Swing It & Ding It: Episode 222

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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Just got to get out there and swing and ding it.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yeah, you know, just guess it's gonna go out there
and try to swing it and ding it. All right,
welcome in to swing it and ding it.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
And as you can tell, we might I don't know
if we're trying to help our audience get better or
selfishly helping try to help ourselves get better. We are
having on some of the some of the best instructors
in the game, and we are joined by Mike Malisia,
director of instruction at Admirals Pogue in Jupiter, Florida, Top
one hundred teacher in America.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Mike. Welcome to swing it and ding it.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
Many thanks for having me, guys. This will be fun.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, absolutely excited to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Obviously, when when we do our crack research, you know
you learned something learned some.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Things about you and he listen, listen.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
I was young I needed the money.

Speaker 6 (01:09):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
We don't judge here on swinging. One thing we do
not do at least while you're on. Then afterwards then
we like crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
But yeah, what we what we like.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
To do is kind of start off with with the
golf journey. It's always interesting, especially you know, Danielle's in
the game. Let's face it, she's working in the game
at this point with everything she's doing. Harry is to
some degree to me, this is it for me. This
is as much as I get to work into the game.
So it's always intriguing for me to hear people that
are working in the industry in the thing that they

(01:40):
love the most, which is the game of golf. So
take us through, you know a little bit of your journey.
We know, starting as au as a player, but and
you started very young into the game of golf from.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
What I ford, Yeah, I mean my dad, my dad
was a club pro. So I tell people that I
didn't have an option there, right, I mean, it was
in our family. So it was something that I started
doing at a young age and got pretty good at it.
You know. I just loved every part of the game,
and fast forward, I turned pro at an early age.

(02:10):
And went out and played. And I was really fortunate
to work with some of the best teachers in the world.
I mean I worked with Mike Adams, David Ledbetter, work
with Martin Hall. I worked with everyone, and you know,
I was I always say this that I would be
like the worst student, especially for me now, because it

(02:32):
wasn't tell you know, this is what I want you
to do. So I would go take a lesson, an
actual lesson, and I would go home. Back then you
use VHS tape, so I would get every tour player,
every swing that I could get where this guy had
the club in the position that they didn't want me
to be in. And then the next lesson coming back,

(02:53):
I popped it in and said, okay, now tell me
why you want me to change. He has it there.
So I drove those guys just you know. And so
I played for a long time. But you know, my
love was always the game, from the mental part to
the physical part, to why swings work, why they didn't work.

(03:17):
And that is great if you want to be a
golf coach, if you want to be a player, you
can't you can't have all that in there. And you know,
so I had a decent career. It's great. I mean
it's it's helped me become a decent instructor because I
can pull back on being out on tour and playing

(03:37):
in a major championship or playing many tours or playing
for a living because it's a different lifestyle, right Danielle,
Oh yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:49):
Mike, What was like the biggest lesson you learned from
playing professionally that you can now apply to your coaching.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
I think the biggest thing that I tell play younger
players tour players is that, are you know starting out,
there's gonna be a defining moment. There's gonna be a
time when you fail. When you fail, how you respond
to that, It's gonna go two ways. You're either gonna

(04:17):
look at that and say, Okay, this is the process
I now need to take and I'm gonna put all
the chips back in and go on and bang it out,
or you're gonna go, Okay, this is the mistake I made.
I don't want to make that mistake again. So what
starts to happen is you start trying to play without
making mistakes, and in this game you're dead. You got

(04:38):
to learn. You have to have a process. You have
to have a direction, and then you got to you
gotta go, man, you gotta put the hammer down and
go no fear, let it out. And if guess what,
if you screw it up again, you sit down, you
look at it, talk it over with your coach, come
up with a plan, another process, and you put the
hammer down again. But if you get into that that

(05:00):
part where I'm trying to not make a mistake, and
you go out there with the mindset that I'm going
to go out to not play bad instead of I'm
going to go out there to play great, you got
no shot.

Speaker 7 (05:15):
Now do you think Adam had to ent or so
Heath maybe had those thoughts this past week where we
saw maybe an emotional meltdown or you know, kind of
childlike behavior with you know, tomahawking a sprinkler head and
chucking a club.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I look at I get
that part of it, mainly because I've had frustration playing.
The other one is I'm one hundred percent Italian, so
that's my personality. You have to there's a fine line
between keeping that inside and you can't do that. That

(05:54):
doesn't work either because you'll hold it for maybe a
round or two and then you'll just go.

Speaker 6 (05:59):
Posset loose cannon.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
But you have to be able to do I mean,
that was just a bad break. It was funny as hell,
but it was just a bad break for him to
do that. But you do have to let it out,
you try.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
It was hilarious regrets now, regret of like what do
I do now?

Speaker 7 (06:16):
It was just the best party stepping on it, trying
to stop it from the like And nowadays there's everywhere
and if it's not a TV camera or podcast camera,
it's the gallery camera.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
You can't do anything.

Speaker 7 (06:29):
There's it's got to be an element of stress for
these guys thinking there's I mean, there's eyes on them
at all times. You know, there could be Harry in
the gallery recording, you know, somebody walking to go Pete.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
Yeah, and you got to remember too, I mean when
people people think about the tour and Daniel, you get
this look at you're not having when you're watching golf
on TV, You're not having that. You're not having that
following with every group unless it's in a major. So
most tour events, you know, unless you're tour the top,
if you're in the middle of the pack, look at
you're not going to have big galleries. You will on

(07:02):
one nine eighteen. So sometimes you lose it. Yeah, you
lose it. You know, you don't think anybody's around. But
that was funny.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
What do you love most about teaching amateurs and what
is the biggest challenge?

Speaker 5 (07:21):
What do I mean look at in a profession where
you can help somebody get better? I don't. You're just
helping people, be it bub you know, firefighter, cop, teacher,
anybody where you can help somebody. I think that's the
most rewarding job there is. As far as you know.
Amateurs want to improve, but most of the time they

(07:48):
don't want to do what it takes to improve. So
that's hard from an instructor's point of view. So I
have to take what they have and be able to
work with that lower their scores. It was funny because
I did a speaking engagement in one of the things
with the younger instructors. They were asking me, you know,

(08:11):
advice that I would give the one of the younger
instructors who's gonna come out and he's probably he's not
gonna start with to our players, gonna start with the
everyday person. So the question I asked him was this,
how can you make them better? And I mean substantially better,
not a shot or two. I'm talking about five to
eight shots better without ever changing their swing. So he

(08:34):
just kind of looked at me and he didn't really
have an answer. I said, well, I'll tell you what.
If you take the average amateur, you put my head
or your head because he was a good player on
their body, they're gonna shoot five to eight shots lower
right off the bat because we are not going to
make mistakes. We're not gonna make mistakes like misaligning. We're
not gonna make mistakes like misreading greens. We're not gonna

(08:55):
make mistakes like club selection. We're not gonna make mistakes
by understanding that every shot that we hit is calculated
based on a miss, not a perfect shot. As my
buddy Scott Faust it says, you know, when pros aim,
they aim it like they're shooting it out of his shotgun,
and these amateurs shoot like they're shooting a sniper rifle.

(09:15):
Right every shot that we hit is that plan. It's
a plan, Missy, and it's it's look at here's what
I deal with every day. And it's funny with the
average golfer, ask them how far do you hit your
seven iron? And here's what we get. I go, okay,
so one forty your number, Yeah, I go okay, ask

(09:37):
me how far I hit my seven iron? How far
are you a seven? I mike one seventy two to
one sixty. I go, well, what do you mean? I said, Well,
I you know, I don't play much now and I'm older.
When I pop it, it goes one seventy two, so
I catch it perfect. I will miss it all the
way down to one sixty. So there that's my gap,

(10:00):
that's my range. So when I'm hitting a shot, that's
in my brain. If I miss it, where am I
going to come up? And I'll miss it all the
way down to one sixty. And of course then you
have a dispersion rate too right and left with your
tendency and how far. So when I assess people that,
the first thing I do is I said, here's what
I want you to do. You're gonna hit a seven iron.

(10:21):
You're going to hit twenty shots at a flag, and
you're not going to make a change based on the
last ball that you hit, meaning it went right. So
I'm going to make an adjustment and at the end
of the twenty balls, we're going to take away a
few of the bad, a few your best, and we're
going to have a zone that you hit it in.
We're going to have a zone from front to back,

(10:41):
and we're going to have a zone from right to left.
Whatever your tendency is. If you know that, now you
can aim correctly because they think aiming at the middle.
You know, my the two things I get, I like
this one. You know, assess your game. Yeah, I'm a
good putter compared to what we're comparing it to right

(11:02):
or you know, my course management's pretty good. Why because
I aim in the middle of the fairway, in the
middle of the green. I'm like, yeah, but you never
hit it there. You hit those left.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
I feel seen right now.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Oh man.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
So yeah, it's interesting too, Like the seven iron is
the is to go to for you guys?

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Is that just because it's like the.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Middle kind of of everyone's clubs.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
No, I would say I start there as a base, Yeah,
as a base. And then you know the swings are different.
Look at if the wedge swing is different and I'm
talking distance wedge and not pitching, because that's even different too.
Then an iron swing than a driver swing. So you know,
that's why people A lot of what I see is

(11:53):
when people will come to me, they'll say, you know,
I'm struggling with my driver. I'm like, all right, well
let's start off with a seven iron just because I
want to get some And I go, listen, here's the deal.
You have a flaw in your swing. The driver, for you,
brings out the flaw the most. It's not the driver,
it's the flaw. There's a big difference the ball in

(12:14):
the air you're hitting off a tee the ball on
the ground you're not, or vice versa. I'll see somebody go, yeah,
I drive it well, but I suck with my irons,
and I'm like, all right. So you know when I
explained to them, listen, your swing's either too steep or
too shallow. If it's too steep, you're going to struggle
with your driver. If it's too shallow, you're going to
struggle with your irons. So there needs to be a blend.

(12:37):
So I start there. But I mean, really with people
who want to get better, And that's another thing that
I do. I think that's really really important as well,
is I don't know what your real swing is when
you come and see me. Right, that's the base you
know where I know where your real swing is. When

(12:58):
I put you out on the off course, I'm gonna
videotape your swing. You're gonna hit me a shot from
whatever distance where there's water left, there's out of violence.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Right.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
I need to see when your central nervous system is
stressed what happens out there, because it's really a lot.
I call it the box we we teach in a
you know, performance center. Right, that's the box. You're in
a controlled environment.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
How many times do you hear?

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Of course, I'm hitting it great now, right, Like when
people come to you just because they're they're trying so
hard to swing, probably perfectly in front of an instructor
that not on a course like just playing, you probably
already hit balls.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
So here here's what I get. I get people that,
and that's why I said I like to do it
in a way to where I stress their central nervous
system out, because think about it, Golf's the only sport
that you practice not on the field you play in. Right,
So right off the bat, your central nervous system spikes.

(14:01):
So I don't really know what their flaw is I'll
see a little bit of the flaw, but they'll come
to me and they're like, oh my god, I'm hitting
this big blowout to the right. I'm like, okay, get
up stripe the first one stripe, the second one stripe,
the third. So it almost gets to a point where
they're like, now I'm almost trying to hit this blowout
that actually show you what I did. The reason that

(14:23):
blowout's not coming out there is because there's no stressors.
They're on a perfectly controlled environ in a perfectly controlled
environment with a golf ball in a flag. They don't
have water left out of bounce right the match on
the line penalty areas bunkers a club that they hit

(14:44):
one forty and they only need to hit it one
thirty eight. So they have all these.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
Factors the whole.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Yeah. So I always try to in video. I always
try to put my student if they're struggling with something,
I create a situation and then take their swing. And
that's the one I really look at, because two things
are gonna happen under the gun. You're gonna have a
mental response of what you do. Me for instance, hunt

(15:12):
a percent Italian, what do I do. I go fast, baby,
you know why I want to hurry up. And then
Brett Mchabe always says, well, don't be in a hurry
to screw this up, right, But that's my tendency. I
know what I do so physically, I know what I
do in my body. Now what do I do in
my golf swing? So if you don't have a process

(15:34):
that deals with it before and during the swing, you're
just gonna fall victim. What you're gonna do. The process
is gonna break down, You're gonna make a crappy swing,
you're gonna blow it way right, and you go there.
It is again I spent ahead of it. But an
actual fact, what happened was you started on the tee
when you said, oh my god, do not go left right,

(15:58):
and then everything you did was that. So a lot
of the process of what you're dealing with. So I really,
like I said, I really want to see somebody in
a stressful situation, and I want to see what comes out,
even in a plane lesson. And that's one of the things.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
You know.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
I had this discussion with another instructor about that because
we were talking about it, and he goes, okay, we'll
plane lessons. I go no, because so I'll give you
an example. I got somebody who struggles with their driver. Well,
most tolls, when you get up and you tee off,
you always have a bailout area most of the time,

(16:38):
and the fairways are quite wide. So what I'll do.
Somebody goes let's say they hit a driver two hundred yards,
I'll take them to a hole. We're going to tee
it up in the fareway two hundred yards away where
there's water left, there's a sand crap right, and there's
out a bounce. So I'm just stressing. I'm making this drive. Now.
Normally they wouldn't hit that because it's a stupid shot.

(16:59):
Hopefully they lay that up. But I need to stress
their central nervous system enough so I can see what
flaw comes out. So when I see what flaw comes out,
now that I can give them a mental management system
for their brain while they're behind the shot and getting
ready to hit the shot, and then I can help
them anticipate and focus on what they do under the gun.

(17:25):
Makes sense, right, Yeah, doesn't mean it's the perfect solution.
It only gives you the best probability to pull off
the best shot you can that day, and it might
be you know, as JT did a couple of weeks ago,
seventy eight or sixty two.

Speaker 7 (17:40):
Yeah, No, it's great. It's great insight because you don't
really think about it. I mean, at least I never
thought about it like a playing or a part of me.
A lesson is in that controlled environment. But it's a
great segue to talk about your controlled environment and what
you built over there at Admiral's Cove, the performance center there.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
I mean it is like going to a.

Speaker 7 (17:57):
Five plus star resort hotel. I'm surprised you guys don't
have a spa there. Explain to our listeners and what
this looks like from the moment you walk in, and
you're right, there's a bar and mini pro shop everything
else beautiful bays.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
Paint the picture for the listeners. Mike.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
Yeah. You know, first of all, you look at admirals
and admirals just the reputation and the great job they
do on both sides. Because there's two sides. You got
an east and a west. We're one, but we're across
A and A and you know, for when I came in,
they wanted to do this performance center, and when you
do performance center, you really have to make sure it

(18:36):
aligns with the rest of Admirals. So Admirals is just
an unbelievable I call it. It's a private resort. It's
a high end private resort. Because we have everything. You
never have to leave campus. I mean, it's massive. And
so when we started designing and seeing what we wanted

(18:57):
to do with this, well, we definitely wanted to have
have obviously my own bay with the technology, definitely the
assistance base where they can teach. We also wanted to
provide member bays where they can go in after a
lesson because I think if it's just teaching bays that
you have, then the member doesn't really get to practice

(19:23):
in a feedback environment. And that's part of where we
wanted to make it. If we're going to make this
the ultimate learning center, then the members have to have
someplace to go to where they can train on their
own time and get instant feedback, because that's the biggest
thing why amateurs don't improve. They don't have a set
plan when they practice, and they don't practice with feedback.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
Or practice enough.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Well that too.

Speaker 6 (19:50):
All guilty here too, right.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
But even when you do have the time to practice.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
You got to have a focus, you know, of something
that you want to You know, you can't just be.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Out there hitting balls.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
But oh absolutely, yeah, you know you've got to have
sort of a plan.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
But I agree with that totally.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
What's one thing the average amateur player can do to
work on their mental game?

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Well, you know, when you start to look at and
I always say this to whatever field somebody is in,
the first question I asked them is whether or not
you know this? But when something goes sideways, you have
a process. You have a process to fix it. What's

(20:35):
your process when you get off on the golf course,
you get going sideways? What is your response? So most
of them don't have a response, they don't have a process.
So to develop a process of what you do, understand
understanding your response to it. Because most amateurs will look

(21:00):
at a hole, and it's important. This is what we
do as human beings. We define and see where danger is,
so we don't go there. That's what keeps us alive.
The problem is the best players in the world that
have a process to deal with that change their focus,
guide their mind to pull the shot off. While an
amateur lives in the process and everything he does or

(21:24):
she does is to avoid that danger which doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
Yeah, yeah, insightful, helpful for sure, no doubt. Moose, you
you get.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, you go.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Why don't you go with go a little rapid fire
then I'll.

Speaker 6 (21:40):
Close us out perfect, Mike, I like to.

Speaker 7 (21:43):
I've kind of introduced this just within the last couple episodes,
but we're going to do a little bit of a
rapid fire.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
So don't think too much about it. Just give me
what comes to the top of your head. All right.

Speaker 7 (21:53):
We're gonna build a perfect golfer combining a few traits
from different players. So who are you picking for ball striking?

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Adam Scott, short game, Jordan speed putting, McCarthy.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
I like it, Danny and mental game.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Mental game. I'd have to say, Tiger, you.

Speaker 6 (22:24):
Have one round left to play. Where are you playing?
And who's in that foursome.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
One round to play? I would say Augusta, it would
be my dad, it would be Ben Hogan, and it
would be Tiger.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Mmm.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
It's a good force that yeah.

Speaker 7 (22:43):
All right, And last and final question, we are all
from Philadelphia to Philly Bass Podcast.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
What is your favorite Philadelphia golf course that you've ever played.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
I would say, now, Mike, all some Philly roots golf.

Speaker 5 (22:59):
But here's the other thing. You know, Admirals is a
Philly club. Did you know that?

Speaker 6 (23:04):
No elaborate on that. Let's hear it.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Do you have you ever heard of film Mont? Yeah? Okay,
So the owner of Film Monk came down here and
started this.

Speaker 6 (23:16):
What get there?

Speaker 5 (23:18):
I believe he was the owner or he had something
to do. So they took they took Buzz Garvin who
Buzz Garvin was the director of golf at Filmont. They
came down. He produced Admiral's Cove when he started Admiral's
Cove and Buzz was the first director of golf and
a big majority of our members it's all Philly based.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
We actually knew this. We just wanted to see if
you knew that.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
That's why we're.

Speaker 6 (23:48):
Like, let's see if he actually knows what happened where
he works.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah all right, but we're not letting him off the
hook that.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
I would say, I haven't played my I mean, like
A said, my wife's from Bethlehem, so we get up
there once a year. My nephew's the director of golf
at at he was at Golf Mills. Now he's the
director of golf at Bitterman. So I get up that area,
but it's usually vacation and I don't get to play.
But I did play Golf Mills. I really liked it.

(24:17):
I played Bitterman. I really liked it. I mean that
that area is just it's so enriched with great golf courses.
It's I need to get up there and just play well.

Speaker 6 (24:29):
Next time you go up to Bethlehem, hit up Harry,
hit up Moose. If I'm up there, absolute, and we'll.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
Try to get you out to a legit Philly course
where you come.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
Oh, I played h Ironomic.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
Oh yeah, which is great.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Absolute, But no Marry and no Pine Valley.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
I played No, no Marry and no Pine Valley. I
had offers. It's just been too too busy to go.
I did play. I played Hershey, I played the event
at Hershey when it was the Nike Tour, and I
played the event at Philmont when it was a Nike Tour. Cool.

Speaker 7 (25:01):
But so you've got your feet wet around the area. Yeah, yeah, awesome,
good stuff.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
Fact. In fact, we have a member here who's uh.
We have two baseball Philly guys. We have Mike Schmidt
and Turner.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Oh they're both nice, all kinds of Philly.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
There was there was a time when Mike Schmidt was
thinking about possibly joining the Senior tour.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Mm hm back in the day. Really pretty good player.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure he still is.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
All right.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
I keep threatening to go down and see Danielle and Jupiter,
but this, this might be the extra reason.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
To get not to come see me, to come see Mike.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
My great job with with what you're doing on social media,
and they have great people helping you.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
Out in the.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Yeah, continued success. We'll be We'll be watching. And yeah,
I think you have a great approach. I love watching
your stuff. You have just a very great way you
go about explaining the game, and I think it resonates
with people.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
So continued success.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (26:04):
Also, when you see a coach give a lesson, then
you can see you can actually hit a ball too, right.

Speaker 6 (26:10):
Like, that's cool.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
We will take a quick break and we will be
right back. All right, welcome back to swing it and
ding it. How about all those Philly connections with very
cool Admiral's Cove.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
It sounds like a great spot.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
The Philadelphia, Philadelphia Jupiter apparently.

Speaker 7 (26:32):
Yeah, he was very almost explaining that too. But that
that performance, I mean the entire place, like you said,
like they have a yacht club, they have anything and
everything you need.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
One of the like, is that one of like the
elite places down there.

Speaker 7 (26:46):
Yeah, I mean there's several, but yeah, it's one of
the one of the solid places.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
I think they did a playing lessons with a pro
from there one time and.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I got to look at a couple of the holes.
It really is popping.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
It's beautiful, it is.

Speaker 7 (26:59):
And that performance Like I got there, I walked in.
You walk in the performance center and there's a bar
and like I'm telling you, like probably fits fifteen plus
people comfortably full on pro shop offices for all the staff.

Speaker 6 (27:13):
And then he has his bay.

Speaker 7 (27:15):
There's like four other bays. There's fitting bays for putting
for clubs or everything. I mean some of these clubs,
the direction that they're taking these performance centers with the
technology and everything.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
To be able to teach.

Speaker 7 (27:26):
We see Jupiter Hills and Jason's Performance Center, Mike and
his Performance Center.

Speaker 6 (27:30):
It's it's game changing with what these clubs are doing.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
All Right, Well, let's talk about the vast bar. It
was like it felt like a flashback from a couple
of years ago. You have Victor Hovlin. Since winning the
FedEx Cup in twenty twenty three, he's going through five coaches.
How we're talking about instructors and coaches. We probably should
have brought that up with Mike. He went eight months
without making a cut in a full field event and
then all of that, I realized that he just he
just remembers who he is and what he's capable of.

(27:57):
And but I mean, think about that, they're going through
five coach.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
I know what happens.

Speaker 7 (28:01):
But that's was that he didn't make a cup for
eight months.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, and he won the FedEx Cup two years ago.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
That was Yeah, twenty three was when he won the
Since that's since he won that, that's when he went
through all the different coaches. And I mean it's so
funny too, because he seems like a level kind of
dude like.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
But always is always tinkering, never satisfied. He even said
after winning on Sunday that he didn't like his golf swing.
There's a lot about what he's doing that he still
doesn't like.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I mean, he's kind of like one of those guys
where they where they just sort of.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Think he overthinks it sometimes.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, he's just so darn good, but he's never happy.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
And then you talk to j T, and j T
was almost like eraated the way he played.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
He blew the tournament.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
I mean really.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, if he pars in, he wins.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
You know.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
So say he goes four under sixty seven one child
when he's three back with five to play.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, and then he bangs three birdies to pass JT.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Obviously, jtuh on sixteen ghost Driver and loses it and
why bogey on eighteen?

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Right? Why?

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Right?

Speaker 4 (29:09):
But yeah, I mean talk about course management and use
the mental side of the game.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
It's it's always that.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
It's funny though, like it makes you, you know, when
you're playing and like you hit a bad drive or
someone in you're playing, it's like, I can't believe I
just hit that bad drive.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
It's like really like.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Yeah, right, JT just did it twice and the last
two holes like it happens right like, And that's to
Mike's point, like how do you get back in your
mindset to like get past that.

Speaker 7 (29:34):
Yeah, And we've seen it this theme like Harry and
I were talking about Max Homa last week. You know,
it's these emotions we talked about earlier on the pod
with seeing that the meltdown from Adam Hadwin and see
he throwing clubs and everything else, the mental aspect and
just feeling like you're being watched all the time. And
these people, you know, just you know, we see if
they if they got a hold of our group text,

(29:56):
they would see what Harry says about.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
Them after you know, each shot. It's tough. I say
it all the time.

Speaker 7 (30:01):
Imagine if I followed you around at work every day,
you know, I just go to home depot and I'm
like this worker forgot to put this back in the
wrong aisle, or they did this, they did that, like
you Literally, your job has a scorecard and is posted
for the world to see, criticize, shastise everything, plus televised
in every shot.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
What the hell is he doing hitting this?

Speaker 7 (30:23):
You know, yeah in the water, doing this, five butting,
three butting.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
It's it's tough, yeah, but I've never hit a sprinkler head,
I've never broken a club. I've never I've never kicked
my potter. I mean some of the annex that.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
We saw last year's pretty aggressive.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
That and then break.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
He broke the shaft right center of the shift and
he apparently had a bad back. That's why he pulled
out of the tournament.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
Well, yeah, see, there's there's something saying like, hey, I've
never done that.

Speaker 7 (30:52):
But also, we don't pay the bills by doing this,
or we're not trying to.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
But I know people that don't pay the bills that
that act like that.

Speaker 6 (30:59):
That's how that's I've seen some.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
You're doing.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
You're not one of the best stories ever. My buddy
Mario Rousseau were playing at I think it was rambling.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I know him, you know Mario sure.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
And we're like four or five holes in and he
just is anger out of it, throwing clubs. So man,
he's like, you know what, I'm done. I'm done.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
I'm leaving.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
I'm leaving it, takes the bag off the car, starts walking.
We play like three four holes five old. Here he
comes walking, I can't find my way out in this place,
put his bag back on the cart and finished around
with us.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Stop because there's like three different nines.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
There and he couldn't he couldn't figure out how to
get out of it. We played three holes with out him.
He's like, all right, I'll just get back in.

Speaker 6 (31:38):
The fact that he jumps back in that is incredible.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
That is hilarious.

Speaker 7 (31:42):
And we had a guy playing in a group with
our friends over at Calusa this past week, and you know,
he's actually calling Brandon like they're only giving me this
many shots and he's trying to like break it down
and go through it and just like the nerves and
everything else and getting you know, all worked up about
playing golf. And it's like, like Harry said, you guys
aren't doing this for a living. But that's the hardest part,

(32:04):
like realizing that, hey, this is supposed.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
To be a sports, supposed to be fun.

Speaker 7 (32:07):
If we go play pickle ball, you know, we're not
gonna throw the paddle at least.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
I want I'm out here because I enjoy myself, you know.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
But that's like a new Harry, right, Like didn't used
to get like Harry is just I need to subscribe
to the Harry. You know that Harry whatever whatever.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
We're calling whatever, I'm one Harry's that play this game
for a living. You had obviously j T with the
second place Bridgeman, who was you know, obviously the story
was in third uh TG TGL champion Billy Horschel with
the T four along with Bud Cawley and and Corey
Connors who just are at the top of the leaderboard,
and then Lucas Glover, Eric Cole, like you know, a

(32:46):
lot of a lot of guys Fleetwood. I think who
was the winner he was T sixteen, Nico who was
who was threatening was T sixteen and Xander right like
you're trying to see is he going to come back
to for him a guy who had that one of
the most one of incredible year last year but was
overshadowed by what Scotty did. But you know he is
he going to get it back after the injury. So yeah,

(33:07):
it's interesting to see some of the guys that are
up on that board.

Speaker 7 (33:10):
I had this thought with Bud Caley, like trending and
I know he's friends boys with JT and everything else.
I almost think that that helped JT out a little
bit by being like, wow, okay, like he's my boy.
I've played with him, like you know, we've played the
same style golf. Look at him coming back. I think
it kind of fed him a little confidence. I mean,
obviously that's just an assumption. But I think he's like, wait, okay,
let me, let me kind of focus back and you know,

(33:32):
get it together a little bit here.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah. I took JT at six am plus.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Seven hundred men Nico right, and Nico. I think Nico
was plus seven hundred and JT was plus seven fifty.
I took him both and was very distracted to see
j T make bogie on sixteen because yeah, I knew
it was I knew it was over.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, it's tough, but a good finish of the Florida Swing.
And then we had an extension of the Florida Swing
with t GL, which you know, listen, say what you want, right.
I think it exceeded expectations. I think for what it
was and not having any idea how it was going
to work, it really came together and it was compelling
and entertaining, and the guys seemed to really enjoy it.

(34:16):
And you had, you know, fireworks last night with Billy Horschel,
you know, draining that shot and going crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
And uh, it was an incredible putt.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
They're talking about expansion now, they're talking about maybe building
one of these in the West Coast and having you
know that. That's what I'm just curious about what happens now, like.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
For the next.

Speaker 6 (34:37):
Like you said, Na's first birthday party. I mean, what
are we using that facility for.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Right right?

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah? But the hammer usage? How about I like too,
Like they just changed the role.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
In the middle of the season because they thought it
would improve the game, and it cares. It's a made
up game that we're doing anyway.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
And it did help. It did immensely.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought it was great.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
And you know, I need to hear some of these
guys talk about it, you know how they started to
sort of get into it as the season moved along
and got more competitive, and I think that's really something
when we talked about it a couple of weeks ago
that you know, I was noticing that, like, these guys
are really into this now, and that made it a
more compelling watch.

Speaker 7 (35:19):
I think one of the things that I like, because
I was kind of in the beginning, I was like,
all right, like I think just the lack of competition,
you know, kind of it was like, all right, these
are blowouts, like sitting here watching, But I think I
started enjoying seeing the guy's personalities and stuff a little
bit more, the banter.

Speaker 6 (35:34):
I like like seeing them laugh.

Speaker 7 (35:36):
And I think even though they are well, you know,
they're all famous and they have that on the golf course,
they're now sitting in like a stadium with cameras and
all types of people. It's a different experience for them.
And seeing them like lean into it and just having fun.
I thought it was kind of cool. I enjoyed that aspect.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
I think I think a lot of the credit has
to go to the ESPN team and the production. Right
think about the comparison between the match and TGL. Right
have just as many people miked up during the match.
They have earbuds in BacT that you couldn't hear anything.
You're talking over each other. Yeah, in here, they're going
to people in real time after shots. They're they're they're
muting other people's mics. That team in those trucks. That

(36:14):
that made the production of it, like I thought it was,
it got better every week and even like you know,
last night, it's like they just were spot on. You
got your boy Marty Smith, you know, interviewing people the
whole time, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
As long as he just stops thanking them for their time.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Okay, I mean really.

Speaker 6 (36:33):
Thank you for your time.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Just do that off the mic, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, but yeah, and Matt Barry making a comparison to
Baton Rouge on a Saturday night. That's a bit of
a live golf over cell if you ask me.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
That was a little Harlow whiteish of him.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Come on, ye, yeah, it was good. It was really good.

Speaker 7 (36:54):
Excited to see any improvements or changes that they implement
for season two and you know, if there's restructuring of
the team and how that works and if the seasons longer.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
But I didn't like how they kind of forgot about
Lucas Glover last night.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
I thought it was all over.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I mean, you know, he was a part of a
couple of those uh you know, wins and stuff.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
He should have been right out there. Yeah, it's kind
of weird, definitely. All right, let's spill some tea.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
Wait, I want to talk about the Florida Spring swing
real quick, though.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
I know we talked about it, but I want to
know you guys take on it and if it's just
me because I'm down here, but like, is.

Speaker 6 (37:27):
There a room for improvement?

Speaker 7 (37:29):
It's basically all played at public courses TPC and Bay
Hell should never change. Obviously Bayhill because of Arnie and
you know TPC because it's just legendary. But is it
time to get away from PDA National and the copper
Head Course, like maybe get to some better courses in Florida.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
No, ever get away from the copper Head Course. That's
one of the best golf courses in the country. You think, yes,
that place is awesome.

Speaker 7 (37:51):
See I think like a lot of the players, I
think don't enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
They get their in there, that's why they don't enjoy it.
But even like the yield is a little weaker, like
I mean, well, because it's sandwiched in between those other
big events. That's the calendar kind of screws it. That's
like the old Honda they got screwed.

Speaker 7 (38:09):
Okay, So Harry wants to keep I love it in
his brook.

Speaker 6 (38:13):
He likes it.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I love the entire Florida Swing. I look forward to
it each and every year.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
And you like, you like the PJ National absolutely, So
you don't.

Speaker 7 (38:22):
Think like seeing something like Bare Lakes or Appage or
something a place that has like thirty six holes and you.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Knowing, fine, that'd be fine too, But I love it,
would like to Seminole.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
But well, yeah, yeah, no, no, don't.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, we're good. We don't need to.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Stick a grand stand out on the beach. Then you're
not touching that property with it.

Speaker 7 (38:44):
I know, like the PJ National and in his Brook.
You know, they're their public courses resort. Yeah, they're manufactured,
they're in good shape, they're overseateed, they're but they're fine.

Speaker 6 (38:54):
They present well. They get out the green spray paint
and make it look beautiful and stain my beautiful white shoes.
But you know, Darral was always such a great hose.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
They're coming back there. They're going back there.

Speaker 6 (39:03):
They are.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, they're gonna they're going to go back there.

Speaker 7 (39:06):
Okay, so is that going to be a new tournament
or is that going to say something?

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I think it's going to replace something not currently in
the Florida Swing. But you know, because remember that was
the Mexico event. The other Mexico Open kind of took
the Darral spot. Yeah, but they're going to eventually, they're good.
They're going to come find their way.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Back to Darrell.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Our guest Mikey, that was his first Monday que was Darrell?

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Was that right?

Speaker 3 (39:32):
And he was twenty one years old. Forgot to ask
him about that, but.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
Yeah, kild wow, gun, there have you played that? I
have no No, we need you guys to come do
the Florida Swing.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I know I'm going to do it next year, are you.
I'm going to go to every all four of the events.
I'm going to stay at my mother's place and I'm
going to spend the month.

Speaker 6 (39:51):
You could stay at our place when you're on this side.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
I can do that. I can.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, I got tons of spots in Jupiter.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
Actually you do.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
There's like three four beds that I Hey, we'll talk
to Mike.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
You just stay over at Admirals.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
We'll put you in the there you go.

Speaker 7 (40:07):
Yeah, all right, let's roll in this and tea, all right.

Speaker 6 (40:12):
You guys.

Speaker 7 (40:13):
Finally, Tiger Woods has made it public that he is
in a relationship with Vanessa Trump. Supposedly, the golf world
has known this for a little while. I have to
admit I didn't know it. But when I shared it
with some friends.

Speaker 6 (40:26):
They were like, everyone's known that, Like, it's finally just public.
Did you guys know this? I did not moose, did you?

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, just like a little bit before, Okay.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
You heard it? Yeah, yeah, but I.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Like, only like a week before.

Speaker 7 (40:43):
Yeah, it's love is in the air and life is
better with you by my side. We look forward to
our journey through life together. At this time, we would
appreciate privacy for all those close to our hearts.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Write that for you, Tiger, You're definitely gonna get yeah right.

Speaker 6 (41:01):
Yeah, I'm just like okay. So then I was like
immediately when I saw this.

Speaker 7 (41:05):
And then my my head went to Kai and Charlie
at the TGL a couple of weeks before, like sitting there,
I was like, because their parents are dating.

Speaker 6 (41:13):
Now, I was like, Oh, that's that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
I don't know if Wild Story.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Isn't that the name of Tiger's yacht.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
Privacy is it really?

Speaker 7 (41:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:23):
I think it is. Yeah, He's always looking for privacy.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Yeah yeah, well he took those pictures, That's what I
want to know.

Speaker 7 (41:31):
Yeah, right, and just like let's pose and just and
then some and then let's lay on the hammock like
this will be this will be our intro to our
relationship kind of funny. And then you see Don Junior
then all of a sudden just hammering social with photos
of him and his family and the rest of the
kids and how he's just out there and you know,

(41:54):
not in a relationship and just kind of you know,
focused on his children.

Speaker 6 (41:58):
But wild.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, she has history with Leonardo DiCaprio.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Did you know that really? Yeah, apparently they dated for
a very brief time back in the late nineties.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Well she probably she probably aged out for Leo very quickly.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Very quickly.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, the shelf it doesn't long milk class longer than that.

Speaker 6 (42:16):
Oh goodness. Yeah, oh that's crazy.

Speaker 7 (42:20):
All right, So moving on, Tommy Fleetwood is the first
player in PGA Tour history to surpass twenty five million
and encourse earnings without winning an event.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
Now, I told you Harry's been living rent free.

Speaker 7 (42:34):
In my head when I picked out, like any idea
or any you know, suggestion of picking Tommy, and I
just hear Harry saying, but he doesn't.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Win, and this is just to see one first.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, this is just proof.

Speaker 7 (42:46):
So twenty five million dollars earnings on the PGA Tour,
wins on the PGA Tour.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
It's impressive.

Speaker 6 (42:54):
It is zero.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, it is good for him. That is impressive.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
I'd love to see him win, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 6 (42:59):
But yeah, yeah, it's strong.

Speaker 7 (43:01):
Mental aspect with being able to just handle that and
finish within that top ten. But then somehow it kicks
in where you just you know, you don't have that
ice in your veins to close I guess.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
But I did laugh though, when I saw him at
the top of the board for that tournament last week,
I'm like.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
What, right, Yeah he was?

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Anybody taking that bet?

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yeah, I'll hold all.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
That action, right.

Speaker 6 (43:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (43:26):
I don't know if you guys saw this, but Charlie Hole,
I've made the decision to stop smoking.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
So she bet ten thousand dollars that she will quit.

Speaker 7 (43:35):
Smoking, so you can go and check out on social
that She's like, all right, I'm going to stop slaying
heaters on the course and in life in general.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
So probably start feel vape or something.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
Now it's not smoking.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
I wonder why, Like I wonder what the motivation is
is Is it for health reasons or just she think
she's been told to go to her.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
I think it got too much attention.

Speaker 7 (43:56):
Yeah, you know, I just wish she was thirty years younger,
so her and John Dalley could be the greatest couple
of all time.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Older older or he was younger.

Speaker 7 (44:05):
Yeah, yeah, oh my god, Yeah, he was younger, that
whole milk an allergy.

Speaker 6 (44:13):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 7 (44:17):
So and then Scottie, he just said, if we want
to figure out why the game of golf is not
back together, go ask those guys. So he's just you know, saying,
I don't want to talk about this anymore.

Speaker 6 (44:29):
I don't want to hear it's kind of an old story.

Speaker 7 (44:31):
So the same thing that we've been saying with with
Live in PGA.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah, I don't know if you have anything on this
Sage Valley Junior Invitational.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Danielle, I don't.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
Let's hear it.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Hair Well. That was the event held at Sage Valley,
which is like the Augusta of South Carolina. Apparently the
owner that was a really rich guy. He built walmarts,
like he was the construction guy that built all the
walmarts throughout the South and he's loaded. Tried to get
into Augusta National they denied him. So he said, you

(45:04):
know what, I'm going to go across the river and
I'm going to build my own. And he did it,
and they played this Junior Invitational there every year.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Apparently they've done it for a while.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Kai Trump was invited, okay, and she finished plus fifty
two through the four rounds of golf, which was DFL
and it was actually there was twenty four girls invited.
It's a very prestigious event for juniors, and the twenty
third place finisher was plus thirty, a whole twenty two

(45:35):
shots ahead of Young Kai. So I think Kai has
done a disservice by being invited to this because her
game is obviously not there yet.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
It's a shame.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
She was probably just brought in there to pump up
the event and get some press, and I feel bad
for her. Charlie Woods was also involved in the men's side.
They had thirty six players. He was plus eleven and
he finished twenty fifth out of the thirty six twenty five.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
But the winner was this Miles Russell kid.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
You remember when we talked about him last year when
he was in a he got an invitation into a
PGA event, he got an exemption. This kid shot nine
under par and he's the number one junior in the
country right now.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
And this kid's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
The kid who finished second is Jackson Bird spelled b
y r D, and you might remember his dad was
Jonathan Byrd, who played out of Clemson and was on
the PGA Tour for quite a long time. This kid
shot seven under par and signed on to play like
his dad at the University of Clemson last week too
for college golf. So we're going to give him a

(46:39):
shout out. And the women's winner, Aphrodite Dang from Canada,
seven under par. Some tremendous golf. Wow.

Speaker 7 (46:49):
So yeah, big dispersion from the top of the later
board down to the bottom.

Speaker 6 (46:54):
I mean you gotta.

Speaker 7 (46:55):
Think, like now, with this relationship, at least for the
time being and how long it lasts that you now,
Kai is going to get some of these nice little exemptions.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
You don't think this is forever, Danielle, you don't think
this is.

Speaker 7 (47:07):
It respect their privacy Harry exactly.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
I mean she can get great lessons from Tiger. She
should improve her game.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
So I hope she does.

Speaker 6 (47:17):
Yeah, because she just committed where.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
She Miami, going to the University of Miami.

Speaker 7 (47:22):
Yeah yeah, so hopefully she, you know, pulls it together
for some college.

Speaker 5 (47:27):
It's right, all right.

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Speaker 3 (47:42):
Harry. I'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
At Philly Cricket for the Truest Championship Media Day.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Looking forward that, Yeah, looking forward to that.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
That's going to be pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Nine o'clock I think it starts. We've got to bright
and early. Got to be over there about an hour
and a half, are you guys, and we'll get to
see a lot of people and you know, hopefully maybe
wrangle some guests for there.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
The last meeting day we attended, we got to play
the course in Wilmington, right, and then it rained. We
played with the great Howard correct, Yeah, two or three.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Holes, two or three holes and then the sky opened
up because I was there, of course. But that was
shortly after Howard, you know, recovered from that bike accident.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Remember that it was pretty bad. But yeah, that was
a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
I'm I'm told or you know, at least maybe I
invented this in my dreams, that we're gonna get an
opportunity to play the course but at a later date.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Okay, Okay, that's my understanding.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
So all right, well ask well, that'll be our first question.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
First question, opening question.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Excuse me, able, I don't have a question for mister Chipwood,
but I just want to know when can I come
back and play cricket.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Bag is in my trunk just so you know, right.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
Yeah, I got my bag, My buy my balls. I'm
ready to go.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
All right, Well, the Florida Swing is over and now
we head the Texas. The Texas Children's just didn't open.
There was a great set. I have to try to
find it. I know I retweeted it from by buddy
Jason Soble. But we have Rory and Scotty in the
field and they have combined to win a lot of
the events recently. I'm gonna try to find it. But

(49:27):
so you have Scotty at plus three fifty and Rory
at plus six fifty. That's the shortest I've seen two
together because they're playing in the same field obviously.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
But yeah, this will be an interesting one.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
This is like a lot of people the field is
looking is good because it's a nice tune up.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Right before Augusta.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
So Scotty Schefflin and Rory McElroy in this week's used
in open field. This is from Jason Soble in the
past thirteen months, there have been forty four official tournaments.
They've won eleven of them. The twenty didn't include either
in the field. This means they've combined to win nearly
half that at least one of them is played in.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Wow, that's domination.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Ye right, yeah, And then you look at the drop off.
I know we're going to see the line a little
bit later, but you said Drarty plus six fifty. The
next player I thought was Aaron Raye way down at
plus twenty eight hundred.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
A huge drop off.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
That's yeah, huge eight hundred. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
But let's talk about Memorial Park, the course of course
sponsored by our friends at the Penn Club on set.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
A lot of these guys look at this as their
final tune up for Augusta National because the golf course
sets up in a lot of similar ways. According to
you know, these players, they you can hit it. You know,
it's it's pretty forgiving off the tee. There's not a
lot of rough and the green complexes are the major defense.
So these guys really like to get this as a

(50:48):
tune up before Augusta in a couple of weeks. But yeah,
Memorial Park golf course a public place. It gets about
sixty thousand rounds a year, and local Houston residents can
pay somewhere around forty dollars to play.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
The place was.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Originally designed way back in nineteen thirty six by John Brettamus,
and then Tom dop came in in twenty nineteen with
a big renovation and that's the golf course you're seeing
this week. Brooks Kopka also consulted with Tom Dope on
the design of this thing. The greens, I said, are

(51:22):
the defense. Seven thousand square feet average size. They're pretty
big with Poeanna overseed fairways approaches in rough or all
rye grass overseed is going to pop really green. Only
twenty one bunkers on the entire property and two water hazards,
and they're in play on four of the holes. Some
of the closing holes sixteen and seventeen. Water is definitely

(51:43):
in play. The contours on the fairways and the greens
provide its main defense. That's a big Tom Dope thing
is these contoured fairways where you can get you know,
lies in the middle of the fairway, but you got
to you know, crooked lies you above your feet, below
your feet, that kind of thing. And according to to
Doe Kepka was was the guy who said, you know,

(52:04):
these crooked lies really bother us more, you know than
having bunkers. That's why they said, you know, we're gonna
go less than the bunkers, more on rough and some
crooked lies, and that's gonna torment these guys even more.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
There's a new tea on.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
The sixteenth that's been added at a little bit of length.
The fairways are thirty to forty yards wide, so pretty
generous off the tee second shot golf course the closing holes.
The par five sixteenth is six hundred and sixteen yards
at its length. Fairway moves left to right off the tee,
water all down the right side and surrounding an island

(52:39):
style green that's shaped like a bike seat.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
No bunkers on the hole at all.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
The par four seventeenth hole four hundred and five yards,
This fairway curves left to right, also with water all
down the right to a rhombus shaped green with two
bunkers short left and there's water right and then the
closing hole along par four over five hundred year yards
five hundred and three yards slight left to right from
the tee to green large bicycle seat shaped green with

(53:06):
two bunkers left and one on the right, and they're
gonna get rained down there for the first two rounds
of this this tournament. So the guys who are are mutters,
you know, might be guys you want to look at
to put in your fantasy lineups.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Tony Fenales had success here, right, he's.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
A win in twenty two. He has a a second
race round twenty four. Last year he had Stephen Yaeger
with the win. But there were a bunch of guys
that t tooed. It was d Tree Finale, Taylor Moore,
Scheffler and Toasty yep. So when you look to see
the line here, you know, female at that three thousand number,
you know, not terrible compared here's a guy who's won

(53:43):
it and as a second place, and you have you know,
JJ Spon and Aaron right ahead of them. But maybe
it's it's more too recent for him. Even Yeager, if
you take him in the top five, you think he
can get something backs at seven fifty. I think Maverick
McNeely here at five thousand, you have d Tree at
fifty five hundred for a big number. And then tell
more in a top ten for four hundred. So some
guys with some recent success here that could could come

(54:05):
into form.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Yeah, haven't you've used Maverick though already for one done,
haven't you?

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:09):
I need to see.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, I used Jaeger too, so he's out. I'm considering
Michael Kim for my one and done. He's just terrific
with his approach game and around the greens. I don't
know that there's any better guy going right now with chipping.
He's Joe Mayo has has really improved his chipping game.
His numbers are incredible, strokes gained around the greens, pretty

(54:31):
good putter and can drive it, you know, plenty long enough.
So Michael Kim plus one thirty in a top twenty,
plus thirty five hundred to win.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
He's been lurking.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Jacob Bridgeman, you brought up his name a little while ago,
plus one seventy.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
In a top twenty. What a fantastic putter he is.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
And jj Spawn we saw him, you know, get very
close just a few weeks ago top twenty at plus
one thirty and a couple of matchups like Novak over
Harry Hall at minus one twenty, Taylor Moore minus one
twenty over Grazerman and Michael Kim minus won twenty over Sung.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
J M.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Beautiful.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (55:08):
I was just looking at Tony because I was like, wait,
what has he done this this year? Century T fifteen
and then cut at the MX and Farmers T thirteen,
at AT and T pro Am Genesis T five and
then in March T thirty six at the R and
E plus three and then the Players he was cut
plus eight.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, he'll be a very popular pick on one and
done him and him and Aaron Rye are going to
be the two.

Speaker 6 (55:31):
He finish runner up last year.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Yeah, yeah, I just took Tony, did you?

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Yeah, but that's good. I like I have I have.

Speaker 6 (55:41):
Before I talk to you guys, because this influences my decisions.

Speaker 7 (55:43):
But last week I was like, wait, they both have
Corey worst I could like be same numbers as them,
Like should I just take Corey Lucas? And then like
all week I was like watching.

Speaker 6 (55:55):
Him go and I was like, huh see what this does?
He does? I got, you know, my picks in before
we talk to you guys.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Pretty soon you'll be cursing these guys and you know,
adding it on the text chain.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
This guy blows.

Speaker 6 (56:09):
Harry. I wish you would spiral give us more like.
I love the Harry text when he's like this person
this that like. I get your enjoyment. I love my
group chat text.

Speaker 7 (56:21):
With you guys, and my messages from Harriet gives me
a little bit of life when you know it might
be five hours after he texts it that I see.

Speaker 6 (56:27):
It, but still gives me, still gives me a little
gig ale. I enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Good love.

Speaker 7 (56:32):
Well.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
Thanks to Mike Milisia for hopping on. Make sure you
follow him on the socials. Great great insights that you
can get. And Harry, I'll see you tomorrow and you
have a whiss saic of course, looking forward as we
inch ever closer to the Masters two weeks away.

Speaker 6 (56:44):
So we're at Augusta yesterday.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
He's grind and he's looking for that green jacket. Man,
he's looking for that green jacket. All right, we'll talk
next week.

Speaker 5 (56:53):
Thanks for listening, but listen, swing it and ding it