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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good morning, you'll find you out with Pete and Poel Cold.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm Peter Leonards and I'm the Poet Gold and we're.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
On the air with the Poke Cold myself and Uncle
Mike Hanson is joining us. So it is New Year's
so happy new Year to everybody. Yes, yes, indeed, And
before we get to our discussion of the highlights of
twenty twenty five and the great expectations of twenty twenty six,
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we're going to go right to the poet Gold for
her weekly prayer poem incantation Gold, please let it roll.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Well, it's a new year, and I think I want
to enter the year with a with a theme that
was part of a youth camp theme and they use
the word integrity, and so I'm going to enter the
year with integrity.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So here it is.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Foundations crumble, built upon untruth, the inevitability of its honesty,
a sudden collapse of pillars, the lack of morality lies bare,
and we wonder about its demise. Principles Hold me by me,
do not vacillate. Candor is always best for the fallacy
will bring into question one's integrity.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And let's be careful people are questioning our integrity because
when that happens, we're all in trouble. Yeah. Yeah, there's
a good word integrity, and there's even a better reality.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
And you know, Unfortunately, I think integrity is a matter
of perception these days. Everybody has different views on integrity.
I think, especially in the last couple of years, integrity
has got a much wider definition than.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It's just regarded now. In other words, some adults public
adults are comfortable not having integrity in public. It used
to be that if somebody questioned your integrity, Uh, it
was highly insulting and you really could you would have
your feelings if somebody question your integrity. Now it seems
to me people it just bounces off many people.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
You know, I think the pendulin is going to swing though.
I feel like people are, to use the noughty word.
People are becoming more awake to how they carry themselves
because of there's been, as Mike pointed out, this sort
of broad view of the word itself integrity and how
people have been you know, behaving, and I think, you know,
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they're they're sort of seeing a ugliest thing in our
humanity sometimes you know that that that they're going, Wait
a minute, I don't want to really be like that.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
And so.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I think the Internet and social media has contributed a
lot to the broader definition of integrity now because there
is no integrity in social media whatsoever. I mean, I've noticed,
you know, in the old day with the print media,
if you publish, if you publish something that was inaccurate,
and you had to publish a retraction saying that opes
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I made a mistake. Social media, they just keep more
going forward. They call somebody something and say something that's
not right, and they don't apologize. Usually they I'll see
that and I'll help you one and they'll go on
something else. So I think I think social media and
we last week's show we did talk to a few
weeks ago, we were talking about podcasting. I think that's
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had a lot of impact on this because the podcasters
have no moral bounds either. I don't think a lot
of them. Some of the things that go out over
the air and those podcasts are very questionable and they
get away with it right.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, I think there's this sort of thing where people
want to become personality, you know, versus like you said,
telling some sense of the truth or being able to
be accountable. But when you make a mistake, I mean,
it's okay to make mistakes, but it needs to be
accountable for me. So you know, I miss step there
was that was not correct, and I want to you know, correct.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
But Mike's point about h you know, social social media,
I mean, it really is different because in one sense,
so much of it is anonymous. You don't even have
to own up to it. And when you don't have
to own up to things, it's one thing. But then
again to Mike's other point about you know, if you're
probably something in the newspapers wrong, you would make it
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a correction, they'd print it. The thing is, legally you
can get out of it now. In other words, there
aren't legal boundaries nor other professional boundaries. That's a lot
I mean, And so we're not going to question your
integrity by asking you where you're finding the efforts about
the resurgence of integrity.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I think I just you know, I'm on social media
a lot, obviously and reading some of the comments, and
I do feel that there's this subtle pushback happening because
people are beginning to become ill, I mean literally ill
from from all the negativity that there are folks. Now
we're sort of holding each other accountable to a certain extent,
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like where did you get that information come from? You know,
show me the article that you actually got that from.
I know, oftentimes if I have an opinion on something,
I will go first and research to make sure that,
you know, to be able to back it up with
a news article or something, and hope that that article
that you're backing up with is a valid one too,
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because that becomes, you know, question, I always say, do it.
That's something with two or three things sometimes before you
put it out there.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I mean back in the day, when you publish something,
there had to be footnotes and you had to show
where you got your information from. Now you can say
whatever you want, and I think the goal the Gold's point.
I noticed on the Internet more and more, and I'm
only on I use it solely to promote my charities
and things that I'm appearances. That's all I use it for.
I don't get involved in the political game that goes
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on there. But I noticed more and more there's a
lot more people who are tuned into social media to
your point, that are holding people accountable. They won't let
that you know, they'll see it, instead of just rolling
your eyes and moving on to say, wait a minute,
you can't say that. How do you prove it? And
so all of a sudden, I think it's starting to
catch up with itself a little bit. More and more
people are holding people accountable on social media right right now.
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To Peter's point, you're so anonymous that you can't really
be held accountable because most people don't even use their
real names. And now the other part of it that
we didn't add into this is AI is involved. Now
it's not even a human being doing it. It's AI
that's causing some of this problem and they're getting away
with that too.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And to build on that, a couple of weeks ago,
maybe a month ago, there's this controversy about some of
the more political accounts. I think it was on Twitter
or whatever the other, because I'm not on either one
of those Twitter and the other one that's out there.
We're actually not accounts that were originated in America. They
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will all false, false accounts, but they were they were
accounts that were built to cause division, yes, and had
you know, like millions of followers of just you know,
poking and manipulating at the Achilles heel of Americans.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Well, when you think about it, with AI, nobody can
get sued because it's not a real person. So who
are you going to go after?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Right?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And they try to you know, it's so easy today
to disguise where you're coming from on social media. You
could be somewhere over in Finland and say you're here
in the States and there's no way to trace that,
or it's hard to trace.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Part of the two thousand and fifteen when President Trump
was first running for office, part of the Mower Report,
they indicted twelve people in Russia for just making up stories,
mostly about race, like you know, it's got Americans. It's
off about that, right, And of course we could never
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arrest any of them, but they locally who they were
and where where they did it.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
From, right, right, Won't we won't you know, be destroyed
by some nuclear bomb. We will self destruct, you know,
just just being manipulated through foreign entity.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It's interesting to our social media.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
We do so I do so much with the military services,
and I when you hear them take their own It's
to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and I
think lately most of our enemies have been domestic.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That's another thing, you know. I think our Congress has
been dispiriting. I think what I mean, but the number
of Republican Congressmen who don't criticize President Trump, even when
they have the opinion against them. It's the lack of courage.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
It's it's called fear.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And we will have fear, but our elected leaders should
have less of it, and it seems like they have
more of it. And you know this. We don't want
to drive things too much into the political rum, but
just in terms of integrity. Uh, you know, in the
recent controversial of the murderer in California of the comics
and director, Yes, you know, President Trump made some unfortunate
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comments about that, but I really thought, and I don't
have a high opinion of President Trump, I have a
whole opinion, but I really thought he was going to
come out and apologize for it. Yeah. Okay, okay, both
of you as excuse me of being a naive, but
I mean, like I said, I have a low opinion
of him, but you talk about integrity when you talk
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poor you about a dead person that other people really like,
and I say, okay, you know, he goes, but he's
gonna clean it up and it would have been politically effective,
But morally Hughes seems to be he doesn't have that,
And that's a version of integrity that I was actually
surprised by. But while I say you being surprised, when
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and Mike are not surprised. I want to remind us
that you're finding out with Pete and the poear.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Gold on Peter and on the Poe Gold, I'm uncle Mike.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
And the discussion we're having today is really interesting. So
we've been doing these shows every year pretty pretty constantly now,
the three of us, and what we talked about last year,
there's this whole thing with AI wasn't really exploded like
it has now. We wouldn't We wouldn't have thought we
would be having this. And to take it further, what's
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going to happen next year? Because this is moving at
a at a rocket ship speed. AI is doing more
and more and more and more people who were really
uptight and against it are starting to almost use it
in different ways. And everybody I noticed lately, there's been
a big push in the media to say the benefits
of AI. They're really trying to say AI and some
of the big investments now in AI and the community
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around AI, all the people that have invented it and
all the businesses that have been created has really grown.
There's been a lot of money dumped into this, yes,
you know, and you've got some people from overseas dumping
billion dollars into all these facilities. So I don't I
didn't expect it to mushroom the way it has, but man,
it has taken off, and I think next year is
going to be even more out of control.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
But when I look at you know, surges of technology,
look at the Internet. From my perspective, it happens like that,
you know, when I think about when the Internet came about,
when pages came about, you know, it just there's this
dormant stage where we use the tool and we get
used to using the tool, and then there's nothing like
you know, a decade or two decades, and then something
new comes along and it's like whow yeah, you know,
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and then it'll be dormant once once you levels off
at someone.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Version, I think what Mike well, if I'm reading right,
using this is actually something different. I mean we've never
seen I mean just the fact we didn't really think
of it a year ago. Now it's dominating not only
our thoughts, but this soft market would be in aduldrums
without the AI investment, right right right the seven company
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sometimes called the Magnificent Seven, that are basically holding up
the S and P five hundred and if that goes,
we're all going to feel that.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
But it's interesting to your point, Peter, so AI has
definitely this is the year. In the last six months,
especially that AI has really taking over the conversation. And
the beginning of that conversation was the experts who created
AI were warning people that this is more than we
can handle her saying you don't understand the capabilities of
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AI and it's going to be dangerous. And that lasted
for about six weeks, maybe a month, and that's all
died down. Now you don't hear them anymore. The experts
who were revered who created this or saying, wait a minute,
I don't think you guys know what you're getting yourselves
into here. You need to throttle this back a little bit.
And there was so much money being invested. They quieted
them very quickly, and you don't hear about them anymore
at all, which is a little frightening when.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
You think about it. Yes, yes, the guardrails.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Recently, it was a President Trump had an ad or
an executive order forbidding states from passing local legislation against
a regulate AI. Not against it, but you know, on
a federal level, it's wide open and they're making it
so you can't even regulate it locally. And you know,
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to my expoint about the swiftness of it when they
was when they first started talking about well it's coming,
and it's coming quickly, it's just ricocheted off me. But
now it's here, and I still don't know what the heck.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It is, but I think everyone's trying to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
There's so much on the internet now that is AI
generated where it's almost becoming hard to tell. You know,
it's like the old days. If you remember Saturday Live
back in the day that one of the biggest parts
of that show is they would redo commercials in a
funny way, and you didn't know if it was a
real commercial or if it was Saturday Night Live doing
it during their show. And people got fascinated with that.
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With AI, there's stuff generated by AI today where it
looks real and they're using legendary p people in in
the AI uh cartoons and things are doing where it
looks like they're you know, you think it. He would
never say that that doesn't make any sense, but he's saying.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
It because it's it's a quantumly. I don't know if
you guys remember Max Headroom. I don't know that man,
you remember, yeah, And so Max Headroun was sort of
like this would you say a holographic type type image.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I would say it was early AI, like this is
this is a quantum leap.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
But sort of I think Max Headroum sort of was
giving us the hint of what's being worked on, you know,
behind the scenes, and and so this is just Max
Headroom uh perfected to where they where they really wanted
wanted to go.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
With some additional tools with it. I flew around with
AI in a sense.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
It sometimes I just type stuff in just to see
what it will do, you know, and and and sometimes
it's I go, Okay, this is this is pretty cool.
And then sometimes I'm going this is just too much work.
I have too much stuff to correct, Like I won't
use it for papers and things like that because it's
it's uh, I.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Mean, so many applications that I've seen. There are some
applications where it's been benefit in the research and scientific
and medical research. It's been able to take a lot
of models and without involving living creatures, either animal or
human beings, and have this act out where they can
they can project what the drug is going to do
or analyze the data, and it's saved a lot of
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time and research. But that's one of the few good
things I've seen about it so far, because there's been
a lot of bad stuff that's happened because.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I really identified it as AI. But it's certainly a
precursor and a fun function is the GPS. I mean,
anybody my age. I'm seventy five years old, and I
can't find places as good as I used to feel
to So even in my own neighborhood, I was going
to the Ziggla Avenue, you know, I live in Ferrest Lane.
He's like a half a mile away, and I put
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in the AI and I wouldn't I'd still be circling
the block otherwise. So when you have a great application
like that, bosh, your confidence.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I think AI is probably more accurate too than than
the GPS. That's because those things will get you lost
some time.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
The road is like, yeah, some of them, the maps
were updated and yeah, you're telling you, yeah, I know that.
All of a sudden you look and you're you're ral,
that's here, is moving through and there's no roads out
in the middle of the forest somewhere, and you're like,
wait a minute, what it is taking me?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But the whole technological thing is really here, and how
that's going to affect the finances is a big deal.
You know. If we if America really can lead the
AI revolution, we're in good shape and we're missing out
in a couple of you know, other departments. In terms
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of leading the world.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I mean there's a lot of uh, you know, particularly
around the world, the whole digital ID that they're experimenting
with in other countries. I mean, some people have volunteered
to already put it in their wrist and they just
go to like defending, then go like this and then
place the order. I don't quite know if I want
a chip or a barcode or my wrist and I'm
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going to the machine and you know, and downloading my money.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
It seems like you've lost control, to be.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Honest, right, absolutely at that point.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
And so there are countries and in Europe, I believe
in England or someplace they're really fighting against this whole
digital exchange monetary digital exchange and the digital wallet and
the digital ID.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
It's you know that part of it that can be
pretty scary.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, I mean one of the things we know it
needs some regulations, and politically there's not a will to
regulate it because of a financial right.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Right. I was fascinated when you think about some of
the things that the government regulates or is trying to regulate,
this doesn't seem to be in that category. There seems
to be no guardrails on this whatsoever. And as sooner
or later there is going to be some I think
there's going to be some lawsuits because they keep taking
more and more liberties with people's especially if you're a
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public figure, whether it be political, entertainment, sports, and they're
starting to use your image. Sooner or later, somebody's going
to get sued because you've got, first of all, you
don't have permission to use that image. Some of the
stuff you see on the internet is very believable, and
you know that it's not them, but it looks like them.
I mean the latest thing, and it's happening now.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
There are cases now.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
But there's going to be some serious lawsuits down the road.
I think maybe that'll maybe that'll create some guardrails when
somebody starts getting sued for a lot of money that
usually you know, you follow the money. Usually it usually
is right direct things.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
One of the things we've learned about lawsuits is and
we've always known but we didn't play out, is how
long they take, so that you know if you sue
somebody now and it might be resolved in two years,
two years. It's a whole other book. And going about next.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Year, the state deputy Attorney General had said to me
from another state. He wrote me a very beautiful letter
and he said, you know, justice delayed is justice denied.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
And if you're a rich person you can afford to
h den iseph you get yourself in trouble, you can
just keep making one motion after another absolute And we've
seen that done in a very high level in the
past and it works. The laying justice.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Those there there are those who are masters at that
currently I've seen go ahead.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Before, Mike uh in lightens us. Further, I want to
tell people they find out with Pete in the poet.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Cold, I'm Poe Gold and Uh, Mike and I went.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
And avoid it because you're the one who's supposed to.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
But you still didn't tell who you are.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'm Ralph Nader, consumer advocate. I worked there, worked right,
But you're going to make a point, Mike, Well, it's
you know.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
It just it fascinates me that how upset people were
initially with this and how that just went away. It
still blows my mind. I mean, I remember there are
some people, especially the people who were revered in creating AI,
that were warning people how serious this is and we
better be And it just fascinates me that's all going
away and now it's used so much. One of the
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things that I see in the country music world is
all of a sudden, you'd see an ad on social media,
like a George Strait or an Alan Jackson or somebody
well announcing next year's tour, the last ride, one last time,
and first of all, it's not them, they're not announcing it.
And then all of a sudden, within a day or two.
There's fifteen other stars that are all part of this.
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First of all, nobody could afford all these stars together.
But it shows a picture of six or eight of
the legends one last ride. It's coming to you next year,
you know, And I'm like, that's not real.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Some of those people wouldn't even would not even play together,
but they bought it up there and getting thousands, hundreds
of thousands that hits. People were freaking out like, wow,
what do we get tickets? You know, they really bought
into it, and I'm like, that's not real, that's not
gonna happen. But the ability to hide the truth lack
of a better word, has gotten easier and easier with this,
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and they're getting away with it. And like I said,
sooner or later, I'm pretty sure there's going to be
some major losses because people are going to start not
wanting to tolerate that anymore, especially the personalities involved where
you're affecting their career by some of the things you're
putting out there. They're gonna say, wait a minute, that's
not me.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You can't do that right right, absolutely absolutely, And.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
The part where you know you have the lawsuits or
we've mentioned that there's a time element to it. But
you use the phrase hiding the truth. There's another word
that we've become familiar with is lying. And people just
absolutely lie about it, you know, like and enjoy it
and enjoy it and.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It knows they're lying. And you know, but this goes
back to something that Uncle Mike was talking about.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
You know, this is all about about the money, and
we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
The new year. Yeah, yeah, well it's all part of it.
But what side of integrity do you want to be on?
I think that's that becomes the Well I.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Wanted to be a show on integrity, which we're basically
having because we're going to have the opportunities to be
less honest and lie more, and not to take those
opportunities is a big thing for us individually and as
a country. And I want to interject. You know, President Trump,
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you know people say we all politicians lie. President Trump
really is somebody who lies at a higher rate, in
a more profound level than anybody else. That he won
the twenty twenty elections, Everyone virtually knows that's not true.
And yet all these men, we ties will a billionaires
will have to tell me. I think you want to right,
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it's not good.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
For us, And I think, no, I agree with you, Peter,
and I think that as an American citizen, you know,
we really need to question. I always boil down to like,
what would you teach your child? You know, what behavior
do you want your child to mimic? Now if you
want your child, if you want to excuse the behavior
because of a policy, and then call yourself a Christian
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and you can correct me if I'm wrong, because I
know you're more Biblical.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Than I am.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But there is a verse that says, what shall it
profit a man to gain the world and then lose
his soul? I think a lot have lost their soul
and go to church, right, you know, because you can say, well,
you know, I'm really I'm really great on the policy.
But yeah, you know, I know you just went and
robbed the bank. But I'm really great on you know,
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on the policy. To me, that doesn't make sense. It's
it's somewhat hypocritical, and so so it goes down do
I want to teach my child to be that type
of a human being?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And what I want to say is even use the
word hypocritical is old fashioned. In other words, the traditional
hypocrite would be he was doing rotten things, but saying
he's doing splendid things. Now, there's a part of us society,
very powerful part. It's those terrible things, and he just
says doing terrible things. There's a pride in being nasty,
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and it used to be we would cover stuff. So
you know, old fashioned lying is going out of style too.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And that's why I tell people.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I just had a conversation the other day and I said, listen,
I hear you know you bashing Trump, But you have
to understand that that he is a reflection of the
worst part of our humanity. So he's a little bit
of you, he's a little bit of me. He's a
little bit of the person over there who decided not
to make the right choice. And when you put all
those type of people that moment in the room, you're
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looking in the mirror. So it's so it boils down
to once again, you know, as we go in, as
we are in this new year, you know, what type
of human being do you really wish to be in
the world world? You know, do you want to be
respectful to your neighbor, kind to your neighbor. Even when
we differ, there's a way to differ.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, you know, and I mean President Trump. I always
refer to as President and Trump because I want to
be clear that I'm part of that. You know, he's
my president. And it might not be he might not
be such a cool person, he might not be such
a cool president. But I meaning we, I'm part of
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the syndrome. And so you know, there's a chance. Politically,
we saw in the last year, at least in Dutchess County,
great electoral changes to favor the Democrats in the election
national elections in the twenty five Democrats came back a
little bit. But twenty six, twenty twenty six, with the
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midterm elections, we have a very different Congress. But the
end of the year, when you have an opinion on.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
That, well, if we get there, you know, you know,
I mean, if we can have that, that that vote
and something you know, crazy doesn't happen. But you know,
I mean going back to policies, one can have really
great policies. But it's I posted something and and it
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was about the the ice people, you know, and I
just asked, you know, please look at your soul, you know,
because some money you don't want. And and someone said,
but you don't know their circumstance, And for me, there's
no circumstance.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I can. I can agree with the policy of of
dealing with illegal.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Aliens, you know, or immigrants or whatever you want to
call put people in that category, but it's the how,
and that's and that's what I was pointing out, it's
the how, you know. So, so I may be in
agreement with a particular policy, but I don't necessarily have
to stand with the how and how one goes about
to to execute and and and to sustain cruelty.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And you know so so yeah, and has seen a
taken number of ice people resting people Blatin America.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
So to your point you alluded to about next year,
you know, we were talking about this year. Next year,
I think you're going to continue to see sweeping changes
in a lot of communities because for us here in
the Northeast, you know, New York City has always been
the hub of everything. It's it's and now with the
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new mayor that's taking over with a different philosophy, they
say a lot of people are going to leave New
York City. We'll see if that happens. It may it
may not. But if they leave, they have to go somewhere,
and they're not going to Florida, and they're not going
south coming up here to where we live. They're spreading
out in New York because New York is such a
huge state with a lot of open opportunities and the
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opportunity for a lot of people to move into an area.
And I don't mean this is the way it sounds,
but take over the area is high potential. If you,
if you, if you, if you're interested in politics and
you say New York is just too big, I don't
have the financial ability or whatever term you want to
use to get involved there. I can move up to
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Dutchess County or Green County and I can become important
politically in those kinds. I think that's happening. I think
not only are they leaving New York for for if
it may be economic reasons because it's so expensive, or
it may be uh, you know, control of political reasons,
or or you know that that mindset where you want
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to be a part of something. I think next year
we're going to see an even bigger influx up in
our area here and further North because there's so much opportunity.
There's a lot of in COVID. You know that COVID
has a lot to do with this as well.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yes, we're going to have a lot of self changing,
but we want a lot of stuff to say the same.
We're all saying, Man, I'm not going anywhere that county
Hudson Valley, and you were gonna say something, I don't.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I don't think we have a choice anymore. It used
to be you felt like certain areas in the country
we're never going to change. It seemed like they've been
so long, and now that's out the window. I mean
this last election alone, I was shocked at a couple
of the outcomes, not because I was rooting for either side,
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just there were people who were mainstays that you thought
were never gonna lose an election, lost and lost in
a big way, a couple of them, and and they
kind of were sitting there on the curb looking around
like what just happened? How did that happen?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Like?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
And you know, it's their own fault. They didn't see
it coming. But I think that's going to continue, and
I think the trend for next year across this country
is going to be even greater where we're going to
see more and more changes. Areas that you got used
to being the way they were aren't going to be
that way anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And change, which is you know, as as humans, I'm
going to wrap this up, but the saying is, you know,
change is the one thing in life that's consistent. You know,
as as as a human beings, we seem to want
to fight change where everything changes around us every single day.
Every single day, there's something that changes, and so I
always helpfull lean into change and does so that we
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can develop the tools on how to handle the change
when it happens.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Into change and ha indegory through it. That's right, everybody,
and Uncle Mike, we certainly appreciate your work.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
And happy new to dear everyone. We appreciate you for
tuning in to finding out what Pete and the poet
Gold have a good one.
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good morning, you'll find you out with Pete and Poel Cold.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm Peter Leonards and I'm the Poet Gold and we're.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
On the air with the Poke Cold myself and Uncle
Mike Hanson is joining us. So it is New Year's
so happy new Year to everybody. Yes, yes, indeed, And
before we get to our discussion of the highlights of
twenty twenty five and the great expectations of twenty twenty six,
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we're going to go right to the poet Gold for
her weekly prayer poem incantation Gold, please let it roll.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Well, it's a new year, and I think I want
to enter the year with a with a theme that
was part of a youth camp theme and they use
the word integrity, and so I'm going to enter the
year with integrity.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So here it is.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Foundations crumble, built upon untruth, the inevitability of its honesty,
a sudden collapse of pillars, the lack of morality lies bare,
and we wonder about its demise. Principles Hold me by me,
do not vacillate. Candor is always best for the fallacy
will bring into question one's integrity.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And let's be careful people are questioning our integrity because
when that happens, we're all in trouble. Yeah. Yeah, there's
a good word integrity, and there's even a better reality.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
And you know, Unfortunately, I think integrity is a matter
of perception these days. Everybody has different views on integrity.
I think, especially in the last couple of years, integrity
has got a much wider definition than.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It's just regarded now. In other words, some adults public
adults are comfortable not having integrity in public. It used
to be that if somebody questioned your integrity, Uh, it
was highly insulting and you really could you would have
your feelings if somebody question your integrity. Now it seems
to me people it just bounces off many people.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
You know, I think the pendulin is going to swing though.
I feel like people are, to use the noughty word.
People are becoming more awake to how they carry themselves
because of there's been, as Mike pointed out, this sort
of broad view of the word itself integrity and how
people have been you know, behaving, and I think, you know,
(02:37):
they're they're sort of seeing a ugliest thing in our
humanity sometimes you know that that that they're going, Wait
a minute, I don't want to really be like that.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
And so.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I think the Internet and social media has contributed a
lot to the broader definition of integrity now because there
is no integrity in social media whatsoever. I mean, I've noticed,
you know, in the old day with the print media,
if you publish, if you publish something that was inaccurate,
and you had to publish a retraction saying that opes
(03:09):
I made a mistake. Social media, they just keep more
going forward. They call somebody something and say something that's
not right, and they don't apologize. Usually they I'll see
that and I'll help you one and they'll go on
something else. So I think I think social media and
we last week's show we did talk to a few
weeks ago, we were talking about podcasting. I think that's
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had a lot of impact on this because the podcasters
have no moral bounds either. I don't think a lot
of them. Some of the things that go out over
the air and those podcasts are very questionable and they
get away with it right.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, I think there's this sort of thing where people
want to become personality, you know, versus like you said,
telling some sense of the truth or being able to
be accountable. But when you make a mistake, I mean,
it's okay to make mistakes, but it needs to be
accountable for me. So you know, I miss step there
was that was not correct, and I want to you know, correct.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
But Mike's point about h you know, social social media,
I mean, it really is different because in one sense,
so much of it is anonymous. You don't even have
to own up to it. And when you don't have
to own up to things, it's one thing. But then
again to Mike's other point about you know, if you're
probably something in the newspapers wrong, you would make it
(04:22):
a correction, they'd print it. The thing is, legally you
can get out of it now. In other words, there
aren't legal boundaries nor other professional boundaries. That's a lot
I mean, And so we're not going to question your
integrity by asking you where you're finding the efforts about
the resurgence of integrity.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I think I just you know, I'm on social media
a lot, obviously and reading some of the comments, and
I do feel that there's this subtle pushback happening because
people are beginning to become ill, I mean literally ill
from from all the negativity that there are folks. Now
we're sort of holding each other accountable to a certain extent,
(05:10):
like where did you get that information come from? You know,
show me the article that you actually got that from.
I know, oftentimes if I have an opinion on something,
I will go first and research to make sure that,
you know, to be able to back it up with
a news article or something, and hope that that article
that you're backing up with is a valid one too,
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because that becomes, you know, question, I always say, do it.
That's something with two or three things sometimes before you
put it out there.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I mean back in the day, when you publish something,
there had to be footnotes and you had to show
where you got your information from. Now you can say
whatever you want, and I think the goal the Gold's point.
I noticed on the Internet more and more, and I'm
only on I use it solely to promote my charities
and things that I'm appearances. That's all I use it for.
I don't get involved in the political game that goes
(05:58):
on there. But I noticed more and more there's a
lot more people who are tuned into social media to
your point, that are holding people accountable. They won't let
that you know, they'll see it, instead of just rolling
your eyes and moving on to say, wait a minute,
you can't say that. How do you prove it? And
so all of a sudden, I think it's starting to
catch up with itself a little bit. More and more
people are holding people accountable on social media right right now.
(06:21):
To Peter's point, you're so anonymous that you can't really
be held accountable because most people don't even use their
real names. And now the other part of it that
we didn't add into this is AI is involved. Now
it's not even a human being doing it. It's AI
that's causing some of this problem and they're getting away
with that too.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And to build on that, a couple of weeks ago,
maybe a month ago, there's this controversy about some of
the more political accounts. I think it was on Twitter
or whatever the other, because I'm not on either one
of those Twitter and the other one that's out there.
We're actually not accounts that were originated in America. They
(06:58):
will all false, false accounts, but they were they were
accounts that were built to cause division, yes, and had
you know, like millions of followers of just you know,
poking and manipulating at the Achilles heel of Americans.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Well, when you think about it, with AI, nobody can
get sued because it's not a real person. So who
are you going to go after?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Right?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And they try to you know, it's so easy today
to disguise where you're coming from on social media. You
could be somewhere over in Finland and say you're here
in the States and there's no way to trace that,
or it's hard to trace.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Part of the two thousand and fifteen when President Trump
was first running for office, part of the Mower Report,
they indicted twelve people in Russia for just making up stories,
mostly about race, like you know, it's got Americans. It's
off about that, right, And of course we could never
(07:51):
arrest any of them, but they locally who they were
and where where they did it.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
From, right, right, Won't we won't you know, be destroyed
by some nuclear bomb. We will self destruct, you know,
just just being manipulated through foreign entity.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It's interesting to our social media.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
We do so I do so much with the military services,
and I when you hear them take their own It's
to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and I
think lately most of our enemies have been domestic.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That's another thing, you know. I think our Congress has
been dispiriting. I think what I mean, but the number
of Republican Congressmen who don't criticize President Trump, even when
they have the opinion against them. It's the lack of courage.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
It's it's called fear.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And we will have fear, but our elected leaders should
have less of it, and it seems like they have
more of it. And you know this. We don't want
to drive things too much into the political rum, but
just in terms of integrity. Uh, you know, in the
recent controversial of the murderer in California of the comics
and director, Yes, you know, President Trump made some unfortunate
(09:16):
comments about that, but I really thought, and I don't
have a high opinion of President Trump, I have a
whole opinion, but I really thought he was going to
come out and apologize for it. Yeah. Okay, okay, both
of you as excuse me of being a naive, but
I mean, like I said, I have a low opinion
of him, but you talk about integrity when you talk
(09:36):
poor you about a dead person that other people really like,
and I say, okay, you know, he goes, but he's
gonna clean it up and it would have been politically effective,
But morally Hughes seems to be he doesn't have that,
And that's a version of integrity that I was actually
surprised by. But while I say you being surprised, when
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and Mike are not surprised. I want to remind us
that you're finding out with Pete and the poear.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Gold on Peter and on the Poe Gold, I'm uncle Mike.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
And the discussion we're having today is really interesting. So
we've been doing these shows every year pretty pretty constantly now,
the three of us, and what we talked about last year,
there's this whole thing with AI wasn't really exploded like
it has now. We wouldn't We wouldn't have thought we
would be having this. And to take it further, what's
(10:29):
going to happen next year? Because this is moving at
a at a rocket ship speed. AI is doing more
and more and more and more people who were really
uptight and against it are starting to almost use it
in different ways. And everybody I noticed lately, there's been
a big push in the media to say the benefits
of AI. They're really trying to say AI and some
of the big investments now in AI and the community
(10:53):
around AI, all the people that have invented it and
all the businesses that have been created has really grown.
There's been a lot of money dumped into this, yes,
you know, and you've got some people from overseas dumping
billion dollars into all these facilities. So I don't I
didn't expect it to mushroom the way it has, but man,
it has taken off, and I think next year is
going to be even more out of control.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
But when I look at you know, surges of technology,
look at the Internet. From my perspective, it happens like that,
you know, when I think about when the Internet came about,
when pages came about, you know, it just there's this
dormant stage where we use the tool and we get
used to using the tool, and then there's nothing like
you know, a decade or two decades, and then something
new comes along and it's like whow yeah, you know,
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and then it'll be dormant once once you levels off
at someone.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Version, I think what Mike well, if I'm reading right,
using this is actually something different. I mean we've never
seen I mean just the fact we didn't really think
of it a year ago. Now it's dominating not only
our thoughts, but this soft market would be in aduldrums
without the AI investment, right right right the seven company
(12:00):
sometimes called the Magnificent Seven, that are basically holding up
the S and P five hundred and if that goes,
we're all going to feel that.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
But it's interesting to your point, Peter, so AI has
definitely this is the year. In the last six months,
especially that AI has really taking over the conversation. And
the beginning of that conversation was the experts who created
AI were warning people that this is more than we
can handle her saying you don't understand the capabilities of
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AI and it's going to be dangerous. And that lasted
for about six weeks, maybe a month, and that's all
died down. Now you don't hear them anymore. The experts
who were revered who created this or saying, wait a minute,
I don't think you guys know what you're getting yourselves
into here. You need to throttle this back a little bit.
And there was so much money being invested. They quieted
them very quickly, and you don't hear about them anymore
at all, which is a little frightening when.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
You think about it. Yes, yes, the guardrails.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Recently, it was a President Trump had an ad or
an executive order forbidding states from passing local legislation against
a regulate AI. Not against it, but you know, on
a federal level, it's wide open and they're making it
so you can't even regulate it locally. And you know,
(13:17):
to my expoint about the swiftness of it when they
was when they first started talking about well it's coming,
and it's coming quickly, it's just ricocheted off me. But
now it's here, and I still don't know what the heck.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It is, but I think everyone's trying to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
There's so much on the internet now that is AI
generated where it's almost becoming hard to tell. You know,
it's like the old days. If you remember Saturday Live
back in the day that one of the biggest parts
of that show is they would redo commercials in a
funny way, and you didn't know if it was a
real commercial or if it was Saturday Night Live doing
it during their show. And people got fascinated with that.
(13:54):
With AI, there's stuff generated by AI today where it
looks real and they're using legendary p people in in
the AI uh cartoons and things are doing where it
looks like they're you know, you think it. He would
never say that that doesn't make any sense, but he's saying.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
It because it's it's a quantumly. I don't know if
you guys remember Max Headroom. I don't know that man,
you remember, yeah, And so Max Headroun was sort of
like this would you say a holographic type type image.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I would say it was early AI, like this is
this is a quantum leap.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
But sort of I think Max Headroum sort of was
giving us the hint of what's being worked on, you know,
behind the scenes, and and so this is just Max
Headroom uh perfected to where they where they really wanted
wanted to go.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
With some additional tools with it. I flew around with
AI in a sense.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
It sometimes I just type stuff in just to see
what it will do, you know, and and and sometimes
it's I go, Okay, this is this is pretty cool.
And then sometimes I'm going this is just too much work.
I have too much stuff to correct, Like I won't
use it for papers and things like that because it's
it's uh, I.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Mean, so many applications that I've seen. There are some
applications where it's been benefit in the research and scientific
and medical research. It's been able to take a lot
of models and without involving living creatures, either animal or
human beings, and have this act out where they can
they can project what the drug is going to do
or analyze the data, and it's saved a lot of
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time and research. But that's one of the few good
things I've seen about it so far, because there's been
a lot of bad stuff that's happened because.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I really identified it as AI. But it's certainly a
precursor and a fun function is the GPS. I mean,
anybody my age. I'm seventy five years old, and I
can't find places as good as I used to feel
to So even in my own neighborhood, I was going
to the Ziggla Avenue, you know, I live in Ferrest Lane.
He's like a half a mile away, and I put
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in the AI and I wouldn't I'd still be circling
the block otherwise. So when you have a great application
like that, bosh, your confidence.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I think AI is probably more accurate too than than
the GPS. That's because those things will get you lost
some time.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
The road is like, yeah, some of them, the maps
were updated and yeah, you're telling you, yeah, I know that.
All of a sudden you look and you're you're ral,
that's here, is moving through and there's no roads out
in the middle of the forest somewhere, and you're like,
wait a minute, what it is taking me?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But the whole technological thing is really here, and how
that's going to affect the finances is a big deal.
You know. If we if America really can lead the
AI revolution, we're in good shape and we're missing out
in a couple of you know, other departments. In terms
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of leading the world.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I mean there's a lot of uh, you know, particularly
around the world, the whole digital ID that they're experimenting
with in other countries. I mean, some people have volunteered
to already put it in their wrist and they just
go to like defending, then go like this and then
place the order. I don't quite know if I want
a chip or a barcode or my wrist and I'm
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going to the machine and you know, and downloading my money.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
It seems like you've lost control, to be.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Honest, right, absolutely at that point.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
And so there are countries and in Europe, I believe
in England or someplace they're really fighting against this whole
digital exchange monetary digital exchange and the digital wallet and
the digital ID.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
It's you know that part of it that can be
pretty scary.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, I mean one of the things we know it
needs some regulations, and politically there's not a will to
regulate it because of a financial right.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Right. I was fascinated when you think about some of
the things that the government regulates or is trying to regulate,
this doesn't seem to be in that category. There seems
to be no guardrails on this whatsoever. And as sooner
or later there is going to be some I think
there's going to be some lawsuits because they keep taking
more and more liberties with people's especially if you're a
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public figure, whether it be political, entertainment, sports, and they're
starting to use your image. Sooner or later, somebody's going
to get sued because you've got, first of all, you
don't have permission to use that image. Some of the
stuff you see on the internet is very believable, and
you know that it's not them, but it looks like them.
I mean the latest thing, and it's happening now.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
There are cases now.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
But there's going to be some serious lawsuits down the road.
I think maybe that'll maybe that'll create some guardrails when
somebody starts getting sued for a lot of money that
usually you know, you follow the money. Usually it usually
is right direct things.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
One of the things we've learned about lawsuits is and
we've always known but we didn't play out, is how
long they take, so that you know if you sue
somebody now and it might be resolved in two years,
two years. It's a whole other book. And going about next.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Year, the state deputy Attorney General had said to me
from another state. He wrote me a very beautiful letter
and he said, you know, justice delayed is justice denied.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
And if you're a rich person you can afford to
h den iseph you get yourself in trouble, you can
just keep making one motion after another absolute And we've
seen that done in a very high level in the
past and it works. The laying justice.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Those there there are those who are masters at that
currently I've seen go ahead.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Before, Mike uh in lightens us. Further, I want to
tell people they find out with Pete in the poet.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Cold, I'm Poe Gold and Uh, Mike and I went.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
And avoid it because you're the one who's supposed to.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
But you still didn't tell who you are.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'm Ralph Nader, consumer advocate. I worked there, worked right,
But you're going to make a point, Mike, Well, it's
you know.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
It just it fascinates me that how upset people were
initially with this and how that just went away. It
still blows my mind. I mean, I remember there are
some people, especially the people who were revered in creating AI,
that were warning people how serious this is and we
better be And it just fascinates me that's all going
away and now it's used so much. One of the
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things that I see in the country music world is
all of a sudden, you'd see an ad on social media,
like a George Strait or an Alan Jackson or somebody
well announcing next year's tour, the last ride, one last time,
and first of all, it's not them, they're not announcing it.
And then all of a sudden, within a day or two.
There's fifteen other stars that are all part of this.
(20:41):
First of all, nobody could afford all these stars together.
But it shows a picture of six or eight of
the legends one last ride. It's coming to you next year,
you know, And I'm like, that's not real.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Some of those people wouldn't even would not even play together,
but they bought it up there and getting thousands, hundreds
of thousands that hits. People were freaking out like, wow,
what do we get tickets? You know, they really bought
into it, and I'm like, that's not real, that's not
gonna happen. But the ability to hide the truth lack
of a better word, has gotten easier and easier with this,
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and they're getting away with it. And like I said,
sooner or later, I'm pretty sure there's going to be
some major losses because people are going to start not
wanting to tolerate that anymore, especially the personalities involved where
you're affecting their career by some of the things you're
putting out there. They're gonna say, wait a minute, that's
not me.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You can't do that right right, absolutely absolutely, And.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
The part where you know you have the lawsuits or
we've mentioned that there's a time element to it. But
you use the phrase hiding the truth. There's another word
that we've become familiar with is lying. And people just
absolutely lie about it, you know, like and enjoy it
and enjoy it and.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It knows they're lying. And you know, but this goes
back to something that Uncle Mike was talking about.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
You know, this is all about about the money, and
we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
The new year. Yeah, yeah, well it's all part of it.
But what side of integrity do you want to be on?
I think that's that becomes the Well I.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Wanted to be a show on integrity, which we're basically
having because we're going to have the opportunities to be
less honest and lie more, and not to take those
opportunities is a big thing for us individually and as
a country. And I want to interject. You know, President Trump,
(22:37):
you know people say we all politicians lie. President Trump
really is somebody who lies at a higher rate, in
a more profound level than anybody else. That he won
the twenty twenty elections, Everyone virtually knows that's not true.
And yet all these men, we ties will a billionaires
will have to tell me. I think you want to right,
(22:58):
it's not good.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
For us, And I think, no, I agree with you, Peter,
and I think that as an American citizen, you know,
we really need to question. I always boil down to like,
what would you teach your child? You know, what behavior
do you want your child to mimic? Now if you
want your child, if you want to excuse the behavior
because of a policy, and then call yourself a Christian
(23:22):
and you can correct me if I'm wrong, because I
know you're more Biblical.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Than I am.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But there is a verse that says, what shall it
profit a man to gain the world and then lose
his soul? I think a lot have lost their soul
and go to church, right, you know, because you can say, well,
you know, I'm really I'm really great on the policy.
But yeah, you know, I know you just went and
robbed the bank. But I'm really great on you know,
(23:45):
on the policy. To me, that doesn't make sense. It's
it's somewhat hypocritical, and so so it goes down do
I want to teach my child to be that type
of a human being?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And what I want to say is even use the
word hypocritical is old fashioned. In other words, the traditional
hypocrite would be he was doing rotten things, but saying
he's doing splendid things. Now, there's a part of us society,
very powerful part. It's those terrible things, and he just
says doing terrible things. There's a pride in being nasty,
(24:18):
and it used to be we would cover stuff. So
you know, old fashioned lying is going out of style too.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And that's why I tell people.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I just had a conversation the other day and I said, listen,
I hear you know you bashing Trump, But you have
to understand that that he is a reflection of the
worst part of our humanity. So he's a little bit
of you, he's a little bit of me. He's a
little bit of the person over there who decided not
to make the right choice. And when you put all
those type of people that moment in the room, you're
(24:50):
looking in the mirror. So it's so it boils down
to once again, you know, as we go in, as
we are in this new year, you know, what type
of human being do you really wish to be in
the world world? You know, do you want to be
respectful to your neighbor, kind to your neighbor. Even when
we differ, there's a way to differ.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, you know, and I mean President Trump. I always
refer to as President and Trump because I want to
be clear that I'm part of that. You know, he's
my president. And it might not be he might not
be such a cool person, he might not be such
a cool president. But I meaning we, I'm part of
(25:31):
the syndrome. And so you know, there's a chance. Politically,
we saw in the last year, at least in Dutchess County,
great electoral changes to favor the Democrats in the election
national elections in the twenty five Democrats came back a
little bit. But twenty six, twenty twenty six, with the
(25:53):
midterm elections, we have a very different Congress. But the
end of the year, when you have an opinion on.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
That, well, if we get there, you know, you know,
I mean, if we can have that, that that vote
and something you know, crazy doesn't happen. But you know,
I mean going back to policies, one can have really
great policies. But it's I posted something and and it
(26:20):
was about the the ice people, you know, and I
just asked, you know, please look at your soul, you know,
because some money you don't want. And and someone said,
but you don't know their circumstance, And for me, there's
no circumstance.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I can. I can agree with the policy of of
dealing with illegal.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Aliens, you know, or immigrants or whatever you want to
call put people in that category, but it's the how,
and that's and that's what I was pointing out, it's
the how, you know. So, so I may be in
agreement with a particular policy, but I don't necessarily have
to stand with the how and how one goes about
to to execute and and and to sustain cruelty.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And you know so so yeah, and has seen a
taken number of ice people resting people Blatin America.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
So to your point you alluded to about next year,
you know, we were talking about this year. Next year,
I think you're going to continue to see sweeping changes
in a lot of communities because for us here in
the Northeast, you know, New York City has always been
the hub of everything. It's it's and now with the
(27:35):
new mayor that's taking over with a different philosophy, they
say a lot of people are going to leave New
York City. We'll see if that happens. It may it
may not. But if they leave, they have to go somewhere,
and they're not going to Florida, and they're not going
south coming up here to where we live. They're spreading
out in New York because New York is such a
huge state with a lot of open opportunities and the
(27:56):
opportunity for a lot of people to move into an area.
And I don't mean this is the way it sounds,
but take over the area is high potential. If you,
if you, if you, if you're interested in politics and
you say New York is just too big, I don't
have the financial ability or whatever term you want to
use to get involved there. I can move up to
(28:17):
Dutchess County or Green County and I can become important
politically in those kinds. I think that's happening. I think
not only are they leaving New York for for if
it may be economic reasons because it's so expensive, or
it may be uh, you know, control of political reasons,
or or you know that that mindset where you want
(28:38):
to be a part of something. I think next year
we're going to see an even bigger influx up in
our area here and further North because there's so much opportunity.
There's a lot of in COVID. You know that COVID
has a lot to do with this as well.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yes, we're going to have a lot of self changing,
but we want a lot of stuff to say the same.
We're all saying, Man, I'm not going anywhere that county
Hudson Valley, and you were gonna say something, I don't.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I don't think we have a choice anymore. It used
to be you felt like certain areas in the country
we're never going to change. It seemed like they've been
so long, and now that's out the window. I mean
this last election alone, I was shocked at a couple
of the outcomes, not because I was rooting for either side,
(29:29):
just there were people who were mainstays that you thought
were never gonna lose an election, lost and lost in
a big way, a couple of them, and and they
kind of were sitting there on the curb looking around
like what just happened? How did that happen?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Like?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
And you know, it's their own fault. They didn't see
it coming. But I think that's going to continue, and
I think the trend for next year across this country
is going to be even greater where we're going to
see more and more changes. Areas that you got used
to being the way they were aren't going to be
that way anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And change, which is you know, as as humans, I'm
going to wrap this up, but the saying is, you know,
change is the one thing in life that's consistent. You know,
as as as a human beings, we seem to want
to fight change where everything changes around us every single day.
Every single day, there's something that changes, and so I
always helpfull lean into change and does so that we
(30:21):
can develop the tools on how to handle the change
when it happens.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Into change and ha indegory through it. That's right, everybody,
and Uncle Mike, we certainly appreciate your work.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
And happy new to dear everyone. We appreciate you for
tuning in to finding out what Pete and the poet
Gold have a good one.
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