a multitude of different ways.
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Before we started the segment we're talking about running twenty
one personnel. He is one of those guys who he
can step up in and he's got that mentalent where
he can stone that blitzing linebacker. But also if you
want him to put him in one of those wildcat positions,
you can put him in there. He can throw the
ball down the field. I mean he is Camscattibul plays
in iping quarterback a lot better than Timmy Tebow. Right.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
That's not a high article.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I'm just saying, but Tim Tebow was a bona fide
quarterback by a position alon. But that says that camp
Scatabul has some abilities He's physical, and this is when
you talk about having a dog or workhorse type of
running back. He is that guy. He's kind of He's
a mixture of New school but with a with a
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little throwback mentality because you could run lead ISO with him.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I didn't have him at all scantable with somebody is
I am not a fan?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I am not a fan. Hold on, I am not
a fan.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Wait wait, wait. He had six hundred and five yards
in receiving.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yards ten over the last three seasons. His long speed
is poor. He's a four to six five forty guys
pass pros but wildly inconsistent. He gets too elaborate with
the jump cut. That first step is slow. Uh and
that workload raises some durability questions. Man, I like, he's
fun to watch in college, but to me, he's a
role player on the NFL.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
And I'm not the biggest fan.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Okay. So it's crazy how you are talking, Like some
of these draft analysts and scouts talk about like if
a guy doesn't have enough experience, then it's negative words
about him. But if he has a lot of experience
where they gave him a lot of carries and no,
well you know, he's been utilized too much. It's like,
we gotta we gotta pick.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
A side that's a fair that's a fair side.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I'm just I think he's got a little bit of
the way that he runs looks like it's gonna lend
to injury. He runs like the way he writes and
is ground down. You're right, it's going to lead to injuries.
But defensive players was gonna leave the injuries from.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Salven it already has.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Like I am one of those, Like I'm not a
camp's the first step is slow. Again, you're talking about
a guy with ten fumbles in three seasons. Size it's
not tiny.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
He's not tiny.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
He's listed he's five eleven and he's listed it to
two fifteen.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
But that's a high listing.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
He's playing.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Weight was about two to eight. He is not People
compared it to Peyton Hills. He is nothing like Peyton
hillis Peyton hillis with thirty to forty pounds, heavier, ran
the forty you know, two tenths of a second, faster,
stronger better.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You know why the comparison running back? No, No, The
only reason you make that was nothing like comparison is
his level of physicality what he brings to the game,
and how he's a down heel run. Ye, trust me,
Cam's gataboo is the type of running back that you want.
And those goal line and a short decision.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I'm not a fan.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Well, we'll have to we'll table that because we'll come
back to that.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Will be I'm just saying he's nothing. Peyton Hills lined
up at wide receiver. He ran the he caught so well,
like he had the best hands on the team. They
they moved him all over the place. He'd be a
full back, tight end, wide receiver, putt returner like he was.
Peyton Hillis was a better athlete. Four I got doub Five.
Number five is Deilan Samps.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Okay, you got del SAPs a little underside for me.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That's one of those things that I, you know, significantly
understand for for a feuature back. I know he's listed
to a one playing weight was one ninety's another ball
security guy. Lost four fumbles this past year. That's one
of those things that bothered me a little. But uh,
and he can get a little cute at times, but
the rest of the stuff, I mean, he's a dynamic runner.
It transcends scheme elite acceleration, great footwork, and he fits
for either a gapper zone. And so for me, I
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really like Dylan Sampson. That's my number five. Who's your four,
Marion Hampton?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Uh? What are you wrong?
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Too?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Low? Whatever? Martin Hampton, I gotta I gotta a.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Four second quarter second running back drafted, right, I have
most accounts.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Wait, well, first of all, this is this is my
big boar after Martin Hapten. I got him as my
number four. I like his ballance, I like his his
vision when you get him out in space, especially if
he's drafted by the Denver Broncos and you go to
that Alvin Camaro type of offense where you're doing the
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checkdowns in the screenplays. He can hide, then there's a
burst and he still has that that low body power.
So he's my number four.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Okay, well, I think you're way off on that one,
but that's fine.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Ben's Carmelo, Anthony, don't make the world brown number four
for me.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
To put you on Juggins.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Top end speed limitations, a little bit caught from behind
a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Tighten the hips pass pro.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Is inconsistent and productivity dipped against better competition he ran
it up against those you know people he was supposed
to run it up against, but he averaged under four
yards per carrying five different Big Ten matchups this past season,
and I thought there were times where he was maybe
a little two paid that he needs to be a
little bit more decisive. I think if you're a gap
heavy run scheme, you know he's got good vision in
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his running style will shine, but you know you've got
to have the right system for him, and he doesn't
have that breakaway speed after he hits to the second level.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, my number three is Trey vond Henderson out of
the Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's my number three as well.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Okay time all right, So when you look at the
fact that he was splitting carries with Kishawn Jenkins, obviously
he's not gonna have a massive total of yards like
Amari Hampton or asking Jentsy. But when you talk about
giving a guy for opportunities on a perimeter, and he's
going to make you feel good as an officer coordinated
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calling those kind of outside types of plays, and he showed,
especially watching a bowl game against Oregon, he definitely has
that burst one cut, get up field and get vertical
and I remember Barby t former a running back coach
for the Denver Broncos. He loved that about running backs.
One cup, get get vertical, not all that dancing in
the hole. Yeah. I think there's two.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Things about him that bother me, and that's said durability
a little bit of a concern. He miss bolt chunks
about twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, uh with injury.
And then he bounces outside a little bit too quick.
I think when, especially when you get b gap pressure
or a gap pressure, he bounces it outside. Might need
to be you know, might need to trust your inside
landmarks and stick with it. But beyond that, I don't
have too many concerns about him. He's fast, He's got
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great acceleration, He's laterally quick. He'll try it to pass
pro even if his past prosen totally refined. Great vision
at the second level. I love Trevion Henderson. My only
concern is that durable and don't I don't have his medicals.
So what I'm saying is he is a team has
to be sold on his medicals. If you're going to
draft him in the first round, you got to be
completely sold on those medicals. Just based on the fact
that you're running back to his two seasons in college.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Well for number two.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Night Quishawn Jugets. All right, I'm a bigger on him
than I am. I thought I was big.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I love this kid because he reminds me a little
of jamyir Gibbs, who plays running back for the Detroit Lions.
That that whole one cutting burst runs behind his past.
Really well physical guy. He can't catch the ball out
of the backfield, even though when you look at the
fact that he is splitting times with Trevion Henderson, obviously
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he was still able to make himself stand out amongst
the other backs. And I know someone look at his
numbers say well, he doesn't have that many passing pass
receiving yards. Once again, you're splitting time of guy, so
you're splitting a lot. But he's shown that he can
catch the ball out of the backfield. But I just loved
his one cut, vertical man, that burst man on the
second level sensational.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, I already tald about quen Shawn Jenkins, So you know,
I had him a little bit lower than you. But
I think we're both bullish on him, I guess is
probably the best way one, number.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
One, I have two.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I have two guys here, I have two guys left.
I have a number is it number one?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
A one? I don't have a number two.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
One be Sabarian hampton Man, violent finisher, consistently falls forward
through contact that lo of that exceptional leg strength. He's
got core strength. He pushes the pile two to three
yards after initial impact. Natural feel for pressing the line.
A great pad level elite burst would hitting the whole.
I can go on and on reliable hands. The backfield,
he fits a gap power scheme, not really his own guy,
but fits gap physical power protector in the past game.
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We'll stick his nose in there. Great balance, you know,
I love, I love just about everything about it. One
the knocks on him long speed is an elite you know,
get a little too upright at the line of scrimmage sometimes,
but other than that, to me, he profiles like an
absolute monster at the NFL lever bell cow back and
we can get a number one on the other side,
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because that's one b Rocus cut your net backup for this.
Have six sixty nine zeros. The text line, you guys
want to get involved in the conversation. Of course, we're
doing the big board and we were down to pick
number one and on the running backs. And I don't
think it's a surprise to anybody that action Dante is
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both of our numb.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah he is. And for me, he is definitely my
number one because as a guy that played this empty position,
I look at running backs and say, okay, well, how
would this guy have tested me as a safety? But
the defensive units that I play with and asking Genty
is definitely that guy. When you look at yards after contact, right,
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that is so important because some running backs don't finish
their runs. It's like soon as they hit that first
contact wall, they stumble, they fall on the ground. There's
no yards off the contact. But Genty is just one
of those guys. Man. He has great vision, great law,
body power and the short area of quickness and he
definitely has the bursts to run away from guys. Now,
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I mean, does he seem like he is a burner
from a forty perspective, Probably not, But we know some
guys are gamers. As far as running in the game,
it's amazing how fast you run when someone's chasing you.
It's amazing. And when you look at the fact that
he had three hundred and seventy four carries, So naturally
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you think, okay, well, like you said earlier, and which
I don't know based on what you said, why is
your number one? Because that means that with three hundred
and seventy four carries, they used him a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Oh yes, they used him a lot, a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
He was the entire offense, right And someone said, well,
they questioned his level of durability, and I'm like, well,
that should explain it right there.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, they used him. He's fine. I'm not worried about
his durability.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, because they're thinking of, okay, well, they over use
him as boise he gets to the league. He doesn't
have that much tread on his tires. So that's what
some individuals that I've spoken to and talked about. But
when you're averaging seven yards a carry an opposing defense, Ben,
they know you're getting the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, this is I mean these generational talent, elite contact ballace, lead, vision, anticipation, rare,
rare combination of burst and long speed, soft, natural hands.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
He was absolutely a work work horse.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
They used him in pass pro, the pad level, the
leg drive, and you knew what was coming that that's
the thing that poison used to. You knew what was
coming and you still couldn't stop it, and and uh,
you know, I watching him play was a real treat.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I still I still think my guy Bryson daily, Uh,
the quarterback there at Army, but.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
He wants to play running back in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
But he will would play in the NFL. He slot receiver,
running back.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
But look, he's just you know, I I don't think
there's a real weakness to Janty's game. I mean you
could sit there and say, well, maybe there was some
lapses in ball security.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
He was fighting for extra yards, but who doesn't have that.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You talked about the heavy usage already, maybe some load management.
You know, uh what else you gonna pick? You gonna say,
what do you cana say? Patients behind the line. Maybe
maybe it wasn't really as patient as he could have been.
There's really not anything that you can say here that
to pick on him. You pick and choose.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
You're bias because when you talked about Cam's catible, you
were talking about, you know, his ability to hold onto
the ball and the number of fumble. Yeah, when you
talked about Ason Gentty, you referred to him as well.
He just fighted for extra yards.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
But he didn't have as nearly as many fumbles as
Scatabo had. He's kinda had a lot of them. He
had like ten fumbles over the last three years, Like
he fumbles the ball.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
But that once again, Melvin Gordon scattabow, well, no, I'm
not gonna let you put that on Scoata Borough. But
once again, these are one of the things that you
tell running backs. Once you get into a pile, you
have to focus more on securing the ball instead of
trying to run through someone's face. But with Scatibo, knowing
is oh okay. Well, his mentality, he's got a tough
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gun type of mentality.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Right, and it's gonna lead him to take in Dings
and Dean City. You know, he runs with a physicality
that his size shouldn't have.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And I don't want to take anything away from.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Him because you know, like I just because I don't
personally like and I wouldn't invest in that doesn't mean
that he won't be somewhat successful to the NFL level.
Like he runs physically violently, he just doesn't have the
size to back that up. And it's gonna lead to
it's gonna lead to density. You know where the thing
that I most is you know in Samashi, Pee Ride's bigger, stronger,
and faster than Sctable. That's why I compare him to
He's a guy who catches the ball well out of
(20:06):
the backfield. Could be a third down guy. But if
you make him a feature back, the way that he
runs is going to grind him down. And you saw
a pe righte when pee Aydams was a starter for
Cincinnati or Kansas City. He would start off with like
one hundred and twenty car one hundred yard game, and
then the second game you'd have a fifteen yard game
and he just wasn't he was right, and by the
third game he was worn down. He just runs with
a violent style that is not good for bulk carries
(20:27):
over multiple games.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
This is where how you save running backs not named
Camscatable and even Cams Kettible. It depends on how you
deploy them and use their skill set. Because there's some
coaches who are not running the ball as OC's well.
They want you want the running back to run through
the teeth of the defense constantly, which makes absolutely no
sense to me to me, they're less defenders numerically on
(20:51):
the outside of the perimeter right to run outside. Like
you were saying, well, Trivion Henderson, the one thing that
that bothers you about him, he would bounce it out. Okay,
So I'm okay with that because once again, that means
that you're using field vision and then it's clogged up.
You have the speed and ability to make that balance
(21:11):
because a lot of guys can't even see that.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, but if you're in soul and your pathing has
got to be on that tackles heels as as you're
running that, you got to stay on that tackles heels
to string that that out so that you can make
the cut back from the crease. Otherwise they're gonna know
you go to the outside, those defenders are gonna overrun
the tackle to the outside and go.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
To come get you. Well see once again, this this
is where you a good running back coach and scheme
will be able to use that skill set, right because
you're looking at the Scotand report and said, Okay, here's
a guy who loves to bounce outside, so now you
set them up.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, and I'm with that. I'm not trying to take it.
I'm just saying it's just something I noticed. I'm like, man,
there's sometimes you just gotta trust that blocking. It might
not be there, but string that play out, you gotta.
You gotta hang It's like it's like a you ever
watch an option quarterback and they get they.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Make the decision too quick, they'll.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
String it out long enough, kind of the same thing.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I'm like, but you gotta hang on to it and
get that defensive defensive end to commit. Once you've got
your key player to commit. Dan you could do, but
you gotta string it out a little bit. Or a
guy who makes the pitch too quick and gets his
back snuffed in the backfield. Well, I tell you when
my first year playing, that's what it was. The running
back was a senior came.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Over and let me know about it. You know, he's like,
you gotta stream that out.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
If you just stand there and he pitched that balls
quick as you do, he's gonna tee off on me.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You know what that reminds me of. It reminds me
of my early days in New York with Parcels and
Maurice Carton was the running backs coach, and it's like
one of those things that would kind of really boil
his tea kettle over. Because it's a play you're trying
to set up. The running back has to be patient,
and when you get younger running backs, they're so used to.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Getting it and going that's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Can you have enough patience to set up the play?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Perfect example that is you remember Michael Pittman.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yes, so Michael Pittman when he was down in Tampa
that Gruden would get so mad because he was like,
these guy's oldestpeed in the world. He overruns his blocking.
He doesn't have enough patients so at the blocking setup
and then by the time he got to Denver had
figured it out like I gotta take us, I gotta
slow it down.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Just a little bit, let the blocking set.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Up in take off.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
And that's what it is young.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
That's that's one of those biggest pet peeves of young
running backs that especially speedy guys, they are not patient.
The athlete did everybody in college and they don't have
the presence to let the blocking set up.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Well, that's what made Le'Veon Bell so dangerous right when
he was in his prime, was his patients develop in
front of him.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
He was the epitome of that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
He was the guy that was so good and so
patient and letting that and then violently take in It
didn't hurt that he was two hundred and thirty five
pounds and you know and rocked up, you know, you know,
so there on top of it. But he was He
was the perfect epitome of the guy who did have
the vision. Whereas he had guys like and you we've
talked remembers, take them back, Quinn Riffin, guys that needed
to develop that vision and right have it right off
(23:49):
the bat. When they got to the league, they were
just faster than everybody. And then it took a little
while for them to kind of figure that out well
because in college football and in high school they were
always taught, okay, you got.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
To get from point A to point the fastest guy
on the field did. So they get to the league
and they have that same mentality, how quickly can I
get to the outside not knowing Okay, well, if you
get to this point before you're blocking, you didn't set
it up. You're gonna make it easier for them to tackle.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
There's gonna be no tackle out there in front of
you or full back if you're doing lead, but there's
gonna be nobody out in front of you to take
go on that blocker, and you're gonna need a linebacker.
You'd have, you know, Patrick Queen sitting right there, ready
to ready to blow your world.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
And that's why in Tatum's rookie year, Alex Gibbs he
used to tow him out right because now you go
from like Clint Porters right to Mike Anderson and then
you go in to Tatum Belle and Mike was really
patient because Mike didn't have that speed, so he wants
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to allow it to set up. And Clinton had that
first issue when he first got here. He was a
fast guy, had to slow it down. Fast guy learn
how to shlow down. So a lot of these young
running backs, it's patient. But you know, asking Jens, he
is a hell of a running back. And I know
some criticize him once again said okay, well he's not
an all around back because the number of reception yards
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out of the backshield. But I'm like, well, the way
that boys he was using him, they didn't need to
really throw it to him. They just handed to him.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, that's what you just hear. Make something happen.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
The voise he playbook was give the ball to Jay,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Fake, give it to then throw it after he has
run out.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Now, I will say this, Now, it does bother me
looking at some of these mock drafts and they have
aston gents going to the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I think that's where he's gonna want that.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That bothers me.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I think that's where he's gonna wind up. Man, I
do I believe I'll be there.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I agree with you, Ben, Why wouldn't they take them?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I've been I've been on that for since before the combine.
In fact, we sat our booths at the comb run
and I were at there. Our booth was across from
our good buddy, Vidie bo Signori, works for the works
for the paper out there in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And that's all we were talking about, was that.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The the other guys there were like, we don't want Chanty.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I'm like, you.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Don't want Ashton Chanty, a generational running back.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
We don't want you to have Ashton Chanty. I just
look at his running style. And if you Pete Carroll,
you're saying, look, I mean, here's a miniature version of
Marshawn Lynch. If you wanted to look at it that way, right,
A guy who is who was punishing a guy that
you could say with Gino, you can get the early
(26:25):
lead and you can hold on to the lead because
guess what, We're gonna grind teams down with that running game. Yeah,
and keeps.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
You know, Pete Carroll is gonna want to run the football.
You know, Chim Kelly is gonna want to run the football.
And so that's you know, that combination there with the Raiders.
I would not be surprised if they double dipped on
running back. I would not be surprised if they if
Chanty was their future guy and they added another one
on top of it, and the Raiders all of a
sudden try to become a power run football team. They'll
put a little fly sweep in there and that kind
(26:54):
of stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
One of those Ohio State guys.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, but you wouldn't Judkins. You know, you put Chanty
and Judkins back there. It's the j J B.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And all of a sudden, the Raiders are you know,
the Raiders are tough tough out again.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I'm starting to get worried about the Raiders. I am too, man.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Pete Carroll's a good coach.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
You get Geno, I mean, I'm better than ain't o'c connell. Right,
they're upgrade at that position. Brock Bauers another year in
the system, they get a couple of wide receivers. Man,
they're going to be dangerous.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, And that's that's the other part of that is,
you know, once once they get the once they get
the rest of that figured out. You know, there's been
some people that think that they should draft shoul Door
to learn for a year behind Geno and that kind
of stuff. I don't know if that's if that's a
direction that they I think they want to go.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I think they want to be competitive right away.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And I think Pete Carroll wants to be competitive right
away because he recognizes his agent knows that he doesn't
have the kind of time to sit there and you know,
and and really wait on something to get there.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
He's got to he's got to hit the ground running there.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
But they've got I mean, they've got some players, you know,
the offensive side of the ball. They've got to get
some receivers that that is. They got Myers and that's
really kind of the only receiver they've got. I do
like him Trey Tucker's got a little speed, but you
know Bowers is the guy. They went out and they
added Raheem Monster.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
You knows.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I mean, maybe that's your fly sweep guy, but I
mean to me, they got nobody else behind him since
heer McCormick. They'll loud Chris Klie or Isaiah Spiller and
Sameer White that that's a bunch of nobodies.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
You got a draft chances he.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Was Rahiem he was. I was with the forty nine
ers when he was there, and he was just kind
of making his mark coming from the special team's gunner
position to being a running back. Now, he does definitely
has some juice if you get him on the edge.
I mean, we saw him when they played against the Broncos.
Remember that that ill faded seventy point game. Yeah, we
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saw him work his magic and being as though he's
played with Kyle Shanahan, he learned how to be patient
Bible turning to be in his running back coach. But
when you look at the Raiders, they have nine picks
they then they had in round one. They're picking six,
Round two thirty seven, Roalm three sixty eight, So I
can see them taking two running backs, because letting that
(28:55):
be their type of identity. If you're running the ball effectively,
play action to Bauer, play action, and then you're then
you think about your defense, they're they're well rested. Yeah,
and then now you talk about unleashing Max Crosby. Yeah,
well rested Max Crosby.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, that's that And it worries me.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I mean that that to me, like there's there's people
that for whatever reason, don't believe that they'll take Chancey
And I'm like, man, that's been the easiest one to
write in. I think for the last couple of months,
just just watching this thing. And with the picks that
they've got, they can get some receivers down the line too,
you know that that's another thing. You can get running backs,
you can get receivers a little later, and then they
can start working on the defensive side of the ball
after that. I mean, uh, they still have Christian Wilkins
(29:33):
coming back back to Crosby the other side of that
line's not all that great. But you know, they went
out got Devin White to put him at the will
you know, and they added Jeremy Chann at the safety position. Man,
they I don't know, Man, Raiders might be a little better.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
We think, well, here's what I'm looking for. As far
as the AFC West, we know the f C West
is going to be competitive, right, how competitive? We don't
know it's going to be a fight to stay out
of the bottom. Als say that, and looking at the
Chargers and looking at the Raiders, and this even before
the draft have taken place or whatever. These are not
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going to be your pushover teams like before. Right that
the Broncos have kind of struggled winning games against the Raiders,
even though the Raiders have been somewhat on on a
downward trend. But things have just got a little more
exciting in the AFC West if you ask me.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, it's gonna be tough, real quick. One to get
to a couple of things here. Joe Milton to the
Cowboys on a trade. I don't think that affects Dak
Prescott at all, obviously, But with Sean.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
McCoy, no, he said, he said, I forget what NFL
show he's on, but he said that Dak Prescott better
find a realtor because Joe Milton can play.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I'm not saying that Joe can't play, but Dak Prescott
owed like hundreds of millions of dollars, Like they literally
can't get rid of Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
See, that's an epitome of saying something stupid with the
idea of getting traction on it. There's no way that
makes sense, Like you said, I mean, Dallas has invested
too much in Dak Prescott. And if Joe Milton was
going to take someone's job, he would have done it
by now, don't you think. Yeah, I mean well, I
mean he was Mills got a strong arm. He played
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
But I man, that seems I'm trying to think of
the right way to say. That seems awfully ridiculous. Me
a stupid Yeah, that seemed to all due respect to
Shady McCoy, that seems unrealistic.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
One of my favorite running backs of all time.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
But man, he joined the ball with one hand and
a loaf of bread. He always And they finally animated
it in Madden, by the way, like when he was
carrying carry it with one hand like that, and I
was just like, oh my god, so frustrating.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I gotta be frustrating for running backs.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
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