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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ka boom. If you thought more hours a day, minutes
a week was enough, I think again. He's the last
remnants of the old Republic, a sole fashion of fairness.
He treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as
the rich pill poppers in the penthouse, to clearing house
of hot takes, break free for something special. The Fifth
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Hour with Ben Maller starts right now in the air everywhere.
We kick off yet another weekend with the Fifth Hour
with Ben Mallard, because four hours a night are not enough.
Eight days a week, eight days a week from the
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Mallard Podcast studio deep in the north Woods. We're back
at it and we thank you for finding the show,
for supporting the podcast. The numbers have been great. We
are here every weekend, even a holiday weekend, and we
are here for you. And you know by now if
you're listening, chances are you are aware that this is
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a spinoff of the Overnight Radio show and it is
only available in the domain of the podcast and the
vast i Heart podcast Network the power of that, but
wherever you get your podcast. So we thank you for
spending some time with me flying solo. Uh. We have
a lot percolating in the Fifth Hour world and the
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radio show. It's like intertwined. These things are intertwined. We'll
get to a the P principles. The P principles. We
have the surprising request. The surprising request from a listener.
It's really not a request, that's I'm not phrasing that properly.
It's really a message from a listener of complaint. But
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I have to set the listeners straight. So I'll explain
what that's all about. But we begin with final preparations. Now,
if you have been listening to me over the years,
you know that there is a ritual that we have
on our show. It was on the radio show for
many many years, and then we moved it to the podcast,
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and then we shifted it to a YouTube platform. I'm
referring to announce your pronouns Benny Versus the Penny, and
the season is going to kick off next weekend. So
if you're listening to this podcast on Friday, assuming there
are no last minute hiccuffs and things don't go wrong,
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we will have Benny Versus the Penny. It's not going
to be on this podcast unless something has gone typically wrong.
We are in conversations in conversations with others to put
the podcast together, which is not it's not a party,
it's the Benny Versus the Penny, which is a standalone show,
will be a video a component to it, and we
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will yet again attempt to take down the sports books
and we can remind you of some of the keys
of that. Of course, as we point out every year
on Benny Versus the Penny, that the sports book sets
the opening line, but the gambling public is the one
that establishes the final line. A lot of people are
confused by that, uh, and there's this overconfidence based on
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the gambling line. But we'll get into all of the
different truisms of gambling and uh, you know, think in
terms of betting a little to win a lot and
the types of gambler that are out there. And one
of the things that we stress on Benny Versus the
Penny is to avoid being the one wearing the dunce
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cap right in in gambling, it's very similar to Wall Street.
They love the casual gambler, they love the Cambel casual gambler,
and they call it get that dub dumb money right
the book. He's love the school air, the square is
the average unsophisticated gambler whose decision making is based on
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a hunch or some kind of manipulation. Uh. He might
have a system, or you just watch some guy on
ESPN or Fox or CBS or NBC say something said, Well,
like I said it, it must be true. Uh, and
then you you go down that garden path and you
end up getting some trouble. So we'll give you Benny
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Versus the Penny. I wish I had a big announcement now.
A good talk show host would say, Hey, it's going
to be at this time on this platform, so you
better tune in. But that's not what we're doing. We're
still working out the final details even at this hour,
and it will be onwards and upwards for Benny versus
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the Penny, and I am excited about it. I love
Benny versus the Penny because that means football is in
the air, all right, and we want to make you
a professional winning gamble. Now, not a square, right we
mentioned a square is the person that the casinos love.
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They love the square gambler. You do not want to
be the square, right, You want to be a sharp.
The sharps are usually members of a big syndicate. They
have the the insider information and all that the weather, developments, injuries,
all of the important information. You want to be more
like that? Not that. Am I a sharp? No, I'm
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not as sharp. Of course I'm not as sharp, but uh,
I got a pretty good amount of information. I have
access to a lot of information. So hey, that's Benny
versus the Penny. And just if you've been asking, I
know we've gotten some people that have been sending me
messages on social media. What's going on with Benny versus
the Penny? Uh? Is it gonna be back? Yes, it
will be back. Where is it gonna be? I can't
say that yet. As I said, I can't say it yet,
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but you will be no worse for the wear you
will find out follow us on social media. I will
send it out on Twitter, I'll send it out on
Facebook and even Instagram. And let you know. Now, if
you listen to the radio show this past week, you
you heard Eddie Garcia. Was Eddie happy on the Friday
show or what? Eddie was so excited at one ft
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out the door, one ft out the door as he
is preparing for a vacation. Eddie's going to Washington d
C infective and reminded if he didn't hear the Friday show,
and I know this is on Friday as well, but
Eddie did say, if you're a listener within driving distance
of Washington, d C, Eddie is willing to hang out
with you. He met Doc Mike in Chicago and Aida
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pizza while Doc ad a salad, which was was very awkward.
But Eddie is going to be away. It's Eddie's wild vacation,
which means the most important week on our calendar, the
most important week for sports talk radio. I'm gonna go
out and say, for the rest of the year, is
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this mean week? Now? Why is that? Why is this
the most important week? I'll tell you. The sports talk
radio industry is built on the foundation of the NFL.
We all rally around the National Football League, and it
takes a village of people to put this together. Like
the networks, they encourage you to take your vacation in
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the summertime. Now a lot of people take vacation. I
will take time off in late December because a lot
of things shut down. So there's this weird dead period
in football season. Is this weird dead football period in
the middle of the season there, and Uh. The thing
about it, all right is that's that's okay for like
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a week, but the beginning of the year, you want
to get off to a good start. You want to
get off you want to mean business, right, you want
to get out of the gates, out of you know,
and feel good about yourself. It's like the way college
football teams typically schedule money game is early on. Uh,
they line up the hostess, schedule the cupcake, the apple pie,
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all of that because they want to get off to
you start feel good and get a couple of wins
under your belt before you start getting some difficult, more
difficult competition. Well, the same thing goes on in sports radio, right,
It's very important to get off to a good start.
You want to have everything clicking sounding good. Um, there's
more commercials that you'll hear during this time of the year.
So we've Draft Kings, which is a fine sponsor not
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only of the radio show but also the Fifth Hour
podcast as an example. Um, so it's an important time here.
But anyway is gonna be gone, and that means we
will be stuck with Ned Flanders, the buckaroo, the man
that believes he's God's gift to comedy, will be in
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the news room providing us with sporting news. So it's
one of those deals when he's in here, Brian Finley,
give us twenty two minutes and we'll give you seven scores.
That's essentially how that's gonna go. But again, it's the
most important week of the NFL season, and we will
have live, original audio content every single night during the weekend,
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and we'll hand over the baton. Eddie's handing over the
baton to someone that will sabotage the show, So we
were guaranteeing that there will be sabotage. Also, I've got
a number of messages from people saying, is that blind
on Blind Octagon a real thing? Is that actually gonna happen?
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And if you miss the overnight show this week, we
had a brew haa haa a Donny Brook a knock down,
drag out battle royal if you will, between Blind Scott
and Blind Sea Bass. Now, Blind Sea Bass is in Nashville.
He stopped calling the show for a while. All of
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a sudden, a Blind Sea Bass entered the Fray again
and has returned to the show, and he's very upset
with Blind Scott because blind Scott and Boston. According to
blind Sea Bass was supposed to help him get a
support dog, and then blind Scott like disappeared. I don't
know all the facts, but I just know there's bad
blood and blind Scott called up and he was like, Hey,
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I'm not gonna I'm not gonna partake in this. And
then of course blind Scott then talked himself into doing it.
He talked himself into doing it, and I'm all about it.
I think it would be a great week to do it.
Blind Sea Bass Blind Scott the first blind on blind
Verbal Octagon. If you're unfamiliar with the Verbal Octagon, it
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is audio fisticuffs and it's all like don'keet kong uh.
It's one of the more enjoyable things that we do,
and it's essentially a way to settle a beef. Be honest. Here,
we've had women in calling. We had Tammy and Montana,
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the late Genie in Medford in the octagon. That was
one of the more famous ones. Pete and Pittsburgh versus
the World was was great. We had real talk who
was in an octagon back in the day. There's been
been many different versions of the Octagon, but We've never
had a blind on blind version, so I want to
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make that happen. I'm thinking Monday into Tuesday or Tuesday
into Wednesday. That would be the perfect set up. Three rounds,
a knockdown, drag out steel cage deathmatch in the octagon.
So hopefully that will we'll take place down. Meanwhile, let's
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get to the secret sauce, if you will, the Secret Sauce.
So this is another one of those things I've been
meaning to get to and I have not gotten to it.
A number of people have said, hey, the show that
you do is a lot different than many of the
other radio shows, which is which could be a compliment
at its best, which means as good as all the
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rest or or could be a derogatory term at its worst, right,
So I guess it just depends how you want to
interpret it. So I am going to interpret it that
that is a compliment that if you've you've bothered to
send me a message via social media or email and said, hey,
I like you know X, Y and Z about the show, uh,
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and it's different and why is it different? What makes
it different and all that stuff. So I've gotten a
few of those messages and I meant to get to it,
and we've had other things and so I have not
gotten to it. We certainly don't reinvent a wheel. And
I'm not saying that what we do is any better
than anyone else. Everyone has their own desires and own
their their own taste and all that stuff. And people
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full of hot air, right, We're all full of hot air.
We're all gas bags and blowhards with tremendous ounce of
verbosity on the radio show. But to give you the answer,
and I I used this in honor of Doc Mike.
We had actually considered putting Doc on this podcast Full Disclosure,
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Doc Mike, uh, and he was unavailable because he was traveling.
And then I was like, well, maybe we'll put Blair
and Made on. In fact, we had booked Blair and
Maine for this podcast, and then Blair and Maine decided
to turn his phone off at the time we were
supposed to interview Blair made It's hard to interview a
guy when his phone is turned off, so that didn't happen. Um,
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So anyway, we got to the point, so I said,
this is the time, said we have a little extra
time now on this Friday podcast. So let's get into it.
And in honor of Doc Mike, the keys to a
good sports talk radio show, or any radio show for
that matter, it's the P principles P E E. Now,
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this is not to be confused with the kiss method.
Keep it simple stupid. That's the kiss method, which is
from the Navy, and I love that and I use
that quite a bit, and it's it's true, keep it
simple stupid. But this is the P principle in honor
of Doc Mike, a regular caller to the show, who
has pointed out many many times that he enjoys drinking
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bodily fluids. And he is convinced, and and Doc has
has said this off the air as much as he
said it on the air, that he believes he will
live to be a very very old man. Doc's getting
up there in age now. When Doc called me, he
was in his mid mid mid age. Now he's getting
up there. But he swears, okay, Doc Mike swears that
he's gonna gonna live to be like a hundred ten
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hundred fifteen or older than that because of because of urine.
But anyway, the P principle get to the point. Please,
the pre principle is passion. That's the p right. You
can't fake it, and that's a big part of the
secret sauce. If you have disinterests. I believe this is
true in anything in life. It just happens that my
chosen profession is radio or broadcasting in general. But if
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you have disinterest, it will show in your work. And
that's true whether you're an athlete, playing in a game,
whether you're a truck driver, whether you're cleaning toilets, waiting tables,
working in an office. If you're disinterested, that will show.
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People will know that you're disinterested, and that uncaring attitude
is toxic. It is absolutely toxic. So passion is a
big part of this. And I had a program director
that drilled this into me early in my career and
it's something that I it's very important lesson and it
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oozes out. It literally oozes out on a regular basis.
But this programming out there, he pulled me aside. He said, listen, Uh,
it's very difficult to keep an audience. But there's one
thing that you can do is be authentic. Have have
the passion right. And he said he's listen. If you
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have apathy and disregard for the things that you're talking about.
Why would a person listening I want to keep listening.
That is the biggest way to turn the dial or
to turn off a podcast and go somewhere else. That
is the click. And that's not the click you want.
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That's not the click of approval. That's the click of
I'm gonna go find something else. And it is true
right there now, there's there are droughts. I'm not gonna
sit here and lie and say that every single day
is wonderful. There are droughts when the sporting news is
not as sexy, it doesn't have the razmatazz, it's not
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as exciting, but it's never barren. Now, I lived in
an era of sports radio where it was barren, and
that was back in the stone age, before social media,
before the Internet and all that stuff. And we're all
looking for content. We're all going down the same avenues,
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the same highways and byways trying to find content. But
there was a time when people just depended on newspapers
and there was the AP, sports Wire and Sports Ticker,
and I worked at the mighty six ninety. I started
as an intern in San Diego and worked my way around,
and that was the Sahara Desert. That was as barren
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like the Sahara Desert, uh and it was very difficult.
At times you had to wait praying there would be
some kind of ap breaking news message that would carry
you through the day. It's not like that. Now. There's
a whole lot of places to look. There's more places
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to look than ever before. But there's there's good stories
out there. But again, that ties into passion. It ties
into passion. You gotta have the passion. If you have apathy,
you're done. You're done and again, and not for just sports,
but for anything else. The second thing, as the p
principles provided to you exclusively on the fifth Hour with
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Ben Mallory, Enthusiasm. Now that might not mean what you
think that. To me, what that means is you have
something to say. It ties into the passion, right, passionate
enthusiasm pretty similar, But enthusiasm. I put that in the
category where you don't want to be on the fence. Okay,
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you don't want to be on the fence that you're
not in Switzerland and you have the good cop and
the bad cop. You have the good guys and the
bad guys, and you don't want to be walking down
the middle of the road and just go through the
motions and you not not have an opinion. Now you
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shouldn't fake an opinion. But if you don't have a
strong opinion about something, and I believe this to be true,
what are you doing? Like? It drives me crazy. I've
worked with people over the years and I'll bring something
up and I'm excited about it and they'll be I
don't occur, And that ties back into the pay passion apathy, right,
you don't want to have you don't want to have.
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The apathy that is the destroyer of fun is apathy.
You don't wanna do that. So that always drives me nuts.
But it's enthusiasm, right, and genuinely have enthusiasm and don't
fake it. And also you gotta pay attention to detail
and all that stuff. Have a little bit of vim
and vigor uh with with your statements. I mean, that's
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also all tied into enthusiasm. And the final part of
the pay principle of sports radio is in it tayment.
And this is the most important thing. And I don't
listen to a lot of sports talk radio because I
work in the business. I listen to a little bit.
And I hear a lot of people that are more
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worried about getting stats in and being the smartest person
in the room, and they put entertainment as a secondary thing.
And that is a huge mistake, a huge mistake, and
it ties back to the the times we're in right now,
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right And as as much as I said you can
get all kinds of status you want on the internet
and all that stuff, it is true. Uh, And if
you're going to tune in, whether it's this podcast or
the radio show or just any kind of audio program
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or for that matter, of television, you are giving away
the most valuable thing you have. The most valuable thing
you have. We say it all the time is your time.
You don't know how much of it you have, you
don't know when it's gonna end, and there's a finite
amount of it. So for you to give some of
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your listenership, some of your time for a program, you
gotta be entertained. Right, Well, what's the point of doing it?
You you got the daily grind, the nine to five,
the the rat race, and so you want to be
part of something and and spend a little bit of time,
a little bit of time where you're just you're enjoying yourself.
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And if you can combine those two things, which I'm
not saying that we do, but if while you're working
with a lot of truck drivers that listen to the show,
that are going all over right from sea to Shining
Sea and beyond, and I always love when they I'll
get a message from a truck driver and be like, hey,
you know, I listen to show and it helps me
get through four hours of my horrifically terrible drive going
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from Kalamazoo to tim Buck two and it's you know,
terrible and all the stuff. So that that is pretty cool.
I do appreciate that. Uh. Now, the mail bag is
on Sunday, as we press on here on the fifth hour,
so the mail bag is on Sunday. But I did
have one message that cannot wait for the mail bag,
so let's get into it. Let's jump into this a
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little bit early. Dan who lives in southern California. Now
he says he lives in Westwood, which is a very
bougie neighborhood. If you're not familiar with geography in California,
that is where you see l A is located. I
think you could probably know that if you're a sports person,
because or you should know that rather because the Wizard
of Westwood, John Wooden, and with that is the actrop.
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Dan wrote in. This is actually um about ten days ago,
and I didn't get to it last week, so I'll
get to it here before I forget. So Dan wrote in,
and he was ripping my obsession with the Code of
the West. Now this is another one of those things,
another one of my michigas, as my late grandfather would say,
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where I will reference the Code of the West on
a regular basis, and I think it's an important thing
and it's it's something I model my life after many
of the the laws, if you will, of the Code
of the West. And I look into that. And so anyway,
Dan in Westwood, he wrote in and he said that
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I the Code of the West is nice, but John
Wooden's seven point Creed is better, and that I should
credit wouldn't because what Wooden did was better than the
Code of the West and all that stuff, and I
should talk talk more about John Wooden's seven point Creed. No,
I wouldn't passed away. A number years ago, I was
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lucky enough to have Wooden as a guest on the
radio and very cool. And I love the stories about
John Wooden. The last couple of years of his life.
He lived right near the Fox Sports Radio studios and
the Sherman Sherman Oaks neighborhood of of l A. And
he lived up in the hill and he come down
and eat. And I heard from multiple people around Fox
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Sports Radio that they'd run into John Wooden, greatest college
basketball coach of all time, and Wooden would be eating
like fried chicken or a cheeseburger and fries, and and
they're like, well, I can't believe he's doing that. He's
like nineties something years old and here he is eating
the most unhealthy diet. And I love that because when
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you get you get to a certain age, you don't
have to worry about the long game anymore. When you
get closer to the pearly gates, you no longer have
to worry about, Hey, is this gonna hit me in
ten years or fifteen years or twenty years, Am I
gonna be Okay? No, you don't worry about that, So
I John wouldn't live that anyone. Get back to the story.
I'm sorry, Dan, I gotta carry away there anyway, So
Dan again points out that John Wooden seven point Creed
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throughout the lengthy Here, I'm gonna give you some of
the the cliff notes Virgin here the seven point Creed
is better than the Code of the West, and he
wants me to use on the show. Blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
All right, So I will engage you, Dan, and you're
listening to the fifth hour. So I have dug up
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the the John Wooden John Wooden's seven point Creed, and
I also have, of course the Code of the West.
And then we'll do a side and by side comparison.
Now I admit going in, I'm biased. I am biased.
I've heard of the John Wooden seven point Creed. But
the Code of the West resonated with me. It resonated
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with me more I I attached myself to it as
the pearls of wisdom UH in life. But I'll give
you the John Wooden seven point Creed first, and then
we'll give you the Code of the West. So the
seven point Creed from John Wooden, UH number number seven
is pray for guidance and count and give thanks for
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your blessings every day, would be grateful. That's essentially what
he's saying with number seven. Number six was build a
shelter against a rainy day. You also had to make
friendship a fine art. Drink deeply from good books, especially
the Bible. So a lot of religious undertones or overtones,
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depending how you look at it. Make each day your masterpiece. Now,
that is the most famous of the seven point creed
of John Wooden, that is the one that has had legs.
Make each day your masterpiece. Uh. There's also help others
and the final part of John Wooden's seven point creeds
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be true to yourself. Now, make each day your masterpieces
great hell paying others, Yeah, you should help others, be
true to yourself. Those are all good things. Good books,
you know. That's that's great. And he mentioned the Bible
here and all. I have nothing against all of that.
But the Code of the West, for Dan and Westwood,
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the Code of the West blows the doors off the
seven point creed. Right. I'll give you some of the
the tenants of the Code of the West. It's no
when to draw the line, No when to draw the line?
Is that not an important thing in life to know
when to draw the line. I say yes, I say
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yes on that, remember that some things aren't for sale. Yeah. Otherwise,
don't whore yourself out right that you don't. You don't
have to whore yourself out for everything in life, in business,
you gotta have pride. There's there's there has to be
some kind of limit, is what I'm trying to say. Now,
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there's also this part of the Code of the talk
less and say more, which is a version of what
I learned at my Heart University. When in doubt, keep
it out. When in doubt, keep it out. But essentially,
less is more ride for the brand. Now, what does
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that one mean? Does that mean the family? Does that
mean who you work for? Does that mean all of
the above? Also on the Code of the West, when
you make a promise, keep it And that's important. You
want to be a person that is reliable, dependable, and
all that stuff. Also, be tough but fair. Be tough
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but fair. That's an important one. Also, you don't want
to be the carpet that people walk all over, right,
But you also don't want to be a hard oh
that everyone hates. And as soon as you leave the room,
they're like, what an asshole that particular person was. Holy crap,
So be tough but fair. What's not to like about that? Uh.
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Here's one I use all the time. It's a very
important one on the code of the West. Do what
has to be done, do what happens, what has to
be done. And to me, that means it's not always
gonna be beautiful. It's not always gonna be pretty, it's
not gonna be great, but you gotta do it right,
you gotta do it, do what has to be done.
There's also always finish what you start. That's an important
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one and it ties back to don't cut corners. You
should not cut corners. That's a bad job by you
don't do it. Uh. And so that's important. And don't
give up. Finish if you start something, whatever it is,
whether it's a radio show or a project around the
house at d I Y do it yourself project, finish
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what you start. Uh. There's also take pride in your work,
which is another important one. If you're gonna put your
name on it and put your blood, sweat, in tears
into something, then you should take pride in it. You
should absolutely take pride in it. And if you don't,
that's a bad job by you. And then the the
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final tenant of the good Book, the Code of the
West is to live each day with courage, and that's
important too. Uh do what has to be done is
to me the most important finish what you start, which
is the same. It's kind of one in one of
the same on that, but but many of those are
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again just to recap Dan, we did decide by side
comparison as I expected. As I expected, the Code of
the West wins the day. The Code of the West
wins the day. Anyway, we're gonna put the baby to bed.
It's a holiday weekend. We will have a more original
audio content if you have the podcast now before I forget.
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If you would like a personalized mini Mallard analogue, I
can do that for you. On Cameo, I haven't promoted
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I want a cameo. And if you got a birthday
coming up, if you're you know somebody who's a fan
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I haven't raised my rate uh in a long time,
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We need to fill up a mailbag, and inevitably we
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We do have some time restraints. Typically the person I
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it up, or has some other podcasts which he thinks
is more important that he needs to work on. So
but on this podcast, uh, you know, we we try
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have the surprising request. The surprising request from a listener.
It's really not a request, that's I'm not phrasing that properly.
It's really a message from a listener of complaint. But
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I have to set the listeners straight. So I'll explain
what that's all about. But we begin with final preparations. Now,
if you have been listening to me over the years,
you know that there is a ritual that we have
on our show. It was on the radio show for
many many years, and then we moved it to the podcast,
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and then we shifted it to a YouTube platform. I'm
referring to announce your pronouns Benny Versus the Penny, and
the season is going to kick off next weekend. So
if you're listening to this podcast on Friday, assuming there
are no last minute hiccuffs and things don't go wrong,
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we will have Benny Versus the Penny. It's not going
to be on this podcast unless something has gone typically wrong.
We are in conversations in conversations with others to put
the podcast together, which is not it's not a party,
it's the Benny Versus the Penny, which is a standalone show,
will be a video a component to it, and we
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will yet again attempt to take down the sports books
and we can remind you of some of the keys
of that. Of course, as we point out every year
on Benny Versus the Penny, that the sports book sets
the opening line, but the gambling public is the one
that establishes the final line. A lot of people are
confused by that, uh, and there's this overconfidence based on
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the gambling line. But we'll get into all of the
different truisms of gambling and uh, you know, think in
terms of betting a little to win a lot and
the types of gambler that are out there. And one
of the things that we stress on Benny Versus the
Penny is to avoid being the one wearing the dunce
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cap right in in gambling, it's very similar to Wall Street.
They love the casual gambler, they love the Cambel casual gambler,
and they call it get that dub dumb money right
the book. He's love the school air, the square is
the average unsophisticated gambler whose decision making is based on
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a hunch or some kind of manipulation. Uh. He might
have a system, or you just watch some guy on
ESPN or Fox or CBS or NBC say something said, Well,
like I said it, it must be true. Uh, and
then you you go down that garden path and you
end up getting some trouble. So we'll give you Benny
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Versus the Penny. I wish I had a big announcement now.
A good talk show host would say, Hey, it's going
to be at this time on this platform, so you
better tune in. But that's not what we're doing. We're
still working out the final details even at this hour,
and it will be onwards and upwards for Benny versus
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the Penny, and I am excited about it. I love
Benny versus the Penny because that means football is in
the air, all right, and we want to make you
a professional winning gamble. Now, not a square, right we
mentioned a square is the person that the casinos love.
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They love the square gambler. You do not want to
be the square, right, You want to be a sharp.
The sharps are usually members of a big syndicate. They
have the the insider information and all that the weather, developments, injuries,
all of the important information. You want to be more
like that? Not that. Am I a sharp? No, I'm
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not as sharp. Of course I'm not as sharp, but uh,
I got a pretty good amount of information. I have
access to a lot of information. So hey, that's Benny
versus the Penny. And just if you've been asking, I
know we've gotten some people that have been sending me
messages on social media. What's going on with Benny versus
the Penny? Uh? Is it gonna be back? Yes, it
will be back. Where is it gonna be? I can't
say that yet. As I said, I can't say it yet,
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but you will be no worse for the wear you
will find out follow us on social media. I will
send it out on Twitter, I'll send it out on
Facebook and even Instagram. And let you know. Now, if
you listen to the radio show this past week, you
you heard Eddie Garcia. Was Eddie happy on the Friday
show or what? Eddie was so excited at one ft
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out the door, one ft out the door as he
is preparing for a vacation. Eddie's going to Washington d
C infective and reminded if he didn't hear the Friday show,
and I know this is on Friday as well, but
Eddie did say, if you're a listener within driving distance
of Washington, d C, Eddie is willing to hang out
with you. He met Doc Mike in Chicago and Aida
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pizza while Doc ad a salad, which was was very awkward.
But Eddie is going to be away. It's Eddie's wild vacation,
which means the most important week on our calendar, the
most important week for sports talk radio. I'm gonna go
out and say, for the rest of the year, is
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this mean week? Now? Why is that? Why is this
the most important week? I'll tell you. The sports talk
radio industry is built on the foundation of the NFL.
We all rally around the National Football League, and it
takes a village of people to put this together. Like
the networks, they encourage you to take your vacation in
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the summertime. Now a lot of people take vacation. I
will take time off in late December because a lot
of things shut down. So there's this weird dead period
in football season. Is this weird dead football period in
the middle of the season there, and Uh. The thing
about it, all right is that's that's okay for like
(07:45):
a week, but the beginning of the year, you want
to get off to a good start. You want to
get off you want to mean business, right, you want
to get out of the gates, out of you know,
and feel good about yourself. It's like the way college
football teams typically schedule money game is early on. Uh,
they line up the hostess, schedule the cupcake, the apple pie,
(08:06):
all of that because they want to get off to
you start feel good and get a couple of wins
under your belt before you start getting some difficult, more
difficult competition. Well, the same thing goes on in sports radio, right,
It's very important to get off to a good start.
You want to have everything clicking sounding good. Um, there's
more commercials that you'll hear during this time of the year.
So we've Draft Kings, which is a fine sponsor not
(08:28):
only of the radio show but also the Fifth Hour
podcast as an example. Um, so it's an important time here.
But anyway is gonna be gone, and that means we
will be stuck with Ned Flanders, the buckaroo, the man
that believes he's God's gift to comedy, will be in
(08:48):
the news room providing us with sporting news. So it's
one of those deals when he's in here, Brian Finley,
give us twenty two minutes and we'll give you seven scores.
That's essentially how that's gonna go. But again, it's the
most important week of the NFL season, and we will
have live, original audio content every single night during the weekend,
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and we'll hand over the baton. Eddie's handing over the
baton to someone that will sabotage the show, So we
were guaranteeing that there will be sabotage. Also, I've got
a number of messages from people saying, is that blind
on Blind Octagon a real thing? Is that actually gonna happen?
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And if you miss the overnight show this week, we
had a brew haa haa a Donny Brook a knock down,
drag out battle royal if you will, between Blind Scott
and Blind Sea Bass. Now, Blind Sea Bass is in Nashville.
He stopped calling the show for a while. All of
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a sudden, a Blind Sea Bass entered the Fray again
and has returned to the show, and he's very upset
with Blind Scott because blind Scott and Boston. According to
blind Sea Bass was supposed to help him get a
support dog, and then blind Scott like disappeared. I don't
know all the facts, but I just know there's bad
blood and blind Scott called up and he was like, Hey,
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I'm not gonna I'm not gonna partake in this. And
then of course blind Scott then talked himself into doing it.
He talked himself into doing it, and I'm all about it.
I think it would be a great week to do it.
Blind Sea Bass Blind Scott the first blind on blind
Verbal Octagon. If you're unfamiliar with the Verbal Octagon, it
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is audio fisticuffs and it's all like don'keet kong uh.
It's one of the more enjoyable things that we do,
and it's essentially a way to settle a beef. Be honest. Here,
we've had women in calling. We had Tammy and Montana,
(11:01):
the late Genie in Medford in the octagon. That was
one of the more famous ones. Pete and Pittsburgh versus
the World was was great. We had real talk who
was in an octagon back in the day. There's been
been many different versions of the Octagon, but We've never
had a blind on blind version, so I want to
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make that happen. I'm thinking Monday into Tuesday or Tuesday
into Wednesday. That would be the perfect set up. Three rounds,
a knockdown, drag out steel cage deathmatch in the octagon.
So hopefully that will we'll take place down. Meanwhile, let's
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get to the secret sauce, if you will, the Secret Sauce.
So this is another one of those things I've been
meaning to get to and I have not gotten to it.
A number of people have said, hey, the show that
you do is a lot different than many of the
other radio shows, which is which could be a compliment
at its best, which means as good as all the
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rest or or could be a derogatory term at its worst, right,
So I guess it just depends how you want to
interpret it. So I am going to interpret it that
that is a compliment that if you've you've bothered to
send me a message via social media or email and said, hey,
I like you know X, Y and Z about the show, uh,
(12:31):
and it's different and why is it different? What makes
it different and all that stuff. So I've gotten a
few of those messages and I meant to get to it,
and we've had other things and so I have not
gotten to it. We certainly don't reinvent a wheel. And
I'm not saying that what we do is any better
than anyone else. Everyone has their own desires and own
their their own taste and all that stuff. And people
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full of hot air, right, We're all full of hot air.
We're all gas bags and blowhards with tremendous ounce of
verbosity on the radio show. But to give you the answer,
and I I used this in honor of Doc Mike.
We had actually considered putting Doc on this podcast Full Disclosure,
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Doc Mike, uh, and he was unavailable because he was traveling.
And then I was like, well, maybe we'll put Blair
and Made on. In fact, we had booked Blair and
Maine for this podcast, and then Blair and Maine decided
to turn his phone off at the time we were
supposed to interview Blair made It's hard to interview a
guy when his phone is turned off, so that didn't happen. Um,
(13:40):
So anyway, we got to the point, so I said,
this is the time, said we have a little extra
time now on this Friday podcast. So let's get into it.
And in honor of Doc Mike, the keys to a
good sports talk radio show, or any radio show for
that matter, it's the P principles P E E. Now,
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this is not to be confused with the kiss method.
Keep it simple stupid. That's the kiss method, which is
from the Navy, and I love that and I use
that quite a bit, and it's it's true, keep it
simple stupid. But this is the P principle in honor
of Doc Mike, a regular caller to the show, who
has pointed out many many times that he enjoys drinking
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bodily fluids. And he is convinced, and and Doc has
has said this off the air as much as he
said it on the air, that he believes he will
live to be a very very old man. Doc's getting
up there in age now. When Doc called me, he
was in his mid mid mid age. Now he's getting
up there. But he swears, okay, Doc Mike swears that
he's gonna gonna live to be like a hundred ten
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hundred fifteen or older than that because of because of urine.
But anyway, the P principle get to the point. Please,
the pre principle is passion. That's the p right. You
can't fake it, and that's a big part of the
secret sauce. If you have disinterests. I believe this is
true in anything in life. It just happens that my
chosen profession is radio or broadcasting in general. But if
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you have disinterest, it will show in your work. And
that's true whether you're an athlete, playing in a game,
whether you're a truck driver, whether you're cleaning toilets, waiting tables,
working in an office. If you're disinterested, that will show.
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People will know that you're disinterested, and that uncaring attitude
is toxic. It is absolutely toxic. So passion is a
big part of this. And I had a program director
that drilled this into me early in my career and
it's something that I it's very important lesson and it
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oozes out. It literally oozes out on a regular basis.
But this programming out there, he pulled me aside. He said, listen, Uh,
it's very difficult to keep an audience. But there's one
thing that you can do is be authentic. Have have
the passion right. And he said he's listen. If you
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have apathy and disregard for the things that you're talking about.
Why would a person listening I want to keep listening.
That is the biggest way to turn the dial or
to turn off a podcast and go somewhere else. That
is the click. And that's not the click you want.
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That's not the click of approval. That's the click of
I'm gonna go find something else. And it is true
right there now, there's there are droughts. I'm not gonna
sit here and lie and say that every single day
is wonderful. There are droughts when the sporting news is
not as sexy, it doesn't have the razmatazz, it's not
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as exciting, but it's never barren. Now, I lived in
an era of sports radio where it was barren, and
that was back in the stone age, before social media,
before the Internet and all that stuff. And we're all
looking for content. We're all going down the same avenues,
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the same highways and byways trying to find content. But
there was a time when people just depended on newspapers
and there was the AP, sports Wire and Sports Ticker,
and I worked at the mighty six ninety. I started
as an intern in San Diego and worked my way around,
and that was the Sahara Desert. That was as barren
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like the Sahara Desert, uh and it was very difficult.
At times you had to wait praying there would be
some kind of ap breaking news message that would carry
you through the day. It's not like that. Now. There's
a whole lot of places to look. There's more places
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to look than ever before. But there's there's good stories
out there. But again, that ties into passion. It ties
into passion. You gotta have the passion. If you have apathy,
you're done. You're done and again, and not for just sports,
but for anything else. The second thing, as the p
principles provided to you exclusively on the fifth Hour with
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Ben Mallory, Enthusiasm. Now that might not mean what you
think that. To me, what that means is you have
something to say. It ties into the passion, right, passionate
enthusiasm pretty similar, But enthusiasm. I put that in the
category where you don't want to be on the fence. Okay,
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you don't want to be on the fence that you're
not in Switzerland and you have the good cop and
the bad cop. You have the good guys and the
bad guys, and you don't want to be walking down
the middle of the road and just go through the
motions and you not not have an opinion. Now you
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shouldn't fake an opinion. But if you don't have a
strong opinion about something, and I believe this to be true,
what are you doing? Like? It drives me crazy. I've
worked with people over the years and I'll bring something
up and I'm excited about it and they'll be I
don't occur, And that ties back into the pay passion apathy, right,
you don't want to have you don't want to have.
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The apathy that is the destroyer of fun is apathy.
You don't wanna do that. So that always drives me nuts.
But it's enthusiasm, right, and genuinely have enthusiasm and don't
fake it. And also you gotta pay attention to detail
and all that stuff. Have a little bit of vim
and vigor uh with with your statements. I mean, that's
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also all tied into enthusiasm. And the final part of
the pay principle of sports radio is in it tayment.
And this is the most important thing. And I don't
listen to a lot of sports talk radio because I
work in the business. I listen to a little bit.
And I hear a lot of people that are more
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worried about getting stats in and being the smartest person
in the room, and they put entertainment as a secondary thing.
And that is a huge mistake, a huge mistake, and
it ties back to the the times we're in right now,
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right And as as much as I said you can
get all kinds of status you want on the internet
and all that stuff, it is true. Uh, And if
you're going to tune in, whether it's this podcast or
the radio show or just any kind of audio program
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or for that matter, of television, you are giving away
the most valuable thing you have. The most valuable thing
you have. We say it all the time is your time.
You don't know how much of it you have, you
don't know when it's gonna end, and there's a finite
amount of it. So for you to give some of
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your listenership, some of your time for a program, you
gotta be entertained. Right, Well, what's the point of doing it?
You you got the daily grind, the nine to five,
the the rat race, and so you want to be
part of something and and spend a little bit of time,
a little bit of time where you're just you're enjoying yourself.
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And if you can combine those two things, which I'm
not saying that we do, but if while you're working
with a lot of truck drivers that listen to the show,
that are going all over right from sea to Shining
Sea and beyond, and I always love when they I'll
get a message from a truck driver and be like, hey,
you know, I listen to show and it helps me
get through four hours of my horrifically terrible drive going
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from Kalamazoo to tim Buck two and it's you know,
terrible and all the stuff. So that that is pretty cool.
I do appreciate that. Uh. Now, the mail bag is
on Sunday, as we press on here on the fifth hour,
so the mail bag is on Sunday. But I did
have one message that cannot wait for the mail bag,
so let's get into it. Let's jump into this a
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little bit early. Dan who lives in southern California. Now
he says he lives in Westwood, which is a very
bougie neighborhood. If you're not familiar with geography in California,
that is where you see l A is located. I
think you could probably know that if you're a sports person,
because or you should know that rather because the Wizard
of Westwood, John Wooden, and with that is the actrop.
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Dan wrote in. This is actually um about ten days ago,
and I didn't get to it last week, so I'll
get to it here before I forget. So Dan wrote in,
and he was ripping my obsession with the Code of
the West. Now this is another one of those things,
another one of my michigas, as my late grandfather would say,
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where I will reference the Code of the West on
a regular basis, and I think it's an important thing
and it's it's something I model my life after many
of the the laws, if you will, of the Code
of the West. And I look into that. And so anyway,
Dan in Westwood, he wrote in and he said that
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I the Code of the West is nice, but John
Wooden's seven point Creed is better, and that I should
credit wouldn't because what Wooden did was better than the
Code of the West and all that stuff, and I
should talk talk more about John Wooden's seven point Creed. No,
I wouldn't passed away. A number years ago, I was
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lucky enough to have Wooden as a guest on the
radio and very cool. And I love the stories about
John Wooden. The last couple of years of his life.
He lived right near the Fox Sports Radio studios and
the Sherman Sherman Oaks neighborhood of of l A. And
he lived up in the hill and he come down
and eat. And I heard from multiple people around Fox
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Sports Radio that they'd run into John Wooden, greatest college
basketball coach of all time, and Wooden would be eating
like fried chicken or a cheeseburger and fries, and and
they're like, well, I can't believe he's doing that. He's
like nineties something years old and here he is eating
the most unhealthy diet. And I love that because when
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you get you get to a certain age, you don't
have to worry about the long game anymore. When you
get closer to the pearly gates, you no longer have
to worry about, Hey, is this gonna hit me in
ten years or fifteen years or twenty years, Am I
gonna be Okay? No, you don't worry about that, So
I John wouldn't live that anyone. Get back to the story.
I'm sorry, Dan, I gotta carry away there anyway, So
Dan again points out that John Wooden seven point Creed
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throughout the lengthy Here, I'm gonna give you some of
the the cliff notes Virgin here the seven point Creed
is better than the Code of the West, and he
wants me to use on the show. Blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
All right, So I will engage you, Dan, and you're
listening to the fifth hour. So I have dug up
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the the John Wooden John Wooden's seven point Creed, and
I also have, of course the Code of the West.
And then we'll do a side and by side comparison.
Now I admit going in, I'm biased. I am biased.
I've heard of the John Wooden seven point Creed. But
the Code of the West resonated with me. It resonated
(25:51):
with me more I I attached myself to it as
the pearls of wisdom UH in life. But I'll give
you the John Wooden seven point Creed first, and then
we'll give you the Code of the West. So the
seven point Creed from John Wooden, UH number number seven
is pray for guidance and count and give thanks for
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your blessings every day, would be grateful. That's essentially what
he's saying with number seven. Number six was build a
shelter against a rainy day. You also had to make
friendship a fine art. Drink deeply from good books, especially
the Bible. So a lot of religious undertones or overtones,
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depending how you look at it. Make each day your masterpiece. Now,
that is the most famous of the seven point creed
of John Wooden, that is the one that has had legs.
Make each day your masterpiece. Uh. There's also help others
and the final part of John Wooden's seven point creeds
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be true to yourself. Now, make each day your masterpieces
great hell paying others, Yeah, you should help others, be
true to yourself. Those are all good things. Good books,
you know. That's that's great. And he mentioned the Bible
here and all. I have nothing against all of that.
But the Code of the West, for Dan and Westwood,
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the Code of the West blows the doors off the
seven point creed. Right. I'll give you some of the
the tenants of the Code of the West. It's no
when to draw the line, No when to draw the line?
Is that not an important thing in life to know
when to draw the line. I say yes, I say
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yes on that, remember that some things aren't for sale. Yeah. Otherwise,
don't whore yourself out right that you don't. You don't
have to whore yourself out for everything in life, in business,
you gotta have pride. There's there's there has to be
some kind of limit, is what I'm trying to say. Now,
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there's also this part of the Code of the talk
less and say more, which is a version of what
I learned at my Heart University. When in doubt, keep
it out. When in doubt, keep it out. But essentially,
less is more ride for the brand. Now, what does
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that one mean? Does that mean the family? Does that
mean who you work for? Does that mean all of
the above? Also on the Code of the West, when
you make a promise, keep it And that's important. You
want to be a person that is reliable, dependable, and
all that stuff. Also, be tough but fair. Be tough
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but fair. That's an important one. Also, you don't want
to be the carpet that people walk all over, right,
But you also don't want to be a hard oh
that everyone hates. And as soon as you leave the room,
they're like, what an asshole that particular person was. Holy crap,
So be tough but fair. What's not to like about that? Uh.
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Here's one I use all the time. It's a very
important one on the code of the West. Do what
has to be done, do what happens, what has to
be done. And to me, that means it's not always
gonna be beautiful. It's not always gonna be pretty, it's
not gonna be great, but you gotta do it right,
you gotta do it, do what has to be done.
There's also always finish what you start. That's an important
(29:27):
one and it ties back to don't cut corners. You
should not cut corners. That's a bad job by you
don't do it. Uh. And so that's important. And don't
give up. Finish if you start something, whatever it is,
whether it's a radio show or a project around the
house at d I Y do it yourself project, finish
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what you start. Uh. There's also take pride in your work,
which is another important one. If you're gonna put your
name on it and put your blood, sweat, in tears
into something, then you should take pride in it. You
should absolutely take pride in it. And if you don't,
that's a bad job by you. And then the the
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final tenant of the good Book, the Code of the
West is to live each day with courage, and that's
important too. Uh do what has to be done is
to me the most important finish what you start, which
is the same. It's kind of one in one of
the same on that, but but many of those are
(30:33):
again just to recap Dan, we did decide by side
comparison as I expected. As I expected, the Code of
the West wins the day. The Code of the West
wins the day. Anyway, we're gonna put the baby to bed.
It's a holiday weekend. We will have a more original
audio content if you have the podcast now before I forget.
(30:56):
If you would like a personalized mini Mallard analogue, I
can do that for you. On Cameo, I haven't promoted
Cameo in a while. Every once in a while somebody
will said, hey, I'm I I'm a fan of the show.
I want a cameo. And if you got a birthday
coming up, if you're you know somebody who's a fan
of the show and you think they would appreciate it, uh,
(31:17):
we would love to do it for you. It's a
personalized video message. I typically try to do these things
in Mallard monologue style. Uh. So you you gotta give
me a little bit to work with, but we will
do it for It's not free, doesn't cost that much.
I haven't raised my rate uh in a long time,
so it's been pretty pretty consistent. I raised my rate
one time because Cameo took more money out of it. So, uh,
(31:40):
it's nothing I'm gonna get rich on anything like that.
But you can't send us a request on Cameo would
love to help you out. Also, don't forget Instagram, Ben
Maller on Fox. You can check out some photographs and
other random things on Instagram. The Facebook page, that's what
we use a lot for this podcast. The many of
(32:01):
the emails that we get, most of them come from
the Facebook page that are posted on the show Facebook page,
which again is Ben Mallard Show. And every Tuesday, typically
early in the day, I will send out a request
and say, hey, wow, how don't you send me questions?
(32:21):
We need to fill up a mailbag, and inevitably we
will get a number of questions. And now people have
been emailing the fifth Hour email address. The Fifth Hour
email address if you have not written that down, it's
real Fifth Hour at gmail dot com. That is exclusive
for this podcast. So if you have a question, you
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don't have to wait until Tuesday. Much like the lame
jokes that we do on the radio show, if something
pops into your head on today, like today's today's a Friday,
and if something pops just send it or Saturday or
Sunday and we'll use it possibly for the next next podcast.
(33:03):
Can't guarantee it. Get a lot of email. We try
to go through as many of them as we can.
We do have some time restraints. Typically the person I
do the podcast with is demanding two uh to wrap
it up, or has some other podcasts which he thinks
is more important that he needs to work on. So
but on this podcast, uh, you know, we we try
(33:24):
to get as many as we can, but there are
time shows. Anyway, we'll put the baby to bed. Have
a wonderful, glorious rest of your Saturday. We hope you
enjoyed the podcast. Here the p Principles in honor of
Doc Mike and slaying John Wooden's seven point Create Compared
(33:44):
to the Code of the West and all the other
things that we got to We'll catch you on the
Saturday edition of the Fifth Hour. Aloha
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