In this episode, we’re highlighting three powerful voices working at the intersection of opportunity, advocacy, and artistry.
🎧 Omar Nelson, Executive Director of the Samuel Staten, Sr. Pre-Apprenticeship Program (SSSPAP), shares his journey from social services to leading one of the region’s most impactful workforce development initiatives. With over 20 years of experience in case management and workforce programming, Omar is helping underserved communities in Philadelphia access hands-on training and real pathways into the construction trades.
🌐 Website: ssspap.org
📧 Email: info@ssspap.org
📞 Phone: 215-971-2960
🎧 We also hear from Dr. Hakim A. Stovall, a Philadelphia native and leading expert in public health, criminal justice, and violence prevention. With a background that spans corrections, academic research, and community engagement, Dr. Stovall brings deep insight into building safer, healthier neighborhoods. Currently serving with the Baltimore City Health Department, he focuses on youth wellness and community safety, especially in communities most impacted by violence. 📲 Instagram: @doctorhak06
🔗 LinkedIn: Dr. Hakim A. Stovall —
🎧 And finally, a special feature from our WorkReady Summer Intern Amaya Manigault, who sat down with rising musical artist Jeffery Scott. Known for his raw, soulful sound, Jeffrey opens up about his latest project Trace of Where I Left You—a reflective, emotional journey through love, healing, and growth. 📲 Instagram: @jeff3ry.scott — Follow and subscribe for more inspiring stories from the community.
Let us know which segment moved you most! #WorkforceDevelopment #ViolencePrevention #YouthVoices #PhillyStrong #MusicThatHeals #PodcastCommunity
🎧 Omar Nelson, Executive Director of the Samuel Staten, Sr. Pre-Apprenticeship Program (SSSPAP), shares his journey from social services to leading one of the region’s most impactful workforce development initiatives. With over 20 years of experience in case management and workforce programming, Omar is helping underserved communities in Philadelphia access hands-on training and real pathways into the construction trades.
🌐 Website: ssspap.org
📧 Email: info@ssspap.org
📞 Phone: 215-971-2960
🎧 We also hear from Dr. Hakim A. Stovall, a Philadelphia native and leading expert in public health, criminal justice, and violence prevention. With a background that spans corrections, academic research, and community engagement, Dr. Stovall brings deep insight into building safer, healthier neighborhoods. Currently serving with the Baltimore City Health Department, he focuses on youth wellness and community safety, especially in communities most impacted by violence. 📲 Instagram: @doctorhak06
🔗 LinkedIn: Dr. Hakim A. Stovall —
🎧 And finally, a special feature from our WorkReady Summer Intern Amaya Manigault, who sat down with rising musical artist Jeffery Scott. Known for his raw, soulful sound, Jeffrey opens up about his latest project Trace of Where I Left You—a reflective, emotional journey through love, healing, and growth. 📲 Instagram: @jeff3ry.scott — Follow and subscribe for more inspiring stories from the community.
Let us know which segment moved you most! #WorkforceDevelopment #ViolencePrevention #YouthVoices #PhillyStrong #MusicThatHeals #PodcastCommunity
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning. You're listening to Insight, a show about empowering
our community. I'm Lorraine Balladmorrow for the hear.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Me wayn Night Weaking your that nights h.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
That's the sound of young musician Jeffery Scott, featured in
an interview by one of our remarkable work Ready Summer interns,
Amaya Manigault. We'll also hear from doctor Hakim Stovall, who
shares valuable insights on building safer, healthier neighborhoods. But first,
let's take a look at an exciting initiative aimed at
increasing diversity in the construction industry, a field where inclusion
(00:35):
is more important than ever. Today we're joined by Omar Nelson,
executive director of the Samuel Stayton Senior pre Apprenticeship Program.
With over twenty years of experience in social services, case
management and workforce development, Omar has dedicated his career to
helping people stabilize their lives and access life changing opportunities.
We're going to be talking about a special program. Omar,
(00:57):
thank you so much for joining us here today, and
I want to you can tell us a little bit
about your background. Let's get an origin story here. What
inspired your journey into workforce development and social services and
what brought you to the sam Stateton Senior pre Apprenticeship Program.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'll just quickly say I've developed this mantra about my
background and my story to say I went to school
to be an electrical engineer and I came out of
social worker and that's always like a little room chuckle.
But I'll just tell you that me growing up in
the inner city North Philadelphia, going to Public's High school,
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graduating and then going on to college, I was privy
to the struggle, privy to living in neighborhoods where we
may do, and I am not far removed from probably
socio economical ills. So with that, the love and a
calling for myself was to start helping other peoples as
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I helped myself.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Tell us more about the Samuel Stayton Senior pre Apprenticeship Program.
What makes it you week, especially for people of color
and women interested in construction trades.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well, yes, historically, from the perspective of building trades in
a hole and in the larger scope, it's not a
large presence of minorities building construction, and it's even less
of a presence of women So this program is educate
individuals that are minority men and women, and that's people
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of color as well as individuals that are hard to
serve or don't even have the opportunity to find building
trades as a track record or as a direction for them.
So this program allows individual to start the journey to
get into the building and construction trades. I can just
tell you from me coming up, I was told or
understood that those trades wasn't for me.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I wonder if you could tell us about how this
program is changing lives. Can you share a success story
that stands out for you?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Well, yes, I can share a couple, but I can
just tell you. Through our behavior work curriculum, our modification
of financial literacy as well as OC certification, we're doing
more than just training. We're setting people up and preparing
them for trajectory in their lives that's going to be sustainable.
They're going to take part of, and take ownership of
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and be proud of. So with our curriculum, individuals come
into the program and just become better overall individuals and
better to themselves.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Success stories.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I can just tell you one in particular, there's a
young lady who came into the program and I can
just tell you she was probably just maybe nineteen, and
she really didn't have a direction, but she knew she
wanted something different, and after tapping into her potential, she
became one of the brightest students center program who became
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an assistant teacher to our instructors, and then landing herself
into the Electricians Union, breaking the barrier of the number
of minority women that are already there as a young lady.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
She now has a career and Electricians.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That is great. I love stories like that. Now you've
got a class that starts on August twenty seventh. What
should interested applicants know about the program's requirements and benefits?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
So the requirements are individuals that have graduated from high
school or have aged eighteen and over, have a valid
driver's license, who are a drug free and who can
provide birth certificate Social Security card. Individuals that meet those
criterias then can apply on our website. Want to get
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more information about the program and understand what direction they
will go and the next stage of their application, They
can submit an application on our website. Someone from our
staff will contact them within a day or two days
to just get them started to be able to answer
questions that they might have and interview them to see
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if they're a fit for the program and if the
program is a fit for their needs, they'll be invited
to the orientation and once they get antiquated with the process,
they'll start a journey going into our pre apprenticeship program.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And we are.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Developed and we have developed a pathway to careers.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
So we are we are.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Looking and we are inviting individuals to look into career pathways,
advanced manufacturing, other entities that's going to bring life sustaining
career paths. So individuals come in our program and sometimes
don't end up in the building trades, but they end
up in a career that they are great that they
had an opportunity to.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Get into fantastic And what is the website and what
is the phone number for more information?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yes, the phone number is two on five six four
to two eight four six seven. And the website it's
www SSPAP dot org.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
That's great. And you know, I just have to say
I did the funeral for Samuel Styton Senior when he
passed a number of years ago, and I can't even
begin to tell you how many people showed up number one,
and how glowingly they spoke of his contributions to those
working class individuals who want to make a living, who
want to have a career, a life sustaining career as
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you mentioned before, and who really touched so many people.
So his legacy of helping people advance themselves and create
careers that can sustain their lives or their families continues
with this program, the Samuel Styton Senior pre Apprenticeship Program.
I want to thank you so much for joining us
here today, telling us about the program and going forward
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to create an opportunity for a lot of folks to
really get into a career that can really change their lives.
We want to thank you so much for joining us
here today.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Thank you, thank you for having me into such an
honor to be part of this program.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Today we're joined by doctor Hakim Asto, a public health advocate,
criminal justice expert, and a leading voice in violence prevention
and re entry reform. With over two decades of experience
spanning corrections, public health, and community engagement. Doctor Stoval brings
a rare combination of academic rigor and real world insight
from serving as a correctional Officer in DC to advancing
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gun violence research at Johns Hopkins. His work has shaped
local and national conversations on how we build safer, healthier communities.
Now let's talk to Dr Stoval. Thank you so much
for coming in, and you're here for a lot of
different reasons, right, Yes.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Thank you for having me, yes so well, well for starters.
This week is the ninety eighth convention for Alpha Phi
Alpha Fraternity Incorporated, upon which the convention itself is being
held at the Philadelphia Convention Center from July sixteenth to
the twentieth, and very excited to be a part of that.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Certainly there is a strong and long commitment to community
service that this fraternity has provided, and communities service has
really been at the center of who you are now.
Your journey spans corrections, education, public health. What inspired you
to dedicate your life to violence prevention and social justice.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Well, it's my growth and development growing up in the
streets of West Philadelphia. Grew up on fifty eighth and
Wannat Streets right between Locus across the street from Sarah
High School, which was once Sayah Junior High and I
grew up with a mixture of folks who grew up
in different circumstances, but also in an ecosystem where there
was very supportive in a sense of resources that were
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able to help enhance my development over time to help
me become successful. And then also from lifes, trials and
tribulations that I've seen young folks being killed by gun violence,
individuals being deprived from certain resources to help them thrive.
And so through those experiences alone, by having those support
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mechanisms in place to help me grow and sustain myself,
one of my mentors told me to pay it forward,
so to speak. And so I feel as though that
it's my responsibility to really put my all in, too,
impour in my heart into a community of individuals who
face the same circumstances that I have in order to
help them become successful and basically put a blueprint together
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for them to guide them to success.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, it sounds like you had a strong village supporting you, absolutely,
and now you're part of the village supporting others. So
that's a wonderful thing. One of the challenges for those
who are incarcerated is recidivism. You know, going in, coming out,
going in, coming out. You actually had a dissertation that
you wrote focusing on re entry programs. What are some
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of the most critical supports that reduce recidivism and violence
in communities?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Working as a corrections officer in Washington, d C. What
intrigued me the most was that I saw an ongoing
system of the same people coming in and out of
the facility, and it piqued my curiosity. And so one
of the units that I work with, a couple of
the inmates we got together and I asked, I said, well,
why are you guys always consistently coming in? And he said, well,
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one of the things that one of the inmates had
shared with me that he didn't have a place to stay,
didn't have access to medical care, didn't have access to
dental care, and another younger individual had challenges with child care,
and also as a criminal returning into the community, he
was faced with a lot of different challenges whereas he
had to rob someone in order to sustain the resources
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necessary to compensate for child support or food or additional
resources to help a child survive. And when I started
to understand that a little bit more, I did a
comparison analysis with a re entry program based out of
Philadelphia was the JEBS Looking Forward program where I took
a span of three years looking at a caseload of
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three hundred and seventy five individuals who were part of
that program and did a comparison analysis to how many
individuals were we are rested. But by evaluating that information
and seeing that there were significant details in terms of
the factors that were related to them being rearrested, where
you're looking at childcare, housing, medical care, mental health, transportation.
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If you remove one of those factors, then subsequently then
that individual would be subject to arrest. And so by
creating a framework or creating suggestions based off of the
research to help be able to sustain or implement some
type of framework that would have all these elements in place,
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can help to reduce recidivism. And so by that focus alone,
we through the DC's jail program, there was a program
that I was a part of which was called the
Ready Center, and the Ready Center primarily focuses on inmates
that are in preparation of being released but drawing a
thirty sixty ninety plan, so to speak, and by working
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with the caseworker doing a thirty sixty ninety plan, that
information and preparation for them to leave. The program itself
would connect right to a one stop shop which is
based right outside of the jail.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Let's talk about root causes of violence, because I've been
covering violence prevention for many years and there's lots of
different theories. Obviously, poverty and being under resourced is certainly
one aspect. The lack of some of these elements that
you talk about that can contribute to someone going back
into a life of crime because they don't have the
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basics and they need to go with what they're familiar with.
Let's talk about some of the root causes that you
have encountered and some of the solutions that you have
considered well.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
In the community of my upbringing, I go by a
philosophy of understanding community asset mapping. When we think about
community asset mapping, we think about different support programs of
village raising a child, so to speak, where there's an
ecosystem of present resources like for and since I grew
up in West Philadelphia across the street from Sarah High School,
and across from Sarah High School there was a recreation center.
(13:07):
A lot of young individuals who were subsequent to high
level violence. You know did not have access to those resources,
but we didn't see a lot of that well, I
grew up in the nineties, So basically the exposure to
having mentors and individuals to coach them in swimming, basketball,
boy scouts, different programs that were located at the library
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on fifty second Street, the West Philadelphia branch for Representative Blackwell,
there were multiple reading programs and in other enrichment programs
that would help certain kids in the community be more
focused towards other things that would keep them out of
harm's way or present a clear and present danger to folks.
(13:49):
I think one of the major factors that contributes to
today's societal impacts are exposure to a lot of online violence,
YouTube tube, Instagram, things of that nature, online bullying. Now
we see an increase in suicides among young black males
and particularly and so by understanding this, we experience a
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lot of situations where we have young individuals go through
what's called average childhood experiences. Through those average childhood experiences,
we begin to witness a large percentage of young individuals
that aren't being properly mentored, not being properly parented to
the extent where they parent themselves and you know, not
having the philosophy and mentorship of other individuals to be
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able to place a sense of navigation or direction on
those individuals. They see what you know, they pretty much
act on what they see. And basically, if you're in
an ecosystem that has nothing but negativity and violence, and
then over time within that ecosystem, that individual grows into
the behavior that they see.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Well, we see it so often and being out of
the community for so many years, we see how the
lack of parent or positive parenting has such a tremendous impact. Certainly,
having strong mentors, having a sense of possibility, having resources
and activities in a way to determine your own personal identity.
Those are all factors that contribute to a positive outcome
for young people. And so all these things definitely we
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need more of. As a mentor and a Cheney University lum,
how do you see education, especially HBCUs playing a role
in long term violence prevention and community transformation.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Well, one of the major things that I've uncovered in
my research is a large percentage of HBCU systemic violence.
As a matter of fact, and coming from a HBCU myself,
last year, we've seen three major incidents, mass shooting at
Tuskegee University. Secondly, we saw a mass shooting at Virginia
State University as well as the year prior at Morgan
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State University. And so we're seeing a shift of a
lot of individuals who come from those systemic behaviors that
may have the band with to be able to in
a capacity. We have smart individuals, but in terms of
what we see and how we act on what we see,
we bring a lot of that to different environments. And
so I've been working with individuals at Chane University to
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work on systemic ways on how to prepare to engage
properly with individuals, provide training programs on insight, being able
to being able to exchange information in a way where
everyone works as one and everyone is cohesive in a
sense where we're building to succeed. And so as a
representative of the first HBCU, I feel as though that.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Is someone's gonna call me up until oh no, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
It's my responsibility as the first to be the guiding
light as a representative of the university to be able
to help enhance and provide mentorship in any way possible
to allow these individuals to see different dimensions on how
they can become successful, and not only how they can
become successful, but how we can share the blueprint of
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what or how we design our peace mechanism to other
universities as well.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Well.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
As we close this interview, any final words, any final
messages and also how do we get in.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Touch with you?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
I can be reached at my Instagram which is at
doctor d oct O r hak zero six. That's my
handle on Instagram, and then I can also be reached
on LinkedIn under doctor Hakeem Haki m A dot stoveall
stov a L L.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Well.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I want to thank you so much for joining us
here today. It's always good to see someone strong and
committed to making a difference in our communities, and certainly
doctor Hakim Stovo is one of those individuals. Public health advocate,
criminal justice expert, a leading voice in violence prevention and
re entry reform. Thanks so much, thank you. Finally, a
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special segment produced by one of our Summer work Ready students.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Hello, my name is AMIYAA Taymangal and today I am
joined by Jeffrey Scott, a musical sensation actor and a
good friend of mine and artists who sounds honest as
it is haunting. Jeffrey has a gift for turning emotion
into melody. His latest album, Trace of Where I Left You.
It's deeply personal and beautifully layered project that takes listeners
on a journey of love, reflection, and renewal with raw
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lyrics that stay with you long after the last track.
I am excited to dive into the heart behind this project,
talk process, inspiration, and we'll also look ahead to what's next.
Jeffrey Scott, Welcome and thank you for being here.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Hey guys, Hello, hello.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Hello, Jeffrey. You built something special with Trace of Where
I Left You? When words fall short? What has Trace
Where I Left You allowed you to say.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
I left you had me finally convey film that I
wasn't able to convey normally while speaking.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
TRACEA Why I left you for me was multiple different things.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
It was about renewal, finding oneself, self discovery, and reflection
and not always that being vulnerable. I think in all
my songs you hear a progression, and one of the
specific songs that I wrote, day Dreamin, I wrote that
in eighth grade, so I wanted to put that in
there to show how far I've come, and so it's
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just as a writer and as a musician, because I
still use the same track that I did way back then.
For Varius Shadows, that was me talking to God. I
wanted to do something a little different, something that was
not in my realm. But I also wanted to sample
the Clarcisist to pay tribute to them because they are
one of my very good inspirations and I always look
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up to them so as I was younger. So with
Voalius Shadows, that was me crying out to God and
just asking them for answers that I feel like I
can't get them in my normal.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Day to day.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
However, with Value of Shadows, I was able to talk
about my mental health and just you know, in a
way that I didn't have to get down into the
nitty gritty, but you kind of heard it within.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
The song Sad Brown Eyes.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
That was for two of my close friends named Kerol
and Oliver, because their dad both had passed away. So
in honor of them, I wrote that to convey their
films and what they were telling me at the time.
So I started writing that for them as a little
surprise and light Night that's just about vibes. I mean
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you kicking back, chilling, you know whomever you with, girl boy, whatever,
and you know you just chilling, catching the vibes and
you know you're having a good time.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I wanted to do a little bit of a chill,
fun song.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
That's beautiful. Do you feel like music has changed the
way you understand healing, time or memory?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Definitely?
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Honestly, I had music playlist for everything do I feel?
And if you look them, I like songs too. It's
very like bipolar because you know you can be listening
to one song woman that have you hypen in the
next minute song and edging your feelings.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Because music, I feel like that is my outlet.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
That has been my outlet since I was little, always
singing about my feelings. I'm always singing about whatever it is,
whatever's going on in my life too. So for me,
I feel like music is just timeless. You can't have
a world without music because music is everywhere, whether you're
hearing it from the trees, the birds and everything. But
it's also for me, it has helped me with memories
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that are not too fun to think about, and so
when you listen to a song. Sometimes I put songs
to memories that if I want to remember what happened
back then, how far I've come from that time, I
would listen to that song and just think.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
With music being such a placeholder, how do you find
space for both grief and gratitude and your music? Does
one outweigh the other? And if so, why I feel
the kind.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Kind of go both hands in hand, because like with grief,
your feeling grief and your gratitud are things that are
kind of tricky to convey the song because of the
fact that it depends on what's your melody.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
And honestly it's with grief and gratitude.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Also, if you have an upbe type of thing, you
can still be talking about grief. But you know, some
people might think it's a gratitude song for everything that
you know, what was going on with that's a person
or with you whatever. So for me, grief and gratitude
to convey it, I feel like you have to really
have that raw emotion and you have to have it
in a way that your voice can really touch the
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audience with. For me, it's I'm if I ever well,
I have done grief and gratitude, So me doing grief
and gratitude.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I always make sure I had those raw vocals.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
And even in layering when you work while I was
on the harmons or whatever, I want to.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Make sure the melodies stay very potent.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
While listening, and you did that beautifully as you can
all listen to the traces of where I left you
all streaming platforms. What do you do when the creative
process brings up emotions that you thought you had already
dealt with.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Honestly, I just let it play out.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
I tried to see what that emotion for me is
and why it was so strong at that time and point.
Because if I'm writing a song about a very strong
emotion that I have trouble dealing with, then that's me.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Trying to heal myself.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
And so I try to heal myself through writing the
music and put it on pen and paper. So even
while writing those songs, like when I did Value of Shadows,
some of that song was freestyle because it just came
to me based off of what the emotion that I
felt door Again, so I was as we were creating it,
shout out to my producer Jackson and specific too for
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help me with this project. They when me and Jackson
was working on it I came in, I just had
only this fun hear me, we get yours, and I
just kept singing it over and over again. And as
we were figuring out, because I knew I wanted an
acoustic sale, so as we're figuring out, he just kept
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playing it over and over again. That's when I just
started riffing and I started writing right then and there,
and even I just said at one point, I just said,
let me hop in the studio and then just you
know what I have wrote.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I kept.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
But then at some points of this song, like the
bridge and when I was on a little bit of
ad living, that part was freestyle. So you know, for me,
I wanted something new, I wanted something wrong, and I
wanted something that nobody could recreate but me. I mean,
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of course people can recreate things, but like for me,
that emotion that I had at that time, I wanted
something that I feel like only I know what was
going on. So for that song, specifically, keeping that trauma
of not knowing what to do next, I know what's
gonna happen next and everything, that's what fuel died.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
I feel like it's amazing. So what trace do you
hope your music leaves behind in people. Do you see
what I did there with trace?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
What traits do I hop? Wow?
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Well, I hope everybody listens to the song and it
touches them in a way where they can think about
their own memories in a way that can be good
and bad, you know. And for me, I grew up
with music, so my grandma sung in the church choir,
so I really owe everything.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
To her because I felt I got my voice from her.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
But I hope everybody just learns something for themselves, and
I hope I just touched the audience in a way
that is a positive light.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
You know. Sometimes and not every song for everybody.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
I wrote my story in the song in a way
that I can finally tell it through my words and.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Not you know what other people here? What not other
people see?
Speaker 6 (26:00):
And you're a multifaceted artist, what's next for you? Is
there a deluxe in the works? What are we up to?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
So there is a little bit of music in the works.
I'm currently writing right now.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
However, this fall I'm going to break they College of
Music Study Professional Music performance amazing.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
If people want to follow up on you on socials
or listen to your music, tell us how we can
connect with you.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
You can connect with me through Instagram that is j
E F F three R Y dot Scott S c
O T T. And you can also find our music
on all platforms called Jeffrey Scott j E F F
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Speaker 6 (26:41):
Trace of Where I left You, Thank you, and that
is Jeffrey Scott. The Trace of Where I Left You
is out. Now go stream fo hear me night.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Side. I need you to come.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
You know why you stuning your stuff us? I need
you to send someone now.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
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Speaker 6 (27:16):
To go.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I as broken me down you day.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
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Speaker 2 (27:49):
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Speaker 6 (27:58):
To go.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
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Good morning. You're listening to Insight, a show about empowering
our community. I'm Lorraine Balladmorrow for the hear.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
That's the sound of young musician Jeffery Scott, featured in
an interview by one of our remarkable work Ready Summer interns,
Amaya Manigault. We'll also hear from doctor Hakim Stovall, who
shares valuable insights on building safer, healthier neighborhoods. But first,
let's take a look at an exciting initiative aimed at
increasing diversity in the construction industry, a field where inclusion
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is more important than ever. Today we're joined by Omar Nelson,
executive director of the Samuel Stayton Senior pre Apprenticeship Program.
With over twenty years of experience in social services, case
management and workforce development, Omar has dedicated his career to
helping people stabilize their lives and access life changing opportunities.
We're going to be talking about a special program. Omar,
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thank you so much for joining us here today, and
I want to you can tell us a little bit
about your background. Let's get an origin story here. What
inspired your journey into workforce development and social services and
what brought you to the sam Stateton Senior pre Apprenticeship Program.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'll just quickly say I've developed this mantra about my
background and my story to say I went to school
to be an electrical engineer and I came out of
social worker and that's always like a little room chuckle.
But I'll just tell you that me growing up in
the inner city North Philadelphia, going to Public's High school,
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graduating and then going on to college, I was privy
to the struggle, privy to living in neighborhoods where we
may do, and I am not far removed from probably
socio economical ills. So with that, the love and a
calling for myself was to start helping other peoples as
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I helped myself.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Tell us more about the Samuel Stayton Senior pre Apprenticeship Program.
What makes it you week, especially for people of color
and women interested in construction trades.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well, yes, historically, from the perspective of building trades in
a hole and in the larger scope, it's not a
large presence of minorities building construction, and it's even less
of a presence of women So this program is educate
individuals that are minority men and women, and that's people
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of color as well as individuals that are hard to
serve or don't even have the opportunity to find building
trades as a track record or as a direction for them.
So this program allows individual to start the journey to
get into the building and construction trades. I can just
tell you from me coming up, I was told or
understood that those trades wasn't for me.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I wonder if you could tell us about how this
program is changing lives. Can you share a success story
that stands out for you?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Well, yes, I can share a couple, but I can
just tell you. Through our behavior work curriculum, our modification
of financial literacy as well as OC certification, we're doing
more than just training. We're setting people up and preparing
them for trajectory in their lives that's going to be sustainable.
They're going to take part of, and take ownership of
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and be proud of. So with our curriculum, individuals come
into the program and just become better overall individuals and
better to themselves.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Success stories.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I can just tell you one in particular, there's a
young lady who came into the program and I can
just tell you she was probably just maybe nineteen, and
she really didn't have a direction, but she knew she
wanted something different, and after tapping into her potential, she
became one of the brightest students center program who became
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an assistant teacher to our instructors, and then landing herself
into the Electricians Union, breaking the barrier of the number
of minority women that are already there as a young lady.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
She now has a career and Electricians.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That is great. I love stories like that. Now you've
got a class that starts on August twenty seventh. What
should interested applicants know about the program's requirements and benefits?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
So the requirements are individuals that have graduated from high
school or have aged eighteen and over, have a valid
driver's license, who are a drug free and who can
provide birth certificate Social Security card. Individuals that meet those
criterias then can apply on our website. Want to get
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more information about the program and understand what direction they
will go and the next stage of their application, They
can submit an application on our website. Someone from our
staff will contact them within a day or two days
to just get them started to be able to answer
questions that they might have and interview them to see
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if they're a fit for the program and if the
program is a fit for their needs, they'll be invited
to the orientation and once they get antiquated with the process,
they'll start a journey going into our pre apprenticeship program.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And we are.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Developed and we have developed a pathway to careers.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
So we are we are.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Looking and we are inviting individuals to look into career pathways,
advanced manufacturing, other entities that's going to bring life sustaining
career paths. So individuals come in our program and sometimes
don't end up in the building trades, but they end
up in a career that they are great that they
had an opportunity to.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Get into fantastic And what is the website and what
is the phone number for more information?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yes, the phone number is two on five six four
to two eight four six seven. And the website it's
www SSPAP dot org.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
That's great. And you know, I just have to say
I did the funeral for Samuel Styton Senior when he
passed a number of years ago, and I can't even
begin to tell you how many people showed up number one,
and how glowingly they spoke of his contributions to those
working class individuals who want to make a living, who
want to have a career, a life sustaining career as
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you mentioned before, and who really touched so many people.
So his legacy of helping people advance themselves and create
careers that can sustain their lives or their families continues
with this program, the Samuel Styton Senior pre Apprenticeship Program.
I want to thank you so much for joining us
here today, telling us about the program and going forward
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to create an opportunity for a lot of folks to
really get into a career that can really change their lives.
We want to thank you so much for joining us
here today.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Thank you, thank you for having me into such an
honor to be part of this program.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Today we're joined by doctor Hakim Asto, a public health advocate,
criminal justice expert, and a leading voice in violence prevention
and re entry reform. With over two decades of experience
spanning corrections, public health, and community engagement. Doctor Stoval brings
a rare combination of academic rigor and real world insight
from serving as a correctional Officer in DC to advancing
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gun violence research at Johns Hopkins. His work has shaped
local and national conversations on how we build safer, healthier communities.
Now let's talk to Dr Stoval. Thank you so much
for coming in, and you're here for a lot of
different reasons, right, Yes.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Thank you for having me, yes so well, well for starters.
This week is the ninety eighth convention for Alpha Phi
Alpha Fraternity Incorporated, upon which the convention itself is being
held at the Philadelphia Convention Center from July sixteenth to
the twentieth, and very excited to be a part of that.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Certainly there is a strong and long commitment to community
service that this fraternity has provided, and communities service has
really been at the center of who you are now.
Your journey spans corrections, education, public health. What inspired you
to dedicate your life to violence prevention and social justice.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Well, it's my growth and development growing up in the
streets of West Philadelphia. Grew up on fifty eighth and
Wannat Streets right between Locus across the street from Sarah
High School, which was once Sayah Junior High and I
grew up with a mixture of folks who grew up
in different circumstances, but also in an ecosystem where there
was very supportive in a sense of resources that were
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able to help enhance my development over time to help
me become successful. And then also from lifes, trials and
tribulations that I've seen young folks being killed by gun violence,
individuals being deprived from certain resources to help them thrive.
And so through those experiences alone, by having those support
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mechanisms in place to help me grow and sustain myself,
one of my mentors told me to pay it forward,
so to speak. And so I feel as though that
it's my responsibility to really put my all in, too,
impour in my heart into a community of individuals who
face the same circumstances that I have in order to
help them become successful and basically put a blueprint together
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for them to guide them to success.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, it sounds like you had a strong village supporting you, absolutely,
and now you're part of the village supporting others. So
that's a wonderful thing. One of the challenges for those
who are incarcerated is recidivism. You know, going in, coming out,
going in, coming out. You actually had a dissertation that
you wrote focusing on re entry programs. What are some
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of the most critical supports that reduce recidivism and violence
in communities?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Working as a corrections officer in Washington, d C. What
intrigued me the most was that I saw an ongoing
system of the same people coming in and out of
the facility, and it piqued my curiosity. And so one
of the units that I work with, a couple of
the inmates we got together and I asked, I said, well,
why are you guys always consistently coming in? And he said, well,
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one of the things that one of the inmates had
shared with me that he didn't have a place to stay,
didn't have access to medical care, didn't have access to
dental care, and another younger individual had challenges with child care,
and also as a criminal returning into the community, he
was faced with a lot of different challenges whereas he
had to rob someone in order to sustain the resources
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necessary to compensate for child support or food or additional
resources to help a child survive. And when I started
to understand that a little bit more, I did a
comparison analysis with a re entry program based out of
Philadelphia was the JEBS Looking Forward program where I took
a span of three years looking at a caseload of
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three hundred and seventy five individuals who were part of
that program and did a comparison analysis to how many
individuals were we are rested. But by evaluating that information
and seeing that there were significant details in terms of
the factors that were related to them being rearrested, where
you're looking at childcare, housing, medical care, mental health, transportation.
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If you remove one of those factors, then subsequently then
that individual would be subject to arrest. And so by
creating a framework or creating suggestions based off of the
research to help be able to sustain or implement some
type of framework that would have all these elements in place,
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can help to reduce recidivism. And so by that focus alone,
we through the DC's jail program, there was a program
that I was a part of which was called the
Ready Center, and the Ready Center primarily focuses on inmates
that are in preparation of being released but drawing a
thirty sixty ninety plan, so to speak, and by working
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with the caseworker doing a thirty sixty ninety plan, that
information and preparation for them to leave. The program itself
would connect right to a one stop shop which is
based right outside of the jail.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Let's talk about root causes of violence, because I've been
covering violence prevention for many years and there's lots of
different theories. Obviously, poverty and being under resourced is certainly
one aspect. The lack of some of these elements that
you talk about that can contribute to someone going back
into a life of crime because they don't have the
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basics and they need to go with what they're familiar with.
Let's talk about some of the root causes that you
have encountered and some of the solutions that you have
considered well.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
In the community of my upbringing, I go by a
philosophy of understanding community asset mapping. When we think about
community asset mapping, we think about different support programs of
village raising a child, so to speak, where there's an
ecosystem of present resources like for and since I grew
up in West Philadelphia across the street from Sarah High School,
and across from Sarah High School there was a recreation center.
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A lot of young individuals who were subsequent to high
level violence. You know did not have access to those resources,
but we didn't see a lot of that well, I
grew up in the nineties, So basically the exposure to
having mentors and individuals to coach them in swimming, basketball,
boy scouts, different programs that were located at the library
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on fifty second Street, the West Philadelphia branch for Representative Blackwell,
there were multiple reading programs and in other enrichment programs
that would help certain kids in the community be more
focused towards other things that would keep them out of
harm's way or present a clear and present danger to folks.
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I think one of the major factors that contributes to
today's societal impacts are exposure to a lot of online violence,
YouTube tube, Instagram, things of that nature, online bullying. Now
we see an increase in suicides among young black males
and particularly and so by understanding this, we experience a
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lot of situations where we have young individuals go through
what's called average childhood experiences. Through those average childhood experiences,
we begin to witness a large percentage of young individuals
that aren't being properly mentored, not being properly parented to
the extent where they parent themselves and you know, not
having the philosophy and mentorship of other individuals to be
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able to place a sense of navigation or direction on
those individuals. They see what you know, they pretty much
act on what they see. And basically, if you're in
an ecosystem that has nothing but negativity and violence, and
then over time within that ecosystem, that individual grows into
the behavior that they see.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Well, we see it so often and being out of
the community for so many years, we see how the
lack of parent or positive parenting has such a tremendous impact. Certainly,
having strong mentors, having a sense of possibility, having resources
and activities in a way to determine your own personal identity.
Those are all factors that contribute to a positive outcome
for young people. And so all these things definitely we
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need more of. As a mentor and a Cheney University lum,
how do you see education, especially HBCUs playing a role
in long term violence prevention and community transformation.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Well, one of the major things that I've uncovered in
my research is a large percentage of HBCU systemic violence.
As a matter of fact, and coming from a HBCU myself,
last year, we've seen three major incidents, mass shooting at
Tuskegee University. Secondly, we saw a mass shooting at Virginia
State University as well as the year prior at Morgan
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State University. And so we're seeing a shift of a
lot of individuals who come from those systemic behaviors that
may have the band with to be able to in
a capacity. We have smart individuals, but in terms of
what we see and how we act on what we see,
we bring a lot of that to different environments. And
so I've been working with individuals at Chane University to
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work on systemic ways on how to prepare to engage
properly with individuals, provide training programs on insight, being able
to being able to exchange information in a way where
everyone works as one and everyone is cohesive in a
sense where we're building to succeed. And so as a
representative of the first HBCU, I feel as though that.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Is someone's gonna call me up until oh no, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
It's my responsibility as the first to be the guiding
light as a representative of the university to be able
to help enhance and provide mentorship in any way possible
to allow these individuals to see different dimensions on how
they can become successful, and not only how they can
become successful, but how we can share the blueprint of
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what or how we design our peace mechanism to other
universities as well.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Well.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
As we close this interview, any final words, any final
messages and also how do we get in.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Touch with you?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
I can be reached at my Instagram which is at
doctor d oct O r hak zero six. That's my
handle on Instagram, and then I can also be reached
on LinkedIn under doctor Hakeem Haki m A dot stoveall
stov a L L.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Well.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I want to thank you so much for joining us
here today. It's always good to see someone strong and
committed to making a difference in our communities, and certainly
doctor Hakim Stovo is one of those individuals. Public health advocate,
criminal justice expert, a leading voice in violence prevention and
re entry reform. Thanks so much, thank you. Finally, a
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special segment produced by one of our Summer work Ready students.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Hello, my name is AMIYAA Taymangal and today I am
joined by Jeffrey Scott, a musical sensation actor and a
good friend of mine and artists who sounds honest as
it is haunting. Jeffrey has a gift for turning emotion
into melody. His latest album, Trace of Where I Left You.
It's deeply personal and beautifully layered project that takes listeners
on a journey of love, reflection, and renewal with raw
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lyrics that stay with you long after the last track.
I am excited to dive into the heart behind this project,
talk process, inspiration, and we'll also look ahead to what's next.
Jeffrey Scott, Welcome and thank you for being here.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Hey guys, Hello, hello.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Hello, Jeffrey. You built something special with Trace of Where
I Left You? When words fall short? What has Trace
Where I Left You allowed you to say.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
I left you had me finally convey film that I
wasn't able to convey normally while speaking.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
TRACEA Why I left you for me was multiple different things.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
It was about renewal, finding oneself, self discovery, and reflection
and not always that being vulnerable. I think in all
my songs you hear a progression, and one of the
specific songs that I wrote, day Dreamin, I wrote that
in eighth grade, so I wanted to put that in
there to show how far I've come, and so it's
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just as a writer and as a musician, because I
still use the same track that I did way back then.
For Varius Shadows, that was me talking to God. I
wanted to do something a little different, something that was
not in my realm. But I also wanted to sample
the Clarcisist to pay tribute to them because they are
one of my very good inspirations and I always look
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up to them so as I was younger. So with
Voalius Shadows, that was me crying out to God and
just asking them for answers that I feel like I
can't get them in my normal.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Day to day.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
However, with Value of Shadows, I was able to talk
about my mental health and just you know, in a
way that I didn't have to get down into the
nitty gritty, but you kind of heard it within.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
The song Sad Brown Eyes.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
That was for two of my close friends named Kerol
and Oliver, because their dad both had passed away. So
in honor of them, I wrote that to convey their
films and what they were telling me at the time.
So I started writing that for them as a little
surprise and light Night that's just about vibes. I mean
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you kicking back, chilling, you know whomever you with, girl boy, whatever,
and you know you just chilling, catching the vibes and
you know you're having a good time.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I wanted to do a little bit of a chill,
fun song.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
That's beautiful. Do you feel like music has changed the
way you understand healing, time or memory?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Definitely?
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Honestly, I had music playlist for everything do I feel?
And if you look them, I like songs too. It's
very like bipolar because you know you can be listening
to one song woman that have you hypen in the
next minute song and edging your feelings.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Because music, I feel like that is my outlet.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
That has been my outlet since I was little, always
singing about my feelings. I'm always singing about whatever it is,
whatever's going on in my life too. So for me,
I feel like music is just timeless. You can't have
a world without music because music is everywhere, whether you're
hearing it from the trees, the birds and everything. But
it's also for me, it has helped me with memories
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that are not too fun to think about, and so
when you listen to a song. Sometimes I put songs
to memories that if I want to remember what happened
back then, how far I've come from that time, I
would listen to that song and just think.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
With music being such a placeholder, how do you find
space for both grief and gratitude and your music? Does
one outweigh the other? And if so, why I feel
the kind.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Kind of go both hands in hand, because like with grief,
your feeling grief and your gratitud are things that are
kind of tricky to convey the song because of the
fact that it depends on what's your melody.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
And honestly it's with grief and gratitude.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Also, if you have an upbe type of thing, you
can still be talking about grief. But you know, some
people might think it's a gratitude song for everything that
you know, what was going on with that's a person
or with you whatever. So for me, grief and gratitude
to convey it, I feel like you have to really
have that raw emotion and you have to have it
in a way that your voice can really touch the
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audience with. For me, it's I'm if I ever well,
I have done grief and gratitude, So me doing grief
and gratitude.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I always make sure I had those raw vocals.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
And even in layering when you work while I was
on the harmons or whatever, I want to.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Make sure the melodies stay very potent.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
While listening, and you did that beautifully as you can
all listen to the traces of where I left you
all streaming platforms. What do you do when the creative
process brings up emotions that you thought you had already
dealt with.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Honestly, I just let it play out.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
I tried to see what that emotion for me is
and why it was so strong at that time and point.
Because if I'm writing a song about a very strong
emotion that I have trouble dealing with, then that's me.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Trying to heal myself.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
And so I try to heal myself through writing the
music and put it on pen and paper. So even
while writing those songs, like when I did Value of Shadows,
some of that song was freestyle because it just came
to me based off of what the emotion that I
felt door Again, so I was as we were creating it,
shout out to my producer Jackson and specific too for
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help me with this project. They when me and Jackson
was working on it I came in, I just had
only this fun hear me, we get yours, and I
just kept singing it over and over again. And as
we were figuring out, because I knew I wanted an
acoustic sale, so as we're figuring out, he just kept
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playing it over and over again. That's when I just
started riffing and I started writing right then and there,
and even I just said at one point, I just said,
let me hop in the studio and then just you
know what I have wrote.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I kept.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
But then at some points of this song, like the
bridge and when I was on a little bit of
ad living, that part was freestyle. So you know, for me,
I wanted something new, I wanted something wrong, and I
wanted something that nobody could recreate but me. I mean,
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of course people can recreate things, but like for me,
that emotion that I had at that time, I wanted
something that I feel like only I know what was
going on. So for that song, specifically, keeping that trauma
of not knowing what to do next, I know what's
gonna happen next and everything, that's what fuel died.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
I feel like it's amazing. So what trace do you
hope your music leaves behind in people. Do you see
what I did there with trace?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
What traits do I hop? Wow?
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Well, I hope everybody listens to the song and it
touches them in a way where they can think about
their own memories in a way that can be good
and bad, you know. And for me, I grew up
with music, so my grandma sung in the church choir,
so I really owe everything.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
To her because I felt I got my voice from her.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
But I hope everybody just learns something for themselves, and
I hope I just touched the audience in a way
that is a positive light.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
You know. Sometimes and not every song for everybody.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
I wrote my story in the song in a way
that I can finally tell it through my words and.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Not you know what other people here? What not other
people see?
Speaker 6 (26:00):
And you're a multifaceted artist, what's next for you? Is
there a deluxe in the works? What are we up to?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
So there is a little bit of music in the works.
I'm currently writing right now.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
However, this fall I'm going to break they College of
Music Study Professional Music performance amazing.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
If people want to follow up on you on socials
or listen to your music, tell us how we can
connect with you.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
You can connect with me through Instagram that is j
E F F three R Y dot Scott S c
O T T. And you can also find our music
on all platforms called Jeffrey Scott j E F F
E R Y AT C O T T.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Trace of Where I left You, Thank you, and that
is Jeffrey Scott. The Trace of Where I Left You
is out. Now go stream fo hear me night.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Side. I need you to come.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
You know why you stuning your stuff us? I need
you to send someone now.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I just scant spawned my own ikey.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
To go.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I as broken me down you day.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You can listen to all of today's interviews by going
to our station website and typing in keyword community. You
can also listen on the iHeartRadio app Y Words Philadelphia
Community podcast. Follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Lorraine Ballard.
I'm Lorraine Ballard Morrow and I stand for service to
our community and media that empowers. What will you stand for?
(27:46):
You've been listening to Insight and thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
No, I am just scared too, sped my own ikey.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
To go.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Thy Hans will kid me
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