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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good morning, you'll find out Pete and the Poe Gold.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm Peter Leon and I'm the poet Gold, and we're
on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
With each other today wishing everybody a happy new year
and looking forward to we have great expectations. And before
we get to those great expectations and maybe some doomsday talk,
let's go right to Poe Cold for her weekly poem
prayer incantation, Go please let it roll.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Well, Peter, I'm actually going to do a poem by
a different poet. I'm going to a poem by Richard
Kipling called If, one of my favorite poems from childhood.
If you can keep your head when all about you
are losing theirs and blaming it on you. If you
can trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make
allowance for their doubting too. If you can wait and
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not be tired by waiting or being lied about. Don't
deal in eyes or being hated, don't give way to hating,
and yet, don't look too good nor talk too wise,
if you can dream and not make dreams your master.
If you can think and not make thoughts your aim.
If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat
those two impostors just the same. If you can bear
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to hear the truth you've spoken, twist it by knaves
to make a trap for fools, or watch the things
you gave your life to broken and stoop and build
them up with worn out tools. If you can make
one heap of all your winnings and risk it on
one turn of pitch, and toss and lose, and start
again at your beginnings, and never breathe a word about
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your loss. If you can force your heart and nerve
and in sind you to serve your turn long after
they are gone, and so hold on when there is
nothing in you except the will which says to them,
hold on. If you can talk with crowds and keep
your virtue, or walk with kings, nor lose the common touch.
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Neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you. If all
men count with you, but none too much. If you
can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds worth of distance.
Run Yours is the earth and everything that's in it,
and which is more, you'll be a man, my son.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Okay, I like Kim playing there. He's in nineteenth century
British poet.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yes, yes, yes he is.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
And let me say, I write a poem I like
yourself better you every week that you write you perform
that has more of a road to my emotions than that.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Well this, you know, this poem really spoke to me
when I was a kid, and for a number of
reasons that I think when we're thinking about the new year,
for me, it talked about how do you hold yourself?
You know, it's easy for us to be a certain
way when things are going right, but what about when
things are going wrong? You know, how do you hold yourself?
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What are the standards for you? Are you going to
be resilient? Are you going to be hateful? Are you
you know, what are you practicing in your life? And
so for some you know, that's what the new year
is about. How do I how does one hold themselves
in the road ahead? And and and the fact that
he's speaking you know to obviously from a gender perspective
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to men, or to the male, to the male body,
really didn't mean anything to me as as a little girl.
You know, I just I just took it that it
was more of a universal and understood that in fourth
grade that that was just the language in which one
uses in the world, because you know, men were dominant.
But but his words, I think apply to were more
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universal for me.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, as a child, Yeah, they are universal in a way.
But I guess what I don't like about it is
the person who has described there. You know, it's sort
of advice on how to be a person. And I
think if I met that person, I wouldn't like him
too much.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Oh really, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Mean because no matter what happens, don't let it bother you.
Be in control. Uh uh, be even keeled, and even
heal people also, in my opinion, not emotionally available.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
But yeah, I agree with that. But but see, I
didn't get that. I got that you're still going to
go through what you're going to go through, you know,
but in the end, in the end, where do you
want to be. Do you want to be in the wreckage,
you know, part of the wreckage, or do you want
to be, you know, part of the healing. I choose
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the healing. Let me come out of the wreckage, acknowledge
that the wreckage took place you know. But then let's
let's work to what's coming out on the other side
of it. Okay, and that's what you want to be, Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't have to hate Rudgie's kippling in order to
like you, all right, so let me be But but
it sounds very British and it sounds very h male
wear and control of the world kind of right, yeah,
and you know it's imperious impulse. But in Poughkeepsie, Dutchess County, America,
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we have a big year coming up. I mean, went
out far from the President Trump being inaugurated on January twentieth,
and you're just looking back a little bit young locally
because such a great year last year with you what
you really called the year the woman, I mean the
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notion of public called knows women lead Duchess with that
big celebration last monster in women's history.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Looking forward to doing it again.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yes, when we put it, and we had twenty prominent
women from Dutchess County in here, and you know what,
we noted that there was a big turnover both politically
and symbolically. Von Flowers to replace the males and mayor
Poughkeepsie for Cucerena or the replace a male as the
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county executive and for Rebecca Edwards to replaying male as
a Town of Poughkeepsie supervisor, that really indicated shed light
on how much women leadership we have in Dutchess County.
You know, it's certainly in nonprofits. I mean we mentioned
even you know, Leah Fellman is certainly coming into her
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own family services, which is to use her word thriving,
and she doesn't use it about herself or her own organization,
but she talks about the right to thrive, which is
a universal right she thinks. And you know, so there's
a lot going on and the notion that women are
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still in power in Dutchess County in a way, this
would be the last part of the editorial, in a
way that I think makes a better community because women
are I think more connected to preach a human life
than men are, and therefore they have more compassion, more
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a sense of community, and they have a greater sense
of community. Makes a better community.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
And indeed, indeed, but you know there are men out
there who do have a good sense of community in
Poughkeepsie on a number of boards. I think sometimes when
it when it comes to men, because in American culture, uh,
they're not groomed to celebrate culture, so to speak. They're
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not groomed to celebrate empathy, you know, and so so
it may appear sometimes that that they're being non empathetic
because they're not quite sure how to express that.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So I don't want to appeel Antoni male, because I mean,
I know there are many good men in American Industrial Council,
and I fully intend to be one some day.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yes, I think you do pretty good, Peter. If you
tuning and you're listening and finding out with Pete and
the Poet Goals, I'm Peter and on the Poet Gold
and we're having a New year conversation. Last week we
talked about the holiday season and we're looking at what's
ahead of us here in the Dutchess County and too
Keepsie the surrounding area.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And you know, I'm uh, you know, taking the hint
from last year, you know, is you point out we're
looking forward to doing another women Leading Duchess event, but
so many of them were nonprofits marks important anniversaries last year,
and just the fact they're continuing through as a big deal.
Touch just Outreach celebrated this fiftieth anniversary and Judges Outreach
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has been doing great work among people who are hungry,
poor or cold. You know, they have jackets, they were
five hundred meals a day. They have great advocacy for
people who are suffering poverty. New Horizons Resources celebrated this
fifty year and they're continuing and the fifty first year
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is every bit is that it is the first and
in the fiftieth year and the Horizons deals with people
with developmental disabilities and they do a uh a spectacular
job and not only uh providing services for people with disabilities,
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but emphasizing the dignity the dignity of people with disabilities,
which is so easy to dismiss.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It was it was so wonderful to be at their uh,
their their celebration and and just watching the engagement of
people with special needs and just get on the dance floor, dance,
you know, just the whole whole scope of human emotion, Yeah,
was present in such in such a positive way, and
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you could see the type of work that they do
through the interactions of their service individuals with their clients,
and it was just it was just really wonderful to experience.
I had a great time, and uh that's continuing.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I guess what I want to say is, you know,
so many of how uh you know, you know, from
family services to new horizons to Duchess outreach, the center
of the health. There's just so many people doing great
work will continue, you know, the notion of what we
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have to look forward to A partly there's a tremendous
amount of uncertainty, which means it's exciting to be an
America these days because you know, we have a new administration.
Uh it's coming on a national level, which of course
will mean there will be immediate social implications uh locally
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also and I'm a little fearful of that. You know.
When I see a little fearful, I guess I'm trying
to minimize. I'm trying to be like Kipling. Hey man,
if it looks bad, don't worry, you know. And I'm
very worried about the social policy going forward. And in
one area that I guess worries men, uh and really
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worries for he is you know, there's there's a the
Republicans ran a notion of having mass deportation right right,
and you know, a great deal of the Hudson Valley,
especially in Poughkeepsie. We have probably thirty percent of the
city of Poughkeepsie is Hawk community, Howkan community community from Mexico,
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and very few of them. Uh, they're virtually all grade
uh people for the society, but very few of them
have all their papers in order. Yeah, and I mean
I think so locally. Uh, if we saw it virtually
any restaurant, you go to, any landscaping place, no matter
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where you look for good service, you're going to have
hard working Mexicans behind.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And see how this is going to play Okay, we
won't see how it's gonna play out, you know, and
when when some of the voters who voted for the
administrator that's coming in and if they're business owners and
they lose some of their workers and can't figure out why,
and they're scratching their head and go, well, I didn't
think they were supposed to do this, go this way.
This guy is a good worker, you know, why is
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he disappearing? You know, we'll see, We're going to see
how it plays out.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well. Yes, and I guess your patient you're you're keppling
like patients is different from one because I mean we've
been promised it's going to be mass deportation. Then when
they press someone that they said, we're going to get
rid of criminals, everybody isn't fair of getting rid of criminals.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Because we know that's not going to historically in America,
that's not how it works, you know. And we talk
about the Japanese and tournament. I mean, we don't, we don't. Unfortunately,
UH learned a whole lot from our past so that
we don't repeat things, you know, And so they're going
to be mistakes made. I think a lot of mistakes made,
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I mean, and they so that I think in the
language that they're creating wiggle room for that and saying that, well,
you know, if the kids were born here and then
the parents weren't and they didn't come in the proper way.
But they've been here for twenty years, and they've been
working for twenty years, contribute to the taxes for twenty years.
But I guess the kids is going to have to
go with them, you know, the whole family is going
to have to go.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
It's not mass deportation unless it's mass poitation, right, right,
If you're going to get rid of some criminals, fine,
and wirole.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
For that absolutely well absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And people you know are enthusiastics for that, like Youse
signs it's the Republican convention, you know, mass deportation as
if that's a good thing, and you know, and ignores
the humanity of everybody.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And and I think that there are people who just
don't know. And I'm going to use the word ignorant,
and ignorant is not a bad word. It just simply
means you don't know, you know, and neither may be.
And then there's willful ignorance when you willfully don't practice
the ability to learn about about something. And so I
think a lot of people don't really understand what mass
deportation is. They don't practice the art of learning, you know,
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and educating to educating themselves to find out, you know,
for many reasons of what it is and how it
actually is going to impact their community locally, you know,
what really is the impact on that and how that
will economically affect the food that's going on their table,
and whether or not is the farm workers and whether
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or not, as I said to someone who was visiting
my household, and whether or not if you're going to
decide to give up your job and go pick the apples,
because whose job are they quote unquote taking. That's a
whole nother ridiculous conversation at taking my job. When was
the last time that you decided you wanted to go
pick an apple? You know, you know, let's be honest
about that. You know, when's right, what job are they
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really taking from you? You know, in a real conversation,
and so so yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I mean, uh, it's not the only issue, but the
Poughkeepsie and uscrus County in Hudson Valley has been so
benefited over the list twenty five thirty absolutely with immigration
from Mexico that it will be really devastating for us
to have those people even just have them scared.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And of course they are scared, right, And that's the
cruelty of it. Yeah, you know, that's that's the cruelty
of it, because I've I've witnessed firsthand what what that
fear is. You know, I've witnessed uh what do you
call ice at at a Greyhound station and asking people
for papers. I had never seen that in my life,
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you know, in America. I've just never exposed to that.
I saw that, I saw that and and and you watch,
you know, the fear in people's you know, eyes, and
and watch the body language of of you know, trying
to make sure that and if you're not speaking English,
still trying to make sure that that the paperwork is
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in order when being approached. And you know, and to
IS's credit, you know, it's a whole nother side of that.
But they weren't. You know, the gentleman wasn't being cruel,
he wasn't being indifferent. He was doing his job, you know,
in the most humane way that that one could do
in a situation like that. And fortunately for the for
the person that was approached, you know, all her paperwork
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with her children were in order, so she was permitted
to to get on the bus. But you know, I
just couldn't imagine in my head, living in my lifetime
that that that experience, you know, even though my ancestors
lived that experience, you know, and we're not that far
away from that, you know, not being able to sit
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in front of the bus, you know, or not being
to go certain places. I mean, we're you know, we're
not one hundred years away from that, you know, So
you know, I just I just really like you do
to the fear issue. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, and for some voters to really think it's a
good thing to have mass deportation, some deportation might be necessary,
deputting anybody is unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Right, right, right. And what people also don't understand, because
we have such xenophobic perspectives on things, is that you know,
some people are thinking, oh, it's the Mexicans, It's just
the Mexicans. No, it's all groups of people in America
that may have, you know, come through without the proper paperwork.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Nobody's as afraid of the Irish and Northern Bronx. Believe me,
if you're.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Just tuning in, you're listening to finding out with Pete
the Poet Goals. I'm Peter and I'm the Poet Goal.
Then we're here having a conversation about the new year.
You know what's coming ahead in twenty twenty five, and
we want to.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Be clear that you know, our nonprofits and the American
society is continuing going forward. There are political changes that
we're anticipating. I mean President Trump also has economic ideas
that you know, everyone's hopeful that the economy stays good and.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Keyp Worth, the economy stays good, yeah, right right, the
economy stays good. I mean it's good now, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Know, and the economy is very good.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
He's not in yet. The economy is good, so the
administration is going to benefit a good economy coming into office.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
True, yeah, But I mean the thing is.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Not one that was creative in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Or trade as being very bad. I know, but it's
low unemployment. The inflation is lower than any is low now,
and certainly the high inflation came down quicker than any
other country in the world. The other thing we have
going for us is a kind of optimism, but low
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one employment and low inflation. And the thing is, we
talk about inflation as a problem, and it is. Inflation
is a bad thing, but one of the things we
don't mention about inflation as a national phenomenon. The prices
go up and they well, but also your salary goes up.
So I mean, like inflation has bad in the last
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about eighteen months, the average worker salary has gone up
quicker than the rate of inflation. And now, you know,
three years ago when inflation was nine percent and you're
getting a two percent raise, that's a complete loss. But
you know, it's as things have played out. There's been
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a loss for workers of about three or four percent
over the last one And you.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Have a you have a finance background. So I'm going
to ask you this just from a I don't know,
from a common sense level. I mean, I think about
myself as a child. I think about you know, when
inflation hit, you know, and and how it impacted my family.
But it's a cycle, you know, if I'm correct, you
know it's a cycle.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It's the trouble with the words cycle is it sounds
as if it's a predictable cycle. Inflation breaks out sometimes
and we don't know why, and we don't really know
how to cure it. So it's always a crisis, but
it does emerge. Now, over the last twenty years, we've
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had very very low inflation until you know, three years ago,
four years ago and like a year into the Body administration,
all hell brocos And it was probably due.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
To COVID, to the COVID.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We've spent a lot of money that we didn't have
in order to get through COVID. Right, That's probably the
reason why it took a year to kick in after
COVID started subsiding. Is we don't know so economics is
a mysterious thing. We don't ever really know. We have theories,
we have our opinions.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And that's my point. I think that when I say,
you know, it's a cycle in a sense that it's
something that is going to happen, and you don't know
when it's going to happen. But if you kind of
walk around with the mindset that it will happen, then
you sort of emotionally, I think a psychology, you knows,
from a psychological point, prepare for that that day the
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best that you can. So that means you spend a
little less. You know, that means you don't go by
the big house in the fifteen rooms that you can't
live in, you know what I mean. You know, it's
just I just don't get it.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Sometimes I don't have the problem with fifteen, but.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
You know what scale it down. But you know my point,
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And you don't have to blame somebody as if somebody, right,
you know, like as if Biden wanted to have inflation.
Nobody wants to have inflation. That happens, right, That's.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
That's that's my point. I just don't get the whining
about it. Sometimes you know, just you just pull back
for a little bit. It's gonna it's going to pass.
And if this food on your table, be grateful.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And if you want to know about inflation, rich people
have had their well inflated tremendously. I mean, just it's
not market I measured by the S and P five
hundred was about thirty one percent twenty twenty four. You
know that's basically that's not like the go go stocks.
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Oh you're just average stock, right, five hundred stocks and
that's up thirty one percent. Inflation was about two and
a half percent this year. Your bank account, if you
have a savings account, you're not about one percent, if
you will.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Right right. When we were younger, it was more than that.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
You know, it was standard five percent, right right right,
there was like a half a parent of one percent.
But the banks and you know, the Wall Street, the
people running the economy basically borrowed money like one percent.
Could the government was printing money, and you could borrow
from the government of three percent four percent, and they're
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making up to thirty percent or over thirty percent.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It's that's not right, right, No, it's not it's not
it's not fair. I mean, you and you can sometimes
brother and I we're talking to each other and scour
the internet to try to find you know, accounts, bank
accounts that are giving a higher interest rate than the
you know, local big banks that are just making money
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off your money and you're not making anything.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You know, every every bank is represents off right and
absolutely do it. And I'm preaking any laws. But any
banker who wants to own up to it, given a
half percent or one percent, you don't. You don't get
one and a half percent of saving his account. What
are you doing with that money? And then you complained
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about so you know somebody like you know, the richest
men in Elon Musk. From the time of the election
he was he was worth about two hundred billion dollars
day of the election. Since the election, he's there worth
over four hundred and thirty billion.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's crazy, okay, As my niece would say, no one
needs to be that rich.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, and I think it should be illegal.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
No, it need she says, why she goes, I don't understand, untie.
Why so?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
But as we're wrapping the economic stuff is certainly concern
to everybody. There's international problems, you know, we also have
civil rights problems, you know what's and all these issues
are going to be addressed in twenty twenty five. It's
going to be the most exciting political year because we're
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in for change. I'm afraid most of the change is bad, okay,
And I'm not going to give any road you're tippling.
He just go with the flow would be a cool.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
You know, just be ready to you know, stand up
for what you believe in, and you know, let's and
let's do the work that we need to do. You know,
let's not talk about it. Let's be about it, Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You know, you know, I wish that was the last
sentence we had on the show.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I don't talk about it, be about about it.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
If you're a talk show host, I'm talking about it.
It's a little more profitable.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
To being about it, right, And that is we come
to the end of our conversation.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, yeah, man, we didn't get to so many things.
You want to say, Happy New Year, everybody. Situation on
a great country that is going forward, and let's make
sure we come out to the other end.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And we're still here, guys, We're still here. So thank
you once again for listening to find out with Pete
and the Poe Go just wish you the very very
best for your for your new year. No matter what
it is that you're trying to achieve in a positive way,
let's let's keep it positive, uplifting and build community together,
particularly here in Dutchess County.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Amen
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good morning, you'll find out Pete and the Poe Gold.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm Peter Leon and I'm the poet Gold, and we're
on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
With each other today wishing everybody a happy new year
and looking forward to we have great expectations. And before
we get to those great expectations and maybe some doomsday talk,
let's go right to Poe Cold for her weekly poem
prayer incantation, Go please let it roll.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Well, Peter, I'm actually going to do a poem by
a different poet. I'm going to a poem by Richard
Kipling called If, one of my favorite poems from childhood.
If you can keep your head when all about you
are losing theirs and blaming it on you. If you
can trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make
allowance for their doubting too. If you can wait and
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not be tired by waiting or being lied about. Don't
deal in eyes or being hated, don't give way to hating,
and yet, don't look too good nor talk too wise,
if you can dream and not make dreams your master.
If you can think and not make thoughts your aim.
If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat
those two impostors just the same. If you can bear
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to hear the truth you've spoken, twist it by knaves
to make a trap for fools, or watch the things
you gave your life to broken and stoop and build
them up with worn out tools. If you can make
one heap of all your winnings and risk it on
one turn of pitch, and toss and lose, and start
again at your beginnings, and never breathe a word about
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your loss. If you can force your heart and nerve
and in sind you to serve your turn long after
they are gone, and so hold on when there is
nothing in you except the will which says to them,
hold on. If you can talk with crowds and keep
your virtue, or walk with kings, nor lose the common touch.
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Neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you. If all
men count with you, but none too much. If you
can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds worth of distance.
Run Yours is the earth and everything that's in it,
and which is more, you'll be a man, my son.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Okay, I like Kim playing there. He's in nineteenth century
British poet.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yes, yes, yes he is.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
And let me say, I write a poem I like
yourself better you every week that you write you perform
that has more of a road to my emotions than that.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Well this, you know, this poem really spoke to me
when I was a kid, and for a number of
reasons that I think when we're thinking about the new year,
for me, it talked about how do you hold yourself?
You know, it's easy for us to be a certain
way when things are going right, but what about when
things are going wrong? You know, how do you hold yourself?
(03:02):
What are the standards for you? Are you going to
be resilient? Are you going to be hateful? Are you
you know, what are you practicing in your life? And
so for some you know, that's what the new year
is about. How do I how does one hold themselves
in the road ahead? And and and the fact that
he's speaking you know to obviously from a gender perspective
(03:22):
to men, or to the male, to the male body,
really didn't mean anything to me as as a little girl.
You know, I just I just took it that it
was more of a universal and understood that in fourth
grade that that was just the language in which one
uses in the world, because you know, men were dominant.
But but his words, I think apply to were more
(03:43):
universal for me.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, as a child, Yeah, they are universal in a way.
But I guess what I don't like about it is
the person who has described there. You know, it's sort
of advice on how to be a person. And I
think if I met that person, I wouldn't like him
too much.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Oh really, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Mean because no matter what happens, don't let it bother you.
Be in control. Uh uh, be even keeled, and even
heal people also, in my opinion, not emotionally available.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
But yeah, I agree with that. But but see, I
didn't get that. I got that you're still going to
go through what you're going to go through, you know,
but in the end, in the end, where do you
want to be. Do you want to be in the wreckage,
you know, part of the wreckage, or do you want
to be, you know, part of the healing. I choose
(04:37):
the healing. Let me come out of the wreckage, acknowledge
that the wreckage took place you know. But then let's
let's work to what's coming out on the other side
of it. Okay, and that's what you want to be, Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't have to hate Rudgie's kippling in order to
like you, all right, so let me be But but
it sounds very British and it sounds very h male
wear and control of the world kind of right, yeah,
and you know it's imperious impulse. But in Poughkeepsie, Dutchess County, America,
(05:11):
we have a big year coming up. I mean, went
out far from the President Trump being inaugurated on January twentieth,
and you're just looking back a little bit young locally
because such a great year last year with you what
you really called the year the woman, I mean the
(05:32):
notion of public called knows women lead Duchess with that
big celebration last monster in women's history.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Looking forward to doing it again.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yes, when we put it, and we had twenty prominent
women from Dutchess County in here, and you know what,
we noted that there was a big turnover both politically
and symbolically. Von Flowers to replace the males and mayor
Poughkeepsie for Cucerena or the replace a male as the
(06:01):
county executive and for Rebecca Edwards to replaying male as
a Town of Poughkeepsie supervisor, that really indicated shed light
on how much women leadership we have in Dutchess County.
You know, it's certainly in nonprofits. I mean we mentioned
even you know, Leah Fellman is certainly coming into her
(06:24):
own family services, which is to use her word thriving,
and she doesn't use it about herself or her own organization,
but she talks about the right to thrive, which is
a universal right she thinks. And you know, so there's
a lot going on and the notion that women are
(06:44):
still in power in Dutchess County in a way, this
would be the last part of the editorial, in a
way that I think makes a better community because women
are I think more connected to preach a human life
than men are, and therefore they have more compassion, more
(07:05):
a sense of community, and they have a greater sense
of community. Makes a better community.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
And indeed, indeed, but you know there are men out
there who do have a good sense of community in
Poughkeepsie on a number of boards. I think sometimes when
it when it comes to men, because in American culture, uh,
they're not groomed to celebrate culture, so to speak. They're
(07:34):
not groomed to celebrate empathy, you know, and so so
it may appear sometimes that that they're being non empathetic
because they're not quite sure how to express that.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So I don't want to appeel Antoni male, because I mean,
I know there are many good men in American Industrial Council,
and I fully intend to be one some day.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yes, I think you do pretty good, Peter. If you
tuning and you're listening and finding out with Pete and
the Poet Goals, I'm Peter and on the Poet Gold
and we're having a New year conversation. Last week we
talked about the holiday season and we're looking at what's
ahead of us here in the Dutchess County and too
Keepsie the surrounding area.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And you know, I'm uh, you know, taking the hint
from last year, you know, is you point out we're
looking forward to doing another women Leading Duchess event, but
so many of them were nonprofits marks important anniversaries last year,
and just the fact they're continuing through as a big deal.
Touch just Outreach celebrated this fiftieth anniversary and Judges Outreach
(08:37):
has been doing great work among people who are hungry,
poor or cold. You know, they have jackets, they were
five hundred meals a day. They have great advocacy for
people who are suffering poverty. New Horizons Resources celebrated this
fifty year and they're continuing and the fifty first year
(08:58):
is every bit is that it is the first and
in the fiftieth year and the Horizons deals with people
with developmental disabilities and they do a uh a spectacular
job and not only uh providing services for people with disabilities,
(09:19):
but emphasizing the dignity the dignity of people with disabilities,
which is so easy to dismiss.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It was it was so wonderful to be at their uh,
their their celebration and and just watching the engagement of
people with special needs and just get on the dance floor, dance,
you know, just the whole whole scope of human emotion, Yeah,
was present in such in such a positive way, and
(09:46):
you could see the type of work that they do
through the interactions of their service individuals with their clients,
and it was just it was just really wonderful to experience.
I had a great time, and uh that's continuing.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I guess what I want to say is, you know,
so many of how uh you know, you know, from
family services to new horizons to Duchess outreach, the center
of the health. There's just so many people doing great
work will continue, you know, the notion of what we
(10:23):
have to look forward to A partly there's a tremendous
amount of uncertainty, which means it's exciting to be an
America these days because you know, we have a new administration.
Uh it's coming on a national level, which of course
will mean there will be immediate social implications uh locally
(10:45):
also and I'm a little fearful of that. You know.
When I see a little fearful, I guess I'm trying
to minimize. I'm trying to be like Kipling. Hey man,
if it looks bad, don't worry, you know. And I'm
very worried about the social policy going forward. And in
one area that I guess worries men, uh and really
(11:09):
worries for he is you know, there's there's a the
Republicans ran a notion of having mass deportation right right,
and you know, a great deal of the Hudson Valley,
especially in Poughkeepsie. We have probably thirty percent of the
city of Poughkeepsie is Hawk community, Howkan community community from Mexico,
(11:31):
and very few of them. Uh, they're virtually all grade
uh people for the society, but very few of them
have all their papers in order. Yeah, and I mean
I think so locally. Uh, if we saw it virtually
any restaurant, you go to, any landscaping place, no matter
(11:53):
where you look for good service, you're going to have
hard working Mexicans behind.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And see how this is going to play Okay, we
won't see how it's gonna play out, you know, and
when when some of the voters who voted for the
administrator that's coming in and if they're business owners and
they lose some of their workers and can't figure out why,
and they're scratching their head and go, well, I didn't
think they were supposed to do this, go this way.
This guy is a good worker, you know, why is
(12:19):
he disappearing? You know, we'll see, We're going to see
how it plays out.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well. Yes, and I guess your patient you're you're keppling
like patients is different from one because I mean we've
been promised it's going to be mass deportation. Then when
they press someone that they said, we're going to get
rid of criminals, everybody isn't fair of getting rid of criminals.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Because we know that's not going to historically in America,
that's not how it works, you know. And we talk
about the Japanese and tournament. I mean, we don't, we don't. Unfortunately,
UH learned a whole lot from our past so that
we don't repeat things, you know, And so they're going
to be mistakes made. I think a lot of mistakes made,
(13:01):
I mean, and they so that I think in the
language that they're creating wiggle room for that and saying that, well,
you know, if the kids were born here and then
the parents weren't and they didn't come in the proper way.
But they've been here for twenty years, and they've been
working for twenty years, contribute to the taxes for twenty years.
But I guess the kids is going to have to
go with them, you know, the whole family is going
to have to go.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
It's not mass deportation unless it's mass poitation, right, right,
If you're going to get rid of some criminals, fine,
and wirole.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
For that absolutely well absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And people you know are enthusiastics for that, like Youse
signs it's the Republican convention, you know, mass deportation as
if that's a good thing, and you know, and ignores
the humanity of everybody.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And and I think that there are people who just
don't know. And I'm going to use the word ignorant,
and ignorant is not a bad word. It just simply
means you don't know, you know, and neither may be.
And then there's willful ignorance when you willfully don't practice
the ability to learn about about something. And so I
think a lot of people don't really understand what mass
deportation is. They don't practice the art of learning, you know,
(14:10):
and educating to educating themselves to find out, you know,
for many reasons of what it is and how it
actually is going to impact their community locally, you know,
what really is the impact on that and how that
will economically affect the food that's going on their table,
and whether or not is the farm workers and whether
(14:30):
or not, as I said to someone who was visiting
my household, and whether or not if you're going to
decide to give up your job and go pick the apples,
because whose job are they quote unquote taking. That's a
whole nother ridiculous conversation at taking my job. When was
the last time that you decided you wanted to go
pick an apple? You know, you know, let's be honest
about that. You know, when's right, what job are they
(14:52):
really taking from you? You know, in a real conversation,
and so so yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I mean, uh, it's not the only issue, but the
Poughkeepsie and uscrus County in Hudson Valley has been so
benefited over the list twenty five thirty absolutely with immigration
from Mexico that it will be really devastating for us
to have those people even just have them scared.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And of course they are scared, right, And that's the
cruelty of it. Yeah, you know, that's that's the cruelty
of it, because I've I've witnessed firsthand what what that
fear is. You know, I've witnessed uh what do you
call ice at at a Greyhound station and asking people
for papers. I had never seen that in my life,
(15:41):
you know, in America. I've just never exposed to that.
I saw that, I saw that and and and you watch,
you know, the fear in people's you know, eyes, and
and watch the body language of of you know, trying
to make sure that and if you're not speaking English,
still trying to make sure that that the paperwork is
(16:02):
in order when being approached. And you know, and to
IS's credit, you know, it's a whole nother side of that.
But they weren't. You know, the gentleman wasn't being cruel,
he wasn't being indifferent. He was doing his job, you know,
in the most humane way that that one could do
in a situation like that. And fortunately for the for
the person that was approached, you know, all her paperwork
(16:23):
with her children were in order, so she was permitted
to to get on the bus. But you know, I
just couldn't imagine in my head, living in my lifetime
that that that experience, you know, even though my ancestors
lived that experience, you know, and we're not that far
away from that, you know, not being able to sit
(16:45):
in front of the bus, you know, or not being
to go certain places. I mean, we're you know, we're
not one hundred years away from that, you know, So
you know, I just I just really like you do
to the fear issue. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, and for some voters to really think it's a
good thing to have mass deportation, some deportation might be necessary,
deputting anybody is unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Right, right, right. And what people also don't understand, because
we have such xenophobic perspectives on things, is that you know,
some people are thinking, oh, it's the Mexicans, It's just
the Mexicans. No, it's all groups of people in America
that may have, you know, come through without the proper paperwork.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Nobody's as afraid of the Irish and Northern Bronx. Believe me,
if you're.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Just tuning in, you're listening to finding out with Pete
the Poet Goals. I'm Peter and I'm the Poet Goal.
Then we're here having a conversation about the new year.
You know what's coming ahead in twenty twenty five, and
we want to.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Be clear that you know, our nonprofits and the American
society is continuing going forward. There are political changes that
we're anticipating. I mean President Trump also has economic ideas
that you know, everyone's hopeful that the economy stays good and.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Keyp Worth, the economy stays good, yeah, right right, the
economy stays good. I mean it's good now, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Know, and the economy is very good.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
He's not in yet. The economy is good, so the
administration is going to benefit a good economy coming into office.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
True, yeah, But I mean the thing is.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Not one that was creative in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Or trade as being very bad. I know, but it's
low unemployment. The inflation is lower than any is low now,
and certainly the high inflation came down quicker than any
other country in the world. The other thing we have
going for us is a kind of optimism, but low
(18:49):
one employment and low inflation. And the thing is, we
talk about inflation as a problem, and it is. Inflation
is a bad thing, but one of the things we
don't mention about inflation as a national phenomenon. The prices
go up and they well, but also your salary goes up.
So I mean, like inflation has bad in the last
(19:11):
about eighteen months, the average worker salary has gone up
quicker than the rate of inflation. And now, you know,
three years ago when inflation was nine percent and you're
getting a two percent raise, that's a complete loss. But
you know, it's as things have played out. There's been
(19:35):
a loss for workers of about three or four percent
over the last one And you.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Have a you have a finance background. So I'm going
to ask you this just from a I don't know,
from a common sense level. I mean, I think about
myself as a child. I think about you know, when
inflation hit, you know, and and how it impacted my family.
But it's a cycle, you know, if I'm correct, you
know it's a cycle.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It's the trouble with the words cycle is it sounds
as if it's a predictable cycle. Inflation breaks out sometimes
and we don't know why, and we don't really know
how to cure it. So it's always a crisis, but
it does emerge. Now, over the last twenty years, we've
(20:18):
had very very low inflation until you know, three years ago,
four years ago and like a year into the Body administration,
all hell brocos And it was probably due.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
To COVID, to the COVID.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We've spent a lot of money that we didn't have
in order to get through COVID. Right, That's probably the
reason why it took a year to kick in after
COVID started subsiding. Is we don't know so economics is
a mysterious thing. We don't ever really know. We have theories,
we have our opinions.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And that's my point. I think that when I say,
you know, it's a cycle in a sense that it's
something that is going to happen, and you don't know
when it's going to happen. But if you kind of
walk around with the mindset that it will happen, then
you sort of emotionally, I think a psychology, you knows,
from a psychological point, prepare for that that day the
(21:13):
best that you can. So that means you spend a
little less. You know, that means you don't go by
the big house in the fifteen rooms that you can't
live in, you know what I mean. You know, it's
just I just don't get it.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Sometimes I don't have the problem with fifteen, but.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
You know what scale it down. But you know my point,
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And you don't have to blame somebody as if somebody, right,
you know, like as if Biden wanted to have inflation.
Nobody wants to have inflation. That happens, right, That's.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
That's that's my point. I just don't get the whining
about it. Sometimes you know, just you just pull back
for a little bit. It's gonna it's going to pass.
And if this food on your table, be grateful.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And if you want to know about inflation, rich people
have had their well inflated tremendously. I mean, just it's
not market I measured by the S and P five
hundred was about thirty one percent twenty twenty four. You
know that's basically that's not like the go go stocks.
(22:14):
Oh you're just average stock, right, five hundred stocks and
that's up thirty one percent. Inflation was about two and
a half percent this year. Your bank account, if you
have a savings account, you're not about one percent, if
you will.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Right right. When we were younger, it was more than that.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
You know, it was standard five percent, right right right,
there was like a half a parent of one percent.
But the banks and you know, the Wall Street, the
people running the economy basically borrowed money like one percent.
Could the government was printing money, and you could borrow
from the government of three percent four percent, and they're
(22:51):
making up to thirty percent or over thirty percent.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It's that's not right, right, No, it's not it's not
it's not fair. I mean, you and you can sometimes
brother and I we're talking to each other and scour
the internet to try to find you know, accounts, bank
accounts that are giving a higher interest rate than the
you know, local big banks that are just making money
(23:15):
off your money and you're not making anything.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You know, every every bank is represents off right and
absolutely do it. And I'm preaking any laws. But any
banker who wants to own up to it, given a
half percent or one percent, you don't. You don't get
one and a half percent of saving his account. What
are you doing with that money? And then you complained
(23:38):
about so you know somebody like you know, the richest
men in Elon Musk. From the time of the election
he was he was worth about two hundred billion dollars
day of the election. Since the election, he's there worth
over four hundred and thirty billion.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's crazy, okay, As my niece would say, no one
needs to be that rich.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, and I think it should be illegal.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
No, it need she says, why she goes, I don't understand, untie.
Why so?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
But as we're wrapping the economic stuff is certainly concern
to everybody. There's international problems, you know, we also have
civil rights problems, you know what's and all these issues
are going to be addressed in twenty twenty five. It's
going to be the most exciting political year because we're
(24:26):
in for change. I'm afraid most of the change is bad, okay,
And I'm not going to give any road you're tippling.
He just go with the flow would be a cool.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
You know, just be ready to you know, stand up
for what you believe in, and you know, let's and
let's do the work that we need to do. You know,
let's not talk about it. Let's be about it, Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You know, you know, I wish that was the last
sentence we had on the show.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I don't talk about it, be about about it.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
If you're a talk show host, I'm talking about it.
It's a little more profitable.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
To being about it, right, And that is we come
to the end of our conversation.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, yeah, man, we didn't get to so many things.
You want to say, Happy New Year, everybody. Situation on
a great country that is going forward, and let's make
sure we come out to the other end.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And we're still here, guys, We're still here. So thank
you once again for listening to find out with Pete
and the Poe Go just wish you the very very
best for your for your new year. No matter what
it is that you're trying to achieve in a positive way,
let's let's keep it positive, uplifting and build community together,
particularly here in Dutchess County.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Amen
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