04-21-25 Hour 2 of Broncos Country Tonight with Ryan Michael

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Is that an old denim outfit?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
You? I just realized you have a denim jacket and
denhim cap on. What isn't it like the Canadian tuxedo?
Is that a denhim It's not, It's just blue. It
looked like a jeen. It looks like you were wearing
blue jean denim.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Head to toe. Also have khakis on. Oh okay, well,
I can't see your pass from here. He's not amused.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Five six six Taxla we right out of the cant
wait car was really the hotline to bring on our
guy at Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter, Ryan,
you're not wearing all denim perchance.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (00:32):
No?

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Sir?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Okay, got just making sure we're on the same page there,
grant U, Gret Greg could pull it off though. He's
got like he's got like this this this designs embroidered
in the thing, And I could never pull.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Off what he's wearing. I've rocked one before. Yeah, I'm
just saying I could.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Never pull off it's cool. I'm just not cool enough
to pull it off. So my jealousy jumps in. Uh, Ryan,
we get the draft coming up here, that's gonna be
a lot of fun. But uh a year ago this time,
there's a lot of uncertainty the quarterback position here in Denver.
A lot of people A time, fellow, we should have
mortgaged the future for JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
I wasn't for that. You worked for that. Bo Nix
was the fifth or sixth best quarterback on many people's
draft board.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
He ended up being the first or second best rookie,
second best probably, I mean Jane Danils it was probably
the best. You were very very bullish on bow knicks originally.
What are the things that you look for when projecting
success at the quarterback position?

Speaker 4 (01:27):
You know, I had Bo as the number two quarterback
on my draft board, below Caleb Williams, but I had
him above Jaden Daniels. Bo has a lot of the
characteristics that I look for when scouting quarterbacks, and I
would say, if I had to pick just a handful,
I look for somebody with high football IQ, somebody who's
very coachable, has accuracy in pocket presence, or probably the

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two characteristics I look for above anything and everything else.
You need to have requisite arm strength, but you don't
necessarily have to have Josh Allen caliber armstrength certainly a
bonus if you can find it. But the next thing
that you look for is situation, and that's something that
the Denver Broncos provided the bo Nicks last year. You
want strong coaching, we had that in Sean Payton. I

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think he deserved ap Head Coach of the Year consideration.
I look for a strong offensive line. I would argue
that Denver had arguably the best pass blocking offensive line
last year, and strong defensive support. I think that we
were the best defense in football and healthy. So Bo
had the trifecta. And while I'm not shocked to see
him play well, I certainly was pleasantly surprised to see

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him play as well. He did well. Ryan.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
You know, usually when quarterbacks come out on that first year,
some do well, and there's a lot of details that
go into it. But how is it that some guys
avoid that sophomore slum?

Speaker 5 (02:53):
And what I mean is that when you think about CJ.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Stroup coming out of Ohio State, there was some negative
things said about him. He came in under Bobby Slow
and he had the Texans on fire. They were moving
the ball up and down the field, exposive plays. Now
fast forward to that sophomore season, it did look that well,
so much so that Bobby slog was relieved of his duty.
So when we look at a lot of quarterbacks, Jane

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Daniels going into his second year after I guess, great
performance in his first year in bo Nicks, how is
it that some guys have an act for going up
and having a great sophomore season and some just kind
of fall back.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
How does that happen?

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Good question? I would say, I think part of what
we've seen recently in CJ. Stride was a great example.
Third in the NFL in adjustin that yards per attempt
as a rookie dropped all the way down to twenty
seventh last year. And I think the reality that Houston
made the postseason part of a weak division Trevor Lawrence
Kinning injured in Jacksonville, I think masked just how much

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of a drop off it was from year one to
year two. But historically, also so you see quarterbacks Matt
Lurian fourth and adjusted NIT yards per atten does a
rookie seventeenth to this year, RG three was third as
a rookie dropped all the way down to twenty third.
He was certainly injured, he was never truly RG three
after his rookie injury. Colin Kaepernick wasn't a rookie in

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twenty twelve either, but Fullington purposes he was. If he
had qualified, he would be second in the NFL and
adjust the yards per attemp dropped to eighth and thirteen,
then the fifth in two thousands. I think dual threat
quarterbacks have a tremendous advantage in their rookie season because
intensive coaches struggle to prepare victim wore and at least

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they have more all twenty two film to study, you'll
see that drop off. I think sometimes it's a quarterbacks
who are part of more advanced systems that you run.
It can sometimes take a lead forward in year two.
Peyton Manning might be the best example of that. Ranked
twenty first and adjustin Nate yard sper attend as a rookie,
jumped all the way up the second in the NFL.
As a sophomore, Trevor Lawrence even the change systems, he

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went from the eighth in twenty twenty one, I'll hold
up to eighth in twenty point at two. So I
think it's not so much that the sophomore quarterbacks are struggling.
They are relative to there's rookie seasons, but I think
for most quarterbacks may it's more than two years to
figure it out. So when you see big booms in
year one and you seet dropped a little bit, part

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of that as the function of gretch happens the most quarterbacks.
I think it's a little bit overblown the sophomore slump.
It's more matter of seeing how do you in year three,
in year four as they get involved in terms of
learning maas them and executing within the system.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Tyler, Ryan Michael, let you Ryan Michael on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Ryan, your phone's cutting out a little bit there, so
just just letting you know there.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
What can we take?

Speaker 2 (05:45):
What is there to look at, because there's just not
a lot of history of quarterbacks having a year two
with Sean Baton mean fact that there aren't any Russell
Wills was gone, Bodix was the year two quarterback here.
Drew Brees obviously had a year two with Sean Payton
back in the day, but it was the only year,
I think, maybe one of three years he didn't make
the Pro Bowl, you know, in that second year, and

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then of course once he was done, they had I
believe Jameis Wins did a couple of guys there, So
there never was really anybody who had a year two
of Sean Payton. What is there to what can we
glean as bo Nicks is entering year two of Sean
Payton's offense.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
We can't really take much. I mean, you could look
back to his time as a quarterback coach and an
offensive coordinator. So Kerry Collins took a step forward in
year two. The Giants made the Super Bowl. It's more
of a defensive driven team, but they finished fifteenth in
points per game scored, which before last year with bow
Knicks was actually the best Marcus Sean Payton offense ever

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had in terms of points per game scored. Without Drew
brees Quincy Carter took a step back in year two
from three to four. There's not really much that we
can take from it because we don't have a sample size.
Certainly as far as what he's done as a head coach,
we've not yet seen it. So I'm definitely excited but
cautious about what we're going to see from bone Nickson here. Two.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well, I'll tell you know, there's a lot of excitement
for this upcoming draft, and it's not like a top
heavy quarterback class. But there's one guy that I haven't
really heard you say too much about it give your
expert analysis on, and that's Shador Sanders.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
And that was a.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Guy who was said to now be slipping or sliding
in a draft. And I want to get short of
your take on your breakdown as far as what you've
seen from him, and how do you think he would
project as an NFL quarterback.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
It's a good question, nig. You know, there's certainly things
to like. He has fantastic footwork, He works through his
progression as well. He has excellent ball placeman. He can
hit those tight windows, and he's an efficient quarterback when
provided protection. So when he doesn't have that, heels onto
the ball too long, he sometimes veils out of clean pockets.

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He struggles to establish rhythm. And he's built at six two.
And when you look historically at quarterbacks who are sixcess
six foot two and under glass, people read a little
bit too much into height. But it certainly matters at
the position, and I'm not sold that he's necessarily six
foot two. What I find is tall quarterbacks sometimes are

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built a little bit shorter, and short quarterbacks are built
a little taller. I'm six foot five. I've stood next
to Peyton Manning, He's at least six foot six. I've
also stood next to Drew Brees. I don't think Drew
Brees is six feet tall, so you tend to see that.
So you know, if Shador is really six foot one.
You look at quarterbacks and that's six one sixty two
range who have been dominant. Can you name any who

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haven't been dominant duel threats in the last fifteen years
who have been dominant quarterbacks because those who are six
two are under you. Look at Lamar right, probably the
best dual threat the game has ever seen. Patrick Mahomes
might not be able to do exactly what Lamar Jackson
does with his legs, but he's certainly able to do
things that are unnatural at the quarterback position. Aaron Rodgers

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was cut of that same mold a decade ago. So
for a guy in Shador who's not a dominant duel threat,
I am a little bit nervous about the height.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Just leaving Drew Block out of that dominant duels I
could even straight face it there, Tamer Ryan Michael at
you Ryan Michael on Twitter, Well, don't failing off that, then,
over the last fifteen years or so, who has been
the best rookie quarterback you've seen? Obviously, I don't think
you can use Pat Mahomes there because you only play
one game as rookie season. And who has been the

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best softomore quarterback you've ever seen?

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Or perhaps the same guy?

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Fun question, would you say it's the same guy. I'm
going to give you two unpopular picks for both. I
think Andrew Luck as a rookie in twenty twelve, even
though he did not have the raw efficiency numbers, certainly
that would jazz you the way CJ. Stroud produced in
twenty twenty three. He set an NFL record with four

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three hundred and seventy four passing yards twenty eight total
touchdown was an AFC rookie record at the time, led
the Colts to an eleven and five record, and tied
what was at the time Peyton Manning single season record
for game winning drives. He had led seven game winning drives.
And what impresses me about Andrew Luck that rookie year

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especially is that the Colts weren't a very good football team.
I think Bruce Arians was the best thing for him
but in terms of the roster built around him offensive
line Russian support, there wasn't much. T Y Hilton was
arguably the best receiving threat outside of Reggie Wayne, who
produced that a Pro Bowl level, but collectively, as a unit,
they weren't a dominant offense. I was certainly impressed by that,

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and in a similar vein Trevor Lawrence in his sophomore year.
We talked about the jump forward. He finished sixth in
DVOA as a sophomore, and he had a higher DVOA
then Jalen Hurts and Joe Burr. He aliber football, and
he wasn't supported with anything close to MVP caliber support.

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If you look at de Travis EPN ranked twentieth at
the running back position, his receivers Christian Kirk thirty first,
A Jones fifty first, even Evan Ingram, and we're excited
to see what he's going to do. In Denver he
was fifteenth amothst tight ends, which I think he was
better than fifteenth personally. But what Trevor Lawrence was able
to do as a sophomore in that situation, winning a

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division championship and then the big comeback against Los Angeles
in the postseason, those would be my picks for the
best of each I'm always impressed by quarterbacks who overachieved
relatives to their situation. Their quarterbacks who have better numbers,
for sure, but in almost every situation, when you're seeing
those big video game numbers, they're surrounded by a heck
of a lot of support.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Support is really important to any player's success, especially for
those who play the quarterback positions. But you know, there's
a lot of teams out there and those guys in
those positions, there's a lot of pressure for them, but
they're not as support as though they should. What are
some of the valuable lessons that both the Broncos and

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the Washington Commanders can kind of take a page of
to be aware of to kind of set their quarterbacks
up for the future, Because, like I said, a lot
of teams draft quarterbacks in the first row, but they
don't always surround them and support them. So what do
these two teams need to do to make sure that
their quarterbacks have a successful second season.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Well, I think Denver did an unbelievable job, especially with
the resources available at our disposal last offseason, in terms
of setting up bone knicks for success. Right, They really
built a team around his strength and they took care
of business on the other side of the ball. As
a defensive player, Nick, I'm sure you can appreciate. It's
impossible for me to overstate just how important it is

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to be backed by a top ten defense, be backed
by an elite defensive unit. Jaden Daniels didn't have that
last year. I hope he gets a little bit more
support on that front this year. If there's any advice
I can give to these teams is don't look at
the strengths of last year and take that for granted,
because regression is a real thing. So we look at, say,
our offensive line arguably the best in terms of pass

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protection in the NFL last year. Injuries can happen at anytime.
Somebody who produced that an elite level may not produce
it an elite level the next year. And so all
you need is one or two pieces to take a
step backwards. And even if the quarterback is taking your
step forward, it might not be reflected on the stat sheet,
and it might not be reflected in the win loss column.
So we can't just assume we're going to have an

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elite offensive line. We can't just assume we're going to
have an elite defense. You have to continue to build
and work and grind every single day because I see
a lot of teams getting complacent, and if you assume
that your strength from last year is going to be
a strength in year two, you might be in for
a rude waga ball.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Ryan Michael ed Ryan Michael, All right, let me put
you on the spot here a little bit.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
NFL Draft coming up here on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Is there anything you personally with like to see the
Broncos acquired at the top of the draft.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
You know, there's a lot of positions of need. I
think running back is towards the very top. I wouldn't
go tight end certainly in round one. I have questions
about Evan Ingrid's health. There's so many areas wide receiver.
I know Sean Payton has a lot of confidence in
our receiver run Crats a little bit more than I do.
I do think that it's going to be a matter
of that provided Bodnix with that support. Like I said,

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the running back position, given what we had last year,
which Williams says our leading rusher, and I think he
only averaged something like three and a half yards per carry.
That's going to be a position of need for sure,
and I think that it's possible. I think Ben you've
alluded to this on Twitter a number of times. If
you can get an elite running back early in their career,
we can keep them at a low cost during the

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first five or six years of their career. And that's
in terms of what we're seeing out of running backs
in recent years. Take one, Barkley might be the exception
because he was in the best situation in football last year,
in addition to being as talented as he is. But
if we can get an elite running back or really
in the first round and we can keep him on
the team at an affordable rate for the first few years,

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I think that's something that would be a tremendous benefit
the Bonix. But we also need to look into depth
at the position. I know I fanned out a little
bit about the two thousand and five Broncos rushing attack
a few weeks ago, and it's difficult to have depth
at the position because we don't elevate that position to
a position of importance the way that we used to.
And I'm not saying you need to exhaust all of

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your draft capital there. But I do think it's going
to take more than just one running back as well.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
I'm with you on that, looking forward to the draft
cut up here on KOA later on this week Thursday night,
to be specific, Ryan, we appreciate your time as.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Always, anytime guys appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Rian Michael at the Ryan Michael contribute to Pro Football
Hall of Fame and defensive analysts for a progue football
team over there in the European Legal Football We come back.
We're going to get into this draft stuff. Me and Nick,
we got your hands dirty. We're gonna go go breaking
through the well. I'm gonna worklas. Nick's gonna get his
hands started.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
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Speaker 1 (16:18):
Recent episode. Uh was it last week? Yes? It was
last week. I've lost track of day. Say I haven't
listened yet I see it's no I was listened to it.
It was on the night I was gonna listen to
went out for four days. Hey for granted? Over there, buddy, Actually,
if not yet, but I will.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
I guess he's been celebrating for hitting his weekend's parlay.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
I was not watching the apps. Yeah, both of those
things happened. Both those things are very very true. Uh
Usually I listened to the taking for granted podcasting the
way home, so that that's what I will do. Uh Eda.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Usually just say, excuse me, a lot to a lot
to get here too, I do before we get into
draft stuff real quick. I do want to do one
more thing here and then go back to your thoughts
on the CU spring game.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
One of the biggest glaring.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Things that you think CU is going to have to
get fixed before the start of the season.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
It's funny, okay, the run game. The run game is
definitely one of those things. Last year you look at
the Power five, CU was probably the bottom in that
group because they averaged sixty five yards a game, right,
and that's not going to be good enough. That's why
Shador was throwing for the volume that he was throwing

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and watching his game and knowing the game the way
I do know that you need balance, and it was
kind of amazing. Over the past couple of years, the
same issues that the Broncos were having, well, the same
issues that the Buffs were having. Both teams are trying
to rejuvenate, get jumper cables, if you will, the defibulator

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to try to jump start their run game. You saw
in the spring game there was a conservative effort to
get the running backs more touches, but it also allowed
the quarterbacks to both settle down early they were handing
the ball off. There was some misdirection, like I told you,
there was utilization of the tight end. There was some
dump off, some checkdown, some easy throws to kind of

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get both running back in the quarterback kind of settled in.
So for me, that's going to be the biggest component
for the Buffs. How can they establish somewhat of a
run game and a complete office Because we all knew
winning Dow third down, we all knew where the ball
was going. Fine twelve, who's going to emerge as that

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outlet for either Caden Salter or Juju Lewis.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Who's going to be that guy who you mentioned that
Juju looked a little you know, newborn giraffe at times.
Who do you think is the inside track to start here?
Because it might goutud say, Kayen Salter, I mean you
got that much experience.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
There's a guy right, Well, one may think that, but
once again it goes back to Pat Sherman, the officer coordinator,
who he feels comfortable with, because on Saturday it seemed
like each guy was given an opportunity with plays that
seem to fit them well. So that means, well, whatever
quarterback they said or on that is going to have

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to be the system that they work with. And it's
going to be difficult or rough at the very beginning
because you don't have the wide receivers you had last year. Right,
you don't have Jimmy Horn Jr. I mean you don't
have Travis Hunter. You don't have Will Sheppard. You know,
you don't have there's another receiver that I'm missing, right,

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Johnty Western.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
So you don't have those guys, and you look at
the numbers that they put up collectively, right, and Travis
obviously was a big dog amongst that group. So they're
still gonna need some young wide receivers to come in
and step up. And this is why right after the
spring game, coach promised adamant about, Hey listen, if you
out there, you in the portal, you want somewhere to

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come went and compete right here, and you and a
lot of those guys would play definitely right away. So
those aspects and everything I just said to you. Notice
I didn't miss it the defense yet they have, but
it's the offensive side that they definitely have to fix.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
But establishing that run game is going to be vital.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Is that it will.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I want to get into some of this draft stuff
because there's a lot of a lot of the rumors
floating around.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
You know how it is.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
We get into draft week and all of a sudden
the rumors about and look at all those rumors. Let's
starting to me every day. Let's start with the uh,
let's start with the early, early stuff. The big one
that came out the earliest would be the Ashton Janty
stuff that the Jaguars could suddenly at Ashton Janty. I
don't necessarily buy that. When there are people that do that,

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I know that do I don't necessarily.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Buy that one.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I still think he's somewhere between the Raiders and the Bears,
you know, in that range.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
But there are people that start think that. And my
opinion here.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Is that the Jacksonville Jaguars are letting that information out
because they want somebody to think that they're going to
take him at five and then either move up to
four let their guy fall to him, or you know
that they will trade with somebody to five to move
back a little bit if they But so far nobody's
been on that. Do you believe that Ashton Janty could
go to the Jaguars at five?

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Uh, that is a strong possibility because whos to say?
You know, the new Hey coach is satisfied with Trevor
etn Due.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Now they've also got Tank Bigsby down there.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yes, but once again, I look at it this way.
Either you want to add more backs to the mix,
or you're not satisfied with the backs that you have.
And for me, that's speaking coming from a person who's
been around both Colin and Mike, and their whole model
was we keep a stable of running backs. You want
to make sure that if someone goes down, you can

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plug and play another guy. Once it get think about
the different Broncos. Did they have a plug and play
guy the running back position. No, So it's better to
have It's better to have something and it's better to
not need it in habit than need it and.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
Not have it.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Right, is that type of philosophy? So could Jacksonville in
fact do that?

Speaker 5 (22:21):
Yes? And with that buck the system.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Absolutely, Yeah, we'll see. Bigsby was very effective last year.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
He was the number one rusher in terms of attempts, yardage, touchdowns,
success rates. He also averaged four point six per carry
last year, tank Bigsby did versus Travis Atien, who averaged
three point seven. The only other running back with any
appreciable carries at all on their roster was Dearness Johnson.
For those of you who don't remember Dearness Johnson, he
was that guy that the problem the Browns started in

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that one game against the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yes, through which his name may have been dear Way.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
You gotta bring up both self, because his name may
have been Deerness Johnson, but the Broncos made him look
like de Eerrick Henry in that game and it was Yeah,
he hasn't you know, he hasn't really done anything else
in his career outside of that game. But dearedis Johnson,
by the way, a career of two hundred and fourteen rushes,
nine hundred and eighty nine yards, and three touchdowns, the
overwhelming majority of which came against the Broncos in that

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one game. I yeah, you know, the Jacks could use
another running back. It just seems like it's a team
that could use a lot of things. And I don't
know that the drafting a running back there makes the
most sense.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Maybe it does. I mean maybe you're just like, look,
we're gonna load up on offense.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
We're gonna be like Cincinnati, and we'll try and figure
out how to build a defense down the line. But
it just seems to me like that's a team that
could probably use some other things beyond a running back.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Well, they could, but once again, you always look at
for me, I go back and say, well, where's the
head coach opposive coordinator coming from?

Speaker 5 (23:50):
You know.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
What scene?

Speaker 3 (23:54):
That was he kind of you know, taught and brought
up in in the tutelage. When you think about is
that Mike Shanahan kind of scheme?

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well, yeah, I mean he came up under Sean mcfay
mostly came up at the college.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
So that means that you have a plethora of backs
that have a different variety of capabilities. Right, And when
you think about Bucky Irvin who played in Tampa last year,
how electric and explosive he was. So who's to say
that maybe that's not how they're looking at it in Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Maybe, like I said, they just seem like a team
to me that that had other needs.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
So you are buying the possibility of ashion chance.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
I mean, how can we dispel anything at this particular
point because it happen.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I'm not dispelling it. I'm just asking if you're buying
it like not not. I'm not not source, you know,
because I'll sprinkle in what I what I know. But
in this particular case, I'm not buying it. It wouldn't
shock me, but it would surprise until you're buying it
a little. It wouldn't shock me, but it would surprise me. Okay,
is where I'll put that on the on the scale
the meter. I'll let it surprise if that happens, but not,

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you know, like it would.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I just is that.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Because like in years pass we've we've seen a lot
of teams shy away from drafting running backs in the
first round has nothing to do with Okay, that's that's
not the idea. Just you're looking at the team and
the players say, well, they don't match.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
That's what is that.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
I think the situation doesn't match right now.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Like looking at what the Jags have, I think you've
got enough between Bigsby and at who's on the last
year of a deal?

Speaker 1 (25:29):
You know, see that, but that might be the insurance there.
I could sort of get that, but then would you
trade it?

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yet at that.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Point you're at a low market value on him. There's
a lot of questions with that. But that's what I thought.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
But once again, the Jags are right above the Raiders.
Right who's sitting at six? Who could be interested in Janty?
That was my next question? Who could be that was
my next question.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Pete Carroll has a history of taking offensive lineman in
the first round. Membo could be a guy at right tackle.
They've got Colt Miller who's looking for a new contract.
Uh and not you know, not getting any any leeway
on that. Are you Buyinganty to the Raiders already buying
the possibility on offensive linemen?

Speaker 5 (26:06):
See?

Speaker 3 (26:07):
See that's tough. See that all depends on what happens
at four. Well, I think that's gonna be fine.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I think one, two, three, and four is going to
be some combination of cam Ward Travis Hunter and Admiral
Carter and Will Campbell.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
I think that's one through four.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Okay, So then you get to five with the Jags
and you're like, all right, is this Chanty?

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Is this Bason Graham?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Do they throw a curve ball to everybody and go
get a technic million at Arizona.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
That's the thing because everyone's picking after Tennessee. It's kind
of been a waiting position because Tennessee's in pole position,
and you may change your mind based on who they
take in the first three picks, and then maybe a
guy that you never you didn't even think that was
going to be available, you go like, wow, I mean

(26:51):
now you can go up agin See.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
That is going to change everything.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Now Jacksonville once again picking behind New England, they can
put the pressure sure on the Raiders, especially if Jent
is still there. The Raiders may say, okay, even though
we're picking at six, that's the guy we identify. So
they may say, well, Jacksonville, what would it take to
kind of move up a spot and for some people say, well,
you know what, that's kind of ridiculous, we're just moving

(27:16):
up one spot.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
But we saw it, We've seen teams do it. The
Niners trick the Bears into doing it for Mitch Trubisky. Boy,
that didn't work out for the Bears at all anybody
because the Niners didn't get a good pick out of that.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
But right, but this this is the game.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
This is the head tricks, right where everyone's trying to
use the JETI mind trick on one another. But once again,
there's an argument that you can make for Jacksonville taking
gent and obviously at six, that's a perfect landing spot
for the Vegas Raiders to pick up genty because when

(27:50):
I think about the Jets, they don't really need a
running back. They already got two good running backs.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Well, Breest Hall's coming up on a contract.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
So if you're the Jets, why don't you draft Antie
and try and trade Breese Hall recoup some of the
draft capital.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
That is that's that's possible.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Especially if you got justin Fields back there. You know
you're gonna be a run heavy football team.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
But you go to Hall, you're going to you're going
to need Maybe you trade the big boy, the other
guy that had there, whose name is escaping me at
the moment.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
What did he play?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
You play?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
God, he's the big running back there, especially a b
I think kind of draw a stupid blank on his name.
I'll tell you in a second. It's all took me
a minute. Yeah, you know, just okay, So you take
Ante and Breylen Allen and keep Briest and trade Braylen Allen. Then,
I mean bries would be the one that's coming up
on a deal that that would be for me, that
would be the point of moving him.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
But to avoid that.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, the contract philosophy of roster building is you just
ride running backs through the rookie contract and then trade
him and try to recoup the draft capitol. Dirty, I'm
terrible person. Dirty, I'm glad you know how is because
I run a business. Yes, you've not a charity. Would
your car every single day?

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Well you got it that your key card won't work
on a lot of this.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Point them over the fence, right, and then I'm gonna
lay down them nails when you drive out.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Now, it's just how I know what the first thing
I'm doing as a GMS. I'm building it like a
car garage and building.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
My car.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
If you gotta court out throwing Ferguson, you gotta come out. Man.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
You know there's a couple of different things. Yeah, Chancey
could he could slip pass raders. Let's say they go Membo,
you know at right tackle. Now'll sudden you're out of
the Jets. Jets, what are you doing there?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
You going wide receiver? You're going offensive line. If Membo
just went and Campbell just went, you go on offensive line.
Still you go a tight end.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
I'm thinking Tyler Ward getting a little binky for justin Field.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
I'm thinking the Jets will go offensive line.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
They would go offensive line.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
They have to find a way to protect their quarterback.
They've seen justin fields in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
We'll see what that looked like. Pittsburgh. You still had
the highest sack rate exactly.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
So you're going to go there as the number one
option of trying to protect your quarterback. And and and
know one, as though Darren Mogy's coming from coming from
here and this is this is his first rodeo, He's
basically got his quarterback already without looking.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Can either one of you even tell me who the
Jets right tackle is Grant looks at you, Blake. No, okay,
I'm gonna give you the name, and after I give
you the name, tell me who he is and how
they acquired him. Carter Warren is the UH, is the starter,
and Zach Bailey is the backup. Zach Bailey of course,
they came from San Francisco Lesure. Carter Warrem was a
twenty three fourth round draft pick out of Pittsburgh. Now

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he's a starting right tackle, well he by default he's
the starting right tackle in the death chart. That doesn't
mean that he will be the starting right tackle right
Ze Fishano on the left side, John Simpson, Joe Tipman
at the you know, and then Elijah Barry Tucker is
the right guard.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
So yeah, they kind of need a right tackle for me.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
If you're the Jets, you're really hoping Membo falls there.
He's a natural right tackle. You plug him right in,
you're good to go. But if he's already gone to
the Raiders, do you reach on somebody or do you
try to get ahead of the Raiders in the first place,
Because the Raiders are smoking this whole thing, saying, look,
we're looking for an offensive Lineman when a lot of
people assume Chanty.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
So it's just funny to me how the games, This
is what I'm.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Getting at it all these games that get played in
the week leading up to the in the week leading
up to it, where all of a sudden, teams start
talking about the position the team right behind them needs.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
That's the genius part of the draft, being able to
manipulate someone into jumping the gun. I think, if I'm
not mistaken, the Caama coos in a movie Draft Day, Yes,
I think there's a scenario entry. Yeah, something like you say, documentary.
If you haven't seen Draft Day, man, you should definitely

(31:39):
go go.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
And check it out.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
It's yes, it is, but it gives you a somewhat
of an idea of what goes on on Draft Day
and the communication that takes place.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Between two little bit let me get back to be
back to this point.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Here's what I'm getting at. Right, you have to Jags
all of a sudden say they're gonna draft Chanty. You
got the Raiders all of a sudden saying they're gonna
take Membo, both guys that are associated with the Raiders
and the Jets right behind him. Right, you get the
Broncos today, everybody's talking about them sniffing around trading up,
which the Broncos call about trading up every year.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
It's not really to trade up. They just want to
the price tag everything, whether they're going to do it
or not. That's smart.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Gms do that right. And I'm talking about teams right
behind them. Now, the Steelers maybe don't need that wide receiver,
but right behind the Steelers who draft right behind the
Broncos is the Los Angeles Chargers. And you bet your
backside that the Chargers are looking at wide receivers in
this draft to add to the one receiver that they

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have at Lad McConkey. And you bet the Chargers would
be all over drafting of Matthew Golden. Go back and
look at Jim Harbai took aj Jenkins in the first
round when Mabe backwards to the Niners.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Remember that at Illinois Speedster.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
So here's what I'm what I'm saying is is a
lot of this stuff looks like smoke. That teams are
looking at the teams one of two spots behind them,
trying to get them to jump ahead of them for
a guy they don't want and push their guy down.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
For me.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
If you, if you're the Broncos, you really think about
the scenario, who's calling you, what they're offering you, right,
take the best offer. But I say move back, move
back for me, there's no reason to stay at twenty Now.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
You may say, well, if they got a guy they love,
I'm always saying, if you love him, you put a
ring on it, you marry himf you love him, But
if you don't love him, you just kind of like him.
Let's kind of keep dating. Come put your options back
out there, head backward.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Mm.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
Love, you gotta be careful.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Do we believe in love?

Speaker 5 (33:37):
I believe in love, but love to sometimes get you
in trouble.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Gangage And I'm just saying, or if you get jilted
at the altar and then at the last minute you
go in there a blind and you and you marry it,
and you marry a past to Lynch

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Broncos Country, Broncos Country Night back into this