Swing It & Ding It: Episode 237

Joined by Drew Carr- President Fidelity Sports Group. Krisa Mayes Hole in One, The Tea with D, Preview of The Open Championship, See The Line with Bet Parx and the Course of Course with Harry Mayes.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
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We are by a very special guest, the one and
only Drew Carr, President of Fidelity Sports Group. Drew Welcome
to swing and dig it.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Appreciate it absolutely so. We thought it'd be cool to
get your perspective as a as a sports agent, rights
as someone working in the world of golf. That to
me and to everyone else on the outside, it would
seem like has gotten pretty complicated over the past couple
of years. But I'm wondering from your perspective, is that true?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I mean, there's more information out there than ever, Right,
there's more. There's two tours out there now, which a
couple of years ago there there was two major major tours,
and a lot of other stuff in the world of golf,
whether it's YouTube or sponsorship. So talk to us about
the current landscape your perspective on the game of golf
right now?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, it's It's definitely complicated, There's no doubt about it.
I've been in the business almost twenty years now, since
two thousand and six, and it seems to get more
and more complicated and different ways every year. I think.
To speak positively, I think some of the chaos is

(02:07):
calming down. Live is what it is. It's it's here.
I don't know that it's necessarily going anywhere. I think
that's more of a function of do the backers behind
it get bored at some point? You don't have potentially
trillions of dollars by you know, losing money too often,

(02:29):
and it's it's not a sustainable venture from a traditional
business standpoint. But I think the PGA Tour has found
its footing. I think that this new CEO announcement is
really interesting. I don't know a ton about him, but
I think his background, the combination of coming from the
NFL and really overseeing some of their new venture business

(02:53):
in their media is in my opinion, a soft spot
for the tour that hopefully he can push things forward quickly.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
So true, you obviously talked about a lot of changes
that are happening within the golf world. But for people
who don't know what a golf agent actually does. What
you know your day to day looks like, give us
the Drew Car job description. Tell us what your day
to day looks like.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, it's always it's always interesting. You know. We try
to be I would say, a utility resource for the players.
I think in some other sports football, basketball, primarily, a
lot of the athletes have an agent and they have
somebody that's maybe more of a friend who's their quote

(03:43):
unquote manager. That really very rarely exists in golf. The
agency or the agent serves both roles. So you have
the traditional things that everybody thinks of of, you know,
doing the deals, the logos that the players are wearing
manage those relationships. But the approach that we take is,

(04:05):
you know, to try to always be a resource for
folks that you know, things that are inside the ropes
or outside the ropes. The relationship that we do our
best to pursue with our clients gets very personal. So
we're talking about personal stresses. We're talking about you know,
building new homes, how to finance that. You know, we

(04:27):
we try to serve as the quarterback of the team.
So if somebody needs a new financial advisor, a new caddy,
a new swing coach, a new sports psychologist, we always,
in I think the best scenario, serve as the hub
for that. And then our rolodex becomes the rolodex of
the player. And when you're you know, nineteen turning pro

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twenty two, you don't know all those folks, so you know,
it's really just trying to be an overall resource. I
think the maybe an analogy to make is that the
the golfer is always the quarterback on the field, and
we're kind of like the left tackle you know, we're
looking out for them, maybe protecting the blind side, and

(05:10):
you know, if we need to, you know, push somebody
back because they're abusing our quarterback. You know, sometimes we
have to fill that role as well.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Well, you brought up Live, and so I have a
lot of questions about Live. I don't know how much
you can you can answer or not, but it's just
it blows my mind, you know, like that this whole
thing happened, and I'm just wondering, Like, you know, we
hear all the rumors about what these guys, certain guys
got paid, and I don't know what to believe. And
I really don't even care. But like, do they get

(05:39):
paid when they when they play a tournament too or
do they get all their money up front? Are they
paid like a salaried employee. What can you tell us
about their arrangement with their money?

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well, let me let me first say a disclaimer that
we somewhat intentionally have not executed a live agreement. We
they had to Live had an outside agency over in
London that was really doing the recruiting. We did have
some early conversations a few years ago about them, and

(06:12):
so anything I share here is rumor mill or fodder.
From what I hear in the locker room and out
on tour, my understanding is that there are a few
different levels of agreements that exist on Live. There are
some players that got their upfront money and that really
served as an advance. I think we heard of that

(06:34):
a few years ago where Charles Schwartzel I think it
was that I didn't get any prize money, and so
they're working that off based on the prize money that
they receive. There's other players that are getting the best
of both worlds, and I think part of that is
probably a factor of when they joined the tour they're

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standing in the world of golf, maybe how bad Live
wanted them, potentially how good of a job their agent did.
But you know, recently, I'm I'm hearing that you know,
some of the some of the deals, or maybe a
lot of the deals, including some of the biggest names,
the players actually sign off all their media rights actually

(07:17):
to Live. So you know, what a player is doing
on YouTube and monetizing that channel or Instagram and monetizing
that channel, that money is actually going to Live. There's
also some rumors that, you know, some front facing endorsements
that are with specific players, that money goes to Live.

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So it's this very odd balance that these players basically
flipped the table of professional golf and what they were
upset about at the PGA Tour they signed up for.
With Live, they just got more money for it and
more guaranteed money. Some of our concerns with Live in

(08:00):
the early discussions were that, you know, in our opinion,
the guidance that was provided was not correct. Live and
their organizers were very bullish that this was a shut
and dry case in the courts, that the PGA Tour
was acting illegally. And corporate law in the US is

(08:24):
very different than corporate law in England. Were much more
kind of corporate protection and England is much more you know,
worker protection, and so I think you saw that with
the temporary restraining order case. You know, there were Live
players rumored to be parked in Memphis ready to play
the playoff event and they were shocked that they lost

(08:46):
the tro and then you see the court case wind down.
So I think the only the only people that won
in that process were the lawyers because there was some
mass of legal fees. So I don't know if that
completely answers your question, But I think it is a
bit on a case by case basis, and I think

(09:07):
it'll be very interesting as some of these contracts start
coming up for renewal. What does that look like? You know,
are they are? They are the players expecting another big
signing bonus. Live may say, hey, we you've gotten your
transfer bonus. Now you play for prize money. And you

(09:27):
know what's the trickle down effect to that on people
migrating either more towards the DP World Tour we've already had.
You know, Henio Chakara came out with some pretty powerful
quotes and I think he felt a bit misled or
maybe he misunderstood what was going on with LIV and
he's left and he's playing the DP World Tour and

(09:49):
you know, my understanding is he's trying to chase the
top ten on that points list to get back to
the PGA Tour in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
So interesting, and there's so much still too to get,
you know, get figured out with all this. Yeah, So
to me, the most compelling golf that I saw this
weekend was on the lady's side at the Abbyon And
you were there on site right with a player talk
about that atmosphere over there. Were you there for the

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did you stake around to the end? Did you see
the final there? Because that was just incredible.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
I wasn't there. It was a short trip. We were
lucky enough to start working with a young lady named
Mirabel Ting. She was a student athlete at Florida State.
She won what's called the Onnaico Award, which is in
the world of women's golf, that's like winning the Heisman Trophy.
She was the number two ranked amateur in the world

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and the number one player in college, so she elected
to turn pro at nineteen years old. She's from Malaysia,
so it was actually my first time to evy On
and I was only boots on the ground Monday to
when day and I flew back to the States Thursday
morning to really just try to get her set up.
But not easy to get to. It's about a it's

(11:08):
about an hour and ten hour and twenty minute drive
or uber from Geneva, Switzerland, and it's a really cool
little lakeside town. I don't think there's a ton of
American tourism there outside of the Ebbyon. It's a I
think it's a French citizen destination for the summers, but
a really difficult golf course. You're on You're on the

(11:31):
side of a hill the whole time, there's no even lies.
We would, yeah, we we would. We would see it
in the States, you know, maybe if you're playing golf
out in Colorado or maybe in the North Carolina mountains
where you can have a putt that looks straight downhill,
but if you're going up to the mountain, it's actually uphill.

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And so I think that's why you see some very
experienced players at the top of the leaderboard. But yeah,
what a I did watch the finish on TV, and
I mean that that was electric. I mean if that
was on the men's game, you know, I think the
eyeballs and the numbers would just be through the roof.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
Yeah, sure, that's a great segue.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
You're talking about one of your newest players is talking
about the recruiting and scouting. How do you find and
sign your talent? Are you watching college events, amateur circuits,
word of mouth? How do players get on your radar?
I kind of experience that with you from the beginning,
but kind of talk a little bit more about that process.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, we we take I think there's two approaches to it.
There are some I would call Fidelity Sports Group a
client first, boutique firm, and there are some very large
firms that are conglomerates that are venture capital backed, and
it's a it's a bit more about the P and
L than maybe the client service in my opinion. And

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so what some of the bigger firms do is they
will hire an individual to basically just be a that's
how they get in the business. They are a walking
expense report for the firm. They go and all they
do is go to college events and amateur events, and
it's really to form friendships with these young players in
hopes of signing them two, three, four years down the line.

(13:16):
While we will do that from time to time, we're
not on the road full time because we have a
pretty firm belief that, you know, we have to be
our best work is done when we're in our office.
I love being out on tour, I love traveling, but
when I'm at my desk for nine to twelve hours
a day, that's when I can really be at my

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best for how we serve our folks. So the ideal
way is for me, you know, is a client referral
and we've gotten We've been lucky enough to get a
few calls over the years. Mirabelting included where a player
that we already work with calls and says, Hey, I've
got this friend that they're meeting with some groups not

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really loving what they're hearing. They've asked to speak to you.
Would you mind getting on the phone. That is the
ideal situation. And I think it's maybe not to dumb
it down too much, but you know, if I'm going
to have somebody come work on my home, I'd rather
have it have somebody come that has worked for one
of my friends at their property and the work was

(14:21):
good and they know them, and you know, it's a
pre existing relationship versus h you know, the dog and
pony show of recruiting, and you know, there's a lot
of a lot of expectations set or promises made and
then not delivered on in that setting. So I don't
know if that completely answers your question, But yeah, we
don't work off of any sort of quotas that we

(14:45):
have to sign next number of people, you know, are
we believe firmly that our current clients are our best clients,
not not one that we want to chase.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
And just to piggyback off that real quick.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
We know that NIL has changed the game and so
many other sports.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
How's it affecting golf?

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Like do you are you even able to tell any
young players like who want to go pro anything about
that or how does that play into it.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I'm not a huge fan of NIL in general. I
think it's I think it's completely out of control. It's
no different than having speed limits posted and there's no
cops to shoot a radar at you. I think they're
making some steps in general to bring some more enforcement in,
but the intent of NIL has been completely bastardized. The

(15:33):
schools are completely involved. It's completely pay for play, and
that's really more at the revenue sport level, right basketball
and football. But you know, I think it's a dangerous
thing to give an eighteen nineteen year old six figures,
seven figures to play a sport. And you know, we
saw the player I'm blanking on his name. There's a

(15:55):
quarterback that went from Auburn to Oregon and he stayed
an extra year at Oregon because he's going to make
more there than in the NFL draft. Golf. Golf is
at Yes Bus, Thank you. Golf is a little bit
more pure that the kids that are getting an IL deals.

(16:17):
They're getting some traditional support from equipment companies, maybe from
some companies back home, from some apparel brands. You know,
you saw Luke Clanton with Union Home mortgage. You know
that that's a legitimate nil deal. But there are there
are college programs that are competing in the recruiting space

(16:38):
with a checkbook, and so there are some agencies that
have actually shouldered up with kids to negotiate university to university.
We haven't gone there. We have done probably six or
seven nil deals for college players, you know, and then
it's just a matter of kind of helping them make

(16:59):
that tr transition to the pro game. But it's it's
very interesting and I think you can I think from
the sea to isid In, you can find out a
lot about the character of the kid and the family
if it's if it's just the highest bidder situation. Because
you know, Danielle, you know this, the career of a

(17:20):
pro golfer is not always as glamorous as people think.
There's a lot of peaks and valleys. There's more valleys
than peaks, and if the approach from player to agent
is what have you done for me lately? That's tough
for a long term relationship, and I think that's that's
the mindset that Nil breeds, which is a concern for me.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, no doubt, in total agreement with you regarding that
you work with Mirabel Tang. You bring up Luke Clanton,
another Florida State golfer, Lottie Woade just made the jump
from amateur to the professional tour. What can you tell
us about, like what kind of money is out there
there for a top level female talent, you know, making

(18:05):
the jump into professional golf.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, you know, we just got into the women's game
actually thanks to the Florida State program. We had a coach,
a coach that we're close with, call us and they
had a young lady who was just starting her pro career,
had an LPGA card, And admittedly we weren't in the
game because they're really underserved. There's not a lot of business.

(18:31):
Not to get into politics here, but maybe one good
thing that came out of DEI is we on calls
with agencies and brands probably in you know, twenty twenty
twenty twenty one, somewhere in there, this question kept coming
up more frequently than ever in my career. Well, who
do you have on the Ladies Tour? You know, prior

(18:52):
to COVID and maybe twenty eighteen, that question rarely came up,
and so we had a hole in what we were doing,
and so we got started with a young lady named
Amanda Doherty, who's awesome to work with. She's still on
the LPGA tour early in her career, and we've signed
four top ten amateurs in the world in the last

(19:13):
eighteen months on the women's side. To get to answer
your question, the women's Games really underserved, and I don't
necessarily blame any one party for that. It boils down
to eyeballs and the LPGA, I think struggles with audience.

(19:35):
They've struggled with media agreements and getting proper coverage. I
think there's maybe some potential tweaks they could make to
maybe they should end on a Friday or Saturday and
not compete against all of the other sports, including the
PGA Tour, that are on Sunday. I think I haven't
met the new commissioner yet, but I've heard great things.
He's very, very smart, he's very accomplished, across you know,

(19:57):
education business and then the business of golf. For a
top player in the in the women's game, you know,
I think it's a good goal for them to have
a portfolio combining guarantees and performance bonuses that get them
into the six figures. There's very few deals for young

(20:20):
players on the women's tour that start in the six figures.
Maybe a unique corporate relationship. Now, if you talk about
the Asian women Japan, China, especially Korea, those women are
their NFL quarterbacks in their home country. They are commanding
huge dollars formula Yeah. I mean some of some of

(20:44):
the equipment companies pay the women on the Japanese tour
more than they pay the women on the LPGA tour,
because the Japanese Tour is followed uh so closely and
so vervently in Japan. But there's a lot of women,
unfortunately on the LPGA that they're either choosing to buy

(21:04):
clothes there, some of them are buying golf equipment, some
of them don't. Some of them barely have any sponsors.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
I mean I have.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
You know, there's there's people that whose resumes would shock you.
Who's off the course portfolio would be a little better
than a corporate entry level job in the US. But
I think I think it's moving in the right direction.
I think what you're seeing with the w n B

(21:33):
A is great. I think the LPGA needs to continue
to build its stars. I think the LPGA and PGA
Tour are both behind in considering themselves media entities like
the MLB and NFL have and telling the stories of
these players. You know, The LPGA I think can do

(21:53):
very well with a few Caitlin Clark type figures. The
disadvantage is that nobody really cares about college golf men
or women.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Right.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
People care about women's basketball much more than they do
about even male college golf. So the advantage that the
w NBA had is Caitlin Clark was already a star.
But the more that the tours I think can lean
into storytelling around these players, that's how you get. You
couple that with tremendous performance and you can build a star.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Gotcha makes sense, Drew. We are a Philly podcast, So
talk about your Philly area roots.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, I'm I'm a native, I would say of Wilmington, Delaware.
My mom still lives in Chester County, Pennsylvania. Little Kennett Square,
so grew up playing you know, a lot of golf.
I there's so much good golf in Philadelphia that I
actually didn't I didn't play much in the Philly North area,

(22:58):
but you know, played up, grew up playing the Philly
Junior Tour stuff and gap things, and moved down to
Florida for college golf. Realized I was a good high
school player. But I wish that there was more pro
golf on both sides of gender in Philly because it's

(23:18):
a really committed fan base to sports in general. I
think people saw that at the Truest this year. They've
seen it whenever it comes to town. I would put
it right up there with New York fans. I think
it would be awesome to have a Ryder Cup in
the Philadelphia area because you can pull from three or
four states so easily and international airport and it can

(23:39):
really be good. But yeah, I try to get up,
you know, a couple times a year and get up
farther north now to Scranton for Danielle AND's charity of it.
But I don't miss it in the winters, but I
do miss it in the summers. I'm down in Orlando
Florida and it's awfully.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
Hot, but Midre, what are the important things your childhood
coach with Mike Dinde.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
What was that like? Be honest, how much therapy did
you need after that?

Speaker 3 (24:04):
You know, it's still a bill that I'm incurring. But no,
Mike was all joking aside. Mike was very very good
to me as a kid. My uh, my parents were
divorced and my mom my mom worked, and so when
I was with my mom in the summer, I got
dropped off at my own requests to wind Coat Golf
Club in Oxford, where Mike Dinda was and and Mike

(24:27):
and the head pro rob there. They really took me
under their wing that I was just kind of the
kid that hung out, and Mike gave me countless free
lessons and they'd let me sneak out on the course
and countless you know, free sodas from the snack shop
and rangeballs, and Mike really made it a home away
from home for me. And it was I mean, it

(24:49):
was like eight to five that I was there and
and Mike was great. Mike's a character, but it's been
fun to keep in touch with him over the years.
I usually see him two to three times a year,
and you know, he's like the jolly Green Giant. He's Uh,
it's tough for Mike to have a bad day.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
We're all fans of Dinda.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
We just like to poke fun here and there, but
Drew I always close out, you know, our guest with
this last question.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
Your favorite Philadelphia area? Of course.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah, I just played Rolling Green for the first time.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
Like PV we claim that, so for the first time.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, yeah, I played played Rolling Green for the first
time on a Pine Valley trip. I don't I don't
want to put Philadelphia up against Pine Valley, but Pine
Valley is definitely number one on the list. I would
say of the ones that I've played, I've got to
go Ironomic. We were we were lucky enough in high

(25:47):
school to get to play Ironomic a few times a month.
We had a kid on the team who's like grandfather
was a member or something. But that's just one of
those places that you go, yeah, this is this is
different and not knowing as a kid that it was,
you know, a tour level property. I now look back
and you know, realize how naive I was, how fortunate

(26:08):
we were to be out there.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
No doubt thanks very tu. Yeah, thanks for having me
appreciate you. Yeah, let's take a quick break and we'll
be right back, all right, Welcome back to Swing It
and Ding It cool to get the perspective of somebody
that's living in the game and trying to navigate this
complicated golf world that it has become. And Daniel I

(26:30):
didn't even you know, your point with the nil to
adding that to the equation. It's like, man, these guys
have a lot to uh to try to try to
figure out these days.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Literally, I mean you think about being a sports aage
and you're like, wow, that's a really cool job, right,
Like they get to travel, do this and that. But yeah,
Drew opened my eyes to a behind the scenes look.
And you know what he said, They are a boutique
and he just how he is with his clients or
his players. Really it's not just you know, serving contracts
and making some deals. He he he's a friend. I mean,

(27:00):
he had to jump off the podcast to help us
with a call for our charity event.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
It just Drew goes above and beyond.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Great guy and great perspective into the industry, at least
from Fideliti's standpoint.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, no, doubt, no doubt about it. So the Genesis
Scottish Open. Harry, if I told you Rory Versus got
her up straight up on Sunday in Scotland, right, what
are you thinking?

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Right?

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, I'm thinking that got her would would have melted
under the pressure and the heat of playing against one
of the best in the world. But it didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
No.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Now he goes four under sixty five or two shot
win for his second PGA Tour win he won in
twenty four at the Myrtle Beach. And it's interesting because
you know he's obviously on our radar, Jersey guy, Rutgers player.
You know, he had he missed eight of eleven cuts
to start the season. He wound up switching caddies, and
then he was inside the top thirty in eight of

(27:55):
the last nine, including four straight top twenties and at
T three at the US Open. So he's someone that
you hear it, right, all the talent in the world
obviously can hit the ball a mile. He did have
a hand injury, right, he was fighting through an injury,
so there was something more to that, but an incredible
win in that setting to play, you know, head to head,

(28:16):
starting to back nine even with Rory Mclory's incredible.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, really incredible, and they're starting you're starting to hear
some whispers now about possible Ryder Cup team inclusion if
he has a big week this week at the Open Championship,
which he was going to be playing in. That Barracuda
had to cancel his trip to California where they're playing
that and make arrangements to get to Northern Ireland for
the Open. Shows you how life can change. But he's

(28:40):
now a two time winner on the Tory won in
Myrtle Beach last year and by the way, also tied
the course record at the Renaissance Club shooting sixty one
on Friday in the second round. But that final round
sixty six, I mean, you're going up against McElroy and
this other guy, Marco Penge was playing really good golf
all week and is really good on the European Tour,

(29:03):
and he wins by two shots. You know, Rory just
couldn't do anything but make pars. He made ten straight pars,
including on two of the par fives on his final
ten holes, and got her up made a bogey on fifteen,
and you're thinking, oh, here we go, we got a
par five coming up. Rory's gonna make birdie maybe eagle,
and it just didn't happen. He makes got her up,
makes a birdie and pengin Rory both made parr and

(29:26):
that sealed the deal. So a terrific win, and you know,
just a new guy to you know, that is really
sort of, you.

Speaker 6 (29:34):
Know, validated himself.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
You win a tournament like that against a field like
that in the final day against a player named where
you have validated yourself on the PGA Tour. So we
you know, we love when we get more guys to
talk about.

Speaker 5 (29:48):
Yeah, especially when he's from Jersey.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah right, yeah, yeah, you talked about the second place guys.
But he had Nikolai Hoyguard and Matthew Fitzpatrick, which people
are very high on the t four so good to
see him playing well. And then justin Rose Straka and
then th eight Scheffler and Oberg Right, so Scheffler is
right there hanging around and right, so it's interesting going

(30:11):
into this week, right, is he is his game right
where it needs to be in Scheffler to make his move. Now,
there were some news that came out today about Wyndham
Clark he's suspended from Oakmont and can be reinstated and
contingent upon full repayment of damages, making a meaningful contribution
to a charity of the club's choice, and completing a

(30:33):
counseling and or anger management set.

Speaker 6 (30:35):
I love the counseling.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah, when we were reviewing that, I was like, Okay,
like maybe he'll do that, And then when it came
to the counseling and anger management, I'm like, he's.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Not doing so It's interesting though he does.

Speaker 6 (30:47):
He does and totally needs it.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
If anyone was watching Sunday the final round, it just
stuck out to me of a guy that just seems
to be in his own world and really doesn't really
care too much about others. They're walking up eighteen and Rory,
obviously veteran been there million times, understands the moment, hangs
back a little bit, gives godd her up his his
chance to receive that ovation. But here's why them Clark

(31:09):
just like, you know, like five feet behind them, just
walking and then like cuts in front of him on
the green just like dude, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (31:16):
You're a horn And he was long out of it,
like he didn't play well at all that day.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Get out of get out of the way. I don't know,
this guy needs it needs a rebrand. Yeah, And I'm with.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
You, especially a game that's based on tradition and respect. Right,
you would think that, like you said, he hangs back
like Rory does, give gifts Chris his moment. But you know,
it's like he's in his own world, just out there. Hey,
I'm going to walk here.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Maybe he needs a new Drew car. Maybe he needs
a new age.

Speaker 6 (31:42):
Yeah, repackage and repackage him clip that.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah. So uh yeah, I mean listen a great uh
obviously great. This is a great couple of weeks. Right.
I love all the stories, all the live from right,
all all of the stuff over there that you get
to see. But it also is interesting to see these
guys that are trending in the right direction going into
the last major. So any other big takeaways from the
from the Genesis for you Hack.

Speaker 6 (32:10):
Well, I mean you had Rose, didn't you.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
He had a huge day on Sunday to vault up
that leaderboard and finish sixth. So it's it's good to
see him. I like when he plays well. He either
misses the cut or plays really well. It's like there's
no in between with Rosie. That stood out Ludwig I
had until he made a triple bogeie on Saturday on
the thirteenth hole. He was right there to win the

(32:34):
damn thing. Yeah, and he kind of never got back
on on pace, but he had a good week. It
was good to see Hoveland had a pretty good week.
I like I like when he plays well. You know, Xander.
We've been waiting for Xander ever since, you know, he
had that injury which really set him back. Uh you know,
but he's playing well right right now to defend his

(32:55):
title this week at the Open Championship. So I'm I'm
gearing up for a good finish here for Xander schawflet
to the season and then of course of the Ryder Cup.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. All right, Danielle, I
think you need some tea, But do you want to sell.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
I'm struggling a little bit.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
I mean, I'd not to start with the Scotty press
conference that was, you know, kind of took over social
media yesterday. Just a basic quick quote from it. I'd
much rather be a great father than I would be
a great golfer.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
At the end, of the day. That's what's more important
to me.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
But there was this press conference clip I think was
anywhere from like five to seven ish minutes, but essentially
he's saying like, despite success, there's always more to do.
You can always achieve more, like, hey, you just won
two majors, Now are you gonna win the Tour Championship?

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Like this?

Speaker 4 (33:41):
That the other thing he just kind of went through.
You know, I might have been looking into it too much,
but I just like looked at his eyes. He just
kind of looked like a little bit of a different Scottie,
and you know, he talked about winning and then he said,
you know, I celebrate it for two minutes and then
it's kind of over and it's onto the next thing,
and that he loves the game of golf.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
He's thankful that he can earn.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
A living this way and has had the success that
he has, but he says it just doesn't fulfill him.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, it's weird. I kind of took it a little
bit of a different way too, Like I definitely got
that from him, but I also got a little bit
of like he loves the process, right, Like think I
think the winning and the success is awesome. But I
think it affords him the opportunities that he has in
life and with his family, and it's almost like, I
think the winning stands out more to everyone else, but

(34:32):
to him, it's the repetition and the preparation, and every
tournament is just as big. So I think there was
a little bit of like I think he was trying
to explain that balance a little bit. But it's funny,
how you know, all the different interpretations from Yeah, one
press conference definitely.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yeah, because after too, I was watching on the golf
channel too. They started talking about his faith and that
how that angle, how was all about faith and how
his faith fulfills him instead of golf. But then there
was the other angle that you are just saying. So
he did and or say during you know, that press
or a few times like.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
Does that make sense? Am I making sense? Do you
guys understand what I'm saying? So I don't. Yeah, he
was just trying, you know, he's just talking.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
But it's like stream of consciousness, literally, yeah, And usually
you don't get too much from those things, so for
him to just kind of keep going it was actually
pretty cool, right to hear.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
The nice we love when somebody is humanized and you know,
they can talk about life and you know, everything else.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
So I thought it was a pretty cool role moment.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
But like you said, a couple of interpretations there that
you know, we can take it anyway we want.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
But I don't think it's you know.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Affecting his He's not going to affect or change anything
too much.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I just hope he's not losing his drive like Rory
lost it for a couple of months.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Yeah, I mean, it's gotta be I mean, but it's
funny too, and I think on the Golf Channel, I
think it was Brandle too. But you know, I was
multitasking last night, but I looked up by SPS.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Wait was that Brandal that just said that? He was
like yeah, he said, well yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
I loved his take because he's like, well, yeah, it's
easy for Scotty to say that. But then they they
talked about how many players who had you know who
was at that compost yea rafa, and he talked about
like he didn't even know if he was going to
have money to eat dinner that night, and.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
How he just had a baby exactly.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
I loved Brandle's take on it, just giving perspective from Yeah,
here's Scotty like, okay, like I have millions and I
have all the success and I don't know if it's filling.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
And then you have Rafa where it's like this is
life changing.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
You know, you have people like this all the time,
you know, where an opportunity like this changes completely. So
again perspective, But I did really enjoy Brandal's take.

Speaker 6 (36:42):
On Yeah me too.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I mean, yeah, to think about it, like Scheffler's has
a great gift and he knew it. His parents knew
it when he was very very young, and they got
him coaching ever since.

Speaker 6 (36:53):
He was a wee lad.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
You know, he's had a very you know, good upbringing,
you know what I mean, He's very fortunate, and I
know he knows that, but it was it was like
kind of, you know, think about some of these other
guys that are just scratching, you know, scratching out a living.
And that's why I really liked what Shambly had to say.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, and Daniel, I don't know if you're going to
talk about that. Xander's quotes in the press conference too,
But they asked him about the gold medal and he
said he doesn't even know where it is and he doesn't.
He doesn't, he doesn't look at his trophies. He said
he actually got mad. His wife hung a picture of
him winning one of the majors in the gym and

(37:33):
he's like, it's it's too high. I have to get
a ladder. He goes, if you want to like put
put like me in a green jacket up there, like
his motivation to win, but like already winning stuff. I'm
not what am I going to just stare at these trophies?
So just so interesting to hear, like some of these
guys' perspectives and how they motivate themselves obviously too right.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah, and then you look on that you get a
tour of brooks Kepta's house and it's just.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
Like, look at all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
Or we go to Harry's house and we see, you know,
him and his wife like third flight champions.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Ye oh goodness.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
But yeah, so let's get into a little bit more tea.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Jordan Speith Welcome to the new edition, baby solely, but
he's still in the field.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
This week, we see that Joel Damon and Gino got
a divorce.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
They separated the Dynamic duo, so no replacement announced as
of yet. But I was a little shocked, and you
know Internet doing their things saying like wait gino just
you know, yeah, so.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
A little shocking. I don't know. I saw it as
a surprise.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
M yeah, I need too.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
American Century Championship Jimmy rawlins Jay Rowl gets his first
hole in one on number twelve and wins a boat
from Mastercraft. I get a Philly's notification and I'm like, wait,
what what is going on? So I thought that was
pretty cool to see that happen in the little Philly
Flavor Duncan one and then grabbing.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
A boat to go with it.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Ye, and that, I mean, Tahoe is like one of
my favorite places.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
That I need to get there.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
Oh my god, that course or just the general area
is just beautiful and amazing.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
But Moose best hockey golfer alive Joe Putt might butcher this,
but Helski Joe and he drained an eagle, but and
celebrated as if he just won the Masters, running around
we'll hugging his.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Wife like him and his caddy, jumping up and down.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Did you oh yeah he could play? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (39:25):
Literally, I was like, this might be the best hockey go.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
For a lot I think he is.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, I think he was on Team USA back when.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yeah, and then just a couple little more tidbits to
roll us into the open. Rory once shot a course
record of sixty one at Royal Port Rush as a
sixteen year old.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
That's been trending all over.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
I won't get too much into the details, but there's
a whole storyline of that week of when he was
sixteen years old and shot that sixty one and got
the nighted Ryder Cup and this and that and all
over the place. So if you get a moment, take
a look at that and read that. It's pretty cool.
But it might be a sign to uh for Rory
to get a Grand Slam this week.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Joe Pavelski, Wisconsin boy Dodger who's a badger?

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, yeah, that was Rory did that? What back in
two thousand and five? And so they've redone the course
since then. It's a little different than than when he
played it back then, so they've added some holes and
teas and so forth. But hey, man, I'm riding McElroy
this week and I'm not I'm not ashamed to say it.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
So I was gonna say, I was gonna say what
would you want to hope him happen most at the Open,
Rory wins for his own crowd, Xander back to back,
Scotty Grand Slam or Victor's first major.

Speaker 6 (40:35):
I couldn't care less about Victor Hoblm this week. It's
all about Uncelroy.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
What about you mos Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Same, yep, you know what Scotty gets the Grand Slam.
You want Rory to win for the home crowd.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Uh Now, I would actually lean more towards Scotty for this.
I don't want to miss I know Harry's got a
lot on the lines. I don't want to jink. So yeah, yeah,
definitely I'd rather see Scotty.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Jason Jason Days fits for the Open. Normally, I'm more
of a traditionalist, and you know, I like, you know,
proper pants and the tucked and shirt. I don't love
like the hoodies or you know, the joggers. That's more
Moose's vibe. But gotta say Jason Day's fits for the
outfit so far, like I like it. He had the
King of Up sweater, kind of plaid oversized pants with

(41:20):
a visor.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
Like he looks cool.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
He's he's leaning into the malboond vibe and then the
all plaid rain suit, and maybe the caption got me
because he goes goes to Ireland once and then you
know it's something I could I can relate to. I
thought it was pretty cool, so I'm a fan. I
thought it was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
And they got to pack a lot of stuff this week.
We have four seasons in one day out there.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all over the place.

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Speaker 2 (42:15):
So Jimmy Rollins is not the only person who got
a hold in one this weekend.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Harry Mays the only one who got a boat.

Speaker 6 (42:24):
My wife didn't get a boat.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Christ The Mays at the hold in One at the
nineteen twelve Club. Harry May's walk us.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Through it well, I wasn't. I didn't see it, but
I mean I was in the clubhouse already, I had
played about it. I finished maybe an hour and a
half prior, and she sends me a text with the
picture of her holding a golf ball, you know, right
next to the flag and I'm like, you know, with
the one you know, finger up and I'm like, hace

(42:52):
question mark. Like I was like what, and she's you know.
Then by then some people who had just finished on
eighteen sixteen is very close to the clubhouse, and the
people coming off eighteen I guess you know, heard about it,
and they started coming and verified it, and everybody's cranked
up about drinking. They're calling people, hey, come over to
the club. We got a hole in one to come
on and come and drink. And by the way, I

(43:14):
got to say, Brian Quinn picked up the tab afterwards,
so good on him. It was a very nice gesture.
And apparently he does this and anytime anybody gets a
hole in one over there. So so we didn't. We
have beautiful, very nice work out of PQ.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
But anyway, it could have.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
It could have, yeah, because these guys are like ordering
you know, bourbon and I'm like, anything in a can
you know.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
We actually we do insurance at our club.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
I know we don't have that apparently, but yes, and
I know that exists insurance. Q is the insurance himself.

Speaker 6 (43:50):
He's self insurance.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
But then you know, people started verifying it.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
I'm like, oh my god, it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
So she finally comes in, everybody goes nuts. I sent
you the video, and you know, everybody wants to know
what club did you hit? You know, first of all,
it's one hundred and twenty five yards, I believe from
their tea that day up the hill. You know, the
whole moose, the pin was in the front and and
she hit like a choked down hybrid into the wind. Yeah,

(44:18):
she's not hitting irons right now very well. So she
was using hybrids instead and just choking down farther and
she just trying to just trying to get around and
hit one that bounced, you know, prior to the green.
And it came up on the green and rolled in,
and the guys on the seventeenth tee saw it and
started going nuts. And she didn't really go nuts. She

(44:39):
was sort of like, what she didn't see it go in?
So you know there's that. But the funny thing too,
is to add context to it. In my round, I
birdied the hole earlier that day, So between the two
of us we went three hundred on the sixteenth all
that day, which is pretty crazy. But yeah, congratulations to Christa.

(44:59):
It's uh, you know, it's a cool thing. I didn't
see mine go in when I did it. I don't
have the ball any of that, but I know it
did happen, and it's a it's a it's a great feeling.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
That is so cute walking into She's all bashful.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Like, yeah, she hates attentions like that.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
Oh, it was so cute.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, so that is that is true.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
Harry, do have you do you have a home one?

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, North Hills the third hole, but I didn't see
it go in either.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Move to you, No, nope, nope, nope.

Speaker 5 (45:30):
I have a home one on like a mini golf course.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah. I'm trying to look up the hole right now,
That's what that's what I'm doing. I'm trying to see.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Ours played from one seventy up the hill and then
the twenty five.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, right back at the at the parking lot in
the clubhouse. That's right, that's right, yep, oh yes, yes,
I'm sure sure people probably saw that going on. But
that's awesome, that's awesome. And you guys, so you guys
played together an event that was the day before.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
That was the day but that was Saturday, and that
was the Mixed Championship and we actually had the lead
for a little while at like three under par. We
ended up finishing one under par and finished seventh.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
Did you know you had a lead? Like, were you
watching the like the app er?

Speaker 3 (46:12):
No?

Speaker 6 (46:13):
I got a text because people were betting on us.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Okay, they did a draft, and I mean they'll bet
on anything over at nineteen twelve club, but they took
a draft and I was telling people, don't pick us.
You know, we're not gonna you know, we're not going
to finish very high. We had and apparently we had
the lead for a couple of holes at three under
and this guy that wanted to bet us was texting me,
you better cool it the hell off because I was
gonna take you. They didn't. He didn't even want me to.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
Wine that happens. You can't, you can't get jinked.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
What was the dynamic like out there?

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Ha?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Well, she didn't play well she'll tell you that she's
not hitting irons very well right now. But I was
relying on her butt well because she well it was
it was Chapman format. So we'd each hit a drive
and then we'd go hit each other ball for the
second shot, and then based on where that lands, you
pick one ball, you know, saying this is the best one,

(47:07):
and then it's alternate shot from there on in to
finish the hole. Yeah, it's kind of confusing, but once
she's confusing.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
But pretty cool and advantage from very different.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
And then yes, especially when you're playing with a mixed thing,
it's it really brings a lot of different like options into.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Play, primarily like her drive, like you take your second
shot because her drive is probably closer.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
On into and then you're on the ones where she
got the big te advantage. Yes, and I was. I
played really well there. I mean I was firing things
into the greens and then you know when regulation and
I'm like, all right, just just lag it up there
because we're getting a shot here. So if par net
one is a birdie, you know gives it, you know,
and she just wasn't you know, adjusting to the speed

(47:52):
of the greens or something, but but we played well.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
We hung in there.

Speaker 6 (47:59):
Yeah. Wow, what a weekend. Yeah, what a weekend.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Harry's full blown got the golf played Pittsburgh on Sunday,
the game Pittsburgh, And I wasn't even aware of it
that we were playing it. I guarantee it because they
know I would have resisted because it's a game where
you can either win or lose a lot of money,
like the score change on one of the swings can yes,
huge swings like and we would have won a bunch

(48:26):
of money. Me and Stu. Stu Levic only plays Pittsburgh,
so I ended up being his teammate and we ended
up playing it and we were up big until the
eighteenth hole when Bobby Taylor, who we were playing against,
hit one to about a foot on the eighteenth hole
his second shot at kicking birdie and totally changed the

(48:47):
money where we only ended up winning twenty bucks.

Speaker 6 (48:51):
Wins a win.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Yeah, and you got away with the you know, free
bar tap. So that was what a weekend for the maze.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
What a good weekend.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I got to see an incredible golf course in property
Hamilton Farm. Oh yeah, I was powers and I went
up for the Children's Specialized Hospital golf outing up there.
I mean, what a property, right, two courses. We actually
played on the par three course, the Hickory Course. I'm thinking, oh,
par three course, right, Like, what's it like the hey like, no,

(49:20):
it's it's a eighteen holes of par three holes. It's
not a part you know what I mean? Like, it's
not like short little. I mean, most of the shots
I were hitting were two twenty two hundred, one ninety.
I don't think I hit anything shorter than like one
point fifty, but most of them were all right around
two hundred. But incredible property, clubhouse grounds. Yeah, I definitely

(49:45):
have to get back out there and play, you know,
the other course too. But incredible event for the Children's
Specialized Hospital and just a really cool place to see
in person.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
So yeah, one of the guys in my club is
a member there, and that's really that's right up next
to Trump National.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah, Bedminster, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, tremendous. So and
then uh yeah, I'm gonna get out to the Legacy
Club hopefully this weekend, and then Pebble Beach in a
couple of weeks. So I gotta get the irons figured out, man.
I you know, the new irons are in. I just
need to play with the more to get used to
it because I just can't get them dialed right now.
I'm leaving I'm leaving them out. I'm actually uh might

(50:22):
go see our friend Trevor Pencil late this week early
next week, see if you can see if you can
help me out, because the rest of the game, the
short game is is pretty dial right now. The drivers
is working. It's just I'm a second shot in the
setting where the seven wood it's inconsistent. You know, you know,
you don't hit it enough to really get a dialed,

(50:42):
but I gotta. I gotta do some range it a lot.

Speaker 6 (50:47):
See hundred plus shots at my club for me. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Yeah, When you were saying Christa doesn't she she's on
her woods and doesn't like her irons, like I cannot
stand hitting my fairway woods. I'd rather have an iron
all day long. I took one of bees driving irons.
I have no business having it in my bag, especially
with that shaft. But I'm telling you, like once out
of every five times that I hit it, I stripe
that thing and it goes. So I'd rather have that

(51:12):
driving iron then I would you know these woods because
I don't know. It's in my head obviously, because I
can hit driver fine, but or I can hit you
know what off the tay.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
But if it's sitting there on the ground looking.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
At it, I mean, if I'm forced to do it, maybe,
but it's it's in my head, I'd rather I'd rather
pull my five iron every day and hit that lay up.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
No doubt.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I don't even have a five iron.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
No, I don't either six five hive or six sticks
to the lowest I have. But all right, guys, don't
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sign ups, I think we I think we got Russ
rattled last week because he's already he's already signed up. Yeah,
oh yeah, So I'm just saying it. I say it

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every week. I know it still seems like it's a
ways away, but you better sign up because it's getting
very limited already. So you know, I know we get
a lot of Legacy club guys in there too. I
got to talk to them a person, because you know,
I just don't I don't want to be anybody getting
shut out that really wants to play in it, but
you gotta make sure you get invoked.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
Get my foursome. We can, we can, we be US
three and somebody else.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah we should. Yeah, I'm down. I'm down.

Speaker 6 (52:24):
Let's do it all right?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Do you Open Championship. It's here the last major of
the year, Royal Port Rush, last played in twenty nineteen
and won by Shane Lowry. Let's talk about the course
of course, Harry.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
What a place. Yeah, Royal Port Rush, the Dunloselynx named
after the Dunlose Castle that is nearby to Harry Colt
Design and Martin Ebert actually led a redesigned renovation project.
I think I'm twenty fifteen leading up getting them prepared
for the Open in twenty nineteen that you mentioned Shane

(52:58):
Lowry want I still think they're celebrating that. By the way,
par seventy one, seven and eighty one yards. There's only
three par fives two seven on the front and twelve
on the back. So from thirteen on in no par five,
opportunities for these guys to score on uh four par threes, three, six,
thirteen and sixteen and I'll just start at sixteen. I

(53:21):
love the when they have courses over there, they have
names for all the holes, like it's really cool, Like
they're renaming the ninth hole.

Speaker 6 (53:29):
For Darren Clark.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
Did you see what I posted on factis thing?

Speaker 6 (53:33):
Yeah, it was very It's very cool.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
But the sixteenth hole is called Calamity Corner and it's
a par three two hundred and thirty six yards coming
back off the beach towards the town. So depending on
the wind, the wind will change all week. A lot
of cross winds they'll get, but you could hit this
thing dead into the wind. Two thirty six is gonna
play really long, but it's a bunkerless par three that

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sits atop the dunes, and you better not miss to
the right. There is a bailout area on the short
short of the green and on the left side, but
don't miss right. Seventeenth hole is called Purgatory. It's a
par four four hundred and nine yards straight away downhill
landing area that eventually runs into two pot bunkers that

(54:18):
guard the front and left front left and right of
the green. It's a blind t shot. Only one fairway
bunker that's on the left side. The eighteenth hole is
called Babbington's par four four hundred and seventy four yards
with out of bounds left. There's in course in interior
out of bounds at this golf course. The first hole
and the eighteenth hole have an out of bounds in

(54:40):
between them. Rory McElroy when he teed off on the
first round in twenty nineteen, hooked his drive into the
ob on the first hole and put up a seven
and ended up missing the cut. I know because I
had him. So it's a dog leg right fairway, bunkers
and dunes to the right side. There's two c bunkers

(55:00):
and dunes that detract your view, your changes your your
your eye of the green.

Speaker 6 (55:06):
And there's dunes all around.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
It's sort of an amphitheater of dunes around the eighteenth green.
A really cool finish. One of the prettiest links golf courses.
They say that that is in the world. Is this
this golf course. So I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
And Harry, did you see the drop zone as facts?

Speaker 4 (55:24):
I said, I need you to get somebody to film
you go on video into that area. So if you're
trying to get relief and just you know, slam it
into the Grand Slands. I don't think so. Yeah, throw
it over there on the bushes. You got to take
a look at this. It's literally this is this is
their drop zone.

Speaker 6 (55:39):
Oh wow, yeah, look at that looks like a gorse bush.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Yeah, you're looking for relief, go over there, bud, so right,
you might want to try to aim for the.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Well, that's one of the big differences between what the
way they do it over there and the way we
do it. You know, these guys will hit it into
the Grandston intentionally knowing you're going to get a great
relief spot. They have drop zones all over the place
on all their courses in market.

Speaker 6 (56:03):
Yeah, I do too.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
It saves time because you don't need a ruling, you
know where to get you know what you were going
to go to right there.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
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Speaker 2 (57:37):
All right, So some interesting stats here from our friend
Jeff Ulrich from at the Fantasy Grind. Eight of the
last thirteen winners were thirty two years or older. Sixteen
of the last nineteen had a top ten in an
Open championship, and five of the last seven finished T.
Eleven or better at one of the other majors in

(57:57):
the same calendar year. So this is a this is
the cream of the crop type. But I'm going a
couple other directions here. I'm my card looks a little
bit different. I like John Rahm here to get this

(58:18):
win at eleven hundred. He is a T eight at
the PGA, at T seven at the US Open. Give
me Sepstraka at five thousand. Talking about Justin Rose, give
me him as a first round leader, like you said, Harry,
either he jumps out or not, and give me put
my pen down. Give me that Patrick Reid at seven thousand,
Captain America is back right onto the Ryder Cup team.

Speaker 6 (58:42):
I'll give me Patrick for the win if he wins it.
He's on that team.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I love, Please, Please, That would be pretty cool. Yeah.
A lot of people like Rom's a good play this week.
There's no doubt. I like Hatton from the Live Tour
this week in a top ten. I do like at
plus two fifty. It plays well in majors, And I
just think, you know, if I'm gonna pick one live
guy that's gonna be my guy. I'm also taking him

(59:08):
in a matchup over McIntyre, who actually played not so
well last week defending his Scottish Open title. Give me
Lowry in a top twenty. I just think this place,
you know, it is just you talk about good vibes.
I mean it's they got a mural painted of this
guy near.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
A golf court.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I mean this is like his home away from home. Yeah,
plus one thirty in a top twenty.

Speaker 6 (59:31):
I talked about Rory.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
I'm also taking Rory minus one. I'm gonna lay in
one seventy for Rory to kick the crap out of
bryceon Deshambo this week in a matchup. I don't think
this place suits Deshambo, nor does this type of golf.
Fitzpatrick top twenty plus one fifty taking him over can't
lay in a matchup. I'm taking Hoveland over JT in

(59:53):
a matchup. And I already made a fantasy team McElroy, Lowry,
hatton Fox Oustays and Marco Peinge.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Wow, strong squad. You're going straight, uh straight Europe. How
about you could Nikolai hoogieguard. It was T four last
week you can get him a top ten at plus
eight hundred. Really, that's a decent one. That's a really
good top ten for Nikolai Hoygard and the old bet
Park's board.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
So you think a European or American is gonna win?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
I know it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Harry thinks he's got Rory. I think because it's weird
this course, as links of course as it is, it
almost plays less linksy when you look at some of
the guys that have had success. Yeah, some of the
some of the bigger hitters. Yeah, this is this is
gonna be a fun one to watch, right, this is
one you know tomorrow morning we're recording on a Wednesday.

(01:00:41):
Wake up on Thursday morning, first thing, or make it
into the office, thrown on a screen. Love watching this,
I love hearing the commentators.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Yeah, the fifth hole is great that it's a driveable,
drivable for these guys, kind of a dog leg right,
if you remember when they were here before, Kopka hit
it over all the dunes and ran it right up
onto the green. But if you go over the green,
it's ob they're all ob stakes right off the green,
and it's the beach, like the literal beach.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
Really cool hole. Yeah five, you said number five. Yeah.
Part four.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
But before we conclude, we got to give props to
another LULU member. Kevin Lydon qualified for the one hundred
and twenty fifth US Amateur out of Lulu Country Club.
Qualified up at a site up in New York last week,
shooting a two under par score and it was good
enough to get him in. So somebody to root for locally.

(01:01:38):
I believe he's out of Doylestown. I think that's where
his home is, but he'll boss the US Amateur.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Very cool, beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
And also the APGA, the Advocates Professional Golf Association, is
having an event called the Jefferson Classic and it's going
to be at the nineteen twelve Club in this August, third, fourth,
and fifth, so I'm gonna definitely get over there at
least for two of those days to watch some of
the action. So pretty beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
We'll be back next week to recap the Open Championship.
Thanks again to Drew Carr for joining us, and thanks
for listening. Thanks for watching. See you next week.

Speaker 7 (01:02:17):
Gi it to listen, swing it and ding it