December 18, 2020 • 33 mins
Back from an entertaining trip to D.C., friend of the show, Dave Rubin joins the guys to share his thoughts on a theatrical 2020. He spent some time mixing it up recently with a few political pundits in our nation's capitol and elaborated on that before giving his opinion on election fraud, presidential terms, and his overall feeling of politics in our every day life.
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political hour, political hour on the fifth hour, but we
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are joined yet again by David Gascon. Not Gascon. Gascon,
you believe in fighting crime, unlike the other guy who's
got a very similar name to you. Yeah, I feel like, uh, yeah,
the pronunciation is one thing, and uh and the revolt
to the correct resistance is another. And uh. I feel
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like where we're at right now is just luny tunes.
But I digress as I get my hands ripe and ready,
because I am preparing this lovely Friday morning for Benny
versus a penny tonight. We got a lot of things
on the menu today. We do have a lot going
on here, and it's good. The year winding down and uh,
you know the thing with your name and the new
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district attorney in Los Angeles. It reminds me one of
my great, big, biggest supporters in Michigan was a guy
who had a goofy nickname and he used to call
the show. In fact, he was one of the originators
of the Mallard militia and the guy came up with
he stopped listening years ago because it's a long story,
it's a long, convoluted story. But he was a huge
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fan and his nickname on air was Johanna John. Alright,
I remember him, Yeah, yeah, and it was a great nickname.
It was fun, you know whatever. And then the whole
Middle Eastern terrorism thing took over. And then if you
remember about maybe twelve ten, twelve years ago, I forget
your time. All is just I don't even know. I
can't even tell you when, but it was within the
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last fifteen years or so, and I think it was
closer to last ten. Um there was a terrorist that
was doing horrific things and they the media tagged him
Johadas John. So we had to change we had to
change the name of the harmless sports radio caller Johadas
John because some lunatic was going around, you know, chopping
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people's heads off in the Middle East, and it happened
that the media dubbed him with the same name. Yeah, yeah,
I didn't think I would be telling that story today,
but now and every time I see the name of
Gascone and it just is people pronounce it Gascon though
they don't. They don't pronounce it gascon. They pronounce it's
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pronounce it guest gun. So anyway, this is a political hour.
If you're not in the politics, I get it. And
it's fine. You don't have to listen, you know, give
you a mulligan. You can give us a mulligan if
you want. But I'm interested. There's a lot going on.
You don't have to just stick to sports on a podcast.
And so this is guy we've had on before political
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put it Dave Ruben. We're both big fans of Dave Reuben.
He's got a big talk show about free speech, the
Reuben Report, he's got the he's all over social media.
He's on the political shows on Fox News and news
Max and a bunch of the channels there. He's got
a book out, don't burn the book. And so we're
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just gonna try to get the lay of the land
here at Guesscon from someone who's in in the ring,
fighting the political fight day after day, and this is
his world. I I just kind of peek in, you know,
I'm a sporty guy. I just I I'm into politics,
but I'm not like hardcore into it. We're all maybe
I'll check it out after the show. I might see
what's what happened the last twenty four hours in the
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political world. But this guy is right there getting his
hands dirty day after day. When you think about some
of the world's greatest creations, Um, it's one thing to
have something that really changes the world. But can you
think of an item just off the top of your
head that was created and you just thought that thing
is so stupid but so useful. I wish I would
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have created that. Oh god, everything, I'm like, yeah, everything,
anything I see said, why didn't I think of that?
That's how you know obviously. So it's so if I
were to rewind your life back ten years and I said,
hey Ben West of the four or five guests, g No.
But I'm saying, if I was to rewind your life
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back ten years and I said, hey Ben, you could
you can be really successful and really maximize your potential
and making money by creating a show that talked about
free speech, would you have been like, what the funk
are you talking about? Or would you would you thought
something must have happened in the world, Because that's in
the sense what Dave is doing right, He's talking acknowledging
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about free speech, your ability as an individual to act
on your own accord and do the things that you
want to do. And nowadays it's almost polarizing for him
to say that because we need to con form, we
need to be in line. Right Yeah, yeah, well, I
mean listen, the thing about Ruben which is good, I mean,
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thing I really like about him. He's very smooth on
his delivery and his approach. I mean, it's it's taking
the DMV handbook and making it seem simple. You know,
it's that's that's a skill. That's an art that not
many people have the ability to do. Anybody can talk
about sports or politics, but the communication aspect of it
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is the part where he's just just wonderful at that,
in in the delivery, the whole thing. He's so good
at it. And someone that we work in the media business,
so you when you find people like that, you're like, well,
this is great, this is this is wonderful. Let's give
me more, give me more, give me more. Now, keep
in mind, I mean, I know we're gonna get some people.
Oh I can't believe you had Ruben on. He's a hack,
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you know, and they're gonna there's gonna be those people that, uh,
we gonna they just go go crazy over this kind
of stuff. But we're fans of him and we've had
him on before, and so I'm excited. I figure with
all that's going on, and the the inauguration day is January.
It's a Wednesday, and so that's like pretty much a
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month away. Right, We're looking about a month away from
having a president sworn in, unless that somehow gets delayed,
which I don't think it will. But so anyway, why
don't we want to bring him in right now? Yes,
all right, let's bring in now the host of the
Reuben Report. We just said, Dave Reuben joining us, And
so Dave, why don't we start with that. We'll piggyback
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off what we were just talking about. Here. Is the
election over, Well, I'm not convinced that the election is
completely over. I mean, there are still a couple of
things working through the courts at the moment. And you know,
Sidney Powell, who is a respected lawyer, it's harder for
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me to believe that she has completely decided to self
emolate and destroy her personal life and career in the
name of this thing. Now, that doesn't mean, she really
has something and she's got a crazy case to prove
here that these dominion machines were switching votes and flipping
votes and eliminating votes on top of a couple of
the other things that are going on with mail and
ballance and everything else. But I will say this, and
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this is why I'm sort of a little bullish on
the Trump situation at the moment, at least relative to
the mainstream people, which is that over the four years
that we had the Trump presidency, uh was with us,
he basically beat everybody every single time. So was he
not ready for the final boss of the video game?
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Was he not ready knowing that they might try some
crazy stuff with voting machines and the rest of it.
I suspect he's got something left in his pocket. But
maybe I'm wrong. And if I am wrong and against
to the end of it and the courts don't get
anywhere and bidens the president, I'm okay being in the
opposition that there, right. Yeah, And if you we've all
seen the video, So I don't know if we've all
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seen it, because I guess depending on where you get
your to you you haven't. As far as the election
and some of the stuff that went on there. Uh,
is this every election? Is this unique? Or is this
I'm trying to wrap my mind about because I know
in the last twenty years, with these big presidential elections,
there's always been something that people have complained about. Is
this just the way that elections are run or is
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it extra extreme this year? Yeah, that's a million dollar question,
right because you know, we didn't have the internet the
way we have it now. We didn't have the ability
for videos to go viral, and for electors and people
that were watching the ballot boxes and the rest of it,
for them to be able to take videos on their phone.
And now we see all these strange, shady things happening,
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and you can see videos of people pressing different touch
screens where it appears mozart flipping. Look, every every election
in the history of the world beyond America has some
level of fraud. Obviously, there's no such thing as a
perfect system. Human meanings are not perfect. We cannot create
perfect systems, So you have to acknowledge that a certain
amount of fraud is built in. Is it possible as
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we shift more to digital and more towards mail in
ballots that we're basically, uh, causing a breeding ground for
more and more fraud to take place. It seems like yes.
And then when you compound it with the fact that
social media exists, so now we can all see it.
You know, it's one thing if there's a certain level
of fraud and we can't see it, But then you
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just go on with your life. Now you start seeing
stuff and then you go, oh, wow, is this the
first time this has happened? Or am I just seeing
it for the first time. But I think the bigger
thing that that fits all of that is that we're
basically in a reality war, because depending on what news
you watch and who you follow on Twitter, you could
think that this thing was totally stolen or you could
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think it's totally legit right now, and you'd both be
living on the same planet Earth, but you would both
be living in a very different, uh sense of reality.
It's the Twilight Zone, Dave. Everyone's got there all mentioned
in the Twilight somebody. As far as the just in general,
I mean, you cover this stuff all the time. You're
a political pun and as you dig uh, and so
if you look at the election objectively, it's such a
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large country Democrats and Republicans can't agree about anything. So
if you were to say, let's have election reform, how
would you possibly get these sides to agree on anything. Yeah,
that's the fundamental issue. These sides not only disagree on everything,
but they have a very fundamentally um opposite view of
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what America is. I mean, trying to write my mind
about it. I mean, he's gonna hire a bunch of
Google and Facebook people for different roles there. What do
you think that's all about. Oh yeah, they're doing it already.
They've they've announced they've got a whole bunch of Facebook
com people and Google Comms people that they're already bringing
into the administration. So one of the irty is that Trump,
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in many ways was the last thing fighting big tech.
In other words, big tech knew they couldn't go too
overboard with Fannings and the rest of it because Trump
was there and maybe he was going to do something
with an executive action and start taking legal action and
try to break them up in the rest of it.
If Trump's gone, well, congratulations, You've got the political elite
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and the and the tech elite all on the same side.
And why would they allow for dissenting voices. Why would
they allow people they don't like and deem scary and
who are maybe against lockdowns or whatever it might be.
Why would they let them on their platforms if they've
run around and labeled all these people nachies and biggots
and the rest of it. So I think if you
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thought was weird, is going to just be completely bananas.
Do you believe that Donald Trump will be banned from
Twitter once he's no longer president? Are they going to
kick him off there? I think it's possible, but you know,
it's one of those things where you go ahead and
do that and then you're pulling like an obi wan.
You know, if you strike me down, I'll become more powerful,
then you can possibly imagine. So I think they'd have
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to be careful what they wish for um, but I
wouldn't put any anything past them. I mean, if they
really want to make it seem like this, this movement,
whatever you want to call it, that this thing is
radical and should not be tolerated and should not be
mainstreamed or normalized, which is really what they wanted all along,
well then you would go ahead and get rid of Trump.
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But I don't think that weakened him. I think it
probably strengthened him, Dave. You know, there's certain thoughts that
I know, Ben and I have talked about when you
arrive in certain cities like the Big Apple and you
get to New York or are you gonna go to Boston.
There's just that that fuel and that energy. Even going
to Sense City is different because you see those lights
from the luxur l and they shoot up and you
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get that that rush of let's go gamble, let's go party.
And New York's got that different beasts as well. But
you were in DC recently, just a few weeks ago,
just a week ago. Um, what was your feeling like
when you landed? And how is the overall trip? Give
us the skinny on it. Yeah. Well, first, I gotta
say I love d C. I mean, you know, for
all the complaining that anyone can do about politics, I
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love the history of this country. I love those monuments.
I love going to the museums. I love the learning
about our founders and all of that stuff. I've been
there dozens and dozens of time. At times it never
gets old to me. But I gotta tell you this time,
it was seriously depressing. I mean, there was nobody out
on the streets. I posted a periscope video just walking
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around the streets, and quite literally all I saw were
homeless people. That's it. I mean, I actually, at one
point I did see three guys. Turns out that they
were fans of mine, so that so that was fun.
But there were just no people out there. There's no tourists.
Everything's closed. You know. At one point I was trying
to find something for lunch. Couldn't even find a place
that was open. And you know that that we've allowed
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our cities to become waste lands in essence is very dangerous.
It's very scary, and unfortunately, I don't think it's going away. Well,
and then also I saw you, uh I think you
put posted this. You were talking about cal Fornia. Obviously,
Are you leaving California like everyone else they were? You
gonna stay in California? Are You're gonna head to Nashville
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or Austin or somewhere else? Well, for the record, if
I if I do leave, I sense I'm more of
a Florida guy. I'm more of a beach guy than
a than a Texas guy. But I'm trying to fight
this thing from here. You know, if if we're really
at the point where nobody can live in a state
that they don't fully agree with their politics, and then
then in many ways the American experiment has failed. And
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I'm not quite there yet. So I'm willing to pay
the high taxes for a little bit longer, but you know,
at some point the rubber meets the road. At the
very least to Dave, because I can't defend Ben in
this capacity, but at least in your downtime you know
how to cook a steak. Vans not doing it so much,
but at least you're doing it. Yeah, he loves let
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me tell you, Dave. The other Dave here, Guscan loves
when you post food pictures. That is you know, you
think you're known as the political guy, but when you
post food pictures, that is what he really that resonates
with him. So listen, I people love the food pictures.
And you know, I got a I got a pretty
sweet built in grill here, and I'm doing all kinds
of you know, bone in ribs and try tips and
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all kinds of all kinds of fun stuff. And you know,
partly what I've been saying all along, during lockdown is
some people went into lockdown and they're coming out even
though we're not quite out of it, they're coming out worse.
You know, they gained weight, they just were depressed. They
play video games and watched port all day. Or you
could come out of lockdown and be a little bit better.
Maybe maybe you learn to cook, or you learn to
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play an instrument, or you started exercising more of the
rest of it. I've tried to mostly be on the
ladder side of that, so people do love the food
picks and hopefully I've got a couple other people doing
some of that stuff to themselves. Well, let see, Dave.
The backstory with all this is that Ben had a
birthday here and uh, I was back in April. It
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was back in April, and I bought the dude a
Tomahawks steak nicely, nicely rap ready for for a barbecue,
and and he promised me that he would eventually barbecue
when the weather appropriated it. Um. We live in southern California,
so it should have been at any time. And to
this day, to this day, it's got freezer burns on it. No,
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just not have I'm waiting. I'm waiting for the perfect
moment here to cook the steak. The steak isn't a
climate control the freezer. It's going to be fine. Oh listen,
If that thing has freezer burnt on it, that is
a damn shame because there's not been better than a good,
better than a good all right? Yuh? And now, David,
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as far as the I would go back to California,
I'm obsessed here. I I am so frustrated with the
politics in California, coming from the governor on down. And
we do I do a sports radio show. We do
sports radio during the week, and it's you know, I
know this is a little microcosm of just the world,
but you watch different games in like Florida, or there
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was a Monday night game in Cleveland this week where
they actually had fans, and then you've got in California.
The forty Niners have to leave the state because of
some politicians in in that area and you know, no
fans allowed. It's it's just so crazy how they operate here.
And the governor with the whole French laundry thing. Do
you think there's a chance here that people might actually
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wake up in California? The people that are left here
and say what are we doing and let's change some
of these politicians around. You know, one of the strange
things about California, and I moved here after living in
New York my whole life is that if you talk
to anybody in California, they tell you that the whole
place is mismanaged. They're like, the taxes are high, the
roads suck a lot of homeless people, I'm seeing more
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drug use in my community, schools are terrible, blah blah blah.
And yet they seem unable to connect that to the
fact that they always vote Democrat and that work Democrat
run state. So you know, you'll see something like people
will be saying, Okay, well California, the education system here
is terrible, and then they'll be blaming Trump or blaming
the Republicans, and it's like, no, they don't have any
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thing to do with any of this. So so somehow
making the connection between oh, I vote for high tax
people that then put in policies that destroy small businesses,
like making that connection seems very hard for California. But
I will say this, I've met a ton of people
over the last few months who are a political who
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you know, maybe ran a business or a restaurant, whatever
it is, and that are suddenly going, WHOA, I didn't
even realize what I was voting for. So I do
think there's an awakening. And you know, I've been pushing
the recall Gavin knew something. We need three thousand signatures
because that guy's an absolute nightmare. Spent fifteen thousand dollars
on booze alone at that dinner at French Laundry, David,
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is there any kind of any kind of emails, direct messages,
any kind of text messages that you get that you think, hey,
well this is we can take a pragmatic approach to
this in California and something that's actually constructive and tangible,
regardless of Gavi Knewsome's recall or not. But there's some
wild things that are going on here, especially here in
Los Angeles with a new district attorney with no relation
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to me. But is there a right right right? You're
sharing the last name of the new guy and up,
I hope you're not related to them. No, no, But
is there anything that you get that you've received from
individuals that you say, like, there's actually something here that
we can we can show off the bone a little
bit and work on I think the main thing is
that it's up to you. You know. I think a
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lot of people think that somehow they're going to vote
in somebody that's going to save them, or the cavalry
is just going to show up one day and turn
this all around. But the simple truth is this is
on us. So every time I see someone that owns
a restaurant, fight back, and we're seeing this more and more.
Every time I see someone just freaking walking down the
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street without a mask and it's okay, you're walking your dog.
It's l a, it's seventy five and Sonny, whatever little
protest you can do in your life. You know, I
work out of my house. I have I have my
staff come here every day. I serve them food. We
sit there and we talk, We we laugh. You know,
these are things that Eric Arsetti wanted us to cancel.
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Eric ARSETI is not my king, and he's not my god,
and unfortunately he is my mayor. But that doesn't give
him dominion over my life. So I think if you
just go out and live your life as you see fit,
and and just because they say something doesn't mean you
have to obey it. That's the greatest thing you can do,
is an American truly. What have you done on the
business side of things with with the studio set up,
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with your staff be Is there anything particularly that you're
working on right now that you're excited about. Yeah, well,
you know, we started doing this daily show. I I
signed on to a three day a week show at
the beginning of the fall, and it was going so
well that we expanded it to five days a week
and I'm still doing the interview shows obviously, and the
numbers have been really good, and you know, people are
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people are interested. I mean, look, the main thing that
I try to do is talk about politics in a
way that will not make you angrier or dumber by
the end, because if you turn on CNN, I mean,
I guarantee you, anyone listening to this, you turn on
CNN for fifteen minutes, you will either be dumber or angrier.
That did. And what I try to do is say, Okay,
there's a lot going on in the world. The world's
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pretty nuts. There's some serious stuff. But here's here's three
or four stories that I think you should kind of
know about. And if you give me twenty minutes, you know,
put it in your head and then and then walk away.
And I think that that's a better way of approaching
the news rather than what most people are doing, which
is just keeping everybody outraged. And politics is not everything.
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It's just not Davis, we wind down and get ready
for one any prediction on when things might actually return
to normal as far as general rules and regulations, are
we just going to be stuck like this? I saw
Bill Gates said it's not I don't know how Bill
Gates has all the answers, but what's your Bill Gates?
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Bill Gates? This guy. First off, I saw that interview
with Tapper, and it's like Bill Gates lives in a
hundred fifty million dollar mansion in Washington, which has no taxes.
By the way, he always tells you tax the rich
and increased taxes, but he happens to live in a
state with no taxes, a hundred fifty million dollar mansion,
which I don't begrudge him, by the way. You know,
I believe in capitalism, but think about the amount of
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chefs and staff and landscapers and all of the people
that he's got working for him in his little fifed
him And meanwhile, he's telling these other people that you
can't go to work and you can't make a living
and everything else. So you know, these are not great people.
And and then I think we again, we keep sort
of thinking that just because the politician says something, or
because the tech guy says something, that that means they're right.
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But it's just not the case. But as far as
you know, unfortunately, the lockdowns have have been effective at
breaking the American spirit in many ways, and I think
there's a lot of people that want to keep that going.
You know, when Biden tells you, I want a hundred
more days of a of a federal mask man end date,
and people are like, oh, well that makes sense. I mean,
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you know, look, it was ten months ago they were
telling us two weeks to flatten the curve, and now
he's asking us for a hundred more days for masks
in two months from now. None of it makes any sense.
There's no science behind it. Why should rancher in Montana
have to wear a mask in the same way somebody
walking around Times Square in New York City? Ship Dave,
what you mentioned that small businesses being closed down our
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micromage and the larger ones not so much. Who are
some of the reporters that you've looked up to are
looked for with regards to answers and why um or
what they've done to attack or question people in power
that I've tried to trample over individuals rights. O. Man,
that's a great question, and the answer is there are
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not many. There are not many, you know, off the
top of my head, just thinking of a reporter who
I think is doing really good job. I mean, I
think Andy no has done a great job of in portland'
you know, talking about what's going on with Antifa and
some of the unrest that's up there. There aren't that many.
I think the best you can do to stay in
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form is trying to find a couple of people that
can that can kind of filter the news for you
in a way that that as I said before, it
doesn't make you crazy, doesn't make you dumber or angrier.
So that that's what I try to do. There's a
couple of people that I respect in that space. I
think Ben Shapiro does a nice job of it from
a conservative perspective. I think Glenn Beck from a more
libertarian perspective. But you've got to find a small group
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of people that you basically think you can trust and
guess what, they're going to get some stuff wrong along
the way, including me, And and that's not really the
key thing. The key thing is are they are they
doing their best to not manipulate you that that's what
I'm trying to do? That really is it? Yeah? I
mean one that I look at the most is Katherine Herridge.
She came from Fox. Now she's over at CBS, but
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she really lays things out, highlights things on our tweets
and and responds reports accordingly. But it just seems like
when you are in d C and you're you're in
that that melting pots, sometimes you get you get stuck
in all the residue and it just it reeks when
you're when you're reporting the news or at least trying to, well,
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that is what happens. You know, these people that are
the pure creatures of d C. It's like, you know,
politics is not everything. And I think they've tricked a
lot of people. This is what the progressives have done
really well. They've tricked everybody to thinking that politics can
solve all of your problems. But politics cannot make you happy,
politics cannot give you purpose. Politics cannot give you a
(26:30):
reason to wake up in the morning. Politics if if
you're really thinking about it, it's sort of an unnecessary
offshoot of being free, meaning that we're born free and
then you need some structure so that we're not killing
each other. That that pretty much is what politics is.
And I always liken it to Game of Thrones. It's
like Game of Thrones was a constant quest for power,
(26:50):
which is what politics is. The last scene of Game
of Thrones, I hope I'm not blowing it for any everybody,
but the last scene is a bunch of guys sitting
around the table and everyone else that's you know, he
is dead, and they're not that thrilled about it. You know.
It's like that, that's how it ends. Because politics is
about crushing people. I want to free people. So in
a weird way, I'm less interested in politics now than
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I've ever been, which is a bizarre thing as a
as a guy that talks about politics a lot, just
don't ever say bend a knee, all right, exactly exactly. So,
So Dave Well, I want go back to Trump here.
So if he doesn't, if he doesn't pull a rabbit
out of his hat here and he's done for now
as president. What ends up happening? I know there's been
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some reports about the deep state charging him with crimes
and all that, and you think that's actually gonna have mean,
that's kind of been an unwritten rule, right the president.
You don't you don't charge the president. Is what would
Trump be in legal jeopardy? You think, well, I hope not,
because you're right. It would break precedent that I think
would lead us to a seriously dangerous place. Look, every
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administration done some shady stuff. You know. The truth is
that if you if you remove the impeachment that ended
up sailing and in essence was a sham. If you
remove that, Trump didn't have scandals. There were there were
made up media things about leaks and people saying he
eats too much ice cream and his steak well done
and like, you know, some nonsense, but there weren't major
(28:15):
scandals in terms of selling arms illegally to somebody, or
entering a war out of nowhere or the rest of it.
So the idea that they'd go after him for crimes
is pretty dangerous. But what that would ultimately lead to
is Okay, if you guys want to open up that door. Well, congratulations,
you're not always going to be in power. And then
if a Republican comes in after Biden will congratulations, Biden
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will spend his eighties in jail, and and that's just
then we'll basically be of an Ana Republic. So I
really hope that if Trump does not, you know, pull
off this second term somehow, that they don't go that route,
because it would set us down a pass that would
be deeply, deeply dangerous. If Joe Biden wins Dave and
he's elected, do you see him serving out his full term? No? God, no,
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I mean everyone knows that. You know, It's like this
guy's got dementia. We all know it. I keep saying,
the scandal is a non scandal. The scandal is that
everyone knows something's wrong with him. He can barely read
a teleprompter. They're using him as a puppet basically. You know,
Nancy Pelosi's talking about the twenty fifth Amendment to basically
get rid of him and install Kamala. And the real
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sickness about that will be not only did they use
this guy, not only did they use them, but nobody
talked about it. Aren't you supposed to care about this,
like all of these people that are supporting him that
knows something wrong, like Barack Obama must know something's wrong
with Biden at this point watch videos of Biden from
five years ago to now. It is it is very
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obvious in his speech patterns, the mumbling, the fumbling, and
the rest of it that something's not there. On top
of the fact that he just broke his foot, he
has a cold last week. It's like they're going to
try to drag him out. But Kamala Harris, let's not
forget Kamala Harris was pulling at zero amongst her own
party when she dropped out. So all of these people,
these eighty million people supposedly voted for Biden, they're going
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to end up with a lady who was pulling zero
within their own party. Something doesn't seem right about that.
But I don't know if you can say that, Dave,
because if you do, that's misogynistic. Oh well, I mean
it goes without saying that I'm a misogyn has been right,
And uh, what's the media game here? Because Biden is
not good television. Trump's good TV. Biden he's not very
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entertaining for for the news media, like what do they
shift to? They can't continue covering politics the way they've
been covering it, can't they? Because if if Biden is
the president, he's pretty boring. Well that's the thing. You
can't even see the way they're shifting right now, where
it's like, Okay, he's been the quote unquote president elect
for a couple of weeks now, and where are the
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any critical pieces about him or the administration? Everything is
a fluff piece. Everything is Oh, he brought in Pete
Boodage as transportation sectre terry, and he's gays and it wonderful.
None of it, None of it feels real because it's like, man,
you guys look for any excuse for four years to
destroy the president. Now you have your guy in and
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you're just gonna puff them up the whole time. But
I think you're right, Trump, whatever Trump does, will still
be the show. And maybe in a weird way in
one we're in the sort of show must go on
version of democracy where it's like, not really that important
what happens, it's just what we're paying attention to that matters.
And and in that regard, I think we'll still be
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paying attention to Trump. Dave, By any chance, did you
get a chance to to watch the interview online with
the Overstocked CEO Patrick Byrne. So I actually didn't see
it yet, but I was when I was in d
C last week. I actually pumped into him at the
Trump Hotel and we chatted for about a half hour,
So I know I know a bit about some of
the stuff. They're interesting. What is like, what's your overall thoughts,
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even without watching it, Like, what's your overall thoughts about him?
And maybe some of the things that he did talk about. Yeah,
so sort of on the blue Sky version of it,
because I didn't see the full interview, so I don't
want to get into like the nitty gritty of the details. Look,
I happen to like Patrick Byrne. I think he's a
patriot and a true American, and he's trying to do
some work to uncover some stuff that the media will
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not touch. You know, this is one of these weird
situations that I talked about all the time where it's like, man,
you know, if the media would just do their job,
if they would just report honestly, if they would look
at both sides equally, if they would do journalism in essence,
just do the thing that's in the very title of
the job. Right, If you would just do that, well,
then other people wouldn't have to be doing things. But
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instead you've your own failure has breeded a thing where
you've got now got all these YouTubers who are sitting
in their bedrooms doing a better job of journalism. Where
you've got people like Patrick Byrne, who's a who's a
businessman and uh, you know, ran overstock dot com and
he's big on bitcoin everything else. He's putting in his
own money and resources to uncover some election fraud stuff
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because nobody else will do it. So I I stand
with anyone that's trying to uncover truth. Uh, and we'll
see what happened. Well, Dave, thanks for coming on. And
you've got you've got the book still the holiday Christmas
is right around the corner here. What a great stocking stuffer, right,
don't burn this book, great stocking stuffer. Yes, don't burn
the stocking that this book is in. I should have
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said don't burn the door that the book is in,
but don't burn the stock that's right. And the Reuben
Report of course online. Thank you to appreciate it. Hey,
one more thing, guys, Guests gone, You've got to consider
changing your name because it's not going to be very
safe here in l A for you soon enough, once
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(00:21):
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starts right now in the air everywhere eight days a week,
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(00:43):
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Podcast and we attempt every Friday on the fifth Hour
to have a conversation we do not do on the
overnight show. Interviews. We talked to crazy drunk people that
call the show up and lunatics we love. There are
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(01:05):
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Who wants to listen to a tape? Show on a
live radio program, but on the podcast format, of course,
we have the avenue of doing that, and so we
will welcome in in a few minutes. This is a
political hour, political hour on the fifth hour, but we
(01:25):
are joined yet again by David Gascon. Not Gascon. Gascon,
you believe in fighting crime, unlike the other guy who's
got a very similar name to you. Yeah, I feel like, uh, yeah,
the pronunciation is one thing, and uh and the revolt
to the correct resistance is another. And uh. I feel
(01:49):
like where we're at right now is just luny tunes.
But I digress as I get my hands ripe and ready,
because I am preparing this lovely Friday morning for Benny
versus a penny tonight. We got a lot of things
on the menu today. We do have a lot going
on here, and it's good. The year winding down and uh,
you know the thing with your name and the new
(02:12):
district attorney in Los Angeles. It reminds me one of
my great, big, biggest supporters in Michigan was a guy
who had a goofy nickname and he used to call
the show. In fact, he was one of the originators
of the Mallard militia and the guy came up with
he stopped listening years ago because it's a long story,
it's a long, convoluted story. But he was a huge
(02:32):
fan and his nickname on air was Johanna John. Alright,
I remember him, Yeah, yeah, and it was a great nickname.
It was fun, you know whatever. And then the whole
Middle Eastern terrorism thing took over. And then if you
remember about maybe twelve ten, twelve years ago, I forget
your time. All is just I don't even know. I
can't even tell you when, but it was within the
(02:53):
last fifteen years or so, and I think it was
closer to last ten. Um there was a terrorist that
was doing horrific things and they the media tagged him
Johadas John. So we had to change we had to
change the name of the harmless sports radio caller Johadas
John because some lunatic was going around, you know, chopping
(03:15):
people's heads off in the Middle East, and it happened
that the media dubbed him with the same name. Yeah, yeah,
I didn't think I would be telling that story today,
but now and every time I see the name of
Gascone and it just is people pronounce it Gascon though
they don't. They don't pronounce it gascon. They pronounce it's
(03:37):
pronounce it guest gun. So anyway, this is a political hour.
If you're not in the politics, I get it. And
it's fine. You don't have to listen, you know, give
you a mulligan. You can give us a mulligan if
you want. But I'm interested. There's a lot going on.
You don't have to just stick to sports on a podcast.
And so this is guy we've had on before political
(04:00):
put it Dave Ruben. We're both big fans of Dave Reuben.
He's got a big talk show about free speech, the
Reuben Report, he's got the he's all over social media.
He's on the political shows on Fox News and news
Max and a bunch of the channels there. He's got
a book out, don't burn the book. And so we're
(04:20):
just gonna try to get the lay of the land
here at Guesscon from someone who's in in the ring,
fighting the political fight day after day, and this is
his world. I I just kind of peek in, you know,
I'm a sporty guy. I just I I'm into politics,
but I'm not like hardcore into it. We're all maybe
I'll check it out after the show. I might see
what's what happened the last twenty four hours in the
(04:42):
political world. But this guy is right there getting his
hands dirty day after day. When you think about some
of the world's greatest creations, Um, it's one thing to
have something that really changes the world. But can you
think of an item just off the top of your
head that was created and you just thought that thing
is so stupid but so useful. I wish I would
(05:04):
have created that. Oh god, everything, I'm like, yeah, everything,
anything I see said, why didn't I think of that?
That's how you know obviously. So it's so if I
were to rewind your life back ten years and I said,
hey Ben West of the four or five guests, g No.
But I'm saying, if I was to rewind your life
(05:25):
back ten years and I said, hey Ben, you could
you can be really successful and really maximize your potential
and making money by creating a show that talked about
free speech, would you have been like, what the funk
are you talking about? Or would you would you thought
something must have happened in the world, Because that's in
the sense what Dave is doing right, He's talking acknowledging
(05:46):
about free speech, your ability as an individual to act
on your own accord and do the things that you
want to do. And nowadays it's almost polarizing for him
to say that because we need to con form, we
need to be in line. Right Yeah, yeah, well, I
mean listen, the thing about Ruben which is good, I mean,
(06:06):
thing I really like about him. He's very smooth on
his delivery and his approach. I mean, it's it's taking
the DMV handbook and making it seem simple. You know,
it's that's that's a skill. That's an art that not
many people have the ability to do. Anybody can talk
about sports or politics, but the communication aspect of it
(06:28):
is the part where he's just just wonderful at that,
in in the delivery, the whole thing. He's so good
at it. And someone that we work in the media business,
so you when you find people like that, you're like, well,
this is great, this is this is wonderful. Let's give
me more, give me more, give me more. Now, keep
in mind, I mean, I know we're gonna get some people.
Oh I can't believe you had Ruben on. He's a hack,
(06:50):
you know, and they're gonna there's gonna be those people that, uh,
we gonna they just go go crazy over this kind
of stuff. But we're fans of him and we've had
him on before, and so I'm excited. I figure with
all that's going on, and the the inauguration day is January.
It's a Wednesday, and so that's like pretty much a
(07:12):
month away. Right, We're looking about a month away from
having a president sworn in, unless that somehow gets delayed,
which I don't think it will. But so anyway, why
don't we want to bring him in right now? Yes,
all right, let's bring in now the host of the
Reuben Report. We just said, Dave Reuben joining us, And
so Dave, why don't we start with that. We'll piggyback
(07:33):
off what we were just talking about. Here. Is the
election over, Well, I'm not convinced that the election is
completely over. I mean, there are still a couple of
things working through the courts at the moment. And you know,
Sidney Powell, who is a respected lawyer, it's harder for
(07:53):
me to believe that she has completely decided to self
emolate and destroy her personal life and career in the
name of this thing. Now, that doesn't mean, she really
has something and she's got a crazy case to prove
here that these dominion machines were switching votes and flipping
votes and eliminating votes on top of a couple of
the other things that are going on with mail and
ballance and everything else. But I will say this, and
(08:16):
this is why I'm sort of a little bullish on
the Trump situation at the moment, at least relative to
the mainstream people, which is that over the four years
that we had the Trump presidency, uh was with us,
he basically beat everybody every single time. So was he
not ready for the final boss of the video game?
(08:36):
Was he not ready knowing that they might try some
crazy stuff with voting machines and the rest of it.
I suspect he's got something left in his pocket. But
maybe I'm wrong. And if I am wrong and against
to the end of it and the courts don't get
anywhere and bidens the president, I'm okay being in the
opposition that there, right. Yeah, And if you we've all
seen the video, So I don't know if we've all
(08:57):
seen it, because I guess depending on where you get
your to you you haven't. As far as the election
and some of the stuff that went on there. Uh,
is this every election? Is this unique? Or is this
I'm trying to wrap my mind about because I know
in the last twenty years, with these big presidential elections,
there's always been something that people have complained about. Is
this just the way that elections are run or is
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it extra extreme this year? Yeah, that's a million dollar question,
right because you know, we didn't have the internet the
way we have it now. We didn't have the ability
for videos to go viral, and for electors and people
that were watching the ballot boxes and the rest of it,
for them to be able to take videos on their phone.
And now we see all these strange, shady things happening,
(09:42):
and you can see videos of people pressing different touch
screens where it appears mozart flipping. Look, every every election
in the history of the world beyond America has some
level of fraud. Obviously, there's no such thing as a
perfect system. Human meanings are not perfect. We cannot create
perfect systems, So you have to acknowledge that a certain
amount of fraud is built in. Is it possible as
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we shift more to digital and more towards mail in
ballots that we're basically, uh, causing a breeding ground for
more and more fraud to take place. It seems like yes.
And then when you compound it with the fact that
social media exists, so now we can all see it.
You know, it's one thing if there's a certain level
of fraud and we can't see it, But then you
(10:25):
just go on with your life. Now you start seeing
stuff and then you go, oh, wow, is this the
first time this has happened? Or am I just seeing
it for the first time. But I think the bigger
thing that that fits all of that is that we're
basically in a reality war, because depending on what news
you watch and who you follow on Twitter, you could
think that this thing was totally stolen or you could
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think it's totally legit right now, and you'd both be
living on the same planet Earth, but you would both
be living in a very different, uh sense of reality.
It's the Twilight Zone, Dave. Everyone's got there all mentioned
in the Twilight somebody. As far as the just in general,
I mean, you cover this stuff all the time. You're
a political pun and as you dig uh, and so
if you look at the election objectively, it's such a
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large country Democrats and Republicans can't agree about anything. So
if you were to say, let's have election reform, how
would you possibly get these sides to agree on anything. Yeah,
that's the fundamental issue. These sides not only disagree on everything,
but they have a very fundamentally um opposite view of
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what America is. I mean, trying to write my mind
about it. I mean, he's gonna hire a bunch of
Google and Facebook people for different roles there. What do
you think that's all about. Oh yeah, they're doing it already.
They've they've announced they've got a whole bunch of Facebook
com people and Google Comms people that they're already bringing
into the administration. So one of the irty is that Trump,
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in many ways was the last thing fighting big tech.
In other words, big tech knew they couldn't go too
overboard with Fannings and the rest of it because Trump
was there and maybe he was going to do something
with an executive action and start taking legal action and
try to break them up in the rest of it.
If Trump's gone, well, congratulations, You've got the political elite
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and the and the tech elite all on the same side.
And why would they allow for dissenting voices. Why would
they allow people they don't like and deem scary and
who are maybe against lockdowns or whatever it might be.
Why would they let them on their platforms if they've
run around and labeled all these people nachies and biggots
and the rest of it. So I think if you
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thought was weird, is going to just be completely bananas.
Do you believe that Donald Trump will be banned from
Twitter once he's no longer president? Are they going to
kick him off there? I think it's possible, but you know,
it's one of those things where you go ahead and
do that and then you're pulling like an obi wan.
You know, if you strike me down, I'll become more powerful,
then you can possibly imagine. So I think they'd have
(12:55):
to be careful what they wish for um, but I
wouldn't put any anything past them. I mean, if they
really want to make it seem like this, this movement,
whatever you want to call it, that this thing is
radical and should not be tolerated and should not be
mainstreamed or normalized, which is really what they wanted all along,
well then you would go ahead and get rid of Trump.
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But I don't think that weakened him. I think it
probably strengthened him, Dave. You know, there's certain thoughts that
I know, Ben and I have talked about when you
arrive in certain cities like the Big Apple and you
get to New York or are you gonna go to Boston.
There's just that that fuel and that energy. Even going
to Sense City is different because you see those lights
from the luxur l and they shoot up and you
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get that that rush of let's go gamble, let's go party.
And New York's got that different beasts as well. But
you were in DC recently, just a few weeks ago,
just a week ago. Um, what was your feeling like
when you landed? And how is the overall trip? Give
us the skinny on it. Yeah. Well, first, I gotta
say I love d C. I mean, you know, for
all the complaining that anyone can do about politics, I
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love the history of this country. I love those monuments.
I love going to the museums. I love the learning
about our founders and all of that stuff. I've been
there dozens and dozens of time. At times it never
gets old to me. But I gotta tell you this time,
it was seriously depressing. I mean, there was nobody out
on the streets. I posted a periscope video just walking
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around the streets, and quite literally all I saw were
homeless people. That's it. I mean, I actually, at one
point I did see three guys. Turns out that they
were fans of mine, so that so that was fun.
But there were just no people out there. There's no tourists.
Everything's closed. You know. At one point I was trying
to find something for lunch. Couldn't even find a place
that was open. And you know that that we've allowed
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our cities to become waste lands in essence is very dangerous.
It's very scary, and unfortunately, I don't think it's going away. Well,
and then also I saw you, uh I think you
put posted this. You were talking about cal Fornia. Obviously,
Are you leaving California like everyone else they were? You
gonna stay in California? Are You're gonna head to Nashville
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or Austin or somewhere else? Well, for the record, if
I if I do leave, I sense I'm more of
a Florida guy. I'm more of a beach guy than
a than a Texas guy. But I'm trying to fight
this thing from here. You know, if if we're really
at the point where nobody can live in a state
that they don't fully agree with their politics, and then
then in many ways the American experiment has failed. And
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I'm not quite there yet. So I'm willing to pay
the high taxes for a little bit longer, but you know,
at some point the rubber meets the road. At the
very least to Dave, because I can't defend Ben in
this capacity, but at least in your downtime you know
how to cook a steak. Vans not doing it so much,
but at least you're doing it. Yeah, he loves let
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me tell you, Dave. The other Dave here, Guscan loves
when you post food pictures. That is you know, you
think you're known as the political guy, but when you
post food pictures, that is what he really that resonates
with him. So listen, I people love the food pictures.
And you know, I got a I got a pretty
sweet built in grill here, and I'm doing all kinds
of you know, bone in ribs and try tips and
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all kinds of all kinds of fun stuff. And you know,
partly what I've been saying all along, during lockdown is
some people went into lockdown and they're coming out even
though we're not quite out of it, they're coming out worse.
You know, they gained weight, they just were depressed. They
play video games and watched port all day. Or you
could come out of lockdown and be a little bit better.
Maybe maybe you learn to cook, or you learn to
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play an instrument, or you started exercising more of the
rest of it. I've tried to mostly be on the
ladder side of that, so people do love the food
picks and hopefully I've got a couple other people doing
some of that stuff to themselves. Well, let see, Dave.
The backstory with all this is that Ben had a
birthday here and uh, I was back in April. It
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was back in April, and I bought the dude a
Tomahawks steak nicely, nicely rap ready for for a barbecue,
and and he promised me that he would eventually barbecue
when the weather appropriated it. Um. We live in southern California,
so it should have been at any time. And to
this day, to this day, it's got freezer burns on it. No,
(17:15):
just not have I'm waiting. I'm waiting for the perfect
moment here to cook the steak. The steak isn't a
climate control the freezer. It's going to be fine. Oh listen,
If that thing has freezer burnt on it, that is
a damn shame because there's not been better than a good,
better than a good all right? Yuh? And now, David,
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as far as the I would go back to California,
I'm obsessed here. I I am so frustrated with the
politics in California, coming from the governor on down. And
we do I do a sports radio show. We do
sports radio during the week, and it's you know, I
know this is a little microcosm of just the world,
but you watch different games in like Florida, or there
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was a Monday night game in Cleveland this week where
they actually had fans, and then you've got in California.
The forty Niners have to leave the state because of
some politicians in in that area and you know, no
fans allowed. It's it's just so crazy how they operate here.
And the governor with the whole French laundry thing. Do
you think there's a chance here that people might actually
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wake up in California? The people that are left here
and say what are we doing and let's change some
of these politicians around. You know, one of the strange
things about California, and I moved here after living in
New York my whole life is that if you talk
to anybody in California, they tell you that the whole
place is mismanaged. They're like, the taxes are high, the
roads suck a lot of homeless people, I'm seeing more
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drug use in my community, schools are terrible, blah blah blah.
And yet they seem unable to connect that to the
fact that they always vote Democrat and that work Democrat
run state. So you know, you'll see something like people
will be saying, Okay, well California, the education system here
is terrible, and then they'll be blaming Trump or blaming
the Republicans, and it's like, no, they don't have any
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thing to do with any of this. So so somehow
making the connection between oh, I vote for high tax
people that then put in policies that destroy small businesses,
like making that connection seems very hard for California. But
I will say this, I've met a ton of people
over the last few months who are a political who
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you know, maybe ran a business or a restaurant, whatever
it is, and that are suddenly going, WHOA, I didn't
even realize what I was voting for. So I do
think there's an awakening. And you know, I've been pushing
the recall Gavin knew something. We need three thousand signatures
because that guy's an absolute nightmare. Spent fifteen thousand dollars
on booze alone at that dinner at French Laundry, David,
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is there any kind of any kind of emails, direct messages,
any kind of text messages that you get that you think, hey,
well this is we can take a pragmatic approach to
this in California and something that's actually constructive and tangible,
regardless of Gavi Knewsome's recall or not. But there's some
wild things that are going on here, especially here in
Los Angeles with a new district attorney with no relation
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to me. But is there a right right right? You're
sharing the last name of the new guy and up,
I hope you're not related to them. No, no, But
is there anything that you get that you've received from
individuals that you say, like, there's actually something here that
we can we can show off the bone a little
bit and work on I think the main thing is
that it's up to you. You know. I think a
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lot of people think that somehow they're going to vote
in somebody that's going to save them, or the cavalry
is just going to show up one day and turn
this all around. But the simple truth is this is
on us. So every time I see someone that owns
a restaurant, fight back, and we're seeing this more and more.
Every time I see someone just freaking walking down the
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street without a mask and it's okay, you're walking your dog.
It's l a, it's seventy five and Sonny, whatever little
protest you can do in your life. You know, I
work out of my house. I have I have my
staff come here every day. I serve them food. We
sit there and we talk, We we laugh. You know,
these are things that Eric Arsetti wanted us to cancel.
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Eric ARSETI is not my king, and he's not my god,
and unfortunately he is my mayor. But that doesn't give
him dominion over my life. So I think if you
just go out and live your life as you see fit,
and and just because they say something doesn't mean you
have to obey it. That's the greatest thing you can do,
is an American truly. What have you done on the
business side of things with with the studio set up,
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with your staff be Is there anything particularly that you're
working on right now that you're excited about. Yeah, well,
you know, we started doing this daily show. I I
signed on to a three day a week show at
the beginning of the fall, and it was going so
well that we expanded it to five days a week
and I'm still doing the interview shows obviously, and the
numbers have been really good, and you know, people are
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people are interested. I mean, look, the main thing that
I try to do is talk about politics in a
way that will not make you angrier or dumber by
the end, because if you turn on CNN, I mean,
I guarantee you, anyone listening to this, you turn on
CNN for fifteen minutes, you will either be dumber or angrier.
That did. And what I try to do is say, Okay,
there's a lot going on in the world. The world's
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pretty nuts. There's some serious stuff. But here's here's three
or four stories that I think you should kind of
know about. And if you give me twenty minutes, you know,
put it in your head and then and then walk away.
And I think that that's a better way of approaching
the news rather than what most people are doing, which
is just keeping everybody outraged. And politics is not everything.
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It's just not Davis, we wind down and get ready
for one any prediction on when things might actually return
to normal as far as general rules and regulations, are
we just going to be stuck like this? I saw
Bill Gates said it's not I don't know how Bill
Gates has all the answers, but what's your Bill Gates?
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Bill Gates? This guy. First off, I saw that interview
with Tapper, and it's like Bill Gates lives in a
hundred fifty million dollar mansion in Washington, which has no taxes.
By the way, he always tells you tax the rich
and increased taxes, but he happens to live in a
state with no taxes, a hundred fifty million dollar mansion,
which I don't begrudge him, by the way. You know,
I believe in capitalism, but think about the amount of
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chefs and staff and landscapers and all of the people
that he's got working for him in his little fifed
him And meanwhile, he's telling these other people that you
can't go to work and you can't make a living
and everything else. So you know, these are not great people.
And and then I think we again, we keep sort
of thinking that just because the politician says something, or
because the tech guy says something, that that means they're right.
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But it's just not the case. But as far as
you know, unfortunately, the lockdowns have have been effective at
breaking the American spirit in many ways, and I think
there's a lot of people that want to keep that going.
You know, when Biden tells you, I want a hundred
more days of a of a federal mask man end date,
and people are like, oh, well that makes sense. I mean,
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you know, look, it was ten months ago they were
telling us two weeks to flatten the curve, and now
he's asking us for a hundred more days for masks
in two months from now. None of it makes any sense.
There's no science behind it. Why should rancher in Montana
have to wear a mask in the same way somebody
walking around Times Square in New York City? Ship Dave,
what you mentioned that small businesses being closed down our
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micromage and the larger ones not so much. Who are
some of the reporters that you've looked up to are
looked for with regards to answers and why um or
what they've done to attack or question people in power
that I've tried to trample over individuals rights. O. Man,
that's a great question, and the answer is there are
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not many. There are not many, you know, off the
top of my head, just thinking of a reporter who
I think is doing really good job. I mean, I
think Andy no has done a great job of in portland'
you know, talking about what's going on with Antifa and
some of the unrest that's up there. There aren't that many.
I think the best you can do to stay in
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form is trying to find a couple of people that
can that can kind of filter the news for you
in a way that that as I said before, it
doesn't make you crazy, doesn't make you dumber or angrier.
So that that's what I try to do. There's a
couple of people that I respect in that space. I
think Ben Shapiro does a nice job of it from
a conservative perspective. I think Glenn Beck from a more
libertarian perspective. But you've got to find a small group
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of people that you basically think you can trust and
guess what, they're going to get some stuff wrong along
the way, including me, And and that's not really the
key thing. The key thing is are they are they
doing their best to not manipulate you that that's what
I'm trying to do? That really is it? Yeah? I
mean one that I look at the most is Katherine Herridge.
She came from Fox. Now she's over at CBS, but
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she really lays things out, highlights things on our tweets
and and responds reports accordingly. But it just seems like
when you are in d C and you're you're in
that that melting pots, sometimes you get you get stuck
in all the residue and it just it reeks when
you're when you're reporting the news or at least trying to, well,
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that is what happens. You know, these people that are
the pure creatures of d C. It's like, you know,
politics is not everything. And I think they've tricked a
lot of people. This is what the progressives have done
really well. They've tricked everybody to thinking that politics can
solve all of your problems. But politics cannot make you happy,
politics cannot give you purpose. Politics cannot give you a
(26:30):
reason to wake up in the morning. Politics if if
you're really thinking about it, it's sort of an unnecessary
offshoot of being free, meaning that we're born free and
then you need some structure so that we're not killing
each other. That that pretty much is what politics is.
And I always liken it to Game of Thrones. It's
like Game of Thrones was a constant quest for power,
(26:50):
which is what politics is. The last scene of Game
of Thrones, I hope I'm not blowing it for any everybody,
but the last scene is a bunch of guys sitting
around the table and everyone else that's you know, he
is dead, and they're not that thrilled about it. You know.
It's like that, that's how it ends. Because politics is
about crushing people. I want to free people. So in
a weird way, I'm less interested in politics now than
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I've ever been, which is a bizarre thing as a
as a guy that talks about politics a lot, just
don't ever say bend a knee, all right, exactly exactly. So,
So Dave Well, I want go back to Trump here.
So if he doesn't, if he doesn't pull a rabbit
out of his hat here and he's done for now
as president. What ends up happening? I know there's been
(27:32):
some reports about the deep state charging him with crimes
and all that, and you think that's actually gonna have mean,
that's kind of been an unwritten rule, right the president.
You don't you don't charge the president. Is what would
Trump be in legal jeopardy? You think, well, I hope not,
because you're right. It would break precedent that I think
would lead us to a seriously dangerous place. Look, every
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administration done some shady stuff. You know. The truth is
that if you if you remove the impeachment that ended
up sailing and in essence was a sham. If you
remove that, Trump didn't have scandals. There were there were
made up media things about leaks and people saying he
eats too much ice cream and his steak well done
and like, you know, some nonsense, but there weren't major
(28:15):
scandals in terms of selling arms illegally to somebody, or
entering a war out of nowhere or the rest of it.
So the idea that they'd go after him for crimes
is pretty dangerous. But what that would ultimately lead to
is Okay, if you guys want to open up that door. Well, congratulations,
you're not always going to be in power. And then
if a Republican comes in after Biden will congratulations, Biden
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will spend his eighties in jail, and and that's just
then we'll basically be of an Ana Republic. So I
really hope that if Trump does not, you know, pull
off this second term somehow, that they don't go that route,
because it would set us down a pass that would
be deeply, deeply dangerous. If Joe Biden wins Dave and
he's elected, do you see him serving out his full term? No? God, no,
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I mean everyone knows that. You know, It's like this
guy's got dementia. We all know it. I keep saying,
the scandal is a non scandal. The scandal is that
everyone knows something's wrong with him. He can barely read
a teleprompter. They're using him as a puppet basically. You know,
Nancy Pelosi's talking about the twenty fifth Amendment to basically
get rid of him and install Kamala. And the real
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sickness about that will be not only did they use
this guy, not only did they use them, but nobody
talked about it. Aren't you supposed to care about this,
like all of these people that are supporting him that
knows something wrong, like Barack Obama must know something's wrong
with Biden at this point watch videos of Biden from
five years ago to now. It is it is very
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obvious in his speech patterns, the mumbling, the fumbling, and
the rest of it that something's not there. On top
of the fact that he just broke his foot, he
has a cold last week. It's like they're going to
try to drag him out. But Kamala Harris, let's not
forget Kamala Harris was pulling at zero amongst her own
party when she dropped out. So all of these people,
these eighty million people supposedly voted for Biden, they're going
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to end up with a lady who was pulling zero
within their own party. Something doesn't seem right about that.
But I don't know if you can say that, Dave,
because if you do, that's misogynistic. Oh well, I mean
it goes without saying that I'm a misogyn has been right,
And uh, what's the media game here? Because Biden is
not good television. Trump's good TV. Biden he's not very
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entertaining for for the news media, like what do they
shift to? They can't continue covering politics the way they've
been covering it, can't they? Because if if Biden is
the president, he's pretty boring. Well that's the thing. You
can't even see the way they're shifting right now, where
it's like, Okay, he's been the quote unquote president elect
for a couple of weeks now, and where are the
(30:49):
any critical pieces about him or the administration? Everything is
a fluff piece. Everything is Oh, he brought in Pete
Boodage as transportation sectre terry, and he's gays and it wonderful.
None of it, None of it feels real because it's like, man,
you guys look for any excuse for four years to
destroy the president. Now you have your guy in and
(31:11):
you're just gonna puff them up the whole time. But
I think you're right, Trump, whatever Trump does, will still
be the show. And maybe in a weird way in
one we're in the sort of show must go on
version of democracy where it's like, not really that important
what happens, it's just what we're paying attention to that matters.
And and in that regard, I think we'll still be
(31:31):
paying attention to Trump. Dave, By any chance, did you
get a chance to to watch the interview online with
the Overstocked CEO Patrick Byrne. So I actually didn't see
it yet, but I was when I was in d
C last week. I actually pumped into him at the
Trump Hotel and we chatted for about a half hour,
So I know I know a bit about some of
the stuff. They're interesting. What is like, what's your overall thoughts,
(31:54):
even without watching it, Like, what's your overall thoughts about him?
And maybe some of the things that he did talk about. Yeah,
so sort of on the blue Sky version of it,
because I didn't see the full interview, so I don't
want to get into like the nitty gritty of the details. Look,
I happen to like Patrick Byrne. I think he's a
patriot and a true American, and he's trying to do
some work to uncover some stuff that the media will
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not touch. You know, this is one of these weird
situations that I talked about all the time where it's like, man,
you know, if the media would just do their job,
if they would just report honestly, if they would look
at both sides equally, if they would do journalism in essence,
just do the thing that's in the very title of
the job. Right, If you would just do that, well,
then other people wouldn't have to be doing things. But
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instead you've your own failure has breeded a thing where
you've got now got all these YouTubers who are sitting
in their bedrooms doing a better job of journalism. Where
you've got people like Patrick Byrne, who's a who's a
businessman and uh, you know, ran overstock dot com and
he's big on bitcoin everything else. He's putting in his
own money and resources to uncover some election fraud stuff
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because nobody else will do it. So I I stand
with anyone that's trying to uncover truth. Uh, and we'll
see what happened. Well, Dave, thanks for coming on. And
you've got you've got the book still the holiday Christmas
is right around the corner here. What a great stocking stuffer, right,
don't burn this book, great stocking stuffer. Yes, don't burn
the stocking that this book is in. I should have
(33:19):
said don't burn the door that the book is in,
but don't burn the stock that's right. And the Reuben
Report of course online. Thank you to appreciate it. Hey,
one more thing, guys, Guests gone, You've got to consider
changing your name because it's not going to be very
safe here in l A for you soon enough, once
the people wake up to this clown. Be sure to
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