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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:11):
Good morning, you'll find out with Pete and the Poet Gold.
I'm Peter Leonard and I'm the Poet Gold and we're
on the morning Corey spears along with a student. And
before we go to the Poet Gold weekly pray a
poem incantation. We're going to let her explain what's new today.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Okay, So I'm going to turn it over to Angelica
also known as AJAX. Angelica as a student, a participant
of a program that Corey and I collaborated on, a
hip hop healing and poetry and podcast. And so Angelica,
I'm going to give it to you to read your poem.
It's called resilience.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Is that? What is it called? Against name of it?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Resilient and wise?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Resilient and wise?
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Okay, I am resilient and wise. I wonder if my
future is really mine to decide. I hear the wis
of the wind, see the beautiful spirit that lies within.
I want my voice to be heard to make a
positive impact on the world. I immerse myself in the
energy of you. I worry there's still so much to prove.
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I am resilient and wise. I understand that everything happens
for a reason. I say now to come and go,
like the changing of seasons, a dream of a time
where there's nothing but love on earth. I try to
make every day the prize that it's worth. I hope
one day my words will inspire in open minds. I
am resilient and wise. Thank you everybody.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yes, I love it.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
So Corey's tell our listeners about the program or our partnership
with Family Services and how everything worked out the objective.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yes, yes, So hip Hop Healing is a program that
surrounds around healing, empowerment and social change. And it was
wonderful collaborating with you poet Goal and in the poetry aspect,
while I pretty much dealt with the hip hop aspect
that had to do with the history of it, and
then also the engineering production behind pieces like what Angelica produced.
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So yeah, and it was wonderful partnering with Family Partnership.
They are longtime collaborators, so I've always done programs with them,
such as the Content Creators program work in their community
studio at the Family Partnership.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And at the top of the program you'll hear you
would have heard rather the musical composition supporting Angelica's words
as well.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
When you say the musual composition, don't be as serious
about it, explaining that.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Well, it's the music that's put together to support to
carry her poem through. So I like the call on
poelities when you have music and poetry, and she did
such a great job in the studio, So why don't
we just go to you?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Angelica? What was the program like for you?
Speaker 5 (03:01):
It was a very It was a new experience. I
learned a lot about music production, and I also learned
that I'm capable of writing something. If you wouldn't even
say that.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
When you say you're capable of writing something, you knew
before that you know your letters and how to write.
But what does it mean to you to say you
are capable of writing something? That's a very powerful statement.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Before this program, I actually didn't believe I could ever
do something like that. The im poem that we started
with was it kind of it was something new to me,
like I've never done nothing like that before, I guess.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
So you found not only a talent that you might have,
but a confidence to make other people do it. So
when you say I found out I could write something,
what it sort of means is you found out that
you could write something that somebody else would be interested in.
Perhaps I want to tell you I was interested in it,
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and that what it means. So I guess who is
another word for confidence? So I'm interested. It means I'm confident. Yeah,
how did you conceive of the program? Earlier in my life?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I was a hip hop artist myself, but I really
wasn't too concerned about necessarily being famous or popular. It
was more just to get out my emotions a lot
of the time to help me find balance within myself.
And then I found it very therapeutic. So that's something
that I wanted to share with the youth that I
worked with in the community healing.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Okay, oh thank you. But it's very easy for you
to say that and for all to respond that way.
But I'm seventy five years old, I'm white, and when
I hear hip hop healing, that sounds odd to me.
In other words, my preconceived notions or hip hop might
be fun, it might be live, it's not healing in
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other words, is in one sense, a person with my
perspective would see the oppice seems confusing and chaotic, and
you tell me how I'm wrong on that, because I
have full conference that i'm wrong. I'm a very person too.
Yeah you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
No, no worries at all, No, thank you for asking
as well. First and foremost, I would say hip hop
was based upon people talking about their surroundings, what was
going on in their environment and their communities, getting out
their emotions that had to do with that. So they
were really touching upon themselves and sharing with the people
around them. Before it got too much into being a
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popular dance craze, so on and so forth, it was
really just about reporting what was going on in the
communities and with them within themselves as well.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
It was storytelling, you know, it's about the griot. I mean, traditionally,
culturally you have the griot that would pass on the
stories of your community, of your tribe, and so that
so that your family stories or your village stories can continue.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Beyond just that just that tribe.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
And so as you got into let's say somewhat of
the seventies and and and the eighties, it evolved into
you know, you didn't have that one traditional riot per se,
but but you had people who wanted to communicate truthfully
about what was going on in the street or what
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was going on in their environment. And this was a
healthy way to be able to do it and to
do it with with joy, you know. To it was
when it became like in most art forms or sports,
where it may start off in a very noble place,
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but once you have the industries, the money machines step in,
then it becomes something different, you know. Then then it
becomes what what they wanted to become from a business standpoint,
what they feel is going to sell, even if it's
going to be harmful for society and community.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And so this is sort of.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Where hip hop in itself, like you said, you know,
in appearances, when someone says hip hop, people get sometimes uncomfortable,
and that is by design, you know. But it's not
from the root. It's by design that it would make
you uncomfortable. It's by design from an industry and commercialized
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perspective that only a certain type of hip hop was
pushed to the top and market it. But all the
educators of hip hop was sort of, you know, we
can't make money with this when that's what we were
listening to in the beginning, right for.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Our listeners who are with us every week, that's the
longest goal has ever gone. But she was looking at
me like anybody gets this straight? But it was so
appropriate because, like I say, the way hip hop represents
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it to me, as you know a white person in
the seventies and eighties was this is a problem. There's
a lot of energy in this and it's uh, And
without anybody saying it, the implication was, uh, it's a
problem because it's a problem to us because we don't
understand it, and therefore you don't like it. How did
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that go back on the community? In other words, when,
as Gold says, the corporate interest may have seen a
profit possibility and scaring white people. But then if once
white people are scared and we're reflecting that, but back
on the black community, how did that feel? Well?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I think, say, if we take a song such as
fight the Power something like that that was trying to
galvanize the community and try to make a real change
that was going on and the different things that were
going on at that time period, that thing can be
kind of scary to certain communities, but also that is
a very positive way of expressing what's going on without
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necessarily doing riots, rebelling, necessarily being violent about something. It's
just something actually to change the mind and open your
mind up to different things in a different perspective about
what's going on in areas that you may not be
aware of.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Fight the power that was in the beginning of the Spiky.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Movie exactly, Public Enemy, Do.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
The Right Thing was the movie exactly. And then and
it comes on and Rosie Pereza saying the point, and
it comes on and dancing is very powerful and you know,
scared too strong a word. But I when I first
saw I recognized that I don't usually think myself as
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the power, but I recognize fight to power and fight
white power and white oppressive power. And so that's a
big deal. All coded on that, you know. And Joe,
I'm sure you don't remember any of these references. You know,
I'm seventy five. I don't think you are anywhere near
my age. But for you, as a young person hearing
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these references, and I recognize that Corey, you are very
at ease with the history of things.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yes, yeah, yes, because the historical aspect is very important
and That's what I love sharing with our students because
they may not be aware of it, so I have
to kind of take them back to the essence of
what it's about, because a lot of the times the
commercial aspect is very shown upon and rise to the
top when things should go back to the essence to
where we're talking about the poetry actually sometimes even behind
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the music. And that's what sparked my level of the
music was first starting off with poetry.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
If you're just turning in, you're listening to Finding Out
with Pete and the poet Gold and I'm the poet
Gold and we're here with Corey Spears, a CEO and
founder of Hip Hop Healing, as well as Angelica, also
known as Ajax, who was a student participant in a
program that Corey and I collaborated on at the Family
Family Partnership Family Services, Inc. In one of their youth programs.
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So Angelica, tell me what Ajax is about?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
What What is that name about?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
So that was a nickname given to me by my
case manager at Nubian Direction.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Okay, right, and what is it? What does it mean?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You know?
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I know, actually it kind of came out and stuck
and I.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Like it you like it, like, well, maybe we can
give it some meaning because aj actually cleaned things with Ajax.
You know, uh, you know, you spot on when it
comes to your writing ability, in your future writing ability
and being able to gather your thoughts together.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
It was a joy having you in the program and
just you know, watching you come in and actually get
behind the microphone.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Our listeners don't know, but she's a little shy, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
And so this is this is a this is a
big step in you and you're doing a doing a
great job.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Thank you. You know when Corey says, you know, the
students don't necessarily know the history of things. They can't
know till they're told. I mean in other words, uh yeah,
none of us know till it's taught. And you know,
for you know, when you hear old people talk about
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stuff that was going on before you were born, it
always strikes me as empty headed, like I sort of
know what happened, but I'm not interested. But now I
mentioned my agentuple times. Is you mind saying how old
you are?
Speaker 5 (12:48):
I am seventeen years old.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Okay, so seventeen is what do you do? You're a student.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I'm a student, a Knevian directions.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, okay, And there's a lot of creative uh, healing
might be is the wrong word. There's a lot of creative.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Energy there that is definite.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yes, And how do you experience it?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
How do I experience it? That was an interesting way
to form the question. It's it's a beautiful place. It's
it's so welcoming and loving. It's it's something different from Poughkeepsie,
Like does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, Bickpsie High School.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Mh. And what is that difference?
Speaker 5 (13:38):
It's much more focused. There's no distractions at all. We
get we gotta get done done, no drama. Everybody's friendly
except mister Corey.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's a it's a smaller group of students.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yes, who's Angelica?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Hi? You have a guest? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah, oh.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yes, you're a fan. We don't know which one but that.
But but even when you describe Nubian directions as being uh,
you know, loving and friendly, most high schools are not
like that.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yes, especially Hypsey High School. It's kind of scary in there,
you think, so, yeah, yeah, it's just bad energy. Like
as soon as I walked into the building, the lobby, like,
I don't know if it's lead in the paint there
or something. But I feel like my energy is just
being tooken from this unknown source.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
So being in a smaller environment that Nubian direction offers,
uh for you works better for you.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Yes, it's a much more comfortable vibe.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
And you work at Nubian as well. Right, So talk
about the program of how how you and Angelica met initially,
because I know that you came. A number of students
came through NUBI and Nubian is been around for some
time in the community of Poughkeepsie and it's done very
enriching work for.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Youth in the city of Poughkeepsie. Can you talk about
your role there?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah? Sure.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I started at Nubian as a math and science instructor,
worked there as a long time as an instructor, and
then I just recently transitioned into an employment employment developer
and I work with them in different transitions after they
get their hsc diplomas and then go on either to
their careers or into college. So I helped them navigate
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those different areas, whether it be finding employment, placing them
into apprenticeship programs, or into the transitions into.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Colleges and what's HSC.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
High school equivalency. So it's just a different name they
use now for the GD.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, okay, I got to learn stuff too, because you know,
I learned one set of letters another set the So
how many people are in the school all together right now?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
We have about twenty three students?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, yeah, okay, And as basically from thirteen to seventeen
is the age we're steen.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
To twenty sixteen to twenty four it's the age long time.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, and Angel, you're saying you like the students. There
are twenty three students and you like them all. Yeah, okay,
it's about one hundred percent is a lot. Yeah, And
do you have any sense besides individually, what it is
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about the school that may maybe helps each student learn
to like the other students. Is it a matter of
respecting the other students or respecting the school? What the
function is? You have any sense of that?
Speaker 5 (16:49):
When a new coalhart comes in, we for the first
like two weeks, we do like a bunch of group activity,
group discussions and stuff like that, just get to know
each other.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Basically, that's a creative welcome. Mostly, you go to high
school and you're just scared, right, So what are some of.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
What are some of the ways there are there game
activities that that they use as a part of an
introduction sort of what we did in the program. Remember
we did in the program about the name, the affirmation name?
What affirmation names?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
You come up with?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Accountable Angelica and accountable Angela. Why did you come up
with accountable Angelica? Because you could have been anything, you know,
So why did you choose the word accountable?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Because accountability is one of my biggest values.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Accountability, So you take responsibility for your choices?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Correct, very good, very good.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
And you might want to explain so secondation to you,
but you might want to explain about coming up with accountable.
That's not random.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yes, So we have a we open up usually in
workshops with an affirmation asking students to identify a character
six about themselves that they like people to know, you know,
who they are because we're often defined by other people,
and so this gives a student voice of taking ownership
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of who they are and how they wish to be
seen in the world, whether it's present or maybe it's
something that you want to become. You know, maybe you
don't have Maybe your name is Paula and y. I
use this as an example, your name is Paula, and
maybe you don't have all the patients in the world.
It's not to say that Paula is out there don't
have patients. I'm just using this as an example, Okay,
I don't want folks to get it twisted.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
So maybe you want to become more patient in your life.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
So instead of being you know, some other name like
pretty Paula, you know, or something, you choose patient Paula
because you know that you're aspiring to grow into patients.
So you can choose a and it always has to
be the first letter of your first name or a
name that.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You enjoy being called. So Angelica chose to be accountable.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
She wanted people to know that she's accountable for the
choices that she makes, or at least he tries to
be accountable. And I can appreciate that, you know, definitely.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I think that's actually very rare for a person of
any age to want to be accountable, but to have
the insight as a seventeen year old that you want
one of the things, uh, you say, I'm responsible for
what I do do. So when I say something that counts,
that's a lot. I mean one of the things. You know, politically,
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you might get whenever there's a mistake, Well, the political
people are running away from a mistake. Nobody says, yeah,
I made a mistake, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
So Corey, do you have a website? I meant to
ask you this, Yes, so share with our listeners to
your website.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Hip Hop Healing dot org.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
And so you talked a little about the history of
hip hop. How did you wind up I know you
do it Nubian. How did you wind up at Family Services?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
With with the program that I came in and collaborate
with you on.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yes, I started at Family Services as a consultant slash,
I don't know what you would call it. I came
in helping with their community studio a couple of years ago.
So they already had podcasting equipment and a little bit
of art stuff, so I came in helping them with that,
and that's kind of what to helped me develop the
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idea for this organization that we just started. So that's
where we started out actually doing podcasting, and then we
developed that into some graphic design so they can do
the thumbnails for their podcast that they were doing, and
then they were also doing some recording and music production
as well.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, and Joel with the music production. I know we
played the music before we came on the air being
recorded here, but you were dancing along to the music
in a way that I basically never saw anybody so
comfortable dancing some music by themselves. It wasn't like gold
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joined in or for you know, to you by yourself,
But to me, it struck me like a sense of ownership.
You know, you should own that music in a way.
And I'll tell you, I'm surprised at that. You're not
only accountable, you're somebody who takes ownership and is willing
to share it. I wasn't for you to be dancing
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even different one.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
I just want to thank you for noticing. I'm just
really proud that I did that period.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I think you proud that you did the music. I
mean the poem that you did. Yeah, and that's good.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It showed when she came home, but she was, you know,
she was like, oh and we should have we should
have recorded it. I'm like, good, this is the most
obsecent Angelica moove, you know, independently, just you were just
doing your thing and and and uh and it was
it was apparent that that. You know, You're like, this
is mine. You know, I did this. You know it
was that I did this moment and it was wonderful, wonderful.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Watch what was it like for you? The writing process?
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Oh my, it was challenging. I'm not even gonna lie.
It was extremely challenging because I didn't think I was
capable of writing anything. But I really never saw myself
as a songwriter. But I guess, I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
But you took, sorry, you took to some of the
ideas of understanding very quickly, you know, metaphors and similes
and and you're really focused on, uh, the the I
M poem, which is which is most of what we
took to create your piece of work. You took to
that very very it seems like, seamlessly almost, So you
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definitely have have that gift in there to find your words.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
And and and and.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Bring a very positive thought forward. You know, it took
very little editing. I think the editing that I may
have contributed was somewhat even minor because the core thought
was there, which is helping you refine it.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You know, Gold mentioned that you're a shy person, so
I don't let's just admit that, And I'm going to
say something that might be difficult for you to hear.
You're good at writing, you're good at music, and you're
good at performance. That's a lot to be good at
all one time. And how does it feel to have
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those powers? Because I assume from what you're saying, you
were even discovering those things. I mean, those things might
be more apparent to Corey than they are to you.
So how does it feel to be discovering powers that
you have and being again accountable for that?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Thank you so much. I feel bussed. I guess I
feel really bussed.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, And I'm not putting words in them out, but
I assume you feel blessed you have talent, but I
built into that. It seems to me you feel blessed
that you have people around. Yes, okay, And how does
that work? Because if you don't discover the talents, they're
out there, I mean, you have to own them.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
I try to do something new every day, so that helps.
I like to read a lot, too.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
What do you like to read.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I like to read poetry. I like just random stuff.
I like to read the backs of books and if
it interests me, I'll might get into it. There's like
fifty books that I have started but haven't finished. I
like horror books, okay, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Let me uh. I don't like to give advice. Uh.
And not only because it's not followed. But don't ever
read a book you don't want to read, because there
are so many great books that when you saw them,
you saw so you become on fire. And if you
read books you don't like sorts of talent that that exists.
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So if you read eight pages and you don't like it,
don't read it anymore. It is my experience. So there's
a lot of things. And you notice other students in
your school, they have talents that they're just beginning to understand.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Also, I feel like everybody has talents, but there are
definitely a couple stars that shine a bit. I don't
I don't want to say that actually, but there are
definitely there's definitely a lot of talent at Nubie and directions.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Is it fun to be around that? Is?
Speaker 5 (25:43):
It is so fun? It is so fun.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Do you guys ever collaborate with each other or just
you know, sometimes we have to cipher, you know, in
a circle, all doing bits and pieces of rhymes or
hip hop and do you guys ever get together and
and do that.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I don't know about writing music. We haven't done that yet.
But during our breaks we all like to go downstairs,
you know, hop on the game, play some Jenga, group discussions.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, it's easy to have discussions with people you like, right, Yeah,
I mean, and probably when we have political life, we
have people who don't like each other and we make
them have discussions. It's not very good. I mean, real
discussion is exchanging ideas among people who like each other.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
So, Corey, I know that this hip hop healing is
predominantly for Poughkeepsie.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Correct, correct? Okay, So so how do you how.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Do you feel that it will impact the community or
grow within the community of Poughkeepsie. What's what's your vision
for it?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
My vision for it is to definitely grow beyond Poughkeepsie,
but I would like to definitely focus here because this
is where it all started for for me, and definitely
the passion for wanting to share it with the community
started here. I would love to start doing a lot
more events where we get out other artists young and old,
to come out and share the different things that they
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have continue to do workshops, or we can tap into
different aspects of hip hop as well. We can get
into more of the graffiti aspect, the dancing aspect as well,
and then just continue to evolve.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, Corey, I don't want to be racially oversensitive, but
when I hear that you're looking to expand the graffiti part,
to me, graffiti is like a problem, not not something
to welcome. So again, I just want to bring that
up to see to demonstrate, you know, the cultural differences
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that you are negotiating here too. Like, yeah, graffiti is
a pot it's a form of art, and yet I
think it's been sold to people like name as a
problem with graffiti on the subway's walls.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Well, I would say Poughkeepsie and Kingston, most of the
Upstate areas have been very warming to the art of graffiti.
So if you look, like when you go down to
the train station, you'll see a group of Boogie Reds
that did a wonderful mural on the uh the underpass
going under the bridge right by the Poughkeepsie Railroad station.
And then there's also a couple of awesome mirrors all
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around the town. And these are all graffiti pieces from
local artists.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
And Boogie Reds is a friend of yours. Right, yeah,
and uh, you know that's that's real. At nobody's done
all that professional at right.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Right, But I mean, you know, but but once again,
I mean your point is valid. You know, folks do
have a perspective as graffiti is not art, and graffiti,
you know, initially was more or less the artists looking
for the canvas. You know, the artist was looking for
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the canvas, and and the street was the canvas.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Now, don't get me wrong, you know, because.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
No, no, no, my my dad made some kids clean
up graffiti that that tagged our brown stone, you know,
and you know, grabbed them and got the paint in
the whole bit, and so they had to they had
to get that done. But but yeah, it's a time,
it's time. I think I think we are out of time.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
We are.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
What a great conversation, guys, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
You're accountable and je really quick, yes she did.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Thank you Angel for being with us aka Ajax, you know,
thank you for being on point.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Corey.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
It's always a pleasure of Corey spears Hip Hop healing
And to our listeners, thank you once again for tuning
into finding out with Pete and the poet Gold.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
We appreciate you, Thank you,
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 3 (00:11):
Good morning, you'll find out with Pete and the Poet Gold.
I'm Peter Leonard and I'm the Poet Gold and we're
on the morning Corey spears along with a student. And
before we go to the Poet Gold weekly pray a
poem incantation. We're going to let her explain what's new today.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Okay, So I'm going to turn it over to Angelica
also known as AJAX. Angelica as a student, a participant
of a program that Corey and I collaborated on, a
hip hop healing and poetry and podcast. And so Angelica,
I'm going to give it to you to read your poem.
It's called resilience.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Is that? What is it called? Against name of it?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Resilient and wise?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Resilient and wise?
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Okay, I am resilient and wise. I wonder if my
future is really mine to decide. I hear the wis
of the wind, see the beautiful spirit that lies within.
I want my voice to be heard to make a
positive impact on the world. I immerse myself in the
energy of you. I worry there's still so much to prove.
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I am resilient and wise. I understand that everything happens
for a reason. I say now to come and go,
like the changing of seasons, a dream of a time
where there's nothing but love on earth. I try to
make every day the prize that it's worth. I hope
one day my words will inspire in open minds. I
am resilient and wise. Thank you everybody.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yes, I love it.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
So Corey's tell our listeners about the program or our partnership
with Family Services and how everything worked out the objective.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yes, yes, So hip Hop Healing is a program that
surrounds around healing, empowerment and social change. And it was
wonderful collaborating with you poet Goal and in the poetry aspect,
while I pretty much dealt with the hip hop aspect
that had to do with the history of it, and
then also the engineering production behind pieces like what Angelica produced.
(02:14):
So yeah, and it was wonderful partnering with Family Partnership.
They are longtime collaborators, so I've always done programs with them,
such as the Content Creators program work in their community
studio at the Family Partnership.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And at the top of the program you'll hear you
would have heard rather the musical composition supporting Angelica's words
as well.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
When you say the musual composition, don't be as serious
about it, explaining that.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Well, it's the music that's put together to support to
carry her poem through. So I like the call on
poelities when you have music and poetry, and she did
such a great job in the studio, So why don't
we just go to you?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Angelica? What was the program like for you?
Speaker 5 (03:01):
It was a very It was a new experience. I
learned a lot about music production, and I also learned
that I'm capable of writing something. If you wouldn't even
say that.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
When you say you're capable of writing something, you knew
before that you know your letters and how to write.
But what does it mean to you to say you
are capable of writing something? That's a very powerful statement.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Before this program, I actually didn't believe I could ever
do something like that. The im poem that we started
with was it kind of it was something new to me,
like I've never done nothing like that before, I guess.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
So you found not only a talent that you might have,
but a confidence to make other people do it. So
when you say I found out I could write something,
what it sort of means is you found out that
you could write something that somebody else would be interested in.
Perhaps I want to tell you I was interested in it,
(04:01):
and that what it means. So I guess who is
another word for confidence? So I'm interested. It means I'm confident. Yeah,
how did you conceive of the program? Earlier in my life?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I was a hip hop artist myself, but I really
wasn't too concerned about necessarily being famous or popular. It
was more just to get out my emotions a lot
of the time to help me find balance within myself.
And then I found it very therapeutic. So that's something
that I wanted to share with the youth that I
worked with in the community healing.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Okay, oh thank you. But it's very easy for you
to say that and for all to respond that way.
But I'm seventy five years old, I'm white, and when
I hear hip hop healing, that sounds odd to me.
In other words, my preconceived notions or hip hop might
be fun, it might be live, it's not healing in
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other words, is in one sense, a person with my
perspective would see the oppice seems confusing and chaotic, and
you tell me how I'm wrong on that, because I
have full conference that i'm wrong. I'm a very person too.
Yeah you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
No, no worries at all, No, thank you for asking
as well. First and foremost, I would say hip hop
was based upon people talking about their surroundings, what was
going on in their environment and their communities, getting out
their emotions that had to do with that. So they
were really touching upon themselves and sharing with the people
around them. Before it got too much into being a
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popular dance craze, so on and so forth, it was
really just about reporting what was going on in the
communities and with them within themselves as well.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
It was storytelling, you know, it's about the griot. I mean, traditionally,
culturally you have the griot that would pass on the
stories of your community, of your tribe, and so that
so that your family stories or your village stories can continue.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Beyond just that just that tribe.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
And so as you got into let's say somewhat of
the seventies and and and the eighties, it evolved into
you know, you didn't have that one traditional riot per se,
but but you had people who wanted to communicate truthfully
about what was going on in the street or what
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was going on in their environment. And this was a
healthy way to be able to do it and to
do it with with joy, you know. To it was
when it became like in most art forms or sports,
where it may start off in a very noble place,
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but once you have the industries, the money machines step in,
then it becomes something different, you know. Then then it
becomes what what they wanted to become from a business standpoint,
what they feel is going to sell, even if it's
going to be harmful for society and community.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And so this is sort of.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Where hip hop in itself, like you said, you know,
in appearances, when someone says hip hop, people get sometimes uncomfortable,
and that is by design, you know. But it's not
from the root. It's by design that it would make
you uncomfortable. It's by design from an industry and commercialized
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perspective that only a certain type of hip hop was
pushed to the top and market it. But all the
educators of hip hop was sort of, you know, we
can't make money with this when that's what we were
listening to in the beginning, right for.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Our listeners who are with us every week, that's the
longest goal has ever gone. But she was looking at
me like anybody gets this straight? But it was so
appropriate because, like I say, the way hip hop represents
(08:13):
it to me, as you know a white person in
the seventies and eighties was this is a problem. There's
a lot of energy in this and it's uh, And
without anybody saying it, the implication was, uh, it's a
problem because it's a problem to us because we don't
understand it, and therefore you don't like it. How did
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that go back on the community? In other words, when,
as Gold says, the corporate interest may have seen a
profit possibility and scaring white people. But then if once
white people are scared and we're reflecting that, but back
on the black community, how did that feel? Well?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I think, say, if we take a song such as
fight the Power something like that that was trying to
galvanize the community and try to make a real change
that was going on and the different things that were
going on at that time period, that thing can be
kind of scary to certain communities, but also that is
a very positive way of expressing what's going on without
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necessarily doing riots, rebelling, necessarily being violent about something. It's
just something actually to change the mind and open your
mind up to different things in a different perspective about
what's going on in areas that you may not be
aware of.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Fight the power that was in the beginning of the Spiky.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Movie exactly, Public Enemy, Do.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
The Right Thing was the movie exactly. And then and
it comes on and Rosie Pereza saying the point, and
it comes on and dancing is very powerful and you know,
scared too strong a word. But I when I first
saw I recognized that I don't usually think myself as
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the power, but I recognize fight to power and fight
white power and white oppressive power. And so that's a
big deal. All coded on that, you know. And Joe,
I'm sure you don't remember any of these references. You know,
I'm seventy five. I don't think you are anywhere near
my age. But for you, as a young person hearing
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these references, and I recognize that Corey, you are very
at ease with the history of things.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yes, yeah, yes, because the historical aspect is very important
and That's what I love sharing with our students because
they may not be aware of it, so I have
to kind of take them back to the essence of
what it's about, because a lot of the times the
commercial aspect is very shown upon and rise to the
top when things should go back to the essence to
where we're talking about the poetry actually sometimes even behind
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the music. And that's what sparked my level of the
music was first starting off with poetry.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
If you're just turning in, you're listening to Finding Out
with Pete and the poet Gold and I'm the poet
Gold and we're here with Corey Spears, a CEO and
founder of Hip Hop Healing, as well as Angelica, also
known as Ajax, who was a student participant in a
program that Corey and I collaborated on at the Family
Family Partnership Family Services, Inc. In one of their youth programs.
(11:23):
So Angelica, tell me what Ajax is about?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
What What is that name about?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
So that was a nickname given to me by my
case manager at Nubian Direction.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Okay, right, and what is it? What does it mean?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You know?
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I know, actually it kind of came out and stuck
and I.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Like it you like it, like, well, maybe we can
give it some meaning because aj actually cleaned things with Ajax.
You know, uh, you know, you spot on when it
comes to your writing ability, in your future writing ability
and being able to gather your thoughts together.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
It was a joy having you in the program and
just you know, watching you come in and actually get
behind the microphone.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Our listeners don't know, but she's a little shy, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
And so this is this is a this is a
big step in you and you're doing a doing a
great job.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Thank you. You know when Corey says, you know, the
students don't necessarily know the history of things. They can't
know till they're told. I mean in other words, uh yeah,
none of us know till it's taught. And you know,
for you know, when you hear old people talk about
(12:34):
stuff that was going on before you were born, it
always strikes me as empty headed, like I sort of
know what happened, but I'm not interested. But now I
mentioned my agentuple times. Is you mind saying how old
you are?
Speaker 5 (12:48):
I am seventeen years old.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Okay, so seventeen is what do you do? You're a student.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I'm a student, a Knevian directions.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, okay, And there's a lot of creative uh, healing
might be is the wrong word. There's a lot of creative.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Energy there that is definite.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yes, And how do you experience it?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
How do I experience it? That was an interesting way
to form the question. It's it's a beautiful place. It's
it's so welcoming and loving. It's it's something different from Poughkeepsie,
Like does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, Bickpsie High School.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Mh. And what is that difference?
Speaker 5 (13:38):
It's much more focused. There's no distractions at all. We
get we gotta get done done, no drama. Everybody's friendly
except mister Corey.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's a it's a smaller group of students.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yes, who's Angelica?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Hi? You have a guest? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah, oh.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yes, you're a fan. We don't know which one but that.
But but even when you describe Nubian directions as being uh,
you know, loving and friendly, most high schools are not
like that.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yes, especially Hypsey High School. It's kind of scary in there,
you think, so, yeah, yeah, it's just bad energy. Like
as soon as I walked into the building, the lobby, like,
I don't know if it's lead in the paint there
or something. But I feel like my energy is just
being tooken from this unknown source.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
So being in a smaller environment that Nubian direction offers,
uh for you works better for you.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Yes, it's a much more comfortable vibe.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
And you work at Nubian as well. Right, So talk
about the program of how how you and Angelica met initially,
because I know that you came. A number of students
came through NUBI and Nubian is been around for some
time in the community of Poughkeepsie and it's done very
enriching work for.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Youth in the city of Poughkeepsie. Can you talk about
your role there?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah? Sure.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I started at Nubian as a math and science instructor,
worked there as a long time as an instructor, and
then I just recently transitioned into an employment employment developer
and I work with them in different transitions after they
get their hsc diplomas and then go on either to
their careers or into college. So I helped them navigate
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those different areas, whether it be finding employment, placing them
into apprenticeship programs, or into the transitions into.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Colleges and what's HSC.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
High school equivalency. So it's just a different name they
use now for the GD.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, okay, I got to learn stuff too, because you know,
I learned one set of letters another set the So
how many people are in the school all together right now?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
We have about twenty three students?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, yeah, okay, And as basically from thirteen to seventeen
is the age we're steen.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
To twenty sixteen to twenty four it's the age long time.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, and Angel, you're saying you like the students. There
are twenty three students and you like them all. Yeah, okay,
it's about one hundred percent is a lot. Yeah, And
do you have any sense besides individually, what it is
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about the school that may maybe helps each student learn
to like the other students. Is it a matter of
respecting the other students or respecting the school? What the
function is? You have any sense of that?
Speaker 5 (16:49):
When a new coalhart comes in, we for the first
like two weeks, we do like a bunch of group activity,
group discussions and stuff like that, just get to know
each other.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Basically, that's a creative welcome. Mostly, you go to high
school and you're just scared, right, So what are some of.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
What are some of the ways there are there game
activities that that they use as a part of an
introduction sort of what we did in the program. Remember
we did in the program about the name, the affirmation name?
What affirmation names?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
You come up with?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Accountable Angelica and accountable Angela. Why did you come up
with accountable Angelica? Because you could have been anything, you know,
So why did you choose the word accountable?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Because accountability is one of my biggest values.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Accountability, So you take responsibility for your choices?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Correct, very good, very good.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
And you might want to explain so secondation to you,
but you might want to explain about coming up with accountable.
That's not random.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yes, So we have a we open up usually in
workshops with an affirmation asking students to identify a character
six about themselves that they like people to know, you know,
who they are because we're often defined by other people,
and so this gives a student voice of taking ownership
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of who they are and how they wish to be
seen in the world, whether it's present or maybe it's
something that you want to become. You know, maybe you
don't have Maybe your name is Paula and y. I
use this as an example, your name is Paula, and
maybe you don't have all the patients in the world.
It's not to say that Paula is out there don't
have patients. I'm just using this as an example, Okay,
I don't want folks to get it twisted.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
So maybe you want to become more patient in your life.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
So instead of being you know, some other name like
pretty Paula, you know, or something, you choose patient Paula
because you know that you're aspiring to grow into patients.
So you can choose a and it always has to
be the first letter of your first name or a
name that.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You enjoy being called. So Angelica chose to be accountable.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
She wanted people to know that she's accountable for the
choices that she makes, or at least he tries to
be accountable. And I can appreciate that, you know, definitely.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I think that's actually very rare for a person of
any age to want to be accountable, but to have
the insight as a seventeen year old that you want
one of the things, uh, you say, I'm responsible for
what I do do. So when I say something that counts,
that's a lot. I mean one of the things. You know, politically,
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you might get whenever there's a mistake, Well, the political
people are running away from a mistake. Nobody says, yeah,
I made a mistake, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
So Corey, do you have a website? I meant to
ask you this, Yes, so share with our listeners to
your website.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Hip Hop Healing dot org.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
And so you talked a little about the history of
hip hop. How did you wind up I know you
do it Nubian. How did you wind up at Family Services?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
With with the program that I came in and collaborate
with you on.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yes, I started at Family Services as a consultant slash,
I don't know what you would call it. I came
in helping with their community studio a couple of years ago.
So they already had podcasting equipment and a little bit
of art stuff, so I came in helping them with that,
and that's kind of what to helped me develop the
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idea for this organization that we just started. So that's
where we started out actually doing podcasting, and then we
developed that into some graphic design so they can do
the thumbnails for their podcast that they were doing, and
then they were also doing some recording and music production
as well.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, and Joel with the music production. I know we
played the music before we came on the air being
recorded here, but you were dancing along to the music
in a way that I basically never saw anybody so
comfortable dancing some music by themselves. It wasn't like gold
(21:00):
joined in or for you know, to you by yourself,
But to me, it struck me like a sense of ownership.
You know, you should own that music in a way.
And I'll tell you, I'm surprised at that. You're not
only accountable, you're somebody who takes ownership and is willing
to share it. I wasn't for you to be dancing
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even different one.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
I just want to thank you for noticing. I'm just
really proud that I did that period.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I think you proud that you did the music. I
mean the poem that you did. Yeah, and that's good.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It showed when she came home, but she was, you know,
she was like, oh and we should have we should
have recorded it. I'm like, good, this is the most
obsecent Angelica moove, you know, independently, just you were just
doing your thing and and and uh and it was
it was apparent that that. You know, You're like, this
is mine. You know, I did this. You know it
was that I did this moment and it was wonderful, wonderful.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Watch what was it like for you? The writing process?
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Oh my, it was challenging. I'm not even gonna lie.
It was extremely challenging because I didn't think I was
capable of writing anything. But I really never saw myself
as a songwriter. But I guess, I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
But you took, sorry, you took to some of the
ideas of understanding very quickly, you know, metaphors and similes
and and you're really focused on, uh, the the I
M poem, which is which is most of what we
took to create your piece of work. You took to
that very very it seems like, seamlessly almost, So you
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definitely have have that gift in there to find your words.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
And and and and.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Bring a very positive thought forward. You know, it took
very little editing. I think the editing that I may
have contributed was somewhat even minor because the core thought
was there, which is helping you refine it.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You know, Gold mentioned that you're a shy person, so
I don't let's just admit that, And I'm going to
say something that might be difficult for you to hear.
You're good at writing, you're good at music, and you're
good at performance. That's a lot to be good at
all one time. And how does it feel to have
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those powers? Because I assume from what you're saying, you
were even discovering those things. I mean, those things might
be more apparent to Corey than they are to you.
So how does it feel to be discovering powers that
you have and being again accountable for that?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Thank you so much. I feel bussed. I guess I
feel really bussed.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, And I'm not putting words in them out, but
I assume you feel blessed you have talent, but I
built into that. It seems to me you feel blessed
that you have people around. Yes, okay, And how does
that work? Because if you don't discover the talents, they're
out there, I mean, you have to own them.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
I try to do something new every day, so that helps.
I like to read a lot, too.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
What do you like to read.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I like to read poetry. I like just random stuff.
I like to read the backs of books and if
it interests me, I'll might get into it. There's like
fifty books that I have started but haven't finished. I
like horror books, okay, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Let me uh. I don't like to give advice. Uh.
And not only because it's not followed. But don't ever
read a book you don't want to read, because there
are so many great books that when you saw them,
you saw so you become on fire. And if you
read books you don't like sorts of talent that that exists.
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So if you read eight pages and you don't like it,
don't read it anymore. It is my experience. So there's
a lot of things. And you notice other students in
your school, they have talents that they're just beginning to understand.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Also, I feel like everybody has talents, but there are
definitely a couple stars that shine a bit. I don't
I don't want to say that actually, but there are
definitely there's definitely a lot of talent at Nubie and directions.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Is it fun to be around that? Is?
Speaker 5 (25:43):
It is so fun? It is so fun.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Do you guys ever collaborate with each other or just
you know, sometimes we have to cipher, you know, in
a circle, all doing bits and pieces of rhymes or
hip hop and do you guys ever get together and
and do that.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I don't know about writing music. We haven't done that yet.
But during our breaks we all like to go downstairs,
you know, hop on the game, play some Jenga, group discussions.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, it's easy to have discussions with people you like, right, Yeah,
I mean, and probably when we have political life, we
have people who don't like each other and we make
them have discussions. It's not very good. I mean, real
discussion is exchanging ideas among people who like each other.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
So, Corey, I know that this hip hop healing is
predominantly for Poughkeepsie.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Correct, correct? Okay, So so how do you how.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Do you feel that it will impact the community or
grow within the community of Poughkeepsie. What's what's your vision
for it?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
My vision for it is to definitely grow beyond Poughkeepsie,
but I would like to definitely focus here because this
is where it all started for for me, and definitely
the passion for wanting to share it with the community
started here. I would love to start doing a lot
more events where we get out other artists young and old,
to come out and share the different things that they
(27:17):
have continue to do workshops, or we can tap into
different aspects of hip hop as well. We can get
into more of the graffiti aspect, the dancing aspect as well,
and then just continue to evolve.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, Corey, I don't want to be racially oversensitive, but
when I hear that you're looking to expand the graffiti part,
to me, graffiti is like a problem, not not something
to welcome. So again, I just want to bring that
up to see to demonstrate, you know, the cultural differences
(27:53):
that you are negotiating here too. Like, yeah, graffiti is
a pot it's a form of art, and yet I
think it's been sold to people like name as a
problem with graffiti on the subway's walls.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Well, I would say Poughkeepsie and Kingston, most of the
Upstate areas have been very warming to the art of graffiti.
So if you look, like when you go down to
the train station, you'll see a group of Boogie Reds
that did a wonderful mural on the uh the underpass
going under the bridge right by the Poughkeepsie Railroad station.
And then there's also a couple of awesome mirrors all
(28:30):
around the town. And these are all graffiti pieces from
local artists.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
And Boogie Reds is a friend of yours. Right, yeah,
and uh, you know that's that's real. At nobody's done
all that professional at right.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Right, But I mean, you know, but but once again,
I mean your point is valid. You know, folks do
have a perspective as graffiti is not art, and graffiti,
you know, initially was more or less the artists looking
for the canvas. You know, the artist was looking for
(29:05):
the canvas, and and the street was the canvas.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Now, don't get me wrong, you know, because.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
No, no, no, my my dad made some kids clean
up graffiti that that tagged our brown stone, you know,
and you know, grabbed them and got the paint in
the whole bit, and so they had to they had
to get that done. But but yeah, it's a time,
it's time. I think I think we are out of time.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
We are.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
What a great conversation, guys, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
You're accountable and je really quick, yes she did.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Thank you Angel for being with us aka Ajax, you know,
thank you for being on point.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Corey.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
It's always a pleasure of Corey spears Hip Hop healing
And to our listeners, thank you once again for tuning
into finding out with Pete and the poet Gold.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
We appreciate you, Thank you,
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