March 12, 2021 • 27 mins
Baseball season is on the horizon and royalty has stepped up to the plate to visit Ben and David. Derrick Hall, the CEO of the Arizona Diamondbacks, takes some time to chop it up with the fellas about a variety of things surrounding the sports & entertainment industry and the state of MLB.
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again back this week good unfortually very years like there.
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So it's nice salvation, I guess it's it's nice. Isn't
it so wonderful that you get to drop inside the
Magic Radio Box and on your podcasts, you have a
world class colleague that not only books guests, but presidents
and CEOs and doctors and lawyers. I give you the
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Rose Royce of guests. You know well from your Money
through Friday show. Take a little bit of advantage of
the fact that there's some people that I know that
actually went on and became very successful. Not that I have,
but these people have become very successful. So you've taken
advantage of that. And I'd like to let the court
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record report show that I I actually know several of
these individuals that we've had on in recent days and
times and years. Now it's going on what two years
now with this stupid little podcast. Yes, and you wanted
to cancel the podcast after a month, I think you, well,
I think it's just tradition over the last couple of
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years we cancel everything, so I cancel this. Well, let's
not waste time. This is very important. This man. We
actually have one of the longest tenured CEOs in Major
League Baseball, the guy who runs the show for the
Arizona Diamondbacks. He's been doing it for over fifteen years.
His name is Derek Hall. Now Derek Hall has a
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very interesting story that's somewhat connected to me a little
bit now. He was he was when I first met Derek.
He was in the PR office for the Los Angeles
Dodgers in the early nineties, and he rose up the
ranks with the Dodgers and then left. He left the
Dodgers and got into sports talk radio at a station
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I were that he was the morning guy. I was
doing the midday show at Extra Sports eleven fifty in
Los Angeles, which no longer exists, and he also did
the Dodger pregame stuff. I was doing Dodger postgame at
the time, and so we we were around each other
quite a bit in those days. And Derek he had
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left that He'd done TV in l A as well.
He left that and then went into private business briefly
and then ended up as the executive with the years
on the Diamondbacks. And he's been running that team for many,
many years, as we pointed out, And so we're excited
to have Derek call on the fifth Hour with Ben
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Maller and David Gascon and so Derek, why don't we
start with this? Is there ever a day that you
do not regret leaving the lavish lifestyle of sports talk
radio to become a CEO in professional baseball. Fox Sports
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s R to listen live. Right, you know, Ben, I
had a lot of fun, But I think if I
had stuck to media or or a personality on radio,
I'd probably be unemployed because I wasn't very good at it.
So it's good to leave it up the pros lift
yourself well. And I mean you did it for a
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few years. Obviously you started in baseball and then you
went into sports radio. And I don't think I've told you.
I don't think there's ever been a transformation like that.
You were on TV in l A and you did
this sports stuff in the morning and all that, and
you making us all look bad. What is the secret?
What is the secret to success here? Well, you got
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a hit and run. You can't stay somewhere too long, right,
and they figure you out. It was It was a
lot of fun because I had been with the Dodgers
for for many years and we had a few ownership changes,
and then I had the opportunity to go to you know,
the flagship radio station, UM Morning Show. We had a
ton of fun. We had a blast in the morning show,
and I out to do as you said, some uh
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some TV. I did some weekend uh sports anchoring so
in and then I did some pregame shows for the Dodgers,
both radio, I got to do a few on TV.
So for me it was great. I still stayed involved
with sports and with with with the Dodgers, but I
really missed baseball. So when I had the opportunity to
go back to the Dodgers and then and then out
here at Arizona, ultimately it's been it's been a nice
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mix of both worlds. And to know both sides I
think is important too. Yeah, as gonna say, because I'm
guessing most of the other CEOs in baseball they have
not lived that life. And none of them have you know,
both TV and radio from your experience, So when you
when you see crazy stories on on on in the
on the internet and on radio and whatnot in Phoenix
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and around the country, You're like, hey, I kind of
know wh I know the other side, right, You're familiar
with it. I do, And I also understand the importance
of you guys having to do your jobs. You know,
that's that's really important to know too. I mean too
often people may may get upset or they have sam skin.
You can't. I mean you have to know that. You know,
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everyone has a job to do. And you know I
I did it as well, right sitting in your in
your chair h for for quite some time. So I
do think it helps. I definitely think it helps. But
I think most of the folks in my jobs have
been they may not have gone up with the ranks
either in media or or on the pr communication side.
Most of them have either been the legal side or
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accounting side. Some actually did a few actually did some
play by play, but for the most part, no, no
one's had the luxury of being on there as well.
That's been It was great for me. Yeah. And now
fun fact here that when you you were doing stuff
with the Dodges, but when you were named as the
morning guy at Extra Sports eleven fifty, I think it
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was because like Steve Mason and got to New York,
somethody they needed, they were looking for someone they and
you were the guy that they went with John Ireland,
as I remember and we we were myself and Dave Smith,
we were on there. We found out about this and
we talked about it on the air and we got
in so much trouble, Derek for for spilling the beans
on that before it was like generally jumped the gun.
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You went out to early on it. Yeah, we were,
we were like filling in on the morning show and uh,
and we were like this is interesting, you know because
we we've both known you and then uh and then
we talked about it. Oh my, the management, Oh they
came down. They were very upset with this Terry, but
we were. We were very happy before you. I do
recall that. And it was with John Ireland, who's obviously
a very good friend, and then and then he left
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for a while I was alone, and then it was
with you know A and then um, you know, there
was a time where where I was also with Terry Bradshaw.
He was coming in. He had like the show after me,
so he and I had this crossover show and yeah,
he's still I don't think he ever said my name
right for the few weeks or months that we were
on together because they didn't know who I was, but
still doesn't to this day. The guy that you got
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Terry Bradshaws, because I did the show after Terry. The
benetib Show was after Terry for a little bit. Uh,
and and Terry did not really want to talk about
sports very much. It was it was odd. It was
like he wanted like there was one I love Terry.
There was one day he came in and just read
like a Jeff Foxworthy book because he was friends with
Jeff Foxworthy the comedian back in the day. And uh,
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it was. It was tremendous. But the amazing thing about
that is that that station there, which you worked out
for a few years, and now you've obviously gone everyone
who worked there, almost everyone has gone on and done uh,
pretty cool things, either still in the media business or elsewhere.
You with the Diamondbacks, and you know, we had a
guy that was like a producer, board op intern, guy
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that went on to coach Texas college football. Of all.
I mean, there were a lot of people from that
that kind of a small sports station that went on
and did pretty cool things. I can't believe it's been
that long though. And what what was also great about
that is, you know it doesn't always happen, but I
think we were a pretty good family. It was like
everyone got along and you know, still to this day
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we're all good friends and stay in touch. It was
very unique, you know, for for that setting, for all
of us to have started something and took pride in
it and still get along to this day. It was
very cool. Yeah, absolutely, And now I also must address
now having you on here today, it's very important. All right.
So when you were working with the Dodgers in the
PR department, with the great Jay Lucas, you both more
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lighted as umpires in the media baseball game. Now, this
was a big event for me. I was morbidly obese
at the time, but one of my great athletic accomplishments.
And I don't you probably don't remember because you've got
much more important things. But I, for some reason, everything
lined up for me, All the plans lined up, and
I connected. I was using unfortunately a wooden bat, not
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a metal bat. Uh, And it was like, actually, I
remember a Corey Snyder bats or nineties six or something,
but I used a Corey Snyder bat and I hit
a ball that somehow went off the wall at Dodger Stadium.
Now you were the umpire and because of my rather large,
oversized body. I thought the ball was going out, and
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then I of course didn't run, and there was a
play at second. Now I was clearly safe there. You
called me out when you admit, now after all these years,
that if there had been instant replay, I would have
been safe. You no, no, you you were You were
out that and you were showboating it. I mean you
were watching it. You thought it was gone, and I
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do remember it like it was yesterday, and I could
not believe that you wouldn't run the basis. And then
once you realized that wasn't gone, you tried to high
tail it and you were out. You were clearly out.
It was I was safe. I I snuck in there.
I'm telling you, I still can't to this day. I
had the option member because you guys they brought out
they had wooden bats and they had metal bats, and
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I was like, well, I'm in the major league ballpark.
I'm gonna use a wooden bat because I wanna. I wanna,
you know, be like a big league I do. Hopefully
if you had used the limitum, it was clearly over
the wall, it would have been gone. And I think
you still thought you connected you thought you had it.
I did. I did. I mean, that's a big you know.
I I'm used to playing literally fields up until that point,
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but it was pretty cool. Now I have some fun
memories of those those media games. Do you guys do
that in Arizona? Do you have some kind of setup
like that or is that kind of archaic at this point?
You know it is. It's somewhat our kid, but we
could do it now. We never did it in the
past because we were so worried about our grass. Now
we don't have grass, you know, We've got our our
synthetic grass, so we probably could bring that back. We
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ended up doing it with some legislators here this year.
We used to have an owner's clinic where we let
people play, but the grass just got chewed up. I
think we should we should bring it here. It is
a fun event and lots of you know, guys like
to get out there and play, and we're just always
worried about the injuries. Yeah, I know, especially a long
time well back in those days. Uh, you know, I
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can't believe it's been as long. But remember the late
great Student Nahan would manage the media game and Stu.
This was so serious that he would bring in ringers
to beat the writers. He had. Remember one year he
had a kid from Long Beach State that was like
a player at Long Beach State that somehow snuck finagle
his way way in there and we were trailing late
and then one of the media games and Stu tried
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to have the guy changed jersey so he could bat again. Uh,
there was a lot of shenanigans going on. He was.
I missed Stu a lot. And he actually would try
and get our BP pictures to go in and face
you guys. He tried to get players to go in disguise. Um,
and he would usually because it's with Tommy too, as
you recall, yes exactly. And I also remember yeah, because yeah,
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Stu felt we had an advantage because there were so
many former players that were working in the media, so
he wanted to get there. Yeah. Yeah. He always want
to get Rick Monday to play. And uh, and then
you brought Fernando back and that whole thing. But crazy,
it's all right. So now now you are you are
the CEO of a major League baseball I've been doing
this a long time, and congratulations on your success and
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all as we said, but the day to day grind,
like running the Arizona Diamondbacks. How many fires are you
putting out on a on a daily basis? There too many,
that's really these days, you know, with what we're facing. Um.
But but it just depends on what the what that
fire is for the day because there's so many different
areas that we're focused on. I never had to them
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in the past when I was there in l A.
But now, I mean, one day it could be government
affairs issue. The next day it could be a pr issue,
the day after that, it could be a community issue.
There's so much and when you have three and fifty
full time employees and and uh, you know, it's it's
a full time organization. Most people wonder, well, what do
you do in the off season, which we call our
season without games? As you know, um, but it's NonStop
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and you have a number of people who who wants
or need your attention, and and uh that I'll tell
you what. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.
I absolutely love it. But it's stressful, and especially in
a division like like this one where the Dodgers have
just dominated you know, us and every team really for
that matter, for so long. Um, but it's a it's
a it's a fun division and everything that I learned
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with the Dodgers, trying to bring that mentality over here,
having worked large market and now a smaller market and
having ownership when I first began at the Dodgers, it's
very similar to ownership here where it's a family and um,
you know, a lot of emphasis on culture. It's been
it's been great. Yeah. And it's been about a year
since everything went haywire in the world, not just the
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sports world shutting down. You guys were in spring training, Um,
you know a year ago at this time when the
news came down that they were shutting everything down. What
what was that like at the time and nobody knew anything,
but you were there and you had to make decisions
and whatnot along with the people of baseball. But what
what was that experience like a year ago? I remember
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watching when you know, the NBA shut down, and I thought, Wow,
that is crazier. They're going too far with this thing.
And I think it was probably two days later because
that was the eleventh, I believe in on the thirteenth,
we we shut down and and send everybody home. And
I thought it was gonna be a couple of weeks.
I sent a note to all of my staff at
night saying, hang in there, be safe. We'll see in
a week or two when we feel like we can
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open back up. You know, it was a year. I mean,
it was a year that we weren't in the office
that either Chase Shield or saw River Fields, which is
where our spring training home is. And uh, it was bizarre.
And then to have the the abbreviated season like we
did with no fans and the piped in sound, it
just was sterile. It wasn't real. And I still can't
believe what we've gone through. Yet we've learned so much
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from it, and I think, you know, hopefully we never
encounter anything like this again, but if we do, we're
all going to be better prepared for it for sure. Yeah,
there no fan thing. I know fans are gonna be
coming back now at least a little bit. But you
know what, you got to go to those games. I mean,
you were obviously the CEO the team. What was it
like why I didn't go to any I know in
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the media I could have gone here in l A,
but I didn't go. What was it like watching the
Big League game without any any It must have been
just bizarre, right, It's crazy. It was. That's a that's
a great, great word. It was bizarre. And I sat
there for these games and just I didn't enjoy it.
I mean you could hear, you know, foul balls rattling
off chairs and uh, you know, you could hear every
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word said in each dugout. It just it didn't feel right.
It wasn't right because it's you know, our games are
made for fans. But I think our our crews and
our our stabs did a really nice job of trying
to make it seem like it was normal and like
it was natural. To make sure that the endgame entertainment
was still somewhat there, and they're in our case we
call it dB t V, but your your video board
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was still you know, interactive and engaged, and everything became
more virtual. It was it was bizarre, but they did
a nice job making it seem as if nothing was different.
Is that there were fans there, but you knew better
when you were there in the in the ballparking. You
just couldn't wait until the day to get fans back
through the turnstiles, which fortunately we're going to have this year, Derek,
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I gotta jump into the fray here with what happened
last year with Major League Baseball of the adjustments to
some of the rules, and you being around the game
so long, did you like any of the implementation? You know, runners,
obviously a doubleheaders things. Did you like any of that?
That's a great question. And I'm a traditionalist and I'm
a Nation League guy, so I never liked the d H.
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I don't like to change the game or mess with
the game. And I have to tell you I liked
every every experimental rule we had, I really did. I
like the expanded playoffs, I like the extra hitting rule,
and I liked the d H. UM. You know, I'm
surprised that that we don't have one so far for
this upcoming season, but I actually did, and I know
that we're going to try some experimental rules when it
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comes to minor league baseball. I believe in triple A.
I think that's a good thing. You know that if
we just say we can never change this game, you
know we're we're we're not being We're not being wise.
I mean, I think every sport tends to to look
at ways to improve their sport. And ways to protect
their players from injury. And if all that can be
done in a way that's going to speed it up,
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create more interest, more interaction, uh, and more of a following,
we should do it. And I think I think they
worked pretty well. But do you think the game is
better because it feels like from from a certain standpoint
that in any league, whether it's Major League Baseball, the
n b A, NHL, and maybe a little bit in
the NFL, but everyone's drunk on saber metric launch angles,
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eggs of velocity as opposed to making contact and going
the opposite way. No, No, that's and that's different, and
I think we'll address that, you know, whether it's uh,
if we're going to address the shifts, or we're gonna
address you know, the way the baseball has made or
the dimensions of the ballpark, all of that does need
to be looked at because I think our fans, if
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it's just strikeout a home run, you're exactly right, not
as um not as good as as more action in
the game. And I think all that will be looked
at because we do want more people following the game,
more people excited about the game, and more you know,
youngsters that are able to play the game and for
a longer period of time. Now day, the samer metrics thing,
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this is fascinating because it seems like everyone in baseball
is doing it to one degree or another. But is
it possible? And you're the perfect guy ask because you
run a baseball team, is it possible if you had
a team approached things old school too? You know, you
don't come leately forget about saber metrics, but you you
choke up with two strikes and you you know, hit
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behind the runner, the things, some of the small stuff. Yeah,
maybe occasionally bunt. You know, is it possible that by
playing the what many would say is an outdated style
of baseball that you would actually have some kind of
advantage as opposed to the team's many of them today
they just try to go up and it's like Beer
League softball. You're trying to hit home runs and all that.
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I wonder if it what do you think? Do you
think that a team that plays the old school approach
could actually have success in the modern baseball world. You
could definitely make an argument for that, which is why
ben people say that there should be a balance and
and I know it sounds like, you know a lot
of a lot of words, but it's true. You really
need to balance it out. And I can tell there's
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now more of an embrace from the old school guys
that are sitting in the room or the old school Scouts.
They embrace more of the analytics now and they they
intertwine it in their work. And by first thing, you
hear these individuals that are maybe shout of college and
that are so into the analytics, but they're listening and
learning and embracing what you know. The Scouts are treating
or teaching them as well, and some of the older
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instructors and coaches. I think you have to have a balance,
and I can tell you, um, you know, I'm not
as much into the analytics, and that's why we hire
people to do so. And we have an entire department,
which we never had when I first came here. Um.
In fact, you know, when I left the Doctors, we
really didn't have an analytics department either. But now you
have to and it's got to be a part of
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your game. And you know, I think instincts take over
and and so you know, style takes over at some point.
I sit there like you probably and with the question
alone and the way we were taught how to play
baseball and the way we grew up playing baseball, I'll
sit there saying, why are we not? Why are we
not bumming right here? Right? I mean, it's it's it
seems like common sense to me because that's why I
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came up through the game. But enough people will tell you, no,
you don't here, and here's why they think differently, And
it's fun to have those debates, and it's to here
why not? But I think there needs to be a balance,
and I think we have enough people in every organization
now that that do balance it out. The days of
either one way or the other, I don't think we're
seeing that really anymore, Derrek. Do you think it hinders
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major League Baseball with a little bit of the stripping
from the minor league clubs just because of where we
were to where we are now? Do you think that
hinders the game and the sport as a whole with
with the consolidation? Um? I think you know. I think
what they're what the attempt was is right. Um, when
we looked at the quality of ballparks, of the travel involved,
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the number of players that never made it I think
the intentions are right on. It's trying to make sure
that there certain levels of quality that we expect that
each of the ballparks now where our players are going
off to when it comes to an affiliate. In addition
to that, you want to make sure that these players
that that inner professional baseball actually have a chance to
make it to the big leagues and that they're not
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just spending so much time, you know, in buses on
airplanes with their travel. So for all those reasons that
they did that, I'm you know, I agree with that,
I really do. And um it's I'm excited because we've
got so many affiliates now close to close to us.
We didn't have a an affiliate in Texas before, which
we do now and and with you know, Hillsborough and
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Baselia and Reno, it makes a lot of sense for
us to have have those teams so close now, Derek,
I do need to give you the heads up since
you mentioned Vicelia. UM, I'm gonna put it on the
record here for you. Ben Maller did direct me back
in two thousand and sixteen to leave to leave Fox
Sports Radio and joined the Bakersfield Blaze. So I worked
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in High a affiliate ball there for a year, and
I invited him and his entire lame show out for
a night of the ballpark and and and Derek, hand
to god, he throughout the first pitch, and then a
month later Bakersfield Blaze were closed down. He closed down
a minor league ball club that was in existence for
sixty five years. Yeah, we're putting We're putting it on
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bed Dave. That's good. Did he throw a strike though
he locked it in. I don't know if it would
have gotten to the place. I was a lollipop. It
was a lollipop itch. But that's a strike there, because
you know that can be a strike. You can throw
a high Yeah, it's all about location, not velocity. I
found that my you know, year, year and a half,
two years in minor league baseball is huge for me.
So I'm sure you had the same experience, but but
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for me to get to know each and every fan
and and do everything from you know, pulling the tarp
when it rains, the stock in the shelves, to you know,
doing the promotions. I had a blast in minor league baseball.
And I tell a lot of young um students who
are asking for advice that it's not such a bad
direction to go to to get started in a minor
league baseball. Now, when you shut down a franchise, that's
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not good. And I will put that on Mallard too, Yes, clearly. Uh,
well I gotta also, I mean there you talking about
you know, minor league baseball, all that you worked at
that world. But one thing about you that and you
still and you've done it in Arizona. I've read stories
and people have talked and told me things with the
fans like, you're so good about that. So many of
these CEOs just want nothing to do as far as
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the interaction, but you make it a priority. And it's
so smart because my experience with listeners, I don't it's
obviously not the same thing. But people that are upset
something I say, normally, if you just respond to them,
they're kind of are happy about it and they're willing to,
you know, calm down a little bit. But what's it
been like in relation you you make it a priority
to interact with the Diamondback fans and and uh and
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how's that going for you? That's yeah, you said a
couple of things that really resonated. First Off, when I
was on radio and we were just starting to get
you know, email back then. And after after the morning show,
I would go home and I would just get blistered
by by some fans and and it it It hurt, right,
And so I decided I was going to respond to
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each and every one of them, and I would write
them back and tell them, you know, with the reasoning
for what I said. And and I think you're exactly right.
My experience, as I recall, was they just wanted to
hear it, and you responded, they felt great, they became
a fan of the show. Uh And and you started
talking with those folks, you had a relationship. It's no
different with the fans. And for us, it's every fan counts.
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I mean, it's not as if we could just open
up our gates and get two to three million fans
every year. We gotta work hard in the market like this.
So it's it's one fan at a time, and we
answer every email, every voicemail, every text, um, you know,
and that that relationship is important. So I I do
communicate regularly with with fans. I have chats once a
month with the fans, um, you know, just walking around
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talking to them, hearing what's important to them having roundtables
and town halls. That's really vital, and especially in a
market like this where we we have to hold on
to every single fan we get. We have to earn everyone. Yeah, absolutely,
and uh and Derek, just before we we wrap up here,
I mean, you guys didn't have a very active offseason.
But people listening that found this podcast that are curious
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and what are the reasons to be optimistic for the
one Arizona Diamondbacks. Well, yeah, as far as active, you know,
the Dodgers were extremely active. The Padres were active obviously,
and so we've been asked, you know, why weren't we
so so active? We really were the last couple of
years before that, and we felt like we had the
team in place that that we thought was going to
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compete and perform um. You know, take last year out.
It was. It was an awful season for us. We
did not play well, We had a lot of injuries.
We moved a couple of players at the trade deadline,
but for the most part, that team is still there.
So for us to fill a few holes this offseason,
but try and keep that team together and see if
they can compete. Maybe we put the wrong team together.
But we'll see, you know, hopefully in a hundred and
sixty two games season. But but for us to compete
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more consistently and sustain a model of success, we're going
to have to do it a different way, the right way.
We can't compete necessarily in the free agent market. We're
going to have to scout, properly, develop those players, retain
them through arbitration years in some of their early free
agency years, and make sure that we have a pipeline
of talent in our farm system ready to So we've
taken our farm system from the top three or bottom three,
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absolutely worst in baseball to the top five now in baseball.
That's who we need to be. And I would just
tell you know, fans or people interested in baseball to
hopefully watch a team here that's going to compete. For
us to have been in the playoffs in oh seven,
two thousand eleven, two thousand seventeen, way too sporadic, too
many years of not getting there in between. Well, Derek,
thanks for coming on, ma and I look forward to
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the day of the Diamondbacks when the World Series with
you as the CEO. So I can more, I can
brag more about you, Derek and I. That'd be great.
I brag about I brag about you guys as well,
and uh, I look forward to seeing you. Thanks for
having me on I would love to do it in person.
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actually have one of the longest tenured CEOs in Major
League Baseball, the guy who runs the show for the
Arizona Diamondbacks. He's been doing it for over fifteen years.
His name is Derek Hall. Now Derek Hall has a
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very interesting story that's somewhat connected to me a little
bit now. He was he was when I first met Derek.
He was in the PR office for the Los Angeles
Dodgers in the early nineties, and he rose up the
ranks with the Dodgers and then left. He left the
Dodgers and got into sports talk radio at a station
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I were that he was the morning guy. I was
doing the midday show at Extra Sports eleven fifty in
Los Angeles, which no longer exists, and he also did
the Dodger pregame stuff. I was doing Dodger postgame at
the time, and so we we were around each other
quite a bit in those days. And Derek he had
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left that He'd done TV in l A as well.
He left that and then went into private business briefly
and then ended up as the executive with the years
on the Diamondbacks. And he's been running that team for many,
many years, as we pointed out, And so we're excited
to have Derek call on the fifth Hour with Ben
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Maller and David Gascon and so Derek, why don't we
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had a lot of fun, But I think if I
had stuck to media or or a personality on radio,
I'd probably be unemployed because I wasn't very good at it.
So it's good to leave it up the pros lift
yourself well. And I mean you did it for a
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few years. Obviously you started in baseball and then you
went into sports radio. And I don't think I've told you.
I don't think there's ever been a transformation like that.
You were on TV in l A and you did
this sports stuff in the morning and all that, and
you making us all look bad. What is the secret?
What is the secret to success here? Well, you got
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a hit and run. You can't stay somewhere too long, right,
and they figure you out. It was It was a
lot of fun because I had been with the Dodgers
for for many years and we had a few ownership changes,
and then I had the opportunity to go to you know,
the flagship radio station, UM Morning Show. We had a
ton of fun. We had a blast in the morning show,
and I out to do as you said, some uh
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some TV. I did some weekend uh sports anchoring so
in and then I did some pregame shows for the Dodgers,
both radio, I got to do a few on TV.
So for me it was great. I still stayed involved
with sports and with with with the Dodgers, but I
really missed baseball. So when I had the opportunity to
go back to the Dodgers and then and then out
here at Arizona, ultimately it's been it's been a nice
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mix of both worlds. And to know both sides I
think is important too. Yeah, as gonna say, because I'm
guessing most of the other CEOs in baseball they have
not lived that life. And none of them have you know,
both TV and radio from your experience, So when you
when you see crazy stories on on on in the
on the internet and on radio and whatnot in Phoenix
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and around the country, You're like, hey, I kind of
know wh I know the other side, right, You're familiar
with it. I do, And I also understand the importance
of you guys having to do your jobs. You know,
that's that's really important to know too. I mean too
often people may may get upset or they have sam skin.
You can't. I mean you have to know that. You know,
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everyone has a job to do. And you know I
I did it as well, right sitting in your in
your chair h for for quite some time. So I
do think it helps. I definitely think it helps. But
I think most of the folks in my jobs have
been they may not have gone up with the ranks
either in media or or on the pr communication side.
Most of them have either been the legal side or
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accounting side. Some actually did a few actually did some
play by play, but for the most part, no, no
one's had the luxury of being on there as well.
That's been It was great for me. Yeah. And now
fun fact here that when you you were doing stuff
with the Dodges, but when you were named as the
morning guy at Extra Sports eleven fifty, I think it
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was because like Steve Mason and got to New York,
somethody they needed, they were looking for someone they and
you were the guy that they went with John Ireland,
as I remember and we we were myself and Dave Smith,
we were on there. We found out about this and
we talked about it on the air and we got
in so much trouble, Derek for for spilling the beans
on that before it was like generally jumped the gun.
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You went out to early on it. Yeah, we were,
we were like filling in on the morning show and uh,
and we were like this is interesting, you know because
we we've both known you and then uh and then
we talked about it. Oh my, the management, Oh they
came down. They were very upset with this Terry, but
we were. We were very happy before you. I do
recall that. And it was with John Ireland, who's obviously
a very good friend, and then and then he left
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for a while I was alone, and then it was
with you know A and then um, you know, there
was a time where where I was also with Terry Bradshaw.
He was coming in. He had like the show after me,
so he and I had this crossover show and yeah,
he's still I don't think he ever said my name
right for the few weeks or months that we were
on together because they didn't know who I was, but
still doesn't to this day. The guy that you got
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Terry Bradshaws, because I did the show after Terry. The
benetib Show was after Terry for a little bit. Uh,
and and Terry did not really want to talk about
sports very much. It was it was odd. It was
like he wanted like there was one I love Terry.
There was one day he came in and just read
like a Jeff Foxworthy book because he was friends with
Jeff Foxworthy the comedian back in the day. And uh,
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it was. It was tremendous. But the amazing thing about
that is that that station there, which you worked out
for a few years, and now you've obviously gone everyone
who worked there, almost everyone has gone on and done uh,
pretty cool things, either still in the media business or elsewhere.
You with the Diamondbacks, and you know, we had a
guy that was like a producer, board op intern, guy
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that went on to coach Texas college football. Of all.
I mean, there were a lot of people from that
that kind of a small sports station that went on
and did pretty cool things. I can't believe it's been
that long though. And what what was also great about
that is, you know it doesn't always happen, but I
think we were a pretty good family. It was like
everyone got along and you know, still to this day
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we're all good friends and stay in touch. It was
very unique, you know, for for that setting, for all
of us to have started something and took pride in
it and still get along to this day. It was
very cool. Yeah, absolutely, And now I also must address
now having you on here today, it's very important. All right.
So when you were working with the Dodgers in the
PR department, with the great Jay Lucas, you both more
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lighted as umpires in the media baseball game. Now, this
was a big event for me. I was morbidly obese
at the time, but one of my great athletic accomplishments.
And I don't you probably don't remember because you've got
much more important things. But I, for some reason, everything
lined up for me, All the plans lined up, and
I connected. I was using unfortunately a wooden bat, not
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a metal bat. Uh, And it was like, actually, I
remember a Corey Snyder bats or nineties six or something,
but I used a Corey Snyder bat and I hit
a ball that somehow went off the wall at Dodger Stadium.
Now you were the umpire and because of my rather large,
oversized body. I thought the ball was going out, and
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then I of course didn't run, and there was a
play at second. Now I was clearly safe there. You
called me out when you admit, now after all these years,
that if there had been instant replay, I would have
been safe. You no, no, you you were You were
out that and you were showboating it. I mean you
were watching it. You thought it was gone, and I
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do remember it like it was yesterday, and I could
not believe that you wouldn't run the basis. And then
once you realized that wasn't gone, you tried to high
tail it and you were out. You were clearly out.
It was I was safe. I I snuck in there.
I'm telling you, I still can't to this day. I
had the option member because you guys they brought out
they had wooden bats and they had metal bats, and
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I was like, well, I'm in the major league ballpark.
I'm gonna use a wooden bat because I wanna. I wanna,
you know, be like a big league I do. Hopefully
if you had used the limitum, it was clearly over
the wall, it would have been gone. And I think
you still thought you connected you thought you had it.
I did. I did. I mean, that's a big you know.
I I'm used to playing literally fields up until that point,
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but it was pretty cool. Now I have some fun
memories of those those media games. Do you guys do
that in Arizona? Do you have some kind of setup
like that or is that kind of archaic at this point?
You know it is. It's somewhat our kid, but we
could do it now. We never did it in the
past because we were so worried about our grass. Now
we don't have grass, you know, We've got our our
synthetic grass, so we probably could bring that back. We
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ended up doing it with some legislators here this year.
We used to have an owner's clinic where we let
people play, but the grass just got chewed up. I
think we should we should bring it here. It is
a fun event and lots of you know, guys like
to get out there and play, and we're just always
worried about the injuries. Yeah, I know, especially a long
time well back in those days. Uh, you know, I
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can't believe it's been as long. But remember the late
great Student Nahan would manage the media game and Stu.
This was so serious that he would bring in ringers
to beat the writers. He had. Remember one year he
had a kid from Long Beach State that was like
a player at Long Beach State that somehow snuck finagle
his way way in there and we were trailing late
and then one of the media games and Stu tried
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to have the guy changed jersey so he could bat again. Uh,
there was a lot of shenanigans going on. He was.
I missed Stu a lot. And he actually would try
and get our BP pictures to go in and face
you guys. He tried to get players to go in disguise. Um,
and he would usually because it's with Tommy too, as
you recall, yes exactly. And I also remember yeah, because yeah,
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Stu felt we had an advantage because there were so
many former players that were working in the media, so
he wanted to get there. Yeah. Yeah. He always want
to get Rick Monday to play. And uh, and then
you brought Fernando back and that whole thing. But crazy,
it's all right. So now now you are you are
the CEO of a major League baseball I've been doing
this a long time, and congratulations on your success and
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all as we said, but the day to day grind,
like running the Arizona Diamondbacks. How many fires are you
putting out on a on a daily basis? There too many,
that's really these days, you know, with what we're facing. Um.
But but it just depends on what the what that
fire is for the day because there's so many different
areas that we're focused on. I never had to them
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in the past when I was there in l A.
But now, I mean, one day it could be government
affairs issue. The next day it could be a pr issue,
the day after that, it could be a community issue.
There's so much and when you have three and fifty
full time employees and and uh, you know, it's it's
a full time organization. Most people wonder, well, what do
you do in the off season, which we call our
season without games? As you know, um, but it's NonStop
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and you have a number of people who who wants
or need your attention, and and uh that I'll tell
you what. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.
I absolutely love it. But it's stressful, and especially in
a division like like this one where the Dodgers have
just dominated you know, us and every team really for
that matter, for so long. Um, but it's a it's
a it's a fun division and everything that I learned
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with the Dodgers, trying to bring that mentality over here,
having worked large market and now a smaller market and
having ownership when I first began at the Dodgers, it's
very similar to ownership here where it's a family and um,
you know, a lot of emphasis on culture. It's been
it's been great. Yeah. And it's been about a year
since everything went haywire in the world, not just the
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sports world shutting down. You guys were in spring training, Um,
you know a year ago at this time when the
news came down that they were shutting everything down. What
what was that like at the time and nobody knew anything,
but you were there and you had to make decisions
and whatnot along with the people of baseball. But what
what was that experience like a year ago? I remember
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watching when you know, the NBA shut down, and I thought, Wow,
that is crazier. They're going too far with this thing.
And I think it was probably two days later because
that was the eleventh, I believe in on the thirteenth,
we we shut down and and send everybody home. And
I thought it was gonna be a couple of weeks.
I sent a note to all of my staff at
night saying, hang in there, be safe. We'll see in
a week or two when we feel like we can
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open back up. You know, it was a year. I mean,
it was a year that we weren't in the office
that either Chase Shield or saw River Fields, which is
where our spring training home is. And uh, it was bizarre.
And then to have the the abbreviated season like we
did with no fans and the piped in sound, it
just was sterile. It wasn't real. And I still can't
believe what we've gone through. Yet we've learned so much
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from it, and I think, you know, hopefully we never
encounter anything like this again, but if we do, we're
all going to be better prepared for it for sure. Yeah,
there no fan thing. I know fans are gonna be
coming back now at least a little bit. But you
know what, you got to go to those games. I mean,
you were obviously the CEO the team. What was it
like why I didn't go to any I know in
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the media I could have gone here in l A,
but I didn't go. What was it like watching the
Big League game without any any It must have been
just bizarre, right, It's crazy. It was. That's a that's
a great, great word. It was bizarre. And I sat
there for these games and just I didn't enjoy it.
I mean you could hear, you know, foul balls rattling
off chairs and uh, you know, you could hear every
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word said in each dugout. It just it didn't feel right.
It wasn't right because it's you know, our games are
made for fans. But I think our our crews and
our our stabs did a really nice job of trying
to make it seem like it was normal and like
it was natural. To make sure that the endgame entertainment
was still somewhat there, and they're in our case we
call it dB t V, but your your video board
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was still you know, interactive and engaged, and everything became
more virtual. It was it was bizarre, but they did
a nice job making it seem as if nothing was different.
Is that there were fans there, but you knew better
when you were there in the in the ballparking. You
just couldn't wait until the day to get fans back
through the turnstiles, which fortunately we're going to have this year, Derek,
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I gotta jump into the fray here with what happened
last year with Major League Baseball of the adjustments to
some of the rules, and you being around the game
so long, did you like any of the implementation? You know, runners,
obviously a doubleheaders things. Did you like any of that?
That's a great question. And I'm a traditionalist and I'm
a Nation League guy, so I never liked the d H.
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I don't like to change the game or mess with
the game. And I have to tell you I liked
every every experimental rule we had, I really did. I
like the expanded playoffs, I like the extra hitting rule,
and I liked the d H. UM. You know, I'm
surprised that that we don't have one so far for
this upcoming season, but I actually did, and I know
that we're going to try some experimental rules when it
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comes to minor league baseball. I believe in triple A.
I think that's a good thing. You know that if
we just say we can never change this game, you
know we're we're we're not being We're not being wise.
I mean, I think every sport tends to to look
at ways to improve their sport. And ways to protect
their players from injury. And if all that can be
done in a way that's going to speed it up,
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create more interest, more interaction, uh, and more of a following,
we should do it. And I think I think they
worked pretty well. But do you think the game is
better because it feels like from from a certain standpoint
that in any league, whether it's Major League Baseball, the
n b A, NHL, and maybe a little bit in
the NFL, but everyone's drunk on saber metric launch angles,
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eggs of velocity as opposed to making contact and going
the opposite way. No, No, that's and that's different, and
I think we'll address that, you know, whether it's uh,
if we're going to address the shifts, or we're gonna
address you know, the way the baseball has made or
the dimensions of the ballpark, all of that does need
to be looked at because I think our fans, if
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it's just strikeout a home run, you're exactly right, not
as um not as good as as more action in
the game. And I think all that will be looked
at because we do want more people following the game,
more people excited about the game, and more you know,
youngsters that are able to play the game and for
a longer period of time. Now day, the samer metrics thing,
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this is fascinating because it seems like everyone in baseball
is doing it to one degree or another. But is
it possible? And you're the perfect guy ask because you
run a baseball team, is it possible if you had
a team approached things old school too? You know, you
don't come leately forget about saber metrics, but you you
choke up with two strikes and you you know, hit
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behind the runner, the things, some of the small stuff. Yeah,
maybe occasionally bunt. You know, is it possible that by
playing the what many would say is an outdated style
of baseball that you would actually have some kind of
advantage as opposed to the team's many of them today
they just try to go up and it's like Beer
League softball. You're trying to hit home runs and all that.
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I wonder if it what do you think? Do you
think that a team that plays the old school approach
could actually have success in the modern baseball world. You
could definitely make an argument for that, which is why
ben people say that there should be a balance and
and I know it sounds like, you know a lot
of a lot of words, but it's true. You really
need to balance it out. And I can tell there's
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now more of an embrace from the old school guys
that are sitting in the room or the old school Scouts.
They embrace more of the analytics now and they they
intertwine it in their work. And by first thing, you
hear these individuals that are maybe shout of college and
that are so into the analytics, but they're listening and
learning and embracing what you know. The Scouts are treating
or teaching them as well, and some of the older
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instructors and coaches. I think you have to have a balance,
and I can tell you, um, you know, I'm not
as much into the analytics, and that's why we hire
people to do so. And we have an entire department,
which we never had when I first came here. Um.
In fact, you know, when I left the Doctors, we
really didn't have an analytics department either. But now you
have to and it's got to be a part of
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your game. And you know, I think instincts take over
and and so you know, style takes over at some point.
I sit there like you probably and with the question
alone and the way we were taught how to play
baseball and the way we grew up playing baseball, I'll
sit there saying, why are we not? Why are we
not bumming right here? Right? I mean, it's it's it
seems like common sense to me because that's why I
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came up through the game. But enough people will tell you, no,
you don't here, and here's why they think differently, And
it's fun to have those debates, and it's to here
why not? But I think there needs to be a balance,
and I think we have enough people in every organization
now that that do balance it out. The days of
either one way or the other, I don't think we're
seeing that really anymore, Derrek. Do you think it hinders
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major League Baseball with a little bit of the stripping
from the minor league clubs just because of where we
were to where we are now? Do you think that
hinders the game and the sport as a whole with
with the consolidation? Um? I think you know. I think
what they're what the attempt was is right. Um, when
we looked at the quality of ballparks, of the travel involved,
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the number of players that never made it I think
the intentions are right on. It's trying to make sure
that there certain levels of quality that we expect that
each of the ballparks now where our players are going
off to when it comes to an affiliate. In addition
to that, you want to make sure that these players
that that inner professional baseball actually have a chance to
make it to the big leagues and that they're not
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just spending so much time, you know, in buses on
airplanes with their travel. So for all those reasons that
they did that, I'm you know, I agree with that,
I really do. And um it's I'm excited because we've
got so many affiliates now close to close to us.
We didn't have a an affiliate in Texas before, which
we do now and and with you know, Hillsborough and
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Baselia and Reno, it makes a lot of sense for
us to have have those teams so close now, Derek,
I do need to give you the heads up since
you mentioned Vicelia. UM, I'm gonna put it on the
record here for you. Ben Maller did direct me back
in two thousand and sixteen to leave to leave Fox
Sports Radio and joined the Bakersfield Blaze. So I worked
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in High a affiliate ball there for a year, and
I invited him and his entire lame show out for
a night of the ballpark and and and Derek, hand
to god, he throughout the first pitch, and then a
month later Bakersfield Blaze were closed down. He closed down
a minor league ball club that was in existence for
sixty five years. Yeah, we're putting We're putting it on
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bed Dave. That's good. Did he throw a strike though
he locked it in. I don't know if it would
have gotten to the place. I was a lollipop. It
was a lollipop itch. But that's a strike there, because
you know that can be a strike. You can throw
a high Yeah, it's all about location, not velocity. I
found that my you know, year, year and a half,
two years in minor league baseball is huge for me.
So I'm sure you had the same experience, but but
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for me to get to know each and every fan
and and do everything from you know, pulling the tarp
when it rains, the stock in the shelves, to you know,
doing the promotions. I had a blast in minor league baseball.
And I tell a lot of young um students who
are asking for advice that it's not such a bad
direction to go to to get started in a minor
league baseball. Now, when you shut down a franchise, that's
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not good. And I will put that on Mallard too, Yes, clearly. Uh,
well I gotta also, I mean there you talking about
you know, minor league baseball, all that you worked at
that world. But one thing about you that and you
still and you've done it in Arizona. I've read stories
and people have talked and told me things with the
fans like, you're so good about that. So many of
these CEOs just want nothing to do as far as
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the interaction, but you make it a priority. And it's
so smart because my experience with listeners, I don't it's
obviously not the same thing. But people that are upset
something I say, normally, if you just respond to them,
they're kind of are happy about it and they're willing to,
you know, calm down a little bit. But what's it
been like in relation you you make it a priority
to interact with the Diamondback fans and and uh and
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how's that going for you? That's yeah, you said a
couple of things that really resonated. First Off, when I
was on radio and we were just starting to get
you know, email back then. And after after the morning show,
I would go home and I would just get blistered
by by some fans and and it it It hurt, right,
And so I decided I was going to respond to
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each and every one of them, and I would write
them back and tell them, you know, with the reasoning
for what I said. And and I think you're exactly right.
My experience, as I recall, was they just wanted to
hear it, and you responded, they felt great, they became
a fan of the show. Uh And and you started
talking with those folks, you had a relationship. It's no
different with the fans. And for us, it's every fan counts.
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I mean, it's not as if we could just open
up our gates and get two to three million fans
every year. We gotta work hard in the market like this.
So it's it's one fan at a time, and we
answer every email, every voicemail, every text, um, you know,
and that that relationship is important. So I I do
communicate regularly with with fans. I have chats once a
month with the fans, um, you know, just walking around
(25:34):
talking to them, hearing what's important to them having roundtables
and town halls. That's really vital, and especially in a
market like this where we we have to hold on
to every single fan we get. We have to earn everyone. Yeah, absolutely,
and uh and Derek, just before we we wrap up here,
I mean, you guys didn't have a very active offseason.
But people listening that found this podcast that are curious
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and what are the reasons to be optimistic for the
one Arizona Diamondbacks. Well, yeah, as far as active, you know,
the Dodgers were extremely active. The Padres were active obviously,
and so we've been asked, you know, why weren't we
so so active? We really were the last couple of
years before that, and we felt like we had the
team in place that that we thought was going to
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compete and perform um. You know, take last year out.
It was. It was an awful season for us. We
did not play well, We had a lot of injuries.
We moved a couple of players at the trade deadline,
but for the most part, that team is still there.
So for us to fill a few holes this offseason,
but try and keep that team together and see if
they can compete. Maybe we put the wrong team together.
But we'll see, you know, hopefully in a hundred and
sixty two games season. But but for us to compete
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more consistently and sustain a model of success, we're going
to have to do it a different way, the right way.
We can't compete necessarily in the free agent market. We're
going to have to scout, properly, develop those players, retain
them through arbitration years in some of their early free
agency years, and make sure that we have a pipeline
of talent in our farm system ready to So we've
taken our farm system from the top three or bottom three,
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absolutely worst in baseball to the top five now in baseball.
That's who we need to be. And I would just
tell you know, fans or people interested in baseball to
hopefully watch a team here that's going to compete. For
us to have been in the playoffs in oh seven,
two thousand eleven, two thousand seventeen, way too sporadic, too
many years of not getting there in between. Well, Derek,
thanks for coming on, ma and I look forward to
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the day of the Diamondbacks when the World Series with
you as the CEO. So I can more, I can
brag more about you, Derek and I. That'd be great.
I brag about I brag about you guys as well,
and uh, I look forward to seeing you. Thanks for
having me on I would love to do it in person.
Sometimes too, I miss you. Fox Sports Radio has the
best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of
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