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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Producing Rockies lose again ten to two to the Boston
Red Sox and have now fallen to twenty one and
seventy two on the season, setting a new low water
mark for futility for the franchise. Uh just yeah. Antonio
sends a Tello. The losing pitcher three and thirteen now
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on the season five innings pitched eight hit, four runs,
all four of them, earned a walk, three strikeouts, and
gave up two homers as well. The winning pitcher for
the boat SOCKX Lucas Giolito six and one on the season,
six innings pitch four hits, no runs, none earned obviously,
six ks, no homers, one point two to three whip
out of that as well. Jorge Alcala came on for
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an ending of relief in him and Isaiah Campbell closed
it out in the final two for the boast SOCKX,
Ryan Rolinson, Tyler Kinley, Seth Halverson and Jimmy hrget all
got time as well. Halverson did not record it out
and allowed five runs, all five of them earned and
a walk, two of.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Those home runs as well.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Rockies got it to within five to two in the
top of the eighth and then Halverson came on and
gave up five runs and as we see yet again,
the Rockies losing big now ten to two. On the
hitting side of things, Kyle Farmer got a home run
for the Rockies. Rockies had eight hits, two for Freeman,
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to for Beck, to for Tolia, one for Yan Kilfernandez,
one for Kyle Farmer.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Obviously that was the home run.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
They had no stolen bases and no walks, struck out
seven times. The Red Sox had fifteen hits, four homers,
homers from Duran Abrau Navarez and Romy Gonzalez. They walked
three times and only struck out five.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Rockies left three on base. Po Sox left six on base.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And the Rockies have a day off tomorrow before they
continue their road trip, which I believe is against Cincinnati.
After that, we'll have that right here, Yeah, at Cincinnati,
we'll have that right here on KOA on Friday, same
bat time, same bat channel for that one. Expected pitchers
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in that for the Rockies r Mon Marquez three and
ten on the year of five point eight four ERA
and Chase Burns full of reds Owen one with an
eight point one ERA, and we'll see if the Rockies
are able to pick up some wins against the forty
seven and forty six CINCINNETI.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Retz Zach fingers crossed. You know, they're back to a
rough historic pace here. You know, the third worst start
through this many games in MLB history right now tied
for first with the nineteen oh seven Saint Louis Cardinals
in nineteen oh four Washington Senators. Only the nineteen sixteen
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Philadelphia Athletics and the nineteen eleven Boston Rustlers have had
worse than ninety three game starts. Story team.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, I've got my Boston Rustlers jersey hanging on to that.
Wonder if I wonder if there's any kind of Is
there some company that makes the throwbacks for those teams?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I gotta be there's a company that definitely makes its
obscure throwback teams like I've seen the obscure like Japanese
throwback uniforms. I don't know if one exists for the
Boston Rustlers. Excuse me, but I'll look that up right now.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I wonder if the Rockies can get to twenty five
wins by the month of August.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
How many games do they have between now and then?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I've got a few. I mean, it's, uh, what do
they get to nine twelve fifteen games between now and then?
Do you gotta get four wins in fifteen games?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But four and eleven would be a heater for this team,
would be an absolute scorcher for this team.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I would fade winning a winning pace unparalleled over the
course of the season.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I'm rooting for it, especially with the draft pick situation.
I mean, the Rockies aren't benefiting at all from this season.
They can't have a pick inside the top ten and
next year's MOB draft, you know, once the season wraps up,
so might as well root for them to win as
many games as possible, and it'd be nice for them
to hit somewhat of a hot streak. Even if that
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hot streak hot streaks four and eleven.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
But did In perspective, they are three and twelve in
their last fifteen games, so they would not hit that
mark based on their last fifteen games.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Their last and their last fifteen have been better than
they've done for They gotta win.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
They gotta win over Milwaukee, they gotta win over Houston,
they gotta win over the White Sox.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You can find nineteen eleven Boston Wrestler's merch.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
By the way, can you yes? Is it like primitively
expensive or what is a what does a jersey go for?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Just out of curiosity, the jerseys are this is a
rip off site. Jerseys look laughable, they have like a
hat or anything. New jerseys are like football jerseys. Don't
get away back, give away do it that? Never mind?
Then never mind.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I was gonna toss a uh, I was gonna toss
a business abone there, but I guess I can't. Really
this is this is bananas b A n A n
as just saying this is like like I I sit
here every night and I get on here and I
lament and I grouse about how bad this team is
because it's the only way that I can cope, right
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that and continuing to bet on them to lose and
printing money. But I'm not supposed talk about that, So
there you go.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It seems like a solid investment strategy.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I'm just saying, like, if I'm gonna be invested, I
might as well be invested in a way that at
least UH is profitable. It is UH five six, six
nine year olds text line, You guys want to send
a text involved in conversation.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Got NFL six back coming up out of the hour.
We'll get you a news break about eight twenty nine
right here on ka way, Uh three oh seven.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Starts off saying, I know a couple of players are
showing signs of life. Can you see any bright spots
for the organization? Well, I mean Hunter Goodman certainly has
been a bright spot, a lone bright spot. Probably Tyler
Freeman to a lesser degree, although he's he's hit pretty
well of late, especially Uh, there's there's been a couple
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of things there.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
But yeah, it's been rough. You know.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Jake Bird was probably I would say had been probably
the best pitcher on the team all season. Tyler Freeman
has really been hitting well. Uh, Hunter Goodman has been
hitting well. Estrada has been hitting, uh, hitting pretty well.
Maniac Wash was hit with a little bit of power
for a minute there, you know totally when he came
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back up from he got demoted to triple A ball,
he brought him back up. He want a little mini
heater coming out of that that promotion, but has been
largely dormant since. And that's sort of the thing. Totally
is good for the power, But I mean he's a
two zero three hitter. You know, he's a two hundred hitter,
and that's not yet done, especially first base. Let's just
not get it done. You know, there are aside from
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Aside from Freeman, I mean, Jordan Beck gets on base
a little bit, Ryan mcmahonet's on base a little bit,
but McMahon's batt into town.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
He just gets a lot of walks. You know.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Jordan Beck is just hitting a little bit better. He's
hitting with two sixty three on the season, ten homers.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's not bad.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Anna Goodman, I mean betten two eighty and seventeen homers.
That's that's that's that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, Hunter Goodman looks like an exciting young piece for
the team. I think Freeman's batten three forty on the season,
and he's one of their more appealing trade options. Yeah,
him and Jake Bird who you mentioned. And you know,
for a Rockies team that looks like they have to
do a pretty full scale rebuild, it's good to know
that their best trade assets are looking good because they're
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gonna need to turn those trade assets into prospects, into
draft picks, into something to try and say this team
out better for the future.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Vodnik and Bird have have pitched pretty well this year
for the most part of a Bird gave up those runs,
Uh it was a couple of games ago. But he's
you know, they they've been mostly uh, mostly played well.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Bird's got with ten holes on the season. And and
as you.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Mentioned, probably a probably a trade candidate, Halverson has got
eight saves on the season.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
But you know, as a closer, I mean he's got
over a four e R.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
That's that's not where you want that, uh, And that's
that's been a bit of a problem. You know, Zach
Agnels and other guys who's got a few saves this year,
but in the whip is lower than Halverson's.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But you're talking about five one nine e R. That's
that's just that's just not getting it done, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
And then you you know, you look at the starting
pitchers and it's it's been a who's who of not
great you know baseball overall. Marquez is three and ten
on the season since the Tel three and twelve on
the season. Both those guys well north of you know,
five eight four and sixty five seven e ras. Uh.
The one guy that I thought showed some signs of
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life even though he was two and nine. Chase Dollander
they sent him back down, which I believe they did
that for contractual reasons. You know, the baseball with the
accrude seasons and all that kind of stuff. I believe
that's why they sent him. They sent him back down. Uh,
And it's not, but it's not just the starting pitching.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
You got like.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Fifteen blown saves this year. You know, you had save
opportunities and you blew it fifteen times. That's bad, especially
when you're you know, your your total your team total
on saves to sixteen. That means when you're in a
save situation about fifty percent of the time the Colorado
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Rockies are blowing it in save situations. Fifty percent they
get in a save situation, they get that means.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
A lead a save situation, and they blow it. And
your point about it not just being starting pitching. Their
team eer is worse than the MLB at five point
sixty six yea, which is unreal. They've got several pitchers
right now over six it's and you know the Rockies
teams of I feel like the mid to early twenty
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tens they had some real pitching problems but they had
they were stacked with great hitters, and so they were
able to kind of offset that with a lot of
blowouts even later, I guess on in the twenty tens.
It's just not happening for this team right now on
either end, and it's it's the reason they sit where
they're at with their record.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, I would say Bird Vodnik maybe it's a lesser
degree Mehia have been decent this year.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
But beyond that, I mean, it's just tough. I mean,
it's just one of those It's one of those things
where you look over this roster and you want to
find bright spots.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
You want to you want to find something to be like,
all right, well they knock out loud right now.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
But and my.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Problem with that is is that there's just nothing to
follow the butt with. As I sit there and I
watch game after game, and I jokingly put the same
you know, standing bet every game on the Rockies to lose,
and I you know, as I collect this dirty money
that against I'm just sitting here like.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well, at least I'm getting something out of this. Another
depressing pitching stat here opposing batters, like the team batting
average allowed is point two nine five, nearly a three
hundred hitter. Twenty ninth in the MLB is at point
how much the worst nine? No, no, no, the Rockies
are thirtieth oh, twenty ninth is at point twenty six ninth,
so a point zero two sixth gap there. The gap
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between the Rockies and twenty nine place is the same
as I think you're twenty nine or twenty ninth. They're like,
there's no worst pitching staff in the Rockies.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I've been paying attention to baseball this year and I've
not seen so Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
The gap between the Rockies and twenty ninth is the
same as the gap between twenty ninth and fifteenth.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Okay, that to put in how how impressively bad they are.
The difference between the fifteenth worst team in the middle
of the road baseball teams of average allow Yeah, and
the second to last team is the same as the
difference from the second to last team to the last team.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Which is the Rockies.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yes, that is laughably horrible. I don't even know what
to do with that. I really, I truly don't know
what to do with that. I said, are are the Rockies?
The Cleveland Browns? Of baseball.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Maybe, but the Browns and the Rockies have struggled. But
the Browns were at the bottom for so long, and
the Rockies, you know, they I guess they've had three
straight one hundred losing seasons, but they or one hundred
game losing seasons.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
The last time the Rockies went to the playoffs. Man,
it did it feels like five Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Fairy, And they don't have many appearances since October. That's
really since. I think they've only got like four or
five appearances, and that's nearly twenty years. So maybe they
might be like the Browns or the Detroit Lions or something.
They got to find their day Campbell, the Jacksonville Jaguars
of baseball. There's no Trevor Lawrence walking through that door.
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That might be a better comp that or the Browns work.
Because to your point yesterday or the day before about ownership,
the ownership has been willing to spend. It's just been
at the wrong places, which also been the case with Cleveland,
also been the case with Jacksonville's. And that's the thing again,
I said this last night because everybody's likes, Oh, they
need to get new ownership.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Okay, I hear you on that sort of, but I
beg to disagree just a little bit. I don't know
that they need new ownership. They need current ownership to
get rid of the baseball people. And the reason that
I say it that way again, as I said repeatedly
on the show, Dick Montfort has created an enjoyable fan experience.
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You go to the ballpark and have fun. There's a
reason people keep coming out to the ballpark. He's created
an enjoyable experience. That's part of being an owner is
creating a great fan experience. Right the area around downtown.
He's built that up. It's it's fun. It's fun to
go that that that district. I used to live down there.
The ballpark is fun, the party deck all this, it's
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a fun place to go. The problem is the baseball people,
and they keep shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic
and and they don't ever bring somebody from the outside
in to say, look, this is where you're blowing it,
this is where you're messing this up.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
We got to fix this.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And I've I've gone over My solution, go over there
and get the uh. The Greg Popovich of Japanese baseball.
Hedeki Kurayama, he's not doing anything now. He just recently
retired from managing. Go go bring him in as a
consultant and allow him to look over this organization. This
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is the guy who uh brought up Shohiotani and turned
him into what he is. And he's he's had many
of the great Japanese players that have come and migrated
the US game.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
He was that due.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He was also a dominant manager in Japanese baseball too.
But he's he's that dude. Go get that guy. Go
get a brilliant baseball mind that is outside of the
culture that you have and bring it into to come
in here and put input on And I understand that Montfort,
that you've got a loyalty to Rockies culture.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
But the problem is the culture stinks, the team stinks. Yeah,
the culture's been decayed at this point. You need some
You need an injection of fresh life, some fresh ideas
from a different organization right now to turn the clever around.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
There is there and promoting your son Walker Montfort is
not going to radically change what's going on here unless
he's empowered to make those changes. And we'll see, We'll
see if that brings that. Jack Oregon was certainly optimistic
about the possibility that he would bring in fresh idea
and fresh blood.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
But it's embarrassing, you know. I talk to people around
town all the time about this.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Every chance I get, because everybody knows KOI is a
home of the Broncos, it's a home of the bus
and it's a home of the Rockies.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Everybody knows that. And with those other franchises or in
the Buffs case, college teams, even the CSU Rams football
team is looking up as all the other teams in
the region start looking better playing better ball. It only
puts and of course the Rockies season being so especially
bad is putting it under a microscope too. But you know,
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the Avs are borderline contenders. The Nuggets are absolutely contenders.
The Broncos are. Yeah, it's just the Buffs have so
much buzzer around them. And then you've got the Rockies
here just really struggling to get by three oh.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Seven says they want a Cleveland Spiders jersey with Dave
Logan's number.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
There you go, supple hand day.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Was Dave was drafted by the I think it was
the Cincinnati Reds. Day's one of very few people who
was drafted by Major League Baseball, the NBA and the
na FELL.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I think it was, if I'm.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Not mistaken, I think it was the Kings he was drafted.
Buy a Basketball, And I think it was the Reds
he was drafted.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Buy a Baseball. I'd have to go back and look
good memory of Kansas City Kings in the NBA and
nineteen seventy two MLB drafts. She was selected by the
Cincinnati Reds in the thirtieth round.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
There you go, Yeah, Dave was drafted. Done in three sports.
I wanted to put together. I wanted to do that.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I haven't. I haven't.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
It's been a thing I've been wanting to do and
I just haven't gotten around to doing it. I should
have done it for his anniversary here at KOA, which
was just just a few few days back. But I
wanted to put together like a three jersey deal, you know,
get a throwback casey Kings, you know, each with the
draft number where he was selecting his actual number like
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the Browns, you know, like but where he was selected,
you know, put those in there, or maybe find his
old baseball and basketball numbers, put those together and put
put that on there.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That'd be a great what you usually drafted by the Kings. Again,
let me get the year on that. It was nineteen
seventy two for baseball. I don't know if it was
the same for no. I think it was later for
basketball because I think he was. I think he was
drafted in a high school for baseball. Maybe maybe I'm
wrong on that. Again, I could be wrong. It was
out of high school for baseball. Yeah, nineteen seventy six, Yeah,
drafted by the Kansas City Kings, ninth round. Okay, so I.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Did, uh, and that my NBA two k uh. You
can go go throwback eras and plays like the eighties teams.
So I but people have made draft classes going back
further so you can get like Maravich and all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
And I yeah, Dave Logan's in the draft class for
the one of those. And he has like a mustache
and a mullet like the little digital Dave Logan. You've
got to turn him into a superstar. Stay on the bench.
I just made him stay on the bench just because
just a spike.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I did pay guys for geting those Game seven stakes. Yeah,
I did send him. Yeah, right, I was like, oh,
steak dinners. Huh, see how you like the bench. Dave
Logan noways, enjoy those dinners on that I did show
him the little digital picture. He kind of laugh at
it because it looks like it has like the porn
stash and like the long like you know, like the
long hair Steve Nash mullet thing going on. Like it's yeah, anyway,
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it's it's fine. I'll have to find in that picture
so that I can so that I can do that.
Five six six nine zero is the tax line. Somebody
says the Washington Generals just like Course Field, great ballpark
to watch other teams come in.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
That's sad, it's it's brutal, but the ballpark's great. Something
you also highlighted yesterday though, the fan experience element is fantastic. Yeah,
if you're going to.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
If you're going to complain about ownership and you're going
to say they need to be a replaced, you have
to take all things into account. And what I will
say is this ownership isn't cheap. They spend they provide
a great fan experience. So two of the three ten poles,
Dick Monford is covering. It's the third one getting the
right baseball people in here to run this thing that
has been the problem, and we continue to harp on it,
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you know. I mean I could just sit here and
tell on blue in the face talking about it. I'm
sure nobody wants to hear about that anymore. They wanted
to no one to hear me grousing about it anymore.
What else am I going to do. We're in the
dead of baseball only season, and our only respite from
the Rockies losing is going to be the All Star
break where they can't lose while they have days off.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Theoretically, it'd be cool to see Hudter Goodman there, you know,
maybe he can he can give that could be the
highlight of the Rocky season. Honestly, if he goes to
the All Star Game has a great game. I remember
Elias Diaz a few years back doing something similar where
he represented the Rockies at the All Star Game and
had a pretty great performance if I'm remembering correctly, and
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I was kind of like the highlight of the season,
either like the walk off home run or something like
that to win it.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
That could be wrong on that, but yeah, there's been
moments like that, and Goodman again Hunter Goodman, Tyler Freeman.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Those have been the lone bright spots, as it were.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You've had a little bit out of backer Doyle here
or there, you know, totally hitting a home run here
or there.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But I mean, I don't, I don't know. Just just
lose in the way that they continue to lose is just.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Soul crushing, you know. I mean it's not They're not
even competitive a lot of times. The games that they
win are usually the third game in home stands because
other teams are just trying to get out of there
and mail it it in, like go back and look,
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I'm dead serious on this. The games that they usually
win are the third game in homes, the last game
of the homestand or teams are mailing it in just
trying to get out of there. Their last two wins
are literally the last game of a home stand against
a team that's brutal. It's rough to think that their
record might be inflated any That's it again. It has
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been one of the tougher schedules in all of baseball
to this point. You know, hopefully it gets a little
easier down the stretch. Now it can only get so
much easier and they're to vision. But in fact, the
only game in the last twenty that they've won, and
they've only won four was at Milwaukee, which was the
last game of an awaye stand that they won in
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which Milwaukee, you know, was kind of mailing it in.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
They won that one four to three.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Most of most of their wins, though, tend to come
in the last game of home stands when teams are
mailing it inn't trying to get out of there. Happened
against the Giants back in June, happened against Houston recently,
the White Sox recently.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
That's just they win when teams.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Are trying to get out of town or are mailing
it in to get out of town.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I don't know, it's rough, but it's frustrating. If that
pattern holds, they would not hit your twenty five game mark,
but now August they'd only get to twenty three.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
They might win that game on Sunday against the Twins,
though in that particular case one I potentially could be yet,
so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That's well for you. Well, I you know, I haven't been
a Rockies game this year.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Figured I shake the us off and try to get
out there. I mean I'm put myself together like a
four day weekend that weekend because we obviously training camp
starts the following week, you know for the Broncos, and
you know how that goes. Whenst training camp starts, we
work six days, seven days. Yeah, it's you know, it's
just over so at that point, so you know, life
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gets gets that kind of busy.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
So I'm trying to put I'm trying to put together.
So we'll see. We'll see how that goes. Five six,
six eyes zero. Here's the text lines.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Somebody said Dave Logan Dave Winfield the only two individuals
to be drafted in the NFL NBAM will be.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I don't think that's correct.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I think there were two other individuals that fall into
that category.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I'm not one hundred on that.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I'm pretty sure that one of the guy's name was Mickey,
and I can't remember his last name. I want to
say there are four guys who have been drafted by
those three sports. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on that.
Five six six nine zeros to text line. We got
a news breaking up here in just a minute. I
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want to get into we'll have an NFL six pack.
We come back a little bit later on. I want
to get into the NFLPA is appealing the ruling that
they had, the collusion ruling, and we went over that
and I'll go over it in detail on the show.
But the NFLPA is going to appeal that, and my goodness,
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after all that stuff's built out the confidentiality agreement and
everybody's upset. Now they're trying to appeal it, which to me,
I don't think they can because the ten day window's gone.
But we'll see their filing one anyway, and we'll see
how that works out.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I have sixty six nine zero. He's the text line.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
You guys want to get involved in the conversation, guys
and gals.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
We have some gals texted into a lot of.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Stuff going on here. I do want to get to uh,
we'll get to it. After the six pack. A Vikings
player got ripped off for a quarter million dollars by
scam artists.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Thinking uh, scam was it?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Basically they ran the and I'll get into this with
you guys here at the top of the hour, but
basically they ran the I'm a representative from Chase Bank
and somebody is trying to pretend to be you here.
This is obviously not you, as we have your number here.
So they got his phone number somehow, we're doing it
that way. And then they got him to transfer money
into his fraudulent business accounts that they had control of. Uh,
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And he didn't even realize he'd been ripped off. He
just transferred the money. That was that, and then he
relayed the story the next week to family members. Happened
back in February. He relaid the story to family members that, dude,
I think you got ripped off. You've better check on
that money. It was, of course gone, and the police
have only managed to recover like twenty five hundred of
it so far.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
They got some suspects, they haven't charged it yet.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
But anyway, I'll get into all the details on that
top of the hour. Let's get the FL six pack
right now.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
It's time for the NFL six path. I'm going to
trade a lot of beer insight and insight information you
can't find anywhere else. Noadlines what players one hundred through
eighty five of the NFL's top one hundred players list
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have been revealed so far, ninety through eighty five being
announced this week. Earlier this week, talked about Zach Allen
coming in at ninety. After him, it's James Cook at
eighty nine, Andrew Van Ginkle at eighty eight, Quinnin Williams
at eighty seven, Laramy Tunssel at eighty six, and Karen
Williams at eighty five. Do you have any general takeaways
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about those six players and where do you think Zach
Allen should rank among those six players? Well, yeah, this is.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I mean, without knowing who all is ahead of them,
Karen Williams seems absurdly high, and Zach Allen and Andrew
Van Ginkles seem absurdly low. Van Ginkle's a hell of
a football player. And I think we all know what
Zach Allen could do. Those guys being that low seems
absurdly low to me personally ever, and was crazy. Yeah,
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then I don't even understand James Cook, you know, Quin Williams,
Laramie Tut's okay fair, But Zach Allen and Andrew Van
Ginkle this low.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I mean, Ben Ginkle is a guy.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Probably having the fifty range, you know, Zach Allen's a
guy and having probably the sixties range if you were
stacking things up. So it's gonna be interesting to me
to see exactly who's getting in it and him and
why in the world do you have Kart Williams on
this list that I don't even think he's a top
hundred player.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, he really dropped off last year and it seems
like he might be in trouble again this year. Now,
we were saying the same thing last season and he
ended up continuing to be the bell cow. But that
one was very surprising to me. Notably, he was left
off a different running back ranking. We'll get to later
in the six pack.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Okay, yeah, I just I mean, that's one that just
I mean, I don't know, that's one that blows my mind.
Is an unproductive running back And you're saying, as a
top hundred player in the league, why so would you
say you saw.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
This one again?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
The NFL hund who votes on this, the players, okay,
getting the rams voted for him to get him in there.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
They get it. Yeah, it's an assortment of I think
two hundred, three hundred sum players, maybe even more than that,
and they ask for their top twenty so they try
and estimate who a top you know, four hundred should
be gotcham and then give in or ballots to all
those players, they all vote on who, so those gets
So all the Rails Rams buddies voted for him. Yeah,
and you would think the Rams might have a lot
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of ballots. Yeah, it must be.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Two.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
ESPN's annual sourced rankings of the top ten players at
each position unveiled their list of edge rushers today. Nick
Benito notably failed to make the list. He was included
as an honorable mention though do you think Benito was snubbed?
And where do you think he'll rank, if at all
this time next year? I can give you the list
if you need it.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Uh, Nick Benito was not ranked as a top ten
edge rusher. That's that you're saying, who was the top ten?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Then the top ten? Here? Oh one second, maybe I
need to get it back up.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I screwed that up, Okay, because I'm like I, as
I said here, I can't fathom the scenario in which
the third leading sack artist in the NFL is somehow
not a top ten edge rusher.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
The top ten Miles Garrett one, TJ Watt at two,
Micah Parsons at three, Max Crosby at four, Nick Bosa
at five, Trey Hendrickson at six, Aiden Hutchinson at seven,
Quill Anderson Junior at eight, daneil Hunter at nine, and
Jared Vers at ten. And to your point, Zach Allen,
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you know, one of the knocks against Nick Benito was,
you know how great Zach Allen was next to him,
maybe opening some things up for him. This same panel
of voters had Zach Allen as an honorable mention in
this same thing, keeping him out of the top ten.
So then, who was responsible for all the pressures the
Broncos were creating? Less? Right? Let me go back to
that real quick, because I thought, I think.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
It has heard you. You said that Jared Verse not
to keep picking on the rams. Jared Verse was in
the top ten. Jared Verse was in the top ten.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
His highest ranking among the panelists was panelists was six.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Jared Verse had four and a half sacks last year.
Nick Benito had fourteen and a half. It was very
shocking to me too. I mean, he won Defensive Rookie
of the.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Year, but.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
He's a good player. But productivity wasn't there. What is
this ranking based on NFL scouts?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
The NFL people came to Broncos seemingly seemingly. Okay, come on, like,
this is ridiculous. I'm not saying Nick Benito has to be.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
At the top of the list, but Nick Benito was
the third most productive pass rusher in the NFL last year.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
And oh, by the way, he chipped in a.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Pair of forced fumbles, a fumble, recovery interception, a seventy
one yard touchdown off of that.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I had this. This is ridiculous. Oh, put this list
out again, Jeremy Fowler. But again it's sourced from inside
NFL people, execs, outs and coaches.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
What did they view every they they got ballots from
everybody that hates Vance Joseph.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, all advanced Joseph and Sean Payton's enemy three. What
an absolute Joe Karen Verse. What a joke? Now they were.
The Broncos also missed out on the running back rankings.
That one A little less surprise surprising things. That list
is Saquon Barkley at one, Derrick Henry at two, jamiir
gives it three, Jon Robinson it for Christian McCaffrey at five,
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Josh Jacobs at six, Jonathan Taylor at seven, James Cook
at eight, Joe Mixon at nine, and Alvin Kamara at ten.
Notably Karen Williams. We were just talking about not on
that list. Yeah, what is the biggest surprise to you
of that top ten? And do you think there are
any exclusions from that list that should qualify as snubs?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I mean, Kiren was seventh in rushing yardage and had
fourteen touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Was Chuba Hubbard on that list? Because he should have been.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
He was one of the lone bright spots for a
Carolina Panthers team that couldn't do anything. Cheba Hubbard. He
missed two games and still finished eighth in the league
in rushing total.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
He had ten touchdowns. Chuba Hubbard received votes but wasn't
even listed as an honorable mention?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
He was?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Was Bucky Irving an honorable mention? Honor? He was an
honorable mention? He was like the first guy left off.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Okay, because those those two names seemed like the most
obsceen me. Was Josh Jacobs the other day I missed
that one.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yes, Josh Jacobs came in at six highest drinking of three,
lowest drinking ten. Okay, all right, that's what I'm just
looking at that.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I'm like, man, Chuba Hubbard, not being on there is
a little weird to me. That's one that you said
Mixon was and James Cook was Cook Cook Cook played
sixteen games, only had one thousand nine yards. Then how
about Kamara know Hubbard? Hubbard played two fewer games, played
a fewer a whole less game, and had two hundred more.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yards and really rough offensive ECAs is the Carolina That's
what I'm saying, Like, guess the thing.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I mean, Chubahubbard was doing all this stuffs, not like
James Cook doesn't have other people Josh Allen to draw
defenses away.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Chob of Harvard was the Panthers offense. Do you think
Kamara belongs in the top ten? Still? That was the one.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
That's really I mean, he only played fourteen games, but
I think he's in there because it's the multifaceted part
of it with the receiving.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You know, it is not just the rushing yards.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
You gotta look the receiving stuff too, and he did
a lot, you know, he does a lot to that.
I'd mean, Sake wanted Derek Henry at one and two,
that's that's foregone.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Where was Jonathan Taylor on that seven? Okay? I mean
those are all those are all I could get with those.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
There's nothing that's such ridiculous there, but you a Harvard
not not even being an honorable mention is an absolute joke.
It's I mean, these are NFL people that are voting
on this. Do they watch the NFL season?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
People are still sleeping on true Hubbard and the and
the Panthers. I guess four. Kristin Wurks underwent knee surgery
today to address some quote unquote lingering soreness. He's expected
to now start the twenty twenty five season on the
puff list. How late in the season do you think
Tristan works will return to the Bucks lineup and how
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much damage do you think this does to Tampa Bay's
hopes of repeating as the Vision Champs.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Well, if you're on the reserve pup list, you got
to sit out at least the first four games of
the season, So after that you've got a five week
window to return to practice. Once you return to practice,
then you've got a twenty one day window to return
to the active rusher. So theoretically the latest the earliest
that Tristan Wurst could be back would be week five.
The latest that he could be back would be week
(34:31):
what twelve, Like theoretically if you got activated.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
In week nine, the last of the five week window.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
And then you waited all twenty one days before reactivation,
so it could be like halfway through the season before
he's back. As far as the rest of it goes,
I mean that knee surgery is going to be something
they're going to try and play it cautious. I suspect
he won't be back until probably week six, maybe later
than that.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
We'll see how the recovery goes with all that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
We don't really know the recovery timetable until in the
dead of August.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It'll be late August before we really you start.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
To get a feel for when it is that he's
going to be back. And it's a big part of Tampa.
He's the best offensive lineman you know, and Tampa's and
they've got eyes on winning that division there. I would
say they're probably the prohibited favorite in a division that's
got also rans like New Orleans, a Carolina team that's
it's a bit hit or miss, and an Atlanta team
who knows with the rookie well second year but ostensibly
rookie quarterback and Michael Pennix junior, the.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Best offensive lineman on the team, maybe the best left
left tackle in the league, one of top five tackle
in the league. Incredibly valuable. And then the guys behind
him are really questionable. Charlie Heck and Silas Zanzi, yeah,
are the next men up for him. That's a big
drop off.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
There's some free agents that are still out there, though,
you know, and Tampa could could talk somebody into, Hey,
come in, come in for camp, come in a little
bit late, and you know you're gonna be here for
a couple of games and then be our swing tackle
or something like that. There's some options there. I don't
believe that it'll be Charlie Heck. I don't believe it'll
be either one of them, really stickley once the season
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kicks off.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
This news and losing Liam Cohen is big get to
the offer, is it? Though they were fine before Liam
Cohen five JVLD ESPN's Matt Bowen released his early dream
roster for the twenty twenty eight Olympics. He factored an
age to this, so there might be some kind of
(36:23):
funky names. So that'll be the reason why dream roster
for the twenty twenty eight Olympics. The roster features Jade
and Daniels at quarterback and Jamiir Gibbs at running back,
Justin Jefferson and Ohio State superstar Jeremiah Smith at wide receiver,
and Jamar's Chase as the last wide receiver slash center.
Someone has to snap them all to the quarterback, but
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they practically work like a wide receiver. That'll be Jamar
Chase in his vision. The defense has Micah Parsons as
the designated pass rusher and Patrick Sartan the second Travis Hunter,
Cooper Jejean and Antoine Winfield as the team's four defensive backs.
What do you make of that hypothetical roster? Well, I
mean I have bones to pick with it.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
This is obviously an Ohio State fan that is out
here putting this together, and Matt Bollen, But.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
No Jeremiah Smith obviouly not I that doesn't seem too
far festered to me. He looked unrealized. I mean, there
are you know you gonna you gonna? Yeah? I mean
of all the players that you could.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Leave off that you'd have to leave off to put
him on, I mean I could put together an all
retirement team. That would go out there and win a
gold medal. Michael Vick can still ball. You put Vic Megatron,
DeShawn Jackson, you know, I mean I could put together
I could put together a team that would win gold
of guys that have retired.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
That was one thing with the list to me, it
seems like he lived in the kind of two extremes,
like Justin Jefferson is going to be kind of towards
the tail end of things when it's getting up there,
whereas on the other end inspectrum and it's guys like
Jeremiah Smith, like a Travis Hunter, who are very exciting
in theater, but we don't really know. Even Cooper Degen
is heading into a second year, but then you've got
the Antoine Winfield juniors, or even Scoper Degen over Patch
(38:09):
or Tan is stupid, but even Patrick Tan's going to
be pushing thirty by the time the Olympics come around.
Like I think he probably makes it, But that's one
l It's weird that it's either guys who have barely
played in the NFL or just coming in or guys
that are, you know, four or five years in, And
it feels like kind of that that middle.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I really hope that the guys that are playing the
flag football right now, like Kosh, you know, the guy
who's the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Right now, I feel tryouts.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
I hope they bring those guys on as coaches so
they get because the coaches get.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Gold medals, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
So I hope they bring those guys on his coaches
so they get their medal because you know, they they
made the sport what it is. Now you're gonna have
NFL guys step in here and you know and take over.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I mean they are so you know, then have tryouts.
You know, I think the NFL guy.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Are, but that from a marketing perspective, you're not going
to get you know, Hoosh is not turning heads. Most
people don't eve know who'm talking about, while you know,
having Lamar Jackson in there or Jayden Daniels is.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yes, I just want to try out so we don't
have to hear about it for the next twenty years like,
oh I should should have been us, we should have
been them. Yeah. No, I hope they bring on those guys,
the guys that don't make the team.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I hope they bring them on his coaches because the
coaches get gold medals.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Too. Six last one here. NFL dot Com released their
division power rankings. The AFC West ranks as the third
best division in the league, behind the AFC North in
second place and the NFC North in first place. Do
you think the AFC West deserves to be in third
or should they be ranked higher or lower? Maye, well,
they should be higher. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
The NFC North is that is not even the best
division in the NFC. I don't know that I would
have its number one. You see the Vikings take a
step back with a rookie quarterback. The Lions lost their
offensive and defensive coordinator. They're probably gonna take a step
back in right now.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
The Packers, I mean they're okay, but they're not all
that great. And who knows what the Bears are gonna be.
There's a lot of anticipation with Ben Johnson. They did
the work on the offensive line. I expect them to
take a step forward. The idea that the NFC North
is the best, even the best division the NFC, when
you've got the NFC West over there, it's got the Rams,
the forty nine ers, a Cardinals team. I expect to
be very good this year in the Seattle Seahawks, and
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the NFC West has been in the NFC North to.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Me, and it feels like we've done the Chicago Bears
hype thing almost every offseason since twenty seventeen, where it's
like they've got the young, exciting, hyped up quarterback and
they they're starting to put the ecosystem around him, and
you know, it didn't look great last year, but this
is the year it's gonna click and maybe it finally does.
I really liked Caleb Williams coming out, but I feel
(40:34):
like Charlie Brown with Lucy in the football. I'm not
falling for it. Are they? Are they the Chargers of
your whatever? The charge is gonna be good this year.
They're gonna be good this year for like ten years
and now they are actually gonna be good. But everybody's
jumped off the bandwagon, and yeah, got to Chicago. That's
a good That's a great con, don't I Mean?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
The question here is what is the AFC West versus
the AFC North.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Honestly, you know, Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Eveland versus Kansas City, the Chargers, the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
And the Raiders. The West is tougher to me, I think,
by a good dip, right, the weakest team in either division.
Raiders are a lot better than the Browns, I think
you have to say.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
And then the Cincinnati's only got one side of the football,
I don't have a defense.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
And then those middle teams, because I think you could
say the Chargers and Broncos deserve to be lumped together,
and the Bengals and Steelers maybe deserve to be lumped together.
I like the Chargers and Broncos a heck of a
lot more than I like the Bengals and Steelers. And
then the top of the division if you want, like
Raven's Chiefs, that seems like a wash that maybe favors
the AFC West based on how things have gone in
(41:35):
recent years, I would probably take I would say the
AFC West is the toughest division in the league this season. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
I don't even understand that there's somebody's rankings National Rights,
Like they don't even watch football anymore, you know, Like
I read this stuff and I'm like, who's putting this together?
I just I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I don't know. Oh, we come back. I'll get into.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Vikings player that got ripped off for a quarter million
dollars by scam artists, and how you can avoid all that,
plus the NFLPA appealing at CBA decision a lot on
that Broncos Country night back after this