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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good morning, you'll find out with Pete and the poet Gold,
I'm Peter Hunter and the public Gold is off today,
but we're on the year with Uncle Mike Hanson, our producer,
and a radio Personnagy from w r w D. So
everybody's happy to be here in the studio today and
Uncle Mike, I know, you know, we have lots to
talk about today, and the way we were thinking about
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it is, uh, you know, I have anybody who has
been an intensive listening to my picks up that I
have left wing views, and I'd like to have a
New Year's party for myself and flaunt some of those
left wing opinions. And of course I'm always balanced off
by my uncle Mike, who's h doesn't share this exact
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same opinions, but we want to do that, and then
we also want to remind people in our last segment
about the great non profits that we have locally. So
we have a national show, which is of course national
is vocal, and then we have a Vocal show which
is local. So O, Mike, I'm ga three with you today, Peter.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It's always good to be with you. And I want
to make a point that you and I talk about
all the time, and you mentioned on the show we
did for New Years about how integrity could be a
whole show, and it could. You're part of my family.
I love you to death. You and I don't share
the same views on a lot of things. Yeah, but
that has never interfered with our relationship and it never will.
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And that's the way the world should be. It's okay
to disagree. That's a healthy thing to have disagreement because
sometimes I know you have brought some things up about
situations I was pretty vehement about and when I heard
your side of it, it made me think a little
bit about maybe I'm not as up to beat as
I should be. And I think that's a healthy thing.
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And I think that's one of the points we want
to make during the show how important integrity is. And
we're going to talk about national politics and there ain't
a whole lot of integrity there anymore, unfortunately. But where
do you want to start?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I guess you know for me, and this is what
we'll thought of for a place, will be brief about it,
but this is a place we disagree. I know you
always think when we bring this, when we talk about
this twenty twenty election, you always say that's the past.
We should get on the future. And all my very
very deep sense is the election in twenty twenty is
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crucial to what's going on today because President Trump, everybody
in his administration has either had to say explicitly or
implicitly that he won the election in twenty twenty. Now
that's wrong. In other words, that's not factual. The easiest
way to show that is he doesn't even say why
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he won anymore. It's the story changed a hundred times.
It was the Italians, it was the computers, it.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Was none of which he was able to prove.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Not only not proof, he didn't even there's no evidence.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I mean, he's all the court, all the lawsuits.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Sixty yeix court cases were dismissed.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
But it's interesting, Peter, because my view, and it's because
the work I do with veterans and addiction recovery is
so many of those people need to rip off the
rear view mirror and go forward, paying attention to the windshield,
not what's behind you. And I understand what you're saying,
because it does influence everything. I think. Once he got
re elected, he's still saying it, but he's not as
vehement as he used to do.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
He's but he's the one who keeps bringing it up.
And the reason is the way it relates to our
current discussion is just a lack of integrity when there's
something that's not true that you are swearing is true
and you know it's not true, and for the administration
around him, they virtually all know it's not true. There
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might be three or four people will really nuts and
have rejected the world so much as they did no
longer believe in evidence.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I think you've made the point several times. Anybody who
is in that administration and is going to stay there
is going to have to agree with him or he's
going to get rid of him. That's just the way
he opt. Either you're with me or you're not, and
not even either you're with me or you're gone. And
so far this administration, he hasn't fired a whole lot
of people, so I must all be towing the line
as far as he's concerned. And he's got some talented
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people there. Every administration has talented people in. I don't
like the fact that he at this day and age,
he still doesn't hesitate to attack Joe Biden. And whether
you like Joe Biden or not, he is the past
president and what he did is over with. If you
think he caused some damage, that's fine. But every past
administration had some bad things that they did, no matter
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which one it was. And I used to like when
when Chuck Benfer was still here, when anything happened, you'd
walk in and if you were on the hot seat,
he would look at you and say, I don't want
to talk about what you did and what's wrong. What's
your solution. That's the way he managed we've got a problem.
Let's focus on the solution. And I think politics, especially
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our national politics, are national leaders don't think that way.
They're not focused on solutions.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I think one of the characteristics, and it's very genuine
of the conservative mind, is that blame is a very
high category. You know, everyone eventually gets to it, and
it's important in a way to find out, but before
you even know the facts, they want to blame people.
You know, that's rough. And Trump's a blamer. It's never
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hit him. And you know, the lack of integrity is
a very nice way to put it. And you know,
if you go into the administration's basically swearing that you
think you've won the election, your integrity is already gone. Yeah,
So that's something something I think remains important and it
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plays out. We'll keep it on the integrity issue. President
Trump doesn't really he lies a great deal. I mean,
I think when I say lies, it's not exactly the
right word, because I think one of the thing is
that distinguishers Donald Trump from President Trump from the rest
of us is that most of us care for lying
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or not. You know, we all do it. We've done it,
and other policy and politicians might do it more than
other people. But Donald Trump, I think, doesn't really make
a distinction between truth and falsity. He says what he
thinks is to his advantage, and that's really different. The
best friend I ever had in the world was like that,
and I never thought he should be president. I say,
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you know, but uh, it's a peculiar thing not to
have that distinction. So if we go to a small thing,
just like President Trump feels very comfortable, you know, okay, say, uh,
mayor Electmandani. You know, he's a communist and he's a
socialist and a dirt bag, and every and then he
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meets him, he says, he's a great guy. He's going
to be terrific. I feel comfortable in New York. He
doesn't care, he doesn't care what he says.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Well, that's interesting. Your description is interesting. And the last
few campaigns especially, I've been so disappointed, and we've talked
about it. Most of the campaigns were focused on one
side saying how bad the other side was, That's what
the big money was paid for, instead of saying, hey,
you know, we've got a problem in this country, and
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we do. This country has got a lot of problems,
and what are the solutions. If I'm going to run,
if you and I are going to run, I am
gonna myself and you tell me I could never get
into politics because I have too much common sense. But
I would want to be saying this is the problem
we have. We have homelessness or hunger or any of
those issues that are really important. Here's my solution. This
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is what I think we should take our federal dollars
and this is what we should do, and none of
them are doing it. Neither side right now, unfortunately, because
the division is so sharp right now, that's the game
right now. You know, you watch when when Jefferies gets
on the air or when Senator Schumer, they're just full
blown going after this guy is a no good, evil
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man who's going to destroy this country. And he's on
the other side saying, look what Joe Biden did, and
look what he did here, And in the meantime, all
those problems are still festering, nothing's being done about him,
and here we are talking about it.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And my sense is one of the places i'ms fon
Froli excels is in blaming other people. And one of
the things they'll say parenthetically that I like about Trump,
and it sounds like, I mean, condescending, But you've heard
me say before. He doesn't really ever say he's a
great guy. You know. He always says the other people
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are skunks. He is not somebody who's making believe. He
believes in God and all these traditional virtues.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
But he has an ego the size of Cleveland. Yeah,
I mean to try to rename the Kennedy Centator the
Trump Kennedy Center. That was offensive to me, and that
was a memory of of John F. Kennedy and the
Kennedy family and leave it alone. Why do you have
to put your name on it? So there are some
things along the way that he does it. I scratched
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my head and I say, what is he how and
what is he gaining by that? He's not He's making
more enemies by doing that. And you know, on the
other side too, there's some of the some of the
statements and rhetoric is dangerous and has caused some people
some danger personally, and both sides don't seem to care
about that.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, but when as soon as you say both sides,
I know what you mean. But it's ninety percent on
his side of the thin and if and if the
other side does it't ten percent. I don't approve of
that either.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I think it's higher than ninety ten, but I agree
with it. It was, But we came into this whole
cycle even before he came down the escalator, where that
already kind of existed. You're listening to Pete Napoel Gold.
I'm uncle Mike and I'm Peter and Gold is taking
a much needed rest and she'll be back with us
next week.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Amen to that. Yeah, yeah, bet Donald Trump is singular.
First of all, you point out he's got a big ego,
but I do want to point out he's not breaking
about how good he is. He's complaining about how big
his enemies are.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, but he doesn't hesitate Peters saying that, you know,
the ballroom is going to be the greatest ever I've
kept the world out of all these wars. And I
mean he leads in a lot of times saying, you know,
he'll say something that he's accomplished it's the first time
in history that's ever happened. So he does blow his
own horn saying that.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
He didn't blow his own horn. But he not only breaks,
he makes stuff up. I mean, like he you.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Know, he just it's called editorial license. It's there's another version,
the editorial licenses.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
But you know that's a big deal. And uh, the
issues that I'm most concerned about it is, you know
that's as honesty or lack of integrity, uh with President
Trump in his administration. But also uh, I'm concerned about
I guess the top issues would for me would be
the immigration. The way he's speaking so badly about people
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who were not born in this country. And you know,
as if they were all rapists, they rule, and it's
an exception if you're a decent person. Yeah, but keeps
you would be a ghost town without our population from Mexico.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The country wouldn't be what it is without an immigrants,
including our families, Donald Trump's family, Donald Trump's family as well.
And again you get back to what was was the
way the border was handled during the Biden administration good.
I don't think it was. I don't think anybody thinks
it was. It let a lot of people in here
that should not have got in here. But to throw
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the baby out with the bathwater is kind of what
you're talking about where you know, you know, and and
the Ice agents who who are are doing their jobs
based on what they think their jobs are, and it
doesn't you know, it seems to be acceptable in some
cases where they do overstep because they're doing well. They
are getting rid of bad people some time. To your point,
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there are people who do deserve to be here. Coming
in illegally is not a good idea, But we wouldn't
be where we are without immigration.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
And coming in without papers is a civil offense, it's
not even a felony. So notion that it would be
better if it was legal. The thing is, the laws
are set up that you have to be a middle
or up middle class Mexican to get in, and they're
poor people who need to be here.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well, but the problem, Peter is I hear what you're saying.
But because of the way it was done, there are
a lot of dangerous people that got in this country.
They shouldn't be here. Everybody agrees with that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
You don't think so you don't think some dangerous people
got in here? They should.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Of course, some dangerous people got in, but the percentage
of I mean, and this is backed up by every
study since nineteen twelve that immigrants commit crimes at a
lower rate native born people. And uh, so you know,
are they dangerous Catholic priests? Yes, there are, doesn't mean
old Catholic priests are bad? Are there some? But it's
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a characterize Catholic priests as pedophiles.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Or that's unfair.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
No, it's not fair. Well, Mexicans as rapists. This is
not only not fair, it's it's wicked. And I uh
and Donald Trump feels President Trump feels very comfortable branding
people that way and dehumanizing and making their lives worse,
and the I says it is Mike showing up with
masks on. I mean, my my family has been in
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law enforcement in New York City for generations. None of
them ever felt they had away a minute. The mask
is they had to scare you. You know. It's uh, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
You can keep you behind your identity.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
You're supposed to have your name or that.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
But what I'm saying it's part of that is is
it almost sets you up for I may be gonna
do something wrong and I don't want to know who
I am. And I think that's part of it maybe
for some and you're gonna you know, you grew up
in with law enforcement in your family, and I've been
around it all my life. There are some bad apples
that get into law enforcements and it happens. That's a
tough job. And you know, the the old theory that
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the fine line between a criminal and a police officer
is very fine because their minds, in a lot of
ways work the same way. It's just that little bit
of integrity that we're talking about that sometimes gets compromised.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, and the integrity is real, and I'm very much
for more enforcement and dangerous people should be box up
a banished. The notion virtually every next immigrant in Poughkeepsie
and this right the country is scared now is unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
It's because of profiling. Yeah, even if leaders in the
police department agree that profiling is a bad way to
conduct the business. And that's happening now and it has
happened forever. It still has all all our ethnic groups here.
There is prejudice is still alive and well in this country,
very alive and well. People have go better at hiding
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their prejudice, but is still there.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That's profound things to say. And so we have the
immigration stuff that I'm very critical. Also, you know the
bombing of these boats in the Caribbean, making believe that
the drug run. Of course I would not be at
all surprised there were drugs on it. Running drugs is
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not a capital offense. In other words, you can't. You
don't execute people you have convicted of drug running. You
don't kill me. You put them in jail. You do
what we have tradition in the clast Guard takes the boats,
they search the boats, they arrest the people, they look
to make investigations go up the line to bomb them.
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There's no law enforcement of law that allows that enginational domestically,
and it's just big policy when we brag about it.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But he took the step of getting them categorized as
terrorists because they're bringing the fentanyl into this country and
killing Americans. So you're saying there's no laws, there is,
there is a precedent or whatever you want to say,
he put on by doing what he did by declaring
that the drug cartels are terrorists, he now has given
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himself license to go and bomb them.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And the key thing you said, he's given him self license,
he's declared. It has not gone through the Congress. There's
no legal substance to that. It's still an illegal thing.
And even if being a terrorist is different from being
a drug runner.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Really you don't think that. You don't think the danger
of all that ventan, all that's coming into this country
is a real danger. I can tell you from the
drug recovery side of it. I know a lot of
people I've lost who innocently got killed by fentanyl because
it's been brought in here. And it's not just the
Mexican cartels. China is behind this because China manufactures most
of it. And you know it's so. I mean, you're
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at a point where I think I see what you're saying.
But at the same time, if you were to pull
up those boats are running drugs. They have a whole
cargo of drugs on and they see the coastguard coming,
they dump it into the water before the coastguard gets there.
So his theory is they'll just go back and get
another load if we don't do something to them. So
by I know, it sounds extreme, but by blowing that
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boat up, you've eliminated the whole situation.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Doesn't sound extreme. It's murder. I mean, you know, but.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
What's your solution. How do we stop how do we
stop the flow?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well, you're not going to stop the flow. Well, well,
one way one way of really cutting down on the
flow is suspending enough huge amounts of money in drug
prevention with our young people and with our side. Every
drug that's taken into an American system is injected by
the American who does it. You know, the demand is great.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
But withal Peter, there are times they don't even know it's. Yes,
yes that is such a deadly drug.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yes, but they know they're taking something they shouldn't I'm
not going to I don't want to blame anybody who
died offenanyl the but the notion that what's the solution.
There are lots of solution that we've tried and we've
not been very successful with, but bowing up people whether
they're running drugs, suspected of running drugs, and what about
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getting big the big shot drug deals like the guy
from Honduras who was the president of Honduras, who was
convicted in the American courts. He were for twenty years.
He ran drugs, he put you know, they say, four
hundred tons of cocaine into American systems. That guy got
a pardon from the President of the United States. There's
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no way to shrug your shoulders on Mike that guy.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah. Okay, But my thing again, like we were talking earlier,
what's the solution here though? I mean, you want to
go after them? Well, they are very very well established,
very well armed, and it's going to be to take
them out.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Okay, Well, they have a war that's legal. And don't
you know you see, you know we have the films
that are the boats are small boats. How many strugs
could you have on them? And I mean you know,
you go way after them at a high level. The
other side of it is you go after it at
the demand level. In other words, we could have better
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education for American people so that there would be lessened
demand for drugs. And that doesn't mean if you have
a street criminal who's running drugs or a cartel member
that they shouldn't be really rammed into jail.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
You're listening to Peter and the poet.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Gold and I'm Peter Leonard, I'm.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Uncle Mike, and Poel Gold is listening. I'm sure and
she'll be with us next week.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
And you know, another thing, before we get to some
of our local agencies, you know, there's the amount of uh,
you know right with talk that's bad. Is something I
want to go back to what you call the lack
of integrity, and you know we had, but I want
to point out that how extreme and that's I'm taking
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to me an optimistic thing from my side. Last February,
I was there was genuine reason and I was genuinely
afraid that America was going to be in much worse
condition there than it is. I was afraid that medicaid
was going to be really cut. I was afraid that
human services are going to be cut, that the courts
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were going to be even more corrupt than they are.
I mean, don't the President Trump has lost a lot
in the last three months from the elections on, and
so I'm saying that I think there's a strong chance
that this is a prediction. I'm not good at them,
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but I think this time next year President Trump will
have resigned from the presidency. Wow, because and I think
that because he is losing things, and the more you lose,
the more you're likely to lose. And his disposition is
something that could just get sick of it, and the
more you get sick of it, the more people you
would lose. So I'm hiking the unusual prediction that he's.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Going to putting a lot of money on that.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Buddy.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I don't think he's not going to walk away.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
He's not going to walk away. He's gonna knows.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
They can try. I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I don't and we'll see.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I think the blame is going to continue to get
bigger and bigger. He's going to blame other people.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
But the more support you lose, the more support you lose.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
And you know, you know, it's interesting before we get
to the nonprofits just to kind of kind of sum
this all up with integrity, which is really what we're
talking about, and the lack thereof when you think about
some of the policies that our government has that are
so hypocritical at this point, Why are cigarettes still legal?
Cancer is killing people at a much more alarming rate
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than fentanyl is, and it's not only killing people, it's
ruining people's lives, and yet the government doesn't ban tobacco.
Alcohol is another thing, which you know, we went through
that with prohibition that didn't work. But you know, there's
so many and there's a lot of over the counter
drugs that are extremely Opioids are extremely dangerous, and we
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got a little better at that keeping the doctors from
just writing them like candy, but it's still out there.
And I can tell you every surgery I've had immediately
they oxy was the first thing they prescribed, and I
was I never took it, to be honest with you,
I did try taking it. One of the first ones
is I was in a lot of pain. It did
nothing for me. The ibuy Profen, higher dose ibuy prof
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and worked better, and I was much happier taking that.
Even though that's not good for you either, but it
was better than taking the doxy for no reason.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
My final question, Mike, who is the radical now? I
mean would it mean? Is you have? You have used
it way more radical than mine? I think, so, well,
what are we doing with cigarettes? I mean, I agree
with you, but.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
That's the point I'm making for the government hymocracy. There
is some of the policies they have don't work. They
know they don't work, and yet they just keep pushing
them through. I mean, both sides push them through. They
don't stop. And again you follow the money, that's some
of it. Pharmaceutical industry has is the biggest campaign contribution
for years now, and they get their way. There's very
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little times you see that the pharmaceutical industry gets slapped down.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
But yes, yes, I mean we certainly have a lot
of hypocrisy and all, and we don't need more of
what we need less of it. And people being careful
around speech. I mean, you know the President Trump saying
at the Kirk funeral, I hate my enemies. The enemies
are the Democrats. It's that's the country. What are you
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kidding me? I mean, this is not good for us
to hear and i you know, he's against the Mexicans,
he's against he seems not to be against Norwegians. But
the racial stuff is big. But we both agree that
we want to get to what's really great discounsel.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, absolutely, Hudson Valleys. Sure, there's so many great, so
many great nonprofits here that do so much good and
they take up the slack where the government has failed.
H you know, Family Services is one right here in Poughkeepsie.
That's a fantastic organization. They help a lot of people,
you know, I'm sure you've got a few that you
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you I.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Mean when you say the nonprofits take up where the
government fail. Still, there's huge amounts of support government support
for in some cases local nonprofits. And when you're threatening that,
when you're threatening grants nonprofits, you're threatening the people. And
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a nonprofit or places the government into sections. In my
life the most clearly there are forty four year old
son with developments and disabilities and he there's a New
Horizons group home.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And fantastic organization.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
The best thing that ever happened to me, I'm seventy
five years old. The best thing that happened to me
was Kevin becoming a resident of New Horizons when you're
twenty seven years old and you know, fourteen seventeen years now,
and he it's great not only for him and my family,
but for America. You want to be in a country
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to treat people decently and to have a place like
New Horizons is terrific. And that's all medicate, not all,
but largely Medicaid funding. Same thing with you know, Gray's
Zone or abilities first and this is America at its best.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
But even that, Peter, when you when you strip it
down to the bare bones, sometimes because of the support
they get from the grants, they have to do things
a certain way or they lose the grants. And that
shouldn't be. If you want, if you and I we
see a charity we want to help, I don't want
to know. I want to know that the money is
going where we hope it's going. But if they do things,
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is that they've proven success with it may not the government,
they shouldn't be able to take the funding away from No.
I mean, it's there's so many of them out there, Peter.
You know, the Mental Health America is one here that
does a lot for a lot of people. And I
can tell you know Andrew'grady's is a dear friend of
both of ours. And I've had some situations over the
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years with people in my life that I was severely
concerned about. I did not know what to do. I
called him and every one of them he intervened and
he did get the person help and we haven't lost
any of him yet, and he knew what to do immediately.
I called him up and I got halfway through the
story and he says, I understand, let me make some
phone calls. I'm going to get somebody involved. And within
a day or two, my fear of that person committing
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suicide or overdosing dissipated a lot. I mean, it's always
going to be there, but to a point where I
felt like they had a fighting chance.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, and again, the nonprofits could operate better than they did,
just the fact that you and I know a lot
of people in nonprofits and we can get their attention
pretty quickly. And that shouldn't be my son having these
great services that are thrilling. Lots of people are not
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getting them because they're not enough money for it. They
get excluded. They don't know that's it. It's tough.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
And another big part of that, which we talk about
all the time is stigma. Stigma is still raw and
there and out front. You know, you break your arm,
you're appendix heartch you go to a doctor and you
get treatment because you know it's bad. It could end
up really hurting you. But if you're suffering from anxiety
or depression and you're worried about I'm worried about what
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I don't I'm using this. You're not like that, But
I'm saying if I had a situation where I was
worried about, well, what's Peter gonna think of me? Maybe
I should just grin and bear it for a little while.
That ends in suicide usually. Yeah, rough, So stigma is
another thing that needs.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
To be Sigma is you and you gook at so
many of the other nonprofits we have in Poughkeepsie from
like the All Effect, which is so good. Custerner of
the Housing is a big deal. There'll be in directions.
We're really rich with great people who want to do
great work, and we need more funding for that.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Sadly it's only a half hour show, Peter, because we
could have started at the beginning and name we could
have named the organizations for the whole half hour. That's
we didn't mean to leave anyone out because there's some
really great ones here. And I will tell you my
buddy Adam Roach, who's the director of Veteran Services. He
says all the time, it's okay not to be okay.
You've got to accept that everybody has their demons. It's okay,
but it's not okay not to get help, because it
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will kill you. And that's the point I think, I
really want to stress. Whatever you're suffering, whatever you're going through,
there's somebody here in the Hudson Valley that will help you.
It's out there. Sometimes it's hard to find, but it's there,
and you have got to make that determination that I
have a problem, I need help, Where do I go?
What do I do?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
And I want to make the point that your country
will help you. It's not just an agency. Most of
those agencies have federal funding because you, as an American,
deserve to be helped and amen to the United States
government and the agencies and implement the value of equality
and freedom that we have here.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Well, Peter, I told you, I love you. You're like
a brother, your family to me. And even though we disagree,
on a lot of things. It doesn't matter to me.
I know you're a good human being and you've helped
a lot of people yourself, and and I really, I
really think if we could get everybody to have a
relationship like we have, you know, it would be a
much better place.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Because everything you say I feel about you. But Mike,
I want to say, it's a backup companies. I'm not
for them, But I'm not fore bombing to me either.
I don't want to bother why not doing bad things?
I'm kidding. Happy New Year to everybody.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, Peter, Happy New Year, thanks for listening to Peter
and the Poe Gold the Paul will be back with
us next week. And happy new Year everybody.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah man,
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It's staff management or ownership.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good morning, you'll find out with Pete and the poet Gold,
I'm Peter Hunter and the public Gold is off today,
but we're on the year with Uncle Mike Hanson, our producer,
and a radio Personnagy from w r w D. So
everybody's happy to be here in the studio today and
Uncle Mike, I know, you know, we have lots to
talk about today, and the way we were thinking about
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it is, uh, you know, I have anybody who has
been an intensive listening to my picks up that I
have left wing views, and I'd like to have a
New Year's party for myself and flaunt some of those
left wing opinions. And of course I'm always balanced off
by my uncle Mike, who's h doesn't share this exact
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same opinions, but we want to do that, and then
we also want to remind people in our last segment
about the great non profits that we have locally. So
we have a national show, which is of course national
is vocal, and then we have a Vocal show which
is local. So O, Mike, I'm ga three with you today, Peter.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It's always good to be with you. And I want
to make a point that you and I talk about
all the time, and you mentioned on the show we
did for New Years about how integrity could be a
whole show, and it could. You're part of my family.
I love you to death. You and I don't share
the same views on a lot of things. Yeah, but
that has never interfered with our relationship and it never will.
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And that's the way the world should be. It's okay
to disagree. That's a healthy thing to have disagreement because
sometimes I know you have brought some things up about
situations I was pretty vehement about and when I heard
your side of it, it made me think a little
bit about maybe I'm not as up to beat as
I should be. And I think that's a healthy thing.
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And I think that's one of the points we want
to make during the show how important integrity is. And
we're going to talk about national politics and there ain't
a whole lot of integrity there anymore, unfortunately. But where
do you want to start?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I guess you know for me, and this is what
we'll thought of for a place, will be brief about it,
but this is a place we disagree. I know you
always think when we bring this, when we talk about
this twenty twenty election, you always say that's the past.
We should get on the future. And all my very
very deep sense is the election in twenty twenty is
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crucial to what's going on today because President Trump, everybody
in his administration has either had to say explicitly or
implicitly that he won the election in twenty twenty. Now
that's wrong. In other words, that's not factual. The easiest
way to show that is he doesn't even say why
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he won anymore. It's the story changed a hundred times.
It was the Italians, it was the computers, it.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Was none of which he was able to prove.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Not only not proof, he didn't even there's no evidence.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I mean, he's all the court, all the lawsuits.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Sixty yeix court cases were dismissed.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
But it's interesting, Peter, because my view, and it's because
the work I do with veterans and addiction recovery is
so many of those people need to rip off the
rear view mirror and go forward, paying attention to the windshield,
not what's behind you. And I understand what you're saying,
because it does influence everything. I think. Once he got
re elected, he's still saying it, but he's not as
vehement as he used to do.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
He's but he's the one who keeps bringing it up.
And the reason is the way it relates to our
current discussion is just a lack of integrity when there's
something that's not true that you are swearing is true
and you know it's not true, and for the administration
around him, they virtually all know it's not true. There
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might be three or four people will really nuts and
have rejected the world so much as they did no
longer believe in evidence.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I think you've made the point several times. Anybody who
is in that administration and is going to stay there
is going to have to agree with him or he's
going to get rid of him. That's just the way
he opt. Either you're with me or you're not, and
not even either you're with me or you're gone. And
so far this administration, he hasn't fired a whole lot
of people, so I must all be towing the line
as far as he's concerned. And he's got some talented
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people there. Every administration has talented people in. I don't
like the fact that he at this day and age,
he still doesn't hesitate to attack Joe Biden. And whether
you like Joe Biden or not, he is the past
president and what he did is over with. If you
think he caused some damage, that's fine. But every past
administration had some bad things that they did, no matter
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which one it was. And I used to like when
when Chuck Benfer was still here, when anything happened, you'd
walk in and if you were on the hot seat,
he would look at you and say, I don't want
to talk about what you did and what's wrong. What's
your solution. That's the way he managed we've got a problem.
Let's focus on the solution. And I think politics, especially
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our national politics, are national leaders don't think that way.
They're not focused on solutions.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I think one of the characteristics, and it's very genuine
of the conservative mind, is that blame is a very
high category. You know, everyone eventually gets to it, and
it's important in a way to find out, but before
you even know the facts, they want to blame people.
You know, that's rough. And Trump's a blamer. It's never
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hit him. And you know, the lack of integrity is
a very nice way to put it. And you know,
if you go into the administration's basically swearing that you
think you've won the election, your integrity is already gone. Yeah,
So that's something something I think remains important and it
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plays out. We'll keep it on the integrity issue. President
Trump doesn't really he lies a great deal. I mean,
I think when I say lies, it's not exactly the
right word, because I think one of the thing is
that distinguishers Donald Trump from President Trump from the rest
of us is that most of us care for lying
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or not. You know, we all do it. We've done it,
and other policy and politicians might do it more than
other people. But Donald Trump, I think, doesn't really make
a distinction between truth and falsity. He says what he
thinks is to his advantage, and that's really different. The
best friend I ever had in the world was like that,
and I never thought he should be president. I say,
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you know, but uh, it's a peculiar thing not to
have that distinction. So if we go to a small thing,
just like President Trump feels very comfortable, you know, okay, say, uh,
mayor Electmandani. You know, he's a communist and he's a
socialist and a dirt bag, and every and then he
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meets him, he says, he's a great guy. He's going
to be terrific. I feel comfortable in New York. He
doesn't care, he doesn't care what he says.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Well, that's interesting. Your description is interesting. And the last
few campaigns especially, I've been so disappointed, and we've talked
about it. Most of the campaigns were focused on one
side saying how bad the other side was, That's what
the big money was paid for, instead of saying, hey,
you know, we've got a problem in this country, and
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we do. This country has got a lot of problems,
and what are the solutions. If I'm going to run,
if you and I are going to run, I am
gonna myself and you tell me I could never get
into politics because I have too much common sense. But
I would want to be saying this is the problem
we have. We have homelessness or hunger or any of
those issues that are really important. Here's my solution. This
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is what I think we should take our federal dollars
and this is what we should do, and none of
them are doing it. Neither side right now, unfortunately, because
the division is so sharp right now, that's the game
right now. You know, you watch when when Jefferies gets
on the air or when Senator Schumer, they're just full
blown going after this guy is a no good, evil
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man who's going to destroy this country. And he's on
the other side saying, look what Joe Biden did, and
look what he did here, And in the meantime, all
those problems are still festering, nothing's being done about him,
and here we are talking about it.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And my sense is one of the places i'ms fon
Froli excels is in blaming other people. And one of
the things they'll say parenthetically that I like about Trump,
and it sounds like, I mean, condescending, But you've heard
me say before. He doesn't really ever say he's a
great guy. You know. He always says the other people
(08:40):
are skunks. He is not somebody who's making believe. He
believes in God and all these traditional virtues.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
But he has an ego the size of Cleveland. Yeah,
I mean to try to rename the Kennedy Centator the
Trump Kennedy Center. That was offensive to me, and that
was a memory of of John F. Kennedy and the
Kennedy family and leave it alone. Why do you have
to put your name on it? So there are some
things along the way that he does it. I scratched
(09:07):
my head and I say, what is he how and
what is he gaining by that? He's not He's making
more enemies by doing that. And you know, on the
other side too, there's some of the some of the
statements and rhetoric is dangerous and has caused some people
some danger personally, and both sides don't seem to care
about that.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, but when as soon as you say both sides,
I know what you mean. But it's ninety percent on
his side of the thin and if and if the
other side does it't ten percent. I don't approve of
that either.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I think it's higher than ninety ten, but I agree
with it. It was, But we came into this whole
cycle even before he came down the escalator, where that
already kind of existed. You're listening to Pete Napoel Gold.
I'm uncle Mike and I'm Peter and Gold is taking
a much needed rest and she'll be back with us
next week.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Amen to that. Yeah, yeah, bet Donald Trump is singular.
First of all, you point out he's got a big ego,
but I do want to point out he's not breaking
about how good he is. He's complaining about how big
his enemies are.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, but he doesn't hesitate Peters saying that, you know,
the ballroom is going to be the greatest ever I've
kept the world out of all these wars. And I
mean he leads in a lot of times saying, you know,
he'll say something that he's accomplished it's the first time
in history that's ever happened. So he does blow his
own horn saying that.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
He didn't blow his own horn. But he not only breaks,
he makes stuff up. I mean, like he you.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Know, he just it's called editorial license. It's there's another version,
the editorial licenses.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
But you know that's a big deal. And uh, the
issues that I'm most concerned about it is, you know
that's as honesty or lack of integrity, uh with President
Trump in his administration. But also uh, I'm concerned about
I guess the top issues would for me would be
the immigration. The way he's speaking so badly about people
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who were not born in this country. And you know,
as if they were all rapists, they rule, and it's
an exception if you're a decent person. Yeah, but keeps
you would be a ghost town without our population from Mexico.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The country wouldn't be what it is without an immigrants,
including our families, Donald Trump's family, Donald Trump's family as well.
And again you get back to what was was the
way the border was handled during the Biden administration good.
I don't think it was. I don't think anybody thinks
it was. It let a lot of people in here
that should not have got in here. But to throw
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the baby out with the bathwater is kind of what
you're talking about where you know, you know, and and
the Ice agents who who are are doing their jobs
based on what they think their jobs are, and it
doesn't you know, it seems to be acceptable in some
cases where they do overstep because they're doing well. They
are getting rid of bad people some time. To your point,
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there are people who do deserve to be here. Coming
in illegally is not a good idea, But we wouldn't
be where we are without immigration.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
And coming in without papers is a civil offense, it's
not even a felony. So notion that it would be
better if it was legal. The thing is, the laws
are set up that you have to be a middle
or up middle class Mexican to get in, and they're
poor people who need to be here.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well, but the problem, Peter is I hear what you're saying.
But because of the way it was done, there are
a lot of dangerous people that got in this country.
They shouldn't be here. Everybody agrees with that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
You don't think so you don't think some dangerous people
got in here? They should.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Of course, some dangerous people got in, but the percentage
of I mean, and this is backed up by every
study since nineteen twelve that immigrants commit crimes at a
lower rate native born people. And uh, so you know,
are they dangerous Catholic priests? Yes, there are, doesn't mean
old Catholic priests are bad? Are there some? But it's
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a characterize Catholic priests as pedophiles.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Or that's unfair.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
No, it's not fair. Well, Mexicans as rapists. This is
not only not fair, it's it's wicked. And I uh
and Donald Trump feels President Trump feels very comfortable branding
people that way and dehumanizing and making their lives worse,
and the I says it is Mike showing up with
masks on. I mean, my my family has been in
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law enforcement in New York City for generations. None of
them ever felt they had away a minute. The mask
is they had to scare you. You know. It's uh, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
You can keep you behind your identity.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
You're supposed to have your name or that.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
But what I'm saying it's part of that is is
it almost sets you up for I may be gonna
do something wrong and I don't want to know who
I am. And I think that's part of it maybe
for some and you're gonna you know, you grew up
in with law enforcement in your family, and I've been
around it all my life. There are some bad apples
that get into law enforcements and it happens. That's a
tough job. And you know, the the old theory that
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the fine line between a criminal and a police officer
is very fine because their minds, in a lot of
ways work the same way. It's just that little bit
of integrity that we're talking about that sometimes gets compromised.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, and the integrity is real, and I'm very much
for more enforcement and dangerous people should be box up
a banished. The notion virtually every next immigrant in Poughkeepsie
and this right the country is scared now is unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
It's because of profiling. Yeah, even if leaders in the
police department agree that profiling is a bad way to
conduct the business. And that's happening now and it has
happened forever. It still has all all our ethnic groups here.
There is prejudice is still alive and well in this country,
very alive and well. People have go better at hiding
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their prejudice, but is still there.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That's profound things to say. And so we have the
immigration stuff that I'm very critical. Also, you know the
bombing of these boats in the Caribbean, making believe that
the drug run. Of course I would not be at
all surprised there were drugs on it. Running drugs is
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not a capital offense. In other words, you can't. You
don't execute people you have convicted of drug running. You
don't kill me. You put them in jail. You do
what we have tradition in the clast Guard takes the boats,
they search the boats, they arrest the people, they look
to make investigations go up the line to bomb them.
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There's no law enforcement of law that allows that enginational domestically,
and it's just big policy when we brag about it.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But he took the step of getting them categorized as
terrorists because they're bringing the fentanyl into this country and
killing Americans. So you're saying there's no laws, there is,
there is a precedent or whatever you want to say,
he put on by doing what he did by declaring
that the drug cartels are terrorists, he now has given
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himself license to go and bomb them.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And the key thing you said, he's given him self license,
he's declared. It has not gone through the Congress. There's
no legal substance to that. It's still an illegal thing.
And even if being a terrorist is different from being
a drug runner.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Really you don't think that. You don't think the danger
of all that ventan, all that's coming into this country
is a real danger. I can tell you from the
drug recovery side of it. I know a lot of
people I've lost who innocently got killed by fentanyl because
it's been brought in here. And it's not just the
Mexican cartels. China is behind this because China manufactures most
of it. And you know it's so. I mean, you're
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at a point where I think I see what you're saying.
But at the same time, if you were to pull
up those boats are running drugs. They have a whole
cargo of drugs on and they see the coastguard coming,
they dump it into the water before the coastguard gets there.
So his theory is they'll just go back and get
another load if we don't do something to them. So
by I know, it sounds extreme, but by blowing that
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boat up, you've eliminated the whole situation.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Doesn't sound extreme. It's murder. I mean, you know, but.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
What's your solution. How do we stop how do we
stop the flow?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well, you're not going to stop the flow. Well, well,
one way one way of really cutting down on the
flow is suspending enough huge amounts of money in drug
prevention with our young people and with our side. Every
drug that's taken into an American system is injected by
the American who does it. You know, the demand is great.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
But withal Peter, there are times they don't even know it's. Yes,
yes that is such a deadly drug.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yes, but they know they're taking something they shouldn't I'm
not going to I don't want to blame anybody who
died offenanyl the but the notion that what's the solution.
There are lots of solution that we've tried and we've
not been very successful with, but bowing up people whether
they're running drugs, suspected of running drugs, and what about
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getting big the big shot drug deals like the guy
from Honduras who was the president of Honduras, who was
convicted in the American courts. He were for twenty years.
He ran drugs, he put you know, they say, four
hundred tons of cocaine into American systems. That guy got
a pardon from the President of the United States. There's
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no way to shrug your shoulders on Mike that guy.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah. Okay, But my thing again, like we were talking earlier,
what's the solution here though? I mean, you want to
go after them? Well, they are very very well established,
very well armed, and it's going to be to take
them out.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Okay, Well, they have a war that's legal. And don't
you know you see, you know we have the films
that are the boats are small boats. How many strugs
could you have on them? And I mean you know,
you go way after them at a high level. The
other side of it is you go after it at
the demand level. In other words, we could have better
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education for American people so that there would be lessened
demand for drugs. And that doesn't mean if you have
a street criminal who's running drugs or a cartel member
that they shouldn't be really rammed into jail.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
You're listening to Peter and the poet.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Gold and I'm Peter Leonard, I'm.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Uncle Mike, and Poel Gold is listening. I'm sure and
she'll be with us next week.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
And you know, another thing, before we get to some
of our local agencies, you know, there's the amount of uh,
you know right with talk that's bad. Is something I
want to go back to what you call the lack
of integrity, and you know we had, but I want
to point out that how extreme and that's I'm taking
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to me an optimistic thing from my side. Last February,
I was there was genuine reason and I was genuinely
afraid that America was going to be in much worse
condition there than it is. I was afraid that medicaid
was going to be really cut. I was afraid that
human services are going to be cut, that the courts
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were going to be even more corrupt than they are.
I mean, don't the President Trump has lost a lot
in the last three months from the elections on, and
so I'm saying that I think there's a strong chance
that this is a prediction. I'm not good at them,
(20:48):
but I think this time next year President Trump will
have resigned from the presidency. Wow, because and I think
that because he is losing things, and the more you lose,
the more you're likely to lose. And his disposition is
something that could just get sick of it, and the
more you get sick of it, the more people you
would lose. So I'm hiking the unusual prediction that he's.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Going to putting a lot of money on that.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Buddy.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I don't think he's not going to walk away.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
He's not going to walk away. He's gonna knows.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
They can try. I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I don't and we'll see.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I think the blame is going to continue to get
bigger and bigger. He's going to blame other people.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
But the more support you lose, the more support you lose.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
And you know, you know, it's interesting before we get
to the nonprofits just to kind of kind of sum
this all up with integrity, which is really what we're
talking about, and the lack thereof when you think about
some of the policies that our government has that are
so hypocritical at this point, Why are cigarettes still legal?
Cancer is killing people at a much more alarming rate
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than fentanyl is, and it's not only killing people, it's
ruining people's lives, and yet the government doesn't ban tobacco.
Alcohol is another thing, which you know, we went through
that with prohibition that didn't work. But you know, there's
so many and there's a lot of over the counter
drugs that are extremely Opioids are extremely dangerous, and we
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got a little better at that keeping the doctors from
just writing them like candy, but it's still out there.
And I can tell you every surgery I've had immediately
they oxy was the first thing they prescribed, and I
was I never took it, to be honest with you,
I did try taking it. One of the first ones
is I was in a lot of pain. It did
nothing for me. The ibuy Profen, higher dose ibuy prof
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and worked better, and I was much happier taking that.
Even though that's not good for you either, but it
was better than taking the doxy for no reason.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
My final question, Mike, who is the radical now? I
mean would it mean? Is you have? You have used
it way more radical than mine? I think, so, well,
what are we doing with cigarettes? I mean, I agree
with you, but.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
That's the point I'm making for the government hymocracy. There
is some of the policies they have don't work. They
know they don't work, and yet they just keep pushing
them through. I mean, both sides push them through. They
don't stop. And again you follow the money, that's some
of it. Pharmaceutical industry has is the biggest campaign contribution
for years now, and they get their way. There's very
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little times you see that the pharmaceutical industry gets slapped down.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
But yes, yes, I mean we certainly have a lot
of hypocrisy and all, and we don't need more of
what we need less of it. And people being careful
around speech. I mean, you know the President Trump saying
at the Kirk funeral, I hate my enemies. The enemies
are the Democrats. It's that's the country. What are you
(23:42):
kidding me? I mean, this is not good for us
to hear and i you know, he's against the Mexicans,
he's against he seems not to be against Norwegians. But
the racial stuff is big. But we both agree that
we want to get to what's really great discounsel.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, absolutely, Hudson Valleys. Sure, there's so many great, so
many great nonprofits here that do so much good and
they take up the slack where the government has failed.
H you know, Family Services is one right here in Poughkeepsie.
That's a fantastic organization. They help a lot of people,
you know, I'm sure you've got a few that you
(24:21):
you I.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Mean when you say the nonprofits take up where the
government fail. Still, there's huge amounts of support government support
for in some cases local nonprofits. And when you're threatening that,
when you're threatening grants nonprofits, you're threatening the people. And
(24:47):
a nonprofit or places the government into sections. In my
life the most clearly there are forty four year old
son with developments and disabilities and he there's a New
Horizons group home.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And fantastic organization.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
The best thing that ever happened to me, I'm seventy
five years old. The best thing that happened to me
was Kevin becoming a resident of New Horizons when you're
twenty seven years old and you know, fourteen seventeen years now,
and he it's great not only for him and my family,
but for America. You want to be in a country
(25:20):
to treat people decently and to have a place like
New Horizons is terrific. And that's all medicate, not all,
but largely Medicaid funding. Same thing with you know, Gray's
Zone or abilities first and this is America at its best.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
But even that, Peter, when you when you strip it
down to the bare bones, sometimes because of the support
they get from the grants, they have to do things
a certain way or they lose the grants. And that
shouldn't be. If you want, if you and I we
see a charity we want to help, I don't want
to know. I want to know that the money is
going where we hope it's going. But if they do things,
(26:00):
is that they've proven success with it may not the government,
they shouldn't be able to take the funding away from No.
I mean, it's there's so many of them out there, Peter.
You know, the Mental Health America is one here that
does a lot for a lot of people. And I
can tell you know Andrew'grady's is a dear friend of
both of ours. And I've had some situations over the
(26:20):
years with people in my life that I was severely
concerned about. I did not know what to do. I
called him and every one of them he intervened and
he did get the person help and we haven't lost
any of him yet, and he knew what to do immediately.
I called him up and I got halfway through the
story and he says, I understand, let me make some
phone calls. I'm going to get somebody involved. And within
a day or two, my fear of that person committing
(26:43):
suicide or overdosing dissipated a lot. I mean, it's always
going to be there, but to a point where I
felt like they had a fighting chance.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, and again, the nonprofits could operate better than they did,
just the fact that you and I know a lot
of people in nonprofits and we can get their attention
pretty quickly. And that shouldn't be my son having these
great services that are thrilling. Lots of people are not
(27:12):
getting them because they're not enough money for it. They
get excluded. They don't know that's it. It's tough.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
And another big part of that, which we talk about
all the time is stigma. Stigma is still raw and
there and out front. You know, you break your arm,
you're appendix heartch you go to a doctor and you
get treatment because you know it's bad. It could end
up really hurting you. But if you're suffering from anxiety
or depression and you're worried about I'm worried about what
(27:38):
I don't I'm using this. You're not like that, But
I'm saying if I had a situation where I was
worried about, well, what's Peter gonna think of me? Maybe
I should just grin and bear it for a little while.
That ends in suicide usually. Yeah, rough, So stigma is
another thing that needs.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
To be Sigma is you and you gook at so
many of the other nonprofits we have in Poughkeepsie from
like the All Effect, which is so good. Custerner of
the Housing is a big deal. There'll be in directions.
We're really rich with great people who want to do
great work, and we need more funding for that.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Sadly it's only a half hour show, Peter, because we
could have started at the beginning and name we could
have named the organizations for the whole half hour. That's
we didn't mean to leave anyone out because there's some
really great ones here. And I will tell you my
buddy Adam Roach, who's the director of Veteran Services. He
says all the time, it's okay not to be okay.
You've got to accept that everybody has their demons. It's okay,
but it's not okay not to get help, because it
(28:35):
will kill you. And that's the point I think, I
really want to stress. Whatever you're suffering, whatever you're going through,
there's somebody here in the Hudson Valley that will help you.
It's out there. Sometimes it's hard to find, but it's there,
and you have got to make that determination that I
have a problem, I need help, Where do I go?
What do I do?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
And I want to make the point that your country
will help you. It's not just an agency. Most of
those agencies have federal funding because you, as an American,
deserve to be helped and amen to the United States
government and the agencies and implement the value of equality
and freedom that we have here.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Well, Peter, I told you, I love you. You're like
a brother, your family to me. And even though we disagree,
on a lot of things. It doesn't matter to me.
I know you're a good human being and you've helped
a lot of people yourself, and and I really, I
really think if we could get everybody to have a
relationship like we have, you know, it would be a
much better place.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Because everything you say I feel about you. But Mike,
I want to say, it's a backup companies. I'm not
for them, But I'm not fore bombing to me either.
I don't want to bother why not doing bad things?
I'm kidding. Happy New Year to everybody.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, Peter, Happy New Year, thanks for listening to Peter
and the Poe Gold the Paul will be back with
us next week. And happy new Year everybody.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah man,
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