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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Short show post Rockies edition. Benjamin Allbright here with you,
and this show will mostly be a bit of a
draft extravaganza. Tonight and tomorrow will kind of get into
some of that stuff. Looking forward to our draft coverage
here on KOWA. On Thursday, I will be live with
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the with the fellas, UH, starting at what do we
do at three pm? I think Mountain time three pm, UH,
starting live then and we'll be all through the night,
will be all day Friday Saturday, geting us on KOWA.
Some of it if the Rockies are playing, will be
over on k how obviously you can catch us on
the stream. And I think we're gonna do some like
Facebook live stuff as well. Lots of content coming your way,
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Lots of stuff coming you guys way, looking forward to
UH to all of that. I get a lot of
questions this time of year about the mock draft. I
have completed it in pencil. I am giving myself until
noon tomorrow to sit with it, see if I'm happy,
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and then I'll submit it for publication. It'll publish at
about three thirty Mountain time, three thirty pm Mountain time,
and I'll be on the air sort of going over it.
Live with Ryan and Dave and Shelby Harris on KWAI
Sports tomorrow, So you guys want to tune in for
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that Broncos country tonight Tomorrow will be on a post
Rockies edition as well. So uh, just for those of
you need all the programming notes, there you go, five
six six nine zeros text line. Gonna get involved the conversation.
I had to promise the draft nuggets, and I didn't
really get a chance to get into those yesterday with
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Nick we had kind of a full show reacting to
Avs and Nuggets and all that kind of stuff as well,
so I didn't really get to get as as draft
heavy as I particularly wanted to. But we can get
into some of that today, and I'm gonna start with
the quarterback position first of all. What I figure I
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would go buy positions today and then by tomorrow I'll
try to go by sort of draft slots. We'll talk
a little bit about every aspect of that or every
angle of that, I guess over the next two days.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But I don't want to ruin the mock draft.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I mean, you'll get you you'll pick some things up, obviously,
some you'll you'll pick some of the things up as
far as this stuff goes. But I really don't want
to get too too far into matching up players team
because I want to do the draft roll out and
have fun with that here in a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You guys have to bear with me a little bit
on some of that.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
As well. So let's let's start with though. Let's start
with the quarterbacks. I think for most of you, I
think everybody knows cam Ward's going number one. If you
don't know that at this point, I don't really know
what to tell you. That's you know, that's been known
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for a while. I'm pretty sure I tweeted out in January,
so that's That's not something that I think is a
shocker or a surprise to anybody who has been pays it,
who pays attention to the draft. I think a lot
of people have a lot of people question where the
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next quarterback, who the next quarterback is, and where they're
going to go, And depending on who you ask, I
think that's either Jackson dart or Shad or Sanders. I
wouldn't say it's exactly an even split, but I would
say that of the people that I have talked to,
there is sort of a a narrative that it's one
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of those guys as the second quarterback pick, and they
they mostly believe that I didn't have. I get questions
all the time about Tyler shug And and Jalen Miller wrote,
nobody I know has either one of those two guys
as either a a first rounder or B the second
quarterback taken. In fact, nobody had them as the third
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quarterback taken that I spoke to. It doesn't mean it
won't happen, but again, nobody, nobody had either one of
those guys is uh as those kind of things I
think Tyler shug Is. It reminds me a little bit
of sort of the I don't know if you guys
remember t J. Yeats, but there was a ton of
hype about TJ. Yates, uh, you know, right up to
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the draft. Oh, this guy is is the sleeper or whatever,
and he wound up not you know, not even close
to being a first round or whatever else. And you know,
TJ course didn't exactly have the the world's greatest career
as a you know, as an NFL quarterback or the
talented guy I just you know, I mean, being a
quarterback in the NFL is difficult. He's going into you know,
coaching and everything now. So but everybody I talked to
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has one of two people, and that's either shud Or
Sanders or Jackson Dart as the second quarterback. And I
don't think either of those guys are going to go
in the first nineteen picks. And I'm using that number
deliberately because the Broncos pick at twenty. So I'll just
I'll use the first nineteen picks, you know, as it
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goes the Broncos at twenty. Why is that a possible
trade back spot for.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Teams.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, you've got Pittsburgh at twenty one. Obviously they have
a quarterback need. So if anybody believes that the Steelers
are on a quarterback or on their quarterback, then of
course they would need to get to.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Twenty in order to get their guy.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So I don't believe that either shd or Sanders or
Jackson Dart will go in the first nineteen picks.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I I'm not sure that anybody's going to trade up
to twenty to take Shitdo or Sanders. I'm not sure
that he's going to go to the Steelers at pick
twenty one. I would say the next spot if you're
looking for a if you're looking for a team to
trade up and get into quarterback, twenty is the first
I think landing spot. Twenty four I think would be
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the next spot. The Minnesota Vikings don't have a lot
of draft capital in this draft, and they are considered
a trade out spot. I think they would take anything
to multiply picks. They've got several needs they need to
address and just not very many picks in this draft
to be able to sort of do that. So I
would not be surprised at all if Denver or Minnesota
would be the trade out spots. Yes, I know, I
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saw and any of you who watched NFL Network last
night saw Ian Rappaport on The Insiders doing the Factor
fiction thing, and he mentioned my name in there. You know, Ian,
and I like and I hate it when people name drop,
but I'll let you guys in all the secret. You
and I talk quite a bit. Ian's a good friend
of mine. He's been a great mentor for me on
certain things. But he's a really good friend. And there
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were some people that took that seriously, and obviously it
was just good natured, you know, having some fun kind
of stuff. But I yeah, that that's I do not
believe the Broncos are trading up. I don't believe they're
trading up for a wide receiver. I don't believe they're
drafting a wide receiver at twenty. I maintain that if
I'm wrong on that, hey, I'll own it. But based
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on conversations I've had, I find that incredibly unlikely. Both
scenarios incredibly unlikely. We'll see how that goes. And Ian,
to his credit, when he was talking about that, very
specifically said, this is not sourced reporting.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
This is just me thinking.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Sean Dayton's here for the chaos is the gut, you
know kind of thing, and so I need everybody to
sort of take that with a great sell. I do
not believe the Broncos are trading up. I certainly don't
believe they're flying up the board for what was that?
I saw some nonsense out there today for Ashton Channy
at five or eight or whatever, or Travis Hunter. Those
are I mean, fun cool, that's that's some that's some
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Madden pipe dream stuff. But in reality, the the idea
that the Broncos have the ammunition to move up that
far is is just is absurd. Frankly, the biggest trade
ups in NFL history was a team moving fifteen to two,
and that was too and they traded up. Gosh, what
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was that? That was the was that the golf trade.
Now the golf was six to two. From six to two.
It took Washington to get RG three. It took them
what three total first rounders and a second rounder to
move four spots for a quarterback up into two. Trying
to get up there to the top five is already pricey.
Trying to do that from twenty, where you're in a
draft that doesn't have twenty blue chip players is impossible.
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It's not gonna happen. So the Travis Hunter people that,
I mean, that was I openly laughed at that, the
Ashton Jenny thing, Like, I'll say it a little bit differently,
so that so that I'm not being condescending because I
don't want to be kindesteading to people.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I just you know, I'm trying to be realistic and
inform here.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
The idea that the Broncos have the Ambletar trade to
eight or nine is not realistic.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
It's not I know.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
People have said, well, the Steelers and the trade to
ten ten. The Broncos initiated that trade. That's why it
didn't cost very much. The Broncos were willing to take
significantly less. They wanted the extra pick to be able
to get both rise in or and locked in the
second round, and they knew they could get to twenty
and get fat and so that was their whole plan,
and so they took a lot less that it would
normally take to move from twenty to ten. You can
look at, for instance, what it took for the Bears
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to move from twenty to twelve to go get justin field.
That is significantly more realistic than in these other trade packages.
I actually floated out there. There's exceptions to every rule,
but the reality is moving up in the draft is
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already it's expensive and it's inefficient. Most of the time
when you trade up, it does not work out. And
you go back and look at the myriad of teams
that are trade up in the first round and it's
just most of the time it does not work out.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
You very rarely get back.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
In productivity what you spent in asset class to get
up there. And the reality is the draft is all
about darts and dart throws and where the sweet spot
is how to maximize getting the maximum number of contributors
that you can't and so excuse me, So I think
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the idea that the Broncos would move up, I mean,
it goes against everything that I've heard all off season.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And I try to, you know, I mean, we do the.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Wet blanketing and whatever, and that's funny. But reality is,
I'm not trying to I'm not trying to downplay or
be down on the Broncos or whatever. What I'm trying
to do is generate a realistic expectation based on real information,
not wild speculative you know Twitter troll guy who's like,
you know, Caleb Johnson of the Broncos with a daily
countdown or whatever, and then deletes that when it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And by the way, I'm not suggesting Caleb Johnson the Broncos.
In fact, I do not think that he's coming to
the Broncos at all. But you know, it's it's one
of those things where it's funny to watch visceral reaction
to trying to be realistic about stuff. I tried to
be realistic coming back from the common We got great
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information at the combine. I mean, the Broncos essentially told
us what they were going to do, and I got
there on Twitter and I said, look, I think the
spens are going to be on the defensive side of
the ball. I think, you know, a safety, a linebacker,
maybe a slot corner. They didn't ultimately do that. I
know they want some depth on the d line that's
probably gonna come in this draft. And then on the
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offensive side of the ball. There's just two things that
they're they're kind of eyeballing to make spens on the
tight end position and possibly a veteran running back for
the room, and that that veter running back thing still
remains available.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
That's something that.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Would happen probably after the draft, whether it's you know,
if you're adding a Nick Chubb or a JK. Dobbins,
if if you were to add something like that, somewhat
of that caliber, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
It's not meant to be a huge spend on a
veteran running back.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I'm just saying you'd want an older voice in the room,
as it were. But we you know, we came back
and we said that and I emphatically tweeted out, the
Broncos are not after any of these high priced wide receivers.
They're not looking to make a big spend on wide
receiver in free agency or at the front of the draft.
I mean, Broncos Sourcing literally told us to our faces
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the same thing they ultimately told all of you guys
in the presser. They love their young wide receiving corps.
They've got big plans for our Mims in Veley and
to a lesser to give Franklin, but if he were
to take a leap, that would be that would be
a positive for them. But they've got big plans for
Devon Vley and Marvin Mims. And I do believe they'll
add a wide receiver body in this draft.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I do.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I just don't believe that it'll be Day one, probably
not day two either.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And so that's sort of the thing.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
When we we get to the week of the draft
and you start seeing stuff all over the place, you know,
here or there, and Broncos Country going all the flutter
because Ian got on there and I'm sorry, I'm laughing.
I know I shouldn't laugh and said that they might
be trading up for Matt Golden, like I mean, okay, well,
if you're doing that, and.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Here's my.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Here's my let's take it seriously for a moment conversation
on that. If the Broncos are taking Matt Golden, if
they were to trade up and draft Matt Golden, well,
first of all, you're giving up the assets that you
would need to get that second tier running back or
tight end. And then you're also moving up to get
a receiver that is forcing you to take someone else
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off the field. Right, you have to have five offensive linemen.
You only get eleven guys. Gotta have five offensive lineman
and a quarterback. Right, so we know who the offensive linemen are.
We know Boonux is a quarterback that takes six of
the eleven players that you can put on the field
at a time out of the equation right there. So
let's say you draft Mat Golden. All right, who are
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we taking off the field to put him on it?
Courtland Sutton, I don't think so. Matt Golden's not an
X receiver, He's a zuh And Courtland Sutton and Devon
Valley really are the only like X receivers you have
unless you think at Perry's gonna suddenly become that guy.
And I'll say this, despite all the jokes. That's not
something I expect. Michael Bandy, I think is still on
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the roster, and you know, but that's not okay. So
you're not taking Courtland Sutting off.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
All right. There's another thing.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
We're not going five wide all the time, so you
got to have a running back, so that running back
comes off. All right, So we've got the five offensive
lineman and Poe Nix, an ex receiver and a running back.
That's that only leaves three positions left on the field. Well,
you just spent that money on Evan Ingram and we
haven't mentioned a tight end, and we know Golden's not
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gonna play tight end. So are we just not going
to have a tight end out there altogether? Not probably
gonna be having Ingram? Right there you go. So now
we've got bon Nix, a running back, tight end, and
five offensive linemen. That's a at least three spots, Cortland
Sutton at least that's nine at.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Least two spots. So now you got two spots open.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
You got the Z receiver and you get the slot receiver,
and you guys, argument, the only argument I see here
is that we're somehow leaving vele who they have big
plans for again off the field. They've been using them
as a power slot in backup X or Marvin Mims,
who is this team's best vertical threat, the only vertical
threat really last year, and you want to and he
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got better every game, and so suddenly you want to
stilt and stop that production to bring in Matt Golden
and be redundant. There are scenarios where you could put
Golden and Mimes out there on the field, but that's
not what Sean Payton likes to do. He likes to
uar those bunches with two big receivers, a power slot
and maybe it does a moved out tight end or
whatever in an effort to block. They love to run
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those wide receiver screens behind that. And so to me,
it doesn't It just doesn't make sense from a fiscal responsibility,
a roster construction standpoint. There are a myriad of reasons
why it just doesn't make sense. And with all due
respect to to my good friend Ian, you know, and
he and I had been talking all day about this,
like him saying, him putting that out and then you know,
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going on TV and all that. None of that was
I mean, he and I had talks like it was
not a surprise, So with all due respects, that's not
what I believe is going to happen. So we come back,
we'll start to get into a little bit more of that,
get into some more.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Of these draft nuggets. Listen to Broncos Country and Night
right here on Ka.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But Albright here with you short show again post post
Rockies edition, be the same thing tomorrow night as well,
and then we'll have our full draft coverage starting Thursday
three pm. Mountain, myself, Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards, Rick Glow
is going to join us. Susie Ward has been doing
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some great feature pieces that we're going to include throughout
there with some of these guys, and they're pat to
the draft of sprinkle those about the coverage. Zach Seger
is going to be involved on on day three. Nick
Ferguson gonna be involved. So we're gonna have a jam
pack show. Everybody's going to be involved. We get a
lot of opinion on this kind of stuff and let
you guys know what we think is gonna happen. We'll
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let you know what happens and we'll react to how
wrong we all work. No, I'm kidding, but we hope
to have you guys along for the ride.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
It's more fun. Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
The draft is interesting because at its core, I mean,
you're reading names off a card, right, You're you're writing
names on a on a sheet of paper, reading names
off a card, and we still find ways to make
it fun, uh and exciting and and so for me,
I look forward to spending that time with you all.
We'll obviously be live on KOA and some of it
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will be on k how if we get bumped over
for Rockies, so I'll do my best to kind of
keep people updated on all that. You can always do
the stream on the Eye Radio app. I would recommend
downloading that personally.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Just because I think it. I think we'll always be
on the app if.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I'm not mistaken, even if the Rockies are on. I
think with geo fencing everything else, I think we'll still stream.
I think we'll still stream our draft coverage. So you know,
I could be totally wrong on that. They'll watch me
say that and then whatever. But download the iHeart app
and stream us that way. It's I think the best
most effective way to listen to the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
We were talking.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I was talking in the last segment about this idea
that Ian Rapport had cooked up yesterday, but the Broncos
maybe trading up for receiver. Why I don't think that
it's even feasible, let alone why it wouldn't make much sense.
I'm willing to hear debate or push back on it,
but I we're on the opposite side of the fence
on that one. And Ian, for his part, I mean,
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he and I have been talking all day. We talked
a little bit today as well about you know, what
we think's going on and all that kind of stuff.
I do have a name, but I'm hanging out of
that for the mock draft. So I appreciate all the asks.
I appreciate everybody. Why won't you tell us, you know,
I'd just like to be a little bit I'd just
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like to have a little bit more confirmation on that.
I should have that. Like I said, it should be
good to go. The mock draft has already filled that
in pencil. It'll be published tomorrow on the KO website.
I'll put the link up on Twitter, but it'll be
published tomorrow at right around three thirty, and then obviously
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I will be on the air with Dave and Shelby
and Ryan to discuss the mock draft, so we'll get
a chance to We'll get a chance to look at
that and go over and break it down. You guys
can tell me what an idiot I am all that
kind of stuff, But I appreciate you guys being off
for the ride. It's the most fun I get to
have all year. We'll do the draft puzzle thingy on Thursday.
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I'll put something out out there as well, so you know.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I think I think that, uh, we'll have a lot
of We'll have a lot of fun with that. I do.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
As far as the rest of the stuff goes, We've
been talking a little bit about the Broncos and feasibility.
You want to talk about a couple other things I've
talked about on Twitter, but I'll talk about.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Here as well.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Uh, terro a mcmillion is a very divisive prospect. There
are a couple of teams in the in the top
half of the draft that really like him, and most
of them really don't. I'm not buying the stuff at five.
We'll see, Like the Jags thing, I'm not really buying that.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
We'll see. I gotta call in just somebody down there,
So we'll figure that out. There's just not there. There.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
There's a couple of guys, and I don't mean to
pick on the state of Arizona, but there's a couple
of guys in this draft that media and fans are
way higher on, I think than just about every league
person I talked to. Maybe it's one Camp Scatabo is
the other, and I think anybody listens to this program
though I'm not super high on camp Scatibo. Like like,
I love watching him as a as a collegiate player,
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but I just don't think the things that made him
good at the collegiate level necessarily translate to the NFL game.
And I do think there's a niche role for him
at the NFL level. I think Scatabo could be like
a third down back, you know, and and and sort
of his best role would be something like what Sean
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Payton did with Samaj p Ryan. I just Scantabo's style
of running, which and he's not the same size or
speed as a Samaj p Ry p Rhyan was bicker
and faster, but his style of running it initiates contact.
It reminds you a little bit of I think of
Marion Barber in the way that you know, it seeks
to initiate contact, and those guys get ground down, like
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they when you make him a primary back, like when
you have injuries and you make a guy like that
a primary back, they'll usually have like a game where
they are You're like, oh my god, wow, and they'll
run for you know, a buck twenty you know, in
that game and and and get two touchdowns or whatever,
and you're looking at this game you're like, oh my goodness, yes.
And then the next game they come back and get
that same load of carries and it's diminishing returns and
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it continues to be the mistery tchurchs because they grind
themselves down and physical contact takes its toll. And for
a guy like Scatibo, I think is best served in
some sort of rotation a third down where you can
utilize his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield.
I don't believe I know he's not going day one.
I'm not sure he goes day two. I don't think
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he goes day two. I think you're probably talking about
him and everybody will have him in their biggest steal left,
you know kind of thing on those Day three picks.
I think he's going to be one of those guys
that goes somewhere on day three. And I've maintained that,
you know, for well since the combine really, so you know,
this isn't some new opinion or anything. If you listen
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to the show before, you know that. If you haven't, well,
you get caught up. Now millions another guy they you know,
you see some comparisons out there, and I hate comparisons
to begin with.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Everythink of Bridon knows that.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
But you see these comparisons out there to guys like
Mike Evans, and he's not anything.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Like Mike Evans.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
First of all, one of the things about a million
that bothershed me the listed forty time for him, he
ran his pro day.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
People.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
There are people here actually that are running with a
four to four eight number, which is not what he ran. U.
He ran like a four five eight on it ed
his pro day And I have no idea where that
four four eight number came from. It's not backed up
by the tape. He's not a separator, you know. He's
just a guy who's big and you know, sort of
out jumps people. And that's sort of been his calling card.
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You know, I there's I know everybody's seen the video
about him talking about not watching Tay That' from a
few years ago. I'm not even I'm talking about that.
But I don't think he's He's a guy that loves football.
I think football is that means to an end for him.
And I think there's just some teams that are sort
of put off by that. Know, they if you're taking
somebody in the first round, you want somebody who's all in.
And that doesn't mean that he won't go in the
first round. I believe you will, just because somebody will
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take a chance on that size. And there are teams
that you would think they could use that. You know,
Dallas needs somebody opposite cd lab whether that's Big Million
or Matt Golden whatever. You know, you look at the
Chargers and they desperately need another outside receiver outside of
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Lad McConkey, who just carried the load last year. So
there are there are options. I think, uh in the
sense that that that he probably doesn't fall past at.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
The very worst Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
But I would say that he's another guy that you know,
you see stuff and fans talking about going fifth overall,
which again I'm not buying.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
If it happens, then I look like an idiot. Okay,
fair enough, but.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I I just I mean, you look at the tape
and I'm like, Okay, I see a guy outsizing people
at the college level. Not sure that's going to work
at the end NFL level, and I don't think that
the hype train on him matches. I'd much rather have, uh,
you know, a guy like Golden or the kid from
mohiuse State even than him because I think that they
can they can do more, and I think you can
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use them better. I think there are people who have
made the mcmillion Sean Payton X receiver thing before. But
you've already got Courtland Sudden Devon Vele And if you
want a guy like that, I mean, you could get
the kid out of TCU, you know later, so with
without a much of a drop off in evaluation. So
those are things that I look at this and I'm like,
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all right, these these ones don't make a ton of
sense to me. I got a lot of people talking
about Jalen Milroe because he got the invite to the draft,
and all of a sudden, people are assuming that that
means he's going to the first round. I don't believe
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that again, based on conversation, I've had mill Roe's firmly
a Day two guy. In fact, I don't even think
he's going to be uh he'll be the fourth or
the fifth quarterback selected. I believe that, you know, again,
I've been wrong before.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I'll be wrong again.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
It's entirely possible that somebody is you know, it's fibbing
in there. That's you know, I don't literally talk to
every person in the league. I don't have those kind
of connections.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I do.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I am lucky enough to be able to talk to
some people. But I just I'm not buying the mill
Row hype. But if you've watched him throw, like I
get the tools, I get taken a chance on the tool.
But that's what you this what second and you know
Day two picks are four. You know, if you if
you've got the luxuries. So I'm not buying the jayln
Milroe in the first round conversation, I could very easily
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see him going you know, Day two, but I don't
think that he goes ahead of Jackson Dart. I don't
think he goes ahead of Shade or Sanders. And there's
possibility that Tyler Show could ahead of him, although I'm
not really buying that. I think that again, we we
talked about it before the sug hype. To me, I
do believe he's gonna go day two. But that's one
of those things that reads like a bunch of teams,
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you know, mentioned in something and then media running with
it and all wanted up at each other, and the
next thing you know, you're talking about this guy in
the first round where he has no business having his
name mentioned. And so I think that's I think that's
the thing some other some other dudes and notes. I
do believe it'll be three running backs in the first round.
I do believe Ashton Janty, We've talked about Omrio Hampton,
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and Trevion Henderson. At all three of those guys I
believe are going to go in the first round. So
when somebody's asking the other day about the over two
point five backs, prop bet yeah. I have taken on
that head ticket on that for a while. I do
believe those three will go in the first round. As
far as quarterbacks, I could see it being one. I
believe it'll be three going in the in the first round.
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We'll see how that shakes out. We talked a little
bit about the trade back spots Denver and Minnesota, kind
of those those trade back spots for people as far
as true eating activity. It's funny you had Ryan Poles
come out today and say that he thinks it's gonna
be a crazy day and they're gonna be trades all
over the place. And then you have John Lynch comes
out and say, I don't think that anything's gonna happen.
I think that a bunch of teams want to trade
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back and they're not finding buyers. So I think that's
It's fascinating to me because you have two general managers
picking in close proximity, very close proximity to each other
in the draft, who have opposite feelings on what this
draft in the first round could look like. This is
interesting to me because there's not a lot of blue
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chip talent purple sticker talent, So to me, that lends
that the idea that there might be more trading because
once teams get those players, if one falls or teams
have wildly different boards because they have different grades on
the guys in that second tier.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
To me, that suggested that there could be more trading.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
In terms of trying to jockey for position to go
get a certain guy or making sure you get you
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
But who knows. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I do expect the over on six point five offensive
lineman in the first round. In fact, I expect a
lot offensive linemen to go a lot earlier than most
people have them mocked in the mock drafts. Today was
the first day. It was today's Tuesday, Monday. Yesterday was
the first day I even looked at mock drafts, just
to you know, as I put my initial thoughts down,
then I kind of look to see where I stack
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up amongst some other people. And yesterday was the first
day I've even looked at anyone's mock draft out there
all season. And I will say I believe offensive linemen
are probably going earlier than most people have had them
listed as of yesterday. Now, I had a couple of
questions about the Saints. I do not believe they're on
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a quarterback at nine. I think that's probably going to
be an edge player. Well, we'll sort of see.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
It could be offensive line, but that one, to me
feels like an edge player. Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
There's a couple of players, uh, and and positions inside
the teams there that I think I've got a good
pulse on in terms of being edge guys, the Colts.
I think everybody's projecting Colst and Loveland there. That's probably correct.
There are some teams that are not happy with his
medicals on his shoulder. So that's that's something that you
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know to sort of keep your eye on.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
You know, just because some teams have a med hold
on a guy or flagging a guy whatever, doesn't mean
everybody does. And just because some teams don't like a
guy doesn't mean everybody like. That's the thing with like,
for instance, million Is there are there are definitely like
two or three teams that like him, uh, and then
there are definitely, like I know of ten plus teams
that don't. And so you know that that sort of
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creates that that sort of disparity when you when you
start adding that stuff up and looking around at the
mixture on some of these boards. That's where these these
wild variances come from. And why I talk about you know,
why a team could be more active trying to trace
just because the variance is all over the place with
some of this stuff, and you want to.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Make sure you get your guy.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I know everybody claims they get their guy, but you
want to actually get your guy in a lot of
these cases. So again, as far as trade ups go,
I know the Panthers want out at eight. They want
to move back. I'm not sure they're going to be
able to, but we'll see. There are a couple of
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you know, the Broncos are team that, you know, I
know everybody's starting to say they're you know, but they
just made calls like this is the other thing that
it bothers me, And so I'm gonna go on a
little tangent here for a second. This is one thing
that bothers me, I think most of all in this
business and trying to cover things.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
The Broncos want to know the price tag of everything.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And they get used a lot to help leverage against
other teams. And they're fine with that. They're okay with that.
They don't they don't mind that at all. They want
the perception that they're in on everything no matter what,
even if they aren't. But like, for instance, these receivers
like they were not in in any way on Deebo Samuel,
and you had multiple people out there trying to claim
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that they were. Uh, they were not inning on Cooper
cop in any way, and you have multiple people that
trying to claim they were. Now, Sean Payton had a
conversation with Cooper cop That was the Friday I think
before or two fridays before he wound.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Up signing with Seattle. There's just a brief conversation. Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
The Broncos absolutely called the Rams to get a price
on what that was. They absolutely called San Francis to
get a price on Deebo Samuel And yeah, they've been
calling in the draft to get the price tag on things.
And you know why you do that because what if
the unthinkable happens. We're all sitting here right now saying
there's no way Ashton Janathee falls out of the top ten, right,
but what if, for whatever reason, the unthinkable happens. You
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get a bong mask on draft night. You know, there's
some rumor spreads around nobody can verify, and he starts
slipping and you want to you're confident in your evaluation
of the guy, so you want to know the price
tag to get up to this what responsible teams and
responsible general managers do. And the Broncos do that, and
then everybody turns it into a thing all Broncos are
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looking to trade up. I maybe they do, but the
conversations that I've had since dating back to the Senior
Bowl two weeks before the Combine were all consistent and
that that was.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Probably not likely. That's not really the direction they're going.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Honestly, they'd like to move backwards and get more picks
in that you know, early second round era where they
feel like it's a sweet spot. The idea that they
would be moving up is just is this anithetical to
what it is they've.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Told me now? Is everything they told me always one
hundred percent accurate.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
They've derivated from things they've told me before, I'll say that,
but generally they're honest. At least it's not dishonest. So
I again, that goes against everything that they've said so far.
It goes against everything about the wide receiver room. I just,
you know, maybe I'm wrong. I just I don't see
it and going with that, and and no, the Broncos
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are not, you know, trying to There's a difference between
calling and getting the price and also actively trying.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
To move up.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Those are two different things. So we need to be
better about how we frame things and watching out for
these clickbaiters. I'm gonna have more for you guys on
all this stuff tomorrow. Appreciate you listening Broncos Country tonight
right here on Kawa
Short show post Rockies edition. Benjamin Allbright here with you,
and this show will mostly be a bit of a
draft extravaganza. Tonight and tomorrow will kind of get into
some of that stuff. Looking forward to our draft coverage
here on KOWA. On Thursday, I will be live with
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the with the fellas, UH, starting at what do we
do at three pm? I think Mountain time three pm, UH,
starting live then and we'll be all through the night,
will be all day Friday Saturday, geting us on KOWA.
Some of it if the Rockies are playing, will be
over on k how obviously you can catch us on
the stream. And I think we're gonna do some like
Facebook live stuff as well. Lots of content coming your way,
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Lots of stuff coming you guys way, looking forward to
UH to all of that. I get a lot of
questions this time of year about the mock draft. I
have completed it in pencil. I am giving myself until
noon tomorrow to sit with it, see if I'm happy,
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and then I'll submit it for publication. It'll publish at
about three thirty Mountain time, three thirty pm Mountain time,
and I'll be on the air sort of going over it.
Live with Ryan and Dave and Shelby Harris on KWAI
Sports tomorrow, So you guys want to tune in for
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that Broncos country tonight Tomorrow will be on a post
Rockies edition as well. So uh, just for those of
you need all the programming notes, there you go, five
six six nine zeros text line. Gonna get involved the conversation.
I had to promise the draft nuggets, and I didn't
really get a chance to get into those yesterday with
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Nick we had kind of a full show reacting to
Avs and Nuggets and all that kind of stuff as well,
so I didn't really get to get as as draft
heavy as I particularly wanted to. But we can get
into some of that today, and I'm gonna start with
the quarterback position first of all. What I figure I
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would go buy positions today and then by tomorrow I'll
try to go by sort of draft slots. We'll talk
a little bit about every aspect of that or every
angle of that, I guess over the next two days.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But I don't want to ruin the mock draft.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I mean, you'll get you you'll pick some things up, obviously,
some you'll you'll pick some of the things up as
far as this stuff goes. But I really don't want
to get too too far into matching up players team
because I want to do the draft roll out and
have fun with that here in a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You guys have to bear with me a little bit
on some of that.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
As well. So let's let's start with though. Let's start
with the quarterbacks. I think for most of you, I
think everybody knows cam Ward's going number one. If you
don't know that at this point, I don't really know
what to tell you. That's you know, that's been known
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for a while. I'm pretty sure I tweeted out in January,
so that's That's not something that I think is a
shocker or a surprise to anybody who has been pays it,
who pays attention to the draft. I think a lot
of people have a lot of people question where the
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next quarterback, who the next quarterback is, and where they're
going to go, And depending on who you ask, I
think that's either Jackson dart or Shad or Sanders. I
wouldn't say it's exactly an even split, but I would
say that of the people that I have talked to,
there is sort of a a narrative that it's one
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of those guys as the second quarterback pick, and they
they mostly believe that I didn't have. I get questions
all the time about Tyler shug And and Jalen Miller wrote,
nobody I know has either one of those two guys
as either a a first rounder or B the second
quarterback taken. In fact, nobody had them as the third
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quarterback taken that I spoke to. It doesn't mean it
won't happen, but again, nobody, nobody had either one of
those guys is uh as those kind of things I
think Tyler shug Is. It reminds me a little bit
of sort of the I don't know if you guys
remember t J. Yeats, but there was a ton of
hype about TJ. Yates, uh, you know, right up to
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the draft. Oh, this guy is is the sleeper or whatever,
and he wound up not you know, not even close
to being a first round or whatever else. And you know,
TJ course didn't exactly have the the world's greatest career
as a you know, as an NFL quarterback or the
talented guy I just you know, I mean, being a
quarterback in the NFL is difficult. He's going into you know,
coaching and everything now. So but everybody I talked to
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has one of two people, and that's either shud Or
Sanders or Jackson Dart as the second quarterback. And I
don't think either of those guys are going to go
in the first nineteen picks. And I'm using that number
deliberately because the Broncos pick at twenty. So I'll just
I'll use the first nineteen picks, you know, as it
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goes the Broncos at twenty. Why is that a possible
trade back spot for.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Teams.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, you've got Pittsburgh at twenty one. Obviously they have
a quarterback need. So if anybody believes that the Steelers
are on a quarterback or on their quarterback, then of
course they would need to get to.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Twenty in order to get their guy.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So I don't believe that either shd or Sanders or
Jackson Dart will go in the first nineteen picks.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I I'm not sure that anybody's going to trade up
to twenty to take Shitdo or Sanders. I'm not sure
that he's going to go to the Steelers at pick
twenty one. I would say the next spot if you're
looking for a if you're looking for a team to
trade up and get into quarterback, twenty is the first
I think landing spot. Twenty four I think would be
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the next spot. The Minnesota Vikings don't have a lot
of draft capital in this draft, and they are considered
a trade out spot. I think they would take anything
to multiply picks. They've got several needs they need to
address and just not very many picks in this draft
to be able to sort of do that. So I
would not be surprised at all if Denver or Minnesota
would be the trade out spots. Yes, I know, I
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saw and any of you who watched NFL Network last
night saw Ian Rappaport on The Insiders doing the Factor
fiction thing, and he mentioned my name in there. You know, Ian,
and I like and I hate it when people name drop,
but I'll let you guys in all the secret. You
and I talk quite a bit. Ian's a good friend
of mine. He's been a great mentor for me on
certain things. But he's a really good friend. And there
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were some people that took that seriously, and obviously it
was just good natured, you know, having some fun kind
of stuff. But I yeah, that that's I do not
believe the Broncos are trading up. I don't believe they're
trading up for a wide receiver. I don't believe they're
drafting a wide receiver at twenty. I maintain that if
I'm wrong on that, hey, I'll own it. But based
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on conversations I've had, I find that incredibly unlikely. Both
scenarios incredibly unlikely. We'll see how that goes. And Ian,
to his credit, when he was talking about that, very
specifically said, this is not sourced reporting.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
This is just me thinking.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Sean Dayton's here for the chaos is the gut, you
know kind of thing, and so I need everybody to
sort of take that with a great sell. I do
not believe the Broncos are trading up. I certainly don't
believe they're flying up the board for what was that?
I saw some nonsense out there today for Ashton Channy
at five or eight or whatever, or Travis Hunter. Those
are I mean, fun cool, that's that's some that's some
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Madden pipe dream stuff. But in reality, the the idea
that the Broncos have the ammunition to move up that
far is is just is absurd. Frankly, the biggest trade
ups in NFL history was a team moving fifteen to two,
and that was too and they traded up. Gosh, what
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was that? That was the was that the golf trade.
Now the golf was six to two. From six to two.
It took Washington to get RG three. It took them
what three total first rounders and a second rounder to
move four spots for a quarterback up into two. Trying
to get up there to the top five is already pricey.
Trying to do that from twenty, where you're in a
draft that doesn't have twenty blue chip players is impossible.
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It's not gonna happen. So the Travis Hunter people that,
I mean, that was I openly laughed at that, the
Ashton Jenny thing, Like, I'll say it a little bit differently,
so that so that I'm not being condescending because I
don't want to be kindesteading to people.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I just you know, I'm trying to be realistic and
inform here.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
The idea that the Broncos have the Ambletar trade to
eight or nine is not realistic.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
It's not I know.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
People have said, well, the Steelers and the trade to
ten ten. The Broncos initiated that trade. That's why it
didn't cost very much. The Broncos were willing to take
significantly less. They wanted the extra pick to be able
to get both rise in or and locked in the
second round, and they knew they could get to twenty
and get fat and so that was their whole plan,
and so they took a lot less that it would
normally take to move from twenty to ten. You can
look at, for instance, what it took for the Bears
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to move from twenty to twelve to go get justin field.
That is significantly more realistic than in these other trade packages.
I actually floated out there. There's exceptions to every rule,
but the reality is moving up in the draft is
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already it's expensive and it's inefficient. Most of the time
when you trade up, it does not work out. And
you go back and look at the myriad of teams
that are trade up in the first round and it's
just most of the time it does not work out.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
You very rarely get back.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
In productivity what you spent in asset class to get
up there. And the reality is the draft is all
about darts and dart throws and where the sweet spot
is how to maximize getting the maximum number of contributors
that you can't and so excuse me, So I think
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the idea that the Broncos would move up, I mean,
it goes against everything that I've heard all off season.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And I try to, you know, I mean, we do the.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Wet blanketing and whatever, and that's funny. But reality is,
I'm not trying to I'm not trying to downplay or
be down on the Broncos or whatever. What I'm trying
to do is generate a realistic expectation based on real information,
not wild speculative you know Twitter troll guy who's like,
you know, Caleb Johnson of the Broncos with a daily
countdown or whatever, and then deletes that when it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And by the way, I'm not suggesting Caleb Johnson the Broncos.
In fact, I do not think that he's coming to
the Broncos at all. But you know, it's it's one
of those things where it's funny to watch visceral reaction
to trying to be realistic about stuff. I tried to
be realistic coming back from the common We got great
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information at the combine. I mean, the Broncos essentially told
us what they were going to do, and I got
there on Twitter and I said, look, I think the
spens are going to be on the defensive side of
the ball. I think, you know, a safety, a linebacker,
maybe a slot corner. They didn't ultimately do that. I
know they want some depth on the d line that's
probably gonna come in this draft. And then on the
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offensive side of the ball. There's just two things that
they're they're kind of eyeballing to make spens on the
tight end position and possibly a veteran running back for
the room, and that that veter running back thing still
remains available.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
That's something that.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Would happen probably after the draft, whether it's you know,
if you're adding a Nick Chubb or a JK. Dobbins,
if if you were to add something like that, somewhat
of that caliber, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
It's not meant to be a huge spend on a
veteran running back.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I'm just saying you'd want an older voice in the room,
as it were. But we you know, we came back
and we said that and I emphatically tweeted out, the
Broncos are not after any of these high priced wide receivers.
They're not looking to make a big spend on wide
receiver in free agency or at the front of the draft.
I mean, Broncos Sourcing literally told us to our faces
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the same thing they ultimately told all of you guys
in the presser. They love their young wide receiving corps.
They've got big plans for our Mims in Veley and
to a lesser to give Franklin, but if he were
to take a leap, that would be that would be
a positive for them. But they've got big plans for
Devon Vley and Marvin Mims. And I do believe they'll
add a wide receiver body in this draft.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I do.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I just don't believe that it'll be Day one, probably
not day two either.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And so that's sort of the thing.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
When we we get to the week of the draft
and you start seeing stuff all over the place, you know,
here or there, and Broncos Country going all the flutter
because Ian got on there and I'm sorry, I'm laughing.
I know I shouldn't laugh and said that they might
be trading up for Matt Golden, like I mean, okay, well,
if you're doing that, and.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Here's my.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Here's my let's take it seriously for a moment conversation
on that. If the Broncos are taking Matt Golden, if
they were to trade up and draft Matt Golden, well,
first of all, you're giving up the assets that you
would need to get that second tier running back or
tight end. And then you're also moving up to get
a receiver that is forcing you to take someone else
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off the field. Right, you have to have five offensive linemen.
You only get eleven guys. Gotta have five offensive lineman
and a quarterback. Right, so we know who the offensive linemen are.
We know Boonux is a quarterback that takes six of
the eleven players that you can put on the field
at a time out of the equation right there. So
let's say you draft Mat Golden. All right, who are
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we taking off the field to put him on it?
Courtland Sutton, I don't think so. Matt Golden's not an
X receiver, He's a zuh And Courtland Sutton and Devon
Valley really are the only like X receivers you have
unless you think at Perry's gonna suddenly become that guy.
And I'll say this, despite all the jokes. That's not
something I expect. Michael Bandy, I think is still on
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the roster, and you know, but that's not okay. So
you're not taking Courtland Sutting off.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
All right. There's another thing.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
We're not going five wide all the time, so you
got to have a running back, so that running back
comes off. All right, So we've got the five offensive
lineman and Poe Nix, an ex receiver and a running back.
That's that only leaves three positions left on the field. Well,
you just spent that money on Evan Ingram and we
haven't mentioned a tight end, and we know Golden's not
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gonna play tight end. So are we just not going
to have a tight end out there altogether? Not probably
gonna be having Ingram? Right there you go. So now
we've got bon Nix, a running back, tight end, and
five offensive linemen. That's a at least three spots, Cortland
Sutton at least that's nine at.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Least two spots. So now you got two spots open.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
You got the Z receiver and you get the slot receiver,
and you guys, argument, the only argument I see here
is that we're somehow leaving vele who they have big
plans for again off the field. They've been using them
as a power slot in backup X or Marvin Mims,
who is this team's best vertical threat, the only vertical
threat really last year, and you want to and he
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got better every game, and so suddenly you want to
stilt and stop that production to bring in Matt Golden
and be redundant. There are scenarios where you could put
Golden and Mimes out there on the field, but that's
not what Sean Payton likes to do. He likes to
uar those bunches with two big receivers, a power slot
and maybe it does a moved out tight end or
whatever in an effort to block. They love to run
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those wide receiver screens behind that. And so to me,
it doesn't It just doesn't make sense from a fiscal responsibility,
a roster construction standpoint. There are a myriad of reasons
why it just doesn't make sense. And with all due
respect to to my good friend Ian, you know, and
he and I had been talking all day about this,
like him saying, him putting that out and then you know,
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going on TV and all that. None of that was
I mean, he and I had talks like it was
not a surprise, So with all due respects, that's not
what I believe is going to happen. So we come back,
we'll start to get into a little bit more of that,
get into some more.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Of these draft nuggets. Listen to Broncos Country and Night
right here on Ka.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But Albright here with you short show again post post
Rockies edition, be the same thing tomorrow night as well,
and then we'll have our full draft coverage starting Thursday
three pm. Mountain, myself, Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards, Rick Glow
is going to join us. Susie Ward has been doing
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some great feature pieces that we're going to include throughout
there with some of these guys, and they're pat to
the draft of sprinkle those about the coverage. Zach Seger
is going to be involved on on day three. Nick
Ferguson gonna be involved. So we're gonna have a jam
pack show. Everybody's going to be involved. We get a
lot of opinion on this kind of stuff and let
you guys know what we think is gonna happen. We'll
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let you know what happens and we'll react to how
wrong we all work. No, I'm kidding, but we hope
to have you guys along for the ride.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
It's more fun. Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
The draft is interesting because at its core, I mean,
you're reading names off a card, right, You're you're writing
names on a on a sheet of paper, reading names
off a card, and we still find ways to make
it fun, uh and exciting and and so for me,
I look forward to spending that time with you all.
We'll obviously be live on KOA and some of it
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will be on k how if we get bumped over
for Rockies, so I'll do my best to kind of
keep people updated on all that. You can always do
the stream on the Eye Radio app. I would recommend
downloading that personally.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Just because I think it. I think we'll always be
on the app if.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I'm not mistaken, even if the Rockies are on. I
think with geo fencing everything else, I think we'll still stream.
I think we'll still stream our draft coverage. So you know,
I could be totally wrong on that. They'll watch me
say that and then whatever. But download the iHeart app
and stream us that way. It's I think the best
most effective way to listen to the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
We were talking.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I was talking in the last segment about this idea
that Ian Rapport had cooked up yesterday, but the Broncos
maybe trading up for receiver. Why I don't think that
it's even feasible, let alone why it wouldn't make much sense.
I'm willing to hear debate or push back on it,
but I we're on the opposite side of the fence
on that one. And Ian, for his part, I mean,
(18:55):
he and I have been talking all day. We talked
a little bit today as well about you know, what
we think's going on and all that kind of stuff.
I do have a name, but I'm hanging out of
that for the mock draft. So I appreciate all the asks.
I appreciate everybody. Why won't you tell us, you know,
I'd just like to be a little bit I'd just
(19:16):
like to have a little bit more confirmation on that.
I should have that. Like I said, it should be
good to go. The mock draft has already filled that
in pencil. It'll be published tomorrow on the KO website.
I'll put the link up on Twitter, but it'll be
published tomorrow at right around three thirty, and then obviously
(19:37):
I will be on the air with Dave and Shelby
and Ryan to discuss the mock draft, so we'll get
a chance to We'll get a chance to look at
that and go over and break it down. You guys
can tell me what an idiot I am all that
kind of stuff, But I appreciate you guys being off
for the ride. It's the most fun I get to
have all year. We'll do the draft puzzle thingy on Thursday.
(19:59):
I'll put something out out there as well, so you know.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I think I think that, uh, we'll have a lot
of We'll have a lot of fun with that. I do.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
As far as the rest of the stuff goes, We've
been talking a little bit about the Broncos and feasibility.
You want to talk about a couple other things I've
talked about on Twitter, but I'll talk about.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Here as well.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Uh, terro a mcmillion is a very divisive prospect. There
are a couple of teams in the in the top
half of the draft that really like him, and most
of them really don't. I'm not buying the stuff at five.
We'll see, Like the Jags thing, I'm not really buying that.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
We'll see. I gotta call in just somebody down there,
So we'll figure that out. There's just not there. There.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
There's a couple of guys, and I don't mean to
pick on the state of Arizona, but there's a couple
of guys in this draft that media and fans are
way higher on, I think than just about every league
person I talked to. Maybe it's one Camp Scatabo is
the other, and I think anybody listens to this program
though I'm not super high on camp Scatibo. Like like,
I love watching him as a as a collegiate player,
(21:12):
but I just don't think the things that made him
good at the collegiate level necessarily translate to the NFL game.
And I do think there's a niche role for him
at the NFL level. I think Scatabo could be like
a third down back, you know, and and and sort
of his best role would be something like what Sean
(21:32):
Payton did with Samaj p Ryan. I just Scantabo's style
of running, which and he's not the same size or
speed as a Samaj p Ry p Rhyan was bicker
and faster, but his style of running it initiates contact.
It reminds you a little bit of I think of
Marion Barber in the way that you know, it seeks
to initiate contact, and those guys get ground down, like
(21:54):
they when you make him a primary back, like when
you have injuries and you make a guy like that
a primary back, they'll usually have like a game where
they are You're like, oh my god, wow, and they'll
run for you know, a buck twenty you know, in
that game and and and get two touchdowns or whatever,
and you're looking at this game you're like, oh my goodness, yes.
And then the next game they come back and get
that same load of carries and it's diminishing returns and
(22:16):
it continues to be the mistery tchurchs because they grind
themselves down and physical contact takes its toll. And for
a guy like Scatibo, I think is best served in
some sort of rotation a third down where you can
utilize his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield.
I don't believe I know he's not going day one.
I'm not sure he goes day two. I don't think
(22:36):
he goes day two. I think you're probably talking about
him and everybody will have him in their biggest steal left,
you know kind of thing on those Day three picks.
I think he's going to be one of those guys
that goes somewhere on day three. And I've maintained that,
you know, for well since the combine really, so you know,
this isn't some new opinion or anything. If you listen
(22:57):
to the show before, you know that. If you haven't, well,
you get caught up. Now millions another guy they you know,
you see some comparisons out there, and I hate comparisons
to begin with.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Everythink of Bridon knows that.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
But you see these comparisons out there to guys like
Mike Evans, and he's not anything.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Like Mike Evans.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
First of all, one of the things about a million
that bothershed me the listed forty time for him, he
ran his pro day.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
People.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
There are people here actually that are running with a
four to four eight number, which is not what he ran. U.
He ran like a four five eight on it ed
his pro day And I have no idea where that
four four eight number came from. It's not backed up
by the tape. He's not a separator, you know. He's
just a guy who's big and you know, sort of
out jumps people. And that's sort of been his calling card.
(23:45):
You know, I there's I know everybody's seen the video
about him talking about not watching Tay That' from a
few years ago. I'm not even I'm talking about that.
But I don't think he's He's a guy that loves football.
I think football is that means to an end for him.
And I think there's just some teams that are sort
of put off by that. Know, they if you're taking
somebody in the first round, you want somebody who's all in.
And that doesn't mean that he won't go in the
first round. I believe you will, just because somebody will
(24:06):
take a chance on that size. And there are teams
that you would think they could use that. You know,
Dallas needs somebody opposite cd lab whether that's Big Million
or Matt Golden whatever. You know, you look at the
Chargers and they desperately need another outside receiver outside of
(24:27):
Lad McConkey, who just carried the load last year. So
there are there are options. I think, uh in the
sense that that that he probably doesn't fall past at.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
The very worst Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
But I would say that he's another guy that you know,
you see stuff and fans talking about going fifth overall,
which again I'm not buying.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
If it happens, then I look like an idiot. Okay,
fair enough, but.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I I just I mean, you look at the tape
and I'm like, Okay, I see a guy outsizing people
at the college level. Not sure that's going to work
at the end NFL level, and I don't think that
the hype train on him matches. I'd much rather have, uh,
you know, a guy like Golden or the kid from
mohiuse State even than him because I think that they
can they can do more, and I think you can
(25:11):
use them better. I think there are people who have
made the mcmillion Sean Payton X receiver thing before. But
you've already got Courtland Sudden Devon Vele And if you
want a guy like that, I mean, you could get
the kid out of TCU, you know later, so with
without a much of a drop off in evaluation. So
those are things that I look at this and I'm like,
(25:32):
all right, these these ones don't make a ton of
sense to me. I got a lot of people talking
about Jalen Milroe because he got the invite to the draft,
and all of a sudden, people are assuming that that
means he's going to the first round. I don't believe
(25:56):
that again, based on conversation, I've had mill Roe's firmly
a Day two guy. In fact, I don't even think
he's going to be uh he'll be the fourth or
the fifth quarterback selected. I believe that, you know, again,
I've been wrong before.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I'll be wrong again.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
It's entirely possible that somebody is you know, it's fibbing
in there. That's you know, I don't literally talk to
every person in the league. I don't have those kind
of connections.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I do.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I am lucky enough to be able to talk to
some people. But I just I'm not buying the mill
Row hype. But if you've watched him throw, like I
get the tools, I get taken a chance on the tool.
But that's what you this what second and you know
Day two picks are four. You know, if you if
you've got the luxuries. So I'm not buying the jayln
Milroe in the first round conversation, I could very easily
(26:47):
see him going you know, Day two, but I don't
think that he goes ahead of Jackson Dart. I don't
think he goes ahead of Shade or Sanders. And there's
possibility that Tyler Show could ahead of him, although I'm
not really buying that. I think that again, we we
talked about it before the sug hype. To me, I
do believe he's gonna go day two. But that's one
of those things that reads like a bunch of teams,
(27:08):
you know, mentioned in something and then media running with
it and all wanted up at each other, and the
next thing you know, you're talking about this guy in
the first round where he has no business having his
name mentioned. And so I think that's I think that's
the thing some other some other dudes and notes. I
do believe it'll be three running backs in the first round.
I do believe Ashton Janty, We've talked about Omrio Hampton,
(27:30):
and Trevion Henderson. At all three of those guys I
believe are going to go in the first round. So
when somebody's asking the other day about the over two
point five backs, prop bet yeah. I have taken on
that head ticket on that for a while. I do
believe those three will go in the first round. As
far as quarterbacks, I could see it being one. I
believe it'll be three going in the in the first round.
(27:52):
We'll see how that shakes out. We talked a little
bit about the trade back spots Denver and Minnesota, kind
of those those trade back spots for people as far
as true eating activity. It's funny you had Ryan Poles
come out today and say that he thinks it's gonna
be a crazy day and they're gonna be trades all
over the place. And then you have John Lynch comes
out and say, I don't think that anything's gonna happen.
I think that a bunch of teams want to trade
(28:12):
back and they're not finding buyers. So I think that's
It's fascinating to me because you have two general managers
picking in close proximity, very close proximity to each other
in the draft, who have opposite feelings on what this
draft in the first round could look like. This is
interesting to me because there's not a lot of blue
(28:34):
chip talent purple sticker talent, So to me, that lends
that the idea that there might be more trading because
once teams get those players, if one falls or teams
have wildly different boards because they have different grades on
the guys in that second tier.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
To me, that suggested that there could be more trading.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
In terms of trying to jockey for position to go
get a certain guy or making sure you get you
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
But who knows. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I do expect the over on six point five offensive
lineman in the first round. In fact, I expect a
lot offensive linemen to go a lot earlier than most
people have them mocked in the mock drafts. Today was
the first day. It was today's Tuesday, Monday. Yesterday was
the first day I even looked at mock drafts, just
to you know, as I put my initial thoughts down,
then I kind of look to see where I stack
(29:24):
up amongst some other people. And yesterday was the first
day I've even looked at anyone's mock draft out there
all season. And I will say I believe offensive linemen
are probably going earlier than most people have had them
listed as of yesterday. Now, I had a couple of
questions about the Saints. I do not believe they're on
(29:45):
a quarterback at nine. I think that's probably going to
be an edge player. Well, we'll sort of see.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
It could be offensive line, but that one, to me
feels like an edge player. Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
There's a couple of players, uh, and and positions inside
the teams there that I think I've got a good
pulse on in terms of being edge guys, the Colts.
I think everybody's projecting Colst and Loveland there. That's probably correct.
There are some teams that are not happy with his
medicals on his shoulder. So that's that's something that you
(30:23):
know to sort of keep your eye on.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
You know, just because some teams have a med hold
on a guy or flagging a guy whatever, doesn't mean
everybody does. And just because some teams don't like a
guy doesn't mean everybody like. That's the thing with like,
for instance, million Is there are there are definitely like
two or three teams that like him, uh, and then
there are definitely, like I know of ten plus teams
that don't. And so you know that that sort of
(30:51):
creates that that sort of disparity when you when you
start adding that stuff up and looking around at the
mixture on some of these boards. That's where these these
wild variances come from. And why I talk about you know,
why a team could be more active trying to trace
just because the variance is all over the place with
some of this stuff, and you want to.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Make sure you get your guy.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I know everybody claims they get their guy, but you
want to actually get your guy in a lot of
these cases. So again, as far as trade ups go,
I know the Panthers want out at eight. They want
to move back. I'm not sure they're going to be
able to, but we'll see. There are a couple of
(31:30):
you know, the Broncos are team that, you know, I
know everybody's starting to say they're you know, but they
just made calls like this is the other thing that
it bothers me, And so I'm gonna go on a
little tangent here for a second. This is one thing
that bothers me, I think most of all in this
business and trying to cover things.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
The Broncos want to know the price tag of everything.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And they get used a lot to help leverage against
other teams. And they're fine with that. They're okay with that.
They don't they don't mind that at all. They want
the perception that they're in on everything no matter what,
even if they aren't. But like, for instance, these receivers
like they were not in in any way on Deebo Samuel,
and you had multiple people out there trying to claim
(32:09):
that they were. Uh, they were not inning on Cooper
cop in any way, and you have multiple people that
trying to claim they were. Now, Sean Payton had a
conversation with Cooper cop That was the Friday I think
before or two fridays before he wound.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Up signing with Seattle. There's just a brief conversation. Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
The Broncos absolutely called the Rams to get a price
on what that was. They absolutely called San Francis to
get a price on Deebo Samuel And yeah, they've been
calling in the draft to get the price tag on things.
And you know why you do that because what if
the unthinkable happens. We're all sitting here right now saying
there's no way Ashton Janathee falls out of the top ten, right,
but what if, for whatever reason, the unthinkable happens. You
(32:44):
get a bong mask on draft night. You know, there's
some rumor spreads around nobody can verify, and he starts
slipping and you want to you're confident in your evaluation
of the guy, so you want to know the price
tag to get up to this what responsible teams and
responsible general managers do. And the Broncos do that, and
then everybody turns it into a thing all Broncos are
(33:06):
looking to trade up. I maybe they do, but the
conversations that I've had since dating back to the Senior
Bowl two weeks before the Combine were all consistent and
that that was.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Probably not likely. That's not really the direction they're going.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Honestly, they'd like to move backwards and get more picks
in that you know, early second round era where they
feel like it's a sweet spot. The idea that they
would be moving up is just is this anithetical to
what it is they've.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Told me now? Is everything they told me always one
hundred percent accurate.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
They've derivated from things they've told me before, I'll say that,
but generally they're honest. At least it's not dishonest. So
I again, that goes against everything that they've said so far.
It goes against everything about the wide receiver room. I just,
you know, maybe I'm wrong. I just I don't see
it and going with that, and and no, the Broncos
(33:57):
are not, you know, trying to There's a difference between
calling and getting the price and also actively trying.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
To move up.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Those are two different things. So we need to be
better about how we frame things and watching out for
these clickbaiters. I'm gonna have more for you guys on
all this stuff tomorrow. Appreciate you listening Broncos Country tonight
right here on Kawa
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