June 25, 2025 • 48 mins
Joined by Nate Oxman, Author- The Philly Phenoms. The story behind the book, caddying at Merion and more. Captain Keegan gets a big win and adds to the Ryder Cup drama! The Tea with D, Preview of The Rocket Mortgage, See The Line with Bet Parx and the Course of Course with Harry Mayes.
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This week we have on Nate Oxman, teacher, writer, outside
services assistant at Marion and author of the Philly Phenoms.
Welcome to Swing and Ding it day. How's it going great?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Thanks for having me staying cool in here in my
air conditioning.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Now we're in your list of accolades. Where does a
friend of Sean Palmer? Where does that fall in there?
It's proud to be up there. Pretty high.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Uh yeah, I'm gonna butter him up here since he
helped me get on the show. It's definitely definitely high
up there. He's a great guy. Even though I'm a
little older than him. He was at Marion I think
right after he graduated from Penn State. I graduated from
Penn State maybe three or four years earlier than in
but he's a role model, you know, he's he acts
and presents himself much older than he is, and he
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does everything the right way. So he's a great guy.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
One of my favorite people that I've met doing this,
and one of the reasons why I love doing this
is because of meeting people like him. And now you
so welcome to swing and diing it. So there's a
lot to get into, right. We like to talk about
the golf journey and where you started and where you
got to, but let's start with the with the present though,
because this is this is I'm sure how to be
a massive undertaking in writing this book. When when did
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you decide you wanted to do this? And then how
long did it take to really get it from a
concept to literally having a published book?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Okay, so I probably start. I had the idea, maybe
you know, twenty years ago for this story about this
kid who falls in love with golf, based on a
little bit of my childhood and some things I picked
up along the way, and then I started writing it
maybe ten years after that. I was a sportswriter for
a long time, and then I went back to school
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to get certified could teach. So in that transition when
I was supposed to be paying attention in night class,
I was jotting down ideas for the book. And then
I took a sabbatical two years ago and I really
just churned it all out, and then, you know, it
probably took two years from that point when I finished
the manuscript to the publishing de gate, which was last week.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Philly really doesn't always get enough love nationally. How much
of the local golf scene did you kind of work
into the book And are there any characters in Philly
phenones that are maybe secretly based on real people that
you've carried for or had experience with in the area,
for sure.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
So the course in the book is based on Edgemont
Country Club, which was in Newtown Square. Now it's a
housing development, and that's where I mostly grew up playing.
It was a crazy place, like really really blue collar,
but then there were some wealthy you know, doctors and lawyers.
So many of the characters are based on these guys
who I just observed at the bar or at the
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driving range, just doing wacky things, including the antagonist in
the book. I'm just a guy who only sees it
his way, doesn't care what anybody else has to do.
This is his club. He's gonna bully people, push peple around.
And there was a guy like that in my childhood
who even like didn't care if you were a ten
year old kid. So the ten year old kid, the
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protagonist in the book, Lee Lomax, battles with this like
sixty five year old guy in an interesting contrast. And
then Edgemond also had you know, Charles Barsley playing a
lot in Gerald Henderson and Jimmy Linam and Herb McGee
and all those guys were there, and in addition, this
former tour player named Ski Regal who won the USM
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at Pebble Beach. He was there a lot when when
I was a kid, and I always wondered who this
guy was. He would be at the top of the
range by himself. Sometimes he had his dog with him,
and my dad said, you know, that's that's a legend
at Ski Regle. They're crazy stories about him. He's a
really really interesting guy. So I weaved him into the
story a tiny bit. And then you know, I grew
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up Catty at Maryon Golf Club started there in nineteen
ninety five. So some of the characters in the book
are based on some people I met there as well,
some caddies, some members. There were some really really unique
members when I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And there's still what stories can you tell us from
that caddy shack that you're allowed to repeat on air.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
I've told this story a few times, but when I
was a kid, you signed in in the backroom at
marrying at seven o'clock sometimes six point thirty, you know,
to get your name on the top of the list,
and then you waited until your name was called. So
you know, there are may be twenty of us high
school kids and then literally probably forty college then people
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in their early twenties, people in their early fifties. So
there were so many personalities in that shack. You know,
maybe a twelve y fifteen foot space, So there were
bounds to be trouble, right, be pretending to read my
summer reading book, and all these guys. Okay, that guy
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got it all together. He's just doing this because he
loves the game. And then there are other guys who
are going to go from the eighteenth green, get their cash,
and go right to the bar and end it all
and then do it again the next day. So there
were guys like that. There was a guy who used
to keep a six pack in the creek behind the
caddy shack, so with on the golf course, he's actually
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keeping the caddy shack. There used to be a shower
down there. When I was a kid. It was wild.
There'd be people, you know, who would be sleeping on
a bench and then someone would roll them off the
bench so they could sit down, and then a fight
would occur. It was literally like no holds bar. It
was crazy.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
I love that you said you had to sign up
on the sheet.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Do you know if they still do that, because I
know we were at a party, you know, a couple
months ago, and one of the kids loops at seminole
and he goes, oh, let me see what time I'm
there tomorrow, and the catty master literally hand writes out
every guy's name for the next morning.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
I'm like, whow.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
They're still still classic in old school? Does Marian still
do that handwriting and sign up like that?
Speaker 5 (07:10):
So there are places that still do that. Marian has
transitioned into like three pretty sophisticated systems. So I'm one
of the assistant caddy manisters now. So the caddies use
an app. It's called four Caddy. It's part of four T's,
which a lot of clubs to use for their tea times.
So each caddy can customize his or her schedule every
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day when they can be on property, when they can
be off the property. And you can do that three
weeks at a time, right, and then you get your
tea time two, three, sometimes four days in advance, confirm
that you're going to be there, show up a half
hour before. So that sign up sheet that Marian doesn't exist,
and the caddy shack is totally different now. So at
a given time, unless there's a tournament, you might only
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have two or three guys hanging out in the shack,
which is good to bed.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Wow. Interesting. So talking about the Philly phenoms, that's what
you call a middle grade sports fiction. It's written for
junior golfers as well of those yet to pick up
a club. I have a bunch of people, my nephew
right now that are all in golf camp. This is
like the week right between whether they're starting camp or
whatever else they're doing. To me, like that is that's
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a perfect age to really maybe some of the guys
I know that want to You want your kid to
get bit by the bug, But how do you you
kind of help them plan it a little bit? You
put a little bait out there for them. Is that
what you see is just a great way to maybe
introduce some people to the game and have that feeling
that you've had throughout your life and when it started
for you around that age for sure.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
So there are a few different goals with the book,
but that was definitely the main goal, and I wanted
to do it in a way that wasn't overwhelming. So
a lot of the you know, technical golf terms in
a book are accompanied by explanation, a lot of context clues.
I taught English for a long time, so I wanted
to make it an easy read first. And you know,
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so kids weren't struggling over every single word or phrase.
They used a lot of simple language. And then, you know,
after teaching six rad English for a long time, kids
get so bogged down by having to analyze every single
word and phrase. Why is the author using this word,
Why do the author change the setting, what's behind this character,
what's his motivation? I really wanted to make it simple
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in that sense. And the same thing goes for golf.
So it's a great introduction for kids who know nothing
about golf. But then there's a lot of golf play
by play that I think kids who have played before
will really enjoy as well.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Very cool.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, can you tell everybody how they can access this
book and grab it?
Speaker 6 (09:42):
How we can order it?
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Sure, it's available on Amazon and some other you know,
major retailers. You just go to Amazon and type in
the Philly Phenomes and we'll pop right up.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Got a lot of Amazon makes it so easy.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Just be there tomorrow, LUSA and I needed a Philly
Phenom's book when we were thirteen, we would have gotten
started with the game at earlier age. So I appreciate
what you're doing, but I'm fascinated by this with the
writing aspect of it, like where you now, you were,
you know, a sports writer and so forth. But then
you got this idea a long long time ago and
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you started with notes and you you know, note upon
note where happened? Take me through how the notes become
the manuscript, because that's the part to me where I'm
just like it blows me away.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
So I just tried to think about like telling a
bunch of different stories and then kind of weaving in
dialogue obviously into those stories, and then transitions from story
to story. So I when I was a kid, I
played a ton of golf and a ton of basketball.
So in the summer I was if I wasn't at
golf or basketball camp, I would go up to my
elementary school here in Harringford Township, Coopertown and just hit
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balls forever. And then if I got board hitting balls,
I would go to the basketball court and play basketball
for a living, and then I would go back to
hitting balls. So I took that and I said, okay,
I'm going to start there. And then there was a
time when me and my friend I used to bring
my friends up too. I said, let's go hit golf balls,
and they're like, what, you know, we're gonna stay in
the air conditioning and play at the time, like Nintendo
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or Sega Genesis. So we were up there and a
kid sliced one really badly and broke a window in
the school, and I came up with the idea to
find a softball and stick it into the window so
that we wouldn't get banned from playing golf. You know,
there's signs all over parks and playgrounds now no golfing
on school grounds or whatever. So I was like, well,
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if we put a softball in there, you can take
the golf call out. Then they won't, you know, band
hitting golf balls that genius. Like, we went into the woods,
like behind the softball fields until we found a softball,
and you know, I made it into like this kind
of check trek through the jungle. So that's an early
scene in the book. And then there are a few
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other ones, like from when I was up at edge
of mount hitting golf ball and battling this whole crotchety member.
So I just took the main stories and kind of
tied them together in between.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
That's how rusted in the book, right, the crotchet.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Yeah, yeah, how rusting. You can probably picture them. He's
like he walks slow, always wears golf shoes, has his
shirt on tucked. His eyes are bloodshot, his cheeks are red.
He wakes up and has a drink. He has a
drink before bed.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
We know that guy, we know, we know feel who. So, Nate,
caddying is in your blood, right, talk about that, right,
your father, your uncle talk about the caddying side of things,
and uh, you know, obviously it's very important to you
and and and where you do it is is pretty incredible.
But just talk about how that was instilled in you,
maybe by your your dad and your uncle.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Sure. So, my dad and my uncle grew up in
southwest Philly and they found their way to Cops Creek.
Their dad, who passed away before I was born, was
a golfer and used to play a Cops Creak And
then eventually they started caddying at Philadelphia Country Club and
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then on Mondays during section events, they would just go
and you know, find a bag and then a lot
of caddies did that and that's how they ended up
caddying on tour. So my uncle did that, and then
when my dad was old enough he did that too.
My dad caddied on tour I think for three or
four years full time, and then I was born and
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my mom was like, that's enough. He still jabs me
for it. He's like, if it wasn't for you, I'd
still be out there on tour. Like when my uncle
had all that success caddying for Tom Watson, my dad's like,
that could have been me.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Ruined it.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
So he caddied on. My dad caddied on tour for
Tom Pertzer. They won the La Open in nineteen seventy
seven at Riviera. And then my uncle did it too,
on and off and eat a full time job. And
then when Bruce Edwards died, my uncle started caddying for
Tom Watson. Wow, it's pretty incredible, you know. He was
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on the bag in two thousand and nine when he
almost won the Open at Turnberry. And then when I
was fourteen, my dad said, you're gonna go over to
Mary and he took me over and I just started caddying,
and I literally have pretty much been there every year
since nineteen ninety five. I took a year or two
often I was writing as a sportswriter and I couldn't
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do it. And then when I went back to school
to get certified to teach, I went back to marrying.
So I've been there pretty much for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Didn't your uncle basically introduce Tom Watson to Bruce Edwards
in a way?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yeah, he has has had so many connections and he
knows so many people that he's done that, and you
know everywhere he goes, just make introductions. He helped me.
It's ton with another project that I'm working on. I'm
connecting me with a good friend and his Michael Bamberger.
Oh yeah, I have a couple more things in the
works if I can find time to do them.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Well, you've been around some incredible players at Marion.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Who's the best golfer that you've ever watched up close?
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Or maybe looped?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
For?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Two thousand and five? This is a cool story US amateur.
I caddied for a kid from Perdue named Bobby Bennett
who missed the cut. And then I was writing for
a really small community paper in fish Down called The Spirit,
so I was in the shower getting ready to go
to work and the caddy master at Marion, who's my
boss now, Tim Carroll, called me and he said a
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caddy didn't show up. You have to meet us on
the first green. Can you do it? And I just
yelled to my mom. I'm like, Mom, I need you
to get the car ready. We're going to marry And
this was maybe a mile and a half away from
my parents' house. So we meet him on the first green.
I don't even have my bib on. A member was
carried his bag from the tee to the green and
I put the bib on and he has this huge,
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like sixty foot breaker from the back of the green
to the front, and he's like, what do you think?
And I was, you know, I didn't even know what
the heck was going on. I didn't even know his name.
And then I pointed to a spot and he drained it.
And his name was Kevin Chappell, who went on to
the NCAA Individual champ at UCLA, one on the corn
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Ferry Tour, one on the PGA Tour, played forever still
playing out there on corn Ferry and some tour events,
and he won a couple of matches and we kept going,
so it was it was a cool experience. He was
definitely one of the best. And then I carded for
Patty Harrington once and I tell people this story all
the time when we get to eleven at mary and
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you know the famous hole where Bobby Jones clinched the
Grand Slam, and Patty Harrington's like, watch this and he
get teas it up on the back team and takes
like five steps back, like what's he gonna do. He's
kind of facing the golf hole now, and he just
starts running like Happy Gilmore toward the golf ball and
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does the Happy Gilmore from eleven t and drives it
over the green. Was like a three forty five carry,
no joke. So that was definitely cool thing, of course,
and he was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
How long did it take you to learn the greens
at Marion? I mean you started at what fourteen or so.
That had to be really intimidating going out there your
first maybe year or so doing loops there.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
So I think one of the things that helped me
as a writer was that I've always been observing. I'm
usually a quiet kind of kid who just sits back
and watches. That's how it was when I was a kid.
So I just watched, like the pro caddies, you know,
they weren't pro caddies, but they were veteran caddies who
could have been toward caddies for sure, Guys who loved
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it and loved getting in there and reading putts. And
that's definitely the biggest obstacle for caddies, especially at marlier
marrying early on, because the greens are so difficult there.
So I just watched and watched and watched, and you know,
eventually I just start stepping in and you know, trying
to read them the best I can. And there's still
spots that kind of confused me, especially sixteen and eleven
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is a tough green to read. Seven can be tough
in some spots. I tell this story too, I'm not
afraid to admit it. I had eed in the Curtis
Cup in twenty twenty two for a girl on GB
and I teen named Anabelle Fuller who played for the
University of Florida, A great kid playing on the Ladies
European Tour now and we were on thirteen and the
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pin was front right and we were back left, and
the pin isn't always in that spot, and the golf
ball hardly ever stays back there. So I remember seeing
it and thinking, oh god, I've never read this pot
in my life, you know, even after thirty years. So
I literally thought she could avoid this big slope and
put it off to the right and just you know,
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kind of tap it in and make three and move on.
But she really had to play it like five feet
left and just tap it, and the slope would take
it all the way down. So she starts a little
right like I asked her to, and it broke still
like five feet right, and she looked at me, and
I guess on the broadcast, I'm not sure who it was,
but whoever was commenting on that whole was like, even
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with and there's another caddy in the group, even with
two experienced marrying caddies and two great players, they still
couldn't read the pucker let me have it. So I wasn't.
I was at the start of the summer when I
was just coming out of school, so I didn't have
any loops under my belt. And you know, each spring,
I think you need to get some loops on your belt.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
To kind of reacquainted.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Yeah, so it was a disaster, but you know, luckily
I read a lot of them right, And that was.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
But a testament to the course, which is obviously a
top course in Philly. If you watch the show, you
know I always asked this question. You can't pick Marian
because we've already talked about it. What is your favorite
Philadelphia course?
Speaker 5 (19:53):
This is an easy one, and I tell people at
Marrying this all the time, especially when a caddied for
a golf mills member, because we have some golf mills
slash Marion members. Golf mills by far super quiet place.
You know, they might get forty to fifty players a
day versus you know, three sometimes four times that at Marrion.
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The layout is outstanding, the land is really cool. The
best thing about Marion is that there aren't two holes
anywhere near like, and there aren't two greens anywhere near like.
And I think you can stay the same of golf mills.
Every hole is different, every green is different, a lot
of elevation changes, a lot of cool stuff going on there.
So golf mills right in your kop I would get
for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, I love awesome, great stuff. Well, thank you for
joining us. Make sure you check out The Philly Phenoms
wherever books are sold. I'm going to order a couple
for my nephews right now for their summer reading. And congratulations.
I know that was a labor of love and to
get to the finish line. And I ready, so you're
real spinning for your next.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
It's gonna be a good one. I'm switching back to
the nonfiction world. Stay tuned. This is going to be
a wild one.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Awesome, excited, excited to hear it. Thanks for joining us
and continue success. Let's take a quick break and we
will be right back. Thanks for having all right, welcome
back to Swing and Ding. It great to talk to
Nate Oxman. What he's probably seen it all at Mary
and Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Man, imagine being fourteen your dad has been like, come on,
time to go to Marion now, sure, fine.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Man, unbelievable, unbelievle Check it out. The Philly Phenoms looks
like a great, great book for the young junior golfer
or motivating a young person to become a junior golfer.
I might do it. I might grab one for my
daughter too. Yeah, get her, get her interested one of them, Uh,
the Travelers, He's got a lot of options, Keegan Bradley.
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Everybody down three with four to play. I mean, you
know obviously on eighteen the nine iron to six foot Birdie,
but there was so much going on that hole too, Right,
You have Fleetwood his situation, then all of a sudden,
Henley just chips one in the crowd's going crazy. You
got to refocus. Fleetwood does not execute, gives gives Keegan
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a read, to say the least, and Keegan gets it
done fifteen under two sixty five three point six million
dollars and just dominates the Ryder Cup conversation. Uh, wild finish,
wild finish in Connecticut, to say the least.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, I actually caught those last couple of holes. And
you know, we were talking with some guys at my club
that day. You know, they you think Tommy gets it done.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I'm like, no, I literally almost texted you, Harry going
to win.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
He's not going to win. And it's not like I'm
rooting against him. But yeah, you mentioned Keegan brad of
the eighth win. He's fourth in the last three years,
a repeat. Now at the Travelers, he's a two time winner. There,
which is the New England event. So it means a
lot to him and they mean a lot, or he
means a lot to them. It's his ninth top twenty
of the year, three top tens in his last four tournaments.
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And now you mentioned Moosey's ninth in the Ryder Cup
points less and I'm looking at some of those other names,
you know that could be Captain's picks, like is he
take is he taking Maverick.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
McNeely over himself? No way, no way am I doing that.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I mean I might even boot out Ben Griffin for
Keegan Bradley at this point. And Griffin's playing He's playing
great golf with the two wins. One was a team event,
but yeah, he was outstanding and I love, you know,
when the crowd gets behind him with all.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
The USA stuff and he feeds off of it.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
You know some golfers do and some sort of I
guess tune it out or try to tune it out,
but he loves it. And you know, the more I think,
even if he played in a hostile environment, he would
feed off the hostility, you.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Know, like you do in a Ryder Cup scene. So
he's perfect for this. To me, he has to be
on the team, and I think, well this week too.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Notice he's playing again right after he won an elevated
event won. I think he wants to make sure he
locks this down. So it's like a no brainer that
Keegan's going to be a playing captain, and so be it.
But Tommy Fleetwood, to me, was the story. He Bogi's
sixteen and eighteen to lose. He hit it over the
green on sixteen and then he misses a seven footer
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on eighteen, But the decision with the clubbing on eighteen,
I think is what really did him in.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
He didn't believe in it.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
He didn't believe in that shot with that club, and
it came up short and ends up losing.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
But all class Tommy Fleetwood is.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Tommy Fleetwood faced the media immediately after and opened up
his heart to what was happening with that, and that's
what we want and that's all we asked these guys. Morikawa,
McElroy take note that guy has never.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Won on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Nobody wants to win more than him, and he was
there to face the media as the class act that
he is, and I applaud him.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
For it, no doubt, no doubt about it. I mean gutted. Right,
they the angle where he can't even watch the putt
go in, right, the entire the entire crowds against you.
All you have to do is execute. You're in position,
You're in the middle of the fairway. Yeah, and uh
and doesn't get it done.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Force a playoff at least, you know, at least.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
I literally thought I thought we were going to see
a playoff.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, how about the Henley story. Oh, he chips in,
chips in, and he gave himself a penalty. He said
the ball moved a dimple. Are you guys calling a
penalty on yourself if a ball moves at them?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
First of all, I can't see it ball. I'm sixty
years old this Sunday moose. I got no shot even
with these on.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
But yeah, you have to, you have to.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I've not if I don't see it, well, I don't
if you.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
Don't see it.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
But if it moves at all, it's just you know,
I actually was on the bag for a Brandon before
and I don't It's definitely on Latin tour and he
was I don't know, maybe T two like in contention
to win. I think he still plays pretty high that week,
but in the bunker, like went to put his club
down and moved a little bit.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
He's like, I got to call penalty, and myself like what.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I was like, are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
He's like, yeah, I didn't see anything.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I was like, that did not move, but he had
a call I don't like. So I think it's just
part of the game. It's the integrity, like you have
to call whether it moves a dimple or not.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah. Yes, Well some of the other guys you have
Jason Day with a T four, Rory and Scheffler wind
up T six, which was which was interesting when you
when you see it, and then JT T nine gets
the top ten. But yeah, I mean it was all
about the finish. It was all about eighteen and that
is a great finishing hole. It's becoming, you know. I
think Amanda Quota is one of the great theaters in
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the game of golf now and it truly is. To
add Keegan too, the mix and the crowd up there,
and it just was an awesome, awesome finish. I mean,
think about all that went on on that one hole
with Henley Fleetwood Keegan. I mean, that's that's enough. I'm
in a that's a full episode of full swing right
crazy crazy, Yeah, But how's Henin and Ryder cup in
(27:07):
seven in the world? How I don't know?
Speaker 6 (27:09):
That doesn't mouth is a.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Math that doesn't job it to me, but I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Saturday, I had to go to another sixtieth birthday party
for a guy that I grew up with. So I'm
I'm gonna miss the golf right because I knew they
wouldn't have it on and I couldn't be watching it
there anyway, So I dvard it right, and I'm so
looking forward to watching Scotty and JT in the final pairing,
like just together, knowing it's not even the final round.
(27:35):
I had JT in my one and done, so I
was really pumped up for this.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I watched the first hole before I left for the party.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Scotty puts up a freaking triple on the first hole.
He mixes seven, hits all ball out of the bunker.
Oh yeah, airmail's the green, then hits the chip and
it rolls right back to him, makes a seven, a
total mess. JT Bird is it so he's now got
a four s lead. Then he ends up putting a
quad up on the thirteenth pole, par five hit it
(28:05):
in the water, I guess once or twice, and the
whole the whole.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Round went to But I didn't even watch it, like you.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Two of the best players in the world, you know,
just putting up these unbelievable scores.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It was crazy, absolutely crazy. JT. You mentioned T nine.
That was all because of that one hole.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
If he did, if he makes par there, he's in
the mix in the in down down the stretch on Sunday,
and who knows what happens.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yeah, well, Harry, you mentioned those names too, and then
you sent something in our group text with just the
broadcast and the first round viewership up thirty seven percent,
which was the biggest opening round in almost twenty years.
And then obviously Keegan probably and those other players pulled
in some additional coverage because CBS pulled in three point
five million viewers on the final day, which is wild.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
It's pretty crazy though, because when you think about it,
Keegan Bradley, Tommy Fleetwood, Russell Henley is not j T.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Scotti, Scheffler, you know what I mean. Jordy Speed, Rory
and all those guys.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Really good numbers, Yeah for sure, Yeah, well, speaking of JT,
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Speaker 4 (29:10):
Yeah, well, we Harry started a little bit with the
key the Kegan Ryder Cup buzz. So I really want
to get into this a little bit more because obviously
after this win that we just talked about the Travelers
a signature event Kegan, We're the big conversation is that,
you know, for a guy who has more PGA Tour
wins than anybody not named Scotty Scheffler, you know, what
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do we do?
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Is he is he going to be the playing captain?
Is he not?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
He should have been on the Ryder Cup that Netflix
episode Lives rent Free. In my head, I just feel
so bad for him where I'm like, you know, he's
like telling his wife like get ready, like they're coming
over and I'm going to get the nod and he
doesn't get it, and then you know captain and it's
just like what is he? What is he going to do?
The last Ryder Cup playing captain was Arnold Palmer in
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nineteen sixty three looking that up because I was like, wait,
like who's done this?
Speaker 6 (30:03):
When's the last time?
Speaker 4 (30:03):
And then I was like wait a second, Okay, really
like hasn't been done. But my vote, I say we
let him play. He's a Northeast guy. I went to
Saint John's. He calls beth Bage's favorite course in the world.
You know, his first hole in one there. I think
it's a no brainer. We mentioned that he's seventh in
the world ranking, so you know, Keagan even said after
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this win changes the story a little bit. I never
would have thought about playing if I hadn't won. This
definitely opens the door to play. But I'm saying, here's
my question to you guys. If Team USA doesn't have
Keegan as playing captain, are they actually putting out their
best team?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
No?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I mean, you know, you play in the singles obviously,
because all twelve guys play in that, and then maybe
play in one, you know, one or two of the
other rounds out of the other four. You know, team events,
you know, find he will find his best playing partner,
and you know he plays three times.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
He doesn't play in all five you can do.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
You know, there's captain duties and all that, but he's
got assistant captains that can take up.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
The load, Delegate man and go.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Play exactly delegate. That's all he has to do. Speaking
of that's what Moose.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Does at the radio station master delegator.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
You have to that's how you get stuff done.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
But we just mentioned Full Swing.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
So Ben Griffin's fiancee, Dana, she was on this podcast
that's a little bit newer. It's called Birdie Little Secrets
where the these two girls that host they have on
mostly like PGA tour Wives or Corn Fairy Wives, and
they you know, have to share a Birdie Little Secret
at the end of the show, and Dana said, Okay,
I asked, you know, Ben, if I could share this.
Full Swing is starting to film us tomorrow. But there's
(31:43):
an asterisk by that with her saying that she they
don't know if it'll ever air. You know, Netflix will
come out and start filming, but it's either like, you know,
you guys are interesting enough or you're not, or you know,
wait till some drama happens or whatever.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
So we could see Ben Griffin interesting. Yeah, Full Swing coming.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
So so yeah, moving on with some tea. I just
this one's for my guy Harry, because I know he
loves Rory so over on the DP World Tour, Rory
gave us a moment I don't know if you guys
see all he hit this flop shot and the givoc
basically traveled just as far as the ball.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
He also had a nice hole out for eagle.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
In the par four third hole from like one hundred
and fifteen out just kind of spun back into the
cup and he goes hole out like kind of threw
his hand out and or up in the air. So
I just wanted to, you know, share some moory love
for my guy Harry.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Absolutely, I don't deny his talent. He's terrific.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, and more over on the DP World Tour, I
feel like I don't talk about it enough.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Marcell Steem do you guys.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Know Marcell Okay, ponytail right, entertaining like I mean, I
went down a rabbit hole of Marcel.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Look.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
I was like, this is just so funny, but this
is some golf chaos. He's a funny guy. This man
sent three course records, one being at Pebble Beach running
on those sleeps, completely hammered, and he quoted I threw
up twice in the round. He still shot sixty two
with a three putt.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
On eighteen.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
He played with Kelly Slater, who confirmed that scene was
on fifty nine Watch by Whole seven. He flopped in
an eagle from the rough on six and he said
it was just absolute like mayhem, and Marshall was saying, like, yeah,
I played with Kelly, which is awesome.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
He goes, I don't know if he knew that I
threw up.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
He goes, he probably smelled it or whatever. And then
Kelly commented on the Instagram post. He's like, no, dude,
you told me after the round that he threw up,
but he said he finished, and he's like, all right,
I'm going to like eat a hogy and go to
bed or whatever. And they're like, no, you just shot
like a course record like you're you know, among the
likes of you know, like Arnold Palmer and naming all
these like other guys who had a course record there.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
And they're like, we need to interview you. And he's like,
I'm done.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
But apparently three course records all running on no sleep
completely hammered. So I thought that was funny. If you
guys go over to the DP world or Instagram and
then check that out, there's it's a pretty good interview
with him.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Kelly Slater's the surfer right the fact surf.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
And then I don't know if you guys saw this,
but James piat is back in the mix kind of
remember he was one of those first guys to jump
ship and go to Live Golf. He hasn't played a
live event since twenty twenty three, which now makes him eligible.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
For PGA Tour events. And guess what, the Rocket mortgage
gave him the call.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
So this is a first lived effector to get a
sponsor asumption. He's in the field this week home game
because he's from Michigan.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
So interesting, Yeah, I thought so too.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Wow, Yeah, he played at Michigan State. I think I remember,
I remember when he went to Live.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
Yeah, he was one of the first to go over.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
So but then I don't know, you know, he hasn't
played since twenty twenty three, so I don't know if
that was like a rankings or he fell off or
what happened. But so yeah, I'm interested to see, like,
you know, if he places it makes the cut in
places of what that does in terms of playing more events,
because this is again a sponsoring resumption.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
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Speaker 3 (35:28):
Great stuff, great stuff, Harry. Before we started, we were
talking to Nate and the heat does not bother you.
You're out there, you're swinging golf clubs right now.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, right, Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I was out yesterday for about an hour and a
half on the short game area at the nineteen twelve
club and there were a couple other groups out there
playing too. Some of the guys that I know were
out there too, but not a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah. I mean, it is insanely hot these ties.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
But I wear one of the big I wear one
of the big you know, old guy hats, and now
that goes like the caddies wear, you know, and it
really keeps the heat off your face and your neck.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
It makes a difference you.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Wear that hat and you wear wear SPF and you're.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Exactly all my arms and all my legs.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yes, absolutely are your sleep guy.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
Hair.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
No, I haven't gone there yet, but I might. Yeah,
I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I went and saw our friend Corey Riley, former guests
of the program, Great Club Fitter, down at five Iron Golfing.
I got some new irons man. Yeah, it was time, Yeah,
it was time. So I got the callaway Apex. Yeah,
so I gotta I gotta bust them out.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
What'd you get six through wedge?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, exactly nice. Yeah, I don't do four or five.
I just did six.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I don't do six anymore either, but yeah, you'll be there, yeah, yeah,
looking forward to trying them out, looking forward to Do
you have any any other round scheduled right now? Hair, Uh, nothing,
nothing outrageous, probably play you know, for my birthday this weekend.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Turns sixty this weekend, whoa dad one?
Speaker 6 (37:03):
Yeah Sunday, Oh, happy early birthday.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Yeah, we have to say happy birthday to Teddy he
turned sixty five yesterday. Oh yes, and then my daughter
turns one tomorrow, so it's a it's a week of
swinging to get fan birthdays.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, absolutely unbelievable tremendous eff But I'm going to be
out there today too.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I'm going out. I'm actually going over to Lulu late
this afternoon.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
See at least you guys can still play.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Everything down here is closed because it's yeah, I mean,
there's reciprocals at certain clubs, but they kind of try
to like rotate through, but everything is shut down. I
mean it's one hundred percent humidity ninety to one hundred
degrees every day.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
It feels like one hundred.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm I'm gonna get around in
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Z And as we look ahead to the Rocket mortgage.
This is always always a fun event. I mean it's tough.
You're coming off of us opening a signature event. It
does not sit in the greatest place on the calendar.
I think you only have three guys that are under
two thousand odds, Keegan Can't Let and Colin Morikawa. But
(38:27):
let's talk about the course of course in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, the Detroit Golf Club Donald Ross designed back in
nineteen sixteen a classic track, and Tyler Ray actually has
done a renovation here in the in the last year
of the north course par seventy two seven and seventy
yards similar length to Oakmont. The greens and fifty square
(38:52):
feet on average, and they are bent grass and poanna.
The fairways, approaches and collars are the same. The rough
is that Kentucky bluegrass mix and it's four inches and
growing eighty seven sand bunkers, only one water hazard and
it's in play on one hole. The par five fourteenth hole.
Average fairway is thirty yards wide. Numbers one and two
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are actually numbers eight and nine for the members, and
number three is played from the north sides one tee
to the south's one green. Kind of strange the way
they do that, but this is a place where you
got to have great wedge game and putting. It's it's
not gonna be It's not daunting for these guys off
the tee, but it's it's wedges and putting the I'm
(39:36):
assuming they're doing that three to one three challenge again
on holes fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen. I think three to
one three is the area code out there. And it's like,
if you make an eagle on fourteen, which is a three,
a eagle on a hole in one on fifteen par three,
and then a birdie on sixteen, you win like some
(39:57):
incredible prize given away by Rocket Warts.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah. I don't think anybody's come close to doing it yet,
but this is a cool.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Design, you know, Like you mentioned, you know, Moose, It's
like one of these weeks where it's sort of an
exhale where you're just like all right, and you know,
maybe maybe I'll just play my own golf.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Might might not tune in. But there's guys in the field,
like you mentioned, are there for a reason. They need
to win.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Morikawa can't lay, Wyndham Clark, cam Young is getting close again.
He's starting to play really good golf and all four
of those guys could really use a w and Min
Wu Lee is also in the field. He's got to
win this year in Houston. But his sister just won
a third major of her career by three shots. You
(40:44):
know this past week in Texas. So maybe Minji's success
will motivate min Wu and maybe he comes through with
another w this week.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Yeah, no doubt. You have Cam Davis who won this
event twice riting last year, Ricky Fowler in twenty twenty three,
and Tony Fenw in twenty two. To say it here
to your point, there's no like one kind of person
that can win them. You get a little bit of
everything here.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Fe now Withdrew Now he's no longer in the field.
He was in the field, but he's withdrawn. I don't
know if he's heard or what.
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Speaker 3 (42:38):
All right, so let's see you got more kala, right?
We talked about only a couple guys under that two
thousand and Mori Kala looking at the bet parksport at
twelve hundred, can't lay sixteen hundred, Keegan Bradley eighteen hundred.
Then Ben Griffin at twenty two hundred. You mentioned Cam Young,
how about Hedcky Matsi Yama. Yeah, you know, sitting at
three thousand, that's an interesting one. I like a matchup here,
(43:00):
can't lay uh plus one oh five head to head
over Colin Wrikala. I think, I know, I know, I know, can't.
He's been struggling, like he's such a great putter and
he seems to be struggling a little bit. But you know,
when those guys find it lights out, and I think
he's someone that he wants to be playing better right now,
I think you know he's again. The Ryder Cup implications
are huge for a bunch of these guys in the field.
Ben Griffin, right, the one you talked about, so.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Camp has a second place here too, and the one
I think the one other time he's played it.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
So yeah, it's the golf course.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah. I see a lot of love for Matt Fitzpatrick
this week. Yeah, so interesting at that four thousand number.
That is an interesting one also, Keith Mitchell, right in
that scene in that same area, what are you seeing here?
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Well, I'm going with Oha for something. For some reason,
I'm seeing ox Shay, but Tilla.
Speaker 6 (43:47):
There's no palm trees.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
No, I know, but but he's Detroit, played well here before,
and he's another guy in need of a good week.
He's kind of been off a little bit, and you
know he's got it. He took some rest and I
think he's a really good wedge player. He's not great
around the greens if he misses the green, not a
great shipper, but he's a really good putter. So I
think his wedge game and putting will will play well here.
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Plus one eighty in a top twenty, and I'm gonna
probably take him in my one and done, and I'm
taking him over Minwu in a matchup at minus one fifteen.
You mentioned Ben Griffin. I'm taking him minus one fifty
over Cam Young.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
In a matchup.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
And Luke Clanton is in the field again. This is
I guess his second tournament now as a professional, didn't.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Do too badly in his first.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
One Plus one seventy in a top twenty, I will
take it.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
How about Max Homer seventy five hundred, Yeah, man, that's
a long number.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
And the other way he finds it, he's gonna find
it again, right. Really, nobody works harder at trying to
get back than that guy.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
He will find it.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
That's why it's worth throwing a couple bucks on him,
even in the top ten. The other guy do on
the lie Stephen Jaeger. Jaeger is popping out to me,
it's a big it's a big number at six thousand. Yeah,
well we'll see how it shakes out.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
It definitely is. Yeah oxhe who is the other guy
I was looking at?
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well, can't Ley? I know we mentioned needs a big week.
There's so many Oh, Wyndham Clark. I'm really curious to
see what he's got this week. There's some people in
the betting markets that really like him this week.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Ya, And I'm saying that too, yeah, aren't you? And
I was just like, wow, you know, but who knows?
Speaker 1 (45:23):
I mean, these guys that are this good, it's like
one day they can just.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Sort of figure it out.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
And away they go, yeah, yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
But I got some shout outs that I've forgotten over
the last couple of.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Weeks to throw out here.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
A couple of guys at the nineteen twelve club were
one's a champion. Caleb Ryan Methodist University won the Division
three NC DOUBLEA championship there. It's a college down in
North Carolina. He was part of the starting five NC
DOUBLEA champs and he's he's in the golf program down
there and is now. He'll be working at golf mills
(46:01):
this summer in his internship, looking to be a club
pro and run a golf course someday, very soon.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
And his brother Josh Ryan finished T.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Ten at the Sonny Hannah Amateur back the same week
at the US Open that in Johnstown, PA, just about
maybe forty five minutes or so from over the Sonny Hannah. Yeah,
he got a top ten. I think he finished T.
Eight in that event. So congratulations to both those brothers.
And Evan Brown, a local guy, is getting his first
PGA Tour start this week. He Monday Q into the
(46:36):
Rocket Mortgage. He's a guy from Kennett Square Golf Club
also plays out down in Hilton Head, but he played
college golf at Loyal.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
In Maryland and then his final year of.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Eligibility at Ole Miss And happened to run in him
down at the PGA show for about a half hour.
Had a great conversation with Evan, So good luck to
him this week.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Sweet And how about a congrats to our Legacy Club
Member member champs Jordan Rosenblatt and Dave Alperstein took it down.
So yeah, I played that course on Thursday before the
member member it was like the Oakmont ruff. I'm like,
what do we do it here?
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, it was. It was brutal. So anyone who won
that event, uh, they had they had to work hard
and to get it done.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
So yeah, you got thick and very consistent rough.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
If I remember over there at the Legacy Club, it's
it can be yeah and then sick yeah, and the
Greens were rolling so oh yeah yeah. Oh.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
And also Miguel Anghel Jimenez.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
I know we don't talk much about the Champions Tour,
but he won for the fourth time this season, made
his twenty foot pot on the second playoff hole to
beat Steven Alker, and he needed a birdie birdie finish
on seventeen and eighteen.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
To just forced the playoff.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
But it's his third major and his seventeenth career win
on PGA Tour champions He's now sixty one years old,
so we're looking at you know, maybe like a Bernhard
Langer light here at this age it's going you know,
me me turning sixty this week. I'm especially you know,
inspired by these old guys, you know, who can still
get it done. And the US Senior Open is actually
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this week at the Broad Morning in Colorado. I'm very
interested to see, you know, some of the some of
that golf course.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Yeah, yeah, great stuff. Thanks to Nate Oxman for joining us.
Make sure you check out the Philly Phenoms. Great gift
for the young aspiring junior golfer in your life. And uh,
we'll be back next week. Getting closer to the last major.
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Of the year.
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Can't believe it, believe many really, it's yeah, only eight
or nine more events in the whole calendar till the
end of the Wild the one and done, and it's
getting tight.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
It is for some people. Yeah, all right, thanks for listening,
Thanks for watching it. We'll be back next week.
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This week we have on Nate Oxman, teacher, writer, outside
services assistant at Marion and author of the Philly Phenoms.
Welcome to Swing and Ding it day. How's it going great?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Thanks for having me staying cool in here in my
air conditioning.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Now we're in your list of accolades. Where does a
friend of Sean Palmer? Where does that fall in there?
It's proud to be up there. Pretty high.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Uh yeah, I'm gonna butter him up here since he
helped me get on the show. It's definitely definitely high
up there. He's a great guy. Even though I'm a
little older than him. He was at Marion I think
right after he graduated from Penn State. I graduated from
Penn State maybe three or four years earlier than in
but he's a role model, you know, he's he acts
and presents himself much older than he is, and he
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does everything the right way. So he's a great guy.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
One of my favorite people that I've met doing this,
and one of the reasons why I love doing this
is because of meeting people like him. And now you
so welcome to swing and diing it. So there's a
lot to get into, right. We like to talk about
the golf journey and where you started and where you
got to, but let's start with the with the present though,
because this is this is I'm sure how to be
a massive undertaking in writing this book. When when did
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you decide you wanted to do this? And then how
long did it take to really get it from a
concept to literally having a published book?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Okay, so I probably start. I had the idea, maybe
you know, twenty years ago for this story about this
kid who falls in love with golf, based on a
little bit of my childhood and some things I picked
up along the way, and then I started writing it
maybe ten years after that. I was a sportswriter for
a long time, and then I went back to school
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to get certified could teach. So in that transition when
I was supposed to be paying attention in night class,
I was jotting down ideas for the book. And then
I took a sabbatical two years ago and I really
just churned it all out, and then, you know, it
probably took two years from that point when I finished
the manuscript to the publishing de gate, which was last week.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Philly really doesn't always get enough love nationally. How much
of the local golf scene did you kind of work
into the book And are there any characters in Philly
phenones that are maybe secretly based on real people that
you've carried for or had experience with in the area,
for sure.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
So the course in the book is based on Edgemont
Country Club, which was in Newtown Square. Now it's a
housing development, and that's where I mostly grew up playing.
It was a crazy place, like really really blue collar,
but then there were some wealthy you know, doctors and lawyers.
So many of the characters are based on these guys
who I just observed at the bar or at the
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driving range, just doing wacky things, including the antagonist in
the book. I'm just a guy who only sees it
his way, doesn't care what anybody else has to do.
This is his club. He's gonna bully people, push peple around.
And there was a guy like that in my childhood
who even like didn't care if you were a ten
year old kid. So the ten year old kid, the
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protagonist in the book, Lee Lomax, battles with this like
sixty five year old guy in an interesting contrast. And
then Edgemond also had you know, Charles Barsley playing a
lot in Gerald Henderson and Jimmy Linam and Herb McGee
and all those guys were there, and in addition, this
former tour player named Ski Regal who won the USM
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at Pebble Beach. He was there a lot when when
I was a kid, and I always wondered who this
guy was. He would be at the top of the
range by himself. Sometimes he had his dog with him,
and my dad said, you know, that's that's a legend
at Ski Regle. They're crazy stories about him. He's a
really really interesting guy. So I weaved him into the
story a tiny bit. And then you know, I grew
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up Catty at Maryon Golf Club started there in nineteen
ninety five. So some of the characters in the book
are based on some people I met there as well,
some caddies, some members. There were some really really unique
members when I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And there's still what stories can you tell us from
that caddy shack that you're allowed to repeat on air.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
I've told this story a few times, but when I
was a kid, you signed in in the backroom at
marrying at seven o'clock sometimes six point thirty, you know,
to get your name on the top of the list,
and then you waited until your name was called. So
you know, there are may be twenty of us high
school kids and then literally probably forty college then people
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in their early twenties, people in their early fifties. So
there were so many personalities in that shack. You know,
maybe a twelve y fifteen foot space, So there were
bounds to be trouble, right, be pretending to read my
summer reading book, and all these guys. Okay, that guy
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got it all together. He's just doing this because he
loves the game. And then there are other guys who
are going to go from the eighteenth green, get their cash,
and go right to the bar and end it all
and then do it again the next day. So there
were guys like that. There was a guy who used
to keep a six pack in the creek behind the
caddy shack, so with on the golf course, he's actually
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keeping the caddy shack. There used to be a shower
down there. When I was a kid. It was wild.
There'd be people, you know, who would be sleeping on
a bench and then someone would roll them off the
bench so they could sit down, and then a fight
would occur. It was literally like no holds bar. It
was crazy.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
I love that you said you had to sign up
on the sheet.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Do you know if they still do that, because I
know we were at a party, you know, a couple
months ago, and one of the kids loops at seminole
and he goes, oh, let me see what time I'm
there tomorrow, and the catty master literally hand writes out
every guy's name for the next morning.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
I'm like, whow.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
They're still still classic in old school? Does Marian still
do that handwriting and sign up like that?
Speaker 5 (07:10):
So there are places that still do that. Marian has
transitioned into like three pretty sophisticated systems. So I'm one
of the assistant caddy manisters now. So the caddies use
an app. It's called four Caddy. It's part of four T's,
which a lot of clubs to use for their tea times.
So each caddy can customize his or her schedule every
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day when they can be on property, when they can
be off the property. And you can do that three
weeks at a time, right, and then you get your
tea time two, three, sometimes four days in advance, confirm
that you're going to be there, show up a half
hour before. So that sign up sheet that Marian doesn't exist,
and the caddy shack is totally different now. So at
a given time, unless there's a tournament, you might only
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have two or three guys hanging out in the shack,
which is good to bed.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Wow. Interesting. So talking about the Philly phenoms, that's what
you call a middle grade sports fiction. It's written for
junior golfers as well of those yet to pick up
a club. I have a bunch of people, my nephew
right now that are all in golf camp. This is
like the week right between whether they're starting camp or
whatever else they're doing. To me, like that is that's
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a perfect age to really maybe some of the guys
I know that want to You want your kid to
get bit by the bug, But how do you you
kind of help them plan it a little bit? You
put a little bait out there for them. Is that
what you see is just a great way to maybe
introduce some people to the game and have that feeling
that you've had throughout your life and when it started
for you around that age for sure.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
So there are a few different goals with the book,
but that was definitely the main goal, and I wanted
to do it in a way that wasn't overwhelming. So
a lot of the you know, technical golf terms in
a book are accompanied by explanation, a lot of context clues.
I taught English for a long time, so I wanted
to make it an easy read first. And you know,
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so kids weren't struggling over every single word or phrase.
They used a lot of simple language. And then, you know,
after teaching six rad English for a long time, kids
get so bogged down by having to analyze every single
word and phrase. Why is the author using this word,
Why do the author change the setting, what's behind this character,
what's his motivation? I really wanted to make it simple
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in that sense. And the same thing goes for golf.
So it's a great introduction for kids who know nothing
about golf. But then there's a lot of golf play
by play that I think kids who have played before
will really enjoy as well.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Very cool.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, can you tell everybody how they can access this
book and grab it?
Speaker 6 (09:42):
How we can order it?
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Sure, it's available on Amazon and some other you know,
major retailers. You just go to Amazon and type in
the Philly Phenomes and we'll pop right up.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Got a lot of Amazon makes it so easy.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Just be there tomorrow, LUSA and I needed a Philly
Phenom's book when we were thirteen, we would have gotten
started with the game at earlier age. So I appreciate
what you're doing, but I'm fascinated by this with the
writing aspect of it, like where you now, you were,
you know, a sports writer and so forth. But then
you got this idea a long long time ago and
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you started with notes and you you know, note upon
note where happened? Take me through how the notes become
the manuscript, because that's the part to me where I'm
just like it blows me away.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
So I just tried to think about like telling a
bunch of different stories and then kind of weaving in
dialogue obviously into those stories, and then transitions from story
to story. So I when I was a kid, I
played a ton of golf and a ton of basketball.
So in the summer I was if I wasn't at
golf or basketball camp, I would go up to my
elementary school here in Harringford Township, Coopertown and just hit
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balls forever. And then if I got board hitting balls,
I would go to the basketball court and play basketball
for a living, and then I would go back to
hitting balls. So I took that and I said, okay,
I'm going to start there. And then there was a
time when me and my friend I used to bring
my friends up too. I said, let's go hit golf balls,
and they're like, what, you know, we're gonna stay in
the air conditioning and play at the time, like Nintendo
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or Sega Genesis. So we were up there and a
kid sliced one really badly and broke a window in
the school, and I came up with the idea to
find a softball and stick it into the window so
that we wouldn't get banned from playing golf. You know,
there's signs all over parks and playgrounds now no golfing
on school grounds or whatever. So I was like, well,
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if we put a softball in there, you can take
the golf call out. Then they won't, you know, band
hitting golf balls that genius. Like, we went into the woods,
like behind the softball fields until we found a softball,
and you know, I made it into like this kind
of check trek through the jungle. So that's an early
scene in the book. And then there are a few
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other ones, like from when I was up at edge
of mount hitting golf ball and battling this whole crotchety member.
So I just took the main stories and kind of
tied them together in between.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
That's how rusted in the book, right, the crotchet.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Yeah, yeah, how rusting. You can probably picture them. He's
like he walks slow, always wears golf shoes, has his
shirt on tucked. His eyes are bloodshot, his cheeks are red.
He wakes up and has a drink. He has a
drink before bed.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
We know that guy, we know, we know feel who. So, Nate,
caddying is in your blood, right, talk about that, right,
your father, your uncle talk about the caddying side of things,
and uh, you know, obviously it's very important to you
and and and where you do it is is pretty incredible.
But just talk about how that was instilled in you,
maybe by your your dad and your uncle.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Sure. So, my dad and my uncle grew up in
southwest Philly and they found their way to Cops Creek.
Their dad, who passed away before I was born, was
a golfer and used to play a Cops Creak And
then eventually they started caddying at Philadelphia Country Club and
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then on Mondays during section events, they would just go
and you know, find a bag and then a lot
of caddies did that and that's how they ended up
caddying on tour. So my uncle did that, and then
when my dad was old enough he did that too.
My dad caddied on tour I think for three or
four years full time, and then I was born and
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my mom was like, that's enough. He still jabs me
for it. He's like, if it wasn't for you, I'd
still be out there on tour. Like when my uncle
had all that success caddying for Tom Watson, my dad's like,
that could have been me.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Ruined it.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
So he caddied on. My dad caddied on tour for
Tom Pertzer. They won the La Open in nineteen seventy
seven at Riviera. And then my uncle did it too,
on and off and eat a full time job. And
then when Bruce Edwards died, my uncle started caddying for
Tom Watson. Wow, it's pretty incredible, you know. He was
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on the bag in two thousand and nine when he
almost won the Open at Turnberry. And then when I
was fourteen, my dad said, you're gonna go over to
Mary and he took me over and I just started caddying,
and I literally have pretty much been there every year
since nineteen ninety five. I took a year or two
often I was writing as a sportswriter and I couldn't
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do it. And then when I went back to school
to get certified to teach, I went back to marrying.
So I've been there pretty much for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Didn't your uncle basically introduce Tom Watson to Bruce Edwards
in a way?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yeah, he has has had so many connections and he
knows so many people that he's done that, and you
know everywhere he goes, just make introductions. He helped me.
It's ton with another project that I'm working on. I'm
connecting me with a good friend and his Michael Bamberger.
Oh yeah, I have a couple more things in the
works if I can find time to do them.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Well, you've been around some incredible players at Marion.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Who's the best golfer that you've ever watched up close?
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Or maybe looped?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
For?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Two thousand and five? This is a cool story US amateur.
I caddied for a kid from Perdue named Bobby Bennett
who missed the cut. And then I was writing for
a really small community paper in fish Down called The Spirit,
so I was in the shower getting ready to go
to work and the caddy master at Marion, who's my
boss now, Tim Carroll, called me and he said a
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caddy didn't show up. You have to meet us on
the first green. Can you do it? And I just
yelled to my mom. I'm like, Mom, I need you
to get the car ready. We're going to marry And
this was maybe a mile and a half away from
my parents' house. So we meet him on the first green.
I don't even have my bib on. A member was
carried his bag from the tee to the green and
I put the bib on and he has this huge,
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like sixty foot breaker from the back of the green
to the front, and he's like, what do you think?
And I was, you know, I didn't even know what
the heck was going on. I didn't even know his name.
And then I pointed to a spot and he drained it.
And his name was Kevin Chappell, who went on to
the NCAA Individual champ at UCLA, one on the corn
(16:15):
Ferry Tour, one on the PGA Tour, played forever still
playing out there on corn Ferry and some tour events,
and he won a couple of matches and we kept going,
so it was it was a cool experience. He was
definitely one of the best. And then I carded for
Patty Harrington once and I tell people this story all
the time when we get to eleven at mary and
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you know the famous hole where Bobby Jones clinched the
Grand Slam, and Patty Harrington's like, watch this and he
get teas it up on the back team and takes
like five steps back, like what's he gonna do. He's
kind of facing the golf hole now, and he just
starts running like Happy Gilmore toward the golf ball and
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does the Happy Gilmore from eleven t and drives it
over the green. Was like a three forty five carry,
no joke. So that was definitely cool thing, of course,
and he was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
How long did it take you to learn the greens
at Marion? I mean you started at what fourteen or so.
That had to be really intimidating going out there your
first maybe year or so doing loops there.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
So I think one of the things that helped me
as a writer was that I've always been observing. I'm
usually a quiet kind of kid who just sits back
and watches. That's how it was when I was a kid.
So I just watched, like the pro caddies, you know,
they weren't pro caddies, but they were veteran caddies who
could have been toward caddies for sure, Guys who loved
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it and loved getting in there and reading putts. And
that's definitely the biggest obstacle for caddies, especially at marlier
marrying early on, because the greens are so difficult there.
So I just watched and watched and watched, and you know,
eventually I just start stepping in and you know, trying
to read them the best I can. And there's still
spots that kind of confused me, especially sixteen and eleven
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is a tough green to read. Seven can be tough
in some spots. I tell this story too, I'm not
afraid to admit it. I had eed in the Curtis
Cup in twenty twenty two for a girl on GB
and I teen named Anabelle Fuller who played for the
University of Florida, A great kid playing on the Ladies
European Tour now and we were on thirteen and the
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pin was front right and we were back left, and
the pin isn't always in that spot, and the golf
ball hardly ever stays back there. So I remember seeing
it and thinking, oh god, I've never read this pot
in my life, you know, even after thirty years. So
I literally thought she could avoid this big slope and
put it off to the right and just you know,
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kind of tap it in and make three and move on.
But she really had to play it like five feet
left and just tap it, and the slope would take
it all the way down. So she starts a little
right like I asked her to, and it broke still
like five feet right, and she looked at me, and
I guess on the broadcast, I'm not sure who it was,
but whoever was commenting on that whole was like, even
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with and there's another caddy in the group, even with
two experienced marrying caddies and two great players, they still
couldn't read the pucker let me have it. So I wasn't.
I was at the start of the summer when I
was just coming out of school, so I didn't have
any loops under my belt. And you know, each spring,
I think you need to get some loops on your belt.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
To kind of reacquainted.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Yeah, so it was a disaster, but you know, luckily
I read a lot of them right, And that was.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
But a testament to the course, which is obviously a
top course in Philly. If you watch the show, you
know I always asked this question. You can't pick Marian
because we've already talked about it. What is your favorite
Philadelphia course?
Speaker 5 (19:53):
This is an easy one, and I tell people at
Marrying this all the time, especially when a caddied for
a golf mills member, because we have some golf mills
slash Marion members. Golf mills by far super quiet place.
You know, they might get forty to fifty players a
day versus you know, three sometimes four times that at Marrion.
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The layout is outstanding, the land is really cool. The
best thing about Marion is that there aren't two holes
anywhere near like, and there aren't two greens anywhere near like.
And I think you can stay the same of golf mills.
Every hole is different, every green is different, a lot
of elevation changes, a lot of cool stuff going on there.
So golf mills right in your kop I would get
for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, I love awesome, great stuff. Well, thank you for
joining us. Make sure you check out The Philly Phenoms
wherever books are sold. I'm going to order a couple
for my nephews right now for their summer reading. And congratulations.
I know that was a labor of love and to
get to the finish line. And I ready, so you're
real spinning for your next.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
It's gonna be a good one. I'm switching back to
the nonfiction world. Stay tuned. This is going to be
a wild one.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Awesome, excited, excited to hear it. Thanks for joining us
and continue success. Let's take a quick break and we
will be right back. Thanks for having all right, welcome
back to Swing and Ding. It great to talk to
Nate Oxman. What he's probably seen it all at Mary
and Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Man, imagine being fourteen your dad has been like, come on,
time to go to Marion now, sure, fine.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Man, unbelievable, unbelievle Check it out. The Philly Phenoms looks
like a great, great book for the young junior golfer
or motivating a young person to become a junior golfer.
I might do it. I might grab one for my
daughter too. Yeah, get her, get her interested one of them, Uh,
the Travelers, He's got a lot of options, Keegan Bradley.
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Everybody down three with four to play. I mean, you
know obviously on eighteen the nine iron to six foot Birdie,
but there was so much going on that hole too, Right,
You have Fleetwood his situation, then all of a sudden,
Henley just chips one in the crowd's going crazy. You
got to refocus. Fleetwood does not execute, gives gives Keegan
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a read, to say the least, and Keegan gets it
done fifteen under two sixty five three point six million
dollars and just dominates the Ryder Cup conversation. Uh, wild finish,
wild finish in Connecticut, to say the least.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, I actually caught those last couple of holes. And
you know, we were talking with some guys at my club
that day. You know, they you think Tommy gets it done.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I'm like, no, I literally almost texted you, Harry going
to win.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
He's not going to win. And it's not like I'm
rooting against him. But yeah, you mentioned Keegan brad of
the eighth win. He's fourth in the last three years,
a repeat. Now at the Travelers, he's a two time winner. There,
which is the New England event. So it means a
lot to him and they mean a lot, or he
means a lot to them. It's his ninth top twenty
of the year, three top tens in his last four tournaments.
(23:05):
And now you mentioned Moosey's ninth in the Ryder Cup
points less and I'm looking at some of those other names,
you know that could be Captain's picks, like is he
take is he taking Maverick.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
McNeely over himself? No way, no way am I doing that.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I mean I might even boot out Ben Griffin for
Keegan Bradley at this point. And Griffin's playing He's playing
great golf with the two wins. One was a team event,
but yeah, he was outstanding and I love, you know,
when the crowd gets behind him with all.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
The USA stuff and he feeds off of it.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
You know some golfers do and some sort of I
guess tune it out or try to tune it out,
but he loves it. And you know, the more I think,
even if he played in a hostile environment, he would
feed off the hostility, you.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Know, like you do in a Ryder Cup scene. So
he's perfect for this. To me, he has to be
on the team, and I think, well this week too.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Notice he's playing again right after he won an elevated
event won. I think he wants to make sure he
locks this down. So it's like a no brainer that
Keegan's going to be a playing captain, and so be it.
But Tommy Fleetwood, to me, was the story. He Bogi's
sixteen and eighteen to lose. He hit it over the
green on sixteen and then he misses a seven footer
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on eighteen, But the decision with the clubbing on eighteen,
I think is what really did him in.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
He didn't believe in it.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
He didn't believe in that shot with that club, and
it came up short and ends up losing.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
But all class Tommy Fleetwood is.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Tommy Fleetwood faced the media immediately after and opened up
his heart to what was happening with that, and that's
what we want and that's all we asked these guys. Morikawa,
McElroy take note that guy has never.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Won on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Nobody wants to win more than him, and he was
there to face the media as the class act that
he is, and I applaud him.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
For it, no doubt, no doubt about it. I mean gutted. Right,
they the angle where he can't even watch the putt
go in, right, the entire the entire crowds against you.
All you have to do is execute. You're in position,
You're in the middle of the fairway. Yeah, and uh
and doesn't get it done.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Force a playoff at least, you know, at least.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
I literally thought I thought we were going to see
a playoff.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, how about the Henley story. Oh, he chips in,
chips in, and he gave himself a penalty. He said
the ball moved a dimple. Are you guys calling a
penalty on yourself if a ball moves at them?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
First of all, I can't see it ball. I'm sixty
years old this Sunday moose. I got no shot even
with these on.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
But yeah, you have to, you have to.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I've not if I don't see it, well, I don't
if you.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
Don't see it.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
But if it moves at all, it's just you know,
I actually was on the bag for a Brandon before
and I don't It's definitely on Latin tour and he
was I don't know, maybe T two like in contention
to win. I think he still plays pretty high that week,
but in the bunker, like went to put his club
down and moved a little bit.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
He's like, I got to call penalty, and myself like what.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I was like, are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
He's like, yeah, I didn't see anything.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I was like, that did not move, but he had
a call I don't like. So I think it's just
part of the game. It's the integrity, like you have
to call whether it moves a dimple or not.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah. Yes, Well some of the other guys you have
Jason Day with a T four, Rory and Scheffler wind
up T six, which was which was interesting when you
when you see it, and then JT T nine gets
the top ten. But yeah, I mean it was all
about the finish. It was all about eighteen and that
is a great finishing hole. It's becoming, you know. I
think Amanda Quota is one of the great theaters in
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the game of golf now and it truly is. To
add Keegan too, the mix and the crowd up there,
and it just was an awesome, awesome finish. I mean,
think about all that went on on that one hole
with Henley Fleetwood Keegan. I mean, that's that's enough. I'm
in a that's a full episode of full swing right
crazy crazy, Yeah, But how's Henin and Ryder cup in
(27:07):
seven in the world? How I don't know?
Speaker 6 (27:09):
That doesn't mouth is a.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Math that doesn't job it to me, but I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Saturday, I had to go to another sixtieth birthday party
for a guy that I grew up with. So I'm
I'm gonna miss the golf right because I knew they
wouldn't have it on and I couldn't be watching it
there anyway, So I dvard it right, and I'm so
looking forward to watching Scotty and JT in the final pairing,
like just together, knowing it's not even the final round.
(27:35):
I had JT in my one and done, so I
was really pumped up for this.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I watched the first hole before I left for the party.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Scotty puts up a freaking triple on the first hole.
He mixes seven, hits all ball out of the bunker.
Oh yeah, airmail's the green, then hits the chip and
it rolls right back to him, makes a seven, a
total mess. JT Bird is it so he's now got
a four s lead. Then he ends up putting a
quad up on the thirteenth pole, par five hit it
(28:05):
in the water, I guess once or twice, and the
whole the whole.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Round went to But I didn't even watch it, like you.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Two of the best players in the world, you know,
just putting up these unbelievable scores.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It was crazy, absolutely crazy. JT. You mentioned T nine.
That was all because of that one hole.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
If he did, if he makes par there, he's in
the mix in the in down down the stretch on Sunday,
and who knows what happens.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yeah, well, Harry, you mentioned those names too, and then
you sent something in our group text with just the
broadcast and the first round viewership up thirty seven percent,
which was the biggest opening round in almost twenty years.
And then obviously Keegan probably and those other players pulled
in some additional coverage because CBS pulled in three point
five million viewers on the final day, which is wild.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
It's pretty crazy though, because when you think about it,
Keegan Bradley, Tommy Fleetwood, Russell Henley is not j T.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Scotti, Scheffler, you know what I mean. Jordy Speed, Rory
and all those guys.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Really good numbers, Yeah for sure, Yeah, well, speaking of JT,
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Speaker 4 (29:10):
Yeah, well, we Harry started a little bit with the
key the Kegan Ryder Cup buzz. So I really want
to get into this a little bit more because obviously
after this win that we just talked about the Travelers
a signature event Kegan, We're the big conversation is that,
you know, for a guy who has more PGA Tour
wins than anybody not named Scotty Scheffler, you know, what
(29:32):
do we do?
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Is he is he going to be the playing captain?
Is he not?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
He should have been on the Ryder Cup that Netflix
episode Lives rent Free. In my head, I just feel
so bad for him where I'm like, you know, he's
like telling his wife like get ready, like they're coming
over and I'm going to get the nod and he
doesn't get it, and then you know captain and it's
just like what is he? What is he going to do?
The last Ryder Cup playing captain was Arnold Palmer in
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nineteen sixty three looking that up because I was like, wait,
like who's done this?
Speaker 6 (30:03):
When's the last time?
Speaker 4 (30:03):
And then I was like wait a second, Okay, really
like hasn't been done. But my vote, I say we
let him play. He's a Northeast guy. I went to
Saint John's. He calls beth Bage's favorite course in the world.
You know, his first hole in one there. I think
it's a no brainer. We mentioned that he's seventh in
the world ranking, so you know, Keagan even said after
(30:25):
this win changes the story a little bit. I never
would have thought about playing if I hadn't won. This
definitely opens the door to play. But I'm saying, here's
my question to you guys. If Team USA doesn't have
Keegan as playing captain, are they actually putting out their
best team?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
No?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I mean, you know, you play in the singles obviously,
because all twelve guys play in that, and then maybe
play in one, you know, one or two of the
other rounds out of the other four. You know, team events,
you know, find he will find his best playing partner,
and you know he plays three times.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
He doesn't play in all five you can do.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
You know, there's captain duties and all that, but he's
got assistant captains that can take up.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
The load, Delegate man and go.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Play exactly delegate. That's all he has to do. Speaking
of that's what Moose.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Does at the radio station master delegator.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
You have to that's how you get stuff done.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
But we just mentioned Full Swing.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
So Ben Griffin's fiancee, Dana, she was on this podcast
that's a little bit newer. It's called Birdie Little Secrets
where the these two girls that host they have on
mostly like PGA tour Wives or Corn Fairy Wives, and
they you know, have to share a Birdie Little Secret
at the end of the show, and Dana said, Okay,
I asked, you know, Ben, if I could share this.
Full Swing is starting to film us tomorrow. But there's
(31:43):
an asterisk by that with her saying that she they
don't know if it'll ever air. You know, Netflix will
come out and start filming, but it's either like, you know,
you guys are interesting enough or you're not, or you know,
wait till some drama happens or whatever.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
So we could see Ben Griffin interesting. Yeah, Full Swing coming.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
So so yeah, moving on with some tea. I just
this one's for my guy Harry, because I know he
loves Rory so over on the DP World Tour, Rory
gave us a moment I don't know if you guys
see all he hit this flop shot and the givoc
basically traveled just as far as the ball.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
He also had a nice hole out for eagle.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
In the par four third hole from like one hundred
and fifteen out just kind of spun back into the
cup and he goes hole out like kind of threw
his hand out and or up in the air. So
I just wanted to, you know, share some moory love
for my guy Harry.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Absolutely, I don't deny his talent. He's terrific.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, and more over on the DP World Tour, I
feel like I don't talk about it enough.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Marcell Steem do you guys.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Know Marcell Okay, ponytail right, entertaining like I mean, I
went down a rabbit hole of Marcel.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Look.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
I was like, this is just so funny, but this
is some golf chaos. He's a funny guy. This man
sent three course records, one being at Pebble Beach running
on those sleeps, completely hammered, and he quoted I threw
up twice in the round. He still shot sixty two
with a three putt.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
On eighteen.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
He played with Kelly Slater, who confirmed that scene was
on fifty nine Watch by Whole seven. He flopped in
an eagle from the rough on six and he said
it was just absolute like mayhem, and Marshall was saying, like, yeah,
I played with Kelly, which is awesome.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
He goes, I don't know if he knew that I
threw up.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
He goes, he probably smelled it or whatever. And then
Kelly commented on the Instagram post. He's like, no, dude,
you told me after the round that he threw up,
but he said he finished, and he's like, all right,
I'm going to like eat a hogy and go to
bed or whatever. And they're like, no, you just shot
like a course record like you're you know, among the
likes of you know, like Arnold Palmer and naming all
these like other guys who had a course record there.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
And they're like, we need to interview you. And he's like,
I'm done.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
But apparently three course records all running on no sleep
completely hammered. So I thought that was funny. If you
guys go over to the DP world or Instagram and
then check that out, there's it's a pretty good interview
with him.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Kelly Slater's the surfer right the fact surf.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
And then I don't know if you guys saw this,
but James piat is back in the mix kind of
remember he was one of those first guys to jump
ship and go to Live Golf. He hasn't played a
live event since twenty twenty three, which now makes him eligible.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
For PGA Tour events. And guess what, the Rocket mortgage
gave him the call.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
So this is a first lived effector to get a
sponsor asumption. He's in the field this week home game
because he's from Michigan.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
So interesting, Yeah, I thought so too.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Wow, Yeah, he played at Michigan State. I think I remember,
I remember when he went to Live.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
Yeah, he was one of the first to go over.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
So but then I don't know, you know, he hasn't
played since twenty twenty three, so I don't know if
that was like a rankings or he fell off or
what happened. But so yeah, I'm interested to see, like,
you know, if he places it makes the cut in
places of what that does in terms of playing more events,
because this is again a sponsoring resumption.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
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Speaker 3 (35:28):
Great stuff, great stuff, Harry. Before we started, we were
talking to Nate and the heat does not bother you.
You're out there, you're swinging golf clubs right now.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, right, Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I was out yesterday for about an hour and a
half on the short game area at the nineteen twelve
club and there were a couple other groups out there
playing too. Some of the guys that I know were
out there too, but not a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah. I mean, it is insanely hot these ties.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
But I wear one of the big I wear one
of the big you know, old guy hats, and now
that goes like the caddies wear, you know, and it
really keeps the heat off your face and your neck.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
It makes a difference you.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Wear that hat and you wear wear SPF and you're.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Exactly all my arms and all my legs.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yes, absolutely are your sleep guy.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
Hair.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
No, I haven't gone there yet, but I might. Yeah,
I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I went and saw our friend Corey Riley, former guests
of the program, Great Club Fitter, down at five Iron Golfing.
I got some new irons man. Yeah, it was time, Yeah,
it was time. So I got the callaway Apex. Yeah,
so I gotta I gotta bust them out.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
What'd you get six through wedge?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, exactly nice. Yeah, I don't do four or five.
I just did six.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I don't do six anymore either, but yeah, you'll be there, yeah, yeah,
looking forward to trying them out, looking forward to Do
you have any any other round scheduled right now? Hair, Uh, nothing,
nothing outrageous, probably play you know, for my birthday this weekend.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Turns sixty this weekend, whoa dad one?
Speaker 6 (37:03):
Yeah Sunday, Oh, happy early birthday.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Yeah, we have to say happy birthday to Teddy he
turned sixty five yesterday. Oh yes, and then my daughter
turns one tomorrow, so it's a it's a week of
swinging to get fan birthdays.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, absolutely unbelievable tremendous eff But I'm going to be
out there today too.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I'm going out. I'm actually going over to Lulu late
this afternoon.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
See at least you guys can still play.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Everything down here is closed because it's yeah, I mean,
there's reciprocals at certain clubs, but they kind of try
to like rotate through, but everything is shut down. I
mean it's one hundred percent humidity ninety to one hundred
degrees every day.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
It feels like one hundred.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm I'm gonna get around in
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Z And as we look ahead to the Rocket mortgage.
This is always always a fun event. I mean it's tough.
You're coming off of us opening a signature event. It
does not sit in the greatest place on the calendar.
I think you only have three guys that are under
two thousand odds, Keegan Can't Let and Colin Morikawa. But
(38:27):
let's talk about the course of course in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, the Detroit Golf Club Donald Ross designed back in
nineteen sixteen a classic track, and Tyler Ray actually has
done a renovation here in the in the last year
of the north course par seventy two seven and seventy
yards similar length to Oakmont. The greens and fifty square
(38:52):
feet on average, and they are bent grass and poanna.
The fairways, approaches and collars are the same. The rough
is that Kentucky bluegrass mix and it's four inches and
growing eighty seven sand bunkers, only one water hazard and
it's in play on one hole. The par five fourteenth hole.
Average fairway is thirty yards wide. Numbers one and two
(39:14):
are actually numbers eight and nine for the members, and
number three is played from the north sides one tee
to the south's one green. Kind of strange the way
they do that, but this is a place where you
got to have great wedge game and putting. It's it's
not gonna be It's not daunting for these guys off
the tee, but it's it's wedges and putting the I'm
(39:36):
assuming they're doing that three to one three challenge again
on holes fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen. I think three to
one three is the area code out there. And it's like,
if you make an eagle on fourteen, which is a three,
a eagle on a hole in one on fifteen par three,
and then a birdie on sixteen, you win like some
(39:57):
incredible prize given away by Rocket Warts.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah. I don't think anybody's come close to doing it yet,
but this is a cool.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Design, you know, Like you mentioned, you know, Moose, It's
like one of these weeks where it's sort of an
exhale where you're just like all right, and you know,
maybe maybe I'll just play my own golf.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Might might not tune in. But there's guys in the field,
like you mentioned, are there for a reason. They need
to win.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Morikawa can't lay, Wyndham Clark, cam Young is getting close again.
He's starting to play really good golf and all four
of those guys could really use a w and Min
Wu Lee is also in the field. He's got to
win this year in Houston. But his sister just won
a third major of her career by three shots. You
(40:44):
know this past week in Texas. So maybe Minji's success
will motivate min Wu and maybe he comes through with
another w this week.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Yeah, no doubt. You have Cam Davis who won this
event twice riting last year, Ricky Fowler in twenty twenty three,
and Tony Fenw in twenty two. To say it here
to your point, there's no like one kind of person
that can win them. You get a little bit of
everything here.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Fe now Withdrew Now he's no longer in the field.
He was in the field, but he's withdrawn. I don't
know if he's heard or what.
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Speaker 3 (42:38):
All right, so let's see you got more kala, right?
We talked about only a couple guys under that two
thousand and Mori Kala looking at the bet parksport at
twelve hundred, can't lay sixteen hundred, Keegan Bradley eighteen hundred.
Then Ben Griffin at twenty two hundred. You mentioned Cam Young,
how about Hedcky Matsi Yama. Yeah, you know, sitting at
three thousand, that's an interesting one. I like a matchup here,
(43:00):
can't lay uh plus one oh five head to head
over Colin Wrikala. I think, I know, I know, I know, can't.
He's been struggling, like he's such a great putter and
he seems to be struggling a little bit. But you know,
when those guys find it lights out, and I think
he's someone that he wants to be playing better right now,
I think you know he's again. The Ryder Cup implications
are huge for a bunch of these guys in the field.
Ben Griffin, right, the one you talked about, so.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Camp has a second place here too, and the one
I think the one other time he's played it.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
So yeah, it's the golf course.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah. I see a lot of love for Matt Fitzpatrick
this week. Yeah, so interesting at that four thousand number.
That is an interesting one also, Keith Mitchell, right in
that scene in that same area, what are you seeing here?
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Well, I'm going with Oha for something. For some reason,
I'm seeing ox Shay, but Tilla.
Speaker 6 (43:47):
There's no palm trees.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
No, I know, but but he's Detroit, played well here before,
and he's another guy in need of a good week.
He's kind of been off a little bit, and you
know he's got it. He took some rest and I
think he's a really good wedge player. He's not great
around the greens if he misses the green, not a
great shipper, but he's a really good putter. So I
think his wedge game and putting will will play well here.
(44:10):
Plus one eighty in a top twenty, and I'm gonna
probably take him in my one and done, and I'm
taking him over Minwu in a matchup at minus one fifteen.
You mentioned Ben Griffin. I'm taking him minus one fifty
over Cam Young.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
In a matchup.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
And Luke Clanton is in the field again. This is
I guess his second tournament now as a professional, didn't.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Do too badly in his first.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
One Plus one seventy in a top twenty, I will
take it.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
How about Max Homer seventy five hundred, Yeah, man, that's
a long number.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
And the other way he finds it, he's gonna find
it again, right. Really, nobody works harder at trying to
get back than that guy.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
He will find it.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
That's why it's worth throwing a couple bucks on him,
even in the top ten. The other guy do on
the lie Stephen Jaeger. Jaeger is popping out to me,
it's a big it's a big number at six thousand. Yeah,
well we'll see how it shakes out.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
It definitely is. Yeah oxhe who is the other guy
I was looking at?
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well, can't Ley? I know we mentioned needs a big week.
There's so many Oh, Wyndham Clark. I'm really curious to
see what he's got this week. There's some people in
the betting markets that really like him this week.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Ya, And I'm saying that too, yeah, aren't you? And
I was just like, wow, you know, but who knows?
Speaker 1 (45:23):
I mean, these guys that are this good, it's like
one day they can just.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Sort of figure it out.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
And away they go, yeah, yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
But I got some shout outs that I've forgotten over
the last couple of.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Weeks to throw out here.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
A couple of guys at the nineteen twelve club were
one's a champion. Caleb Ryan Methodist University won the Division
three NC DOUBLEA championship there. It's a college down in
North Carolina. He was part of the starting five NC
DOUBLEA champs and he's he's in the golf program down
there and is now. He'll be working at golf mills
(46:01):
this summer in his internship, looking to be a club
pro and run a golf course someday, very soon.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
And his brother Josh Ryan finished T.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Ten at the Sonny Hannah Amateur back the same week
at the US Open that in Johnstown, PA, just about
maybe forty five minutes or so from over the Sonny Hannah. Yeah,
he got a top ten. I think he finished T.
Eight in that event. So congratulations to both those brothers.
And Evan Brown, a local guy, is getting his first
PGA Tour start this week. He Monday Q into the
(46:36):
Rocket Mortgage. He's a guy from Kennett Square Golf Club
also plays out down in Hilton Head, but he played
college golf at Loyal.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
In Maryland and then his final year of.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Eligibility at Ole Miss And happened to run in him
down at the PGA show for about a half hour.
Had a great conversation with Evan, So good luck to
him this week.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Sweet And how about a congrats to our Legacy Club
Member member champs Jordan Rosenblatt and Dave Alperstein took it down.
So yeah, I played that course on Thursday before the
member member it was like the Oakmont ruff. I'm like,
what do we do it here?
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, it was. It was brutal. So anyone who won
that event, uh, they had they had to work hard
and to get it done.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
So yeah, you got thick and very consistent rough.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
If I remember over there at the Legacy Club, it's
it can be yeah and then sick yeah, and the
Greens were rolling so oh yeah yeah. Oh.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
And also Miguel Anghel Jimenez.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
I know we don't talk much about the Champions Tour,
but he won for the fourth time this season, made
his twenty foot pot on the second playoff hole to
beat Steven Alker, and he needed a birdie birdie finish
on seventeen and eighteen.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
To just forced the playoff.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
But it's his third major and his seventeenth career win
on PGA Tour champions He's now sixty one years old,
so we're looking at you know, maybe like a Bernhard
Langer light here at this age it's going you know,
me me turning sixty this week. I'm especially you know,
inspired by these old guys, you know, who can still
get it done. And the US Senior Open is actually
(48:10):
this week at the Broad Morning in Colorado. I'm very
interested to see, you know, some of the some of
that golf course.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Yeah, yeah, great stuff. Thanks to Nate Oxman for joining us.
Make sure you check out the Philly Phenoms. Great gift
for the young aspiring junior golfer in your life. And uh,
we'll be back next week. Getting closer to the last major.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Of the year.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Can't believe it, believe many really, it's yeah, only eight
or nine more events in the whole calendar till the
end of the Wild the one and done, and it's
getting tight.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
It is for some people. Yeah, all right, thanks for listening,
Thanks for watching it. We'll be back next week.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
It to listen, swing it and dang it.
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