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Speaker 4 (01:12):
Good morning of finding Out with Pete and the Poe Cold.
I'm Peter Leonard and I'm the Poet Gold and we're
on the air this morning with Brian Doyle, and Brian's
going to be talking about the implications of the recent
national election and especially it's local implication. But before we
get to Brian, we're going to go right to the
Poet Cold for her weekly pray a poem incantation Gold
(01:33):
please let it roll.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Yes, I'm going to I woke up with Claudette Covan
on my mind today and she was arrested at fifteen
in Montgomery, Alabama for not giving up her seat to
a white man. And so I just felt before Rosa Parks,
about nine months before Rosa Parks did it. So I
just wanted to, for whatever reason, talk about her today.
Read the poem about her Coldette Covan. She thought it
(01:55):
was a birthright. Freedom with feet that were feeling so tired.
Baby in a bun thought she was the one to
take a stand against the white man, to take a
stand for what was right. Then damn she was the first.
And her name is Coodette coven. Our history is permanent,
like stained glass that will never change, etch with memories
of injustice and victories, healed, wounds and scars left from
(02:16):
a time pass but still present in the shackles, closed
still doors which have become institutionalized concentration camps, filled with
the emaciated minds of young Black American youth who are
still seeking their emancipation, not realizing that it comes with
through their education, the knowing of someone like you, the
knowing of someone like you, the knowing of someone like you.
(02:36):
Colodette Covan, who stood and stood, Who stood and stood,
then sat so we could get up and walk, heads up,
No longer shuffle yes, sir, no, ma'am, open doors, walk
through closed doors. Whites only Blacks here Brouder versus Gail,
nineteen fifty six, Supreme Court, Thank God we have overcome,
Still grow. American knows when things ain't right right. American
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knows when things ain't right right. Homicide legal assassinations. I'm
gonna do diallu Michael Stewart, Michael Griffith, Trayvon Martin, George Floyd,
whose blood flow into the drains like rain after a storm,
washing away tragedies that once occurred here, which now become
faint memories, except for the loved ones, where lost becomes
deep pain, creating a crack in the heart, like a
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crevice in the Arctic ice, the resting place of a
cold chill. But we shall not forget you, because our
history is permanent, like stained glass that will never change,
etched with me, memories of injustice and victories, healed, wound
scars from a time left past but still present. And
you are still present, called at Colvan, who stood and stood,
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who stood and stood, then sat, so we may elevate,
walk and forward on.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Well, thank you for that one. That that was a fastball.
And I don't know if I don't know if I've
heard that one before.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
I think I think you may have, but some time ago.
You know, it's a while early early.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Poem, but it's that's that's one of the good ones.
As you know. I like, yeah, your political and racial poetry.
I have a preference for that and and not that
I'm against your spiritual and nature poem. I don't mind
them either.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
We actually brought her up to well. Family wanted to
honor her for the one of the Rosa.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Parks friends with her right she lived in the Bronx,
I believe she did. Yeah, well, these are good introductions,
an American introduction, racial introductions to what we had happened
in the national election. And Brian Doyle, the former CEO
(04:49):
of Family Services, a former elected official in the city
of Poughkeepsie. He was head a common council there. So
what we have a wise voice, so perspective to look
on our current events. Brian, what was your reaction to
their recent elections? Just kind of on a general scale,
(05:14):
How do you feel emotionally as well as intellectually.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Oh, great disappointment, great disappointment and to an extent revulsion.
I was very, very disturbed by the election results, and
of course, like many, you know, trying to replay and
just you know, think about the reasons for it and
(05:40):
all of that. And you know, when you read the poeman,
you know, let's forget about her, Okay, I mean, stop
putting that in my face. And I think that was
I'm speaking for I think those people who elected Donald Trump,
(06:01):
many of them. Okay, yeah, the race issue, the way
in which you know, very important ideas like critical race theory, diversity, equity,
and inclusion were purposely distorted by so many people. He
being distorted in chief, and you know, and I think
(06:24):
that those distortions appeal to people who were frightened of
those in the first place. And instead of people being
able to absorb something that you know, could make all
of us better, there was an impulse to reject that
and to hate it, and to just want to not
(06:46):
only dismiss it, but just let it dissolve into nothingness.
So I think that was certainly an element, and I
think Donald Trump's impulses to just make those distortions and
appeal to such baser instincts in so many of us, UH,
(07:10):
contributed greatly to it. Of course, there's the meacolpas about
how Democrats misread the electorate. I think that's true, but
I think in essence, my takeaway from the whole thing
was that we sold out our moral compass for the
(07:33):
purpose of more base uh desires. I was going to
say needs, but desires, whether they be economic or cultural.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
So when you when you use a word like revile
or we finally found it repulsive? Was that the word
you use, you use a stronger word than we usually
use in and discourse, right, and you to have that
(08:06):
the depth of that feeling is, you know, certainly understandable
as an individual and as a citizen. But what does
it mean for us as a community, a local community
like you know, Poughkeepsie, Dutchess County. Well, do you think
the implications of a Republican victory?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I think it evokes fear among many of us, and
many of us, you know, for different reasons and on
different levels. My fear is more perhaps on the you know,
the cerebral thoughts of what this country is and will
(08:51):
it will it survive? But then there are others who
are I think, very realistically threatened in many ways loss
of family, loss of employment, loss of safety net. So
(09:11):
I think those, you know, those fears run the gamut.
And for me, I think I'm in that space where
I probably don't have to fear for family or economic wellbeing,
but I fear for others who certainly do. During his
(09:33):
first term, when I was at Family Services, there was
a woman who was working for us up in Ulster County,
and her husband was here on you know, not a citizen,
not a some sort of status that allowed him to
be here, and it allowed him to work and for years,
(09:56):
and he would have to report now and then down
to New York or maybe every six months or every year.
That became a matter of routine that he would report
and then come back and take care of his family
and go back to his job. And and then this
one time when he went down to report, he didn't
(10:16):
come back. He was just sequestered and sent sent back
to his country of origin, which had you know, obviously
traumatic traumatic results for his family, his wife, and and
(10:38):
that's that will be happening again. We know that. And
that's been promised. Uh, Stephen Miller has been in been
put in charge of it, and he I find I
find nothing in terms of character or charity about him.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
And promise is the word. The other words looking for
the Brian. So there was a repulse, but we have
to go to Gold.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Yes, tell us, if you're just tuning in, you're listening
to finding Out with Pete and the poet Gold, and
I'm the poet Gold, and we're here with Brian Doyle,
a good friend of ours, a former CEO of Family Services, Inc.
And form election official of the City of Poughkeepsie. You know,
when you were talking about being frightened for others and
have a concern for others, I mean, now they've included
the children.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
There are text messages being sent out and the FBI
is investigating this across the country to young black and
brown youth saying that you know, on Monday or on
this date, you're to report to the plantation and you're
assigned to this lot. And they're really, you know, very
clear messages that that wasn't happening prior to Donald Trump,
(11:54):
you know. And so when people say that there's sometimes
no accountability on his part, you know, I beg to differ,
you know, because there was definitely a messaging, a manipulation,
you know, two people, and particularly two white people, who
have certain types of fear of replacement, the replacement theory,
(12:16):
really feeling that they're being replaced by so many different
ethnic groups that are here in the country. I don't
know if you heard about the text at all.
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Speaker 3 (14:27):
I had heard vaguely, but I'm watching so many things
that are going on and again with great fear. And
you know, I mentioned, you know, race is a big
part of it. I think it goes beyond that. And
I do think that it is due time for the
Democrats or those of us who you know, want to
(14:50):
reverse this whenever we can, you know, to look upon
some of the errors of the current administration and the
bid Yeah, the Bide administration, and where it fell short
in reality and also in perception both, you know. So
that's got to be looked at, There's no doubt about it,
and there has to be time taken for that. But
(15:12):
at the same time, I think a lot of energy
has to be spent on, you know, just keeping an
eye on everything that is going on and seeing who
is yielding to this and who is standing up to it.
And I believe people will be standing up to it,
and I just pray it will be enough.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Right, let me save you a little effort. The people
who are going to stand up to it are Democrats
and with a handful list, Gane being the most prominent one.
But the Republicans have made a clear along that they're
going to accommodate Donald Trump, even at his worst. But
(15:57):
let me bring it back a little bit between what
you're talking about in Gold, you know, when you talk
about you know, the personal side of things and children.
My forty three year old son, Kevin, who I've mentioned
several times on the AA here, he's developments of disabilities.
He lives in New Horizons group home successfully and happily
(16:17):
and delightfully for the last sixteen years. And I'm scared
for Kevin. And I know you've had a very, very
wide experience in developments of the disability field with New
York State. Can you give me a sense are my
fears founded or should I think, Oh, it's going to
(16:41):
be swell. What's your perspective on how it's going to
affect funding for people with developmental disabilities? Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I don't think it's going to be swell. I think that,
you know, everything that's been done in terms of developing
ourselves as a civilized country and society, everything is fair game.
And you can look at the appointments already that had
(17:07):
been made and it's clear that you know, I spoke
to people before the election who I know, we're going
to vote for Donald Trump, and they say, you know,
he's a jerk or he's rough around the edges, and
he says these things, he's not going to do it. Well,
look over the past few days. Look who he nominated
(17:29):
to be the Attorney General of the United States or
nominated to be his personal provocateur. Going after his enemies,
I mean, he is going after them. I mean he
said he would do it. Not everybody believed it.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
And I think some people who you knew were going
to vote for Trump thought that he was.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Absolutely, absolutely, but at least he would shake things up,
you know, sufficiently for there their satisfaction. But I think
there's going to be a growing buyer's remorse. And I
just don't know how long it will take.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Obviously we have the twenty twenty six elections where hopefully
the Congress will be taken back. But there's still a
lot of time to do for him to do a
lot of damage.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Absolutely, Hitler did damage in four years that he was there, right,
you know, you know four years.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I just finished a book about Rose, about Lindbergh and
the America first, and what was harrowing about that book.
I knew about Lindbergh, but his wife, who was quite
the poet, also had the sense that, you know, democracy
had its time, but perhaps now the next phase is totalitarianism,
(18:53):
and she was writing it off as just well, that's
probably just the way it's going to be, and it's
okay and of course chilling. You know, very nice woman.
I don't know if you've read any of her in Yeah,
he has done some beautiful yes, some beautiful prose and poetry,
(19:14):
and yet here she was espousing that democracy has had
its time. And you know, Hitler is just he's going
to be.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
He's just that guy. Let me interest you before you
go to gold again. But just to say how the
one delight that I have as a Democrat is that
every single Democrat in America believe the results of the election.
And what I want to say is Democrats actually believe improve.
(19:47):
They believe in elections and therefore democracy. And I want
to say, if you're going to believe the poll, sixty
percent of Republicans still thinks that Donald Trump won the
two thousand and twenty elections, and with no evidence, they're wrong,
they're proven wrong, they don't even have the legs to
stand on, and yet they want to pretend that. And
(20:08):
every Democrat in America believes that when the election results
come in, those are the election results, and with that,
very very pretty I thought we're going to go to
Gold to tell.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Us once again you're tuning in finding out what Pete
and the poet going. I have a thought with that,
and I'm poet Gold and I'm Peter that okay, and
we're here with Brian Dole, former CEO of Family Services, Inc.
And just having a one for conversation about the aftermath
of the election and perspective on that. But to your point, Peter,
(20:40):
in that every Democrat believes that, you know, or we're
able to step away gracefully and say.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
You know, you won.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Had Donald Trump not have won, we would have been
back in the same thing, you know, would have been
back the whining and the crying of you know, his
his constituents and parties saying that it was an unfair election.
So it's a little ironic that he wins and how
gracefully we're able to go you know you want and
that's it.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
And that's so that's such small consolation, Peter. I'm sorry,
and I think something we shouldn't spend a lot of
time on. There's there's enough else that we need to
attend to.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Okay, let me say democracy is not small and I
don't mind doing it. And whining and crying is one thing,
lying is another. But the part where you believe in
democracy and you hope that the next election democracy is
actually the dominant theme, whereas the next election might be
(21:34):
more of an appointment.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
And that is if we have a next election.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I mean, yeah, an appointment is not election. But Brian,
you seem to want to go back to that point
with more vehemence than you left it.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Well, you know, and speaking to if there's another election.
Of course, Donald yesterday to congressional leaders, uh spoke about
the election and spoke about, well, be here at the
next selection unless you guys figure something out that we
can maybe not have to leave. So you know, he's
(22:10):
putting some feelers out there and first humorously, but that
that will grow.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Uh. You know.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
The the interesting thing is, you know they people want
to bring intelligence back into government and efficiency back into government.
And uh so he appointed we's like Ramaswami and Elon
Musk to head that. So that's the height of efficiency,
appointing to people to head that up.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Right, there is a calling on here. But what I
want to say, Brian, is wider than my own interests
in uh, you know, people with developments and disabilities getting
a fair shake in America, which my son has gotten completely. Uh.
(23:00):
My senses that nobody receiving human services in Dutchess County
is better of today than it were two weeks ago.
What's your perspective as a professional on that.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Well, I think there are many threats and that's for sure,
and that's and I'm not saying it will make up
for all of those threats, but that's one reason for
which we need smart, intelligent people leading in human services.
And I don't know if you had an opportunity to
(23:32):
see what Leah Feldman put out to the staff of
Family Services, but I think it was very important, and
that is, we stand for justice, we stand for equity.
We will stand with you, we will stand with the
people to whom we provide services. We've had to deal
(23:53):
with these threats before, and we'll deal with these now.
And I think that is you know, it could be
viewed as an idealistic point of view, but I think
that's important for leaders such as Leah to do what
she did, which was to say that this this you know,
we're not done yet.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
There are many ways in which we have been able
to survive and thrive and we will continue to do so.
And that inspiration is needed now and I think appreciated
by the people who are hearing it absolutely.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
And you know, on a similar to opera, I heard
her as well saying that the local leadership in Dutchess
County is a leadership we can look at you with
some optimism. You know, the Suserina who is a Republican,
She's somebody that Leada trusts. And you know there there's
(24:52):
a lot of good will and a lot of decency
in Dutchess County. Will that make any difference? Do you think? Well?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I think relationships are always important, and I think Leah
is smart enough to, you know, to be following the
idea that you have to deal with everybody you know,
and you have to you have to deal with funders
of all stripes, and you have to find out how
(25:20):
you can best secure what your agency needs and the
people that you serve need. And sometimes you're successful, sometimes
you're not, but you get up and go at it
again when you're not.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
I mean, you know, next week they're going to be
celebrating the EPA grant, the Environmental Protection granted, Family Service
has got to clean up the asbestos in that area.
And also they're expanding mental health services to children to
(25:56):
county and family services. You have actually on those issues.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Well, I think the idea of expanding mental health services,
particularly for young people, is critical, and I think that's
going to happen. Uh, clearly. I think the EPA announcement,
I trust that will happen. And yet I think, you know,
everything is everything is laid out there as being at risk,
(26:24):
and federal fundings such as that could conceivably be threatened
by that, So you don't want to spend that money
before it's in the bank.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Wow. And what about on things like domestic violence? Is
does federal funding make a different with federal legislation make
a difference on the local level for domestic violence? With
sexual assault issues.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Well, occasionally the Violence Against Women Act needs to be renewed,
and it has been in the past. However, I don't
think that that I don't know when comes when it
comes up again. I don't think that secure though at
this point, because you know, aside from all the other
elements you know that contributed to this election result, I
(27:11):
think you know, the misogyny was certainly there, and you know,
some of it conscious, some of it not conscious, and
you know there may be that sense among men. Yes,
that's that's what I meant. I'm sorry, And you know,
you know people may think, well, we've gone too far.
(27:32):
You know, men should be able to keep their guns
even if they're involved in domestic violence issues. You know,
sometimes you know, the men are being victimized. And that's
you know, that's a thought that's gone through this county.
We can think of a number of men who have
thought that the whole movement toward erasing domestic violence has
(27:55):
has actually penalized men. And I don't think that that
that's that's specific to Dutchess County either.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
No, that's a widespread thing.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
And you know, just before we go very quickly, it
amazes me sometimes with acts such as the Act of Women,
you know, the Violence Against Women Act, would have a
limitation to have to come back up for a vote.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Right, yeah, you know, right do that.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
And so Brian doh, thank you very much for that perspective,
and it was one of the few times that I
had a more cheerful perspective than Brian's.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Would celebrate that and thank you, thank you to our
listeners for listening once again to find out thank you,
I appreciate you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
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Why get all your holiday decorations delivered through instacart Because
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Or maybe your toddler got very eager with the advent calendar,
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or maybe the twinkle lights aren't twinkling. Whatever the reason,
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management or ownership.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Good morning of finding Out with Pete and the Poe Cold.
I'm Peter Leonard and I'm the Poet Gold and we're
on the air this morning with Brian Doyle, and Brian's
going to be talking about the implications of the recent
national election and especially it's local implication. But before we
get to Brian, we're going to go right to the
Poet Cold for her weekly pray a poem incantation Gold
(01:33):
please let it roll.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Yes, I'm going to I woke up with Claudette Covan
on my mind today and she was arrested at fifteen
in Montgomery, Alabama for not giving up her seat to
a white man. And so I just felt before Rosa Parks,
about nine months before Rosa Parks did it. So I
just wanted to, for whatever reason, talk about her today.
Read the poem about her Coldette Covan. She thought it
(01:55):
was a birthright. Freedom with feet that were feeling so tired.
Baby in a bun thought she was the one to
take a stand against the white man, to take a
stand for what was right. Then damn she was the first.
And her name is Coodette coven. Our history is permanent,
like stained glass that will never change, etch with memories
of injustice and victories, healed, wounds and scars left from
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a time pass but still present in the shackles, closed
still doors which have become institutionalized concentration camps, filled with
the emaciated minds of young Black American youth who are
still seeking their emancipation, not realizing that it comes with
through their education, the knowing of someone like you, the
knowing of someone like you, the knowing of someone like you.
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Colodette Covan, who stood and stood, Who stood and stood,
then sat so we could get up and walk, heads up,
No longer shuffle yes, sir, no, ma'am, open doors, walk
through closed doors. Whites only Blacks here Brouder versus Gail,
nineteen fifty six, Supreme Court, Thank God we have overcome,
Still grow. American knows when things ain't right right. American
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knows when things ain't right right. Homicide legal assassinations. I'm
gonna do diallu Michael Stewart, Michael Griffith, Trayvon Martin, George Floyd,
whose blood flow into the drains like rain after a storm,
washing away tragedies that once occurred here, which now become
faint memories, except for the loved ones, where lost becomes
deep pain, creating a crack in the heart, like a
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crevice in the Arctic ice, the resting place of a
cold chill. But we shall not forget you, because our
history is permanent, like stained glass that will never change,
etched with me, memories of injustice and victories, healed, wound
scars from a time left past but still present. And
you are still present, called at Colvan, who stood and stood,
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who stood and stood, then sat, so we may elevate,
walk and forward on.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Well, thank you for that one. That that was a fastball.
And I don't know if I don't know if I've
heard that one before.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
I think I think you may have, but some time ago.
You know, it's a while early early.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Poem, but it's that's that's one of the good ones.
As you know. I like, yeah, your political and racial poetry.
I have a preference for that and and not that
I'm against your spiritual and nature poem. I don't mind
them either.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
We actually brought her up to well. Family wanted to
honor her for the one of the Rosa.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Parks friends with her right she lived in the Bronx,
I believe she did. Yeah, well, these are good introductions,
an American introduction, racial introductions to what we had happened
in the national election. And Brian Doyle, the former CEO
(04:49):
of Family Services, a former elected official in the city
of Poughkeepsie. He was head a common council there. So
what we have a wise voice, so perspective to look
on our current events. Brian, what was your reaction to
their recent elections? Just kind of on a general scale,
(05:14):
How do you feel emotionally as well as intellectually.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Oh, great disappointment, great disappointment and to an extent revulsion.
I was very, very disturbed by the election results, and
of course, like many, you know, trying to replay and
just you know, think about the reasons for it and
(05:40):
all of that. And you know, when you read the poeman,
you know, let's forget about her, Okay, I mean, stop
putting that in my face. And I think that was
I'm speaking for I think those people who elected Donald Trump,
(06:01):
many of them. Okay, yeah, the race issue, the way
in which you know, very important ideas like critical race theory, diversity, equity,
and inclusion were purposely distorted by so many people. He
being distorted in chief, and you know, and I think
(06:24):
that those distortions appeal to people who were frightened of
those in the first place. And instead of people being
able to absorb something that you know, could make all
of us better, there was an impulse to reject that
and to hate it, and to just want to not
(06:46):
only dismiss it, but just let it dissolve into nothingness.
So I think that was certainly an element, and I
think Donald Trump's impulses to just make those distortions and
appeal to such baser instincts in so many of us, UH,
(07:10):
contributed greatly to it. Of course, there's the meacolpas about
how Democrats misread the electorate. I think that's true, but
I think in essence, my takeaway from the whole thing
was that we sold out our moral compass for the
(07:33):
purpose of more base uh desires. I was going to
say needs, but desires, whether they be economic or cultural.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
So when you when you use a word like revile
or we finally found it repulsive? Was that the word
you use, you use a stronger word than we usually
use in and discourse, right, and you to have that
(08:06):
the depth of that feeling is, you know, certainly understandable
as an individual and as a citizen. But what does
it mean for us as a community, a local community
like you know, Poughkeepsie, Dutchess County. Well, do you think
the implications of a Republican victory?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I think it evokes fear among many of us, and
many of us, you know, for different reasons and on
different levels. My fear is more perhaps on the you know,
the cerebral thoughts of what this country is and will
(08:51):
it will it survive? But then there are others who
are I think, very realistically threatened in many ways loss
of family, loss of employment, loss of safety net. So
(09:11):
I think those, you know, those fears run the gamut.
And for me, I think I'm in that space where
I probably don't have to fear for family or economic wellbeing,
but I fear for others who certainly do. During his
(09:33):
first term, when I was at Family Services, there was
a woman who was working for us up in Ulster County,
and her husband was here on you know, not a citizen,
not a some sort of status that allowed him to
be here, and it allowed him to work and for years,
(09:56):
and he would have to report now and then down
to New York or maybe every six months or every year.
That became a matter of routine that he would report
and then come back and take care of his family
and go back to his job. And and then this
one time when he went down to report, he didn't
(10:16):
come back. He was just sequestered and sent sent back
to his country of origin, which had you know, obviously
traumatic traumatic results for his family, his wife, and and
(10:38):
that's that will be happening again. We know that. And
that's been promised. Uh, Stephen Miller has been in been
put in charge of it, and he I find I
find nothing in terms of character or charity about him.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
And promise is the word. The other words looking for
the Brian. So there was a repulse, but we have
to go to Gold.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Yes, tell us, if you're just tuning in, you're listening
to finding Out with Pete and the poet Gold, and
I'm the poet Gold, and we're here with Brian Doyle,
a good friend of ours, a former CEO of Family Services, Inc.
And form election official of the City of Poughkeepsie. You know,
when you were talking about being frightened for others and
have a concern for others, I mean, now they've included
the children.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
There are text messages being sent out and the FBI
is investigating this across the country to young black and
brown youth saying that you know, on Monday or on
this date, you're to report to the plantation and you're
assigned to this lot. And they're really, you know, very
clear messages that that wasn't happening prior to Donald Trump,
(11:54):
you know. And so when people say that there's sometimes
no accountability on his part, you know, I beg to differ,
you know, because there was definitely a messaging, a manipulation,
you know, two people, and particularly two white people, who
have certain types of fear of replacement, the replacement theory,
(12:16):
really feeling that they're being replaced by so many different
ethnic groups that are here in the country. I don't
know if you heard about the text at all.
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Speaker 3 (14:27):
I had heard vaguely, but I'm watching so many things
that are going on and again with great fear. And
you know, I mentioned, you know, race is a big
part of it. I think it goes beyond that. And
I do think that it is due time for the
Democrats or those of us who you know, want to
(14:50):
reverse this whenever we can, you know, to look upon
some of the errors of the current administration and the
bid Yeah, the Bide administration, and where it fell short
in reality and also in perception both, you know. So
that's got to be looked at, There's no doubt about it,
and there has to be time taken for that. But
(15:12):
at the same time, I think a lot of energy
has to be spent on, you know, just keeping an
eye on everything that is going on and seeing who
is yielding to this and who is standing up to it.
And I believe people will be standing up to it,
and I just pray it will be enough.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Right, let me save you a little effort. The people
who are going to stand up to it are Democrats
and with a handful list, Gane being the most prominent one.
But the Republicans have made a clear along that they're
going to accommodate Donald Trump, even at his worst. But
(15:57):
let me bring it back a little bit between what
you're talking about in Gold, you know, when you talk
about you know, the personal side of things and children.
My forty three year old son, Kevin, who I've mentioned
several times on the AA here, he's developments of disabilities.
He lives in New Horizons group home successfully and happily
(16:17):
and delightfully for the last sixteen years. And I'm scared
for Kevin. And I know you've had a very, very
wide experience in developments of the disability field with New
York State. Can you give me a sense are my
fears founded or should I think, Oh, it's going to
(16:41):
be swell. What's your perspective on how it's going to
affect funding for people with developmental disabilities? Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I don't think it's going to be swell. I think that,
you know, everything that's been done in terms of developing
ourselves as a civilized country and society, everything is fair game.
And you can look at the appointments already that had
(17:07):
been made and it's clear that you know, I spoke
to people before the election who I know, we're going
to vote for Donald Trump, and they say, you know,
he's a jerk or he's rough around the edges, and
he says these things, he's not going to do it. Well,
look over the past few days. Look who he nominated
(17:29):
to be the Attorney General of the United States or
nominated to be his personal provocateur. Going after his enemies,
I mean, he is going after them. I mean he
said he would do it. Not everybody believed it.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
And I think some people who you knew were going
to vote for Trump thought that he was.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Absolutely, absolutely, but at least he would shake things up,
you know, sufficiently for there their satisfaction. But I think
there's going to be a growing buyer's remorse. And I
just don't know how long it will take.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Obviously we have the twenty twenty six elections where hopefully
the Congress will be taken back. But there's still a
lot of time to do for him to do a
lot of damage.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Absolutely, Hitler did damage in four years that he was there, right,
you know, you know four years.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I just finished a book about Rose, about Lindbergh and
the America first, and what was harrowing about that book.
I knew about Lindbergh, but his wife, who was quite
the poet, also had the sense that, you know, democracy
had its time, but perhaps now the next phase is totalitarianism,
(18:53):
and she was writing it off as just well, that's
probably just the way it's going to be, and it's
okay and of course chilling. You know, very nice woman.
I don't know if you've read any of her in Yeah,
he has done some beautiful yes, some beautiful prose and poetry,
(19:14):
and yet here she was espousing that democracy has had
its time. And you know, Hitler is just he's going
to be.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
He's just that guy. Let me interest you before you
go to gold again. But just to say how the
one delight that I have as a Democrat is that
every single Democrat in America believe the results of the election.
And what I want to say is Democrats actually believe improve.
(19:47):
They believe in elections and therefore democracy. And I want
to say, if you're going to believe the poll, sixty
percent of Republicans still thinks that Donald Trump won the
two thousand and twenty elections, and with no evidence, they're wrong,
they're proven wrong, they don't even have the legs to
stand on, and yet they want to pretend that. And
(20:08):
every Democrat in America believes that when the election results
come in, those are the election results, and with that,
very very pretty I thought we're going to go to
Gold to tell.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Us once again you're tuning in finding out what Pete
and the poet going. I have a thought with that,
and I'm poet Gold and I'm Peter that okay, and
we're here with Brian Dole, former CEO of Family Services, Inc.
And just having a one for conversation about the aftermath
of the election and perspective on that. But to your point, Peter,
(20:40):
in that every Democrat believes that, you know, or we're
able to step away gracefully and say.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
You know, you won.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Had Donald Trump not have won, we would have been
back in the same thing, you know, would have been
back the whining and the crying of you know, his
his constituents and parties saying that it was an unfair election.
So it's a little ironic that he wins and how
gracefully we're able to go you know you want and
that's it.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
And that's so that's such small consolation, Peter. I'm sorry,
and I think something we shouldn't spend a lot of
time on. There's there's enough else that we need to
attend to.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Okay, let me say democracy is not small and I
don't mind doing it. And whining and crying is one thing,
lying is another. But the part where you believe in
democracy and you hope that the next election democracy is
actually the dominant theme, whereas the next election might be
(21:34):
more of an appointment.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
And that is if we have a next election.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I mean, yeah, an appointment is not election. But Brian,
you seem to want to go back to that point
with more vehemence than you left it.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Well, you know, and speaking to if there's another election.
Of course, Donald yesterday to congressional leaders, uh spoke about
the election and spoke about, well, be here at the
next selection unless you guys figure something out that we
can maybe not have to leave. So you know, he's
(22:10):
putting some feelers out there and first humorously, but that
that will grow.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Uh. You know.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
The the interesting thing is, you know they people want
to bring intelligence back into government and efficiency back into government.
And uh so he appointed we's like Ramaswami and Elon
Musk to head that. So that's the height of efficiency,
appointing to people to head that up.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Right, there is a calling on here. But what I
want to say, Brian, is wider than my own interests
in uh, you know, people with developments and disabilities getting
a fair shake in America, which my son has gotten completely. Uh.
(23:00):
My senses that nobody receiving human services in Dutchess County
is better of today than it were two weeks ago.
What's your perspective as a professional on that.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Well, I think there are many threats and that's for sure,
and that's and I'm not saying it will make up
for all of those threats, but that's one reason for
which we need smart, intelligent people leading in human services.
And I don't know if you had an opportunity to
(23:32):
see what Leah Feldman put out to the staff of
Family Services, but I think it was very important, and
that is, we stand for justice, we stand for equity.
We will stand with you, we will stand with the
people to whom we provide services. We've had to deal
(23:53):
with these threats before, and we'll deal with these now.
And I think that is you know, it could be
viewed as an idealistic point of view, but I think
that's important for leaders such as Leah to do what
she did, which was to say that this this you know,
we're not done yet.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
There are many ways in which we have been able
to survive and thrive and we will continue to do so.
And that inspiration is needed now and I think appreciated
by the people who are hearing it absolutely.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
And you know, on a similar to opera, I heard
her as well saying that the local leadership in Dutchess
County is a leadership we can look at you with
some optimism. You know, the Suserina who is a Republican,
She's somebody that Leada trusts. And you know there there's
(24:52):
a lot of good will and a lot of decency
in Dutchess County. Will that make any difference? Do you think? Well?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I think relationships are always important, and I think Leah
is smart enough to, you know, to be following the
idea that you have to deal with everybody you know,
and you have to you have to deal with funders
of all stripes, and you have to find out how
(25:20):
you can best secure what your agency needs and the
people that you serve need. And sometimes you're successful, sometimes
you're not, but you get up and go at it
again when you're not.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
I mean, you know, next week they're going to be
celebrating the EPA grant, the Environmental Protection granted, Family Service
has got to clean up the asbestos in that area.
And also they're expanding mental health services to children to
(25:56):
county and family services. You have actually on those issues.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Well, I think the idea of expanding mental health services,
particularly for young people, is critical, and I think that's
going to happen. Uh, clearly. I think the EPA announcement,
I trust that will happen. And yet I think, you know,
everything is everything is laid out there as being at risk,
(26:24):
and federal fundings such as that could conceivably be threatened
by that, So you don't want to spend that money
before it's in the bank.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Wow. And what about on things like domestic violence? Is
does federal funding make a different with federal legislation make
a difference on the local level for domestic violence? With
sexual assault issues.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Well, occasionally the Violence Against Women Act needs to be renewed,
and it has been in the past. However, I don't
think that that I don't know when comes when it
comes up again. I don't think that secure though at
this point, because you know, aside from all the other
elements you know that contributed to this election result, I
(27:11):
think you know, the misogyny was certainly there, and you know,
some of it conscious, some of it not conscious, and
you know there may be that sense among men. Yes,
that's that's what I meant. I'm sorry, And you know,
you know people may think, well, we've gone too far.
(27:32):
You know, men should be able to keep their guns
even if they're involved in domestic violence issues. You know,
sometimes you know, the men are being victimized. And that's
you know, that's a thought that's gone through this county.
We can think of a number of men who have
thought that the whole movement toward erasing domestic violence has
(27:55):
has actually penalized men. And I don't think that that
that's that's specific to Dutchess County either.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
No, that's a widespread thing.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
And you know, just before we go very quickly, it
amazes me sometimes with acts such as the Act of Women,
you know, the Violence Against Women Act, would have a
limitation to have to come back up for a vote.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Right, yeah, you know, right do that.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
And so Brian doh, thank you very much for that perspective,
and it was one of the few times that I
had a more cheerful perspective than Brian's.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Would celebrate that and thank you, thank you to our
listeners for listening once again to find out thank you,
I appreciate you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
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