Radio Legends Van Vance and Paul Rogers Bid Farewell to Tony Cruise

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
So let's go. Let's see who else have I been
working with all these decades or one one time at
least I had a privilege. His name is double V's
Van Lin Vans Van Tony.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Listen, how you doing? Is that mike open?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah? The mic sound?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
We got picture, we got anything here balancing.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
You hear my raspby, you know, mouse voice. And here's
Charlton Heston right across from here, the fann Double V's.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
That was unbelievable. Uh, you know, I'd seen Charlton Heston everything,
and I come in one morning one afternoon to do
the sports and this gigantic man is sitting there plugging
a book. He's going to Holly Cook and uh, I
was ready to go on the are with Harry talk sports.
And this big arm and this big hand comes across.

(00:51):
Because I was kind of busy, and I've met a
lot of famous people interviewing him, have been around the
world twice, spoken to everybody once. But anyhow, what happened
is this big hand and this big arm comes over
and he says, then, how are you doing? And then
crushes my hand in this big paul. I thought I'd

(01:12):
met some charismatic people, but Charleton Heston. He was a man,
he has a presence.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I was in the room with you at that time. Yeah,
and you know we're in a soundproof room right there
by the met studio. Yeah, and yet he reverberated. You know,
you know what I'm talking about. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I told him that's the first time I ever met
a chariot drive anyhow. But Tony, I really I've heard
of all of the great stuff kind of doing for
you today on your final day. And I'm a little
bit jealous because I worked here forty two years and

(01:51):
I thought they really did nice for me. It was
clear channel back then. When I retired, they gave me
a coupon and had Terry Miners take me over to
Dizzy Whiz and get me a Whizburger on my retirement.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Hey, right, I think I remember somebody giving you a big,
a nice little fly fishing outfit if I remember, right though,
with the University of Louisville too.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, this is a great city, a great community,
Kentuckyana here and I tell you what, how many years,
how many years I remember you coming with us. You
and I have worked together so many times. You help
me get broadcasts on the air from Tokyo, Alaska, Hawaii
four times. And that is something on Christmas Day to

(02:34):
get a broadcast out of Hawaii.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I tell you that, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
We worked with us on the sports show. You did shows,
and you used to help run the basketball games of
Jock and I.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, And one time he said, during the time outs,
you and Jock are more interesting in your conversation than
almost the ball game. You told me one time. But
I have a present for you. Oh and when you
go home today, that what you do when you walk
in your wife makes you say, hello, honey, I'm home forever.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Oh there you go, very nice.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'm getting he's gonna be so happy. I mean, you
never go home again. Here's a special present I brought
for you, Tony, with all of these morning shows you've done.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh no, it's a clock, an alarm clock, a wes
A West Clock's alarm clock. Baby Ben, what's just from
nineteen sixty three.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, it's been around, It's it's not new, it's used.
I got it in a flea market.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Somehow. What are you one of these guys that goes
to flea markets and all that kind of stuff?

Speaker 2 (03:43):
You too much? Well, I didn't know not much. You
look great, well, thank you. I appreciate that and you
do too, are you for a god? It has to
get up a time of day you do every day?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
You know in this business, you think you're pretty well known.
Kansas City star, you know, Roger Miller, I'm a Kansas
City star. And I worked on the show with Perky
for a while between doing the colonels and being the
voice of U of L doing the Kentucky colonels. But
I thought it was pretty well known. So I went

(04:17):
into this convenient marge where I went and the lady
I paid for my milk and my newspaper Courier Journal
at that time, and I gave her a ten dollar
bill or something and she put it in a cash
register and I held out my hand and as she
dropped the change in my hand, she looked me straight

(04:38):
in the eye and said, thank you. Mister Perky. You're
pretty famous. But that brings you down. You know, you
think you're a Kansas City star, And there you go.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
You're the Park City flash that's right back in the day.
Tell people about that.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Park City, Kentucky. Yeah, Mammoth Ca and all of that. Yeah,
I was born and reared in park City. Park City
has about four hundred people in it still, Yeah, that's
It's always been approximately four hundred. So I asked my
dad one time, I said, I'll come. Park City only
has four hundred people ever since I've been born. They

(05:19):
said that's because every time a baby's born, another man
has to leave town.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
So did you know what they was talking about?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Then?

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Were you just a kid?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
So I drive ye there, Philo sign there AP four hundred.
Park City is a great place.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
So born from the Double B's the Dancing Romance and
pants Man is here live and incoling here on news
radio A forty whas it's seven forty nine and Bandlon
Vance is joining us. Van Man, how are you doing? Yeah, yeah,
it's the final day for now. But I have a

(06:01):
little reminder of you because you were surprised when I
knew who this guy was. Remember said, what.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Give the records off and take you along from.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Now, Geno Vanelli. So here's the story. Van Vance and
I are. You know, we we worked together and I
would go and get some sound from U of l
uh press conferences or Kentucky press conferences and stuff like that.

(06:38):
But we you know, we got to know each other
as friends and became quick friends. And all of a sudden,
he goes, hey, Mojo, Mojo, Mojo. I go, what Vanlon
he is? Have you ever heard of a guy named
Geno Vanelle? I said, I love Genovannelli. Oh you do?
You do? And so this is for you.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
I love it. I just want to stop. That's what
you're doing. You're stopping.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Stopping with Genoi. Man. I love Genoll.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
He was fantastic. And one of the stories about Geno
Vanelli is, you know, he was a young person's favorites
and all that and things. They don't always last. Your
generation moves on. So he had he had some problems,
and he went to the India. He went to the
Far East, uh, and he went to one of those seers,

(07:33):
one of those philosophers, and he told him about all
of his problems. He said, I don't have any money,
and this and that, and he'd made all of He said,
what you need is a bookkeeper. After he traveled halfway
around the world and got mental therapy and everything, he said,
the main thing you need is a bookkeeper. Geno. He's

(07:54):
still alive and lives somewhere up in Washington State. Older
man now, but he was quite talent and he was
great music. Worked for herb Alpert out of California.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
I didn't know that he studied music theory at McGill
University in Montreal, didn't he. I thought that at one
point he'd gone to Boston. What's that particular music area anyway? School?
But I mean he can sing opera, he can sing anything.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, he had a range about a four octave range
singing or whatever. And if you want to see great
geno stuff, if you're on YouTube, you go to Montreal, Montreal,
nineteen ninety one. He's at his top there. He does
some of those great songs. I was telling you, brother
to brother, people got to move and those type of songs.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
You know, I love. I loved his music. I thought,
I think he's fantastic. So anyway, and then beyond that,
you are a lover of music.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Oh yeah, I listened to all kinds of music from Cuban,
Brazilian country tree. I was listening to you never heard
this song Maple on the Hill a couple of days ago.
First country I can ever remember, but pop music, and
of course, uh, I used to do this show used

(09:15):
to be funfair. You've had Jim Walton, you had Wayne Perky.
Then what you had some cooler, didn't you for a while,
and then Tony Cruz. That's the history of this show.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah's uh, that's.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
The way it goes back. And for a while, between
doing the Colonels and U of L, I came into
the sports every morning with uh, with Wayne Perky.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
You know, oh I remember that. Yeah, you sure did.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
People back then distinguished Wayne and I and I really
miss Wayne, Milton, ky Wood. We had we had pretty
good lineup going back.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Then, you know, yes, we did. And we had Van Vance,
I mean, uh, you know, k Wood and Paul Rodgers
of course.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
All came along. He was an intern with us, going
to University of Kentucky, and he liked us so well,
we liked him so well. I don't think he ever
went back to you.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, I think Paul's going to join us in the
next hour and talk a little bit. You know. You
talked about Jock, who, well we don't have with us anymore,
but one of the You and Jock are two of
the greatest greatest storytellers I've ever been around. And Jock,
he was so funny. But one of my favorites was

(10:27):
when he was coaching.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
At lafayat Lafay at high school.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yes, and I think this is right, and you might
tell the story because you're a lot funnier than I am,
a better storyteller. But he got a technical foul and
then some right.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, he ran out on the floor about ten steps
or fifteen to raise hell with the official and the
guy said, Jock, for every step you take back to
your bench, I'm gonna call a technical foul on you.
So Jock turns to the bench, waves to this team,
to the reserves on the bench and says get out here.

(11:03):
They pick him up and carry him back and put
him on. But one of my favorite I had so
many stories about Jock, I could write a book. But
well went to New York and I had to coach
Denny Crumb calling show and I had to get it
out of Denny's suite of rooms across from Madison Square Garden,
and I needed a long cable to get my amplifier

(11:27):
and everything hooked up. And then he had a big
suite of rooms, so I had to run it for
along to have both a listen line and a transmission line.
So we went down to a radio shack and they
were closing and we beat on the window and the
guy gave us a finger. A New Yorker did. So
we got around to the front door and they let

(11:48):
us in and Jock said, let me talk to him. Man,
I'll help get this equipment. So he starts talking to
this guy, and the guy's talking to Jock, and I
can't understand what each either one of them are saying
to one another. He got a New Yorker talking to
a guy with the Kentucky brogue. So the guy goes
to look for the cord and he turns to me
and says. Jock says, man, I can't understand ord this

(12:10):
guy's saying. I said, Jock, I got news for you.
He can't understand a word you're saying. That's one of
my jockeys.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Did he do a homeless experiment in LA one time?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, when we went to La. We were there staying
at a beautiful Japanese hotel and doing the you know,
UCLA Louisville game, and they had all these homeless people
down on the street. They would make them move each
day in front of another building and they'd move down
to another abandoned building, and there was one guy down
there who was selling cigarettes for a quarter apiece to

(12:45):
the other homeless people. That was how he made a living.
And Jock would go down there and talk to him
and hang around and take them a pack of cigarettes
and hand them out. So he went down there every day.
Were there about three or four days and set up
a little conversation with him, and he knew their names
and they knew his name by the time we left. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, he told me a story I used to I
started my chops learning how to do play by play
first to w E K Y with Greg Stottlemeyer.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I know that station real well, Yeah, I knew the
people who are.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Ralph Hacker used to be there, Ralph Gabbard, I mean
a lot of guys, Buddy Scott.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
And John Sullivan. Yeah, I forget John, he was the
morning man there.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Absolutely, that was before you, Tony.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Well, I know they were just because you know, we
heard the traditions there. But also then I got a
full time job at w I r V. Well, we
would actually record football and basketball games and we play
them in the morning because we were one of those
stations I had to sign off in the winter time
for example, like five fifteen or whatever the case may be.

(13:54):
And so that's where I kind of, you know, learned
how to do a little bit of play by play.
A great at it or anything by any stretch close
to you or Paul or Tom or Okay or anybody
like that. But it was it was just kind of
funny just to hear, you know, play by play at
six o'clock in the morning or something like that. But

(14:14):
we made pretty good money on it. And back in
the day, Estell County had a really good baseball team.
But they but they couldn't get out of that region.
You know why, because they had that Madison Central team
that went undefeated. He was a team National champion, Team
of the year. They were unbelievable. Back in the day,

(14:34):
we did trading post. Back in the day, I got
some guineas, got some eggs to sell and we were
let's see, we were pop music in the morning in Bronco,
busting country in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
That station was w e K Y right.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
W K Y w I r V is the one
I was talking about. Yeah, but the e K Y
I went back to K and then came back to Louisville.
All right, seven fifty eight, we got to take a break.
We'll have more from Van Line and Paul Rodgers supposed
to join us as well. Here on Kentuck Canna's Warning News.
How big you bo. That's got to bring back some

(15:34):
memories for you too. And I say two now because
we got double these Van bants who called the game
where that song became very popular for Louisville fans back
in the day against u C l A and the
National championship in nineteen eighty. And Paul Rodgers is with
his back. What's up? What's up mister Rogers?

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Tip off time, Paul.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, here we go like the oldest.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, we can do the session at eight now if
you want, well, at least for today.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
I know today's about you, but I got to start
with a quick van story, but I.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Want to hear them all, everybody. Let's go.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
First off, I got to just I've never been the studio.
This is really cool, but I gotta get my headphones better. Okay.
So I was hired in August of nineteen seventy four,
seventy three at WHAS Radio NTV as it was in
we all did radio and TV, and I was hired
in large part because it was a general sports reporter's job,

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but also and the most important and best thing for
me was to do Louisville football and basketball play by
play because they had recently gotten the rights and Van
was doing the colonels Kavid Ledfer was doing UK and
they were trying to make it work, but they couldn't.
There were just too many conflicts. They needed another person.
So I came in. And the first I came in

(16:54):
and like it was mid August, I don't remember the
exact date, and the football season started, I guess a
couple of weeks later, and the first two games, and
if I remember, I were on the road, and just
out of the goodness of his heart, because this is
the kind of guy he is, Van went with me
on those two games just to kind of help me
a long if I ran in any problems technically, travel whatever,

(17:15):
just to you know, I was a young kid out
of college doing that for the first time. So he
went along and he was my chaperone, my color guy.
And so anyway, he didn't get paid for it, as
far as I know, I don't think he got a
talent feever, for that. So then after that and then
the Colonel season got going, I was on my own.
And then I mean, for those who don't know or remember,
Van was the bomb with not just the Colonels but

(17:37):
the ABA. He was the authority on everything. Yeah, coaches, players, general, managers, everybody.
He broke so many stories. And here's a question I
always wanted to ask you. A lot of the stories
you broke were about the Colonels, particularly involving trades and
things that they probably didn't really want out there, and
you did it anyway. And I always wondered how you
maintained that relationship of doing stuff they didn't necessarily liked,

(18:00):
but yet you were still the guy.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Well, I've I traveled with the team, I lived with him.
When they traded a guy, I knew it. I know
as soon as.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
But they might say, man, you might start finding your
own weight.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
To games I know, and the sports that they didn't
like it when I broke a lot of these stories
alike when they didn't go to Cincinnati team had been sold.
But then I'm and dan Essel, he I have so
many nicknames. Terry Minors, Doublev's that's the one that but
Dan dan Essel nicknamed me, scoop.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, scoop man.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
But what happened is is the sports editor of the
Courier Journal threatened the colonel said, We're not going to
cover you games anymore because Van Vance that's always getting
the scoops on the story.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Remember whatever, did not like you.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
But really but anyhow, the other the thing on Paul Rodgers,
like I said, he came as a as a as
an intern with k Wood and myself in the sports
department from he was attending UK, and we call him rookie.
Kywood gave him that name. Hey, Rookie, Hey, rook Rookie, rookie.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
And they called me that for twenty years.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
After twenty years, and about a few years ago, he
went into the Kentucky Sports Hall of Fame. Okay, right,
right exactly, I sent him a note to congratulate him.
I said, Hey, you've earned the right not to be
called rookie anymore. So Paul, I'm not going to call
you rookie. He's saying, he's been standing on his own
for a long long time.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
He hasn't said G whiz in quite a while. G whiz.
I always enjoyed being around you guys, and you know,
sports I think helped me to get this job because
it's just a microcosm of you know, just I have
to had to further my hopeful knowledge around a lot

(19:44):
of other things like politics, which I deplore. But you're
in the.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Business, Paul. You did one game that I'm you know,
I envy. This is the one basketball game I would
love to broadcast myself, Okay, and that's twenty thirteen championship.
That's one of the finest basketball games. Great memory of
college games, I think.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I've That's one thing people I think sort of forget
or overlook is yeah, it was a national championship. That
makes great to itself, but it was a wheel of
a game. Louisville Michigan was just a great game.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah. Look hitting four straight three pointers that's unbelieving, and.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Then the exclamation point on the trust dunk at the
end of the half. But then when people forget, that's
kind of where it stops, you know, the Tres dunk
in the game was over. Well, no, it what Michigan
came back and it was a hard fought game through
the second half before Louisville finally won.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Not it really it really really was.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
You went to what you didn't make a championship? How
many fire?

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (20:35):
He did eighty six. What we're talking about? So you
went to how many final fours? Three?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Uh? Yeah? In the first five years I broadcast you,
you know, U of L basketball, I went to three
final fours, won at all. Never nervous Purvis nineteen eighty six.
Billy Thompson, Herbert Crook, Jeff Hall and meld Wagner and
a few other guys working guys on it.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I got to hear Herb Crook story for some reason
in the Eastern High School came to Estell County, Kentucky,
and I was working at w I r V. And
I was a student at e KU, and I tried
to recruit Herb. Correct you. Of course he was never
going to come to Eastern, but he wound up, you know,
obviously coming to Louisville. What did you were you to

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play by play for nineteen eighty championship.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
With Griff No? No, Jack Jack Tennant next year? Right?

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (21:29):
You know what did the color with Jack Tenant?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
No?

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Gary Hahn, who was a long time North Carolina state
announcer just retired recently.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Wow, how about that? I didn't know that was he
from here?

Speaker 3 (21:39):
No, Gary was where he's from originally.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah. So when you there's so many different stories. You know,
I'm thinking about the Van. Uh we were talking about
you know, band has always been a big music fan.
That that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
I heard Geno Van in a while ago.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
I like the way he said it. Anyway, he said,
you ever seen him in concert? Doesn't know? He goes
you got to I wish you could have seen him anyway. Uh.
He also uh can play a guitar. And what he
did one day he popped open you know back then
we had cassettes and he said, uh, tell me what
you think of this, and he played this beautiful guitar,

(22:20):
you know, classical guitar. Uh deal, I go, man, who
is that?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
That?

Speaker 1 (22:25):
That? That is awesome? As me? Man, as me? I know,
why how do you where did you do you still
play the he was dancing It was on guitar.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
In fact, you're taking away some of my practice time today?

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Is that practice guitar every morning?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Man? We need to get him out for a jam here.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Paul, Paul and I. When you do Louisville games, you
travel a lot, and did you have any interesting experiences
in Hawaii because the first time I went to Hawaii,
they said you'll never get the game back to Kentucky
on the air. But we did. No.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
We were by the time my first trip to Hawaii
was ninety eight, I think, and we were still using
what was it comrax back, Yeah, and I guess what
I had. And actually, no, never never really had a
problem with them, the Hawaii or Alaska, any of those
we had gotten. It's easier now, but even then it

(23:24):
was modern enough that we didn't have any major difficulties.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I got two games out of Tokyo. We went there,
and I remember that Suntry Ball played two basketball games
about eighty two, and then we went over there to
do in the Tokyo Dome. Louisville Syracuse football Stallenburger was coaching,
and Terry Miners flew all the way to Tokyo. Was

(23:49):
that and did one afternoon show Holloway to Tokyo in back.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
What time would that be?

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Well, that was about nineteen.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
I was, I was, it was eighty two. I think,
you said, I remember it because I got to do
two basketball games all you were gone, and I remember
doing I did the Big Four game in Indianapolis which
was a Saturday afternoon and driving home Saturday night, listened
to you on that game, whatever time it was in Tokyo.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Well, Pete Campeeze was a football color man with me
at that time, and Terry Miners and Pete and I
flew over there, and Terry was all over the place
and I was broadcasting right in the stands and there
were two sumo wrestlers about four people down and these
guys were monsters, those big heavyweight wrestlers, and Terry kept

(24:36):
going down and hitting them on the back and giving
them five and I said, you're going to get us
kill man. Leave those guys alone there. And they only
had Paul on one side of the field. They only
had a clock on one side and the scorer, and
it was behind us football game and we're down to
the final five minutes. It's a close game, and Terry's

(24:58):
down there fa seeing it, trying to give me hands
signals how much time I left, and then talking to
the sumo wrestler. And and then when I went into Tokyo,
Terry and Pete Compeeze, with all that equipment I was carrying,
I tried to go through Tokyo security and they were
laughing and taking pictures of me in The Japanese security

(25:21):
people weren't too happy about it because I had a
lot of microphones and chords.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
And I've always said when you go through the checkpoints
and stadiums, when you open our equipment case, the first
thing being think is this is a bomb. Did you
fly with the team?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
You went with the team, didn't you most of the time?

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, I mean to Tokyo.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Uh well, because because the second when I went to
the Tokyo Dome, I was doing the Maui Classic. You
stayed here and did basketball. I flew from Maui to Japan,
and then I.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Flew back with because because both the Little and Syracuse
teams flew together out to Tokyo on that Yeah, so
you went from Melly. I forgot that.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, we were going to get more from these guys.
We need to do a podcast. We'd be making bank.
Come on, guys, it's eight seventeen at news radio eight
forty w h a s. Nick Coffee called me a legend,
and I'm in front of two legends.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Nick's just led You're gone because now he's got your job.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
You know the one thing you can always get from
Paul Rodgers is absolute truth, just absolutely just says what
he means me.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
I'm really disappointed because I never got the chance to
have a farewell show you do today, Well, we.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Got to select you, Tony. You took over. We started
Sports Talk that was on the air for thirty three years.
Most of those years you and I. Yeah, and then
Lachlan took it over. Thirty three year run. Sports Talk
was quite a show. Let me tell you, you did a
heck of a job. You ever have any outstanding experiences?

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Oh? Yeah, Well, you know, one of the things that
I did and I didn't get caught by the PGA
was you know, I didn't read the fine print and
I got my credentials. And so when Tiger and Jack
walked that uh you know, the practice holes that one day,
I mean everybody was there that could be there. It

(27:23):
was amazing. And then Jack had an hour long press
conference about everything from equipment. He hated the new clubs,
you know, but but but the balls. Uh, he got it.
He went to titleist when he was shown I remember
this a machine, uh and and they showed him how

(27:43):
inconsistent his golf ball was that he used to use
before he went to titleist and that they didn't even
understand how he could hit the ball so well and
straight or whatever he could, but he was just you know,
back back in the day when he was at his best,
he literally would uh lift his left foot on his
back swing and then he'll lift his right foot. There's

(28:06):
pictures of him. That's how hard he hit the ball.
Is that what?

Speaker 3 (28:11):
That house of Scheffler's never on the ground when he
had football.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
So then later I found out that I was only
allowed to use two minute excerpts one at one time,
and I played the whole interview of that, So that
was one of them. But one of my most favorite
interviews was because of his charisma. Was the University of
Louisville had Leilo Prado, who was the son in law

(28:35):
of Tino Martinez of the Yankees when Tino was Tino
Martinez right in the nineties. We were talking ninety four,
ninety five or one of the case.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
It's when he came in for the uh, the the.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, for the UFL baseball team. Well, guess who else
came a guy named Tommy Losorda. Tommy Losorda was managing
Team USA Baseball. Because remember they had I think one.
I guess one year in the Olympics with baseball, and
Lasorta was pumping him up and he's, you know, he's
just that charismatic guy what you see on television. I

(29:11):
was just like in all. So, then Vincenzo calls and
they start talking Italian on a fifty thousand lot radio station,
you know, and it was just hilarious. Next thing I know,
they're bringing in from Vincenzo's this delicious baked fish into
the met studio and it's stunk for about three days.
I mean not because the food was bad, it's just
you know, you got fish and fish in the So

(29:32):
that was That was one of my favorite stories.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, that, Like I said, one basketball game I would
love to broadcast would have been the twenty thirteen. I
envied Paul getting to do that because that was a
great game. And then when the night you had Lesorta,
I was still at the station, but I wasn't doing
sports talk. Then I was out there and took part
in that buffet that they fixed out.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
We probably we had to take it.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
I envied you having a Losorta. He was he was really, uh,
quite an entertaining guest on sports talk who was about it?

Speaker 1 (30:04):
He was and Gary Player was interesting because he was
a guy that when he came over for his first
British Open he won something, you know, you know, the
South African Open or whatever the case may be. He
was like nineteen or twenty years old. I read this
story in Sports Illustrated and he confirmed it where the
first night he got to England, apparently he couldn't find

(30:30):
a place to stay because everything else was too expensive
for him, so he literally stayed in one of the
bunkers there. I don't know if it was Saint Andrew
or whichever one. It was his first night before he
got the bunk he had in a bunker, So, I mean,
you know.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Dislike to play golf. The next day he was sant.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Maybe he got to think it.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I'll tell you one thing I don't envy about this
goes back to Kywood and Paul. They both do thoroughbred,
did thoroughbred racing, and I started having those twenty eight
plus and then twenty horse fields. I still don't know
how those guys memorize twenty horse How do you do that?

Speaker 3 (31:17):
You know what? My last dirt, My last race was
twenty thirteen Derby and I did thirty derbies and I
watch races now and I.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Go, the hell did I do that? I never did
know you, nor John Asher and obviously came with either.
All Right, we've got eight twenty seven and we're talking
with the fellas here, Van Vance and Paul Rodgers on
news radio a Porty Whas all right eight thirty six
a Kentuckyanas Morning News and news Radio Aporty Whs. Tony Cruz,

(31:47):
Van Vance, Paul Rodgers. This is my retirement day, and
they've been kind enough to make the show the best
show that I've ever had. As we'll go out with
the flast.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
They might say, Tony, we want you to stay. Now
you got to keep those two.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
How about this? Here's my story of the day, and
that is is May thirtieth, twenty twenty five. I'm the
only guy that I know that has retired the same
day that he got married. My wife, Penny and I
have been married forty four years.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Now.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Wow, she put up, but she put up with a lot,
didn't she.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Probably she got a lot to celebrate.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, man, So yeah, so I get to see her
more and she's going to say, oh gosh, I need
to go back to work or something. She will.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
My wife hates having me around.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
I had a friend last week.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
He a lovable curmudgets.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I had a friend who celebrated his fiftieth anniversary last week.
I heard about Yeah, I told him. I said, I
always had trouble making it a fifty day, but I did.
But this morning, I want to say hello to Scottie
Davin for coach Scott, he's out there. He was with
us in eighty six when we won the NCAA B Duke,

(33:06):
the only game they lost the whole year. He was
part of that whole group. He was on the sidelines
there with Coach Crime and all of them. I want
to thank Gus Allen for helping him set up getting
me in here. I'm glad he sent me good directions
because I'd be wandering down at sixth and Broadway, or.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
I came that way today, by the way, and I
was at the stop light at the corner of sixth
and Chestnut, looked right in that corner where our office was.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Oh yeah, wow, yeah, yeah it is. It's always interesting.
But you know, you guys worked with so many great people.
You worked with Perky Jack Fox, who you know I
just treasure. I think he's just one of the greatest guys.
And what a voice still, you know, like you double V's.

(33:55):
I mean, Fan Vance still has this Charlton Heston boys
on here, and then you know, obviously Terry and so
many great people. Met Milton Metz, one of the bright
brightest men I've ever been around. So we had some
great luck with these guys. In k Wood, who was

(34:15):
always classy, you know, I mean he treated me just
like he'd known me for twenty years, and you.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Know, did everybody that way.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah, he's just very very well.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I'd like to pitch in. I worked for a lot
of Hall of famers. You know, last week we had
the fiftieth anniversary of the Colonels winning the ABA defeating
the Indiana Pacers, and I recalled on Terry Miners Show
that four of those people are in the National Basketball
Hall of Fame. That's artist Gilmore, Dan s, Holloyd Dampier,

(34:46):
and Hubie Brown. But also Kaywood Ledford is in the
National Basketball Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Did not know that.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, he was a Voice of the UK, but he
did a lot of Final Fours, he did broadcast and
he was inducted into the before he died, he was
put into the Hall of Fame. So I have been involved.
I played for Fred Diddle, couldn't play as a freshman,
but I was on the squad and then he was
in the Hall of Fame. One of the nicest men

(35:14):
and a fantastic basketball coach, Coach Denny Crumb, He's in
the Hall of Fame. I think there are about seven
people of which I broadcast and practically lived with them
are in the National Basketball Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
You know, you know, you think about all the different
places you've guys have been. I mean, that's another perk,
you know, of the job, is just these different venues
and people that you see, great coaches. I mean, it's
kind of amazing to be in the range, you know,
the arms reach almost of some of these people that

(35:52):
a lot of people just have to watch them on
television and scream at them there was something they don't like.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Them well, working like with coach Denny Crumb all those
years I work with him, and we went through some
tough situations and great situations right from the top and
sometimes if we'd lose. We never had a crossword between
one another. I've never worked with a more professional and
the guy went to six final fours, one two of them.

(36:17):
You know, Yeah, he was one of cun Yeah, he
sure was.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
He really was, wasn't he. I mean, and the way
he was in the community. I would literally before I
got to know Denny, you know, sometimes you'd see him
out at the grocery, you know, just like everybody else,
and then somebody would stop and he would just he
would have time for him. I mean, you know, he
was that kind of guy. I mean, it didn't matter,
and you know, they he wouldn't, you know, just keep
his time thirty seconds or something. He would talk to

(36:42):
him and ask him where they lived, and he was
just very, very kind. And boy, if the world could
be a little lot more Denny dennyh yeah, for sure,
it would be a lot better places to live, that's
for sure.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
He was great. Joe By was great. I loved doing
the Joe B and Denny show. You know, I hadn't
put on the resume, but that was one of my
most favorite times just being around those guys.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Remember when that show got going and everybody loved Joby.
Then not so much when he was the coach, because
that was a side of his personality. He just never
revealed that Jock who basically.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
You had you had a rep rep forced out and
Joby and a lot of the rugh people didn't like
joe By because they made.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Up but always remembered joh Once. Once the Joby and
Denny show got going, everybody saw that side of Joby. Jock,
who had known Joeby as a kid, said, that's the
Joby Hall I grew up with. That's the real Joby Hall.
The basketball coach turned into the scruff, a very protective
kind of guy, and just wouldn't really let that sense
of humor come through.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
So I want to tell you from a personality charisma,
hard work and everything else, Kelsey is kind of an
unbelievable guy. I'm wishing to him good things. Yeah, but
the way they've changed the game, the college game, I
don't know what's going to happen anymore now.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
I don't think a lot of new one Yesterday, that
new big man from where's he from? Not Brazil?

Speaker 1 (38:05):
No Grease?

Speaker 3 (38:06):
I think yeah, Greece playing Greece.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I thank you Socrates name.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Pluto? Uh so so van uh Yeah, we got to
get vanned to meet coach Kelsey and museum. He's got
some good energy.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
When they do museum things, they invite me.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
You know, I'll tell you this. I'm very excited about
both these coaches. I like Coach Pope too. I think
you know, they've they're positive, the way they treat their
players and everything else. I think that, you know, Jovella
and you Care are in good hands. Right now. Uh,
you guys were here when Schanellenberger obviously arrived.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
By the way we speaking of Howard, I'm interrupted right now.
I just saw this morning. Apparently they have wiped out
that rule where you had to win sixty percent of
your games, and that's what kept Selimburger out basically because
nobody has resurrected programs like he did. Yeah, I think
he's gonna make the whole of fame.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
I think so too, because Mike Leach made it. Yeah.
No offense to Mike, I mean, you know, but he
had a you know, a kind of a story career
and stuff, and he took tougher you know, like he
had to take Texas Tech. He didn't get Texas and
he was a great coach like Howard.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
I mean when he went to Miami, they were awful.
I may built them. He came here, built them. He
went to FAU and invented football there.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Right right, I mean he was that, You're exactly right.
He absolutely belongs, you know, each was funny, a funny guy.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
One night, Howard and I were doing the call in
show at which we did Coach the show, I think
on Thursday night, and Coach Ellenburger he had his pipe
and he was still smoking. Then he gave his pipe
up later, but at about ten minutes till nine o'clock
had a break and so I got up to leave
the studio to go get something out of my office.

(39:55):
I had to run pretty fast, so I didn't explain
any I said, we'll be back with Coach Schnellenberger and
final phone calls on it, and so I started towards
studio door. He said, Van, where are you going. You're
leaving me in here to do the rest of the
show by myself. I said, no, I'll be back coach okay,
all right. He thought I was leaving him to do

(40:18):
the last ten minutes by himself on the air. You know.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
The first time I met Mike Leach was the only
time I really talked to him. He was at UK
and I was covering you know, I'm covering UK and
covering U of L and try to bring tape back
to you guys so you'd have some sound and that
kind of thing. And Mike Leach just started talking to
me like philosophically about something now like he's the offensive
well he wasn't really the offensive coordinator under how but

(40:45):
he was. And it was just that kind of guy.
He had that kind of brain and the whole Pirates
thing and stuff like that. You know, he was a character,
that's for sure. But Stellenberger, you know, was a character.
But you know what Love well, you know, over the
last two out of the last four years, has had
a chance of even getting into the college football playoff

(41:07):
and there it wasn't. It wasn't as insurmountable as we
all thought that it would be.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
And variable as time with Jeff.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
With Jeff Brohm, the Shnanllenburger legacy lives on because he
was his quarterback and learned that offensive and you know,
all of the intricacies of the quarterback becoming almost like
a coach on the field.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Right right frequently and the show the Coaches Shows, the
Weekly Coaches Shows, how to do with Jeff some Snellenberger
is will come up some philosophy and those are great
stories when he tells them to.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Well, you worked, you know, you work with You've worked
with some great color guys, especially Craig Swaback and Doug
James of course, who was, you know, a player in Michigan.
I still keeping contact with Doug. I love him like
a brother in the just a great guy. I haven't
seen Craig because I haven't been up in the booth
for a while, but you know, he does really good

(42:03):
work as well, and you.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Have great Snellberger stories, so yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Mean he he'll he was his kids, his players back
in the day. They really would go through a brick
wall for him. I mean it was that kind of
commitment and it had to be really I remember there
was a sportscaster which you shall go unnamed, and I
was there standing up watching practice. Stellenburger. You know, he

(42:31):
had a pretty much open practice always, you know, he
didn't keep gett managed for not coming to practice exactly.
So this guy decided that he would just sit down
in the grass or park his knees on the grass
maybe to write something down. And Schellenburger said, you don't
get yoga to sit on the grass or you get
out of here or whatever. But uh, and then I

(42:55):
was at a e KU game and Schellberger was coaching
Florida Atlantic and I saw him on the field. I
got to come out on the field. Coach kid, let me.
But by that time, you know, royals around here around
the field. I go, yes, there he goes. I don't
let him do that. But but he was nice and

(43:15):
he you know, he was he was really really pleasant,
you know, especially toward the later years and the college
football of the Kentucky Athletic College Football, the Kentucky National
Football League Hall of Fame, you know kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I didn't see that for about four or five years
and struggled mightily with it, but you know, it was
it was fun. And Schellenberger, Uh, you know, it's like
Joe b. He just he got he got softened up,
you know as well. Just you know, it was just
Howard if.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
You know, he was a tough, hard nosed football coach,
but a really good and compassionate guy and a funnier
guy than most people know. He had a subtle sense
of you were.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah, Tony, what's the first thing you want to do
for first place you want to go or what you're
in retirement tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
So what uh sleep, learn how to get back maybe
seven hours or eight hours or something like that. Because
even on Saturdays, you know, with the schedule and people
some people have heard this, when you're getting up at
three three ten, I have it set for three ten.
Most time I walked, I worked, I awoke, and I
waked at two fifty or two forty five or something

(44:27):
like that anyway, so I couldn't get back to sleep.
So but it messes up your weekends, believe it or not,
you know, over time.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
So you know, just get to see every day every
day now is a weekend for you. Yeah, every day
of your life.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
By the way, that doesn't that started to happen when
I took a few days off here recently and then
see the grandkids, you know more. I'm looking forward to that.
And we're going to Montana here a few weeks. So
that's gonna be nice. What part Bozeman that we've never been,

(45:02):
So we're gonna go there. Some people uh rented got
a cabin and so we're gonna head head there and
we're gonna go to Sedona Arizona. I've never been to Arizona.
You know, you guys got to fly all these places,
but I haven't. So what did you? What do you recommend?

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Montana's good? I have not been to Bozeman. I have
a friend, a high school friend, who lives in a
little bitty way out of nowhere place called Eureka. It's
an extreme northwest corner of Montana. We went out there
a few summers ago to visit. It's, you know, it's
it's the big Sky country. We made it over to
Glacier National Park and that'd be cool stuff. It's it's
it's neat out there.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Ban. Did you ever go to Denny's place in Idaho?

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Uh? No, I did not. I was invited several times,
but I never never went. They didn't have they didn't
have enough discos and things.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
There's no discos in Idaho. So what did you want
your recommendation? Van Line?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Well, Hawaii, of course.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I'll tell you a story about Jock and Hawaii. First
time we went there with the Cardinals to basketball, he
came out of his room and he's After about a
day or two, he said, Van Man. He always called
me Van Man Van Man. Next time I come to Hawaii,
I'm bringing fewer clothes and more money.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
You gotta have that. I thought it was funny one
time when we did go to Hawaii and we were
on Kawai and we got a fruit cup and it
consisted it was basically a you know, a pineapple wedge,
a piece of apple and a quarter of an orange,
and it was like eight dollars. It was like, what,

(46:44):
you all grow this stuff here, don't you? And they go, no,
not really. We imported from Porto rine Colors. You know,
it's not like the old days of the dole pineapple,
you know, harvest and all that kind of stuffs. Things
change agriculturally a.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Whole lot the places I've traveled. I love Hawaii. I
liked Alaska, but it'll kill you if you're not careful.
You gotta be Oh yeah, they're out fishing. There's some
episodes there. I love Clearwater, Florida, but Hawaii and Florida
a lot alike. Everybody's going there. It's crowded, it's changed,
and uh, you know, there's a lot of a lot

(47:22):
of happening in those places. But they are great places
to go. I love Clearwater, Florida. I used to go
there and play tennis.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
A lot, wasn't it. Well, you both went to the Anchorage,
Alaska Shootout.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah, I did two shoot the year I went.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
They actually there was a few years there. They did
a women's tournament also, and Louisville's women were in it,
and so we let we had an exhibition basketball game
on a Sunday. After the game Sunday night, flew to
Anchorage then the women. I might have the days a
little bit off, but it's argue the women played Monday, Tuesday,
and Wednesday, and then the men played Thursday.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Friday, Saturday.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
So we were there for full week and man, we
you know, we had a really good time. Uh we
didn't go skiing, but we went to visit a ski resort.
We uh played a lot of table shuffle board because
you don't do a lot.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Of outdoor.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
With snowboll wheeling.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
I just had a really good time. Then once the
tournament starts, you don't have time to do those things.
So it's neat that we were there for three days
were playing.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Penny just texted me we're gonna be staying in Big
Sky and we're going to Yellowstone. So anyway, that's great.
Didn't Tony Delk or one of the UK basketball players
got lost, got lost on the snowball.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, I remember what you're talking.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
They got a little blinding snow there, right. Yeah, they
had to go somewhere.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
One time, when I went to the Great Alaska shoot Out,
North Carolina State was there and Jimmy Valvano got up
and made a heck of a speech. He could he
could really roll over there in the aisle speaking. Coach
Crumb gave a good speech, and the coach at Hawaii,
the coach at Alaska, the University of Alaska, said well,
we've got all these famous coaches here and this and that.

(49:09):
He said, you know, you guys are North Carolina State
and Louisville and you've got a lot to offer players.
When you're the coach of Alaska, the only way you
can get a good recruit is promise you'll name in
Iceberg after.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
That's pretty good. That's not bad. I got to tell you.
But who's who is your favorite who's been the favorite
coach of your opponent? Kind of coach who I'm coaches? Yeah,
of the coaches that you met, over.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
A lot of them. I'm trying you're really working on
me there.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
In the modern day, you really don't get a chance
to talk to or get to know ice treat coaches.
There are a lot of them I admire and I like,
but you don't really know them unless there's a connection
with the past, like like Kevin Keats at and C State,
you know from his assistant days at LOUISLL. But you
just don't get a chance to associate with the other
people as much as I would like to.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I thought, you know, Dale Brown was somebody that for
whatever reason, I did not like until I met him.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, in person, he's very personal.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
And then started listening to what he said about student athletes,
you know, like you know, he had to put a
guy in eligibility because he took him to a dentist
because the guy had no money, you know, to get
his teeth fixed and and things like that, and all
of a sudden, I mean, I think he was one
of those coaches that kind of started turning things around

(50:36):
for student athletes really and deserves a lot of credit
for that. You know, I don't know about how good
a X and O coach he was, but he could recruit.
He certainly got a lot of great players down there
back in that day. So anything else are we done?
How much telling?

Speaker 3 (50:57):
A friend of mine texted me and told me to
tell this particular story about when we were in uh
yeah it was Alaska, pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
That's over Thanksgiving, right, And you know, you know the
story of Jock in La playing the homeless role for
a couple of days. Well, in Alaska, he decided he
was going to go get on the bus and just
ride around town. And he did. And you know, he
talks to anybody and everybody, and he would come back
and say, well, I got three Thanksgiving dinner invitations.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
He could do that, I guarantee you. I don't know
if they have saw mil gravy though in Alaska.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I don't know. If we have time, I'll tell that.
We're Southern Mississippi. They'd never defeated Louisville, were in the
Metro Conference with them. We're playing at Southern miss Hattiesburg
and Louisville loss that night. They always would come back
and win at the end. So after the game, as
the game ended, the students are running up and shouting

(51:58):
in our face and this and that, and Jock his job.
He told me one time they don't care how what
kind of color job I do back at the station.
But if the banner, he was in charge of putting
the WHS banner up on the press table, and if
the banner's a little crooked, the manager complains or the
station complaints when I get back, and he said, so,

(52:21):
I said, after the game, I'm giving the scoring and everything.
And I said, Jock, one of the reasons Louisville lost
this game, Southern Mississippi had seventeen steals. He said, ban
I got news for you. They had eighteen steals. Some
punk stole our WHAS banner. They said that banner showed
up in the door of the men's dormitory the next

(52:43):
day and they moved it around and hallways.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Well, I just want to tell you it was a privilege,
an honor, and I don't even have the words really
to say how much you guys meant to me, how
much fun I've had with you over many, many years.
And I love you both dearly. And you know, we
had John old Smith here yesterday because he was one

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of the funniest guys, and you know, just a real guy,
like a guy's guy, and never a coach speak or nothing.
With John l What you heard and what you saw
is what you got. And I just enjoyed being around him.
And obviously he.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Probably doesn't get enough credit for getting a little going again.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
He sure did. He really did, you know, in the boat,
out of the boat, ripped the mirror off, kind of stuff.
But he did it, and he's he he did it.
And you know, I could see why the kids liked
play for him. The young men like to play for
him as well, because he had their back. There's no
doubt about it. And I want to thank the audience

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for allowing me to interrupt their mornings sometimes with you know,
dumb questions or whatever the case may be. But I
really have enjoyed doing this for twenty one years and
it's a privilege and pleasure. And it's a going to
be a great job for Nick Coffee. I think he's
going to be outstanding, and along with the Scott Fitzgerald

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and John Alden. So thank you, guys, and I'll see
you somewhere. I'll see you at Carabas, Paul, look up now,
I'll see you all. Going to go walk with you
one morning.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
We made it.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
There's no more discos, Maan, I tell you this.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
If he shows up, it becomes a disco.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Okay, we'll make it a date. Have a great one, everybody,
and thanks once again for all the memories for all
of you when I was doing sports talk or the
Job and Denny Show and this show in particular. You
all are great. I love Kentucky, I love Louisville, Kentucky.
Anda and my friends in Southern Indiana have a great life.

(54:47):
And goodbye.