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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning. I'm Tony Cruz News Radio eight forty wh
as delighted to have mister John Gordon joining us once again. John,
thanks for your time. He's the former National Weather Service
level director of Meteorologist. All right, Jay g what do
you make of what we're gonna see with the flooding
(00:20):
here in Louisville tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, good morning, Toni and Gang. Yeah. So the elder
rivers except for the Ohio good news for those are
in Shepherdsville on the Rolling Fork, in Boston and Frankfurt.
The water has crested. It is moving down. Ohio has
not so right now at seven o'clock it was thirty
(00:43):
five point seven on the upper gage at Macalvin. Twenty
four hours from now it will have your crest thirty
seven feet. The problem with that thirty seven feet, Tony,
is there so much water coming down from Cincinnati. It's
gonna just kind of sit between thirty six thirty seven
and then really fall Friday into the weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Wow, it's going to take that long to recede.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, there's just so much water. So first off, you
got water coming down from Saint Louis down to kro
that's in far Western Kentucky by Paduca. Then you got
water coming down from Cincinnati, and that was a that
was a problem because this water's got to go somewhere,
so it's got it. There's a lag. I would say,
there's a twenty four hour lag, and then this weekend
(01:28):
you'll really see that river drop.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
What have you determined when you look at the state?
I saw where on your ex for example page from
the Herald Leader some pictures of these massive flooding of
I sixty five in the Bluegrass Parkway, those kind of cases.
What does that do for the road infrastructure? I mean,
(01:53):
people are still gonna have to be looking out when
things dry out. Air quotes and this water received about
the roads being safe, I would think, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
There's two yeah, two things. K dot's going to have
to look at them when they're done. Okay, So when
they come quote unquote dry as you say, they've got
to really look at that too. There's still a lot
of water as it's receding, and people love to accelerate
on their on their gas pedal and hydroplaning is still
on the table on the roads because there's water. They
(02:25):
may be dry in some spots, other places are going
to take longer. There's always low spots, so the state's
got to look at the roads. And also, people, please
never go too fast when you're hitting all this water
because it won't end up good.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, Jody Myiman reminded us yesterday, But just a foot
of water can start making your your car floaw depending
on the vehicle obviously, but you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And what happens yet again. I mean, I was so
upset when I saw that person die down on a
Bullet County, Spencer County from the floodwaters of unknown depths
the other night. It happens is time and time again.
And people were moving barricades. You see that on Tony.
You see that one on by Zorn. Guy moved the
(03:10):
barricade and one of the ms people busted them.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Oh no, I didn't see that that part.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Good for them, Yeah, yeah, I mean, what is a
barricade there? For folks, There's a reason there's a barricade. No,
Tony didn't come up there and say, hey, I'm gonna
put a barricade on this road.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Right, you know, it wasn't me. I'm just a schlip.
I was watching our WLKY news partners over the weekend
and I saw a car go around on the third street,
you know road location. It's still hadn't gone up as
high as it is now, but they went right around
right behind the reporter that was talking about don't go
(03:50):
past these barricades. There goes somebody. I don't know why
people challenge those kind of things. By the way, there's
a lot of water really close. It's been close before
to the KFC YUM Center is the YOUM Center? I mean,
is there any way that the water could get up
into that level as far as the flooring and all that.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Well, that's new since when. Okay, So we do these
things called E nineteen's, which is the updating of the
river forecast points at each level, what impact does it have?
So Andrea Shutmer, she'd be good to have on the show.
She's the hydrologist at the Weather Service. She's working with
USGS and the CORE because when that wasn't built the
(04:34):
last time they did one. And the Great Lawn. I
talked to Matt Gibson yesterday and the Weather Service is
doing flood surveys yesterday, today, tomorrow. We're trying to figure
out what level the Great Lawn floods because we haven't
had a one like ninety seven. I mean we had
the one in eighteen. We need to really have a
better idea because there's so many fests down there on
the riverfront right right.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
It is something to consider for sure. How much rain
do we get here in Louisville. And then there was
like fifteen inches plus in Benton, Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, so the airport had about seven and a half.
The office at the Weather Service on Smyrna had eight
inch seven point ninety four. But yeah, in the West,
if you think you've got problems, I know it's bad
folks in Shepherdsville, in Louisville downtown. But I'm telling you
Graves County, Dawson Springs, I can hit that big tornado
you might remember, Umber twenty one. Yeah, well they have
(05:30):
fifteen and a half inches of rain. Wow, So I
mean that's double Louisville.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, I know, And I just can't imagine, you know,
how you clean out of that. And are we starting
to see more and more places if you will, that
are on a floodplane. I mean that's going to be
heck on our insurance, just like well, the hurricanes are
for Floridians no matter where they.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Live in my in forty years. The thing I have
noticed the most host is there is more extremes and rainfall,
so you have more droughts and then more excessive rains.
And you saw this one, this one. I'm not going
to go down that road. The thing about this one,
every single time in Louisville that we have a massive flood,
(06:16):
with the exception of one that was the August two
thousand and nine, remember the big flash flood emergency in Louisville.
U of l flooded and all that throw that one out.
All the rest of them are January, February, March, early April.
That's when they always are. And they're always a front
that gets stuck. And this darn front would not leave.
We called a CLOSEI stationer front wouldn't move and we
(06:39):
had waves and waves and waves of rain. And there's
there annoying that happened in thirty seven, They happened in
forty five, happened in sixty four, happened in ninety seven.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
With that, the basins have held up. That MSD as placed.
Jody Myman was saying, thank good, as we the MSD,
I know that we all complained about it, but as
far as you know, the rates going up, but those
basins probably saved a lot of people, particularly maybe in PRP,
Shively and Southwest Louisville.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Various stute Tony. I couldn't agree more. You know, Bud
Shardeine and our current leadership, that's a really important thing
they do because that water. If you want to if
you don't have those basins, what do you think that
does to downtown and everyone else where? Do you think
that it's got to go somewhere?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, we found that nineteen thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yes, yes, yeah, you know. The funny thing is real
quick nineteen thirty seven. You know what they did after
nineteen thirty seven? Nothing? Okay, they thought it's a hundred
year flood. It happens in a hundred years. No, statistically,
it could happen every year. So they didn't do this
until the forty five flood, right, the flood walls and everything.
So I'm just telling you this, flooding is always going
(07:53):
to be the tops of every major emergency. You know, yes,
you have a tornado outbreak here and there, but all
the other disasters are always high on flooding. Flooding is
always the billion dollar disaster.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I got to get here in a second. I want
to ask you about Frankfort, the flooding that we've seen
there or is that happened before there?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, so it didn't break the all time record,
seventy eight still stands. It was very close. Yeah, it's
really bad in Frankfort and they had to close the bridge.
It's just a mess and it's slow. I know, may
not seen this way, folks in Frankfort is slowly receding
and it'll take a little time, but it'll come down
really hard this weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Appreciate your time, John, thanks so much as always, and
look forward to talk to you again soon.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And okay, all right, it sounds good. Take care of
bye bye. That sounds good bye bye.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
All right, John Gordon to here, former chief meteorologist here,
a little vere with the National Weather Service. All right,
we're taking a break at traffic of weather and Scotty
has sports coming up.
Good morning. I'm Tony Cruz News Radio eight forty wh
as delighted to have mister John Gordon joining us once again. John,
thanks for your time. He's the former National Weather Service
level director of Meteorologist. All right, Jay g what do
you make of what we're gonna see with the flooding
(00:20):
here in Louisville tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, good morning, Toni and Gang. Yeah. So the elder
rivers except for the Ohio good news for those are
in Shepherdsville on the Rolling Fork, in Boston and Frankfurt.
The water has crested. It is moving down. Ohio has
not so right now at seven o'clock it was thirty
(00:43):
five point seven on the upper gage at Macalvin. Twenty
four hours from now it will have your crest thirty
seven feet. The problem with that thirty seven feet, Tony,
is there so much water coming down from Cincinnati. It's
gonna just kind of sit between thirty six thirty seven
and then really fall Friday into the weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Wow, it's going to take that long to recede.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, there's just so much water. So first off, you
got water coming down from Saint Louis down to kro
that's in far Western Kentucky by Paduca. Then you got
water coming down from Cincinnati, and that was a that
was a problem because this water's got to go somewhere,
so it's got it. There's a lag. I would say,
there's a twenty four hour lag, and then this weekend
(01:28):
you'll really see that river drop.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
What have you determined when you look at the state?
I saw where on your ex for example page from
the Herald Leader some pictures of these massive flooding of
I sixty five in the Bluegrass Parkway, those kind of cases.
What does that do for the road infrastructure? I mean,
(01:53):
people are still gonna have to be looking out when
things dry out. Air quotes and this water received about
the roads being safe, I would think, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
There's two yeah, two things. K dot's going to have
to look at them when they're done. Okay, So when
they come quote unquote dry as you say, they've got
to really look at that too. There's still a lot
of water as it's receding, and people love to accelerate
on their on their gas pedal and hydroplaning is still
on the table on the roads because there's water. They
(02:25):
may be dry in some spots, other places are going
to take longer. There's always low spots, so the state's
got to look at the roads. And also, people, please
never go too fast when you're hitting all this water
because it won't end up good.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, Jody Myiman reminded us yesterday, But just a foot
of water can start making your your car floaw depending
on the vehicle obviously, but you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And what happens yet again. I mean, I was so
upset when I saw that person die down on a
Bullet County, Spencer County from the floodwaters of unknown depths
the other night. It happens is time and time again.
And people were moving barricades. You see that on Tony.
You see that one on by Zorn. Guy moved the
(03:10):
barricade and one of the ms people busted them.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Oh no, I didn't see that that part.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Good for them, Yeah, yeah, I mean, what is a
barricade there? For folks, There's a reason there's a barricade. No,
Tony didn't come up there and say, hey, I'm gonna
put a barricade on this road.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Right, you know, it wasn't me. I'm just a schlip.
I was watching our WLKY news partners over the weekend
and I saw a car go around on the third street,
you know road location. It's still hadn't gone up as
high as it is now, but they went right around
right behind the reporter that was talking about don't go
(03:50):
past these barricades. There goes somebody. I don't know why
people challenge those kind of things. By the way, there's
a lot of water really close. It's been close before
to the KFC YUM Center is the YOUM Center? I mean,
is there any way that the water could get up
into that level as far as the flooring and all that.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Well, that's new since when. Okay, So we do these
things called E nineteen's, which is the updating of the
river forecast points at each level, what impact does it have?
So Andrea Shutmer, she'd be good to have on the show.
She's the hydrologist at the Weather Service. She's working with
USGS and the CORE because when that wasn't built the
(04:34):
last time they did one. And the Great Lawn. I
talked to Matt Gibson yesterday and the Weather Service is
doing flood surveys yesterday, today, tomorrow. We're trying to figure
out what level the Great Lawn floods because we haven't
had a one like ninety seven. I mean we had
the one in eighteen. We need to really have a
better idea because there's so many fests down there on
the riverfront right right.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
It is something to consider for sure. How much rain
do we get here in Louisville. And then there was
like fifteen inches plus in Benton, Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, so the airport had about seven and a half.
The office at the Weather Service on Smyrna had eight
inch seven point ninety four. But yeah, in the West,
if you think you've got problems, I know it's bad
folks in Shepherdsville, in Louisville downtown. But I'm telling you
Graves County, Dawson Springs, I can hit that big tornado
you might remember, Umber twenty one. Yeah, well they have
(05:30):
fifteen and a half inches of rain. Wow, So I
mean that's double Louisville.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, I know, And I just can't imagine, you know,
how you clean out of that. And are we starting
to see more and more places if you will, that
are on a floodplane. I mean that's going to be
heck on our insurance, just like well, the hurricanes are
for Floridians no matter where they.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Live in my in forty years. The thing I have
noticed the most host is there is more extremes and rainfall,
so you have more droughts and then more excessive rains.
And you saw this one, this one. I'm not going
to go down that road. The thing about this one,
every single time in Louisville that we have a massive flood,
(06:16):
with the exception of one that was the August two
thousand and nine, remember the big flash flood emergency in Louisville.
U of l flooded and all that throw that one out.
All the rest of them are January, February, March, early April.
That's when they always are. And they're always a front
that gets stuck. And this darn front would not leave.
We called a CLOSEI stationer front wouldn't move and we
(06:39):
had waves and waves and waves of rain. And there's
there annoying that happened in thirty seven, They happened in
forty five, happened in sixty four, happened in ninety seven.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
With that, the basins have held up. That MSD as placed.
Jody Myman was saying, thank good, as we the MSD,
I know that we all complained about it, but as
far as you know, the rates going up, but those
basins probably saved a lot of people, particularly maybe in PRP,
Shively and Southwest Louisville.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Various stute Tony. I couldn't agree more. You know, Bud
Shardeine and our current leadership, that's a really important thing
they do because that water. If you want to if
you don't have those basins, what do you think that
does to downtown and everyone else where? Do you think
that it's got to go somewhere?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, we found that nineteen thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yes, yes, yeah, you know. The funny thing is real
quick nineteen thirty seven. You know what they did after
nineteen thirty seven? Nothing? Okay, they thought it's a hundred
year flood. It happens in a hundred years. No, statistically,
it could happen every year. So they didn't do this
until the forty five flood, right, the flood walls and everything.
So I'm just telling you this, flooding is always going
(07:53):
to be the tops of every major emergency. You know, yes,
you have a tornado outbreak here and there, but all
the other disasters are always high on flooding. Flooding is
always the billion dollar disaster.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I got to get here in a second. I want
to ask you about Frankfort, the flooding that we've seen
there or is that happened before there?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, so it didn't break the all time record,
seventy eight still stands. It was very close. Yeah, it's
really bad in Frankfort and they had to close the bridge.
It's just a mess and it's slow. I know, may
not seen this way, folks in Frankfort is slowly receding
and it'll take a little time, but it'll come down
really hard this weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Appreciate your time, John, thanks so much as always, and
look forward to talk to you again soon.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And okay, all right, it sounds good. Take care of
bye bye. That sounds good bye bye.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
All right, John Gordon to here, former chief meteorologist here,
a little vere with the National Weather Service. All right,
we're taking a break at traffic of weather and Scotty
has sports coming up.
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