Swing It & Ding It: Episode 223

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
I just got to get out there and swing and
ding it.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, you know, just I guess it's going to go
out there and try to swing it and ding it.
Good morning and welcome to Swing It and Ding It,
Episode two twenty three of the Swing and Ding It
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(00:50):
Access GTE. I am Harry Mays along with Danielle Matthews.
We got no moose this week. He'll be back with
us next week, but we are still in full instruction
mode here on Swing It and Ding It. And we
love big names and big brands within the game of golf,
and we especially love when they come back and join
us for a second or third time.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
And this guy checks all three of those boxes.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
And he is the newly named twenty twenty five PGA
National Teacher and Coach of the Year. He's been Golfdigesting,
golf dot com top fifty teacher. He's the director of
instruction at Beautiful Jupiter Hills.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
He's a coach to players on.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
The PGA Tour, a Live Tour, Asian Tour, Corn Faery Tour,
and even some collegiate players. That is a mouthful and
Jason Baale, welcome again to swing it and ding it.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
How are you today?

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I'm awesome. Thank you so much for having me again.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Absolutely, Jason, how many more things are you going to do?

Speaker 5 (01:48):
So we can make that intro a little bit longer.

Speaker 6 (01:52):
I really just want you to keep saying that twenty
twenty five PGA National Teacher and Coach of the Year.
That's the one I get the most joy out of.
I can say that anytime you want.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
It's almost like Tiger being introduced at the Tour Championship
that year, and then Phil's just finally said, all right, all.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Right, yeah, you can almost quick run to the restroom
and come back and there's still, you know, rattling off
his accolades. It's funny, but Jason, Jason's the Tiger of
instruction exactly.

Speaker 6 (02:19):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 6 (02:21):
I'm just I'm happy just to be mentioned in a
group that has some really cool names on it, that's
for sure.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Jason, I know that was you know, something that was
so special to you is being amongst that very impressive list.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:38):
I kind of intentionally over the last couple of years,
after I thought we would we had an opportunity to
be worthy of it. My resume was growing, and I
kind of like shot away from looking at the actual
list of names until after it was announced. And once
it was announced, I went back and looked at it.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
And you know, when you're on a when you're on.

Speaker 6 (02:59):
A list with Harvey Pennock and Jim McLean and David Ledbetter,
you know, not to mention some of the some of
the more modern guys that I think the world of,
like Todd Anderson, Cameron McCormick, Mark Blackburn, I mean, you know.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Martin Hall. It's just it's it's incredible to.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
Kind of look back at that and uh and think
that you get to join them. Uh. And you know,
especially for somebody like me who just grew up. But
you know, really I admired coaches almost more than I
admired players. So, you know, one of my mentors was
Jack Lumpkin, and I certainly enjoyed my time that Jack
would spend with me, and so I was always enamored

(03:36):
with the coaches more so than the players. So to
join a list with those guys on it is just
really really special to me.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, that's really impressive.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Now it's been about what two months or so since
it was announced back in January at the PGA Show.
Has there been in any effects, you know, since you
got this new title.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
I mean, he's a line behind them.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, it's uh.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
I knew it would come with some responsibility obviously, Uh,
you know, so we were ready for that.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Danielle has certainly helped me with that.

Speaker 6 (04:08):
It's uh, it's you know, I already had a busy
schedule this year with UH, with tour travel and then
and then my job at Jupiter Hills and then what
we do in the South Florida PGA section and UH
and the national level to kind of mentor and help,
so this is only added to it. But I think
it's also taken some kind of some pressure off.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
You can you can sit back.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
A little bit, and and everybody understands. Uh. I think,
especially at the club and with my players, that that
there's a there's a certain sense of obligation to you know, uh,
wearing the title, so to speak. So I think everybody's
understood there's a stretch on my time. I know my
family certainly has. They've been awesome about it. H And

(04:49):
even though there's there's a ton that goes with it
and we've only just gotten started, it's been fun to
kind of give that back and to understand that. I
asked some really close friends of mine right when it happened,
and I thought, I got a great piece of advice
from a good friend, Matt Wilson, who's up in baltsis roll,
and I said, what do you think, how do you
think I should handle this? And he said, I think

(05:10):
you should be the National Teacher of the Year and
not become the National Teacher of the Year. And I
thought that was great advice. In a simple way.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Is that that you know, I.

Speaker 6 (05:19):
Just need to be who I am and what got
me here and not try to change my personality or
the way I do things just because.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
The PGA of America and the awards committee think I'm
worthy of this award.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
So that's what I've really been trying to do is
just kind of be a redneck Jason and and and
kind of roll with it.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
I love that, Jason, that's so great.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
I'd like for you to kind of add a little
bit more color to what you said your schedule looks like,
because some of these people listening.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
Have no idea.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
I'm a little you know, I know a little bit
of your schedule, but you know you're you're sitting at
the rail right now for the live or you know,
you were just with Lucas prepping for the Masters. You
gave but a lesson, you have got one, corn fairy.
What does the typical week or maybe even a day
with Jason look like, balancing all these guys on all
these different tours, trying to say hi to your wife
and daughters, you know, maybe getting into the gym at

(06:11):
four am, like let them know what your schedule absolutely
consists of.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
That's a good one.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
Well, first of all, let's start with the fact that
even though I love tour players, they are not good.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
At scheduling things. Okay, that's where they have around.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
Yeah, I'm not absolutely so it's always, you know, it's
always a text, you know, the night before, Hey, what
do you got tomorrow? You have any time? And I'm
usually completely booked. One of my assistants, Morgan Bowen, helps
me a ton with that. We hide these little places
in my schedule during the day so if a member
calls and just has to get in.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Or tour player calls, we we skip lunch, we come
in early.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
We just say generally that's called lunch. Jason, Yes, so.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
We do what we have to do.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yees.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
So I like to get in.

Speaker 6 (06:57):
Early on Sunday if I can, and then be able
to get to the golf course on site on a
Monday morning instead of trying to fly in on Monday.
Usually when I've flown in on Monday, I just feel
rushed the whole day to get to the golf course,
especially if I have multiple players on site, and then
Monday's just kind of checking in with everybody. Tuesday is
a little bit more hardcore prep for the week with

(07:19):
each player. Wednesday, you're balancing who's playing in the pro
am and what time they're playing. Could you want to
get on the golf course with as much as possible. Obviously,
during a pro am situation. Uh, there's a lot going on,
so you know you're gonna you're gonna, you're gonna be
a little bit of a relief or a little bit
of buffer sometimes for the player in the caddy. And

(07:40):
then on Wednesday night, I fly back out, get up
in the morning on Thursday, go back to Jupiter Hills
and work with our membership or whoever's in town on Thursday,
Friday and Saturday. And then on Sunday I get to
play with my family if I'm really lucky, before I
have to fly out again. So we have a we
kind of have some rituals we try to do during
the season to make sure that the uh we get

(08:00):
to church and brunch and all the little things.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
We want to do as a family. Uh.

Speaker 6 (08:04):
Hopefully the boat gets involved in that soon because that's
been a that's been a missing component of my family
life here recently.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Uh. But yeah, that's and then we just kind of
on Monday morning, we've run at it back again.

Speaker 6 (08:14):
So uh, I enjoy to travel, to be honest with
he doesn't bother me at this point. It's a it's
an incredible honor to to be able to be in
the arena each and every week on golf courses that
I've watched the PGA Tour play, you know for years,
or a place here like Durra Alpher lived this week
that I you know, I watched.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Tiger went on, you know, Jack went on.

Speaker 6 (08:36):
It's it's a really cool situation to walk around in
these wonderful arenas and be a part of that ecosystem.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, very cool, very busy, scheduled, to say the least. Man,
I had no idea it was that that involved. But uh,
props to your family for, you know, for supporting you
know this, because they don't get much of that time
right now. But with regards to the professional players, how
much of your time are you more of a coach
or a psychiatrist or is it about fifty to fifty.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Depends on the day, It depends on the player.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
Okay, I had a couple other properties.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
Yeah absolutely. I just I like the term coach. You know,
I grew up wanting to be a coach. So I
think I try to coach human beings. I don't try
to coach the golf swing, and I don't try to
coach golfers. I try to coach the human being that's
in front of me at the time, and that human
being changes it.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Just like any of us.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
I have a couple of players that can be in
a mood here or there, and I can tell when
something's a little off, and I can tell when I
need to shift how I talk to them or the.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Information that I need to give them in that arena.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
I mean, these guys are going through life, and they're
doing their job while they're going through.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Life, no different than any of us.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
They just have TV cameras on them and magazine editors
wanting their attention, and other players and agents, and they've got,
you know, this ecosystem of equipment, reps and everything that
goes on with that.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
So you know, obviously throw the family in there.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
And so've You've got to make sure that you're really
listening and really watching the player's body language to know
when the right time to say something is.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
And I call it letting them bleed a little bit.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
Sometimes when they're when they're not in a position or
not in a place that they're going to listen to
my information, it's probably best for me to hold that
information back and wait for till they are.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
What are some of those cues, like, how do you identify.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
That I could usually tell each player is kind of different.
I can tell by like while they're warming up, whether
they're watching their golf ball fly or not, whether their
head goes down really quickly, whether they let go of
the club really quickly.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Are they being diligent in what they're doing.

Speaker 6 (10:49):
I've seen the best in every player that I coach,
and I've i've seen the not so best, and so
I can kind of discern the difference between each player
and when they're ready to listen when they're not. You know,
take Lucas for example, I just know that when he
when he'll I ask him something, what do we need
to do better this week? And he gives me his
report on that I've already talked to his caddy a

(11:10):
little bit. And so between the between those two minds,
I get something back from them that leads me down
a path of what's the narrative going to be for
the week? What's kind of the theme of the week
going to be? From a from a thought process standpoint,
these guys are great players, it's their techniques their technique,
but where are they in the moment? What are they

(11:32):
concerned about each week? Per the different golf course they're playing.
Is a golf course that suits them? Is the golf
course that doesn't you know? Some week, some weeks, making
the cut is a win. Some weeks, you know, making
the top fifty is a win. Some weeks, making the
top twenty five's a win, and so on and so on,
just depending on the player and the golf course in
the state of their game that week.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
Well, Jason, I mean you just teed this up completely.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
You were talking about Lucas, You're talking about what we're
working on. Making the cut is incredible. That just tease
us up for Lucas Glover and the Masters. Lucas has
had just such an incredible resurgence. We saw you post
yesterday with him in a lesson, So how are you
preparing with him, you know and kind of prepping for.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
The unique challenges of Augusta.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
What has kind of his cues been to you and
what is the key to his success leading yeah, up
to Augusta.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
So he took last week off, spent some time with
the family. He and his wife went to New York
City just to get away. No golf club so he'd
be refreshed.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
So he texted me, is a you know, no clubs
going to New York City. See you on Monday.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
Master's prep start. So I was like, great, because I
love it when he's engaged like that. He's already he's
already got his schedule and his planning going. Of course,
he's forty five years old. Some of my other guys
not quite so much, but he's really ready to go.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
So we got.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
Together on Monday morning. We started with short game. We
had been working on something with the putter and his
setup and just how he was rolling, which he's done
a phenomenal job over the last couple of weeks ever
since Pebble. Actually when we made a little adjustment in
his in his putting setup which may had the putter
working a little bit better on an arc. And then
from there we I asked to some short shots around

(13:10):
the green. I said, okay, what do we You've played
Augusta enough times. What do we need to do better
around the greens at Augusta? And he said, slightly into
the green, higher lofted shot over a bunker, kind of
to a short short.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Flag on those firm greens.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
You know, how do we how do we stop the
ball closer to the hole basically, and Lucas has a
really really good short game. I wouldn't call it elite
okay at this level, but but it's really good. And
there's a couple of shots like that that I think
he does need to get better at. And so we
worked on a little bit of technique. It was really funny.
Peter Yueleine, who I coach, is really elite around the greens,

(13:48):
and he doesn't have a whole lot of set to.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
The golf club going back, so there's not a lot.

Speaker 6 (13:51):
Of risks set on a on a short pitch shot,
and so I really wanted Lucas. It's actually kind of
like something I've wanted him to do for about three
years now, but it became his idea a little bit
because we needed this shot, and so I had him
not set the golf club at all.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
I said, can you point your thumbs down all the
way back and open the face.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
Let's speed your body up to add some height and
spin instead of you trying to do it all with
your wrists and hands.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
And so he tried it.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
A couple of times and I was like, no, you
got to do it more.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
And he took us. He took it back there and
he pointed the shaft down like this. He said like this,
and I said, yeah, exactly like that.

Speaker 6 (14:25):
He goes, I feel like a terodactyl, and so I said, okay,
do the terodactyl.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yea. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (14:33):
He hits the first shot and the bottom of the
swing is so much different, and he looks at me
and goes, oh my god, that was awesome, and I
was like, more terodactyl. So the whole morning we were
going terodactyl taradactyls. Yes, exactly, and so he was so
excited about it, which to get a forty five year
old major champion excited about something was really cool.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
And so we did Yeah, we did that. He went
worked out at eleven with with Colby Turier.

Speaker 6 (14:58):
I had budd for some San Antonio prep.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
He was getting ready to leave, and.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
Then Lucas back that afternoon and we started working on
Lucas has been striking it really well.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
He doesn't hit it particularly high.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
We're going to have to hit some longer clubs than
other players into green. So we're actually working on launch angle,
peek height, and how that ball would descend into the green.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
So what we call landing angle.

Speaker 6 (15:21):
How could we get the most out of every golf
club while it's still being able to stop on a green.
So we went through the bag kind of rehearse some
play calls of what we might do during the week,
because one interesting thing about Augusta for coaches is we
can't have our phones on the range, so we can't
film golf swings, and then we also cannot walk. It's

(15:41):
the only place that we can't walk inside the ropes
during practice rounds. So the communication level has to be
at its highest for player and coach that week because
you're going to have to get stuff done without looking
at a video and without actually being able to be
inside the ropes like we are every week on a Monday, Tuesday,
Wednesday at actually seeing the shots, right.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Plus there's a ton of.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
People, so like we'll usually walk a couple of holes,
but you're not going to get to see what you
normally see week in and week out. So the communication
between coach and player and caddy that week has to
be at the highest level.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
All right, So you're trying to simulate, you know, short
game shots around those green complexes, but given the fact
that you just said that you can't you know, walk
with them during the week, and there's no phones and
so forth. With the uniqueness of that property. Are there
certain approach shots that you try to simulate in practice,
you know, to you know, with the curvature of that

(16:34):
land and you know, maybe even shaping certain tea shots
that you know he's going to face the tenth hole
and you know, sof got to go way left, and
do you try to do that.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
In this time?

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Oh? Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (16:47):
As we get closer to the actual event, we will
start running through the playbook, so to speak, of ta shots.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Okay, what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
One?

Speaker 3 (16:55):
What are we doing? Two?

Speaker 6 (16:56):
You know, if you've played there at all in the Masters,
all right, then you have your lines, Okay, everybody knows
kind of the lines.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
The lines off the teas, you.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
Know, obviously will change a little bit as they move
the tea boxes per year, like eleven's obviously changed, eighteen's changed,
but most of them are. Once you got your lines,
now it's about where's your your launch direction, where you're
going to start this golf ball, which way are you
going to curve it?

Speaker 3 (17:21):
And so you have to refine those.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
Then you have your approaches into the green per pen
placements as well.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
You know, Lucas is primarily a drawer of.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
The golf ball, but we still have to have something
that holds a certain wind or something that actually works
left or right to either hold the green or to
access the flag when needed. So, yeah, those are those
are things we rehearse. We'll rehearse them in Jupiter. Then
we'll get there Monday and we'll continue to rehearse. He'll
go play, he'll come back. Hey, we need we need

(17:51):
this shot needs to be a little bit better. And
we just keep running the same plays until it's time
for game time.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
Now, Jason, taking it away from Masters, where you're not
allowed to have a phone on property, take it back
to Jupiter Hill's Performance center where you have an elite
setup to put it modestly. Talk about some of the
trends or innovations and you know in golf right now,
and what you're using, what you're excited about, and what
kind of helps you with your players.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, so I've been you know, we use TrackMan.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
We also have Bushnell Launch pros that we use for
a lot of short game shots things like that for
ball and club data. Love the ease of carrying the
Bushnell Launch Pro out there. Uh, that's been fun. Obviously,
you know, TrackMan's been a big part of our launch.
Monitors in general have been a big part of golf
coaching for quite some time now. Swing Catalyst is our

(18:44):
force play company and our software.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Company that we've been using.

Speaker 6 (18:47):
But we're really excited about some new technology from a
company called Fenderist out of Germany. It's called Motion to Coach.
I haven't in the bay right now. I actually had
been putting Lucas on it not too long ago because
I know Lucas's three D data pretty well and they
needed to see, you know, from from what I've been
using with with k Motion to to what Fenris and

(19:09):
Motion to Coach are offering.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
And it was really really really.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
Cool, uh to to see what Fenris and Motion to
Coach are coming out with Marcos three D at a
medical grade level, which has been fantastic. So we're really
excited to dig into it. I can use it, I
can't drive it very well, so I need to work
with my.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Driving skills of it.

Speaker 6 (19:29):
They were by not too long ago helping you with
driver's head of.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Of how to use this in a lesson.

Speaker 6 (19:35):
But the data is remarkable with with hand speed, clubhead
speed kinematic sequence, all the tilts and bins of the body,
the trace of the club head, the grip. It's some
phenomenal stuff that I'm really looking forward to spending some
time with this summer.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Now let's go to the amateur side. When you take
them in there with all that technology, what's the most
common swing flaw that you seem to to find with
amateur players.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
Uh, most of the time it's they don't do the
ordinary things extraordinarily. Well, so, I I hate it. That'll
probably be on my headstone. But you know, there's just
I was.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
I was lipping it with you.

Speaker 6 (20:18):
You know, does their grip and club face matchup? Are
there tilts and bins correct? Is the ball position in
the right spot?

Speaker 3 (20:24):
You know?

Speaker 6 (20:25):
Uh, you know, just these little things that aren't sexy
enough for Instagram posts but really do make a difference.
It's amazing, you know. We we have a saying at
Jupiter Hills, no one gets worse from setting up better.
And it never ceases to amaze me when you when
you get when you get somebody organized before they start
to swing, and you really put an intent of a
shot shape into their mind.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
How many things can just get better.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
And and it's you know, it's it's cool to talk
about shallowing out the club and uh, you.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Know ap force and you know where's the force back.
All that stuff's really cool.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
But uh, but if you don't have those ordinary things,
don't extraordinarily well, I don't see how any of that's
pertinent to helping you play better every weekend. I think
some of the things that we use that are that
are really important for us from a technology I mean
it's technology, but at a at a different level is
is you know, the stats stuff we do is swing
you has been unbelievable having our having our our players

(21:22):
actually record their stats and a program with swing you
that allows us to go back in and actually look
at where they're losing strokes. We use coach now, so
we build swing lockers for everybody.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
That's all under the Golf Genius umbrella.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
And I think those pieces of technology just recording what's
going on on the golf course because we're the only
coaches at a at a club level that are only
at some of the practices and we're hardly ever at
any of your games. You know, I'm I'm at a
lot of practices for tour players, and I'm at some
of their games, you know, but I'm not.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I'm not even at their games all the time.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
So you're relying on a lot of feedback both from
player caddie between you app to guide you on how
you're trying to get better.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Daniel's got some rapid fire here coming up, and I
wanted to get one morning here about one of.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Your other players.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Bud Cawley has playing some terrific golf. His stats are
through the roof. He's had some great finishes here recently.
He's in the event this week in San Antonio.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
He's my one and done player.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
By the way, you might want to text him that,
but talk about your journey with him, like when did
you get involved with him, and how gratifying it is
for you to see him playing the way he is
right now.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
Well, first and foremost, Bud's a great human being, good dad, husband,
He's just a cool guy, even though he's an Alabama guy.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
But it's been about a year now.

Speaker 6 (22:45):
I remember actually through Peter, Peter had said that Bud
asked for my number last year and.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Reached out.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
And I've always admired Bud's golf swing and his ability
to play, just gotten into some bad habits. We've just
kind of like put him back to gather a little bit,
you know, when you don't play for that long and
you've gone through some injuries like he had, he had
just gotten into some bad habits. So we've just kind
of been slowly plugging away at his takeaway at the
top of his back swing, just not hutting the golf

(23:12):
club fan too far open in the takeaway, which God
even kind of lifted it across the.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Line at the top.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
And Buds, like I've said before, Bud's really neutral. So
if you if you actually look at him standing there,
even from an elite coaching standpoint, it's hard to tell
if he's a drawer or a fader. Like a lot
of guys, you can actually watch me, and this guy's
gonna fade it.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
This guy's going to draw it.

Speaker 6 (23:33):
Bud's kind of at his best when he's kind of
this zero guy and then he shapes the ball both
ways on the golf course.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
And so that's a wonderful talent.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
To have, but you also got to be careful that
because when you do that, you very rarely have kind
of one miss and and you know, that's that's when
it can get a little sketchy.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
As a coach.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
You got to make sure that we still you know,
we have these bread crumbs back to if we miss it,
we're only going to miss it here. And so I
think that's been fun journey for he and I both
in our in our relationship, just getting better as coach
and player. Is trying to talk that through and get
to that point because it's a superpower to be able
to move the ball both ways as easily as he can,
but it can also work to your to you know,

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disadvantage if you're not paying attention on making sure that
we need to have that one kind of miss.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
Thanks for sharing that, Jason. This is really great.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah, our listeners are going to be so excited for
this episode, Jason. As Harry said, I'm going to do
a rapid fire. This is the first time we've done it.
I'm going to have a timer here. We're going to
give sixty seconds. I need you to be as diligent
and quick as possible with a one word answer.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
Try not to think about it too much.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. Message I go way
off the rails.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Fun in rapid fire short answers, one word preferred, get
through as many as we can, one minute on the clock.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Are you ready, I'm ready? All right, let's go hardest
shout at.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Augusta eighteen T shot.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
Who's got the best short game on tour right now?

Speaker 4 (25:11):
JT one drill every golfer should be doing but probably isn't.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
That's a left hand only golf swing with right parm off, even.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
If you're not hitting a golf ball all the way through.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
The most misunderstood part of the golf swing.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
The top favorite club in your bag.

Speaker 6 (25:36):
If you could steal one, Scottie Cameron Potter, shout out.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
If you could steal one player swing from any era,
whose would it be?

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Tom Pertzer, Lift Team Event.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
Or Ryder Cup which is a better format, Ryder Cup
one hole in Augusta.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
You'd love to redesign eight golf walk song.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Authority song by John Couger Mellencamp.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
Yes, and that is our time. We didn't get through
all of them, but they were great answers.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
That was fun.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
I love we got John Cougar Mellencamp. That's terrific.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
There's even four digits on the clock there.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, we really enjoyed this man. Thanks so much for
taking time out of that incredibly busy schedule to join us.
Best of luck to you and all your guys in
the coming weeks, and we'll talk to you down the road.
I'm sure you, Danielle'll probably be talking to you maybe tomorrow.
Thanks so much.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Having me really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
All right, all right, we'll take a quick time out
and be back with a whole lot more. We got
a lot to discuss here, Danielle, starting off with some
tea on the other side. All right, welcome back to
swing it and ding it, and so great to spend
some more time with Jason bale Man. We started asking
him about, you know, how he coaches his players, whether

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it be an amateur or a tour player or whatever.
And you hear how he works with each individual. You
can see why. You know, he's named the coach and
Teacher of the Year by the PHA.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
You know, it's just incredible.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Oh yeah, and Harry sharing his schedule like I don't
even know if it was there was enough color added
to that. This man's schedule is so wildly busy and
I've seen it, like he said him and were going
to carve out. Sometimes it's like he's lucky if he
gets to quick stop in his office and take a
bite of a sandwich or a sip of water or whatever,
and he's just he cares. He's so passionate, and.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
We didn't even get into it. He has a full
mentorship program.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
He's always welcoming, you know, students, you know, the students
of the teaching game that you know are aspiring teachers
and instructors. He's always welcoming and welcoming, welcoming. Can't say
that this morning them to Jupiter Hills Like he's just
a fantastic guy, fantastic coach.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
It's just it was great. Great.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when
he starts working with Lucas on the Gusta prep next week.
That would be something to just tell you, you know.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yeah, So I posted a story that of him and
Lucas like he was describing other working on trajectory and
everything else.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
But it's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
And it's sometimes challenging for me because I've all these
coaches sending me stuff and I'm looking at all these
different two ways and I'm like, there's no way in
this life that I can even have action like that.
Even when he said with lucas you know, and the
pterodactyl trying to point the thumbs down, I'm sitting here
trying to take it back, and I'm like, how do
you how do you even?

Speaker 5 (28:29):
You know?

Speaker 1 (28:29):
It sounded like he was sort of describing the way
Jason Day and Steve Stricker do it with no wrist
hinge with the short game shots.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
But when he said like terodactyl, I love it, yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
And thumbs facing down, I was like, wait, how do
I do that? I was trying to take it back.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
So interesting, That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well, this is going to try the pterodactylste I'll be
doing that as soon as we get done here. But
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All right, balls with a Z to time for some
tea with d How about this?

Speaker 5 (29:13):
We got doctor Seuss in the house.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Tiger a lot of people were, I mean, if they're golible,
they were a little uh frustrated with him. He had
a little April Fol's Day joke where he's like, hey, like,
you know, my Achielles is fine. I've been you know,
in the gym lifting bla blah, and I'm committed. I'm
playing the Masters. And then he said just kidding.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, you know what, it doesn't even work with me
anymore when it comes to him. That's what's sad about it,
you know what I mean, I'd love to have been fooled,
but it's like, no, I'm not buying that right.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
I didn't either.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
I saw it and I was like, okay, and I
didn't even realize it was like April, but I just knew.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
I was like, all right, this isn't whatever.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Well it's so bad. Temple had a player, a basketball
player d commit yesterday on April four Day, and some
people were actually thinking was an April Fool's joke.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Now I know better, Oh my god, it wasn't. Actually no,
it wasn't, and I knew it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
There's no way it's that bad with the basketball program
that you don't even fall for that anymore. Oh, yeah,
that's funny.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
Though everyone's like, hey, just kidding. He's actually, oh that's funny.
I didn't see that news. That's some good basketball news.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
If I'm on my deathbed and my kids have to
say two time Masters champion, then I'm a bad dad.
Bubba Watson recently shared with golf dot Com how much
of the Masters means to him, especially since twenty twelve
and fourteen coincided with the adoptions of both of his children.
He was saying, like him and his son Caleb had
hoped to compete in the P ANDC Championship, but obviously

(30:45):
with the move to live that prevents him from playing.
But pretty cool golf dot Com interview with him, and
I'm not the biggest fan of Bubba, but this kind
of humanized him a little bit.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
He was reflecting on his legacy, saying.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
You know, he never wants his kids to obviously measure
his success when he retires, but maybe rather the example
he sets through hard work and everything else. So at
forty six, he's still motivated to compete in Augusta and
chase another green jacket. But I think the interview was
was cool. Like I said, it provided kind of another
look at him. So if you guys have some time,

(31:19):
want to check out that interview, It's on golf dot com.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
But yeah, I'll definitely check that out. I'm sort of fascinated.
It's always been kind of fascinated by him because he
was always a player to me that emotionally was on
the edge at all times, like he could lose it,
like you know, any second, you know, and then go
out and hit the greatest, you know, two iron you've
ever seen. And just watching that guy with his homemade

(31:41):
swing just be.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Able to shape balls.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
You talk about Augusta National and obviously you know he's
won there multiple times, but to watch him on that
golf course, I was able to do it, and it
is something to see him shape golf ball. So you know,
I was always kind of fascinated by him.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
Yeah, and for and I like, you know, when players
have the opportunity, because it's easy for us from the couch,
you know, watching TV or or looking at a scorecard
on the app, to you know, make judgment or anything
about any of these guys.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
Unly they sit.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Down and they tell you, you know, like like Jason
was saying, they're they're just guys.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
Going and doing their job. They're just playing.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
It's not like it's you know, sorry, I got distracted
by my add here.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, the change of scene here.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
Wow, yeah yeah. I was like, what kind of show
are we on?

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Now, let's let's reverse this powers Danielle should be in
the big box and me in.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
The small box.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
No, no, I like it best for ratings.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
I was just looking at the Frankie darcel I was like, okay,
we're yeah, on an after hours show.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
That's fine. There, We'll keep rolling, all right. Mort Mort
industry update.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Tiger Woods expands the TGR Learning Lab to Philadelphia. So
Tiger Woods has officially opened his second TGR Learning Lab
in Philadelphia, marking a.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Major investment in youth education.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
It said it's at Cobbs Creek Campus in West Philly.
So thirty thousand square foot facility provides free stem based
program for students grade one through twelve, focusing on robotics, engineering,
artificial intelligence. Expected to serve forty five hundred plus students annually,
obviously prioritizing those in the surrounding community. So just you know,

(33:21):
this expansion just as showing Tiger's commitment to you know,
the young people through education and skills and opportunities and
kind of underserved areas. So I thought it was cool
that it hit Philadelphia and you know, second one there
and at Cobbs Creek West.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
I thought that was pretty cool. Shout out for us locally.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Absolutely, I mean that was a big part of this
whole renaissance and rebirth of the Cobbs Creek property, which
you know, we've got the gil Hants Golf course going in.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Now and you know, they're invisioned.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
They envisioned that to be a site for the PGA
Tour to visit one day. I don't know if it
would be an annual thing or just every once in
a while coming to Philly like they're coming to the
you know, Truest is coming to Cricket Club for a
one off, but that would be a spot where I
know that they envision being able to hold events.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Like that, so which would be awesome.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
I'm hoping for extreme success here at the Truest so
we can you know, people can see how great photo
Offhia Golf is, how great the courses are, and hopefully we.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
You know, get some more events and some more play there.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Yeah, a little light on the tee. I didn't fill
the cup all away this week here, so we can dive.
We can dive into the I'm in Savannah.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, absolutely, we'll get to that too.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
But Moose and I were actually out there at Cricket
Club last Thursday. I think it was for the media
day for the Truest Championship and very cool event, and
it got to get a little bit of a look
at the golf course. It was so cold, like they
offered you to go out in a golf cart and
sort of take a tour.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Around some of the holes. It was so cold.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Danielle even I refused. I'm really yeah, because it was
cold to stand out. The wind was blowing and you've
seen I know, but I haven't seen it with this.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Kind of a buildout. They had to build out.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
There for the Senior Tour event years ago.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
But this is going to dwarf that.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I mean because this you know, this is obviously the
top seventy players in the world.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
And yeah, well, what are some of the changes they've made, Harold, Like,
what were they talking about?

Speaker 5 (35:15):
How's the course going to look different? Set up?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
They're going to rout it, They rout it differently. I
believe they're starting on eight and they're finishing on seven,
and I believe that's even a different routing from when
the seniors were there. You can't finish on eighteen for
an event like this with grand standing on for you. Yeah,
I mean eighteen is such a classic hole and I
get it, but for this kind of stuff with build

(35:40):
out and you know, they want to keep the start
and the finish as close to the driving range as possible,
you know, because these guys are you know, hitting potts
and chips and whatever right up until they're tea time,
So they got to boom right on the tee and
then when they when they leave there, they're right over
there as well. So it's going to be a different routing.
But man, I can't wait. That's gonna be. That's going
to be an incredible event here coming.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Up in just a few weeks.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
But we had an incredible event last week on the
tour down in Houston, and we got a new winner
on the PGA tour, a guy that the media media's
loving him for the last couple of years of courds
he was involved in TGL and the whole let Him
Cook things sort of took on a life of its
own here over the last year two dress chef chef's

(36:22):
hats and all this kind of stuff social media. He's
a darling there. Well, he finally got his first win
on the PGA Tour. It's his fifth win as a
pro though. He's because he had what three on the
dp World Tour, including the Scottish Open, which is a
pretty big event, and then he had one on the
Asian Tour leading up to this. Because I was, you know, explained,
you know, to my wife, like why did these guys

(36:45):
make it act like he's never won before, He's never
won on the PGA two but he knows how to success,
like he's had success at a pretty high level, you know,
and you know, so the then they finally started to
mention that as he was closing in on what was
going to be his first PGA Tour win twenty under
par shot a final round sixty seven, which is three
under for the par seventy.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
He entered the.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Day with a four shot lead over Alejandro Toasty who
was in his group. We got to talk about that
and five shots clear of Fox who was in his group,
and Scotty Scheffler was lurking five shots back, and we got.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
And Gary, Yeah, narrow win overtop competitors.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
So and in just watching I felt bad for Gary
just seeing him on the range.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
And then once he you know, I was rooting for
him so hard and just in his face though, because
he's on the range, like, you know, stay more.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
And then he sees that they're not going no playoff
and he was just like yep, all.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Right, Like I he made that eagle on sixteen and
got you know, it was a that was a great moment.
And see him come back like this and be really
in the mix was cool to see and it's great.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
How great of a playoff would that have been him, Scotty.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
And many that would have been terrific.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Rights, that's the TV we want to watch, we want
to see. I was like, come on, playoff, like I
would like to have seen Gary come out on top.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
But I mean, you know, yeah, time per second.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, nineteen nine two man, I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
And he made a birdie at fifteen, an eagle at sixteen,
and then a birdie at eighteen.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I mean you talk about closing you know fast.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
Yeah, what about your guy Rory?

Speaker 4 (38:19):
I was surprised he was even in the field and
then him grinding back to just make the cut.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
You know, they're saying kind of injury concerns right.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Out on the drop at the end there. I thought
that was very interesting.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Well because he tied for fifth, you know.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Well I know, but I mean he did make eight
straight threes on the card, which I don't know that
I've ever seen before. Uh you know, I'm sure it's
probably happened, but I was watching, I was my jaw
was like dropped four birdies, three pars and an eagle
between the fifth and.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Twelve holes for Rory, all threes.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
He ends up teeving thinking, I'm like th eighteen under
par yeah three three.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, well there's a lot of par.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Threes in that in that stretch, and he you know,
he parred some of those, but then you know he's
birdying and eagling a par five, birdying par four's and
hitting pars on par three. So it was really incredible.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
And the fifth place win Hair brought his career earnings
to over one hundred million.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, like he needs any He doesn't need any more money.
Like I know, he loves money, but he don't need
any more money. But yeah, it was it was pretty
cool to watch, and you know, you're thinking, like, now,
Augusta Scotti with a near miss, rory, closing hard, playing
really well, and then he dropped the elbow thing on
the interview. Yeah, after the match, and I'm like, what

(39:37):
is that all about? You just went out and shot
you know, you know, fifteen hunder par in a tournament.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
Do you think bad?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Get your elbow bee?

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Yeah, and heading into Masters, I mean maybe maybe that's
going to be his crutch for Masters.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
If he doesn't perform well, then it's my elbow hair.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
You're reading my writing.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
I got your hair.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I'm glad you said it. But yeah, Scotty Scheffler though shot.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Sixty three, he had a makeable eagle try on sixteen,
ended up making birdie and then had chances in seventeen
and eighteen, but just went par parr to finish one
shot short.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
But it's really good to see him getting the putter back.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
And I didn't see frustrated Scotty this weekend.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Now we've seen him boil over a little bit. Yeah,
in recent weeks.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
Just chill N's cucumber.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
But course records match. The course record at Memorial Park
was equaled three times during this tournament. So Scheffler shot
a sixty two in the second round, marking the third
time he achieved it, shooting at sixty two, and then
Gary and.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Sammy Sammy Vallamachi also.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Posted sixty two's in the final round, so that was
that was three of them that match that course record there.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, Vallamachi was sixty four to sixty two on the weekend,
and Wyndham.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Clark not a bad weekend, right, pair of.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Sixty fours for him on the weekend, So it's kind
of good. He's another guy that you know, one day
he shoots seventy four, another the day he shoots sixty two.
You know, it's it's kind of all over the place,
but seems to be honing in his game for Augusta Nash.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
So it was a good week it was, and good
golf to watch.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
It was.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
You know, it's like final four, I'm like trying to
go back and forth between and I'm like, no, let's
and you kind of knew, like Minua kind of how
to tie it up, but you're like hoping for a playoff,
so you're trying to flip between channels.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
And yeah, it was fun.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
It was fun. And then of course I'm watching the LPGA.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
They had a great field out in Arizona for the
four championships.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
They went to a playoff.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Hu Ju Kim defeated Lily Avu in a playoff, So
that was really cool to see. And then you know,
I'm even paying attention to Live Golf. Of course they're
in Miami this week. You know who won their their
most the most recent event on the.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
DP World Tour.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Oh wait, Eugenio Sikara, former Live Golf golfer.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Would not guessed.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
He won over in India at the Indian Open. Of course,
he's no longer part of Live. I don't know if
they decided to renew him or he decided to not
renew with them.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
I don't know. Maybe he didn't make the maybe he didn't.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Qualify for a qualify you have to.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
But he's a terrific talent.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
He was an Oklahoma State player and I remember when
they signed him, it was kind of a big deal.
But now he's back free. And when Live signed him, yeah,
because he was one of it was like one of
those things like oh boy, they're going after the college.
They're getting college players now, these up and coming you know,
the PGA Tour was really worried about that. That's what
got them starting this PGA tour university stuff.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
I remember being on the range at the US Open
up at the country club and people were Brendan's Catty
is trying to sneak behind me.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
It's okay, you can walk.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah we don't. He's doing an army come in and
say hi.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
Yeah, they want you to say hi. Man. Yeah. But
I remember being up on the range.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
And then you know, rumors circulating about who was, you know,
going to Live Tour, and there was some collegiate players,
there were some amitters, they were already going after it
was it was yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
It seems like forever ago. I mean Live in its
third season.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Oh it's I think it's a fourth season because yeah,
the contracts are up for next year.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
Oh yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
So yeah, and just David.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Pooge was one of those guys from Arizona State that
went over and it was like, man, they're raiding the
young college talent and that's going.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Caused the PGA Tour to react. But yeah, great week
and we got the Texas open.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
The Valero Texas opened this week as the final Texas. Yeah,
a lot of Texas prior to the Masters, but TPC
San Antonio's Oaks.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Course will take a look at the course of course
brought here by the Penn Club.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
On second the terrific indoor simulator in downtown Contra Hocken.
This is a Greg Norman design along with Pete die
back in two thousand and nine the Oaks Course.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
There's two golf courses there.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
The other one is designed solely by Pete die It's
a great spot. You can you know, the public can
go play it, stay at the resort and play both
of these golf courses. It seems like a bucket list
kind of trip play where the pros play par seventy
two seven four hundred and thirty eight yards, four par threes,
four par fives traditionals set up, but there's two six

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hundred plus yard par fives on this golf course. The
average green size sixty four hundred square feet poa oversea.
The approaches, fairways and rough are all rye grass and fescue.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
They've got sixty.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Four sand bunkers, only three water hazards and it's in
play on three holes and the average fairway with is
twenty five to thirty yards.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
The finish is pretty cool. Behind me is.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
The sixteenth hole, and you can see the bunker right
in the center of the green. There par three one
and eighty three yards bunker right in the middle of
the green of a bike. It's a bicycle seat shaped
green and they got some great pin placements. They can
move around that bunker and got to hit, you know,
shots to a certain spot or you end up chipping
over a bunker.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
I mean, can you imagine that.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
But seventeenth hole is a short par four drivable some days,
three hundred and forty seven yards, another bicycle seat shaped
green with large deep bunker on the left.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
It's an absolute scoring hole.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
You got to make birdie here, maybe an eagle you know,
on Sunday if you need it. But the eighteenth hole
is a par five five hundred and ninety one yards,
a real narrow fairway that favors the right side if
you want to access this green or have any chance
of accessing this green in two and then there's a
creek that splits the fairway for the approach to the green,
which is segmented into three sections with three bunkers surrounding

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the left and backsides. Always great drama.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
Here.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
I love watching this Tournament's a hard golf course, yea,
even for these guys. And you know, any type of
player can win here.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
But you got to have your iron game on.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
It's an approach golf course. The fairways not you know,
a little bit wider than not as wide as Houston,
but a little bit wider than maybe the normal PGA
Tour course. But the second shot, man, you got to
find these greens.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
I'd even look at the what I mean, you know,
a week before augusta a lot of people are good.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
What does the field look like.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
It's a good field. You got let me let me
pull it up here.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Yeah, I can pull it up too. Yeah, we got Harry.
Are you Harry Acorns in our pool?

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (46:14):
I am what you are in eighth place, I'm in ninth.
So we got to battle it out this week.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Ludwig Oberg is at plus twelve hundred. He's the favorite,
followed closely by Corey Connors, who's a two time winner here.
Both his PGA Tour wins are at this golf course,
and your boy, Tommy Fleetwood plus sixteen hundred, the third. Actually,
he's tied for the second favorite. And then Patrick Cantley,
Jordan Speith, HITDECKI Okshay who won here last year. Keegan

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Bradley's playing great. Danny McCarthy finished second here last year
to ok Shay. He's plus twenty eight hundred, Daniel Berger,
A lot of people like him here, Seewu Kim, Tony Finow, Keith, Mitchell,
Tom Kim. It's a pretty good field. I gotta be honest.
I'm on Callie. I think I'm thinking in honor and
Chason Bail joining the podcast. I'm gonna go with Bud Cawley.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
I mean trending, trended, and he'd be.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
A great story too if he was able to get
the win, that would be another terrific story.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Shure the tour. But yeah, good Field and oh wait.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
Hair, I need to ask you this.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
I did see I didn't get the full story on it.
I saw on Twitter Ben Griffin saying the media messed
up me finishing thirty eighth or whatever would not have
got me into the Masters. But I guess they were
saying that, did you hear anything on let or see that?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
No?

Speaker 2 (47:35):
I missed that.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
I know Michael Kim barely made it in.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
I had Yeah, it wasn't true, but like there was something.
I'll tell you exactly what.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Ben's in the field again this week. That's probably why.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Yeah, yeah, and he said he said, thank you everyone
for the kind messages after yesterday's round. Unfortunately, the media
was a bit misleading about a top twenty eight qualifying
me for the Masters.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
I played my best and moved to fifty.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
One and rankings fractionally missing off the week thirteen in
a row, time to win in San Antonio. So he's
fifty one, so right outside, but I guess like it's
like a fraction of a point literally between fifty and
fifty one, And he was like ero point zero zero
three off or whatever. So that's that's you know, that's tough.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
But yeah, well he's in the field this week.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
So he plays every week, and he's even talked about it.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Yeah, what I just say, thirteenth or something.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
He's like the new He's like the new sun Jam
playing every week. But we got to bring up this, uh,
staying with the Texas Open, the Alejandro Toasty Toasting. Oh yeah,
he's in the field here this week, but last week
at Houston he's playing with Min Wu Lee and Ryan
Fox in the final group and min Wu hits a

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crooked t shot on the eighth hole to par five
on the front and it's under a bush like one
of these scrubby bushes. You can see the ball, and
he and his caddy, they had this on camera the
whole time, and Bones is like, you know, ten feet away,
calling the action, describing it, trying to decide whether he

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should get on both knees and try to take an
iron and just baseball swing it and whack it out
as far as he could. Maybe he makes the fair way,
maybe not. But there was also a big tree kind
of in front of him too, so if he doesn't
whack it out far enough, he might have tree trouble
then on the next shot to get to the green.
So this went on forever, ends up that he takes

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a drop, hits his next shot out, and eventually gets
up on the green and actually made par. It was
an incredible par on a par five, you know, taking
a drop the hole took thirty two minutes for him
to play okay, like an extraordinarily long period of time.
Imagine if in the same group, well right, with all

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this focus on slow play, and he's with Toasty, who
is kind of an ornery fella, Like you might know
a little bit about him from the corn Fairy days,
but I'm watching him and I'm like, this guy kind
of might be hard to play with. And then later Hota, he.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Is a hothead.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
And he actually hooked his first iron shot on the
first hole into a water hazard, which was thirty yards
left at a green, so.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
He was really off. He was upset with himself to.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Begin with, and then he had to wait this thirty
two minutes to play a part five. So a couple
of holes later, I forget what hole it was. All
of a sudden, you see min Wu, Lee and Fox
in the fairway getting ready to hit their second shots
and there's no Toasty, and Bones comes on and says, yeah,
Alejandro Toasty. You know he's talking in You know, Alejandro

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Toasty is slow playing the hole. He basically called him
out for it, and you saw Toasty about fifty yards back,
walking very slowly up the fairway eating a sandwich. Bones
made it seem like he was doing it because he's
ticked off with the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Everything in the day is ticking him off. Ends up Toasty.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Hears about this afterwards and gets into it like he
called out Bones and said, yeah, I heard Bones basically
was searching for more drama, trying to make me a
scapegoat for slow playing a hole. Little did he know
if you'd have been paying attention. I went to the
bathroom and picked up a sandwich, and that's why I
was a.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Little bit behind.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
So he's calling out Bones for trying to overdramatize the
whole situation.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Yeah, but I mean, did it. I didn't see him
walking up. Did it appear that he was going really slow?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
It looked like he was. It looked like he was.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
And of course, you know, I'm trusting Bones he's there,
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
And you can tell if someone and especially if you
know someone does you know you have to use a bathroom,
you're out there. He goes to the restroom like they're
trying to hustle to catch back up.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
They're jogging. Usually I have seen this.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
What do you mean he stop to get a sandwich
like in your bag or I.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Hope he washed his hands in between.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
You know, he's eating a sandwich and he's walking up
real slow, and it kind of looked like he was
trying to get in the other two guys' heads that
he was playing with, which I thought was kind of weird, but.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
He said also like to if they're like, you know, contending,
and it's you're just like, you know what, I'm just
gonna be this way, but you know, you got to
benefit of the doubt. I guess like he says that
it's just Johnny, use the bathroom and get Sammy, just.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Wash your hands. But big week not only the prep
for the Masters.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
We got the t Mobile match play at Shadow Creek
on the LPGA Tour that starts actually today through Sunday.
And we got the America or the Augusta National Women's
Amateur this week, which is a really cool event because
I've really enjoyed watching. But you're in Savannah, Georgia for
the Club Car Championship on the corn Ferry Tour.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Give us a little insight.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
I am. I'm about to. After we finish here, I'm
gonna go over. I haven't been to the course yet.
I was working here this Monday.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
And Tuesday, and then just kind of went downtown yesterday
to check things out.

Speaker 5 (53:04):
But this is I been. I haven't been a Landing
sclub since Brandon was on web so and I.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
Was actually caddying during that time, so we have some
funny stories about Savannah. We stayed in host housing. The
people had a domesticated bobcat. Wow, you know, yeah, it
was pouring rain. I gave props to Matt to brandon'scaddy
because I was like, counting is hard enough, and then
when it's raining, you're trying to hold Brandon's a tall guy,

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trying to hold an umbrella over him, trying to keep
everything dry, trying to tend a pin.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
I'm like, you can't pay me nup to caddy. I
swore that was my last.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Time caddying, but I think I, I, you know, caved
in and did it once or twice after.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
But yeah, so this place is what I'm excited to
be back.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
I don't know if the course has changed at all,
but I'll get over there later today and check it
all out.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
So, wow, you guys staying in a house with a
domesticated Bobcat sounds like you need to do a Verbo commercial.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
Literally literally, Harry, that's actually genius. But it was like
host housing.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
We got there and we weren't married, so they were
like separate rooms and we were like, well, we lived
together We're like, okay, fine, so we stay in separate rooms,
and then the wife and the husband stayed in separate
ends of the house and we were like okay, and
she comes out to introduce herself and it looks like
she's just been playing with a pricker bush and.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
We're like, what's going on. She's like, I just have this,
you know, my daughter's cat or whatever. And then her
husband's like, yeah, it's a bob gat. We were just like,
what world are we living?

Speaker 4 (54:32):
So we have a lot of little funny stories from Savannah.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
So I like this place, Well, get your car on
the phone, and you got to start working something out
with Verbo Verbo, because I've seen the Saban commercial enough
now I can memorize it, and we need something else.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
We're gonna need a new that'd be good if we
really well, that's it. We just painted the picture. We
just have, you know, domestigated.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Room.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Yeah, and then look here we are, and this our
own airbnb where we can do where we want.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
All right, Well, best of luck down there in Savannah.
I'm envious because the weather here is still a little iffy.
A lot of rain this weekend. It's still kind of.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
Cold, it's a little hot here in humid it's natty.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Well, Savannah is a cool town.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
Though it is cool. I like it.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
So best of luck and uh moose will be back
next week, so don't you know, be sure and go
out there and swing it and ding it between now
and next week and we'll see you next Wednesday, which
masters prep.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
Oh mento cheese.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
But listen, swing it and ding it.