Swing It & Ding It: Episode 221

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Speaker 2 (00:24):
I just got to get out there and swing and
ding it.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yeah, you know, just guess it's going to go out
there and try to swing it and ding it.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
All right, welcome in to swing it and ding it.

Speaker 5 (00:34):
And iHeartMedia podcast. This is Moose along with May's and
Matthews on.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
This post Players week.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
What an event, a little bit of drama, a lot
of drama, and we are fortunate to be joined by
someone who, in my opinion, there's a lot of obviously,
in today's world and social media and YouTube.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
There's a lot of instruction and videos and products.

Speaker 5 (00:58):
But to me, there's one person and that cuts through
all of that noise, someone who always stands out, someone
who I enjoy following and listening to.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Is a very calm demeanor in tone. I think I
would love to be coached by this person.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
But of course we're talking about Martin Chuck, PGA Master professional,
golf instructor, inventor. I mean we could go on and
on here, Martin. I mean, you've done it all in
the world of golf already.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Well, you know, I got to be honest, like the
I can't take the what is it, the stolen valar,
I can't be the master professional is I don't know.
I've spent my time, but you got to kind of
earn that through the PGA. And I didn't sign up
for that course do that. So Martin Chuck golf coach,
PGA member. But I'm not a master professional. Now some
people might think I am. I tell my wife I

(01:43):
am every day and she she argues with me. She said, no,
you're not go do the dishes. I'm like, well, baby,
I'm fairly well known golf coach and she says, no dishes.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Okay, Well, it's whatever we call it.

Speaker 6 (01:55):
It's it's a master professional in swinging and terms swinging.

Speaker 7 (02:00):
Thank you America for the.

Speaker 8 (02:03):
Same podcast you are.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yeah, we annoint you that. Yeah, thank you absolutely. So
let's let's we always we always like to talk about
the golf journey.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
Yeah, and I'm curious to learn a lot of the
different things and when things kind of change for you,
but obviously from from Canada, talk talk about like when
that golf bug bit you and and how think how
you decided or eventually.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Decided that you were going to be in the game
of golf as a career, as a as a forever,
as a forever.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
I'm gonna say maybe ten to eleven is when I
was like, man, I really love this, Like I absolutely
love this. So I was a little kid, I was
My dad started golf and he's probably forty five ish
and or younger than that, forty two ish, and I
was like, where are you going on Saturday mornings all
of a sudden, because he was pretty much a week
and he'd be at home, you know, we go to

(02:54):
hockey games on the weekends. You take my brothers and
I over hockey games and stuff. And then summer progresses
and he's playing golf. Like what So him and him
and his brother and my uncle started playing golf, and
that was you know, wanted to be a part of that.
So my little cousin and I he would take us
too this golf course that had a like a little
it was like a field, but it was a part

(03:15):
three little field. And he goes smashing around all day
while they're playing golf. And then one day I broke
up the window in the school yard hit it over
a neighbor's fence, and I didn't really know if he
kind of made contact how far a ball would go.
And I hit one, I like freaked out and went
over this fence. And this neighbor had like a backyard
like mister Miyagi, like he took care of his yard.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
It was his thing.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
And so I'm standing there, this ball breaks this small window.
He's there, I'm, you know, fifty yards away from my
kind of ran I'm thinking, should I run?

Speaker 2 (03:45):
What do I do? Anyway, I walk over. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
So we walked to my house two blocks away. I
always walked to my house to the left of my
house in the garage door kind of thing, mud room,
and never to my front steps to walk up. He
rings the doorbell and I'm like freaked right out, and
my dad comes to the door, Hey, fellas, what's up?

Speaker 2 (04:04):
And I go, I'm just you know, quiet. He goes, well,
your son did a golf ball and broke a window.
My Dad's like, really, how far do you hit it? So,
you know, that was like a positive vibe from that,
and I'm.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Like, yeah, Dad, I hit a good one and it
went really followed, it blushed it, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
So that could have went the other way. He must
have played good that day.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
I know he was.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
My dad was great.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
He was always super supportive, and you know, he got
me into a little junior golf lessons which led to
me meeting my mentors.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Just crazy lucky circumstances, you know.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Supportive dad, supportive mom. This George Newtson like a Canadian legend,
deciding he's going to start like a junior golf development thing.
And this by this time of like eleven when I
find this out, and so it's, you know, this crazy opportunity.
I make this development program because there's like a couple

(04:56):
hundred kids want to be a part of it. And
I worked my tail off at to type little letters,
typed them up. I have him in a file somewhere,
just you know, dedicated, I'm gonna be how hard I'm
gonna work blah blah blah. Anyway, Basically, what it came
down to is he took all the youngest kids that
were interested, and I was one of the youngest kids
interested because he felt, you know, he felt like, you know,
if you got him younger, you could help them all.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
And he did.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
And I mean all those kids had stuck with it
and got scholarships to play US golf, which was a
big deal from Toronto.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Big deal.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, I know, I just had the bug and I
loved it. I love hockey too, played hockey all my life.
I still play near league beer League till recently and
had to hang up. Had a retirement ceremony from my
Beer League jersey number recently, hanging in the It was emotional.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
It was emotional.

Speaker 6 (05:41):
Oh yeah, Martin, you mentioned mentors along the way. Can
you add any color to that, talk about like who
your mentors were and how that.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Kind of shaped your Yeah, so George Newtson was my mentor.
You know, he was Captain Kennedy one eight times in
the PGA Tour. It'd be like modern day Mike Weir,
who's one eight times in the BGA Tour, de setting
that he's going to do a junior golf program. So,
you know, just a great a great time. And he
was a no nonsense coach, like there was no hey
way to go out of boys there.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
You know, there wasn't much of that it was.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
More like, let's get to work and this is kind
of what's expected of you, and it was.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
I loved him. He was a great guy. Passed away.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Unfortunately when I was nineteen, I went to college. He
passed away, I want to say in eighty nine, and
yeah eighty nine wasn't eighty Yeah, something like that, and
it was it was passed. He passed away at fifty
one years old, so pretty darn young. I'm fifty six now.
I can't believe that I'm older than him, Like in
my mind, I'll never be I'll never be.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Older than him, you know what I mean. Crazy. I
thought he was a great guy and he didn't have.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
To do what he did, but he he did.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
An awesome job.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
And I think when I look back on it, now,
you're starting to see a lot of Canadians do really
well on the PGA tour.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Well.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Now, they have a really cool golf development program where
they take the best, the best local kids and then
they do a provincial program, then they do national program
and that's where you're seeing Mackenzie Hugheses and Corey Connors
and you know Nick Taylor, a kid that I coached
for a couple of years. You know, you're seeing these
kids really pop because they're getting they're getting encouraged and

(07:15):
developed as young kids, and they're getting opportunities to play
golf when it's snowing and they play against the best
US kids. And you know, there's a lot of neat
things happening in these smaller countries with this golf programs.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
So what's hard about the US now?

Speaker 3 (07:28):
It's so big and it's hard to say, Okay, Florida,
give me your best two kids. Okay, California give me
your best too. Okay, Texas, you know what I mean, Like,
I mean, you could do it, but they almost sort
of in the US can they kind of do it anyway,
you know, like the kids get in those areas develop
up pretty darn good. But man, would be really cool
to see a US national development program. Would be neat,

(07:51):
but it'd be it's such a huge country with so
much going on to be tricky.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, any interaction with the Great mo Norman coming up
a lot.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Actually, you know what.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
You know, when I was a little kid, I went
to this when my dad sent my cousin and I
to a junior golf camp north of Toronto, and it
was in Lake Simcoe, Ontario, a little town, Simco, Ontario,
and it wasn't too far from Toronto.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
And so we go to the sleepover camp.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Which is cool, and then there's this guy there practicing
on the other end of the range, like every day
all day that we're there. And it's like I'm looking
at him and in the morning and you know, it's
far away hitting balls, and when we come back later
and play a hole later, he's over there. He's guy's
hitting balls all day. So I asked the coach, I said,
who's that guy? And he goes to me, he goes,

(08:37):
that's the best ball striker that ever lived. So I'm
a ten year old or eleven year old at this
camp and I'm like, there's no way that in this
weird little piece of Ontario, at this little muni course
at the back of this funky range that's mildy, disheveled.
Here's a disheveled guy who's the best ball striker that
ever lived. I'm like doing the math of my ten

(08:58):
year old head because I I knew it couldn't be
that guy, and it turned out to be that guy.
It was crazy, it was, you know. So we got
to meet him, and then to be it was meant
to be. And then it's like you're pretty much realize
that you're talking to a special guy in his skill
set and also like a mildly different guy and is
whatever level of autism or some sort of different personality

(09:21):
item he had he had something to where I got
to know him young, and so I was always like
a friendly kid to him, and so as I got
older and he'd see me around, he was always you know,
friendly to me. And he wasn't not that he wasn't friendly,
but he wouldn't. He wasn't like necessarily personal to you
unless he felt, you know, akin to you somehow. And

(09:42):
so that little camp situation and the reason we got
to kind of know him was at the end of
that you know, sleepover camp Monday to Friday. The friday,
the coach says, hey, we got a special.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Opportunity for you.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Most going to hit golf balls, and so, you know,
parents pick up day, there's mol Norman and Most hit
balls for us, and we're like, oh my gosh, like
this guy doesn't miss and the sound when he hit
it was nothing like my father, you know, or nothing
like some club pro that was around who could you know,
pit it pretty good because this guy literally hit it
on the button where he was looking every time like unbelievable,

(10:17):
and so you know, you look at it modern day
tour player. People said, why didn't you win all the time,
And I'd say, well, when you compare him to George
Newtson okay, who won eight times in the tour, George
had a personality type that could handle the kind of
doggy dog mentality of a tour event. I mean, everybody's
friendly out there, like you know, Daniel, your husband plays right, yes, right,

(10:39):
So I mean everybody's friendly, but everybody wants to stomp
on you.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Let's be honest. I'm nice to you, but I want
to beat your brains in.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
It's it's not about you know, I'm not necessarily going
to be this warm, cuddly creature.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
If I see you out there, I'm like, hey, bro,
how you doing? Good luck today?

Speaker 3 (10:54):
In the meantime, I'm like, I can't wait to beat
your head in today. Sorry, maybe that's my hockey background.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's the fact.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
At the end, I'm going to shake your hand if
you beat me. Great, nice playing, If I played poor whatever,
I know you're just quote playing the course whatever. But
you're you're not you know, nobody's there to kind of
support Mo when he went to the US to play
golf that they're not there to support him.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
He's a threat.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
He's really good, Okay, so nobody's gonna be like, Okay, Miley,
autistic man, let's support you and prop you up while
you take our money out of our pockets and beat us.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
No, you know what I mean, it's not happening.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
But in Canada he was like a national treasure, and
so he was a bit more supportive, and he had
a supportive cast that kind of traveled a tour with him,
that kind of took care of him a little bit,
and so he was more comfortable playing Canada. On the
Canadian tour, he wanted a bunch of times. I mean,
the guy could shoot nothing, you know what I mean.
And so you need a special You need every bit

(11:51):
working for you to play the US tour, every bit,
supportive cast, a strong self belief, massive skills. It's unbelievaball
to play at the level of a PGA Tour player,
like I unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
So talk about right you're you're playing Obviously you had
you know, you had your own playing career. But when
did instruction kind of start creeping in?

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Right?

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Was it something you always gravitated towards as a player,
And then you know when did when did the student
become the teacher?

Speaker 4 (12:17):
When did you realize that that was the path for you.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
So when I was sixteen, Georgia Nuts and he started
his own driving range in Button Voluntario. So Button Militario
is this nice little suburb north of the city. And
it was a private driving range, meaning you had to
be a member of the range to go ahead balls there.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
It wasn't expensive.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
He just tried to keep the you know, the cut
off jeans and tank tops out of the off the range.
So if you were hitting, if you were hitting balls there,
you know, you're vetted, so to speak. And then he
had his little minions like me, and there's a handful
of us that we were there to walk the range
like they would. When you join this range, you'd go
through this Georgia Nuts and seminar. Okay, here's how you

(12:54):
put your hands on it, here's the general emotions, here's.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Why a ball fades, all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
And so then you know, we would sell hot dogs
and hand out baskets, range balls, but we would also
walk the range, so you know, you can be damn
sure if I saw somebody as cute as Danielle there. Okay,
I'm going to make sure that you have all your
questions answered. Dear Okay, how they get YouTube dudes? Sorry,
you did all right? I thought it was good. Let
me know if you have a question. So I'd walk

(13:20):
the range, and if somebody was struggling, you know, i'd
fixed scripts or whatever and then maybe talk about alignment.
And he had these cool This range was really cool
because he had these columns set up there and so
that you could all kinds of things to aim at
and shape your ball toward. And it was a fun environment.
So at sixteen, you know, i'd walk the range. I
got paid to teach an hourly rate, so I wasn't

(13:42):
quote a professional, but I loved it and it was
It was a good personality thing too, you know, just
ask people how they're doing, help them with their game,
demonstrate a little bit.

Speaker 7 (13:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
It was naturally a bit of a show off, so
it was kind of fun. And then, yeah, I just
loved it, and then played college golf in New Mexico State.
I got my Canadian Tour card right away. But much
like my cup of coffee, that was my length of.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
My pro career. It's just like, you know, I was good,
but I wasn't good enough, you know.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
And then it was you know, George passed away when
I was in college, and you know, I wish he
was alive to kind of kick me in the ass
and kind of steer me down the road a professional golf.
But through that time I was trying to get a
new coach. And I'll tell you what's really hard is
finding a coach. It really is like I get called
all the time by great young dudes and young ladies. Hey, Martin,

(14:31):
I like your style. You know, is there a possibility
of coaching me? And I've got to be honest with you.
I say, sorry, you know I have this is my
niche Now I teach, I teach. I'm going in soon
to teach fifteen not so fresh faces how to play
PETTERI at golf. You know why because my kid I
always joke, I say, I love people with time and money.

(14:52):
So these people are lovely, they're great. They're going to
be between fifty and seventy five year old people. They're gon,
We're gonna have a blast together for three days. They're
going to be steep over the top slicers. I'm gonna
help them get their face a little stronger, understand how
to get.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
The club and the ball better.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
They're gonna go back to their country club in Florida
where were they flew in from, and hit it a
little better. And you know what, it's it's fun. It's easy.
I'm not chewing my fingernails off hoping my guy makes
the cut this week because his wife is just screaming
at him because he hasn't made a cut in three weeks.
I mean, like teaching tour players. I'm sorry, it's as

(15:29):
hard as hell. The technique isn't hard. Hitting the golf
ball is not hard.

Speaker 9 (15:34):
It's the whole mechanisms, oh my god, the whole mechanism
of every week, new course, my caddy, my all the
elements that come into it.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
And you're the and you're trying to be this commi
mechanism as a coach to say, hey, listen, man, it's
one shot at a time.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
You're gonna have your good weeks and your bad weeks
and all the.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
While, you know, on a tour event, there's other coaches
being like, wow, you know, if izer coach I tell
you what I've I tell you to do those in meantime,
you know, you've already flown home. And then some coaches like, wow, dude,
I can't believe Martin's telling you that it's not what.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
I tell you.

Speaker 7 (16:09):
I mean, yeah, it sounds like you haven't figured out.
You know, you're in one location.

Speaker 6 (16:15):
They're coming to you, they're less needy, You're not getting
those texts of your swings on you know, Wednesday evenings.

Speaker 7 (16:21):
Yeah, it sounds like you have figured it out.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
You know.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
I still you know, I love it when a good
player sends like when I say good play, like a
super high level player sends me a video or something,
I'm like, brother, you know, you're really good.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
You know. You know when I look at this, I'll say,
do I see something? Possibly? Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (16:40):
And you can consider this, And then it always comes
back to a really good player. They're there for a reason.
They're really good, you know, and oftentimes you're not teaching
them something new. You're giving them like permission to have
a feeling that they've already had into and to run
with it.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
But in bottom line, it's belief, man, do you believe
or not? And so it's like, here's can you believe
that you can hit a ball from A to B?
And if you can't, nobody died. It's okay, and go
find it. Half the time you're lucky, Let's be honest,
everybody misses, you know what I mean, You're gonna.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Find the damn ball.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Hopefully if you're lucky, it's not under a tree, and
you can punch it through the pine straw and hit
a chip to four feet, make a power and move on.
And then maybe you get in a little rhythm of
four or five good holes and you make a birdy
or two. Then you hit another crappy shot, and if
you're lucky, you get to hit it again by the
green in a bunker. You get it up and down
and you keep the progress of a good roundgoing.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
So, yeah, well, Martin, you've developed one of the most
well known training aids in the game. But I'm not
going to steal Harry's thunder because he's been waiting to
talk to you about this, so I'll just tee him
up for that for when he asked the next question.
But with the massive following that you've built through your instruction,
maybe you can help our audience out with seeing maybe

(17:59):
one of them those you know, the clearest or biggest
mistakes that you see amateurs making while they're practicing.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
So one, if you're gonna hit balls, like have a
put a stick down, like at least know where you're going.
I'm gonna tell you what when I see club golfers
hitting golf balls and they don't have this stick down
to kind of check their sights as they kind of
pivot their head up to look at a target. At
a minimum, you know, you train yourself to walk into

(18:28):
a golf ball. Like at my golf school, I'm a
routine fanatic. Like to me, everything about golf is a routine.
It brings peace. You walk into the shot, you aim
in the face, you take a look, you sit your feet,
you take a look at waggle wagglet you go. So
there's like this calming mechanism of routine and aim, and
that to me is the brings you into the moment.

(18:49):
Because golf always joke with people, I go, what makes
golf hard? And they look at me like, well, there's
a lot involved and blah, blah blah, and I go, No,
golf is a shot. You hit one shot at eight o'clock,
we te off as a five. Okay, we all say,
we all had great drives, we're all helium chested, and
we walk off.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
The tee and away we go.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Okay, we don't hit our second shot till eight oh
six or eight oh five.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
We don't hit our third shot till eight ten.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
May then we put a couple times, and then we
may go to a par three and hit an iron shot,
and then we go to this par five with a
tough t ball, So we don't even hit our second driver,
maybe for twenty five minutes.

Speaker 7 (19:23):
So can you.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Recognize that the athletic event of golf takes one minute?

Speaker 2 (19:29):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
All your strokes are made up in one second, Like
there's one second swing, so it's all there are one
point two if you're really slow, So you take thirty
thirty five of these things, it's under one minute. What
do you do with all the other time that is
between those one second events?

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (19:44):
And how do you calm yourself into a shot, Choose
a target, live with yourself, hit it good, bad, or indifferent?
Because let's be honest, that's what you're going to get
and then you know, accept it, move on and do
it again. So I would say to you that the
new golfer, if they could get into the sense of routine,
like how to walk into a golf ball nicely, the

(20:05):
differentiator Tiger Woods, Jack Nicholas. The best players realized that
they have a mechanism that takes them from being scatterbrains
to focus for that you know, it's one seconds the
athletic event, but for their eight second, ten second, twelve
second routine. So I'm a big freak on how somebody
calms themselves into a golf shot.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's what I That's what I did.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Martin just described the first three holes at the nineteen
twelve club for me perfectly.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
There you go.

Speaker 7 (20:36):
But the alignment stick.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
It's great though, because that was something that I've always
struggled with, like I'll get, you know, over the ball, and.

Speaker 7 (20:43):
Whoever I'm playing was where are you aiming? I'm right there.

Speaker 6 (20:45):
They're like, no, you're not, and they'll put an align
and stick by my feet and I look and I'm
way left or way right. So the alignment stick has
been something that's helped me so much. I just wish
I could lay it down on the course, right.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
But you know, the thing is, when you practice with
it enough, Daniel, the fact is you know, and you
know Harry and Moose, when you look, when you start look,
you'll see it there. It gets there. It's not there,
but it's there. Right, So you walk into it and
you do these reps, and all of a sudden you
see these players that aim all over the place get
pretty functional at how they aim. Their face, take a look,

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set their feet, take a look, and then they're in
this reasonable aim. It doesn't that'd be perfect. It just
has to be enough for your subconscious not to trip out, Okay,
because I always say, golf is this conscious subconscious thing.
And if you if you're giving your subconscious way too
much to do to fix your conscious idiocy, you're gonna

(21:37):
play golf poorly. So if you're taking away the conscious
idiocy so the subconscious can say, hey, well, hey Moose,
I'm proud of you todaybody, you're aiming nicely. Way to go,
you know, Oh, Moose, your grips on really well, you
know you're not You're not making the person back there
and the sticks do too much in the one second
event to save this shot, because every golf is this

(21:57):
random save. It's always it's always that, and the better
you get, the less saving you have to make, and
the more you can just feel like, man, there's not
a ton going on that's that's taken away from this
potential outcome being positive.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Well, I don't know, I don't know if you get
all the credit for this, but I'm giving it to
you today because I own two of these these tour
striker Thank you, thank you, And I see you came
out with the sleeve now, which I think is even
more genius. Well you sort of strap it onto the sleeve,
but this thing has helped immeasurably for chipping especially, so

(22:32):
thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Glad you like it. Yeah, you know, it's one of
those silly things.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
We came up with that years and years ago, and
it was nobody really bought one for a couple of years,
and then this neat British dude justin Rose started using
it all the time, and then people started buying it,
and then Rory bought one.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
And look out, it broke my broke my website and.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
It's been and then the sleeve's cool because it you know,
the ball can click on the sleeve, but other things
click on that too, so you'll start to see other
little things kind of click into that holder as time
goes on.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
And that was the purpose of it.

Speaker 8 (23:03):
Yeah, great, great idea, genius.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Thanks, So when when did that happen for you?

Speaker 5 (23:07):
Right you start you're teaching, you're instructing. What was the
first thing that you thought there could be something here
that could help people? And how did that process work
from that idea to literally getting something in your hands
that you can get to people.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
So when I was twenty, oh gosh, I was playing
on the Canadian tour and I liked the swing fan.
You remember that white thing with the blades on it
that you could warm up with it look was meant
for baseball. It was like this white bladed thing. You
pop it on a baseball bat and you swung it
and stretched you out of it. And I kind of
liked it because there was one of the rains at
the National and I could swing it a bit and

(23:40):
loosen me up real quick.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
And I bet you couldn't travel with it because it's
kind of big.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
And then I thought, I'm going to make a smaller one,
so I kind of went and when I was a
young man, I went and went to an industrial designer
and made this thing that you could just kind of
clip on your golf club at fanned around the shaft
and you could take it off fold and put it
inside of the bay. And it worked. But it was
I didn't have the money. I didn't have to know
how to get it done. And back then there was

(24:05):
no internet really either, like there was, but it wasn't
like you could, you know, make a little website and
then market to the world.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Back then, you'd have to put.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Some ad in a magazine or you have to you'd
have to pre sell it to some massive golf shop
or just.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Someplace like that.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
So there was a lot of headwinded being successful. But
that took a lot of capital. And then as things progressed,
you know then when there's of the internet right like,
you can you can sell anything now and you can
be your own.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Little media company.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
So in my situation, you know, you say early on
in the intro, thank you.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
You make me blush.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
But you know, through through being able to talk and
just and talk about golf, now people go, oh, this
guy seems like he knows what he's doing he's got
a gizmo. Gizmo looks helpful. I'll give it a try.
So that's been the neat thing. Like what's great about
the Internet is you can do that and then obviously
you can argue about everything under the sun on the
that too, So it's good and bad from it, right,

(25:02):
absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 6 (25:05):
Now you mentioned there's going to be a lot of
different add ons to that sleeve. So you know, if
Harry's wife is listening, let her know what she can
get him for Christmas coming up.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Yeah, so this sleeve it's you know, kitchen utensils click
right in. So when you're making your business doing dishes,
when you're amen, it's not just a golf gizmo now,
it's it's multifaceted, terrific.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Well, you know, you touched on this earlier and I
think you kind of answered my question. It sounds like
coaching tour pros is more being a psychologist or a
psychiatrist than golf instructor.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Oh you know what I mean. So Nick Taylor, there's
a great kid. So you know, he coached him for
a couple of years right when he got out of
college and he was it's not when he came to me.
He was the number one amateur in the world. Okay,
so it's not like it's not like he was a
broken golfer. He was an awesome golfer. But the simple

(26:02):
part of coaching them was, hey, your ballflight. You hit
it really good, you kind of hit it where you're aiming,
but it doesn't your golf ball.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Doesn't do what the top golfers do.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
In other words, at the time, I remember Justin Rose
was playing really well, so his track Man data suggested
that he hit it higher and the ball stopped quicker.
So I'm looking at you know, Nick Taylor's flight, and
he hit it solid, but he launched it low and
his landing angles were shallow. So it was like, all right, buddy,
you want to play high level golf that isn't whipping

(26:32):
it around Phoenix mini tours where the courses are pretty
darn easy. Then you got to change your ballflight, you know,
to compete with the best players, some element of speeds required.
He's not the fastest guy in the world, but obviously
he hits it fast enough to compete, and so he
worked really hard at changing his ballflight, and he was
a hard work in no nonsense, dude.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
So Nick was amazing in that.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Okay, recognize here's an opportunity to you know, get his
ball flight characteristics in the same zip code as like
a Jason Day or you know, Tiger Woods is on
another planet, but a Jason Day or justin Rose like
higher launch, steeper landing angle, ball can stop where it lands.
And I'll tell you, for the person listening that isn't
a tour player, which is ninety nine percent of the

(27:13):
people listening. When you go get a fitting, please don't
just buy the club that hits your six iron the farthest.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Like I can't stand that. It's not about how.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Far you hit your six iron people, It's about where's
your ball gonna stop. So have a conversation with your
coach and your fitter. Or maybe that's one and the
same because I see people go to the go buy
a golf club where they nuke there. Oh I'm gonna
buy this set, okay because I hit this seven iron
and six iron the farthest out of these other ones.
Who cares? Can you launch it up in the air

(27:45):
and can it stop? And maybe if that club, like
for example, I had a student yesterday he hit his
eight iron a buck sixty five okay, And I hit
my eight iron one fifty five, but I swing it
five miles an hour faster than him. So do the
math there. He's got some cannon that says eight on
the bottom. It's not really an eight iron. It's a
tour player to hit this eight iron to ten, okay,

(28:07):
like it's a cannon. And so he's playing this club
basically the wedge, nine and eight are the only clubs
are even mildly functional. You know, the seven, six, five,
he's just low launched scud missiles. That would be great
in Scotland on a windy day.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
So get a set of.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Golf clubs where you hit the ball up in the
air and they stop. And then if you have to
hit one more club than your buddy in the cart,
it's okay. I think it's okay, right, it's not a
sign of your manly hood. It's okay that you hit
one more club that launches a little higher and lands quicker.
So back to Nick Taylor, he was super smart. We
technique wise, it was just mild suggestions. He was the

(28:42):
one I think a tour player, you know, a good
coach is going to let a tour player lead the
coach down the road the tour player wants to go on,
and then the coach is going to make sure the
tour player doesn't get off side as far as the
club delivery. But if the tour if it's the tour
player's idea and it fortifies his belief system, that's a

(29:03):
win because you want the guy believe in what he's
doing is absolutely the best thing for him. But you
also want to make sure, you know, not by necessarily
telling him he's wrong, but by just saying, hey, listen,
here's some characteristics this ball should do in order to
you know, win or have top tens. When the greens
are like your rock hard and people don't realize how

(29:24):
hard a tour golf course is. You take a normal
scratch golfer, okay, like a guy like me, and I'm
gonna go shoot eighty on a tour course where Rory
McElroy makes a few putts, he's gonna shoot sixty six.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
They're that good.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
It's stupid, and so you know, people don't even realize
how good these guys are. And then they'll sit back
in their chair on Sunday and watch a guy you know,
miss a shot and be like, oh, how do he
miss that one?

Speaker 8 (29:53):
That's me when I have money on him. You know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
It's common, but I don't know where I want a tangent.
I swing it and they dang it sometimes exactly.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
The club selection was great though. That was a great mugget.
That's what we'll take from that for sure.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
Yeah, we love it. And Martin, thanks for getting up
with us early. We appreciate your time, the stories, the tempts, everything.
We're going to close it out with a little fun,
you know, rap and fire. So dream dream for anyone
dead or alive.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Oh gotta be my dad, gotta be uh, Tiger Woods
and Uncle Sam my uncle. Yeah, and I played with
my wife, so if my wife watches this, sorry, babe.

Speaker 7 (30:32):
Love you.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Of course.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
That's best golf course food.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
What's your go to best golf course of the National
in Toronto?

Speaker 7 (30:39):
Unbelievable, unbelievable, best golf course food.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Food, Oh, best golf course food. Gosh, I'm easy man,
I'll tell you what. Yeah, there's too many, you know,
put it on a plate.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
I'm eating it. It's fine. A little hot.

Speaker 7 (30:55):
Sauce and let's close it out.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
We're Philly based podcast, favorite Philadelphia area golf course.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
You've played, well, I'm playing Pine Valley in April, so
I can't wait in your area though I haven't played.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Much, to be honest, that the first time, first time playing,
first time, Yeah, tremendous. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
You know Meghan Stazzi, you know, captain of that. She's
a phenomenal amateur. Husband Dan inviting me out. So she's
a female member at Pine Valley and I'm playing golf
with her.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
In April, I guess. So.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, it's everything they say it is times ten.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
I can't wait, it really is.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well, thank you for joining us.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
It was great, great getting the chat with you.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Make sure you're following Martin Chuck p g A tour striker.
Tour striker golf really uh love love what you do,
love your videos, everything about it.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
So it was really awesome to be able to chat
a couple of minutes with you.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 8 (31:53):
Who's winning the Cup this year?

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Oh my gosh, but not my Toronto maple Leafs, not
your Flyers. I'm gonna say, let's see who's winning the Cup.
I'm gonna go Florida Panthers again.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
He just wow, adding Martian doesn't hurt.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
Yeah, we had free Bird all teed up to play
if USA would have won, but unfortunately didn't didn't go
that way.

Speaker 8 (32:18):
But hey baby in the.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
Olympics, right, all right, well listen, we'll be there for
when you un retire from men's league. We'll make sure
we get out for that game because you know, you know,
you're you know you're gonna go back and.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
I want to go back.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
It's gonna it's gonna.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Well, they all suck us back in. That's out.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
All right, thank you man, We appreciate it, and see it.
Take care of take a quick break. We'll be right back.
Uh the players. That's right, Vienna, I mean, what a
what a tournament?

Speaker 7 (32:48):
Right?

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Like, there was a lot in there, right, You.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Have the Rory situation, you have so many guys, you
have Hogy, but Tilla, Lucas Clover right, there were so
many different things.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
That could happen.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
And then the fact that it comes down to u
JJ spawn not getting basically what one more rotation of
that golf ball to send it to a to a
Monday playoff where it turns into its completely different golf
course at that time, and That's that's the cool part
about that golf course, right, It's like each day when
those wins change, you might as well be on it
at a different location, so that it kind of had

(33:19):
everything in that tournament, including the golf world in golf
media's happiest place is when Rory McIlory wins the event
and on St Patrick's Day, on Saint Patrick's Day, no
less so.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Could you see him?

Speaker 6 (33:32):
Correct, he goes your second win on Saint Patrick's Day
and he goes, no, it's my third. My second Players
won three times on Saint Patrick's Day.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Yeah, and he's showing his watch the whole time, Harry.

Speaker 8 (33:45):
Yeah, yeah, the geniuses.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Is that inredible? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
But yeah, his second Players is twenty eighth PGA Tour win,
which is pretty pretty darn and special and his second
win of the season and it's the earliest I believe
he's done that in his career on the PGA Tour.
So the hype train for the Masters and Rory McElroy
is in full effect, and you.

Speaker 8 (34:06):
Know, as it should be. I mean, you know he
I think.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
What you're really seeing here is he got tired of
everybody talking about Scotty Scheffler and you know, last year
was the year of Scottie, and I think he's he's
I've seen a different Rory McElroy as far as just
intensity and commitment this year. And I think, you know,
he wants to be the guy with seven eight wins,
you know, come September and maybe a couple of majors

(34:31):
which are going to places that sort of line up
for him. So this could be really something special that
we're seeing here. He had a three shot lead with
five to play. I had him at plus six hundred.
I got it in the morning around six o'clock. I
wake up, I check DraftKings. I'm like, wonder what the
golf is. So I'm like, ah, plus six hundred for Rory.

Speaker 8 (34:49):
That's juicy. So I jump on it.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
And after the birdie on thirteen, he's coming to fourteen,
which is the hardest t shot on the golf course.
Maybe maybe eighteen, but I'll say fourteen's just as tough.
Oh yeah, And I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna
unload this because they're giving me a cash out at
ninety percent of what I would have gotten had had
I waited till Monday morning.

Speaker 8 (35:11):
And I'm like, I take it. He hits it right
off of fourth, makes bogey.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
So I'm like genius Paul right, because there's nothing but
drama and bad things can happening from fourteen to eighteen.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
It's this golf course.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
So I you know, So from a betting standpoint, it
was great. It was great drama. I would have loved
to have seen that putt drop for Spawn though, because
you talk about we talk about life changing moments for
these guys on tour, that for that guy winning that tournament,
getting four million, five hundred thousand, whatever the money is,
you know, Rory, that's like in his glove box.

Speaker 8 (35:44):
You know, we were talking.

Speaker 7 (35:45):
About that on Five Clubs Hair.

Speaker 6 (35:46):
They were like, you know, does it make a difference
between these guys, And it's like.

Speaker 7 (35:50):
What do you mean? Does this is life changing?

Speaker 8 (35:52):
For Spawn?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
It would have life changing yeah, plus the exemption, Yeah,
the exemptions three years. I believe to win that, now
you've got three years to set your schedule and make
more money and you're in all the elevated events and
it's that totally life changing. But it didn't happen, you know,
and we got more drama, which only lasted about five minutes.

Speaker 8 (36:12):
On Monday, morning till that was over.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Did I say they filled didn't win his first major
until he was thirty five?

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Is that right? Could that be right?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
I was it?

Speaker 8 (36:21):
Oh four.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Go at four because.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
They were talking about Rory and you know his age,
but there were you know, the comparison was people were
saying they don't see Rory playing as long.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
I don't know why they would think that, but so.

Speaker 6 (36:36):
Michelson's first major championship victory came at the two thousand
and four Masters.

Speaker 7 (36:40):
Four.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's the one where he jumped over the
phone book.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
How about the the we talked about players and using
clubs and having equipment deals and using the new clubs.
You heard the story where he paid an uber driver
nine hundred and ninety five dollars. So Rory, this was
at a So Rory paid nine and ninety five hours
to Uber his q I ten driver in Fairway Woods

(37:05):
to Bay Hill last Sunday from his Palm Beach Gardens home.
After getting frustrated with the new q I thirty five models,
maclroy admitted he'd be sticking with the old equipment through
at least the Masters, and commented on the change some
years you vibe with a new piece of equipment a
little easier like that QI ten that I'm using that
they brought out last year. It was like love at
first sight. I was like, this thing is amazing. I

(37:26):
think when you feel like that about a golf club,
it's very hard to change into something else. It flows
some years it's easier than others.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
How about that, Ory, just have a guy you have
to pay? That was my biggest takeaway. And how do
we not have a runner?

Speaker 7 (37:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (37:40):
Just you not have any friends and you're.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
In Florida, Like it's not like you're exactly somewhere, you know,
in the West Coast.

Speaker 7 (37:47):
Your neighbor he's.

Speaker 8 (37:49):
Two and a half hours from home or whatever it is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, that's the thing that jumped out to me.

Speaker 8 (37:55):
And then the driver three hundred bucks?

Speaker 4 (37:58):
How do you communicate that? How do you communicate that
with Uber?

Speaker 5 (38:01):
By the way in the app, like you're not picking
up a human, you're picking up your driver.

Speaker 7 (38:04):
Yeah, and how much of a pain would that be?
Like being famous? We see this all the time.

Speaker 6 (38:08):
It's like you know that when you're tipping, that that
is going that person is going to be able to say, oh,
Rory tipped me three hundred dollars for this, or you
know this person X amount at this.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
It's you know, but how is it if you're at
Bay Hill, Like, how do you know? Is there's a
kid working there? Like, yeah, buddy, I'll give you five
hundred pick up my don't I.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Think Phil Mickelson put one of his clubs on a
private jet to come in from southern California to Augusta
one time.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
That sounds like Phil, Yeah, that sounds that does.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
Sound like a fil Hey I tried his coffee stuff.
It's it's in my funny because everybody. I had so
many people in my dms like what's the verdict? Tell
me about it? And then I was like, wait a second,
I actually forgot that I played with my coffee and
even sorry, I'm elon Musk today with my child at work.
May I forgot that I put it in my coffee yesterday.

(38:59):
So this morning I'm like, God, I'm going to pay
attention to see if it makes any difference, but I
don't know that it does.

Speaker 7 (39:04):
Did you notice anything, Moose?

Speaker 2 (39:05):
No?

Speaker 7 (39:06):
I mean, wait a second, are they going to sponsor us?
This is the greatest stuff I've ever had.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
No jitners I'm so awake, I feel so good. I
don't need another cup of coffe until Friday.

Speaker 7 (39:18):
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
I'll tell you who didn't have any jitters.

Speaker 5 (39:21):
That was justin Thomas on Friday, which is isn't golf wild?

Speaker 7 (39:25):
Right?

Speaker 5 (39:25):
He shoots a seventy eight on day one and we're
all like, man, JT's is really feeling.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
And he's playing next to Oberg who just.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
Like right, and my guy Matt and yeah, and then
he goes down to the toilet with the breaks of
players record with eleven birdies. Yeah, it's weird, Like JT
seems like he's so close, but he's just as not
getting like the Sunday finishes, like I don't know, he
seems like he's ready to go on a run.

Speaker 8 (39:51):
Well, he's just not.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
There many guys out there that they can all shoot
sixty sixty two on.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Any given speech, but he's putting.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Four days together, you know, of really good golf is
what it takes to win these tournaments, So you know,
he's kind of you know, there's one hundred guys that
could do that.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
On that Vala Taurus dalataurus was doing pretty well until
he hit the skids with a quadruple bogie on eight,
a double bogie on six, and then he hit it
into the water on seventeen, walked off with a double,
and he finishes round with a miss four footer on
eighteen five holes nine over part or in that stretch.

(40:28):
He came back on Sunday with a seventy one. But
that's another guy who like coming back from injury, you know,
is popping up. The one story I liked was they're
giving some credit to Jason Day, who has withdrawn quite
a bit over the years. But he did so with
ninety minutes, ninety minutes before teeing off, because if he
goes out there, then it's it. The alternate does not

(40:49):
get in. Danny Walker Cordnferry to a graduate in twenty
twenty four. Local guy. He was on site alternate. He
was using the restroom and got a phone call, like
you're in, he said. He went to his car to
compose himself, literally shed a tear and like had to
get his act together.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
And he comes out.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
He goes seventy three seven, he makes the cut, goes
sixty six Saturday, Wait.

Speaker 7 (41:13):
And talk about he teed off with Speith and Clark.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Oh yeah, you know, not only.

Speaker 6 (41:17):
Are you in the field, you find out at seven
am you're not in the field. At seven am, eight
forty six, you're teeing off with Speath and Clark, like
you know, you're.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Not at World flashed off.

Speaker 7 (41:28):
Yeah, hello, get out there.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
Finishes T six eight hundred and forty three thousand dollars.
He said, not even over a year ago, he had
little to nothing in his bank account. Think about that
change in your life in ninety minutes. And if they,
you know, actually looked out and decided to make sure
he withdrawal with your earlier for that reason, kudos to him.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
But really cool story. Out of the point.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
You like to think that they're mindful of that, you know,
and and us people that put him in fantasy lineups
and all that kind of stuff, because I'm.

Speaker 7 (42:00):
That's why you put an alternate in.

Speaker 8 (42:01):
I saw it. No, I'm saying for the fa oh
the fantasy.

Speaker 7 (42:04):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
So I'm texting guys at like six thirty in the
morn whenever I found out online because I know they
put Day in their lineups. I'm like, dude, he Withdrew,
you got to make chick.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
Yeah, yeah, that's stinks when you don't get that in time,
but wait, I want to.

Speaker 6 (42:18):
We mentioned Jitters in terms of coffee. We talked about
the performance of these guys up and down. I saw
this post by Whoop. I thought it was pretty cool.
Rory's heart rate from the playoff seventeenth hole. Jitters, they said,
not for Rory peak heart rate of one twenty four
before taking his shot at the island Green dropped down
the sixty three beats per minute and then finished the
hole and made his way to eighteen to cure the wind.

Speaker 7 (42:39):
So just looking at like the you know, the ups
and downs of his heart rate.

Speaker 6 (42:45):
I love that Whoop shows this because they show it
in many different situations if you go back and scroll
for where you can kind of see it, like mine
probably be like one ninety five, like the whole way
through and I dropped three in the water.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Well, his te shot on sixteen on the first playoff
all was just unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
I think it was over at that point, right I do.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
If I'm spawn, I'm like, oh my god, you know,
and then while you puts it in the rough, Rory
had wedge in down wind wedge how about on that
on that on that whole.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (43:14):
Yeah, you see we posted for facts of the divot
that Rory took there no se oh yeah.

Speaker 7 (43:20):
Go back and look at that we posted after the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
It's it's pretty cool he went back to the spot
and kind of showed that.

Speaker 7 (43:26):
So pretty neat.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (43:29):
But on the topic of Rory, Rory's last twenty five
worldwide starts, five wins, three runners up, fourteen top five,
twenty two top five and one miss cut. And then Harry,
you mentioned earlier how he was playing lately and in
what months, So Rory's individual career wins by month, just
take a look at what month is missing right there?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
April, oh wow, yep, and those ones in January I
think are in Dubai yep.

Speaker 8 (43:55):
Yeah, and yep Interre.

Speaker 7 (43:56):
So we'll see, yeah, we'll see. Hey, I still have them.
I won and done.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I didn't know I yeah, well, yeah, he won four
million points.

Speaker 5 (44:09):
I mean that's I guess what, So he's still right
If I look at the Master's odds right now, Scheffler
still plus three fifty, Rory down the plus six fifty.

Speaker 8 (44:17):
Okay, and help help about the.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Would you guess the number four player? The number player,
number four player and if I told you he wasn't
on the PGA Tour plus eleven hundred, So you have
Scotti Scheflers at plus three fifty odds.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
John, we're talking about Jehan Rahm. Yeah, John, John Ram plus.
I guess you know obvious he's wonted, so you have
to put him there.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
But that's a that's an interesting leader board, like looking
at that, looking ahead at that.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Wow, that is interesting. The Shambeau and Kopka back to
back in like the sixth seventh spot.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
All right, I don't want to get ahead of myself there,
but uh yeah, but jj spawn I mean, I mean
he kind of.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Has that demeanor to begin with.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
He's a little bit of uh, you don't really you
don't really see much out of him.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Yeah, he's yeah, very humble.

Speaker 8 (45:09):
He's a very humble dude.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
Yeah yeah, but he just he looked a little confused
out there. Yeah sure, but yeah, great, great tournament.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
Pretty cool to get a little Monday finish and get
a little extra bonus gulf for an hour and a
Monday morning.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
But going back to like last week, like more cow
At blowing off the media saying he doesn't owe them
anything and all this kind of stuff, and then you
see JJ spawn okay would have been the biggest win
of his life, and he blew up and he talks
to the media afterwards, and you become more of a
fan of him. He gained so much more of a
fan fan base by losing. Then maybe he would have

(45:44):
by winning. I don't know that, but he but him
coming out there and talking honestly after losing that tournament
is you know, that's what more A guy like Marikawa
is saying that last week, doubling down on that, that's
what he's missing out on.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (46:00):
I get that, But I in some senses could relate
to Morikawa because when he said that, like these guys,
I mean, I've said this before. In the PGA Tour
and at every level of it, the DEV tours, you
lose ninety nine.

Speaker 7 (46:16):
Percent of the time, and so.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
When you're laying it all on the line, you're trying,
you're like this close to tasting victory. I get that
it's part of it, but I also get that that's
just how I am as an individual. When I'm pissed,
I need ten seconds or I need a minute. So
I kind of understood when he was explaining it. He's like,
it wasn't. I wasn't trying to be a jerk. I
didn't want to. He's like, I just didn't want to

(46:39):
go and talk about how I just lost something that
I really wanted.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
So I think it was more in the messaging, right,
if he had only said, guys, I was I was devastated,
my bad, you know, you know I always talked to
the media. I just didn't have it any But he didn't.
He said, I don't owe you, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
Anything, Like, yeah, that's that. I didn't like that's all
anyone heard, right, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (47:00):
Well yeah, the clickbait.

Speaker 6 (47:01):
But he did come out there was another interview that
I saw that he was like, you know, guys, you
have to understand how hard that was for me, and
you know, so, yeah, I understand both sides, but I
think just you know, giving he's still a human the
end of the day. I get what Harry is saying
and how you can benefit from just being a good
guy in general, and that's you know, good guys.

Speaker 7 (47:20):
You know, yeah, you'll see them get more out of it,
but in this case, not Colin.

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Speaker 7 (49:20):
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Speaker 1 (49:23):
Is this the same event that he hit the shank
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behind him in various golf car everybody's you know, watching.

Speaker 8 (49:35):
Him hit, and he shanks one dead right.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
That's been out there for a while. I think that
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Speaker 5 (49:42):
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Speaker 8 (49:50):
Yeah, the putting motion is pretty unique.

Speaker 6 (49:55):
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Speaker 6 (50:28):
So did you guys see that Justin Timberlake paid tribute
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Speaker 4 (50:35):
I saw that the jet of course on the PJ.

Speaker 7 (50:39):
Yeah, yep, that's pretty cool. We'll have to get that
video up there.

Speaker 6 (50:44):
Matt Fitzpatrick is parting ways with his caddy after a
quote unquote mess at the Players Championship.

Speaker 7 (50:51):
Six years on the bag.

Speaker 6 (50:53):
A lot of times these caddies, you know, and Martin
was saying it a little bit, you know, like the
pros are saying, oh my caddie did this, or you know,
I'm thinking about this, like just how much goes into
like these tour players.

Speaker 7 (51:05):
But six years, that's that takes a lot. I'm telling you.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
I've I've seen Brandon have to make the decision to
break up with the caddy.

Speaker 7 (51:11):
It's lit. I feel like it's breaking up the girlfriend,
like you have to.

Speaker 6 (51:15):
It's not not me, it's you and you know what
the reasons were wrong and everything else.

Speaker 7 (51:21):
It's it's a tough decision, so interesting to see.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I think his caddy wanted to sort of scale things
back anyway at the point in life where he is.

Speaker 8 (51:31):
So I think it was kind of maybe.

Speaker 6 (51:32):
A mutual decision, which makes it easier, you know, separation.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
Right right, Like I'm trying to find Billy Foster's quote
because to me, it didn't sound like the most amicable separation.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
Yeah he wants half.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Yeah, I have to find that because it looked a little.

Speaker 8 (51:50):
Bit it sounds like he fired fits.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
It sounded like they just didn't hang on.

Speaker 8 (51:55):
Let me see if I didn't see anymore.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, you won a US open with him? Yeah, I know,
but you know, Fitzpatrick, while you're looking that up, he's
a guy that obviously has been chasing distance for a
couple of years now, and for a while it was
working for him. And sometimes these guys that continue to
do that, they kind of lose it a little bit.

Speaker 6 (52:18):
Yeah, it's easy to get caught up in one aspect
of your game and kind of lose the rest and
see what's going on.

Speaker 7 (52:23):
But yeah, hey, maybe a new caddie help you pull
back in.

Speaker 6 (52:28):
It's also interesting to see how, you know, i know,
watching the players and they were talking, you know, with
JT and talking about his caddy having so much experience
and knowing this course so well, and then you look
at another caddio is maybe there for the first time
and has only walked it, you know, Monday and Tuesday,
you know, and then two three times ahead of the round.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
It's a caddy really can make or break.

Speaker 6 (52:49):
But then you can also have guys like MAV with
his brother on the bag where it's a comfortable situation.

Speaker 7 (52:54):
So yeah, it's interesting to see how they pick.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
Here's what Billy Foster put on Instagram. Well, after six
great years, good things come to an end. This game
never stops to frustrate you and infuriate you. Unfortunately, times change,
and ultimately it's the caddy or the coach that has
to accept results are not good enough and when you
stop enjoying what you're doing, it's time for a change.
Thanks Matt, we had a great run, and who knows
where the next chapter will go onwards and upwards.

Speaker 8 (53:17):
That sounds a little.

Speaker 6 (53:19):
Aggressive, yeah, and then at the end, like thanks Matt,
but like, yeah, but pull out some of those choice
words again there, Yeah, that was That's why I had
to grab that.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
It was well, you know, like where it says, ultimately
it's the caddy or coach that has to accept the
results are not good enough, right, not the golfer play. Yeah,
no account and when you stop enjoying what you're doing,
it's time for a change.

Speaker 8 (53:47):
I love that. We've got to get him on.

Speaker 7 (53:49):
Yeah, tell us how you really feel, don't spare anything.

Speaker 5 (53:54):
But I mean he posted a bunch of pictures together,
and yeah, there was a little shade in there for sure.

Speaker 6 (53:58):
There wasn't like ripped our photoshop an emoji over his face.

Speaker 7 (54:05):
Jordan speed club throw on the final round of the players,
you know, and then there's a whole golf dot com
put it out. It was pretty cool, it was not
pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (54:14):
I mean I thought so just I like when players
are humanized even more because you know, Harry, I know you.

Speaker 7 (54:22):
I don't know if we'll call.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
It a spiritual journey, but how you've become less frustrated
or just enjoying your time and really lean into playing golf.
But there's still people, and especially when you're playing, you know,
for money for a living.

Speaker 8 (54:34):
That's a totally different story.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
Yeah, with Willie Zy reacting to his quad bogie the
Jordan Speed Club throw, there's a lot of different player
reactions to the condition. So I can post that up
on the Instagram stories, you guys can kind of take
a look at that. But like I said, I think
it's good when they humanize the players and kind of
show you know, they're they're human, they're frustrated, they're they're
trying to make money. And as we demonstrated, or we

(54:57):
shared last last week that if you don't make the cut,
you're out minimum you know, two three grand.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
So yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
You talk about emotions, there's a Scottie Scheffler is showing
a lot of frustration and emotion over these last couple
of weeks.

Speaker 8 (55:11):
Man, it's I kind of like it.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
I do too, but you know, he never I mean,
everything was going great last year, so it's it's pretty interesting.

Speaker 8 (55:20):
Like he seems like he's on the edge.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Oh yeah, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:24):
And you guys, you guys asked last week, like is
his injury more than what they're portraying, Like, yeah, moos
you were saying that, right.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
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Speaker 6 (56:17):
I want to share one more little piece in the
Philadelphia PGA. This past week they honored the Awards class
of twenty twenty four and their newest Hall of Fame
members during their annual awards banquet at the Union League.
So they have I'm not going to go through the
entire list of everybody, but a couple guys we've had
on the pod, but just want to give a, you know,
a special shout out to the new Philadelphia PGA Hall

(56:40):
of Fame member Jeff Kitty, friend of the program as
Moose would say. But we can share that on stories too.
So pretty cool.

Speaker 7 (56:50):
Absolutely some recognition of these guys.

Speaker 5 (56:53):
Very cool, very cool. All right, So we move on
to the vowspar Uh. Since twenty two, this has moved
to after the players. Looks like we have some some
more interesting weather at least early Thursday Friday with some
with some heavy wins.

Speaker 8 (57:07):
But let's talk.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
About the course of course sponsored by our friends at
the Penn Club on second famous Copperhead Harry.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Mays, Yeah, the Innisbrook Resort Copperhead Course par seventy one
see fifty two yards Larry Packard design. He actually used
to live on the golf course until he passed away
a few years ago. Tree lined course obviously a point
to point type of course. Positioning off the t is key.
It's the longest par seventy one that they that they

(57:36):
play thus far this year.

Speaker 8 (57:38):
Average green size.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Fifty eight two square feet, so on the smallest side
it's they're overseeded with poanna and the fairways, approaches and
rough are all right overseed. And the average width of
the fairways Moose and Danielle only twenty yards, so it's
very tight for PGA Tour standards seventy four bunkers, eight
water hazards, and it's in play on nine of the

(58:00):
eighteen holes. A couple that changes number nine will play
from the eleventh tee box to add some length and
actually bring the fairway bunkers into play for these guys.
And the rough is sitting at three point seven five
inches to start the week.

Speaker 8 (58:15):
There's five par threes and three on the back and
four par fives.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
The snake pit is, you know, the signature area of
the golf course sixteen, seventeen and eighteen.

Speaker 8 (58:26):
A great finish.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Sixteenth hole is one of the hardest holes they play
all year, par four four to seventy five dog leg
right with trees to the left and water down the
right almost towards the green with kind of a large
offset green.

Speaker 8 (58:39):
Really good hole.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Seventeenth holes, the par three signature hole plays up uphill
slightly two hundred and fifteen yards, narrow portion of the
green is in the front. It's well guarded by sand
on both sides. And then the eighteenth hole, par four
four hundred and forty five yards, sort of a twisting
fairway with six bunkers on the right side, and the
first four are in sort of a church pew fashion.

(59:02):
They're the ones yeah over my shoulder there, and then
you got two large traps on the left, and the
front of the green is guarded by this huge trap
sort of on the left to front side, and then
another one on the back right. So there's a there's
a little moan closely moan area at four and five
o'clock section of the green. But it's a tough green
to get to. You gotta fly that bunker. So really

(59:23):
good finish, good iron players, good approach guys, and guys
that can put it in.

Speaker 8 (59:28):
A fair way. Off the tee. It's a it's it's
a demanding golf course.

Speaker 5 (59:31):
Absolutely so a little bit of our buddy Jeff Ulrich's
nuggets that I like to share every week. Nine of
the past ten winners here had at least one top
ten in the calendar year, and of the last five winners,
all had it played that's played here in this event
at least one time before.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
When you look at the it's so funny to me.

Speaker 5 (59:50):
The top guy on the on the board is Tommy
Fleetwood at plus eleven hundred, Like unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
What do they know that we don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
I mean, he's gonna miss three putts that he should
make and that's gonna be the difference between him winning
and maybe finishing third.

Speaker 6 (01:00:06):
Yeah, And Harry was in my head all last week
because I was like, wait, should I take.

Speaker 7 (01:00:11):
Him this week?

Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
Like he played well at the Player And all I
heard was Harry like he doesn't win.

Speaker 7 (01:00:16):
I'm like, I love it. I hasn't heard that in
my head. Ninety five dives.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
But JT was favored earlier in the week, and then
it's flipped to now Fleetwood.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
J's down the fourth, He's got rander and seven between them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Right, Yeah, so it is very interesting, is it interesting?
Eleven hundred, he's eleven hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
Ye.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
You have Sam Burns, two time winner here right at
twenty two hundred, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
And some guys down the border a little bit that
I really like.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Like you look at Lucas Glover, who couldn't belaying better
right now at six thousand, Bud Cawley, who's popping back
at a nowhere you can get him in a top
top five for plus sixteen hundred Lucas yep.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
And Lucas' course fits his game pretty well. There's maybe
like two holes where.

Speaker 8 (01:00:58):
Man, I love watching him swing the golf club.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
I got to come down there one time when he's
getting a lesson over at Jupiter Hills and just.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Watch and talk to him too. Yeah, voice and that
Southern draw man.

Speaker 7 (01:01:10):
But I'm one of the nicest guys you can sell.
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
I could see Sep holding up this trophy though. On
Sunday I already used I actually I went with Connors
with my meat done.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
Did you really mean I don't interesting? Interesting?

Speaker 8 (01:01:25):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Yeah about that plus thirty five hundred moves that's pretty juicy.

Speaker 8 (01:01:32):
Yeah, he's played well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
In these last two elevated events, and he's a great
iron player. He's a point to point kind of golfer.
Plus three twenty in the top ten looks like guaranteed money.
Alex Smalley is another guy like at plus two twenty
in a top twenty. Your boy Will's al Taurus coming off,
you know, some disappointment at the players. This is a
great golf course for him top tens at plus one

(01:01:55):
sixty and Taylor Moore who's won here before h plus
two forty in the top twenty, or some things that
jumped out at me.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Yeah, I'm curious to see, right the guys talked about
like JT. Michael Kim, like, guy's been playing really well.
You always see it like a Thomas Deetree pop up too, and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
But yeah, field it is. Yeah, it's a really non
elevated event after two huge events. I thought they did
a really good job at getting some really good players.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
And whenever there's win to play, I don't mind looking
at a Shane Lowry play too. I think he's a
conditioned player and he's like a young Harry May's.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
At the nineteen twelve club playing in the wind right.

Speaker 7 (01:02:31):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
My clubs have remained in my car.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
I've really yet to play a golf course this season,
so it's not you guys.

Speaker 7 (01:02:40):
I'm going out on Friday. I'm good for Lexi. She's
been helping a little bit with the pod.

Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
I hired a new golf manager for DM Creative House
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Speaker 6 (01:02:53):
So we're going to go use that tech, do a
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Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
Bit, so we'll see nice.

Speaker 7 (01:03:00):
Maybe we'll put some stories out there.

Speaker 8 (01:03:02):
Where are you going to play?

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Turtle Turtle?

Speaker 7 (01:03:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Nice, Harry, You'll be out there, I'm sure all weekend, right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Yeah, I got I got some stuff schedules. We got
to tape some inside golf over at Lulu today. U
And I'm actually going to stop in at our buddy
Mike Dinda's house.

Speaker 8 (01:03:17):
He's got his own little short games set up in
it in the backyard.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Going to the backyard with a couple of bud likes today.

Speaker 7 (01:03:24):
If I properly, he could literally be the new club
pro guy or set up in his You should see
some of the text.

Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
Messages he sends me of just like, you know, he's great, but.

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I know I don't. We don't talk a lot about
live on this podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Are you talking about world number one?

Speaker 8 (01:03:44):
Well, have you noticed that's been going on over there?
I mean fireball.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Sergio's team has won three of the events already and
Joe Kim Neeman.

Speaker 8 (01:03:56):
Neman joke him world number one.

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
That's what I'm Yeah, how much backlash did he get
saying something golf?

Speaker 8 (01:04:04):
Though?

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Man, he's got two wins and then you know the
Master's coming up.

Speaker 8 (01:04:08):
Gon be interesting. He hadn't played great in the majors. Yeah,
that's the one thing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
He has such a talent man strike it.

Speaker 7 (01:04:15):
Yeah, super talented, but world number one.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
I don't listen if he would have stayed on the
PGA tour, And yeah, he knows that's why Phil's failed.

Speaker 7 (01:04:27):
I love that he he just puts stuff out there.
Yeah he knows. He's like, hey, when I when I
come back, I want that, you know that? What's that
the money you get for the most money.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
He's taking the piff money now and then he wants
pip money later. But to Neeman's credit, he does go
and play in other events like to get world ranking points,
Like he's out there, you know, obviously pursuing ranking points,
so I got to give him credit for.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
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Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Thanks for joining to listen, swing it and ding it.