August 13, 2023 • 40 mins
Jerry Coleman is a media mogul in Maryland, a long-time broadcaster who’s covered the Orioles and Ravens beats in Baltimore for a generation. Jerry makes a return visit to the podcast to talk about the O’s, Ravens, life as a stringer, mixed with funny stories and anecdotes from his career in the radio world. Jerry co-hosts the critically acclaimed “Adam Jones Podcast” with the former Orioles All-Star outfielder. You can follow Jerry on Twitter/X @SportsWColeman; Follow Danny G Radio on Twitter/X @DannyGradio, Follow Big Ben on Twitter/X @BenMaller, and listen to the original "Ben Maller Show," Monday-Friday on 500+ terrestrial Fox Sports Radio affiliates, iHeart stream, and SiriusXM Radio channel 83, 2a-6a ET, 11p-3a PT!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kabooms.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
If you thought four hours a day, twelve hundred minutes
a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants
of the old republic, a soul fashion of fairness. He
treats crackheads in the ghetto gutter the same as the
rich pill poppers in the penthouse.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
The clearing House of Hot takes break free for something special.
The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller starts right now in.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The air everywhere. Welcome in. It is the Fifth Hour
with Ben Mahlor and Danny g Radios. We chum away
the weekend of conversations continue on the fifth hour. Normally
we would have the mail bag, but this day different
than most Sundays because we're changing it up. My man
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Danny g is away taking care of his fatherly duties,
and so I'm doing this solo this weekend, and I've
decided just to talk to people I know, friends of mine.
Why not? And if you've been listening all weekend, I
hope you've enjoyed it. Let us know. Give us a
nice review on the Apple podcast page. But on Friday,
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we caught up with TJ. Simers, the La Times former
columnist who sued the La Times want and much money.
He told us about that near impossible victory he won
three times in court against the La Times. But I
love TJ's writing style. He's an attack dog and I
love that. And then on Saturday, one of my favorite guys,
Turk Stevens, the original coin on Ben Versus the Coin
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which became Benny Versus the Penny, and Turk joined us
for a few good minutes on the Saturday podcast. And
today we go back to the well one more time
into my bag of friends. The good thing is there's
not many friends, so there's not a lot to choose
from here that I have in the radio business. But
this guy is a Maryland media mogul. He is also
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part of the Fox Sports Radio Alumni Association. As in
the early days when I did a show with Tom
Looney on the weekends, The Blitz, very popular show. We'd
go around to different ballparks and the stadiums, and Jerry
Coleman was our guy in Baltimore covered the Ravens and
the Orioles. He's been doing that for many years, going
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way way back. He's got some great stories to tell
about that. He now does a very popular podcast, We're
Lucky to get this guy. He's a big deal. Jerry
Coleman does a podcast with Adam Jones, the old Baltimore
oriole outfielder, all Star for the Orioles, The Adam Jones Podcast,
which is really just the Jerry Coleman Podcast with Adam Jones,
but Adam Jones has the name, so they go with
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the Adam Jones Podcast. But check that out as well. Well.
I'm sure we'll get into that at some point here.
But let's welcome in the longtime radio podcasting man from Baltimore.
He knows where all the bodies are buried around the
Ravens and Orioles. We welcome in sports with Coleman. Jerry Coleman,
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my friend, Jerry, Welcome. Why don't we start with the Orioles,
who are a playoff team, one of the better teams
in baseball this year, but a faceless, mostly nameless team nationally,
this Baltimore squad. So I ask you, Jerry, as someone
that watches all these Orioles games, who is the face
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of the twenty twenty three Baltimore Orioles.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I guess you would say, And let me get the obligatory.
And I hate when people do this as guests on shows.
Thanks for having me on, Ben, it'd probably be ADLEYE.
Rushman at this juncture, you know, the former number one pick.
Ever since he's come into the organization, the team hasn't
been swept in a three game series.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
But he is pretty face less.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
He was at the All Star Game, he was in
the home run derby and all that. But it is
a team of a lot of young guys and high
draft picks, which is, you know, great for the Orioles
ownership and the fact that I'm not going to have
to pay these guys for really an extended period of
time unless they want to get ahead of things which
have never been proactive because if you look at the
history of oriole Mega contracts and the last one being
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Chris Davis, they have all virtually backfired, going back to
Albert Bell and Scott Ericsson.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Well, the good news is there's going to be paying
Chris Davis for another generation, I think. So that's the goodness.
So they'll be paying him. But here's my theory on
the Orioles. Because I watch a lot of baseball, I
flip around. I have watched all of the Oriols games,
and I don't know who ninety percent of the team
is even though they seem to be pretty good players.
It's going to take the Orioles, as you know, Jerry,
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in the playoffs to have some you know, going to run,
clutch hits, big moments. That's how these guys are going
to become household names. I don't think it can happen
during the regular season. And I realize I say that, well,
guys like Mike Trout and Shohl Tani have become household
names during the regular season. But I think for the Orioles,
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it's going to have to happen in the playoffs, and
they're going to have to go on an extent run.
I look at the American League. You look at that
card in the American League, it's pretty wide open. There's
no to me, there's no team that is clearly going
to get to the World Series. It would be a
shocker if they didn't get to the World Series. You
could you put them all into a Kino hopper and
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whatever spits out whatever, you know, Bingo hopper, whatever spits out,
you're like, Okay, you buying that or not buying that?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
No, I completely agree, And it's really who it comes
down to is getting hot at the right time, whether
it be late September or into October.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Doing it, you know, in the postseason is going to
make a significant difference.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Also, when you play some of the higher.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Profile teams like the Yankees and Red Sox, a lot
of eyes are on you. It had been five years
since the team was on Sunday Night Baseball and they
just had a series and it wasn't by coincidence, was
because the Yankees were in town that they were on
National TV back to back nights. So they got some
notoriety there and that will continue in the second half
as long as they stay in front of the American
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League East, which is by far the toughest division in
Major League Baseball, and I think of all pro sports
because the team's involved in their payrolls. And that's the
remarkable part is the two lowest you know, paid teams
are leading the way and the Orioles and the Rays,
and they both have young payrolls. Like I said, guys,
they don't have to pay a lot of money to
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whether it be a Randy Rose Arena or a Gunner
Henderson or Atlee Rushman or you know, I understand they
paid Wander Franco, but you know, Yondi Diaz and guys
like that are under control.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
They just made a great deal.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
The Rais did at the break to get up Aaron
Savales under contract for a few more years. The Orioles
picked up Jack Flaherty. Unfortunately he's just a rental, but
they didn't have to give away the farm. So the
Oriols aren't making a run here for the postseason. It's
been six or seven years since they've been in the postseason.
They haven't won a World Series in forty years. But
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you're right, it's up for grabs the American League. The
problem with the Orioles, though, right now Ben is going
to be the pitching. They have a lot of young
arms that are reaching their peak in terms of innings thrown,
and there's a fear that they're going to run out
of gas before they get to the finish line.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yes, the magic that's a pet peeve of mine, Jerry,
I'm glad you brought that up, because there's this magical
line where if it's like crossing the rubicon, and if
you cross that line, everyone in baseball is convinced that
all these pitcher are going to fall right now, it
is proven. I will say that the relief pitching in particular,
when guys get to a certain number of appearances, usually
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they fall apart. That's why the gimmick in baseball has
been to run burn your bullpen and then trade for
new bullpen arms at the deadline and refurbish. But you
mentioned Tampa Bay and all the guys that are young
guys and doing well. They're never going to have old
players in Tampa Bay because if you get to a
point where you make money, they just get rid of you.
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So yes, it's like you look at that team, it's
always going to be that way if you accomplish something.
Once you get to that, which is the seven year mark,
when you're done with arbitration, then they trace you're under
control for that long.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
And you know, Adleie Rushmand still got like five or
six years, Gunner Henderson, Austin Hayes and Cedric Mullins, the
guys that people probably aren't familiar with, the guys that
produce and some have been All Stars, but they're under
contract for at least three, some four or five more years,
and that means this team doesn't have to go out
and pay anyone ten million dollars a year the only
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guy make I think Chris Davis right now is the
highest paid player on their payroll. No pun intended, because
there's no one else besides maybe Kyle Gibson, who's making
close to ten million dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Well, and Chris Davis has not had an error. He
has been a good teammate. He hasn't caused any problems
in the locker room this year. So Davis has certainly
hasn't struck out a dozen times, you know, over a week.
That's right. Yeah, So what is the level of enthusiasm
or is it too early to judge these sports with
Coleman level enthusiasm among the natives.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I do this podcast, as you know, with Adam Jones,
and he was just in town for a big series
as the Orioles took on the Yankees. As I mentioned,
the crowds are starting to pick up. There's still a
little bit of a fear of a lot of people
going downtown because of crime and stuff of that nature.
But they're averaging around twenty one twenty two thousand a game,
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which really to me is an outstanding Now, they just
had a series against the Mets.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
They had.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Two of the games were close. One game was sold out,
the other was close to a sellout. The only game
that was sold out during that series was the Eddie
Murray bobblehead giveaway.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
And by the way, one of the biggest scams in.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
All of baseball are these bobblehead giveaways where people show
up and pack the park just to get the giveaway.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Teams raised the ticket prices typically for these games.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Okay, so you pay a little bit more to get
in and get the bobblehead. And as you know, and
you've used this analogy with popcorn at the movie theater,
these bobbleheads cost as much as probably a box of popcorn,
except you know, they go on the open market for
a lot more than popcorn, and they go for a
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lot in terms of collectibles. So they raised the price
on that and that's how the Orioles were able to,
you know, get a sellout against the Mets, which I
think is pretty sad, but that's where they are right now.
And as far as the interest in the team, you know,
usually this time of year been it's football season in Baltimore,
and attention has turned towards the Ravens and there's a
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lot of excitement about the Ravens, but right now the
town is focused on the Orioles. They haven't been in
first place just late in the season since I think
the late nineties.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Wow, I was barely alive back in the late nineties year.
Don't even I know? You were just you were just
a kid back then. I was, I was a toddler there.
The bobblehead thing is wonderful. I want to spend a
couple of minutes on that, because the Dodgers have mastered
that and they know the nights the attendance. The Dodgers
are lead Baseball and attendance every year, but they know
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on a Tuesday Wednesday it's a little slow, it's not
as full as obviously the weekend, so they have strategically
placed bobblehead nights on Monday Tuesday Wednesday during the week,
and there's so much passion for the bobbleheads. I was
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out there, and I usually end up going during the
week because I'm doing the show, and they dragged my
ass back into the studio half the time. So I
try to plan it where I go during the week
so I can go see the Dodgers in person and
then go to the studio after and I have, over
the last couple of months picked up all these different
random bobbleheads that they foss out. Not that I planned it,
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It just happens to be a night's Tuesday or Wednesday
when I'm going in or Monday, and I met some
fans of the show Jerry. On my way out, they
sent me a message on social media. Actually was the
night I got the foul ball from Ahmed Rosario and
very kind of him to give me that difected your
computer and then saved the computer that night, Right.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I did.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I did. That's the most important thing. So on my
way out, this guy, this guy sent me a message, Hey,
I want to I want to get a photo. I
was like, well, that's really cool, that's really nice. So
I went down and he actually met me outside the
press box and so I'm I go out to meet
the guy and his buddy has a plastic bag filled
with no less than fifteen bobbleheads night and I'm like,
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what are you doing? And the guy had purchased all
these extra tickets because he's a collector, and I guess
he was going to sell them. And I don't even
remember whose bobblehead it was that night. I don't even remember.
It was some obviously somebody for the Dodgers, but oh no,
you know it was Tommy thesorda ring replica ring, World Series,
replica ring. The Oriols got into that, the replica ring thing.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
No, that's probably down the line, but it's marketing genius.
And I'm just still wondering how you, as a member
of the media, were able to get the bobble at
because traditionally the teams give those out ahead of the night,
maybe to the media to put.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Out on social media and promote, but usually.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
The night of the event, the media doesn't get a handout.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
No, no, well, the Dodgers have usually done the night of.
They'll pass it out, it'll ask you if you want
one or not. You don't have to take it, but
most people take it. And so, yeah, they usually do
it the night of. But yeah, it would make more
sense to do it the day before. Yeah, just so
you can promote it.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
But the Dodgers obviously don't feel like the Orioles do
they need that promotion.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
The Dodgers probably don't feel they need that. Well, you
got to let the Orioles know, Jerry, they're missing out here.
They can have like earl Weaver ring replica. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
People love that they're proctually kind of cool. Actually the
replica rings are not They're not of the crap. People
get a ballparks of this stuff to give away. Pretty good.
The whole bobblehead thing. I'd love to go to China.
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We should do a documentary, mean you, Jerry. We'll go
to China to a factory in China where they make
the bobbleheads for all the different teams and whatnot, and
we'll just go to the factory and see it's how
the process is made. How do they make the hot dogs?
Who'll go in there and just to check it out.
It must be fascinating cause when I was younger and
in Jerry, you remember, all the bobbleheads were exactly the same. Yes,
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there was no difference. It was all just generic. There
was the generic white guy, generic black guy bibblehead and
that was it. And there's no no bells and whistles.
And I think there was one, maybe it was the
maybe it was the Orioles one. And the old bobbleheads
they had like the bird. You remember they had the bird.
There's been there's been talking bobbleheads.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
The late great Chuck Thompson used to call Orioles baseball
had a talking bobblehead. I think Joe Angel at one
point did as well. So they've come up with different
unique ideas. And yeah, they've used the bird and the
bobbleheads as well.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
The disappointing thing for me, and uh, really unnerving thing
is twice now my brother, who's just maybe a year
younger than me or two, has asked me to get
a bobblehead for him. And he's got a kid, he's
got a daughter, my niece who's ten. Yeah, And I
said is it for her? And he said, no, it's
for me. And I said, you're fifty four years old
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you really need Are you serious? You want an Adlie
Rushman Captain America bobblehead? The hell are you going to
do with that?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Well, the Dodgers actually one of their promotions this year, Jerry,
this is this is next level a lebron Dodgers bobblehead there.
That's ridiculous as the ultimate chill. Well, not only that,
I think another one they did. I might be wrong
in this. The USC quarterback Caleb Williams, who is supposed
to be the number one pick in next year's NFL draft,
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the Heisman guy from usc They also did some promotion
where he's getting a bobblehead.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Well, I'm sure he's also getting some money too via
nil because that sounds like a money maker for him
as well.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
If I'm him, you know I want a piece of
the pie. Yeah, no, no, sure, we need to get
in on that. We need podcasting and we need radio
nil deals, name image, likeness deals. Isn't there a Ben
Maller bobblehead out there somewhere? No, No, I wish there was.
That would be really cool. I would love that, but
there's no.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Well, once we locate that shop in China, we can
ask them politely and I'm sure they will to configure one.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
We can get fifty thousand of them made for about
seven dollars and shipping would be rather high. That would
be rather crazy. So I wanted to spend a couple
of mis because me and me and Jerry we have
something in common. We both spend a lot of time
as a radio stringer, which is no longer a position.
It is a job that does not exist except there's
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like one person in every city that does it, but
there used to be a bunch of people in every
city that would do it, every big league city, And
that's how I kind of got started. I worked at
a station in San Diego. They hired me. My first
paying gig other than being a boardop for San Diego
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State basketball, which was a disaster, was to be a
stringer to go to games. And you did that for
many years. That's how we actually got to know each other, Jerry,
when you were the stringer in Baltimore for all the
Orioles and Ravens games and used to call in to
Fox Sports Radio in the very early days of Fox
Sports Radio, back in the old days. So we've lived
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a similar life, and people have asked me, it's like, hey,
you know, you tell some more stories about those days.
What was it like and all that? And I've told
a few of them. We can't tell all of them.
But some of my favorite memories were actually the craziness
of getting kicked out of locker rooms. Were you ever
kicked out of locker rooms? Dree, do you get booted out?
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Of course I was thrown out of the Mets locker room.
But not because of you know, anything I did as
a stringer. It's because I decided to sit down on
a chair in a chair because I was waiting for
Mike Piazza to come out for about thirty minutes. And
Jay Horwitz, who has been the longtime PR guy there,
didn't like the fact that I'm sitting down at a
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card table, asked me to get up, and I said,
do you mind getting Mike Piazza, Like I've asked four times?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
He told me to get up. I didn't get up.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Then he tried to kick me out and that started
a confrontation in the visiting clubhouse at Camden Yards, and
all of a sudden, Mike Pias and the rest of
the Mets show up because they were all hiding like
cowards in the lounge or the food room, so they
weren't by their lockers, and they chased me out of
the locker room. And I just remember the Oriols PR
director like fifteen minutes later on the field said what
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the hell just happened inside the Mets locker room?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And I said, there are a bunch of a holes.
So that was story.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
But as far as stringing in the press box, there
have been a few incidents with me involving that maybe
noise level or trying to use a phone that didn't
belong to me. So I mean there's been episode. I
was a stringer once in Cuba. Then when the Orioles
played against the Cuban national team back in nineteen ninety nine,
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I was doing some stringing work for the Four Letter
Network and for Fox and other outlets, and I didn't
have a dedicated phone, but I remember after the game
was over there were all these payphones landline phones that
were set up, and I used the Associated Press's phone.
I guess I can say it now statute of limitations
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is run out.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
But not only did.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I call all the networks and found my reports, I
think I called everyone I knew back in Baltimore as
well that day from Havana, just to check in and
let them know everything was going fine.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
But I do remember the first couple of.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Years where the Ravens were in Baltimore and I was,
you know, the guy to go to for a lot
of the networks, and I was using a phone that
didn't belong to me either. And not only that, but
I was extra loud, so the Ravens ass that I used,
and this was an outdated reference something called a payphone
that was on the wall in the back of the
press box. So I was relegated to a payphone for
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several years in the mid nineties as you were growing up.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, yeah, of course. Now I also have a J.
Horowitz story. I got kicked out of the main press
box at Chase Stadium by J Horowitz because one of
the Mets beat writers got upset that I was there.
Because there's a class system, at least back then. I
don't know if this is still a thing in the
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New York media now. I was traveling with the Dodgers
at the time, so I was part of the you know,
I was hanging I would always kind of hang out
with the beat writers and because I knew them and
they every city they'd go to, so I was hanging
out with them. But there's two different press boxes. There's
like the the adults press box for the for the
newspaper writers. Back then this newspapers mattered. Now they don't matter,
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but back then they mattered. It was a big deal.
And so they had that. And then in New York,
the radio guys had their own separate They were relegated
to a little box down down the hall from the
main press box. And I didn't know that. And so
one of the Mets beat writers, this jerk, this schmuck
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who I think moved to Japan to cover baseball. I
believe that's what happened. But anyway, this guy got upset
with me. He went to Horowitz and then Jay came
up to me. You got you gotta You're not allowed
to be no radio guys can be here. You gotta
go down to the to the other booth. And so
I went down with my tail between my legs and
I walked down to where all the radio guys were.
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But the good news about that, though, Jerry is I
spent the night that night. I sat next to Joe Beningo,
who was Yeah, I hung out with him for most
of that game, who had a long career. He was
a caller to WFA and then became a host YEP.
And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
I think he's back. I think he retired and then
he came back. If I don't know, I believe he
is back. I believe he is back. I didn't realize
there was a tear system. I was never around that.
I do remember the radio people being seated far away
and far behind the print people when they were important
back in the day. But I also remember the fact that,
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you know, the print people never appreciated the live voice
are going on behind them.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
You know, Ben, Right.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Now, it's second and ten for the Ravens are at
the Raiders thirty four yard line. Ray Lewis has left
the game due to an accusation of murder or something
like that. And you know, all these heads turn around, like,
who's this guy talking in the back of the press box.
And I've done that in Washington, I did it in Baltimore,
and then really I came to learn the only reason
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that stuff existed was for gamble that's who was paying
attention to the updates that we were providing. To be
honest with you, it was really and there was a
thing called sports Phone in New York that you're aware of.
Probably there was also something called the NBA Hotline that
I would call and foul reports for and that was
also for gamblers as well. And now it's just not
needed because of social media and everything so instantaneous.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Well, that was the whole origin of twenty four hour
sports radio. As you know, it's WFN the updates were
for the West Coast games, so the gamblers in New
York that wanted to get an update on the Giants
game or the Padres game, and back in the oldest
you had to wait for the newspaper. But if you're
on the East Coast, nothing would pop out of the
you know, you'd have to wait a couple days because
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it wouldn't be in the newspaper. The late West Coast
games and all that. So it's a different, different time
as far as getting kicked out of locker rooms, though
I'll tell one one story. There's a couple of them.
The most famous was the Arizona Diamondbacks, and there was
a beanball battle betwe the Dodgers and the Diamondbacks, and
they were clearly throwing at each other, and I had
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to get some sound from the diamondback side. And the
Dodgers had a pitcher named Chanho Park who was throwing
at the Diamondbacks, and I forget the Diamondbacks pitcher, he
was throwing at the Dodgers anyway. Matt Williams a very
surly guy who played third base for a long time
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with mostly the Giants, but he played for the Indians.
They were called the Indians then and the Diamondbacks. So
I was in the locker room. I was asking him
questions about what was going on, and the first time
he kind of blew me off. He didn't address it.
So then I asked again. He gave me something, but
not what I needed. As you know, Jerry, you had
to get about fifteen seconds roughly of good audience. That's
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the perfect sound bite, fifteen seconds. You don't want it
to be too long, but you don't want it to
be too short. So I asked the third time, and
then he snapped at me. He went delirious and said,
knock it off, get out of here, and he stood out.
He was drinking a beer at his locker and he
stood up and and got very upset with me, and
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it was disturbed at my line of questioning seemed a
little unstable. And then a bunch of people who I
don't even know who they were came over to me
and said I had to leave, that I had to
get it now.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Most importantly, though, BEN were able to record all that,
because that's audio gold.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yes, yes, and it got played for years because I
I was doing a local show at the time as well,
and so I made sure to play that here's a
major League baseball player off of his rocker, and here
you go. And also speaking of that, speaking of off
the rocker, the late Tony Phillips. Did you ever deal
with Tony back in the day.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah, he was a hothead. I stayed away from him.
Same thing with Albert Bell and Delman Young, guys I
had to deal with.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, there haven't been.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yeah, I was never thrown out, but there were There
have been a lot of encounters inside locker rooms with
myself and athletes, whether it be Delman Young who didn't
understand why I was approaching him after he had hit
a game winning three run homer, because he said I
hadn't approached him, you know, all year long, when he
had done nothing at the plate. So yeah, when you
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had the game winning home run, That's kind of the
way it works in the major leagues. People do want
to hear what you have to say when you know
your bat decides the game.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
There was an episode with the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
You may remember the former Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith, who.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Had a very very brief NFL career and was a
total jerk.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
The Ravens used to play something on Fridays called media Dodgeball,
and they thought it would be fun to turn out
the lights in the locker room and they would throw
a football around and one player would lob it to
another player.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
They turn the lights on and off, and.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
The other player would be standing behind you and they
would catch the football right over your head and don't
get right on your head. So I'm not a big guy,
and I remember there was a guy named Tom Zavikowski
who lobbed it over to Troy Smith.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Troy slammed the football on my head.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
I went down like Tim Anderson, and my head hit
the floor and I was seeing stars for like thirty seconds.
I wasn't out, but I'm just staring up and all
I remember it was like a scene out of a movie.
It was like Troy Smith, Joe Flacco, Terrell Suggs, all
these guys are.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Looking on Coleman.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
You all right, you are right now. Let's just say
that was the end of media Dodgeball. It was also
the end of Troy Smith being a jerk to me,
because I think he was worried that I may sue him,
and I probably should have wore a neck brace the
next day to the locker room. But after that, he
couldn't have been nicer and that was the end of
media dodgeball.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
So there's been incidents like that.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
There was an incident where Raven tried to block me
from going to a certain part of the locker room
because he told me that area was prohibited, and I said,
I've been covering the team since you were in high school.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Get out of my way, and we got into it.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
The PR guy didn't ask me to leave, but asked
me not to pursue that person down in that corner
of the locker room. And the player's name still plays
with Raven, this guy Tias Bowser. We've had no communications since.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Wow, all right, and yeah, I like how certain areas
are completely awful limit even though they're like public areas
of the clubhouse. In the locker room, you're like, you're
not supposed to go a tallowed ground, you can't go
over there. Did you ever get the joy of you
mentioned waiting for Mike Piazza. I spent many a night
waiting for Barry Bonds to shower, and a couple of
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times Barry never came out of the shower. He snuck
out the back and would have the clubhouse, guy go
get his clothes. And so that's how much he loathed
talking to the media. Real fun guy. And I love
that Barry's now trying to change his reputation a little bit,
like he thinks he's got this Hill Mary chance and
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maybe he will get in the Hall of Fame. He
probably should be in the Hall of Fame. But he's
a total dick and he was He's treated people like
shit when he played back in the day, and so
Bonds is like trying to change things up. But I'm like, no,
I remember that. No, you were you know you're not.
You're not rewriting history here, Barry. You were terrible. But
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you mentioned Albert Belts. You just didn't even bother talking
to Albert. You just stayed when he was with the Orioles.
You just stayed away from No.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
In fact, there was a new policy that was started
during spring training.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
They used to let the.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Media go into the locker room during spring training games
to interview players before they left. As you know, a
lot of these players would leave in the third or
fourth inning. So the story goes, we were inside the
Orioles locker room.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
It was in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I forgot who the player was, but we were speaking
to him and Albert Belt came in into a temper
tantrum and took a bat to a locker and just
smashed it up the pieces and we all looked around,
like you know, everyone was like, well, I guess we're
not going to talk about that. But the guy from
the AP, who's a good friend of mine still and
I played that as with them, says no, I got
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a call New York to see, you know, if I
should write about this, and we're like, eh, do you
have to?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And he's like, yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
So he called New York and they said yes, said
it was written about and after that, no one was
allowed inside the locker room until and that's still the
Orioles policy.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
No one's allowed inside the locker room during the games.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
As far as a player, that would make me wait,
it's a guy who, unlike Barry Bonds, is in the
Hall of Fame, but like Barry Bonds, was a bit
of a douchebag. And that was Mike Musina, and Musina
was infamous for making the media weight. I'll never forget
what someone said to him, Hey, Mike, can I just
ask you one question, and he turned around and said,
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you just did. But he also was infamous for coming
out while the media was waiting around his locker and
you know, we thought he was ready to talk. Instead
he would grab his toothbrush and his toothpaste it's a
detal floss, and go back into the you know, into
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the locker room bathroom area, take about fifteen minutes, come
back out, then brush his hair, keep his back to
us and all that, and finally turn around, after like
a twenty twenty five minute wait, finally get a few
small quotes from this guy who didn't speak in long sentences,
so he was pretty jerky. That stood out more than anyone.
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Cal Ripkin took a long time to come out after
games as well, but that was deserved a little bit
more because you know, it was Cal Ripken. But Mike,
you've seen it was really a pain in the neck
to deal with. And so was the former picture named
Eric Badard, who actually got traded away for Adam Jones.
But Bdard was a total jerk and didn't like speaking
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to the media at all wherever he went, and now
is out of baseball after collecting a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, well, all of them made a ton of money.
Good for them, and we're the Dodo birds that sat
there and waited for them to talk to bless us
with a few words here. So, Jerry, now you're getting
this season in the NFL. You've got the Odell Beckham
experience coming to Baltimore. Here are you excited about that?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Dealing with Odell during the season there is I'm predicting
right now, he's going to be a problem. I'm saying
it right now, And I know the team has embraced them,
they love them. I think it was a panic move
by the Ravens to go out and pay him fifteen
million when no one else was going to sign him for.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
That kind of money.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
But at the time when they signed him, if you
looked at their list of wide receivers was basically Rashod
baven Since then, they've drafted this kid's eve Flowers out
of Florida and added guys like Nelson Aguilar and we'll
see how he works. Marcus Peters is no longer a
part of the Ravens. You couldn't have both of those
personalities and the same lockram In my opinion, even though
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John Harbaugh has been around sixteen years now. I just
don't think, you know, he's strong enough to maintain those personalities.
But Beckham is going to be interesting because he has
a tendency, as you know, to wear out is welcome.
His dad is notorious for leaking stories, and I can
see a scenario where he's just not getting the ball
enough from you know, Lamar Jackson to his liking, where
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he causes an uproar if things go sour. So we
will see how it plays out. But right now, he's
a megastar in Baltimore. I went to one of his
football camps where he was charging kids two hundred and
seventy five dollars apiece just to come out there, and
you know, he would throw the football to him. They
spent five hours out there with them, God bless them,
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made a killing. And at a Raven's training camp, he's
been a hit every day with the fans that are
allowed out there. They don't allow the unwashed out at
training camp. You have to be like a season ticket
holder or a sponsor to attend that. But the city
is in love with him as of now. We'll see
how it develops.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, he's a star. He played well for the Rams
but he was only with the Rams for half the season,
and then he was gonna be the MVP of the
Super Bowl the way that game started, and then he
went snap, crackle, pop, and that was it. And as
far as Lamar Jackson is concerned, Jerry, we both thought
he wasn't going to get paid. I think you were
(34:24):
in agreement here where you were, Oh yeah, you were
out that the Ravens were not going to give him
the money. They did give him the money. Lamar did
not play particularly well last season. As the season progressed,
his numbers did not live up to the name, the
MVP name of Lamar Jackson. So what happens now that
he's gotten paid, Well, all the pressure in the world,
(34:45):
there's no more excuses. All the pressure in the world
is on him. He's won one playoff game.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
They're gonna Seriously, the expectation is if this team doesn't
get to the AFC Championship, then it's a failed season.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
So they have Super Bowl aspiration.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Obviously, they've gone out and made some acquisitions to try
and bolster their offense. They think their defense is going
to be pretty solid. It's going to come down I
think to them in the Bengals. They probably the Steelers
to a degree, but mostly the Bengals in that division.
And the owner of the team, Steve Ashanti, is a
big fan and he wants to see this team back
(35:21):
in the playoffs, you know, I mean last year they
had a chance. But Lamar, as you mentioned, hasn't been
the same really since his MVP season. He's been in
decline in my opinion, and he's also been hurt an
awful lot. But Steve finally decided to pay him when
a lot of people thought they were going to wait
one more year, but it would just lead to a
lot of acrimony. So they bit the pullet and they
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paid the guy. And hopefully it doesn't go the way
that it went for Joe Flacco, where once he got paid,
he went into the tank.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, exactly. Now, as far as you're a podcast for
those you want to hear more of Jerry, you're a
radio vetteror but you've moved to the podcast based Jerry.
You've got very popular podcast, as you mentioned with Adam Jones.
How can people find that? I assume everywhere, anywhere and everywhere,
and you want it's mostly Baltimore, right, You're mostly talking
about the Orioles in Baltimore sports. But you cover a
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little bit everything, don't you.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
We do go national. We've had some you know, national guests.
I mean most of the most of the people do
have ties to Baltimore or ask them something about Baltimore.
But Ken Griffy Junior, Barry Levinson, you know people who
are national names have been on before. But also you know,
Buck Showalter, Brandon Hide, John Harbaugh. You can find it
the same place you're listening to this podcast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I would presume we're also on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
We like to show our faces, Ben, I know you
don't do that typically on your podcast. We have we
have great sponsors which helped flip the bills. We have
a great media partner which helps pay the bill. And
it's been very fun doing this thing with a guy
who has you know, been around the world. He's living
in Barcelona, Spain. I'm talking about Adam Owns, who was
(37:00):
a former five time All Star and now looks to
get maybe a little bit into the broadcasting world.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
He's dipping his toe in it.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
It's been interesting in developing that with him and trying
to let him know that it's okay to criticize these
guys every once in a while, even though at times
he's reluctant. I'm trying to let him know that that
helps the podcast if he's a little bit critical.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
But he does have to walk a little bit of
a fine line. I don't I don't care. Now it's
two words, tough love. Tough love. Yep, Well that's the
the key.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, I'm not going to sugarcoat it for anyone. If
the team's going bad, I'm going to let him know
if we have a player or a guest on. I mean,
you know, Jim Palmer was on This is On this week,
and Jim and I did have a little bit of
a falling out at one point when I broke a
story where he was quoted as saying that he thought
Brady Anderson you steroids that year he had fifty home runs,
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and he claimed that I had doctored the tape and
all that in a story to the Washington Post. Now,
I didn't bring that up during the interview with Palmer
just because things were going so smoothly, but it was
in the back of my mind, and I know if
I would have brought it up, it would have just
caused a lot of consternation between Adam and myself and
probably Palmer and myself, which I really don't need at
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this point. So it was over what fifteen years ago
when Brady Anderson hit fifty home runs, So I've sort
of let that go, but I'll never forget that.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Jim Palmer accused me of doctoring the.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Tape from an interview he did with him about where
he made the accusation.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Were you in there with the razor blades, like splicing
the tape up to make it seem like he said
something he didn't say, Jerry, were you doing something? It's
funny because I used that type of terminology.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I was like, that was the only time I ever
had displice tape was going to college once, Ethica College,
where I learned that. Never did that at the professional level,
Never had to do that at the professional level, just
in college with the razor blade.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
But I'm not that talented. Yeah no, And I learned too.
I learned how to do the razor blade editing in
the early archaic days of radio, and then about a
year into my career everything went digital and I was like, ah,
that's all I wasted my time learning how to slice
the real guests. I'll never use that skill. All right,
(39:15):
We'll leave it there, Jerry, thank you again. You're on
with Adam Jones. That podcast available and it's just the
is it the Adam Jones podcast? Is that?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah, we put his name on there because of anything
inflammatory or you know, anything that goes viral. As said,
it comes back to him and not me.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
I got you. That makes total sense. You're devoid of liability,
you have a plot.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
We just yeah, it was strategic in using his name
in that fashion. A lot of people are like, wellwcome,
you're not included, and I said, I'm okay with that.
If you watch or listen to the podcast, I'm the
dominant voice song there. I mean, he's he's the star
of the show, but I'm the host and the guy
that you see in here probably the most.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
So I'm okay with that. Nice. Nice all right, Well,
thank you, Jerry. We'll catch you on again. We'll put
you on here at some point again. Thank you man,
thanks for having me. Ben
Kabooms.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
If you thought four hours a day, twelve hundred minutes
a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants
of the old republic, a soul fashion of fairness. He
treats crackheads in the ghetto gutter the same as the
rich pill poppers in the penthouse.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
The clearing House of Hot takes break free for something special.
The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller starts right now in.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The air everywhere. Welcome in. It is the Fifth Hour
with Ben Mahlor and Danny g Radios. We chum away
the weekend of conversations continue on the fifth hour. Normally
we would have the mail bag, but this day different
than most Sundays because we're changing it up. My man
(00:52):
Danny g is away taking care of his fatherly duties,
and so I'm doing this solo this weekend, and I've
decided just to talk to people I know, friends of mine.
Why not? And if you've been listening all weekend, I
hope you've enjoyed it. Let us know. Give us a
nice review on the Apple podcast page. But on Friday,
(01:14):
we caught up with TJ. Simers, the La Times former
columnist who sued the La Times want and much money.
He told us about that near impossible victory he won
three times in court against the La Times. But I
love TJ's writing style. He's an attack dog and I
love that. And then on Saturday, one of my favorite guys,
Turk Stevens, the original coin on Ben Versus the Coin
(01:38):
which became Benny Versus the Penny, and Turk joined us
for a few good minutes on the Saturday podcast. And
today we go back to the well one more time
into my bag of friends. The good thing is there's
not many friends, so there's not a lot to choose
from here that I have in the radio business. But
this guy is a Maryland media mogul. He is also
(02:01):
part of the Fox Sports Radio Alumni Association. As in
the early days when I did a show with Tom
Looney on the weekends, The Blitz, very popular show. We'd
go around to different ballparks and the stadiums, and Jerry
Coleman was our guy in Baltimore covered the Ravens and
the Orioles. He's been doing that for many years, going
(02:21):
way way back. He's got some great stories to tell
about that. He now does a very popular podcast, We're
Lucky to get this guy. He's a big deal. Jerry
Coleman does a podcast with Adam Jones, the old Baltimore
oriole outfielder, all Star for the Orioles, The Adam Jones Podcast,
which is really just the Jerry Coleman Podcast with Adam Jones,
but Adam Jones has the name, so they go with
(02:42):
the Adam Jones Podcast. But check that out as well. Well.
I'm sure we'll get into that at some point here.
But let's welcome in the longtime radio podcasting man from Baltimore.
He knows where all the bodies are buried around the
Ravens and Orioles. We welcome in sports with Coleman. Jerry Coleman,
(03:03):
my friend, Jerry, Welcome. Why don't we start with the Orioles,
who are a playoff team, one of the better teams
in baseball this year, but a faceless, mostly nameless team nationally,
this Baltimore squad. So I ask you, Jerry, as someone
that watches all these Orioles games, who is the face
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of the twenty twenty three Baltimore Orioles.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I guess you would say, And let me get the obligatory.
And I hate when people do this as guests on shows.
Thanks for having me on, Ben, it'd probably be ADLEYE.
Rushman at this juncture, you know, the former number one pick.
Ever since he's come into the organization, the team hasn't
been swept in a three game series.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
But he is pretty face less.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
He was at the All Star Game, he was in
the home run derby and all that. But it is
a team of a lot of young guys and high
draft picks, which is, you know, great for the Orioles
ownership and the fact that I'm not going to have
to pay these guys for really an extended period of
time unless they want to get ahead of things which
have never been proactive because if you look at the
history of oriole Mega contracts and the last one being
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Chris Davis, they have all virtually backfired, going back to
Albert Bell and Scott Ericsson.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Well, the good news is there's going to be paying
Chris Davis for another generation, I think. So that's the goodness.
So they'll be paying him. But here's my theory on
the Orioles. Because I watch a lot of baseball, I
flip around. I have watched all of the Oriols games,
and I don't know who ninety percent of the team
is even though they seem to be pretty good players.
It's going to take the Orioles, as you know, Jerry,
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in the playoffs to have some you know, going to run,
clutch hits, big moments. That's how these guys are going
to become household names. I don't think it can happen
during the regular season. And I realize I say that, well,
guys like Mike Trout and Shohl Tani have become household
names during the regular season. But I think for the Orioles,
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it's going to have to happen in the playoffs, and
they're going to have to go on an extent run.
I look at the American League. You look at that
card in the American League, it's pretty wide open. There's
no to me, there's no team that is clearly going
to get to the World Series. It would be a
shocker if they didn't get to the World Series. You
could you put them all into a Kino hopper and
(05:20):
whatever spits out whatever, you know, Bingo hopper, whatever spits out,
you're like, Okay, you buying that or not buying that?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
No, I completely agree, And it's really who it comes
down to is getting hot at the right time, whether
it be late September or into October.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Doing it, you know, in the postseason is going to
make a significant difference.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Also, when you play some of the higher.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Profile teams like the Yankees and Red Sox, a lot
of eyes are on you. It had been five years
since the team was on Sunday Night Baseball and they
just had a series and it wasn't by coincidence, was
because the Yankees were in town that they were on
National TV back to back nights. So they got some
notoriety there and that will continue in the second half
as long as they stay in front of the American
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League East, which is by far the toughest division in
Major League Baseball, and I think of all pro sports
because the team's involved in their payrolls. And that's the
remarkable part is the two lowest you know, paid teams
are leading the way and the Orioles and the Rays,
and they both have young payrolls. Like I said, guys,
they don't have to pay a lot of money to
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whether it be a Randy Rose Arena or a Gunner
Henderson or Atlee Rushman or you know, I understand they
paid Wander Franco, but you know, Yondi Diaz and guys
like that are under control.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
They just made a great deal.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
The Rais did at the break to get up Aaron
Savales under contract for a few more years. The Orioles
picked up Jack Flaherty. Unfortunately he's just a rental, but
they didn't have to give away the farm. So the
Oriols aren't making a run here for the postseason. It's
been six or seven years since they've been in the postseason.
They haven't won a World Series in forty years. But
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you're right, it's up for grabs the American League. The
problem with the Orioles, though, right now Ben is going
to be the pitching. They have a lot of young
arms that are reaching their peak in terms of innings thrown,
and there's a fear that they're going to run out
of gas before they get to the finish line.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yes, the magic that's a pet peeve of mine, Jerry,
I'm glad you brought that up, because there's this magical
line where if it's like crossing the rubicon, and if
you cross that line, everyone in baseball is convinced that
all these pitcher are going to fall right now, it
is proven. I will say that the relief pitching in particular,
when guys get to a certain number of appearances, usually
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they fall apart. That's why the gimmick in baseball has
been to run burn your bullpen and then trade for
new bullpen arms at the deadline and refurbish. But you
mentioned Tampa Bay and all the guys that are young
guys and doing well. They're never going to have old
players in Tampa Bay because if you get to a
point where you make money, they just get rid of you.
(07:55):
So yes, it's like you look at that team, it's
always going to be that way if you accomplish something.
Once you get to that, which is the seven year mark,
when you're done with arbitration, then they trace you're under
control for that long.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
And you know, Adleie Rushmand still got like five or
six years, Gunner Henderson, Austin Hayes and Cedric Mullins, the
guys that people probably aren't familiar with, the guys that
produce and some have been All Stars, but they're under
contract for at least three, some four or five more years,
and that means this team doesn't have to go out
and pay anyone ten million dollars a year the only
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guy make I think Chris Davis right now is the
highest paid player on their payroll. No pun intended, because
there's no one else besides maybe Kyle Gibson, who's making
close to ten million dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Well, and Chris Davis has not had an error. He
has been a good teammate. He hasn't caused any problems
in the locker room this year. So Davis has certainly
hasn't struck out a dozen times, you know, over a week.
That's right. Yeah, So what is the level of enthusiasm
or is it too early to judge these sports with
Coleman level enthusiasm among the natives.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I do this podcast, as you know, with Adam Jones,
and he was just in town for a big series
as the Orioles took on the Yankees. As I mentioned,
the crowds are starting to pick up. There's still a
little bit of a fear of a lot of people
going downtown because of crime and stuff of that nature.
But they're averaging around twenty one twenty two thousand a game,
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which really to me is an outstanding Now, they just
had a series against the Mets.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
They had.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Two of the games were close. One game was sold out,
the other was close to a sellout. The only game
that was sold out during that series was the Eddie
Murray bobblehead giveaway.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
And by the way, one of the biggest scams in.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
All of baseball are these bobblehead giveaways where people show
up and pack the park just to get the giveaway.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Teams raised the ticket prices typically for these games.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Okay, so you pay a little bit more to get
in and get the bobblehead. And as you know, and
you've used this analogy with popcorn at the movie theater,
these bobbleheads cost as much as probably a box of popcorn,
except you know, they go on the open market for
a lot more than popcorn, and they go for a
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lot in terms of collectibles. So they raised the price
on that and that's how the Orioles were able to,
you know, get a sellout against the Mets, which I
think is pretty sad, but that's where they are right now.
And as far as the interest in the team, you know,
usually this time of year been it's football season in Baltimore,
and attention has turned towards the Ravens and there's a
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lot of excitement about the Ravens, but right now the
town is focused on the Orioles. They haven't been in
first place just late in the season since I think
the late nineties.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Wow, I was barely alive back in the late nineties year.
Don't even I know? You were just you were just
a kid back then. I was, I was a toddler there.
The bobblehead thing is wonderful. I want to spend a
couple of minutes on that, because the Dodgers have mastered
that and they know the nights the attendance. The Dodgers
are lead Baseball and attendance every year, but they know
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on a Tuesday Wednesday it's a little slow, it's not
as full as obviously the weekend, so they have strategically
placed bobblehead nights on Monday Tuesday Wednesday during the week,
and there's so much passion for the bobbleheads. I was
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out there, and I usually end up going during the
week because I'm doing the show, and they dragged my
ass back into the studio half the time. So I
try to plan it where I go during the week
so I can go see the Dodgers in person and
then go to the studio after and I have, over
the last couple of months picked up all these different
random bobbleheads that they foss out. Not that I planned it,
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It just happens to be a night's Tuesday or Wednesday
when I'm going in or Monday, and I met some
fans of the show Jerry. On my way out, they
sent me a message on social media. Actually was the
night I got the foul ball from Ahmed Rosario and
very kind of him to give me that difected your
computer and then saved the computer that night, Right.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I did.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I did. That's the most important thing. So on my
way out, this guy, this guy sent me a message, Hey,
I want to I want to get a photo. I
was like, well, that's really cool, that's really nice. So
I went down and he actually met me outside the
press box and so I'm I go out to meet
the guy and his buddy has a plastic bag filled
with no less than fifteen bobbleheads night and I'm like,
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what are you doing? And the guy had purchased all
these extra tickets because he's a collector, and I guess
he was going to sell them. And I don't even
remember whose bobblehead it was that night. I don't even remember.
It was some obviously somebody for the Dodgers, but oh no,
you know it was Tommy thesorda ring replica ring, World Series,
replica ring. The Oriols got into that, the replica ring thing.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
No, that's probably down the line, but it's marketing genius.
And I'm just still wondering how you, as a member
of the media, were able to get the bobble at
because traditionally the teams give those out ahead of the night,
maybe to the media to put.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Out on social media and promote, but usually.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
The night of the event, the media doesn't get a handout.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
No, no, well, the Dodgers have usually done the night of.
They'll pass it out, it'll ask you if you want
one or not. You don't have to take it, but
most people take it. And so, yeah, they usually do
it the night of. But yeah, it would make more
sense to do it the day before. Yeah, just so
you can promote it.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
But the Dodgers obviously don't feel like the Orioles do
they need that promotion.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
The Dodgers probably don't feel they need that. Well, you
got to let the Orioles know, Jerry, they're missing out here.
They can have like earl Weaver ring replica. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
People love that they're proctually kind of cool. Actually the
replica rings are not They're not of the crap. People
get a ballparks of this stuff to give away. Pretty good.
The whole bobblehead thing. I'd love to go to China.
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We should do a documentary, mean you, Jerry. We'll go
to China to a factory in China where they make
the bobbleheads for all the different teams and whatnot, and
we'll just go to the factory and see it's how
the process is made. How do they make the hot dogs?
Who'll go in there and just to check it out.
It must be fascinating cause when I was younger and
in Jerry, you remember, all the bobbleheads were exactly the same. Yes,
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there was no difference. It was all just generic. There
was the generic white guy, generic black guy bibblehead and
that was it. And there's no no bells and whistles.
And I think there was one, maybe it was the
maybe it was the Orioles one. And the old bobbleheads
they had like the bird. You remember they had the bird.
There's been there's been talking bobbleheads.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
The late great Chuck Thompson used to call Orioles baseball
had a talking bobblehead. I think Joe Angel at one
point did as well. So they've come up with different
unique ideas. And yeah, they've used the bird and the
bobbleheads as well.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
The disappointing thing for me, and uh, really unnerving thing
is twice now my brother, who's just maybe a year
younger than me or two, has asked me to get
a bobblehead for him. And he's got a kid, he's
got a daughter, my niece who's ten. Yeah, And I
said is it for her? And he said, no, it's
for me. And I said, you're fifty four years old
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you really need Are you serious? You want an Adlie
Rushman Captain America bobblehead? The hell are you going to
do with that?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Well, the Dodgers actually one of their promotions this year, Jerry,
this is this is next level a lebron Dodgers bobblehead there.
That's ridiculous as the ultimate chill. Well, not only that,
I think another one they did. I might be wrong
in this. The USC quarterback Caleb Williams, who is supposed
to be the number one pick in next year's NFL draft,
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the Heisman guy from usc They also did some promotion
where he's getting a bobblehead.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Well, I'm sure he's also getting some money too via
nil because that sounds like a money maker for him
as well.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
If I'm him, you know I want a piece of
the pie. Yeah, no, no, sure, we need to get
in on that. We need podcasting and we need radio
nil deals, name image, likeness deals. Isn't there a Ben
Maller bobblehead out there somewhere? No, No, I wish there was.
That would be really cool. I would love that, but
there's no.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Well, once we locate that shop in China, we can
ask them politely and I'm sure they will to configure one.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
We can get fifty thousand of them made for about
seven dollars and shipping would be rather high. That would
be rather crazy. So I wanted to spend a couple
of mis because me and me and Jerry we have
something in common. We both spend a lot of time
as a radio stringer, which is no longer a position.
It is a job that does not exist except there's
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like one person in every city that does it, but
there used to be a bunch of people in every
city that would do it, every big league city, And
that's how I kind of got started. I worked at
a station in San Diego. They hired me. My first
paying gig other than being a boardop for San Diego
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State basketball, which was a disaster, was to be a
stringer to go to games. And you did that for
many years. That's how we actually got to know each other, Jerry,
when you were the stringer in Baltimore for all the
Orioles and Ravens games and used to call in to
Fox Sports Radio in the very early days of Fox
Sports Radio, back in the old days. So we've lived
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a similar life, and people have asked me, it's like, hey,
you know, you tell some more stories about those days.
What was it like and all that? And I've told
a few of them. We can't tell all of them.
But some of my favorite memories were actually the craziness
of getting kicked out of locker rooms. Were you ever
kicked out of locker rooms? Dree, do you get booted out?
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Of course I was thrown out of the Mets locker room.
But not because of you know, anything I did as
a stringer. It's because I decided to sit down on
a chair in a chair because I was waiting for
Mike Piazza to come out for about thirty minutes. And
Jay Horwitz, who has been the longtime PR guy there,
didn't like the fact that I'm sitting down at a
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card table, asked me to get up, and I said,
do you mind getting Mike Piazza, Like I've asked four times?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
He told me to get up. I didn't get up.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Then he tried to kick me out and that started
a confrontation in the visiting clubhouse at Camden Yards, and
all of a sudden, Mike Pias and the rest of
the Mets show up because they were all hiding like
cowards in the lounge or the food room, so they
weren't by their lockers, and they chased me out of
the locker room. And I just remember the Oriols PR
director like fifteen minutes later on the field said what
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the hell just happened inside the Mets locker room?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And I said, there are a bunch of a holes.
So that was story.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
But as far as stringing in the press box, there
have been a few incidents with me involving that maybe
noise level or trying to use a phone that didn't
belong to me. So I mean there's been episode. I
was a stringer once in Cuba. Then when the Orioles
played against the Cuban national team back in nineteen ninety nine,
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I was doing some stringing work for the Four Letter
Network and for Fox and other outlets, and I didn't
have a dedicated phone, but I remember after the game
was over there were all these payphones landline phones that
were set up, and I used the Associated Press's phone.
I guess I can say it now statute of limitations
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is run out.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
But not only did.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I call all the networks and found my reports, I
think I called everyone I knew back in Baltimore as
well that day from Havana, just to check in and
let them know everything was going fine.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
But I do remember the first couple of.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Years where the Ravens were in Baltimore and I was,
you know, the guy to go to for a lot
of the networks, and I was using a phone that
didn't belong to me either. And not only that, but
I was extra loud, so the Ravens ass that I used,
and this was an outdated reference something called a payphone
that was on the wall in the back of the
press box. So I was relegated to a payphone for
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several years in the mid nineties as you were growing up.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, yeah, of course. Now I also have a J.
Horowitz story. I got kicked out of the main press
box at Chase Stadium by J Horowitz because one of
the Mets beat writers got upset that I was there.
Because there's a class system, at least back then. I
don't know if this is still a thing in the
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New York media now. I was traveling with the Dodgers
at the time, so I was part of the you know,
I was hanging I would always kind of hang out
with the beat writers and because I knew them and
they every city they'd go to, so I was hanging
out with them. But there's two different press boxes. There's
like the the adults press box for the for the
newspaper writers. Back then this newspapers mattered. Now they don't matter,
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but back then they mattered. It was a big deal.
And so they had that. And then in New York,
the radio guys had their own separate They were relegated
to a little box down down the hall from the
main press box. And I didn't know that. And so
one of the Mets beat writers, this jerk, this schmuck
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who I think moved to Japan to cover baseball. I
believe that's what happened. But anyway, this guy got upset
with me. He went to Horowitz and then Jay came
up to me. You got you gotta You're not allowed
to be no radio guys can be here. You gotta
go down to the to the other booth. And so
I went down with my tail between my legs and
I walked down to where all the radio guys were.
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But the good news about that, though, Jerry is I
spent the night that night. I sat next to Joe Beningo,
who was Yeah, I hung out with him for most
of that game, who had a long career. He was
a caller to WFA and then became a host YEP.
And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
I think he's back. I think he retired and then
he came back. If I don't know, I believe he
is back. I believe he is back. I didn't realize
there was a tear system. I was never around that.
I do remember the radio people being seated far away
and far behind the print people when they were important
back in the day. But I also remember the fact that,
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you know, the print people never appreciated the live voice
are going on behind them.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
You know, Ben, Right.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Now, it's second and ten for the Ravens are at
the Raiders thirty four yard line. Ray Lewis has left
the game due to an accusation of murder or something
like that. And you know, all these heads turn around, like,
who's this guy talking in the back of the press box.
And I've done that in Washington, I did it in Baltimore,
and then really I came to learn the only reason
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that stuff existed was for gamble that's who was paying
attention to the updates that we were providing. To be
honest with you, it was really and there was a
thing called sports Phone in New York that you're aware of.
Probably there was also something called the NBA Hotline that
I would call and foul reports for and that was
also for gamblers as well. And now it's just not
needed because of social media and everything so instantaneous.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Well, that was the whole origin of twenty four hour
sports radio. As you know, it's WFN the updates were
for the West Coast games, so the gamblers in New
York that wanted to get an update on the Giants
game or the Padres game, and back in the oldest
you had to wait for the newspaper. But if you're
on the East Coast, nothing would pop out of the
you know, you'd have to wait a couple days because
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it wouldn't be in the newspaper. The late West Coast
games and all that. So it's a different, different time
as far as getting kicked out of locker rooms, though
I'll tell one one story. There's a couple of them.
The most famous was the Arizona Diamondbacks, and there was
a beanball battle betwe the Dodgers and the Diamondbacks, and
they were clearly throwing at each other, and I had
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to get some sound from the diamondback side. And the
Dodgers had a pitcher named Chanho Park who was throwing
at the Diamondbacks, and I forget the Diamondbacks pitcher, he
was throwing at the Dodgers anyway. Matt Williams a very
surly guy who played third base for a long time
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with mostly the Giants, but he played for the Indians.
They were called the Indians then and the Diamondbacks. So
I was in the locker room. I was asking him
questions about what was going on, and the first time
he kind of blew me off. He didn't address it.
So then I asked again. He gave me something, but
not what I needed. As you know, Jerry, you had
to get about fifteen seconds roughly of good audience. That's
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the perfect sound bite, fifteen seconds. You don't want it
to be too long, but you don't want it to
be too short. So I asked the third time, and
then he snapped at me. He went delirious and said,
knock it off, get out of here, and he stood out.
He was drinking a beer at his locker and he
stood up and and got very upset with me, and
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it was disturbed at my line of questioning seemed a
little unstable. And then a bunch of people who I
don't even know who they were came over to me
and said I had to leave, that I had to
get it now.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Most importantly, though, BEN were able to record all that,
because that's audio gold.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yes, yes, and it got played for years because I
I was doing a local show at the time as well,
and so I made sure to play that here's a
major League baseball player off of his rocker, and here
you go. And also speaking of that, speaking of off
the rocker, the late Tony Phillips. Did you ever deal
with Tony back in the day.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah, he was a hothead. I stayed away from him.
Same thing with Albert Bell and Delman Young, guys I
had to deal with.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, there haven't been.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yeah, I was never thrown out, but there were There
have been a lot of encounters inside locker rooms with
myself and athletes, whether it be Delman Young who didn't
understand why I was approaching him after he had hit
a game winning three run homer, because he said I
hadn't approached him, you know, all year long, when he
had done nothing at the plate. So yeah, when you
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had the game winning home run, That's kind of the
way it works in the major leagues. People do want
to hear what you have to say when you know
your bat decides the game.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
There was an episode with the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
You may remember the former Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith, who.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Had a very very brief NFL career and was a
total jerk.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
The Ravens used to play something on Fridays called media Dodgeball,
and they thought it would be fun to turn out
the lights in the locker room and they would throw
a football around and one player would lob it to
another player.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
They turn the lights on and off, and.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
The other player would be standing behind you and they
would catch the football right over your head and don't
get right on your head. So I'm not a big guy,
and I remember there was a guy named Tom Zavikowski
who lobbed it over to Troy Smith.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Troy slammed the football on my head.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
I went down like Tim Anderson, and my head hit
the floor and I was seeing stars for like thirty seconds.
I wasn't out, but I'm just staring up and all
I remember it was like a scene out of a movie.
It was like Troy Smith, Joe Flacco, Terrell Suggs, all
these guys are.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Looking on Coleman.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
You all right, you are right now. Let's just say
that was the end of media Dodgeball. It was also
the end of Troy Smith being a jerk to me,
because I think he was worried that I may sue him,
and I probably should have wore a neck brace the
next day to the locker room. But after that, he
couldn't have been nicer and that was the end of
media dodgeball.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
So there's been incidents like that.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
There was an incident where Raven tried to block me
from going to a certain part of the locker room
because he told me that area was prohibited, and I said,
I've been covering the team since you were in high school.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Get out of my way, and we got into it.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
The PR guy didn't ask me to leave, but asked
me not to pursue that person down in that corner
of the locker room. And the player's name still plays
with Raven, this guy Tias Bowser. We've had no communications since.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Wow, all right, and yeah, I like how certain areas
are completely awful limit even though they're like public areas
of the clubhouse. In the locker room, you're like, you're
not supposed to go a tallowed ground, you can't go
over there. Did you ever get the joy of you
mentioned waiting for Mike Piazza. I spent many a night
waiting for Barry Bonds to shower, and a couple of
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times Barry never came out of the shower. He snuck
out the back and would have the clubhouse, guy go
get his clothes. And so that's how much he loathed
talking to the media. Real fun guy. And I love
that Barry's now trying to change his reputation a little bit,
like he thinks he's got this Hill Mary chance and
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maybe he will get in the Hall of Fame. He
probably should be in the Hall of Fame. But he's
a total dick and he was He's treated people like
shit when he played back in the day, and so
Bonds is like trying to change things up. But I'm like, no,
I remember that. No, you were you know you're not.
You're not rewriting history here, Barry. You were terrible. But
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you mentioned Albert Belts. You just didn't even bother talking
to Albert. You just stayed when he was with the Orioles.
You just stayed away from No.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
In fact, there was a new policy that was started
during spring training.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
They used to let the.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Media go into the locker room during spring training games
to interview players before they left. As you know, a
lot of these players would leave in the third or
fourth inning. So the story goes, we were inside the
Orioles locker room.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
It was in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I forgot who the player was, but we were speaking
to him and Albert Belt came in into a temper
tantrum and took a bat to a locker and just
smashed it up the pieces and we all looked around,
like you know, everyone was like, well, I guess we're
not going to talk about that. But the guy from
the AP, who's a good friend of mine still and
I played that as with them, says no, I got
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a call New York to see, you know, if I
should write about this, and we're like, eh, do you
have to?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And he's like, yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
So he called New York and they said yes, said
it was written about and after that, no one was
allowed inside the locker room until and that's still the
Orioles policy.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
No one's allowed inside the locker room during the games.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
As far as a player, that would make me wait,
it's a guy who, unlike Barry Bonds, is in the
Hall of Fame, but like Barry Bonds, was a bit
of a douchebag. And that was Mike Musina, and Musina
was infamous for making the media weight. I'll never forget
what someone said to him, Hey, Mike, can I just
ask you one question, and he turned around and said,
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you just did. But he also was infamous for coming
out while the media was waiting around his locker and
you know, we thought he was ready to talk. Instead
he would grab his toothbrush and his toothpaste it's a
detal floss, and go back into the you know, into
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the locker room bathroom area, take about fifteen minutes, come
back out, then brush his hair, keep his back to
us and all that, and finally turn around, after like
a twenty twenty five minute wait, finally get a few
small quotes from this guy who didn't speak in long sentences,
so he was pretty jerky. That stood out more than anyone.
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Cal Ripkin took a long time to come out after
games as well, but that was deserved a little bit
more because you know, it was Cal Ripken. But Mike,
you've seen it was really a pain in the neck
to deal with. And so was the former picture named
Eric Badard, who actually got traded away for Adam Jones.
But Bdard was a total jerk and didn't like speaking
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to the media at all wherever he went, and now
is out of baseball after collecting a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, well, all of them made a ton of money.
Good for them, and we're the Dodo birds that sat
there and waited for them to talk to bless us
with a few words here. So, Jerry, now you're getting
this season in the NFL. You've got the Odell Beckham
experience coming to Baltimore. Here are you excited about that?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Dealing with Odell during the season there is I'm predicting
right now, he's going to be a problem. I'm saying
it right now, And I know the team has embraced them,
they love them. I think it was a panic move
by the Ravens to go out and pay him fifteen
million when no one else was going to sign him for.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
That kind of money.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
But at the time when they signed him, if you
looked at their list of wide receivers was basically Rashod
baven Since then, they've drafted this kid's eve Flowers out
of Florida and added guys like Nelson Aguilar and we'll
see how he works. Marcus Peters is no longer a
part of the Ravens. You couldn't have both of those
personalities and the same lockram In my opinion, even though
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John Harbaugh has been around sixteen years now. I just
don't think, you know, he's strong enough to maintain those personalities.
But Beckham is going to be interesting because he has
a tendency, as you know, to wear out is welcome.
His dad is notorious for leaking stories, and I can
see a scenario where he's just not getting the ball
enough from you know, Lamar Jackson to his liking, where
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he causes an uproar if things go sour. So we
will see how it plays out. But right now, he's
a megastar in Baltimore. I went to one of his
football camps where he was charging kids two hundred and
seventy five dollars apiece just to come out there, and
you know, he would throw the football to him. They
spent five hours out there with them, God bless them,
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made a killing. And at a Raven's training camp, he's
been a hit every day with the fans that are
allowed out there. They don't allow the unwashed out at
training camp. You have to be like a season ticket
holder or a sponsor to attend that. But the city
is in love with him as of now. We'll see
how it develops.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, he's a star. He played well for the Rams
but he was only with the Rams for half the season,
and then he was gonna be the MVP of the
Super Bowl the way that game started, and then he
went snap, crackle, pop, and that was it. And as
far as Lamar Jackson is concerned, Jerry, we both thought
he wasn't going to get paid. I think you were
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in agreement here where you were, Oh yeah, you were
out that the Ravens were not going to give him
the money. They did give him the money. Lamar did
not play particularly well last season. As the season progressed,
his numbers did not live up to the name, the
MVP name of Lamar Jackson. So what happens now that
he's gotten paid, Well, all the pressure in the world,
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there's no more excuses. All the pressure in the world
is on him. He's won one playoff game.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
They're gonna Seriously, the expectation is if this team doesn't
get to the AFC Championship, then it's a failed season.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
So they have Super Bowl aspiration.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Obviously, they've gone out and made some acquisitions to try
and bolster their offense. They think their defense is going
to be pretty solid. It's going to come down I
think to them in the Bengals. They probably the Steelers
to a degree, but mostly the Bengals in that division.
And the owner of the team, Steve Ashanti, is a
big fan and he wants to see this team back
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in the playoffs, you know, I mean last year they
had a chance. But Lamar, as you mentioned, hasn't been
the same really since his MVP season. He's been in
decline in my opinion, and he's also been hurt an
awful lot. But Steve finally decided to pay him when
a lot of people thought they were going to wait
one more year, but it would just lead to a
lot of acrimony. So they bit the pullet and they
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paid the guy. And hopefully it doesn't go the way
that it went for Joe Flacco, where once he got paid,
he went into the tank.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, exactly. Now, as far as you're a podcast for
those you want to hear more of Jerry, you're a
radio vetteror but you've moved to the podcast based Jerry.
You've got very popular podcast, as you mentioned with Adam Jones.
How can people find that? I assume everywhere, anywhere and everywhere,
and you want it's mostly Baltimore, right, You're mostly talking
about the Orioles in Baltimore sports. But you cover a
(36:12):
little bit everything, don't you.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
We do go national. We've had some you know, national guests.
I mean most of the most of the people do
have ties to Baltimore or ask them something about Baltimore.
But Ken Griffy Junior, Barry Levinson, you know people who
are national names have been on before. But also you know,
Buck Showalter, Brandon Hide, John Harbaugh. You can find it
the same place you're listening to this podcast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I would presume we're also on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
We like to show our faces, Ben, I know you
don't do that typically on your podcast. We have we
have great sponsors which helped flip the bills. We have
a great media partner which helps pay the bill. And
it's been very fun doing this thing with a guy
who has you know, been around the world. He's living
in Barcelona, Spain. I'm talking about Adam Owns, who was
(37:00):
a former five time All Star and now looks to
get maybe a little bit into the broadcasting world.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
He's dipping his toe in it.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
It's been interesting in developing that with him and trying
to let him know that it's okay to criticize these
guys every once in a while, even though at times
he's reluctant. I'm trying to let him know that that
helps the podcast if he's a little bit critical.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
But he does have to walk a little bit of
a fine line. I don't I don't care. Now it's
two words, tough love. Tough love. Yep, Well that's the
the key.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, I'm not going to sugarcoat it for anyone. If
the team's going bad, I'm going to let him know
if we have a player or a guest on. I mean,
you know, Jim Palmer was on This is On this week,
and Jim and I did have a little bit of
a falling out at one point when I broke a
story where he was quoted as saying that he thought
Brady Anderson you steroids that year he had fifty home runs,
(37:53):
and he claimed that I had doctored the tape and
all that in a story to the Washington Post. Now,
I didn't bring that up during the interview with Palmer
just because things were going so smoothly, but it was
in the back of my mind, and I know if
I would have brought it up, it would have just
caused a lot of consternation between Adam and myself and
probably Palmer and myself, which I really don't need at
(38:15):
this point. So it was over what fifteen years ago
when Brady Anderson hit fifty home runs, So I've sort
of let that go, but I'll never forget that.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Jim Palmer accused me of doctoring the.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Tape from an interview he did with him about where
he made the accusation.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Were you in there with the razor blades, like splicing
the tape up to make it seem like he said
something he didn't say, Jerry, were you doing something? It's
funny because I used that type of terminology.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I was like, that was the only time I ever
had displice tape was going to college once, Ethica College,
where I learned that. Never did that at the professional level,
Never had to do that at the professional level, just
in college with the razor blade.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
But I'm not that talented. Yeah no, And I learned too.
I learned how to do the razor blade editing in
the early archaic days of radio, and then about a
year into my career everything went digital and I was like, ah,
that's all I wasted my time learning how to slice
the real guests. I'll never use that skill. All right,
(39:15):
We'll leave it there, Jerry, thank you again. You're on
with Adam Jones. That podcast available and it's just the
is it the Adam Jones podcast? Is that?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah, we put his name on there because of anything
inflammatory or you know, anything that goes viral. As said,
it comes back to him and not me.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
I got you. That makes total sense. You're devoid of liability,
you have a plot.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
We just yeah, it was strategic in using his name
in that fashion. A lot of people are like, wellwcome,
you're not included, and I said, I'm okay with that.
If you watch or listen to the podcast, I'm the
dominant voice song there. I mean, he's he's the star
of the show, but I'm the host and the guy
that you see in here probably the most.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
So I'm okay with that. Nice. Nice all right, Well,
thank you, Jerry. We'll catch you on again. We'll put
you on here at some point again. Thank you man,
thanks for having me. Ben
Host
Ben Maller
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