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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy hump Day. Wednesday is here. It is Kentucky and
His Morning News on news Radio eight forty WHAS Coffee
and Company Nick Coffee. That's me. It is six oh
five here on a Wednesday. Appreciate you hanging out with us.
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So there was a lot of I mean, really, for years,

(00:21):
there's been a lot of talk about the Crystal Rogers case,
and obviously last two weeks ago, believe it was. That
was when her former boyfriend Brooks Howk was found guilty
of murder and he's awaiting sentencing. And in fact, he
came up yesterday because of him trying to offload some assets.
I guess in hopes that he doesn't have to end
up giving a lot of what he left behind as

(00:43):
he goes to prison, probably for the rest of his life.
He doesn't want to have to give it to Krystal
Rodgers' family. But anyways, the reason I'll bring that up
is because that was easily one of the most nationally
known cases from from this area, from this region in Kentucky,
Anda and it didn't just gather a lot of interest
around here. It was a national thing. Every network that

(01:07):
has a true crime channel or a true crime section
if you will, they covered it in some way. I mean,
that's just how big that story was for over a decade,
and I was thinking about, when's the last time we
had something like that around here where it was just
a big enough story that generated not just local interest,

(01:29):
but national interest. And one of those is the Davidkam situation.
So Terry Miners yesterday had Davidkam on his show for
a exclusive Q and A and really just an overall
great interview. If you guys haven't checked it out, another
podcast is posted at WHS dot com. But I had
forgot about this because it was a long time ago,

(01:49):
and it of course was when I was a child.
But Davidkam is a former Indiana state trooper. He spent
thirteen years in prison for the murders of his wife
and two children. Now he eventually was acquitted in twenty
thirteen after a third trial, and that case really became
one of the most controversial wrong convictions in really American

(02:12):
legal history. That sounds like I'm exaggerating, but it's really not.
I mean, I remember as a kid back in you know,
two thousand is when that murder happened, and I remember
just the overall coverage of it and how long it
lingered as far as the different trials that went on.

(02:32):
And I'm not looking for that type of content and
coverage when I'm a twelve year old kid, But it
was such a big story. You couldn't ignore it because
it was on the news like every night. I mean,
the internet really wasn't at all than what it is now,
but it was such a big story at that time.
Kids like myself at that age, I mean, it was
hard not to know at least a little bit about it.

(02:54):
But if you haven't checked out the interview that Terry
did yesterday, I would recommend you checking out, because after
hearing it yesterday, I did what I oftentimes do is
just fall down a hole of true crime and just look.
I mean, I can tell I can tell you that
when it comes to true crime being the most popular
genre in content, I'm a factor in that. I'm very

(03:18):
little because I'm just one person, but it interests me
in a big way, and I'd forgot all about this
whole case, And of course I never really even looked
into it with the resources we have now called the
World Wide Web. And what really got me interested last
night to the extent that I was up later than
I probably should have been, is just that there was

(03:39):
never really any clear motive as to why law enforcement
thought that he murdered his wife and his children. And
I mean their motives did shift, but even the ones
that they brought up, there was no real merit to them.
It was just it's almost as if they just wanted
to have of it play out to where David cam

(04:02):
was convicted of something heinous. So again he was wrongfully
convicted twice. And then now he's been free for some
years and he did get a final settlement, and that,
of course, I'm sure is a little bit of help
to him as he has you know, had to start

(04:23):
his new life. But the real murderer has been in
prison for quite some times. Charles Bonnet. But yeah, I
did a deep dive just just reading about it, because
again I'd never had really looked at it in a
way that you can now with the World Wide Web.
So if you guys haven't checked out the interview, it's
over at WHS dot com. Really good stuff from Terry Miners.

(04:46):
We'll play some clips throughout the morning here because it's
interesting to hear him discuss the just the overall I
mean life after after you know, I mean his life
was ruined. And of course not only that, did he
spent time in prison and was wrongfully convicted twice. I
mean his children and his wife were murdered and he

(05:09):
was accused of doing it. I mean, I'm listening to
him yesterday talking with Terry and I'm just thinking, like
I can't quite comprehend how someone could go through something
like that. All right, your next update on trafficking Weather's
coming up right here right now on news Radio eight
forty WHS. So I'm reading more about this David cam

(05:30):
story as he was on yesterday with Terry Miners, and
the more I read, the more it is just insane
as far as just how he was convicted twice. I mean,
he had eleven alibi witnesses and still was convicted based
off of really what was manufactured evidence. And I know

(05:53):
this was a big story nationally. I started the six
o'clock hour referencing that when it comes to cases that
just really get national attention from not just news outlets,
but just citizens people who just you know, are fascinated
by stories the Crystal Rogers when it is certainly up there.
But I would say this one is in that same mix.

(06:13):
But imagine what it would have been had we had
the true crime documentaries that we have and just really
the you know, the true crime content world that's out there,
because this one is just it's it is. It is crazy.
I mean if you look at just what was I mean,
yet you had a blood spatter expert that admitted to

(06:37):
perjury in some of the earlier trials, and prosecutors of
course accused of misconduct witness tampering, and then of course
they changed their theories across three different trials, which that
alone is a sign that you, I mean, like you're
reaching here, like you clearly have just made up your
mind and you either are ignoring the fact that you

(06:59):
were wrong or you just have an inability to realize
that you're wrong because of maybe some biased or just
tunnel vision whatever it may be. I mean, it is
it is wild to see that he was convicted twice
with what appeared to be really nothing that truly linked

(07:20):
him to this at all, And as far as motives
that were out there, I mean you had infidelity was
one that was thrown out there initially by prosecutors. Another
was a life insurance situation. I mean, just an awful
situation overall, and you could tell in the conversation, which
again I recommend that you guys check it out if

(07:41):
you didn't. He was on yesterday, David cam was with
with Terry Miners. Whs dot com is where you can
find it. But you know, I can't imagine and not
many probably can imagine what he has he's actually gone through.
And by the way, I mean, prosecutors when it comes
to knowingly using false evidence, how are they not criminally

(08:04):
held responsible, I mean, knowingly using evidence that you that
is not real to try to I mean that's I mean,
that's that's vile. So yeah, he later ended up joining
the UH. I think it's the Innocence Project, which of
course is something that he was innocent and thirteen years

(08:26):
of his life he lost. And not only that, I mean,
I'm sure he'd still be in prison if if he
had the option of doing that, and it brought back
his young children and his wife. Just just just awful.
And by the way, the nonprofit that he joined was
investigating innocence and it helps others that were that were
wrongfully convicted. So yeah, just just an awful situation. Here

(08:49):
here is here's a quick clip from the interview yesterday
with Terry uh from U from from David cam.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
It's a new reality. But to be perfectly honest, I
have to say, considering everything that I've been through the
last five years, I'm blessed. And people find that hard
to believe. But to be in the situation in which

(09:18):
I currently find myself, I truly am and I'm blessed.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Also, real quick here just him having the faith and
belief that there would in fact be, as he says,
a day of reckoning.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I truly always believe that there would be a day
a reckoning, if you will, and that the truth would
be exposed and that I would not have to spend
the rest of my life in present. I always believe that.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
So I was just chatting with John Shannon about this
during our last break and when it comes to look,
sometimes you just get things wrong, like I don't believe
that there is when you've had situation like this, maybe
not to this extent as far as just how clearly
they just didn't want to believe anything other than the
fact that this guy did it. But sometimes you just

(10:08):
make mistakes, you get it wrong. But there's something just
for lack of a better word, awful about law enforcement
prosecutors who will have the proof that they got it
wrong and it will be proven that they were wrong,
and they don't have the ability to acknowledge it or

(10:30):
I mean instead of I mean. And sometimes you do
have situations where because of like a mistake when it
comes to the investigation, that'll lead to somebody getting off
with the crime whenever everybody knows the evidence that's there
is really the proof that's needed. But then there's other
times where the proof is there that they got it wrong,

(10:51):
and yet they still want to live in a world
like again, everybody makes mistakes, including law enforcement, and I'm
sure there's many examples of them acknowledging it. But then
there's some just I can't quite comprehend how there's just
this inability to say that, yeah, you were wrong, and
not only did you get it wrong, you probably ruined
somebody's life along the way. All right, let's get an
update on Travack and Weather. We'll also get to another

(11:13):
sports update with Scott Fitzgerald right here on news Radio
eight forty whas. Thank you very much, John. It is
Kentucky and his morning news here on news Radio eight
forty whas Coffee and Company, Nick Coffee. That's me John
All on the alongside. We've got the full crew here.
You'll get another update of Travck and weather coming up
in just a few minutes, and a big story last

(11:33):
week that I feel like it's kind of died down
a little bit. However, it was this news was met with,
I guess more complaining than I would have expected, and
that is the Kentucky Oaks Race moving to a primetime slot,
which means it's not going to take place in the
late afternoon moving forward, it's going to take place in

(11:54):
the evening. And don't I don't deny at all that
this in fact is going to certainly change a lot
for folks, meaning if if you're a business restaurant specifically,

(12:15):
this is going to make things a little bit different
for you as far as customer flow and customer volume
on Oaks Day. But at the same time, I feel
like a lot of people are kind of missing the
big picture here because when it comes to Churchill Downs
and by the way. I just still don't know for
sure if in fact it's their decision specifically, or if

(12:37):
it's NBC's decision. But regardless, let's just live in a
world where Churchill downs said, yes, we want to move
this to a primetime Friday night race. They're not expected
or required certainly to make decisions based on how it
affects other businesses in this city. And some of the

(12:59):
complain it's almost as if these business owners are not
aware of that. They seem to think that Churchill needs
to consult with them before making a decision about their
own event. And I don't know how. I can't. I
can't comprehend why that is the mindset of some. And look,
others have just been on record discussing it is that

(13:20):
it's going to change things, and maybe that they don't
prefer that it moved Tonight's. They prefer that it stay
where it's always been. But there have been some that
act as if they're victims here, and I just I
don't I don't understand, and I'm not trying to sound dismissive,
but some I think some of the backlash to me

(13:41):
feels like entitlement. And here's the reality of it. For years,
local businesses have reaped the benefits of what Churchill Downs
brings to this city during Derby Week, and now that
things are changing, instead of adapting, some are just upset
that it's not the same that it's always been. So
instead of complaining, I mean I just would have assumed

(14:04):
that there would have been a quick There would have
been you know, instant action to adapt and figure out
how can we still substantially benefit as a business off
of having an event like the Kentucky Derby in our city.
And obviously Friday is Oaks Day, but still, let's just
mean the week of the Kentucky Derby here in Louisville

(14:26):
is a special thing brings in so many from across
the world. So instead of thinking, oh poor me, this
is gonna make my restaurant less busy there, you know,
I think I would I expected folks to just realize,
whatever they put that thing at three o'clock at night,
we're going to find a way to adjust and continue
to be able to benefit off of the fact that

(14:47):
we have a restaurant in a city that has an
event like the Kentucky Derby. I mean, another thing that's
just to me really rather obvious in recent years, t
Downs doesn't need Louisville to be at its best during
Derby Week. I know that sounds bad, but it's just
it's just the truth. I mean, it's become clear with

(15:08):
the many changes in recent years at Churchill Downs, meaning
just the improvements, their renovations. It's it's nothing like it
used to look. It's not it's not set up to
really draw a big crowd of locals. I don't think
they're doing anything to like say the hell with Louisville
natives and Kentucky Ino natives. We don't want you here.
But they're clearly making decisions and changes that don't reflect

(15:33):
anything about where they are, and including this change this
move here to put the oaks race at night. So
I mean their decisions are being made with the goal
of helping the local economy and they and they're not
expected to. I mean, these decisions are made with I
think the the well understanding that this event has become

(15:54):
one of the biggest events really in the world every year.
I don't want to maybe I'm a little biased here
because it's in Louisville, but at times failed to realize
just because it's always been here, working in this industry
and covering Derby for this station has let me know
just what Derby is as far as how big of
an event it actually is in the amount of people
that come here from across the world. So Churchill Down's
is going to do it's best for them, and that's

(16:17):
what they should do. I think more than anything, it's
a wake up call that they don't really need us
as far you know, when I say they don't need Louisville,
what I'm more so mean is that like anything that
they do that does help you, you should just appreciate
and even if they're not doing it because they're thinking, Okay,
let's make this decision so it can better benefit a

(16:38):
local business. I mean, I just I'm surprised a little
bit when it comes to just the entitlement. And also,
by the way, I don't believe for a second that
these restaurants that it's tough to get a table at
on any night on the weekend, certainly that they're going
to be empty on Oaks night because the race is
going on. Like, let's get real here, all right, your

(16:59):
next up of traving a weather coming your way right
here on News Radio eight forty whs how is it
already the thirtieth of July. June July has come and gone,
and summer break has come and gone for those that
are heading back to school today in southern Indiana. So
I think it is New Albany, Floyd County they are

(17:22):
they're back to school today. And when I went back
to school after summer break when I was a kid,
I always remember the first day like once you get
to the day before the first day, I mean, you know,
summer's over. It's hits you, right, I mean it's you know,
there's no more holding on to any moments that are left.
It's it's over. And at that point some excitement kicked in,

(17:43):
usually just because you'd get to see your friends that
you haven't seen in a while. You got your fresh
outfit probably laid out ready to get the day started,
you got your new school supplies, and there's there's some excitement.
I remember not sleeping well the night before the first
day of school, but it wasn't because of just you know,
being worried or scared. I was just I feel like excited.

(18:05):
But the excitement usually didn't last long. I think probably
about like halfway through the day, maybe sometimes the next
day it would be the ultimate Oh my gosh, it's here.
I have to wait many, many, many months before I
get another summer break. So if you're heading back to
school today, parents, I don't know if we have any
children listening, but if we do, happy back to school day.

(18:27):
And if you're a parent, I now get it. I
now know why. And I'm sure everybody's situation is different,
but life seems to be more I don't know calm
for people when their kids are in school because there's
a consistency that's there. You know where your kid is
every day. Now. I'm sure if you have your kid
in daycare or you've got them involved in stuff during

(18:48):
the summer, you still know that you know, you know
where they are. I'm assuming everybody knows where their kid is.
But yeah, back to school. For some of those in
southern Indiana. One thing that didn't exist it is now
a big, big thing on the on the first day
of school. It's those pictures that you take outside of
your house or maybe outside of school. We've taken it
one every year for our daughter and my son will

(19:10):
be starting kindergarten a couple of weeks. But that wasn't
a thing whenever I was whenever I was young, because
we didn't have these smartphones that you just, you know,
pull out of your pocket and capture moments, which I
haven't ever really thought about that, John, you and I
are somewhat in the same age range where your young
childhood didn't feature smartphones to that extent. But you know,
I have thousands upon thousands of pictures of my kids,

(19:34):
and some of them I'll probably never use again, but
I know I can. I got, I got hours of
research I can do to go pull out all kinds
of pictures of my kids, which I'm glad that I have,
But that wasn't a thing when we were growing up. Anyways,
you'll you'll know it. You'll know it one day. I'm
sure you already do. You're taking pictures of baby Daisy,
and sure every hour. Sure that I ever thought I
would have anything, Yep. And I'm sure parents you know

(19:57):
that are that are old enough to be our parents,
they don't know what they didn't have, right, but I'm
sure they know. I'm sure they wish they could go
back in time and reference a picture whenever little John
Alden turned three or he took his first step something
like that. So that's one of the many ways I
appreciate where we are from a technological standpoint. All right,

(20:17):
let's get to another update on traffic and whether Bobby
Ellis will get us caught up on how the roads
are looking this morning. And also we'll get another sports
update with Scott coming your way here in just a
few minutes on news radio. Wait forty whas
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