August 3, 2024 • 28 mins
To say that I’m travel phobic might be going too far – but it’s true that I haven’t scheduled a real vacation since my mini honeymoon almost four years ago Well I’m taking the plunge and going abroad for a whole week I speak to Travel guru and Lisa Niver who is celebrated for inspiring others to seek out new experiences and embrace the transformative power of travel.
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First – I’ve said it over and over – if kids don’t read at grade level by fourth grade, they are not likely to graduate from high school or go on to higher learning. That’s why it’s so important to use all the tools to help them get to that Goal. Like simple signs Right2ReadPhilly is a summer campaign to help families support early literacy for their kids. They are piloting a program to promote Simple Signs (First Words in American Sign Language) that can boost speech and early learning. I speak to Sara Novic, best selling novelist, and deaf rights activists with her interpreter Sarah Reed and Dr. Heseung Song, President and CEO of Mighty Engine, lead consultant on the Right2Read Campaign. Some great ways to get involved: Post your family’s unique spin on Simple Signs for a chance to win $1,000! We don’t care if you’ve perfected Simple Signs. We just want you to have fun practicing together as a family. Take the Simple Signs survey of just six questions on the website and get a $10 Amazon card.
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First – I’ve said it over and over – if kids don’t read at grade level by fourth grade, they are not likely to graduate from high school or go on to higher learning. That’s why it’s so important to use all the tools to help them get to that Goal. Like simple signs Right2ReadPhilly is a summer campaign to help families support early literacy for their kids. They are piloting a program to promote Simple Signs (First Words in American Sign Language) that can boost speech and early learning. I speak to Sara Novic, best selling novelist, and deaf rights activists with her interpreter Sarah Reed and Dr. Heseung Song, President and CEO of Mighty Engine, lead consultant on the Right2Read Campaign. Some great ways to get involved: Post your family’s unique spin on Simple Signs for a chance to win $1,000! We don’t care if you’ve perfected Simple Signs. We just want you to have fun practicing together as a family. Take the Simple Signs survey of just six questions on the website and get a $10 Amazon card.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, and welcome to What's going on? A show
about making a difference in our lives and our communities.
I'm Lorraine Ballad Marl You say that I'm travel phobic
might be going a little too far, but it is
true that I haven't scheduled a real vacation since my
mini honeymoon almost four years ago. Well, I'm taking the
plunge and going abroad for a whole week. I speak
(00:23):
to travel guru Lisa Niver, who believes traveling abroad is
not only about going places, but can also be a
tremendous tool for personal growth. First, I've set it over
and over again. If kids don't read at grade level
by fourth grade, they are not likely to graduate from
high school or to go on to higher learning. That's
(00:44):
why it's so important to use all the tools to
help get them to that goal, like Simple Signs. We're
going to be talking about the right to read and
Philly's Simple Signs and to join us to tell us
more about this great tool for helping kids learn to week.
Sarah Novic a best selling novelist, an instructor in deaf
studies in creative writing, and a deaf rights activist. Doctor
(01:08):
Heisang's song as a developmental psychologist and president and CEO
of Mighty Engine, which is a Philly based creative agency
that's behind the campaign. And we also have Sarah Reid,
she is an interpreter. We're going to start with you,
he sung, and we've been talking about Right to Read
and the Alphabet Song and the Freedom School song, how
(01:29):
that's really helping kids learn about phonetics. But there's something
called simple Signs, and I think that people don't understand
how incredibly useful this can be to help kids learn
how to read. So tell us more about that.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So thank you Loraine first of all for inviting us
back to talk about Right to Read Philly. And that's
a summer campaign that's making early literacy a family affair
by making it easier for busy but loving families to
grow strong readers. So one of the things we're piloting
that's fun, eye opening and back by research that families
can do together is simple signs first words in American
(02:06):
sign language. So Sarah's been our chief collaborator, I'd like
to say co conspirator, enshowing that that's what we create
benefits all families, especially families with deaf and heart of
hearing children, and you know what, it's working. So we're
just starting our fourth week of the campaign and we've
(02:26):
had more than thirty five thousand views of campaign videos.
Now Sarah is much better than I am to tell
you more about simple signs.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Okay, Sarah Novic, let's talk about how simple signs gives
gives us another way to talk to our kids.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Certainly, thank you so much for having us again. So
simple signs in essence, it shows people's signs that signs
work together. That before children are physically able to learn
how to art ticket spoken language, their brain is still
(03:03):
ready and primed to have opinions, but oftentimes they are
not able to express those opinions, so that results in tantrums,
which I'm sure we all are familiar with. But they
do have simple motor skills and with those simple motor skills,
they are able to utilize to provide those opinions via
(03:26):
sign language. And that can happen very early in age,
sometimes as early as six months children will start using
those basic signs. So we are trying to establish different resources, tools,
materials for families to use to enable them to pick
up their first asl signs and really build that connection
(03:49):
between each other, because yes, it is about building a foundation,
a linguistic foundation, of course, but at the same time,
using these simple signs encourages families to look at each
other and have that eye contact and that connection and
have that family dynamic.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
You Know, what I love about signing is how expressive
it is. Words verbally are obviously very expressive, but when
you add that element of physicality to it, there is
something added to be able to express one's feelings, emotions
sign and people, I think are starting to appreciate this
even more that it's another access to our ability to
(04:28):
communicate with one another.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Right, absolutely, absolutely, that is the goal. Well, one of
my goals, you know, from my perspective, is just to
help the stigma, help eliminate those stigmas that are around
different forms of communication. Signing in particular is incredibly important,
is an incredibly important resource for everyone, not just deaf
(04:52):
and hard of hearing children, as we know, but also
for hearing children to be able to express themselves freely
and openly anywhere in any modality that they can, with
any community that they connect with. It can be you know,
through a window, if you're in a store, you can
communicate using sign language through a window, you can if
you're in a library a silent area, you can still
(05:13):
communicate using ASL. So there are many benefits not just
for deaf and heart of hearing children, but for everyone.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You know. I was at I'm on the board of
PHL Diversity, and during that PHL Diversity particular meeting, there
was someone from the School for the Deaf that was
there to talk about We talk about DEI diversity, equity,
and inclusion, but one thing that was added to that
which I learned about is access and belonging. And even
(05:42):
though you know what we're talking about right now is
access to language and ways to help our kids learn
language and be able to have another avenue of expression.
In the end, I think there's something even larger at
play here that as we see ASL become more mainstream,
that more people who are hearing are able to utilize
(06:05):
it and communicate with it, then that also opens up
that sense of belonging and that sense of access.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Absolutely I agree. I think that any time that we
can break down any barriers and improve that connection with
each other within our communities, that's a win for us.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Fantastic I'm going to get back to you, he sung.
So these simple signs are a tool that all parents
can take advantage of.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Tell us how well.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Before I do that, I do want to give the
mic back to Sarah because this whole creative process has
been such an incredible learning experience for me. One of
the things that I've learned is the need for ASL
among children who are deaf and hard of hearing, and
I wanted to ask Sarah to speak specifically about that
(06:53):
as well as how CIMVIL science is different from baby signs.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
All right, well, what is It's the difference between simple
signs and baby signs? Is there a distinction? Tell us more.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yes, absolutely there is a distinction. So with simple signs,
we are using actual ASL vocabulary, we have support from
the deaf community, we collaborate with the deaf community. Sometimes
with baby signs, it is often focused very specifically on
hearing children as an audience. Oftentimes the teachers are hearing
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it is hearing run. They're not teaching full ASL. They're
often teaching incorrect signs, and then they make people pay
for it. On top of that, this is very different.
Simple signs is free. It is an open resource. It
is also focused on supporting deaf and hard of hearing
children because we know that learning ASL early has many
(07:56):
cognitive benefits for all children, regardless of their hearing stuff.
But at the same time, hearing children in particular, they
often we see that linguistic access with help specifically from
deaf and hard of hearing children. So it's a very
old fashioned perspective within the medical community that the belief
(08:16):
is that to focus only on one language, either spoken
spoken language or sign language is the preferred method, but
there is evidence to support the exact opposite of that.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, we know that bilingualism is very important, that it
really does enhance a child's intellect and ability to navigate
the world. I mean being bilingual not only in different languages, yeah, absolutely,
but in ASL would just be another tool that gives
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children access and his sung You and I know someone
whose child has actually been using simple signs and he
has been hard of hearing, and that has been so
invaluable in his own ability to develop his communication skills.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Right, absolutely, I mean we see it all the time,
and with the family that you mentioned that it really
was a springboard for this family to make the essential
connections that we know are the building blocks for all
early learning. And we also are hearing from the social
media posts that we're getting in the community feedback that
how overdo this was the attention on sign language for
(09:28):
all kids and especially for deaf and heart of hearing
children in the same way that we tap black pedagogy
with the Freedom School's Alphabet song. There's very much an
activist zeal and all that we do for Write to
Read Philly. We have much to learn from other cultures,
including deaf culture and black culture, and we're trying to
bring those to the four so that all our kids
(09:49):
can benefit from it. I do want to give folks
a way to learn more about the campaign.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
So if you go to.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Write to Read Philly dot org and it's the number
two write to Read Philly dot com work, you can
access a ton of videos that Sarah helped us create
with Philly families and Philly reading advocates. And what's great
is that, like she was saying, it's not just words
like more that's probably the most popularized sign in baby sign.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
We provide words for.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
More what you know, because if you just say more
and more and more, they're still frustrated, right, but more milk,
or more hugs or more books. So we give children
the way to complete a thought using simple signs. We're
really hoping that we live up to write to the
right to read Philly goal, which is to truly make
it easy for our busy and loving families to engage.
(10:41):
So please check out the website and all the videos.
There's a ton of helpful tips, more fun ideas, and
information specifically for families with deaf and hard of hearing children.
Do not let this opportunity pass you by. Try signing
with a child you love and you will see the
benefits of it, but also learn more about the epidemic
(11:02):
of language deprivation for death and heart of hearings. Nearly
eighty percent of loose children crazily are not accessing asl
right now.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
And follow us.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I know it's a little confusing, but follow us on
Instagram at right to read Philly It's not the sign,
it's the preposition too, and not to write to read
Philly on Instagram. And also, if you post your your
family's unique spin on simple science, you have a chance
to win one thousand dollars. The contest runs till the
end of the summer August thirty first. We also just
(11:32):
posted a new simple Sign challenge yesterday, so post your
creative video interpretation of simple science no h limit.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Winner is awarded two hundred and.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Fifty dollars and if you'd like to partner with us
any organization out there, we want to hear from you
email Write to Read phillyat gmail dot com. A gigantic
thanks to campaign advisors Philly Families who helped us co
create Write to Read Philly, but also supporters like Lorraine
and iHeartMedia. Thank you so much because we know together
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we can protect our children's right to read.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And also I just want to ask Sarah Sarah just
to remind folks her novel True Biz was the twenty
twenty four to one Book one Philadelphia selection by the
Free Library of Philadelphia. And if people would like to
know more about how they can get their hands on
this novel, True Biz, or find out more about you
(12:27):
and follow you, how do they do that? What are
some ways in which we can connect with you?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
True Biz is available now everywhere at all libraries within
the city of Philadelphia, also at all all local bookstores
as well. You can find me on social media. I'm
Sarahnoviitch dot com. It's an obic yes, well, to be honest,
both work just as a little secret there to let
(12:54):
you know doctor song.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
But yes.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Also on Instagram, i am at photo no and it's
photo n ov i C So please follow me there.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Thank you, Loraine, You're welcome. And Sarah, I'm going to
give you the last word. So what would be your okay,
the most important message that you'd like our listeners to
hear from you?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Oh my goodness, all right. What I really want to
see in the future vision is just where children can
communicate freely and openly, doesn't matter if you are deaf,
hard of hearing, hearing where we are all working collaboratively
towards that goal. And I think that is in part
(13:38):
due to the resources that we offer at Simple Signs.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Okay, Well, that's a great way to leave it, and
I want to thank you all for joining us. Sarah
Novic best selling novelists, an instructor and deaf studies in
Creative writing, and a deaf rights activist, the author of
True Biz, the twenty twenty four to one book one
Philadelphia Selection. She is a consultant on the Right to
Read campaign. Doctor he Sung Song is a developmental psychologist
(14:06):
and president and CEO of Mighty Engine, which is the
engine behind this wonderful campaign. And Sarah Read. She is
the interpreter and has done a wonderful job. And for
those of you who are checking this out, Simple signs
a great way to get your kids the early language
learning tool that can be so helpful not only for
(14:28):
kids who are hard of hearing and death, but also
kids who are fully hearing. It's a wonderful way to
get them engaged in communication and language from a very
early age. So thanks all for joining us today.
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Thank you so much, Leraen, thank you.
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You're listening to what's going on. I am now going
to reveal something very personal about myself, and that is
that I have a fear of traveling. Now, this fear
of traveling has kept me from doing the kind of
traveling that I've always wanted to do. But I broke
that terrible habit of mine of avoiding travel and I
(17:44):
actually booked a vacation to Spain. And so it's so
appropriate that today I'm going to be speaking with a
world traveler. Her name is Lisa Niver. She has written
a memoir called Bravish One Breakup, Six Continents and Feeling
Fearless after fifty I can so identify with that. And
also she is the host of an award winning podcast
(18:05):
called Make your Own Map. Well, Lisa, boy, this is
really on time because I literally pushed the button to
click and make it all happen last week. So Bravish,
I guess I feel like I am a little bit bravish,
but you, in fact are an award winning travel expert
and author and adventurer, and you wrote a book that
has a title that I totally identify with. So tell
(18:26):
us more about how this came to be.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
I'm so honored to be here speaking with you, and
I am really so thrilled for you that you're going
to Spain. You're going to have the best time. Yes,
my book it came about bravish.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
It's funny.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
I get a lot of pushback on the title that
my best friend and my mom are like, you're not bravish,
you're brave. And I think the title really speaks to
people that we all have fears. Most of us want
something like you always wanted to travel more, maybe someone
wants to change their job. And I think bravesh really
speaks to people that you could try something. It's hard
(19:06):
as adults to do something new and not feel competent.
You know, we're not used to feeling uncertain, you know,
like am I going to be able to read the
signs to find my train in Madrid? Or you know,
will I get in the right airport line? Will will
I make it? And that fear keeps us from doing stuff,
And for myself, when I was getting divorced and starting
my life again. I felt so ashamed and embarrassed. It
(19:29):
was so traumatic. And that's how I started doing these challenges,
which is the bulk of the book. I did fifty
dares before I turned fifty.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Wow. Well, you know that's the thing that sometimes we
get stuck in a rut. We're used to our routine.
For me, I have a job that I love. I
could work, you know, till I drop. But I have
come to realize that there is more to life than work.
As much as I love my work, and the travel
(19:57):
is a very unique way of taking yourself out of
your comfort zone right and opening up a possibility that
perhaps you weren't aware of before. Tell us what it
is about travel and putting yourself in these situations that
are so unfamiliar that can really open up your heart
and your soul and your life.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
It's such a good point.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
I think that for me, being in a new place,
you have the opportunity to reimagine yourself. You know, when
you go to the same coffee shop and you go
to the same restaurant, and you do the same thing
all the time. When I was getting divorced, someone said
to me, you can't do something new in an old way,
and it gives you the opportunity to stretch, even if
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you aren't ready to go to another continent like you
are go to Spain. If you commute home, I mean
a lot of people don't travel for work anymore. But
if you are commuting and you literally drive on a
different street, it can make a difference to your brain
that you're doing something new and you might find out
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that one street over from the way you normally go.
Or if you're on the subway and you get off
one stop earlier and walk around and go to a
different restaurant, who knows.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
You might sit next to someone, or you might try
a food you never tried.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
You might go to a Vietnamese restaurant and decide, oh,
my gosh, I'm going to go to Vietnam. That it
gives you the opportunity to reconfigure your brain and your
neurons and your ideas. But the driving homeworks. The other
thing I always tell people is you don't have to
get on a plane to have an adventure in your
home city. I always recommend people take a cooking class.
It's very low entry to trying something new, especially you
(21:38):
know you love Italian food, take Italian class, or you
love sushi, take a sushi rolling class.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
They're not that expensive.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
You get to eat, and generally you meet people like
everybody's having fun and talking and it's something everybody, for
the most.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Part's pretty good at. Everybody eats.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So it has been proven from a research standpoint that
doing something new, whether it's every day or every week
or once a year or whatever, whatever it is that
you decide to do that's new that you've never done before,
does open up your neural pathways and they allow you
to think differently and to open up your idea of
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what is possible. I remember reading about Shonda Rhimes and
she wrote this wonderful book called The Year of Saying Yes.
And she is someone who, believe it or not, is
very shy, and I can say that for me too,
that I'm a little bit on the shy side. But
I find that when I decide to say yes for
things that scare me to death, like going to Spain,
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for instance, that a whole bunch of things open up.
And it is really about opening up your life to possibility.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
I love that you brought up her book because that book,
The Year of Yes is one of the reasons that
I did my project.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
I didn't think I could do it.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
And so that book and then your friend lu Ane
Cohn's book, Yes, I Dare Me. She did three one
hundred and sixty five things, and I was going to
considering doing.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Fifty things, and I was like, I can't do fifty.
I can't do fifty.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
And my friend told me, you know, it's only one
a week, and Luanne did one every day.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
She did. I did some of those with her. As
a matter of fact, you did, I did. Well. Let
me ask you this. So, having done what you've done,
maybe it wasn't every day, but you did travel to
one hundred countries, and you've done a lot, a lot
of things that perhaps you hadn't thought of doing before
you embarked on this journey. What has it done for you?
How has it changed you?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
You know? The most incredible thing is it really did
change me. One of the things I noticed when a
little bit I noticed going through doing the fifty things,
but much more I noticed writing the book about doing
the fifty things was that initially, no matter what the
challenge was, I said, no, someone would recommend something and
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I'm like, absolutely, not. I'm scared. I don't like it
on the afraid bad things happen to me. No, And
then most of the time someone would say, isn't that
the whole point of your project? And I said, please,
don't use my words against me. But as I got
towards the end, and certainly after the whole fifty things process,
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someone recommended something to me and I didn't hesitate. I
was like, oh my god, I definitely want to do that.
And they're like, oh, you're so brave, and I was like, huh.
You know, normally in my life, I've been very hesitant
about things that seem different or challenging. You know, It's funny.
I have this whole I'm a travel writer, I'm a
travel expert. I'm on TV about travel, but a lot
of times I get nervous, Mike, am I going to
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miss my plane? Did I pack the right things? People
think that just because you're good at doing something means
it never bothers you. But I think that's really a
mistake that it keeps people from doing what other people
are doing. Is like, oh, they're better at it than me.
Who cares be bad at it? Take an extra suitcase?
What's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
You know, life has certainly opened up for you. Now
you have this podcast that's award winning, You've been on television.
You are a storyteller, and you've been able to share
your journey and to inspire others. How do people find
out more about what you do? Get a copy of
the book, find out about your podcast, tell us all
(25:18):
about that.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
So.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
One way people find me is all across social media.
I'm on with my name Lisa Niver Niver like Diver,
and the book is available everywhere. I just had an
event at the Barnes and Noble here in Los Angeles.
I've had an event in Philadelphia at the Pen Bookstore.
So people have seen me at my events. But I
always recommend to people go into your local bookstore and
(25:41):
ask them to order the book if they don't have it.
It's available through Simon and Schuster, so it's available to
any bookstore to order, and you might find other treasures.
It's always good to support the local bookstore, but you
can find at Barnes and Noble, Amazon, Walmart, Target, and
the podcast the same. Make your own map is on Spotify,
Apple to see iHeart it wherever you find podcasts, you
(26:03):
can search my name Lisa and ivor or make your
own map.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
And then the book, like you said, is called Brave.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Ish And your website is Lisa and Ivan.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Oh, yes, I do have to thank you.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
I do have one website is Lisaaniver dot com my name,
and then I have a travel website that I started
actually in twenty ten, so that's been around a while,
and that's we said, go travel.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I love it. I'll be checking that out as I
embark on my very scary but very exciting trip to
Spain in a couple of weeks and looking forward to it.
You inspired me. People inspire me that just say yes
instead of saying I don't think so, I think I'm
too scared to do it. Well, you know, sometimes you
just have to go for it. You have to step
out on thin air and see what happens, and sometimes
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something magical happens.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
I think magical things will happen for you. And I
also think we need to normalize that being afraid or
being concerned is information and we need to look at
that information and decide how are we going to respond
to it. So, for myself, if I'm traveling like i'm flying,
I don't know if you're flying to Madrid or Barcelona.
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If I'm going to get in late the first night,
I make sure I know how am I going to
travel from the airport to the hotel. Do they have
a car service? Sometimes I change my flight so I
arrive when it's daylight because that makes me feel less nervous.
And so I think those are the things that can
really make a difference. A friend of mine said, you know,
she doesn't when she's traveling. I feel this way sometimes too.
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In a strange city. I don't necessarily want to go
out at night alone. So she books a tour. So
she'll book like a food tour of restaurants or a
city tour at night, and then she's not alone. And
I thought that was really bright.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I love that. All right, I'm taking all of those
suggestions and incorporating them into my trip to Spain. Lisa
and Ivor, I am so delighted to speak with you.
Award winning travel expert author Adventurer, known for her vibrant storytelling,
which you can hear on her podcast Make your Own Map,
and read about in Bravish, her memoir One Breakup, Six Continents,
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and feeling fearless after fifty. You can check her out
at Lisa Niver dot com. Thank you so much, Thank you.
You can listen to all of today's interviews by going
to our station website and typing in keyword Community. You
can also listen on the iHeartRadio app yey Words Philadelphia
Community Podcast. Follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Lorraine Ballard.
I'm Lorraine Ballard morel and I stand for service to
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our community and media that empowers. What will you stand for?
You've been listening to what's going on, and thank you
Good morning, and welcome to What's going on? A show
about making a difference in our lives and our communities.
I'm Lorraine Ballad Marl You say that I'm travel phobic
might be going a little too far, but it is
true that I haven't scheduled a real vacation since my
mini honeymoon almost four years ago. Well, I'm taking the
plunge and going abroad for a whole week. I speak
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to travel guru Lisa Niver, who believes traveling abroad is
not only about going places, but can also be a
tremendous tool for personal growth. First, I've set it over
and over again. If kids don't read at grade level
by fourth grade, they are not likely to graduate from
high school or to go on to higher learning. That's
(00:44):
why it's so important to use all the tools to
help get them to that goal, like Simple Signs. We're
going to be talking about the right to read and
Philly's Simple Signs and to join us to tell us
more about this great tool for helping kids learn to week.
Sarah Novic a best selling novelist, an instructor in deaf
studies in creative writing, and a deaf rights activist. Doctor
(01:08):
Heisang's song as a developmental psychologist and president and CEO
of Mighty Engine, which is a Philly based creative agency
that's behind the campaign. And we also have Sarah Reid,
she is an interpreter. We're going to start with you,
he sung, and we've been talking about Right to Read
and the Alphabet Song and the Freedom School song, how
(01:29):
that's really helping kids learn about phonetics. But there's something
called simple Signs, and I think that people don't understand
how incredibly useful this can be to help kids learn
how to read. So tell us more about that.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So thank you Loraine first of all for inviting us
back to talk about Right to Read Philly. And that's
a summer campaign that's making early literacy a family affair
by making it easier for busy but loving families to
grow strong readers. So one of the things we're piloting
that's fun, eye opening and back by research that families
can do together is simple signs first words in American
(02:06):
sign language. So Sarah's been our chief collaborator, I'd like
to say co conspirator, enshowing that that's what we create
benefits all families, especially families with deaf and heart of
hearing children, and you know what, it's working. So we're
just starting our fourth week of the campaign and we've
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had more than thirty five thousand views of campaign videos.
Now Sarah is much better than I am to tell
you more about simple signs.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Okay, Sarah Novic, let's talk about how simple signs gives
gives us another way to talk to our kids.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Certainly, thank you so much for having us again. So
simple signs in essence, it shows people's signs that signs
work together. That before children are physically able to learn
how to art ticket spoken language, their brain is still
(03:03):
ready and primed to have opinions, but oftentimes they are
not able to express those opinions, so that results in tantrums,
which I'm sure we all are familiar with. But they
do have simple motor skills and with those simple motor skills,
they are able to utilize to provide those opinions via
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sign language. And that can happen very early in age,
sometimes as early as six months children will start using
those basic signs. So we are trying to establish different resources, tools,
materials for families to use to enable them to pick
up their first asl signs and really build that connection
(03:49):
between each other, because yes, it is about building a foundation,
a linguistic foundation, of course, but at the same time,
using these simple signs encourages families to look at each
other and have that eye contact and that connection and
have that family dynamic.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
You Know, what I love about signing is how expressive
it is. Words verbally are obviously very expressive, but when
you add that element of physicality to it, there is
something added to be able to express one's feelings, emotions
sign and people, I think are starting to appreciate this
even more that it's another access to our ability to
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communicate with one another.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Right, absolutely, absolutely, that is the goal. Well, one of
my goals, you know, from my perspective, is just to
help the stigma, help eliminate those stigmas that are around
different forms of communication. Signing in particular is incredibly important,
is an incredibly important resource for everyone, not just deaf
(04:52):
and hard of hearing children, as we know, but also
for hearing children to be able to express themselves freely
and openly anywhere in any modality that they can, with
any community that they connect with. It can be you know,
through a window, if you're in a store, you can
communicate using sign language through a window, you can if
you're in a library a silent area, you can still
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communicate using ASL. So there are many benefits not just
for deaf and heart of hearing children, but for everyone.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You know. I was at I'm on the board of
PHL Diversity, and during that PHL Diversity particular meeting, there
was someone from the School for the Deaf that was
there to talk about We talk about DEI diversity, equity,
and inclusion, but one thing that was added to that
which I learned about is access and belonging. And even
(05:42):
though you know what we're talking about right now is
access to language and ways to help our kids learn
language and be able to have another avenue of expression.
In the end, I think there's something even larger at
play here that as we see ASL become more mainstream,
that more people who are hearing are able to utilize
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it and communicate with it, then that also opens up
that sense of belonging and that sense of access.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Absolutely I agree. I think that any time that we
can break down any barriers and improve that connection with
each other within our communities, that's a win for us.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Fantastic I'm going to get back to you, he sung.
So these simple signs are a tool that all parents
can take advantage of.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Tell us how well.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Before I do that, I do want to give the
mic back to Sarah because this whole creative process has
been such an incredible learning experience for me. One of
the things that I've learned is the need for ASL
among children who are deaf and hard of hearing, and
I wanted to ask Sarah to speak specifically about that
(06:53):
as well as how CIMVIL science is different from baby signs.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
All right, well, what is It's the difference between simple
signs and baby signs? Is there a distinction? Tell us more.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yes, absolutely there is a distinction. So with simple signs,
we are using actual ASL vocabulary, we have support from
the deaf community, we collaborate with the deaf community. Sometimes
with baby signs, it is often focused very specifically on
hearing children as an audience. Oftentimes the teachers are hearing
(07:30):
it is hearing run. They're not teaching full ASL. They're
often teaching incorrect signs, and then they make people pay
for it. On top of that, this is very different.
Simple signs is free. It is an open resource. It
is also focused on supporting deaf and hard of hearing
children because we know that learning ASL early has many
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cognitive benefits for all children, regardless of their hearing stuff.
But at the same time, hearing children in particular, they
often we see that linguistic access with help specifically from
deaf and hard of hearing children. So it's a very
old fashioned perspective within the medical community that the belief
(08:16):
is that to focus only on one language, either spoken
spoken language or sign language is the preferred method, but
there is evidence to support the exact opposite of that.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, we know that bilingualism is very important, that it
really does enhance a child's intellect and ability to navigate
the world. I mean being bilingual not only in different languages, yeah, absolutely,
but in ASL would just be another tool that gives
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children access and his sung You and I know someone
whose child has actually been using simple signs and he
has been hard of hearing, and that has been so
invaluable in his own ability to develop his communication skills.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Right, absolutely, I mean we see it all the time,
and with the family that you mentioned that it really
was a springboard for this family to make the essential
connections that we know are the building blocks for all
early learning. And we also are hearing from the social
media posts that we're getting in the community feedback that
how overdo this was the attention on sign language for
(09:28):
all kids and especially for deaf and heart of hearing
children in the same way that we tap black pedagogy
with the Freedom School's Alphabet song. There's very much an
activist zeal and all that we do for Write to
Read Philly. We have much to learn from other cultures,
including deaf culture and black culture, and we're trying to
bring those to the four so that all our kids
(09:49):
can benefit from it. I do want to give folks
a way to learn more about the campaign.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
So if you go to.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Write to Read Philly dot org and it's the number
two write to Read Philly dot com work, you can
access a ton of videos that Sarah helped us create
with Philly families and Philly reading advocates. And what's great
is that, like she was saying, it's not just words
like more that's probably the most popularized sign in baby sign.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
We provide words for.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
More what you know, because if you just say more
and more and more, they're still frustrated, right, but more milk,
or more hugs or more books. So we give children
the way to complete a thought using simple signs. We're
really hoping that we live up to write to the
right to read Philly goal, which is to truly make
it easy for our busy and loving families to engage.
(10:41):
So please check out the website and all the videos.
There's a ton of helpful tips, more fun ideas, and
information specifically for families with deaf and hard of hearing children.
Do not let this opportunity pass you by. Try signing
with a child you love and you will see the
benefits of it, but also learn more about the epidemic
(11:02):
of language deprivation for death and heart of hearings. Nearly
eighty percent of loose children crazily are not accessing asl
right now.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
And follow us.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I know it's a little confusing, but follow us on
Instagram at right to read Philly It's not the sign,
it's the preposition too, and not to write to read
Philly on Instagram. And also, if you post your your
family's unique spin on simple science, you have a chance
to win one thousand dollars. The contest runs till the
end of the summer August thirty first. We also just
(11:32):
posted a new simple Sign challenge yesterday, so post your
creative video interpretation of simple science no h limit.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Winner is awarded two hundred and.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Fifty dollars and if you'd like to partner with us
any organization out there, we want to hear from you
email Write to Read phillyat gmail dot com. A gigantic
thanks to campaign advisors Philly Families who helped us co
create Write to Read Philly, but also supporters like Lorraine
and iHeartMedia. Thank you so much because we know together
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we can protect our children's right to read.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And also I just want to ask Sarah Sarah just
to remind folks her novel True Biz was the twenty
twenty four to one Book one Philadelphia selection by the
Free Library of Philadelphia. And if people would like to
know more about how they can get their hands on
this novel, True Biz, or find out more about you
(12:27):
and follow you, how do they do that? What are
some ways in which we can connect with you?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
True Biz is available now everywhere at all libraries within
the city of Philadelphia, also at all all local bookstores
as well. You can find me on social media. I'm
Sarahnoviitch dot com. It's an obic yes, well, to be honest,
both work just as a little secret there to let
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you know doctor song.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
But yes.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Also on Instagram, i am at photo no and it's
photo n ov i C So please follow me there.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Thank you, Loraine, You're welcome. And Sarah, I'm going to
give you the last word. So what would be your okay,
the most important message that you'd like our listeners to
hear from you?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Oh my goodness, all right. What I really want to
see in the future vision is just where children can
communicate freely and openly, doesn't matter if you are deaf,
hard of hearing, hearing where we are all working collaboratively
towards that goal. And I think that is in part
(13:38):
due to the resources that we offer at Simple Signs.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Okay, Well, that's a great way to leave it, and
I want to thank you all for joining us. Sarah
Novic best selling novelists, an instructor and deaf studies in
Creative writing, and a deaf rights activist, the author of
True Biz, the twenty twenty four to one book one
Philadelphia Selection. She is a consultant on the Right to
Read campaign. Doctor he Sung Song is a developmental psychologist
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and president and CEO of Mighty Engine, which is the
engine behind this wonderful campaign. And Sarah Read. She is
the interpreter and has done a wonderful job. And for
those of you who are checking this out, Simple signs
a great way to get your kids the early language
learning tool that can be so helpful not only for
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kids who are hard of hearing and death, but also
kids who are fully hearing. It's a wonderful way to
get them engaged in communication and language from a very
early age. So thanks all for joining us today.
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You're listening to what's going on. I am now going
to reveal something very personal about myself, and that is
that I have a fear of traveling. Now, this fear
of traveling has kept me from doing the kind of
traveling that I've always wanted to do. But I broke
that terrible habit of mine of avoiding travel and I
(17:44):
actually booked a vacation to Spain. And so it's so
appropriate that today I'm going to be speaking with a
world traveler. Her name is Lisa Niver. She has written
a memoir called Bravish One Breakup, Six Continents and Feeling
Fearless after fifty I can so identify with that. And
also she is the host of an award winning podcast
(18:05):
called Make your Own Map. Well, Lisa, boy, this is
really on time because I literally pushed the button to
click and make it all happen last week. So Bravish,
I guess I feel like I am a little bit bravish,
but you, in fact are an award winning travel expert
and author and adventurer, and you wrote a book that
has a title that I totally identify with. So tell
(18:26):
us more about how this came to be.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
I'm so honored to be here speaking with you, and
I am really so thrilled for you that you're going
to Spain. You're going to have the best time. Yes,
my book it came about bravish.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
It's funny.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
I get a lot of pushback on the title that
my best friend and my mom are like, you're not bravish,
you're brave. And I think the title really speaks to
people that we all have fears. Most of us want
something like you always wanted to travel more, maybe someone
wants to change their job. And I think bravesh really
speaks to people that you could try something. It's hard
(19:06):
as adults to do something new and not feel competent.
You know, we're not used to feeling uncertain, you know,
like am I going to be able to read the
signs to find my train in Madrid? Or you know,
will I get in the right airport line? Will will
I make it? And that fear keeps us from doing stuff,
And for myself, when I was getting divorced and starting
my life again. I felt so ashamed and embarrassed. It
(19:29):
was so traumatic. And that's how I started doing these challenges,
which is the bulk of the book. I did fifty
dares before I turned fifty.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Wow. Well, you know that's the thing that sometimes we
get stuck in a rut. We're used to our routine.
For me, I have a job that I love. I
could work, you know, till I drop. But I have
come to realize that there is more to life than work.
As much as I love my work, and the travel
(19:57):
is a very unique way of taking yourself out of
your comfort zone right and opening up a possibility that
perhaps you weren't aware of before. Tell us what it
is about travel and putting yourself in these situations that
are so unfamiliar that can really open up your heart
and your soul and your life.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
It's such a good point.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
I think that for me, being in a new place,
you have the opportunity to reimagine yourself. You know, when
you go to the same coffee shop and you go
to the same restaurant, and you do the same thing
all the time. When I was getting divorced, someone said
to me, you can't do something new in an old way,
and it gives you the opportunity to stretch, even if
(20:41):
you aren't ready to go to another continent like you
are go to Spain. If you commute home, I mean
a lot of people don't travel for work anymore. But
if you are commuting and you literally drive on a
different street, it can make a difference to your brain
that you're doing something new and you might find out
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that one street over from the way you normally go.
Or if you're on the subway and you get off
one stop earlier and walk around and go to a
different restaurant, who knows.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
You might sit next to someone, or you might try
a food you never tried.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
You might go to a Vietnamese restaurant and decide, oh,
my gosh, I'm going to go to Vietnam. That it
gives you the opportunity to reconfigure your brain and your
neurons and your ideas. But the driving homeworks. The other
thing I always tell people is you don't have to
get on a plane to have an adventure in your
home city. I always recommend people take a cooking class.
It's very low entry to trying something new, especially you
(21:38):
know you love Italian food, take Italian class, or you
love sushi, take a sushi rolling class.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
They're not that expensive.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
You get to eat, and generally you meet people like
everybody's having fun and talking and it's something everybody, for
the most.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Part's pretty good at. Everybody eats.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So it has been proven from a research standpoint that
doing something new, whether it's every day or every week
or once a year or whatever, whatever it is that
you decide to do that's new that you've never done before,
does open up your neural pathways and they allow you
to think differently and to open up your idea of
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what is possible. I remember reading about Shonda Rhimes and
she wrote this wonderful book called The Year of Saying Yes.
And she is someone who, believe it or not, is
very shy, and I can say that for me too,
that I'm a little bit on the shy side. But
I find that when I decide to say yes for
things that scare me to death, like going to Spain,
(22:37):
for instance, that a whole bunch of things open up.
And it is really about opening up your life to possibility.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
I love that you brought up her book because that book,
The Year of Yes is one of the reasons that
I did my project.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
I didn't think I could do it.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
And so that book and then your friend lu Ane
Cohn's book, Yes, I Dare Me. She did three one
hundred and sixty five things, and I was going to
considering doing.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Fifty things, and I was like, I can't do fifty.
I can't do fifty.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
And my friend told me, you know, it's only one
a week, and Luanne did one every day.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
She did. I did some of those with her. As
a matter of fact, you did, I did. Well. Let
me ask you this. So, having done what you've done,
maybe it wasn't every day, but you did travel to
one hundred countries, and you've done a lot, a lot
of things that perhaps you hadn't thought of doing before
you embarked on this journey. What has it done for you?
How has it changed you?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
You know? The most incredible thing is it really did
change me. One of the things I noticed when a
little bit I noticed going through doing the fifty things,
but much more I noticed writing the book about doing
the fifty things was that initially, no matter what the
challenge was, I said, no, someone would recommend something and
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I'm like, absolutely, not. I'm scared. I don't like it
on the afraid bad things happen to me. No, And
then most of the time someone would say, isn't that
the whole point of your project? And I said, please,
don't use my words against me. But as I got
towards the end, and certainly after the whole fifty things process,
(24:16):
someone recommended something to me and I didn't hesitate. I
was like, oh my god, I definitely want to do that.
And they're like, oh, you're so brave, and I was like, huh.
You know, normally in my life, I've been very hesitant
about things that seem different or challenging. You know, It's funny.
I have this whole I'm a travel writer, I'm a
travel expert. I'm on TV about travel, but a lot
of times I get nervous, Mike, am I going to
(24:38):
miss my plane? Did I pack the right things? People
think that just because you're good at doing something means
it never bothers you. But I think that's really a
mistake that it keeps people from doing what other people
are doing. Is like, oh, they're better at it than me.
Who cares be bad at it? Take an extra suitcase?
What's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
You know, life has certainly opened up for you. Now
you have this podcast that's award winning, You've been on television.
You are a storyteller, and you've been able to share
your journey and to inspire others. How do people find
out more about what you do? Get a copy of
the book, find out about your podcast, tell us all
(25:18):
about that.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
So.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
One way people find me is all across social media.
I'm on with my name Lisa Niver Niver like Diver,
and the book is available everywhere. I just had an
event at the Barnes and Noble here in Los Angeles.
I've had an event in Philadelphia at the Pen Bookstore.
So people have seen me at my events. But I
always recommend to people go into your local bookstore and
(25:41):
ask them to order the book if they don't have it.
It's available through Simon and Schuster, so it's available to
any bookstore to order, and you might find other treasures.
It's always good to support the local bookstore, but you
can find at Barnes and Noble, Amazon, Walmart, Target, and
the podcast the same. Make your own map is on Spotify,
Apple to see iHeart it wherever you find podcasts, you
(26:03):
can search my name Lisa and ivor or make your
own map.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
And then the book, like you said, is called Brave.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Ish And your website is Lisa and Ivan.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Oh, yes, I do have to thank you.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
I do have one website is Lisaaniver dot com my name,
and then I have a travel website that I started
actually in twenty ten, so that's been around a while,
and that's we said, go travel.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I love it. I'll be checking that out as I
embark on my very scary but very exciting trip to
Spain in a couple of weeks and looking forward to it.
You inspired me. People inspire me that just say yes
instead of saying I don't think so, I think I'm
too scared to do it. Well, you know, sometimes you
just have to go for it. You have to step
out on thin air and see what happens, and sometimes
(26:48):
something magical happens.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
I think magical things will happen for you. And I
also think we need to normalize that being afraid or
being concerned is information and we need to look at
that information and decide how are we going to respond
to it. So, for myself, if I'm traveling like i'm flying,
I don't know if you're flying to Madrid or Barcelona.
(27:11):
If I'm going to get in late the first night,
I make sure I know how am I going to
travel from the airport to the hotel. Do they have
a car service? Sometimes I change my flight so I
arrive when it's daylight because that makes me feel less nervous.
And so I think those are the things that can
really make a difference. A friend of mine said, you know,
she doesn't when she's traveling. I feel this way sometimes too.
(27:32):
In a strange city. I don't necessarily want to go
out at night alone. So she books a tour. So
she'll book like a food tour of restaurants or a
city tour at night, and then she's not alone. And
I thought that was really bright.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I love that. All right, I'm taking all of those
suggestions and incorporating them into my trip to Spain. Lisa
and Ivor, I am so delighted to speak with you.
Award winning travel expert author Adventurer, known for her vibrant storytelling,
which you can hear on her podcast Make your Own Map,
and read about in Bravish, her memoir One Breakup, Six Continents,
(28:05):
and feeling fearless after fifty. You can check her out
at Lisa Niver dot com. Thank you so much, Thank you.
You can listen to all of today's interviews by going
to our station website and typing in keyword Community. You
can also listen on the iHeartRadio app yey Words Philadelphia
Community Podcast. Follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Lorraine Ballard.
I'm Lorraine Ballard morel and I stand for service to
(28:27):
our community and media that empowers. What will you stand for?
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