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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The views and opinions expressed in the following programmer.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Those are the speaker and don't necessarily represent those of
the station. It's staff management or ownership. Good morning, you'll
finding out with Pete and the poet Gold. I'm Peter
Leon and I'm the poet Goals, and we're on the
air with each other right here. And if Uncle Mike's
going back and forth, he's always welcome to throw in
his comments. But we're on the air together. But before
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we get to our discussions, kick offf Plaque History Month.
We're going to go right to put the poet Goal
for her weekly poem prayer incantation. Gold, please let.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It roll, Okay, Peter, let me give you this one today.
It's a little short piece I'm working on. We were
born human with a soul and became a construct, spending
the rest of our lives deconstructing. Welcome to America.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Oh that was a prayer. Yeah, In other words, opening up.
We have a soul and therefore we have human rights involved.
And I think the big thing is going to play
out over the next four years is do we believe
in human rights or do we not believe in human rights?
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And you know, I'm obviously hoping we do. Yes, we
stick with human.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Rights absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
And you know, with the beginning of Black History Month
a goal, do you have any thoughts on how this
month is going to go? And we have the traditional
Black History Month in which you know, we learned new
things is more of a discussion of America in terms
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of it's a racial situation. But my sense is going
to be more intense this month. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well, I think it's going to be more intentional and
focused on the issue of human rights not only for
uh uh Black Americans, African Americans, but also for the
collective of the ethnic spirit of brown people, of indigenous people.
And and how can we uh collectively as we celebrate
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the month of Black History, black thought, black ideas, black innovations,
as we as we celebrate our ancestors, but also recognizing
and in the other aspect that that we're all a
collective and we are all going through or will be
going through this challenge of our collectiveness in the next
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in the next four years or so, and so how
do we come together as one to move as as
one in understanding that it was really about the boat
dropping us off in different places, but we are one.
And so moving forward from that aspect, now, the boat.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Dropping uslf in different places that code for something you
want to explain that.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Well, this is what it is.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It's not cold.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
The boat dropped us off, you know, and we were
we were stripped out of Africa, you know, you know,
we were dropped off in various islands across the the
UH in this this northern hemisphere. You know, whether it
be Barbados, whether it be South America, you know, whether
it be Puerto Rico, whether it be Dominican Republic. You know,
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we were dropped off in different places, but we came
from one continent, and that continent is called Africa.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yes, And that explanation is what I was looking for
because when we said we a lot of us don't
fit into.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
That right, not Anglo right right right, So so so
Black History Month, you know, looking at that, looks at
all of that, and and once again, as I as
I said in my poem, you know, we became part
of a construct and we've spent the rest of our
lives deconstructing it and trying to get that connection.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
So from your your mouth to God's ears, because when
you think about it, Luther King Junior's birthday was forgotten.
I thought it was anyway, and we talked about it
on the air. I tried to talk about it on
my show. But if you look at the overall coverage
for that day, was it a whole lot about Martin
Luther King Junior and that should be celebrated. I mean,
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this guy with the thirty nine years he was on
the planet, he was a rock star, he was an
international hero. And yet I was shocked that they had
the inauguration on the same day. And I mean usually
there is a lot of celebrations and trying to keep
his memory alive, and I didn't see any of that
on Monday, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And there were a lot of celebrations. His daughter Bernice
King some celebrations, and the Al Shopton and his organizations
were doing celebration. What was the difference was that it
wasn't being covered.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Immediately wanted to know part of it, right.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
The media was not covering it.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And so it wasn't forgotten. It was eclipsed, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I mean, semantics know eclipse.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I think it is a more aggressive, nasty word than.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
For So where was the effort to not let that
happen though. He just decided it wasn't going to be covered,
and it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
One of the things that I thought happened was the
Episcopal Bishop of Washington that National Cathedral, in the National Cathedral,
that was a dramatic moment. Most of the listeners would
have come across that.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Uh, I can read, yeah, this was a good idea
to come here.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, he said afterwards that it was a horrible service.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
One of the things he was.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Something front and center on the camera and he could
not do anything, he couldn't leave made it worse.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But but he handled it well in the sense he
didn't make a facility faate. He just choke it and
rode with it. And that that that was minimally good
on his buddy. He was an adult.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
He knew that, he knew the world was watching.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, sometimes he doesn't have all that much inside.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I noticed Laura, who was the head of the Republican
behind him. She looked like she was ready to kill somebody.
She had a lot of expression that she was like, yeah,
this is not what do we do. I was waiting
for to stand up and say, wait a minute, excuse me.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
All of their body language was very interesting, you know
when you looked at it. And I think the son
was kind of mumbling things under his breath.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
And it's interesting. The young man who gave the benediction
at the inauguration, I saw him on and he's African American.
I saw him on one of the reports, and he
tore her apart, how that was wrong that she used
religion to do that, and he thought it was he
he thought it was terrible that she did what she did,
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and I was I was shocked. He took it from
a religious standpoint that she should not have used religion
to do what she did.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
But I didn't watch the inauguration intentionally, but I did
go back, you know, later.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
On he was I thought he was watching.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I thought it was was.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
This the one that was evoking Martin Luther king Is?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I think he did.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
But yeah, okay, but.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I thought he did a good job.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
White people have a different.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Absolutely, I think I think I was shocked that he
taught her. I mean, he taret her apart on television.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But I'm good, Mike. I have to say, I when
I saw I had sentiments in the same direction you did.
But when I heard another perspective, which old you might.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Be, Well, you know, there are different people, you know,
saying that in my reviews of it, that it was
more like a minstrel show, you know, in his performance
of evoking you know, doctor King and and uh. But
as I said, I did not watch it initially. I
went back and saw you know, clips of it, and.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I will say that if what it evoked in me,
he's a hell of an actor if I mistook it,
because I thought it was fantastic what he did. But
I was more shocked that he tore He tore this
bishop of a part on air, and from a religious standpoint,
I mean he up and down one side of her,
down the other. And I was like, wow, this is
almost uncomfortable watching this because he was brutal. You know,
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if you look at her standpoint, she said things to
Trump that most probably would never have said to him,
right and and and unfortunately, if you're in the groups
that she was defending, the transgender, all those groups she
was defending, they don't have that voice right, right, and
they're never going to get that voice. And I guess
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maybe she she felt that was her calling, that she
had to do that.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Absolutely, we talked about this earlier, Peter. If you're just
tuning in, you're listening to finding Out with Pete and
the poet Gold, and I'm the poet Gold.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And I'm Uncle Mike, and we are talking. I was
talking about the Black History Month, and before our reintroduction,
we're talking about bishop but I think her name I
don't know how to say.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And the and the reverend that you were speaking about
that who spoke at the inauguration.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yes, and both of them. The guy Mike was talking about,
whose name I don't recall, but he gave re articulation
of sa Martin Luther King quotes, and he did it
in a very dramatic, powerful fashion, and I took it
the way Mike said, Okay, this is good.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And it was entertaining.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Well, boy, now you see you're getting.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Entertaining.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But the point was not to be entertaining. And the
thing is, as soon as you say entertaining, a more
radical black perspective of this guy was entertaining people who
are really persecuting us and entertaining, you know, and you're
playing the violin for the Nazis.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It's and and to your point, uncle Mike, when you're
saying that he went, you know when he went at
the uh, it's bishop, but it's forgive me if I've
seen your name wrong. She came with a spirit a
spiritual message, you know. And that's that's what love, that's
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what faith, That's what Christ is about.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
It's it's about protecting of of the meek. It's you know,
it's it's about I'm gonna have.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
To go watch again then, because I got I was.
I thought he did a tremendous and I think part
of it was I did not expect that mm at
the inauguration, for him even to be on the stage.
I didn't expect that. So maybe that's what caught me off,
is I was unexpected. I didn't really I'd never imagine
a million years would have imagined he would have done
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the benediction just because of everything everyone that was on
that stage. You know, it's but maybe I'll have to
go watch it again.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And well, when you said you didn't expect, you didn't
expect a black man to be there, yeah, person, okay, because.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Aggressive and he was aggressive. When I say aggressive, I
felt like he was very spiritual. I mean he had
his eyes closed a lot of the time when he was,
and I felt like he was really that was coming
from within him. What he was saying. He didn't have
any notes. This was all coming off right right right,
So that struck me. But again maybe because I didn't
expect it as what struck me.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I'm gonna I'm going to go back and look at
the whole things entirely, because like I said, I did
see clips.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You know, if you watch the whole prayer, it was
it just seemed to me like it really came from
his heart and he he you know, I just I
was impressed with it.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, I just I just saw clips of it.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It was too And yet when I heard another perspective
on it, I went over to the other different perspective
that it was overly done. It was sort of justifying
the whole situation, as if Martin Luther King would be
swell with it, which is not clear, but the bishop
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very strong opinion on the Bishop bud. She spoke, I
just never saw anybody speak with such a genuine gentleness
and love and say something so uncompromisingly aggressive.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And I give her credit, she was looking right Trump
the whole time. She was looking at her saying it
to him is what she was doing.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Absolutely absolutely, and I think I don't think she was
only saying it to him. I think she was just
saying to him and and those who surround him.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
She kept asking him to have mercy.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Right right, well, because she knows he's in the position
of leadership. You know, he's the one, so to speak,
of calling a shot. And and I believe that the
other gentleman had the same opportunity to do.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
That, to do that. You know, he was on a
different stage though.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Right, but he still had the same you know, he
still had the same opportunity to do it. And so
even though he feels that she was in the wrong
place to be a to do that, you know, I
respectfully disagree with him that that she was in the
right place at the right time to deliver a spiritual
message religion.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
If religion is not about that, what is it about?
I mean, if Jesus was not about justice, what was
Jesus about? And what I want to dramatize it a
little bit, Mike, but it comes from what I really think.
What she did there was being loving and uh substantially
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substantively uncompromising. She was directed what you might even call
aggressive in a loving way. I never actually saw that done.
To me, it was like a miracle in other words.
And it's not a miracle in the sense, you know,
you can't conceive of it and it happens. I can
conceive it, but I just never saw it happen and
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least miraculous.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
It offered balance to to to the day, so to speak,
where everything's just not one voice, you know, there is
a there is another voice that exists out there beyond,
beyond this message of let's deport you know, these people's
let's build the wall, let's you know, uh, cut the
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price of medicine for people. You know, I think some
of the people who even voted for him are going
to be hurt by some of these.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I can tell you. I don't know how many people
that church holds. Let's say it's two hundred. There was
one hundred and ninety of them didn't see that coming
when they walked into church.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
She was But to me, it was prophetic in the
sense if in the notion Mike you saying, the young
man who was also a reverend, who gave what uilized
to be an impassioned prayer for him to criticize her,
especially after what he did, I mean religion.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
He was criticized her for what she said. He just
felt it was a wrong pulpit. From a religious standpoint,
he felt that she should not have That was his complaint,
is that that was not that was just the wrong
place to do it. And but his from from his
religious standpoint. Everybody has a different perception of religion.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
And what type of reverend is he?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Again, I'm not sure Christian.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
He's a Christian because because historically speaking, uh A change
happens in the Black church, you know it is it
has been the black preacher, the black reverend who has
who has been the voice of change for for black people.
You know, the the politicians come to our churches.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Often. Yes, for a guy who, at least from my perspective,
was endorsing Martin Luther King in his work, Martin Luther
King is the American voice of the Black church. It
might be the American voice of America itself, but Martin
Luther King is inseparable from the church. From uh So,
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politics and politics and religion are naturally together. And people
will say, oh, just make it about individual spirituality. That's belogney.
All the way down.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Maybe that reverend missed that page in the history, but
did show up for that class.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
As we sit here talking about this, I'm curious both
here just think about what happened four years ago and
what happened this year and reflect on that. What a
difference when you think about it. And I am not
saying good to bad. I'm just saying, what a difference
between four years ago when we had to change transition
and power we almost didn't have and we had it
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this time without a without even a blink, without a
flinch at all. And I wonder I almost kind of
expected something to happen, to be honest with you, after
what happened last time, I'm thinking, you know, the other
side has got to get for lack of a better word,
it's got to get even. I mean, something's gonna and
it didn't. You couldn't have gone any smoother than it went.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But I think the other side has a lot more dignity.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Let me put it a different way mine, Mike. Yeah,
you and I agree on a lot of things. We
disagree on a lot of things, but to your point,
I agree that, yeah, everything, I agree with everything you said,
and my opinion is the difference between the Republicans and
Democrats is the Democrats actually believe in democracy and the
Republicans don't. If Trump lost the election, there's anybody out
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there think he would not have raised the ruckus Again, nobody,
no adult really thinks that because Donald Trump and the
people who support him don't essentially believe in democracy unless
they win, which is the that's not democracy Democrats. The
only light I think they coming from the what I
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consider a loss a democratic loss is it proves that
Democrats not only care about but they believe in democracy.
And your observations really support that.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
And and but I also think that there are a
slither of Republicans who believe in democracy, but we're afraid.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Hear me out for a second. You know, you know
you can. And I get what you're saying, because you know,
fear has a tendency to do this with people on
on so many different aspects where we may believe in something,
even just on a very singular level. It's just as
an individual, we may truly believe it, but our fear
is greater than our ability to exercise our own beliefs.
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If you're just tuning in, you're listening to finding Out
with Pete and the poet Gold and I'm the poet.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Gold, I'm Uncle Mike. And I think the other part
of this was the Democratic already self destructed near the end.
That whole Biden and Biden out Kamella and that that
was a that was a huge distraction that mayor may
or may not have had an effect. I think it did,
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but that in itself was bad. Joe Biden cannot be
a happy camera. I mean, they really did. They did
him dirty, they really did. And could he have beat him?
I don't know who knows. I mean, there's a couple
of things that happened there. I think Kamela, had she
chose a different vice president, would have had a better chance.
I think if she had taken the governor of Pennsylvania,
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she may have beaten Donald Trump. And that's a whole
interesting You wonder there what was going on behind the scenes.
You know, you want to believe that everybody on both
sides is at the top of their game when it
comes to politics. What they how the Democrats handle that.
That was the stupidest thing they ever could have done,
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to let him go in that far and then say,
oh no, you get out of the way, We're going
to put Camilla in. And that was just stupid. And
the planning, the lack of planning that was there. I
mean since January, everybody was saying, you know, it's Joe
going to be the guys, He's going to be the candidate.
So if we were thinking that, why weren't they thinking that?
Why did they wait till June to do that? Almost
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like it I don't want to I don't want to say,
but it was almost intentional to me.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
And to me he got caught. I mean, like, uh,
you know, I didn't know, Peter.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
They didn't know in January what they knew in June.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yes, in other words, from my perspective, when I saw
him perform at the State of the Union message, he
was better than he ever was. And you know, so
like there was public evidence that you know, all the
roomors we all sort of walking very stiffly and it
was a bad look and all that up. But I
and the media, including the liberal media, was not you know,
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highlighting as they were hiding it, and we had public
proof that he's really capable. He was great at to
say to the union, he took on the Republicans and
he owned them, and so you know, it was a loss,
and the historical mistakes went into it. To me, the
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biggest thing looking back on it is, you know, not
second guessing this, the strategies and the performance. But six
million Democrats voted for President Biden in twenty twenty that
did not vote for Kamala Harris in twenty twenty four. Okay,
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when you lose six million of your own team, well
that's you're not going to win. And in my opinion,
and there's one hundred ways of slicus, but there are
six million Democrats who could not bear to have a
black woman as president because Wow, looked at it like that, Yeah, black.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Woman, a black woman, and a woman. You saying, a
black woman. You're emphasizing black black, emphasizing black right, but
also a woman. Yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I've been calling for I think it's time for a
woman president. I don't know, I don't care if she's black, white,
I don't care what color she is. I think it's time.
And that's why I was so hopeful. I was, you know,
I was very hopeful for Nicki Haley in the begetting
because I thought she had the tools, and as we
got into the campaign, I was like, whoops, maybe we
made a mistake. But I just don't understand if you
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look at that logically. So you mean to tell me
in October of last year, Joe's our guy, let's go
do it. He's gonna win. I don't see that. I
don't see that. That was just it was such an
obvious mistake. And and and they should have back then
started thinking about it that he couldn't be And of
course they thought because he was going to be a
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convicted felon, everything that happened along the line there for
whatever reason made him wronger. Yeah, it rallied. Yeah, And
at that point I would have been saying, maybe Joe's
not such a good idea. Can we put Can we
find somebody else that we should put up there? And
to be fair about it, actually, I think, Peter, I
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think a black af African American woman was a smart choice.
It seemed to me like that had a lot of backing.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Okay, demographic, it's you, you are less racist than most people.
You're not massageist. I'm surprised. To me, it was just
natural a black woman, that's a good idea, even.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Thinking about the demographics involved.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yes, and and the demographics are I think we have proof.
I mean, Kamala Harris whatever you like or don't like it,
but she's a better candidate than Joe Biden. And for
her to get six million a few of votes, uh,
and there's no pandemic, right, six million few votes. I
think people Democrats did not vote for her because they
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are racist massages Democrats who didn't vote.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
As I look back on it, I think they set
her up to fail. I look back on it.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I think they did. Who would they be?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
You appoint me?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
We over yet we.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Have a half a minute?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Oh my god, I'm parties.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
They set her up to fail.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
But but but I agree with you, Peter. I think
that we have some deep, deep issues when it comes
to women leadership in this country, and and greater issues
when it comes to race in this country.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
And so I've shut it to you a thousand times.
Racism is alive and well in this as absolutely, and
I don't know how much better we are than we Okay, okay,
the the the the big signs about you know, not
having separate entrances and restaurants and riding the front of
the bus and I don't mean it, so who cares
about that? That isn't the issues that we're dealing with
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that had to get better because it was on the
surface and people could see it. Right. The stuff that's
not on the surface hasn't gotten any better.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Right, right, right right, And we agree on it as
a whole economic issue that goes with that. So thank
you folks for listening to finding out with Pete the public.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Gold and we're going to be going at it all
through the month of February for Black History.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
So we have some great guests lined up.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I am hopeful that what poet expressed. I hope it
happens because it's time, but I'm not optimistic. I'm sorry,
I don't think. I just don't think the country is
moving in that direction.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But we have to we have to do our part
to make it happen. Mike, you know that's that's that's
you know.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Thank you, Michael,
The views and opinions expressed in the following programmer.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
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the station. It's staff management or ownership. Good morning, you'll
finding out with Pete and the poet Gold. I'm Peter
Leon and I'm the poet Goals, and we're on the
air with each other right here. And if Uncle Mike's
going back and forth, he's always welcome to throw in
his comments. But we're on the air together. But before
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we get to our discussions, kick offf Plaque History Month.
We're going to go right to put the poet Goal
for her weekly poem prayer incantation. Gold, please let.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It roll, Okay, Peter, let me give you this one today.
It's a little short piece I'm working on. We were
born human with a soul and became a construct, spending
the rest of our lives deconstructing. Welcome to America.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Oh that was a prayer. Yeah, In other words, opening up.
We have a soul and therefore we have human rights involved.
And I think the big thing is going to play
out over the next four years is do we believe
in human rights or do we not believe in human rights?
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And you know, I'm obviously hoping we do. Yes, we
stick with human.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Rights absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
And you know, with the beginning of Black History Month
a goal, do you have any thoughts on how this
month is going to go? And we have the traditional
Black History Month in which you know, we learned new
things is more of a discussion of America in terms
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of it's a racial situation. But my sense is going
to be more intense this month. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well, I think it's going to be more intentional and
focused on the issue of human rights not only for
uh uh Black Americans, African Americans, but also for the
collective of the ethnic spirit of brown people, of indigenous people.
And and how can we uh collectively as we celebrate
(02:18):
the month of Black History, black thought, black ideas, black innovations,
as we as we celebrate our ancestors, but also recognizing
and in the other aspect that that we're all a
collective and we are all going through or will be
going through this challenge of our collectiveness in the next
(02:39):
in the next four years or so, and so how
do we come together as one to move as as
one in understanding that it was really about the boat
dropping us off in different places, but we are one.
And so moving forward from that aspect, now, the boat.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Dropping uslf in different places that code for something you
want to explain that.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Well, this is what it is.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It's not cold.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
The boat dropped us off, you know, and we were
we were stripped out of Africa, you know, you know,
we were dropped off in various islands across the the
UH in this this northern hemisphere. You know, whether it
be Barbados, whether it be South America, you know, whether
it be Puerto Rico, whether it be Dominican Republic. You know,
(03:24):
we were dropped off in different places, but we came
from one continent, and that continent is called Africa.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yes, And that explanation is what I was looking for
because when we said we a lot of us don't
fit into.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
That right, not Anglo right right right, So so so
Black History Month, you know, looking at that, looks at
all of that, and and once again, as I as
I said in my poem, you know, we became part
of a construct and we've spent the rest of our
lives deconstructing it and trying to get that connection.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
So from your your mouth to God's ears, because when
you think about it, Luther King Junior's birthday was forgotten.
I thought it was anyway, and we talked about it
on the air. I tried to talk about it on
my show. But if you look at the overall coverage
for that day, was it a whole lot about Martin
Luther King Junior and that should be celebrated. I mean,
(04:16):
this guy with the thirty nine years he was on
the planet, he was a rock star, he was an
international hero. And yet I was shocked that they had
the inauguration on the same day. And I mean usually
there is a lot of celebrations and trying to keep
his memory alive, and I didn't see any of that
on Monday, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And there were a lot of celebrations. His daughter Bernice
King some celebrations, and the Al Shopton and his organizations
were doing celebration. What was the difference was that it
wasn't being covered.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Immediately wanted to know part of it, right.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
The media was not covering it.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And so it wasn't forgotten. It was eclipsed, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I mean, semantics know eclipse.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I think it is a more aggressive, nasty word than.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
For So where was the effort to not let that
happen though. He just decided it wasn't going to be covered,
and it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
One of the things that I thought happened was the
Episcopal Bishop of Washington that National Cathedral, in the National Cathedral,
that was a dramatic moment. Most of the listeners would
have come across that.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Uh, I can read, yeah, this was a good idea
to come here.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, he said afterwards that it was a horrible service.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
One of the things he was.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Something front and center on the camera and he could
not do anything, he couldn't leave made it worse.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But but he handled it well in the sense he
didn't make a facility faate. He just choke it and
rode with it. And that that that was minimally good
on his buddy. He was an adult.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
He knew that, he knew the world was watching.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, sometimes he doesn't have all that much inside.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I noticed Laura, who was the head of the Republican
behind him. She looked like she was ready to kill somebody.
She had a lot of expression that she was like, yeah,
this is not what do we do. I was waiting
for to stand up and say, wait a minute, excuse me.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
All of their body language was very interesting, you know
when you looked at it. And I think the son
was kind of mumbling things under his breath.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
And it's interesting. The young man who gave the benediction
at the inauguration, I saw him on and he's African American.
I saw him on one of the reports, and he
tore her apart, how that was wrong that she used
religion to do that, and he thought it was he
he thought it was terrible that she did what she did,
(06:50):
and I was I was shocked. He took it from
a religious standpoint that she should not have used religion
to do what she did.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
But I didn't watch the inauguration intentionally, but I did
go back, you know, later.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
On he was I thought he was watching.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I thought it was was.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
This the one that was evoking Martin Luther king Is?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I think he did.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
But yeah, okay, but.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I thought he did a good job.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
White people have a different.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Absolutely, I think I think I was shocked that he
taught her. I mean, he taret her apart on television.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But I'm good, Mike. I have to say, I when
I saw I had sentiments in the same direction you did.
But when I heard another perspective, which old you might.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Be, Well, you know, there are different people, you know,
saying that in my reviews of it, that it was
more like a minstrel show, you know, in his performance
of evoking you know, doctor King and and uh. But
as I said, I did not watch it initially. I
went back and saw you know, clips of it, and.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I will say that if what it evoked in me,
he's a hell of an actor if I mistook it,
because I thought it was fantastic what he did. But
I was more shocked that he tore He tore this
bishop of a part on air, and from a religious standpoint,
I mean he up and down one side of her,
down the other. And I was like, wow, this is
almost uncomfortable watching this because he was brutal. You know,
(08:16):
if you look at her standpoint, she said things to
Trump that most probably would never have said to him,
right and and and unfortunately, if you're in the groups
that she was defending, the transgender, all those groups she
was defending, they don't have that voice right, right, and
they're never going to get that voice. And I guess
(08:37):
maybe she she felt that was her calling, that she
had to do that.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Absolutely, we talked about this earlier, Peter. If you're just
tuning in, you're listening to finding Out with Pete and
the poet Gold, and I'm the poet Gold.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And I'm Uncle Mike, and we are talking. I was
talking about the Black History Month, and before our reintroduction,
we're talking about bishop but I think her name I
don't know how to say.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And the and the reverend that you were speaking about
that who spoke at the inauguration.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yes, and both of them. The guy Mike was talking about,
whose name I don't recall, but he gave re articulation
of sa Martin Luther King quotes, and he did it
in a very dramatic, powerful fashion, and I took it
the way Mike said, Okay, this is good.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And it was entertaining.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Well, boy, now you see you're getting.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Entertaining.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But the point was not to be entertaining. And the
thing is, as soon as you say entertaining, a more
radical black perspective of this guy was entertaining people who
are really persecuting us and entertaining, you know, and you're
playing the violin for the Nazis.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It's and and to your point, uncle Mike, when you're
saying that he went, you know when he went at
the uh, it's bishop, but it's forgive me if I've
seen your name wrong. She came with a spirit a
spiritual message, you know. And that's that's what love, that's
(10:13):
what faith, That's what Christ is about.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
It's it's about protecting of of the meek. It's you know,
it's it's about I'm gonna have.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
To go watch again then, because I got I was.
I thought he did a tremendous and I think part
of it was I did not expect that mm at
the inauguration, for him even to be on the stage.
I didn't expect that. So maybe that's what caught me off,
is I was unexpected. I didn't really I'd never imagine
a million years would have imagined he would have done
(10:46):
the benediction just because of everything everyone that was on
that stage. You know, it's but maybe I'll have to
go watch it again.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And well, when you said you didn't expect, you didn't
expect a black man to be there, yeah, person, okay, because.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Aggressive and he was aggressive. When I say aggressive, I
felt like he was very spiritual. I mean he had
his eyes closed a lot of the time when he was,
and I felt like he was really that was coming
from within him. What he was saying. He didn't have
any notes. This was all coming off right right right,
So that struck me. But again maybe because I didn't
expect it as what struck me.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I'm gonna I'm going to go back and look at
the whole things entirely, because like I said, I did
see clips.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You know, if you watch the whole prayer, it was
it just seemed to me like it really came from
his heart and he he you know, I just I
was impressed with it.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, I just I just saw clips of it.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It was too And yet when I heard another perspective
on it, I went over to the other different perspective
that it was overly done. It was sort of justifying
the whole situation, as if Martin Luther King would be
swell with it, which is not clear, but the bishop
(12:00):
very strong opinion on the Bishop bud. She spoke, I
just never saw anybody speak with such a genuine gentleness
and love and say something so uncompromisingly aggressive.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And I give her credit, she was looking right Trump
the whole time. She was looking at her saying it
to him is what she was doing.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Absolutely absolutely, and I think I don't think she was
only saying it to him. I think she was just
saying to him and and those who surround him.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
She kept asking him to have mercy.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Right right, well, because she knows he's in the position
of leadership. You know, he's the one, so to speak,
of calling a shot. And and I believe that the
other gentleman had the same opportunity to do.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
That, to do that. You know, he was on a
different stage though.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Right, but he still had the same you know, he
still had the same opportunity to do it. And so
even though he feels that she was in the wrong
place to be a to do that, you know, I
respectfully disagree with him that that she was in the
right place at the right time to deliver a spiritual
message religion.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
If religion is not about that, what is it about?
I mean, if Jesus was not about justice, what was
Jesus about? And what I want to dramatize it a
little bit, Mike, but it comes from what I really think.
What she did there was being loving and uh substantially
(13:30):
substantively uncompromising. She was directed what you might even call
aggressive in a loving way. I never actually saw that done.
To me, it was like a miracle in other words.
And it's not a miracle in the sense, you know,
you can't conceive of it and it happens. I can
conceive it, but I just never saw it happen and
(13:52):
least miraculous.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
It offered balance to to to the day, so to speak,
where everything's just not one voice, you know, there is
a there is another voice that exists out there beyond,
beyond this message of let's deport you know, these people's
let's build the wall, let's you know, uh, cut the
(14:18):
price of medicine for people. You know, I think some
of the people who even voted for him are going
to be hurt by some of these.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I can tell you. I don't know how many people
that church holds. Let's say it's two hundred. There was
one hundred and ninety of them didn't see that coming
when they walked into church.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
She was But to me, it was prophetic in the
sense if in the notion Mike you saying, the young
man who was also a reverend, who gave what uilized
to be an impassioned prayer for him to criticize her,
especially after what he did, I mean religion.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
He was criticized her for what she said. He just
felt it was a wrong pulpit. From a religious standpoint,
he felt that she should not have That was his complaint,
is that that was not that was just the wrong
place to do it. And but his from from his
religious standpoint. Everybody has a different perception of religion.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
And what type of reverend is he?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Again, I'm not sure Christian.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
He's a Christian because because historically speaking, uh A change
happens in the Black church, you know it is it
has been the black preacher, the black reverend who has
who has been the voice of change for for black people.
You know, the the politicians come to our churches.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Often. Yes, for a guy who, at least from my perspective,
was endorsing Martin Luther King in his work, Martin Luther
King is the American voice of the Black church. It
might be the American voice of America itself, but Martin
Luther King is inseparable from the church. From uh So,
(16:11):
politics and politics and religion are naturally together. And people
will say, oh, just make it about individual spirituality. That's belogney.
All the way down.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Maybe that reverend missed that page in the history, but
did show up for that class.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
As we sit here talking about this, I'm curious both
here just think about what happened four years ago and
what happened this year and reflect on that. What a
difference when you think about it. And I am not
saying good to bad. I'm just saying, what a difference
between four years ago when we had to change transition
and power we almost didn't have and we had it
(16:54):
this time without a without even a blink, without a
flinch at all. And I wonder I almost kind of
expected something to happen, to be honest with you, after
what happened last time, I'm thinking, you know, the other
side has got to get for lack of a better word,
it's got to get even. I mean, something's gonna and
it didn't. You couldn't have gone any smoother than it went.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But I think the other side has a lot more dignity.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Let me put it a different way mine, Mike. Yeah,
you and I agree on a lot of things. We
disagree on a lot of things, but to your point,
I agree that, yeah, everything, I agree with everything you said,
and my opinion is the difference between the Republicans and
Democrats is the Democrats actually believe in democracy and the
Republicans don't. If Trump lost the election, there's anybody out
(17:45):
there think he would not have raised the ruckus Again, nobody,
no adult really thinks that because Donald Trump and the
people who support him don't essentially believe in democracy unless
they win, which is the that's not democracy Democrats. The
only light I think they coming from the what I
(18:06):
consider a loss a democratic loss is it proves that
Democrats not only care about but they believe in democracy.
And your observations really support that.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
And and but I also think that there are a
slither of Republicans who believe in democracy, but we're afraid.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Hear me out for a second. You know, you know
you can. And I get what you're saying, because you know,
fear has a tendency to do this with people on
on so many different aspects where we may believe in something,
even just on a very singular level. It's just as
an individual, we may truly believe it, but our fear
is greater than our ability to exercise our own beliefs.
(18:49):
If you're just tuning in, you're listening to finding Out
with Pete and the poet Gold and I'm the poet.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Gold, I'm Uncle Mike. And I think the other part
of this was the Democratic already self destructed near the end.
That whole Biden and Biden out Kamella and that that
was a that was a huge distraction that mayor may
or may not have had an effect. I think it did,
(19:15):
but that in itself was bad. Joe Biden cannot be
a happy camera. I mean, they really did. They did
him dirty, they really did. And could he have beat him?
I don't know who knows. I mean, there's a couple
of things that happened there. I think Kamela, had she
chose a different vice president, would have had a better chance.
I think if she had taken the governor of Pennsylvania,
(19:37):
she may have beaten Donald Trump. And that's a whole
interesting You wonder there what was going on behind the scenes.
You know, you want to believe that everybody on both
sides is at the top of their game when it
comes to politics. What they how the Democrats handle that.
That was the stupidest thing they ever could have done,
(19:59):
to let him go in that far and then say,
oh no, you get out of the way, We're going
to put Camilla in. And that was just stupid. And
the planning, the lack of planning that was there. I
mean since January, everybody was saying, you know, it's Joe
going to be the guys, He's going to be the candidate.
So if we were thinking that, why weren't they thinking that?
Why did they wait till June to do that? Almost
(20:19):
like it I don't want to I don't want to say,
but it was almost intentional to me.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
And to me he got caught. I mean, like, uh,
you know, I didn't know, Peter.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
They didn't know in January what they knew in June.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yes, in other words, from my perspective, when I saw
him perform at the State of the Union message, he
was better than he ever was. And you know, so
like there was public evidence that you know, all the
roomors we all sort of walking very stiffly and it
was a bad look and all that up. But I
and the media, including the liberal media, was not you know,
(20:56):
highlighting as they were hiding it, and we had public
proof that he's really capable. He was great at to
say to the union, he took on the Republicans and
he owned them, and so you know, it was a loss,
and the historical mistakes went into it. To me, the
(21:17):
biggest thing looking back on it is, you know, not
second guessing this, the strategies and the performance. But six
million Democrats voted for President Biden in twenty twenty that
did not vote for Kamala Harris in twenty twenty four. Okay,
(21:37):
when you lose six million of your own team, well
that's you're not going to win. And in my opinion,
and there's one hundred ways of slicus, but there are
six million Democrats who could not bear to have a
black woman as president because Wow, looked at it like that, Yeah, black.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Woman, a black woman, and a woman. You saying, a
black woman. You're emphasizing black black, emphasizing black right, but
also a woman. Yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I've been calling for I think it's time for a
woman president. I don't know, I don't care if she's black, white,
I don't care what color she is. I think it's time.
And that's why I was so hopeful. I was, you know,
I was very hopeful for Nicki Haley in the begetting
because I thought she had the tools, and as we
got into the campaign, I was like, whoops, maybe we
made a mistake. But I just don't understand if you
(22:34):
look at that logically. So you mean to tell me
in October of last year, Joe's our guy, let's go
do it. He's gonna win. I don't see that. I
don't see that. That was just it was such an
obvious mistake. And and and they should have back then
started thinking about it that he couldn't be And of
course they thought because he was going to be a
(22:54):
convicted felon, everything that happened along the line there for
whatever reason made him wronger. Yeah, it rallied. Yeah, And
at that point I would have been saying, maybe Joe's
not such a good idea. Can we put Can we
find somebody else that we should put up there? And
to be fair about it, actually, I think, Peter, I
(23:15):
think a black af African American woman was a smart choice.
It seemed to me like that had a lot of backing.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Okay, demographic, it's you, you are less racist than most people.
You're not massageist. I'm surprised. To me, it was just
natural a black woman, that's a good idea, even.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Thinking about the demographics involved.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yes, and and the demographics are I think we have proof.
I mean, Kamala Harris whatever you like or don't like it,
but she's a better candidate than Joe Biden. And for
her to get six million a few of votes, uh,
and there's no pandemic, right, six million few votes. I
think people Democrats did not vote for her because they
(24:06):
are racist massages Democrats who didn't vote.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
As I look back on it, I think they set
her up to fail. I look back on it.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I think they did. Who would they be?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
You appoint me?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
We over yet we.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Have a half a minute?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Oh my god, I'm parties.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
They set her up to fail.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
But but but I agree with you, Peter. I think
that we have some deep, deep issues when it comes
to women leadership in this country, and and greater issues
when it comes to race in this country.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
And so I've shut it to you a thousand times.
Racism is alive and well in this as absolutely, and
I don't know how much better we are than we Okay, okay,
the the the the big signs about you know, not
having separate entrances and restaurants and riding the front of
the bus and I don't mean it, so who cares
about that? That isn't the issues that we're dealing with
(25:02):
that had to get better because it was on the
surface and people could see it. Right. The stuff that's
not on the surface hasn't gotten any better.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Right, right, right right, And we agree on it as
a whole economic issue that goes with that. So thank
you folks for listening to finding out with Pete the public.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Gold and we're going to be going at it all
through the month of February for Black History.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
So we have some great guests lined up.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I am hopeful that what poet expressed. I hope it
happens because it's time, but I'm not optimistic. I'm sorry,
I don't think. I just don't think the country is
moving in that direction.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But we have to we have to do our part
to make it happen. Mike, you know that's that's that's
you know.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Thank you, Michael,
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