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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, just after four o'clock, Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards, Benny
Fowler in studio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Like I said, we'll get to this. Lewis Ridgcks down
just a little bit. We asked you.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
About Evan Ingram, but as we mentioned, you've played with
all these guys. So tell me a little bit about
Drake green Law for example, who, by the way, on
his Instagram just a little bit ago, posted a younger
photo of him looked like little league football. We're in
a Broncos jersey, which pretty cool, awesweet, you know, full
circle moment for him. That's that's awesome. When I think
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about Drake Greenlaw. I was only in San Francisco for
a little bit so OTA's training camp, but this is
one This is what I can say about Drake Greenlaw.
And when you think about and I played with these
guys for four years, A TJ. Ward a key to
leave where you are practicing against these guys and you're
wondering if you are on the same team because of
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how hard they compete, and you're like, wait, do we
are we friends or are we teammates? That's how Drake
Greenlaw practices. And that's the type of is that he's
going to bring to his defense and when you think
about it, accountability in the way that he is going
to play, the way he is going to practice. That
is the next step in this team's evolution in terms
of getting better winning a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So I'm excited to see what Drake Greenlaw does.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
And you just think about just a fierce, competitive guy.
I mean, I don't know if you guys have watched
any of the Instagram stuff where he's slapping his helmet.
I mean, he is just and he's always going to
be around the ball, so he's not going to accept
any laziness. I'm excited for him. I'm excited to see
what he does. It's a good thing to have on
the team. Did you have a story? I mean I
was curious because obviously coming from a little bit of
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different era where they did hit receivers and they enjoyed
hitting receivers, maybe even in practice a little bit. You
have got teammates like that or it's just like, oh, yeah,
are we friends or are we all the same team?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Absolutely? I played with safety by the name of Tom Darden.
Tom played in Michigan Fierce, right fierce, and you know what,
but it was a completely different time, right. I mean
he he lit me up in practice on a on
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a basic route and I mean crush me, and I
mean it was it was I didn't even hit the
ground before. It was like on, I'm trying to rip
like his tonsiles out of his neck. Uh, and he's
doing the same thing to me. And he was a
friend of mine, I mean, and still to this day
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is a friend of mine. But it was it was
just a difference really, the way we used to practice,
when you step back and think about it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Now, makes absolutely no sense.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Right, we're full padded practice twice a day, and we've
taken everybody to the ground, not quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers.
It's full go when you go team period, everybody's going
to the ground because you're going to get tackled.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So you know, it just didn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
But I agree with Benny Andre Greenlaw, I mean from
all accounts, and I've never played with him, obviously, but
you need a guy that has, you know, that edge
and has a little bit you can tell they can
be great guys, but you can tell you can tell
a lot about a guy in his eyes, right, and
you see his eyes when things get as we used
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to say, rich, you want two or three of those
dudes on your side.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
You know what I also love about a Dre Greenlaw
pick is not only the talent, but when you're talking
about building an incredible culture in a real program.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You need these types of players.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And that's when you really take the next step in
terms of somebody who's been to a couple of Super Bowls,
somebody who knows how to rest recover, somebody who can
take and hold people accountable and hold himself accountable. I mean,
he was a part of the one of the best
diet you know, linebacker duos in recent years with him
and Fred Warner and you know Ken he won that
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Super Bowl because Drake Greenlaw went out and they lost
their edge and you could see it. You saw Patrick
Mahomes say it, and then you saw it on their side,
they couldn't believe that they lost, you.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Know, one of their fearless leaders.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
But this is also a culture fit, and Sean is
you know, he's establishing the culture with these types of
players and who fund it as well.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I think that's another culture fits.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Somebody who fits in, who's smart, who's always around the ball,
who can make plays.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I didn't really know him as well.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
He was a rookie win my last year, so I
only got a chance to see him a Littleit didn't
see him in any live game action, but I know
he's always around the ball and that's what we want well,
and that's something we discussed Dave about the tail end
of the season. The Broncos defense seemed to get pushed
around a little bit there, especially.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
In the run game, and so I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
If it's an attitude thing, if that was I mean
some of the guys maybe a little bit banged up.
I mean, you were missing your starting inside linebracker at
that point, and maybe that was the eventual reality. Maybe
you'd overachieved to that point with your line backing corps
when you're missing a starter for most of the season.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, I mean they play the Broncos if you look
at him last year, they played most of the year
with And this is not disparaging either guy, but Cody
Barton and Justin Strenette. Barton signed with Tennessee, so he's gone.
And I thought there were I mean, I thought there
were times that they both played pretty well. Right, Cody
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made Cody made a lot of plays, and I thought
Justin for not really. I mean I was concerned about
Justin because he'd been here and not really. He hadn't
been a guy that got much take on defense. He
was special teams guy. Well there's I mean, normally there's
a reason for that. But you know, I mean early,
especially early when he got in very active.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I thought, when you look at.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Him, you'd say, like, I don't know if he can
hold up, if he's stout enough to hold up, especially
when you're playing an odd man front.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But but I thought he thought he did well.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I thought they wore down a bit as the season
went on, and I thought the game against the Chargers
on the road, that was a tough game for the
second level of the Broncos defense.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Absolutely, they I mean for the most part. I know that.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
The back got a word sus Edwards got away from
him late in the game on a long run. But
for the most part, the box held up running the ball.
But they had guys running. I mean, you broadcast games
and you're looking around and you're seeing those guys running
wide open, which make it really really way too easy
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for a guy like Justin Herbert. But I mean I
think Drake Greenlaw again. You know, as as Minnie said,
when you have that kind of guy, it becomes infectious
and then you have everybody from a defensive standpoint, I mean,
the first time Drake Greenlaw like pile drives an opposing
running back.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Is on, I mean, you're gonna have a lot of like.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Juice from that sideline and from the defensive huddle. That's
how you have to play defense in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yep, He's going to bring that edge, you know, Dave,
I'd be curious just to hear your thoughts in terms
of teams that you've been on, teams that you've coached,
on culture and really building a culture and what you
see from Sean and you know going into year three.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, I mean, I'll comment on the on the what
Sean's doing. I think I think it had to happen.
And I think when when your ownership publicly talks about it,
when he hires you and he gives you a lot
of money, and he talks about we brought Sean in,
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and one of the things that he mentions more than
once was changing the culture of the organization. And I
think I think Greg Pinner is you know, and Carrie
his wife carry Walton Pinner. Very smart people, great business people,
but they've stepped back, I think initially and let Sean
kind of do his thing even in the building. And
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I think, I mean, for the most part, I think
it's worked. But what I think you're seeing now is
you're seeing guys that he wants their their air quote
Sean Payton. Guys being brought into this organization. And I
mean you you want your and I say this with
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all affection, you want your crazy dudes on defense.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, you want those guys. You know that.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
If I mean, if you, if you're gonna walk down
this alley and you're not sure what's on the other
end of the alley, you get to pick two guys,
two teammates to walk down there with you. For the
most part, both those teammates are going to be defensive guys.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
And green Law's that guy. You're for sure picking him first.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
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the house. I want to ask you one more player.
The Broncos acquired Trent Sherfield, who you also good time
with as we have been Benny Fowler here in studio.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So what do we get here with Trent Sherfield.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I think Trent is a locker room, another culture fit,
somebody who is a role player. He's gunner, So think
of him as a gunner on special teams.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Think of him as the L five R.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Five on kickoff, which is that first person next to
the kicker in terms of running down and making that tackle.
He's going to be the first person downfield making the tackle.
But incredible special teams player, super hard worker. He will
be the last person off the field every single day.
When I was in San Francisco, he's catching a couple
hundred passes one hand, left hand, whatever it may be,
right hand, left hand, I should say, incredible worker, team
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first guy. You know he'll catch ten to fifteen passes
next year. But be a blocker, inline blocker, and he'll
make his impact on special teams and he'll be flying
on the field on all four phases of the games
held Blaloker. By the way, if you get a chance
to watch any of the film of him out there
on the offensive side of the ball, that's that's not
something that's not something.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
The Broncos are gonna have to worry about. And I
do like that work ethic part of it.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And honestly, David, I mean that's those are are the
kind of guys, the unsung heroes of every team, right
that they're willing to do that kind of work.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Lill Jordan Humphrey, and I mean he's still free agent, right,
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
He talked about putting on some weight, becoming a tight
end the no un I keep going back and forth
on that.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I gotta get your thoughts on that.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
But Tris Sherfield seems like that kind of guy, in
that kind of vein I.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Think you, I mean, you have to have some great players.
You can never have too many guys that are your
core group of dudes that you can count on. They're accountable,
they play through, you know, nagging injuries when they're out there,
they make plays, they're smart, they know exactly what they're doing.
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You never worry about getting up and having, you know,
the director's security call at five o'clock in the morning
and say, yeah, get a little bit of bad news on.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
You know, you don't want that call. Are you talking
about me right now?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
No? No, you were? You were?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You weren't.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I was walking about all the positive characters.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I mean in his career here.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, the kind of role that I fit in.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Even Actually the we call ourselves the Horseman, not the
four Horsemen, but myself, Jordan Norwood, Cody Latimer, Andre Caldwell.
We prided ourselves on, hey, we're not going to be
Batman and Robin, you know, DT and Emanuel.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
We are going to support them and be there for Peyton.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
But I'm pretty much doing all the dirty work in
the grunt work, which is what you need to have
an incredible receiving corner. I think Trent Shirtfield is one
of that guys. I think that little Jordan Humphrey, this
is an upgrade. This is somebody who is a better
special teams player, please us, Ryan Edwards is this is
a this is a a upgrade in terms of Jordan
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Humphrey in terms of blocking, what he will do in
terms of assignments, and then also just being a better
special teams player and playing on all four phases.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
But I do like l J. He's a former teammate
of mine as well.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Everybody know the whole thing that with Dave, and again
with all due respect Dave.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So somebody that.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
That played the game as a wide receiver. We've been
discussing because.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Will Jeorde Howfrey wants to add some weight and he
wants to play tied end.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, we already well that ship is sailed now that
we got Evan Ingram in here. We're not looking for
that type of We're.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Not looking for you to add weight anymore. How are
we doing on this?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
They might as well play completely different positions. Evan Ingram
is a big slot. He's basically a receiver. He's not
really a tied end. Well, if l J where to
put on weight, he'd be a big slot.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
M man, this is this is tough to hear for you, right,
you think this is this is like getting painted into
a corner and you're still in the corner.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I still have some moves I saw love to be.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Is there a scenario in your mind where in a vacuum.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Now we're down to is there a scenario.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Let me be a picture. Bob rossed here, let me
let me be a picture. He keeps contending that it
is nearly impossible. He's not impossible, but nearly impossible for
a wide receiver to make that transition to be to
add weight and still be effective.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
The guys who's played in the league, I'm not talking
about guys coming out of college.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Guys played in Shannon.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Sharp did it, a guy that I played with, both
these guys in the Hall of Fame, Ozzie Newsome did it.
But little Jordan Humphrey has been a receiver in the
league for like six six years.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Or so, four or five.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
That's that would be an incredibly, in my mind, difficult transition.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
If he's really a tight end.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, I don't think it'd be too hard to do it,
because I mean, you have to think about if we
do have to leave him in there on a max protection.
He happened just so happens to be in the game
and you got to block Khalil Mack or which is
exactly what Dave said. Yeah, if you have to block
Khalil Mack or whoever is on the edge or any
one of these pass rushers, Max Crosby, you know they're
gonna push low Jordan back into Bow's lap. So I
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just don't understand both of you guys trying to kill
people's dreams. But hey, that's it is sort of What
is good news is we'll just strip all of this
from the podcast and I won't be wrong, and we
write that we'll hear from Lewis Rick on shore Sanders. Next,
all right, we got some breaking news coming in here.
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Cooper Cup, as we discussed maybe in the first hour
as a possibility, Cooper Cup is now signing with the
Seattle Seahawks. And what's being reported is three year deal,
forty five million dollars. Moments ago that was Adam Shefter
three years forty five million, I said three for forty yep,
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So Dave Logan, congrats to him.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
No, I'm five days.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Five million lights noll case a lot of balls from whomever.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Donald San Donald.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
And you know low key and this and it won't
be reported by onody out there, but I think you
and I both know this to be true. Cooper Cup
very clearly the thing that tipped him over was the
flannel that Sam Donald wore his intro press conference.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
It was the thing of beauty.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Honestly, you are right by saying it will not be
reported by many, but you did wear a flannel shirt
at introductory press conference in Seattle. It looked good. And
Sam Donald's got the lumberjack to right. He's into the culture.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, there you go. It was a very very clean fit.
Bringing some Starbucks.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
That's the only thing that's missing is having a Starbucks
Starbucks flannel listening to some grudge music in the back round,
you know, a little pearl jam.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, rolling with that, all right. So we'll get to this,
willist RIDEX out in just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
First of all, reaction Benny Cooper cup three or forty
five million dollars deal.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
We don't know the guarantees just yet.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I'll get that as soon as I get it.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
But three or forty five million to go to the
Seattle Seahawks get to play the Rams twice a year.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
What do you think about it? I think it's a
great opportunity for him.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Number one.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
If you can get a three year contract forty five
million dollars, that's great money. I think when it comes
to Sam Darnold and having a reliable target like a
Cooper cup. I think it's great. I think for Jackson
Smith and Jigba. I also think it's awesome for him
to learn from somebody like that, somebody who you know
has done a lot of work in the slide. And
then also for Clint Kubiak, who was also here with
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us for Super Bowl fifty, it's great for him to
have that type of route runner, somebody who's played in
this offense before and who knows the intricacies of the
blocking and then you know the inserts through the line
and the different option routes.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
So yeah, it's super cool to see.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I would love to see him in a Broncos uniform
at Dave Logan's price, at five million dollars a year,
I would have loved to see that. But you know,
from what Dianie Rassini said that, you know, we weren't
really in on Cooper cups.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So I know Sean's got something up as sleeve.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
But you know, shout out him always left to see
receivers get paid and he is going to try to
get the rents hell.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Every year day. If you like that fit Seattle with
Sam Darnold, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I think, I mean, I think Cooper Cup's a really
really good player, and they don't have and they they
got rid of DK Metcalf and they got rid of
my my smaller Tyler Lockett, who I'd really like.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Did you play with him too, nobody, Seattle, No, But.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I mean Tyler Lockett has made a lot of big
catches for Seattle over the years.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So, uh Injiga is a really high level young receiver,
big fan that can run. And so I agree with Benny.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I think having Cooper Cup there just I mean, you
can learn from a guy just watching him in practice,
how he sets guys up, and I think I think,
I mean, I think that makes them better.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
With his signing, I do too.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And and there's a little bit of the fact that
he gets to play against the Rams, you know, twice
a year. There's a little bit of extra motivation. I mean,
we'll see what he ultimately still looks like. And that's
that's the thing. Like in the first time I remember
we talked about it, you said you thought that was
a little repetitive with what their roles are. Jackson's with
the jib but kind of a slot guy. So is
Cooper Cup can can you make that work though, when
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you have two predominantly slot guys, I mean, some somebody's
gonna have to play outside.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Somebody's gonna have to play outside. But you can also
do a lot of condensed splits.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
You can do a lot of you know, what we
would call nasty splits or short splits where you can
have these guys both you know, somewhat in the slot,
but you know, have the corners off now because you're
in these tighter formations, So Jackson Smith and Jacob can
actually you know, go outside. I know it's probably his
preference to play in the slot, but yeah, Cooper Cup
is not really playing outside.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
That's never really been his thing. But I do like
the fit.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I do like to fit, and I'm excited to see
what it looks like. It is going to be interesting
to see now that you're playing. Cooper Cup's playing in
the division. But you're playing against the Rams twice a
year and they have Davante Adams over there. So they
didn't replace you with the Russ. They replace you with
somebody who's really good. So how does Cooper Cup does
he get in his feelings when the Rams are up?
You know, fourteen and DeVante's got ten catches in Matthew
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Stafford's now throwing him, then they'll look past this.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Great point.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
We heard Diana Racini earlier place some of that sound
from her podcast. She said that the Broncos are just
not in on the veteran wide receivers. I know you
think that's a mistake, Benny, but Dave, I mean, it's
kind of something along the lines that we've been saying
for a little while of the Broncos, the way they
view their wide receiver room, the way that they're constructing
this team. They want to continue to feature these young
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receivers of Von Veile, Troy Franklin. I guess at this point,
assuming Courtland Sutton as well, they want to continue to
feature those guys. So the Broncos we're not in on
Cooper Cup. I have a feeling though, based on the
reporting that's out there, they made a call. But that's
what you do, right You make a call, You find
out what the price tag is, and you're like, oh, fifteen, No,
I think we're good. We're not going to be in
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on that.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
What about the Broncos not being in it on any
veteran wide receivers?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Do you like that.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I'm not sure the Broncos made a call. I'm not
sure that they wanted to go that direction. And again,
I think it boils down to what Sean's view of.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
The room is.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And I think everybody would agree that Troy Franklin had
a slow start. Let's that he showed some signs late
in the season of being a pretty good young receiver.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
One thing we know he can do, he can run.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I think we would also say that Marvin Memes had
kind of a breakout year for him after they figured
out sort of how to get him the football I'm
anxious to see. I mean, Mems is another guy that
can run. So now, how do you come up with
ways to get both those guys on the field the
same time where you have two threats, two deep threats.
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And then with Evan Ingram, now who's a complete tied end,
good route runner, good speed, good hands, you can control
some of the interior part. And then Devon Veley, who
I've said I think is sort of an underrated guy.
I think the Broncos like Devon Velay more than anybody
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in the national media would know or would care to
agree with. And let's not forget Courtland Sutton, what happens
with big number fourteen.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You know, I'd love to see us add a veteran
receiver because I just like this dynamic of adding a
legit route runner.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And you know, well, I look back at some of
Sean Payton's offenses.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You have the Michael Thomas who's running the option routes,
where you have the Emmanuel Sanders or or Trey Kwan Smith.
You know, you have some of these other route runners.
So I want to see that. But I think the
signing of Evan Ingram puts a lot of ease in
that room, or it puts even more east to the.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Receiver room that we don't have to make a move
because you have.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Such a receiving threat at tight end now and you
still have Courtland in the building. So you have two dynamic,
big body playmakers. And then you have your smaller guys
with Mems Franklin and then Vele that you know.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Can work in the slot. So we'll see, we will see.
I think I think the next move is running back.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I agree, VET running back.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I don't know about a VET running back, but I'll
be surprised if the Broncos given what we know right now,
don't expend a relatively high draft choice on a running back.
I don't know if it's going to be twenty first
round pick, but this is a really good crop of
running backs by everybody's standard. And you lose Javonte Williams,
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which I think the Broncos were prepared for that to happen,
and so you bring back again. I think they may
think that in terms of depth in the running back
room that they're okay right now, but they don't have
that one or two guys that can really step in
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and be a three down back, can tote it, can
catch it, is good in past protection.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
They just don't have that guy right now.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I do trust Sean Payton know to draft running backs,
just the fact that you know he's drafted Reggie Bush,
he's added sprolls, he has, you know, drafted tomorrow Tamara.
You know, I would love to see a Kamara now
with the weapons that we have now, if you can
add a Kamara type of back who can run in
between tackles, screen passes, a little bit of receiver, a
little bit of slot, that would I would like to
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see another Joker quotes a quotes I would like to
see another.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Joker, and they'd be at the running back position. So
I do agree with you with that.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Well, the closest you're gonna get to that in the
draft is probably Travon Henderson. Yeah, that's the closest album Kamarad.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
There's just some receiving backs in this draft.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I mean Brichard Smith, but he's more of a converted swat.
I think he's a really talented player, but not built
the same way Travon Henderson is built like that. He's thick,
you know, and he's got great hands, a ton of speed,
and so if you're looking.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
For that guy.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
But the problem is, is it too early to take
him at twenty not gonna probably make it's fifty one
and so he I mean again, this is worth a
month and a half out or so, so things can change.
But as we sit here right now, you know you're
in that position. Maybe you can trade back, maybe you
like that, or if you just love.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Him, he just take him.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I'm curious to see if you guys, as you guys
believe in going back to drafting running backs in the
first round.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I'm all for it. I'm all for it.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I mean, I would take Ashton Ja in the first round?
Would you trade up to get them? I hadn't asked
him that. Look I might, I might sit and think
about it, Like, what would it am I doing evaluation this.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Year's first in a second round pick this year? Would
you trade up? Well? Where do I go? How high
do I go? If I give up my first and
second I can look at the value.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
You're probably trading into the high teens, maybe maybe close
to top ten.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
So I wonder, well, I mean, there are there are
some mock drafts now that have.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Him going to the Raiders six yeah, so in front
of the Raiders that I mean, that's going to cost
you a future first.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
If you want to get in front of the Raiders
of six, yeah, then you start thinking about it. I don't.
I don't think they would make that move.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
But you're also thinking about, hey, we're going to be
pretty good in the next year two or three, so
that future first is going to be twenty seven, twenty eight,
twenty nine, which kind of could be looked.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
At as a second I don't know who's your gent comparison,
like who do you who do you guys compare him to?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
And this year draft just a new he's a running
ball overall.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Like I mean, when I think about drafting a running
back top ten, I mean, you obviously have a B
John Robinson of as of late. But Saquon who I
played with, you know, and he was drafted number two overall.
I don't see anybody you know but that dynamic playmaking
ability or are you saying that gent is no that?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I think Genty is more likely to.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Here.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Here's what I would worry a little bit about Gent.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
He's he's so powerful and breaks so many tackles that
his running style he runs through contact.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I mean that's good.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
He's going to be able to do some of that
in the NFL. He's not going to be able to
do it to the level obviously that he did it
at Boise. I think he's got I think he's got
pretty good speed. He's not I mean, I think Genti's
probably two ten is something like that, So not not
a huge back, but he's also not a buck eighty five.
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But his his running style is you know, I mean,
I've seen guys hit him, put their face like right
in his chest and he kind of just shirks them
down to the ground and keeps on going.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I don't you know.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I don't know that that's a recipe for consistent success
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
The cop that I see the most and I think
he's a little better than this, but he was also
a very good running back is Maurice Show is true.
And that's all because he's five to eight. Like like
Ashton Jenny is not a big dude as far as
his height.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
He's he's a little bit lower to the ground, but
I I do think he's MJ he was. He was
a hell of a battle.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
He is hel of a back and again the contact balance,
like that's one of the things that I do appreciate
by MJD And same thing with Ashton Jenny.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
That's a good I think that's a good comp.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
That's the comp that I see the most, and I'm like, yeah,
I can kind of see that a little bit. I
it's one of those deals because he's starting caliber running
back in the MJ he was a very good running
back in.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I mean, Masson genty. Had Maurice Jones drew his career,
would you trade what you have to to move up
to six?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I wouldn't do that though, That's the thing. No chance
I tell you him. J I was a big, big
fan of his. I mean I don't have his stats
in front of me, like how many yards?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
He was a dog?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Oh yeah, I mean he was shifty, he could make
you miss, powerful, There was a lot of things to
like about him.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Okay, I have his career stats here.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
What are you?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
What are you looking forward?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Just?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I mean, just how many years he played? Eight? He played?
You played nine years? All right?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
He had three over one thousand yard seasons one thirteen
ninety one, thirteen twenty four, and then sixteen oh six when.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
He led the league.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Wow was that the first couple of years? That was
twenty eleven, so that was actually six years into his career.
Okayverage average per carry, average per Carrie, I've at four
point four four Okay, real good?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yep yep uh.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
He averaged over one hundred yards per game this season.
That's as right, bet, that's impressive. If we could get
that in the first three years of Gent's career, then
it is worth trading. Now. Yeah, maybe that thirteenth Even
in his first year he had nine hundred and forty
one rushing yards. It was very durable. I mean he
hed only missed a couple of games in the first
six years of his career.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, you obviously can't do it.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
But if you, if you told me, hey, if you
if you move up to get genty, he's going to
have exactly the same kind of career, the same look,
same longevity, same durability, same everything as MJ.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I'd do it, yeap, you trade up. I think I
would for that kind of productivity.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Three years over one thousand and two of those three
over thirteen hundred, one of them over sixteen hundred average
for his career four point four.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
How many passes did he catch?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, caught three almost three d and fifty passes for
almost three thousand yards.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty impressive. That's impressive. I think I'd
signed off on that.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, I think you know now that I started talking
about it's sixty eight rushing touchdowns. He had eleven receiving touchdowns,
and again it's just it's at the contact balance, that's
the yards after in contact was just such a big deal,
especially for a starting running back.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
You need to be able to lean forward and you
need to be a guy like That's the one thing with.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Like I really enjoyed Javante and the concept and the
idea of Javante until he got hurt, and then what
he could do as a running back just didn't really
have that same effect. He was mindset or you know,
just block or it's his skill set in the end,
you know, I mean it. He didn't really have the
elusive ability. See that's one thing with like MJD that
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I appreciate is as big as kind of a bowlding
ball as he was, he could make guys miss. He
wasn't always looking for contact, but he wasn't afraid of it.
Javante's was about the contact and he would just kind
of bowl you over. I love Marion Hampton a lot.
See I'd be in that conversation of just saying I'd
wait for Mario Hampton at twenty and he's at Uncay.
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He's got incredible speed, very impressive speed. Yes, he's gonna
be a I think he's a four to four guy.
I think he's as to what he ran at the combine.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
He's a little bigger, a little bigger and he but
but he's.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Not Javonte like the unc stuff. That's that's really where
it stops.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
He's got way better vision, good receiver out of the backfield,
elite pass pro guy already, he's a great pass pro guy.
Some people think he might actually be better at Ashraal
Jenny overall in this class. But again that I think
it depends a little bit on where they end up going.
If he's there, then I don't I don't think you
trade up for gent because unless you're getting me a
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Saquon Barkley type where he is that he is that
dynamic of a player where you like, I have to do.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
This, but he's a sake one like.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
But in terms of again, it's tough to know because
the Giants were a mess in a lot of ways, right,
but there were a lot of people that questioned it
at the time because they kind of should have maybe
looked at quarterback.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
And even after the fact that, of course he moved
on to Philly. Now he's amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
He's been a good back, but it hasn't changed their fortunes.
So like the Giants, right, he didn't really. I mean
they had the one season they went to the playoffs,
but that was poor. That's more poor roster construction. I
played with Taekwon his rookie year and he was he
was everything that as advertised. I mean, throw on the
screen pass, take it sixty yards, jump over everybody.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
He made it look like Penn State.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
We couldn't block anybody, though, so I think it was
just a Giant's poor drafting ability.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
And then when you trade O'Dell and then Sterlin, Shepperd.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Gets hurt or Evan Ingram and then Eli and but
you obviously what the Broncos have done really well is
they started up front with the offensive defensive line New York.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
All we did was draft the skill players.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
We had all the talent in the world, but couldn't
block anybody like you got Eli Manning. You know, Super
Bowl MVP won two Super Bowls and we couldn't block
for him. So I blame it more on the rosters instruction.
Then I do actually say Quon, what do you.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Think, Dave? I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Again, where the league is now starting to shift, Having
one of those kinds of running backs really does change
things for you.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I think it depends on what grade the Broncos Brass
Sean and George scouts and people, what grade they have
in these guys. Invariably they've slotted all their running backs,
and who knows, maybe Ashton Genty is not their top
running back. Maybe the kid from North Carolina is I mean,
I don't know, but it's a really good class for
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running backs. So Betty makes a good point with that
in mind. Maybe you sit at twenty and you're you know,
if one of your guys is there, one of your
top two, you take it, and if both those guys
happen to be gone, then you go to Plan B
whatever that is, whatever other position that you had rated
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highly enough. I mean, there's a lot of tight ends
in this draft. I don't know that they would expand
a first round draft choice, at least at twenty on
a tight end after they just signed Evan Ingram, but
I think they'll draft a tight end in this particular
draft for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Would you consider kind of like twenty twenty and I
know people will probably throw something, I mean, for this
Bronco's way wide receiver, wide receiver. Would you consider doing
that running back in this draft? You mean with one
and two with your first two picks, because they one
of the Jerry Judy kJ Hamler.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I think it would be hard for me to do that.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I mean, look, you know, I think there's reasonable talent
still in the running back room. We all knew I knew,
you knew, everybody knew that Javonte was not going to
be back, right. I mean, he was so powerful his
rookie season, and I remember saying that year, man, he's
not going to last in this league unless he chooses
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a different sort of you know, in every run and
he tried to run through the brain stem of every
defender like was on the field. You're looking at me, mam.
I mean, I mean it was like, man, you just
can't survive in the league doing that. I admired his
toughness and courage. But now if you look at the
room right now, Okay, you've got Julia McLoughlin, he's still
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he's got some value to him.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
You just have to You can't blame as much as
they had to blame this year. But I think he's
got value. I mean, I don't know odric estimate. I
think has to get a.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Little bit quicker, but still powerful. Two hundred and thirty
five pounds.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Back Blake Watson.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Blake Watson to me is still an intriguing guy. Good
pass receiver, really good pass receiver. So long winded answer, No,
I don't I don't think I would go first and
second round running backs.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I wouldn't either. I wouldn't either. I think, yeah, the
class is deep, so we can we can find we
can find value. All right, we'll come back.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
We're continue to react to Cooper cup Now signing with
the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
We'll get to the next
Hi, just after four o'clock, Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards, Benny
Fowler in studio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Like I said, we'll get to this. Lewis Ridgcks down
just a little bit. We asked you.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
About Evan Ingram, but as we mentioned, you've played with
all these guys. So tell me a little bit about
Drake green Law for example, who, by the way, on
his Instagram just a little bit ago, posted a younger
photo of him looked like little league football. We're in
a Broncos jersey, which pretty cool, awesweet, you know, full
circle moment for him. That's that's awesome. When I think
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about Drake Greenlaw. I was only in San Francisco for
a little bit so OTA's training camp, but this is
one This is what I can say about Drake Greenlaw.
And when you think about and I played with these
guys for four years, A TJ. Ward a key to
leave where you are practicing against these guys and you're
wondering if you are on the same team because of
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how hard they compete, and you're like, wait, do we
are we friends or are we teammates? That's how Drake
Greenlaw practices. And that's the type of is that he's
going to bring to his defense and when you think
about it, accountability in the way that he is going
to play, the way he is going to practice. That
is the next step in this team's evolution in terms
of getting better winning a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So I'm excited to see what Drake Greenlaw does.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
And you just think about just a fierce, competitive guy.
I mean, I don't know if you guys have watched
any of the Instagram stuff where he's slapping his helmet.
I mean, he is just and he's always going to
be around the ball, so he's not going to accept
any laziness. I'm excited for him. I'm excited to see
what he does. It's a good thing to have on
the team. Did you have a story? I mean I
was curious because obviously coming from a little bit of
(01:33):
different era where they did hit receivers and they enjoyed
hitting receivers, maybe even in practice a little bit. You
have got teammates like that or it's just like, oh, yeah,
are we friends or are we all the same team?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Absolutely? I played with safety by the name of Tom Darden.
Tom played in Michigan Fierce, right fierce, and you know what,
but it was a completely different time, right. I mean
he he lit me up in practice on a on
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a basic route and I mean crush me, and I
mean it was it was I didn't even hit the
ground before. It was like on, I'm trying to rip
like his tonsiles out of his neck. Uh, and he's
doing the same thing to me. And he was a
friend of mine, I mean, and still to this day
(02:30):
is a friend of mine. But it was it was
just a difference really, the way we used to practice,
when you step back and think about it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Now, makes absolutely no sense.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Right, we're full padded practice twice a day, and we've
taken everybody to the ground, not quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers.
It's full go when you go team period, everybody's going
to the ground because you're going to get tackled.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So you know, it just didn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
But I agree with Benny Andre Greenlaw, I mean from
all accounts, and I've never played with him, obviously, but
you need a guy that has, you know, that edge
and has a little bit you can tell they can
be great guys, but you can tell you can tell
a lot about a guy in his eyes, right, and
you see his eyes when things get as we used
(03:22):
to say, rich, you want two or three of those
dudes on your side.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
You know what I also love about a Dre Greenlaw
pick is not only the talent, but when you're talking
about building an incredible culture in a real program.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You need these types of players.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And that's when you really take the next step in
terms of somebody who's been to a couple of Super Bowls,
somebody who knows how to rest recover, somebody who can
take and hold people accountable and hold himself accountable. I mean,
he was a part of the one of the best
diet you know, linebacker duos in recent years with him
and Fred Warner and you know Ken he won that
(04:00):
Super Bowl because Drake Greenlaw went out and they lost
their edge and you could see it. You saw Patrick
Mahomes say it, and then you saw it on their side,
they couldn't believe that they lost, you.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Know, one of their fearless leaders.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
But this is also a culture fit, and Sean is
you know, he's establishing the culture with these types of
players and who fund it as well.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I think that's another culture fits.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Somebody who fits in, who's smart, who's always around the ball,
who can make plays.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I didn't really know him as well.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
He was a rookie win my last year, so I
only got a chance to see him a Littleit didn't
see him in any live game action, but I know
he's always around the ball and that's what we want well,
and that's something we discussed Dave about the tail end
of the season. The Broncos defense seemed to get pushed
around a little bit there, especially.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
In the run game, and so I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
If it's an attitude thing, if that was I mean
some of the guys maybe a little bit banged up.
I mean, you were missing your starting inside linebracker at
that point, and maybe that was the eventual reality. Maybe
you'd overachieved to that point with your line backing corps
when you're missing a starter for most of the season.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, I mean they play the Broncos if you look
at him last year, they played most of the year
with And this is not disparaging either guy, but Cody
Barton and Justin Strenette. Barton signed with Tennessee, so he's gone.
And I thought there were I mean, I thought there
were times that they both played pretty well. Right, Cody
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made Cody made a lot of plays, and I thought
Justin for not really. I mean I was concerned about
Justin because he'd been here and not really. He hadn't
been a guy that got much take on defense. He
was special teams guy. Well there's I mean, normally there's
a reason for that. But you know, I mean early,
especially early when he got in very active.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I thought, when you look at.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Him, you'd say, like, I don't know if he can
hold up, if he's stout enough to hold up, especially
when you're playing an odd man front.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But but I thought he thought he did well.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I thought they wore down a bit as the season
went on, and I thought the game against the Chargers
on the road, that was a tough game for the
second level of the Broncos defense.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Absolutely, they I mean for the most part. I know that.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
The back got a word sus Edwards got away from
him late in the game on a long run. But
for the most part, the box held up running the ball.
But they had guys running. I mean, you broadcast games
and you're looking around and you're seeing those guys running
wide open, which make it really really way too easy
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for a guy like Justin Herbert. But I mean I
think Drake Greenlaw again. You know, as as Minnie said,
when you have that kind of guy, it becomes infectious
and then you have everybody from a defensive standpoint, I mean,
the first time Drake Greenlaw like pile drives an opposing
running back.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Is on, I mean, you're gonna have a lot of like.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Juice from that sideline and from the defensive huddle. That's
how you have to play defense in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yep, He's going to bring that edge, you know, Dave,
I'd be curious just to hear your thoughts in terms
of teams that you've been on, teams that you've coached,
on culture and really building a culture and what you
see from Sean and you know going into year three.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, I mean, I'll comment on the on the what
Sean's doing. I think I think it had to happen.
And I think when when your ownership publicly talks about it,
when he hires you and he gives you a lot
of money, and he talks about we brought Sean in,
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and one of the things that he mentions more than
once was changing the culture of the organization. And I
think I think Greg Pinner is you know, and Carrie
his wife carry Walton Pinner. Very smart people, great business people,
but they've stepped back, I think initially and let Sean
kind of do his thing even in the building. And
(07:55):
I think, I mean, for the most part, I think
it's worked. But what I think you're seeing now is
you're seeing guys that he wants their their air quote
Sean Payton. Guys being brought into this organization. And I
mean you you want your and I say this with
(08:16):
all affection, you want your crazy dudes on defense.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, you want those guys. You know that.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
If I mean, if you, if you're gonna walk down
this alley and you're not sure what's on the other
end of the alley, you get to pick two guys,
two teammates to walk down there with you. For the
most part, both those teammates are going to be defensive guys.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
And green Law's that guy. You're for sure picking him first.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
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(09:14):
the house. I want to ask you one more player.
The Broncos acquired Trent Sherfield, who you also good time
with as we have been Benny Fowler here in studio.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So what do we get here with Trent Sherfield.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I think Trent is a locker room, another culture fit,
somebody who is a role player. He's gunner, So think
of him as a gunner on special teams.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Think of him as the L five R.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Five on kickoff, which is that first person next to
the kicker in terms of running down and making that tackle.
He's going to be the first person downfield making the tackle.
But incredible special teams player, super hard worker. He will
be the last person off the field every single day.
When I was in San Francisco, he's catching a couple
hundred passes one hand, left hand, whatever it may be,
right hand, left hand, I should say, incredible worker, team
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first guy. You know he'll catch ten to fifteen passes
next year. But be a blocker, inline blocker, and he'll
make his impact on special teams and he'll be flying
on the field on all four phases of the games
held Blaloker. By the way, if you get a chance
to watch any of the film of him out there
on the offensive side of the ball, that's that's not
something that's not something.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
The Broncos are gonna have to worry about. And I
do like that work ethic part of it.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And honestly, David, I mean that's those are are the
kind of guys, the unsung heroes of every team, right
that they're willing to do that kind of work.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Lill Jordan Humphrey, and I mean he's still free agent, right,
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
He talked about putting on some weight, becoming a tight
end the no un I keep going back and forth
on that.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I gotta get your thoughts on that.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
But Tris Sherfield seems like that kind of guy, in
that kind of vein I.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Think you, I mean, you have to have some great players.
You can never have too many guys that are your
core group of dudes that you can count on. They're accountable,
they play through, you know, nagging injuries when they're out there,
they make plays, they're smart, they know exactly what they're doing.
(11:06):
You never worry about getting up and having, you know,
the director's security call at five o'clock in the morning
and say, yeah, get a little bit of bad news on.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
You know, you don't want that call. Are you talking
about me right now?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
No? No, you were? You were?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You weren't.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I was walking about all the positive characters.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I mean in his career here.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, the kind of role that I fit in.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Even Actually the we call ourselves the Horseman, not the
four Horsemen, but myself, Jordan Norwood, Cody Latimer, Andre Caldwell.
We prided ourselves on, hey, we're not going to be
Batman and Robin, you know, DT and Emanuel.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
We are going to support them and be there for Peyton.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
But I'm pretty much doing all the dirty work in
the grunt work, which is what you need to have
an incredible receiving corner. I think Trent Shirtfield is one
of that guys. I think that little Jordan Humphrey, this
is an upgrade. This is somebody who is a better
special teams player, please us, Ryan Edwards is this is
a this is a a upgrade in terms of Jordan
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Humphrey in terms of blocking, what he will do in
terms of assignments, and then also just being a better
special teams player and playing on all four phases.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
But I do like l J. He's a former teammate
of mine as well.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Everybody know the whole thing that with Dave, and again
with all due respect Dave.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So somebody that.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
That played the game as a wide receiver. We've been
discussing because.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Will Jeorde Howfrey wants to add some weight and he
wants to play tied end.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, we already well that ship is sailed now that
we got Evan Ingram in here. We're not looking for
that type of We're.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Not looking for you to add weight anymore. How are
we doing on this?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
They might as well play completely different positions. Evan Ingram
is a big slot. He's basically a receiver. He's not
really a tied end. Well, if l J where to
put on weight, he'd be a big slot.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
M man, this is this is tough to hear for you, right,
you think this is this is like getting painted into
a corner and you're still in the corner.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I still have some moves I saw love to be.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Is there a scenario in your mind where in a vacuum.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Now we're down to is there a scenario.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Let me be a picture. Bob rossed here, let me
let me be a picture. He keeps contending that it
is nearly impossible. He's not impossible, but nearly impossible for
a wide receiver to make that transition to be to
add weight and still be effective.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
The guys who's played in the league, I'm not talking
about guys coming out of college.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Guys played in Shannon.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Sharp did it, a guy that I played with, both
these guys in the Hall of Fame, Ozzie Newsome did it.
But little Jordan Humphrey has been a receiver in the
league for like six six years.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Or so, four or five.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
That's that would be an incredibly, in my mind, difficult transition.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
If he's really a tight end.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, I don't think it'd be too hard to do it,
because I mean, you have to think about if we
do have to leave him in there on a max protection.
He happened just so happens to be in the game
and you got to block Khalil Mack or which is
exactly what Dave said. Yeah, if you have to block
Khalil Mack or whoever is on the edge or any
one of these pass rushers, Max Crosby, you know they're
gonna push low Jordan back into Bow's lap. So I
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just don't understand both of you guys trying to kill
people's dreams. But hey, that's it is sort of What
is good news is we'll just strip all of this
from the podcast and I won't be wrong, and we
write that we'll hear from Lewis Rick on shore Sanders. Next,
all right, we got some breaking news coming in here.
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Cooper Cup, as we discussed maybe in the first hour
as a possibility, Cooper Cup is now signing with the
Seattle Seahawks. And what's being reported is three year deal,
forty five million dollars. Moments ago that was Adam Shefter
three years forty five million, I said three for forty yep,
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So Dave Logan, congrats to him.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
No, I'm five days.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Five million lights noll case a lot of balls from whomever.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Donald San Donald.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
And you know low key and this and it won't
be reported by onody out there, but I think you
and I both know this to be true. Cooper Cup
very clearly the thing that tipped him over was the
flannel that Sam Donald wore his intro press conference.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
It was the thing of beauty.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Honestly, you are right by saying it will not be
reported by many, but you did wear a flannel shirt
at introductory press conference in Seattle. It looked good. And
Sam Donald's got the lumberjack to right. He's into the culture.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, there you go. It was a very very clean fit.
Bringing some Starbucks.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
That's the only thing that's missing is having a Starbucks
Starbucks flannel listening to some grudge music in the back round,
you know, a little pearl jam.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, rolling with that, all right. So we'll get to this,
willist RIDEX out in just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
First of all, reaction Benny Cooper cup three or forty
five million dollars deal.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
We don't know the guarantees just yet.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I'll get that as soon as I get it.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
But three or forty five million to go to the
Seattle Seahawks get to play the Rams twice a year.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
What do you think about it? I think it's a
great opportunity for him.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Number one.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
If you can get a three year contract forty five
million dollars, that's great money. I think when it comes
to Sam Darnold and having a reliable target like a
Cooper cup. I think it's great. I think for Jackson
Smith and Jigba. I also think it's awesome for him
to learn from somebody like that, somebody who you know
has done a lot of work in the slide. And
then also for Clint Kubiak, who was also here with
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us for Super Bowl fifty, it's great for him to
have that type of route runner, somebody who's played in
this offense before and who knows the intricacies of the
blocking and then you know the inserts through the line
and the different option routes.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
So yeah, it's super cool to see.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I would love to see him in a Broncos uniform
at Dave Logan's price, at five million dollars a year,
I would have loved to see that. But you know,
from what Dianie Rassini said that, you know, we weren't
really in on Cooper cups.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So I know Sean's got something up as sleeve.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
But you know, shout out him always left to see
receivers get paid and he is going to try to
get the rents hell.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Every year day. If you like that fit Seattle with
Sam Darnold, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I think, I mean, I think Cooper Cup's a really
really good player, and they don't have and they they
got rid of DK Metcalf and they got rid of
my my smaller Tyler Lockett, who I'd really like.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Did you play with him too, nobody, Seattle, No, But.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I mean Tyler Lockett has made a lot of big
catches for Seattle over the years.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So, uh Injiga is a really high level young receiver,
big fan that can run. And so I agree with Benny.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I think having Cooper Cup there just I mean, you
can learn from a guy just watching him in practice,
how he sets guys up, and I think I think,
I mean, I think that makes them better.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
With his signing, I do too.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And and there's a little bit of the fact that
he gets to play against the Rams, you know, twice
a year. There's a little bit of extra motivation. I mean,
we'll see what he ultimately still looks like. And that's
that's the thing. Like in the first time I remember
we talked about it, you said you thought that was
a little repetitive with what their roles are. Jackson's with
the jib but kind of a slot guy. So is
Cooper Cup can can you make that work though, when
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you have two predominantly slot guys, I mean, some somebody's
gonna have to play outside.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Somebody's gonna have to play outside. But you can also
do a lot of condensed splits.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
You can do a lot of you know, what we
would call nasty splits or short splits where you can
have these guys both you know, somewhat in the slot,
but you know, have the corners off now because you're
in these tighter formations, So Jackson Smith and Jacob can
actually you know, go outside. I know it's probably his
preference to play in the slot, but yeah, Cooper Cup
is not really playing outside.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
That's never really been his thing. But I do like
the fit.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I do like to fit, and I'm excited to see
what it looks like. It is going to be interesting
to see now that you're playing. Cooper Cup's playing in
the division. But you're playing against the Rams twice a
year and they have Davante Adams over there. So they
didn't replace you with the Russ. They replace you with
somebody who's really good. So how does Cooper Cup does
he get in his feelings when the Rams are up?
You know, fourteen and DeVante's got ten catches in Matthew
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Stafford's now throwing him, then they'll look past this.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Great point.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
We heard Diana Racini earlier place some of that sound
from her podcast. She said that the Broncos are just
not in on the veteran wide receivers. I know you
think that's a mistake, Benny, but Dave, I mean, it's
kind of something along the lines that we've been saying
for a little while of the Broncos, the way they
view their wide receiver room, the way that they're constructing
this team. They want to continue to feature these young
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receivers of Von Veile, Troy Franklin. I guess at this point,
assuming Courtland Sutton as well, they want to continue to
feature those guys. So the Broncos we're not in on
Cooper Cup. I have a feeling though, based on the
reporting that's out there, they made a call. But that's
what you do, right You make a call, You find
out what the price tag is, and you're like, oh, fifteen, No,
I think we're good. We're not going to be in
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on that.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
What about the Broncos not being in it on any
veteran wide receivers?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Do you like that.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I'm not sure the Broncos made a call. I'm not
sure that they wanted to go that direction. And again,
I think it boils down to what Sean's view of.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
The room is.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And I think everybody would agree that Troy Franklin had
a slow start. Let's that he showed some signs late
in the season of being a pretty good young receiver.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
One thing we know he can do, he can run.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I think we would also say that Marvin Memes had
kind of a breakout year for him after they figured
out sort of how to get him the football I'm
anxious to see. I mean, Mems is another guy that
can run. So now, how do you come up with
ways to get both those guys on the field the
same time where you have two threats, two deep threats.
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And then with Evan Ingram, now who's a complete tied end,
good route runner, good speed, good hands, you can control
some of the interior part. And then Devon Veley, who
I've said I think is sort of an underrated guy.
I think the Broncos like Devon Velay more than anybody
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in the national media would know or would care to
agree with. And let's not forget Courtland Sutton, what happens
with big number fourteen.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You know, I'd love to see us add a veteran
receiver because I just like this dynamic of adding a
legit route runner.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And you know, well, I look back at some of
Sean Payton's offenses.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You have the Michael Thomas who's running the option routes,
where you have the Emmanuel Sanders or or Trey Kwan Smith.
You know, you have some of these other route runners.
So I want to see that. But I think the
signing of Evan Ingram puts a lot of ease in
that room, or it puts even more east to the.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Receiver room that we don't have to make a move
because you have.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Such a receiving threat at tight end now and you
still have Courtland in the building. So you have two dynamic,
big body playmakers. And then you have your smaller guys
with Mems Franklin and then Vele that you know.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Can work in the slot. So we'll see, we will see.
I think I think the next move is running back.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I agree, VET running back.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I don't know about a VET running back, but I'll
be surprised if the Broncos given what we know right now,
don't expend a relatively high draft choice on a running back.
I don't know if it's going to be twenty first
round pick, but this is a really good crop of
running backs by everybody's standard. And you lose Javonte Williams,
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which I think the Broncos were prepared for that to happen,
and so you bring back again. I think they may
think that in terms of depth in the running back
room that they're okay right now, but they don't have
that one or two guys that can really step in
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and be a three down back, can tote it, can
catch it, is good in past protection.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
They just don't have that guy right now.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I do trust Sean Payton know to draft running backs,
just the fact that you know he's drafted Reggie Bush,
he's added sprolls, he has, you know, drafted tomorrow Tamara.
You know, I would love to see a Kamara now
with the weapons that we have now, if you can
add a Kamara type of back who can run in
between tackles, screen passes, a little bit of receiver, a
little bit of slot, that would I would like to
(23:53):
see another Joker quotes a quotes I would like to
see another.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Joker, and they'd be at the running back position. So
I do agree with you with that.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Well, the closest you're gonna get to that in the
draft is probably Travon Henderson. Yeah, that's the closest album Kamarad.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
There's just some receiving backs in this draft.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I mean Brichard Smith, but he's more of a converted swat.
I think he's a really talented player, but not built
the same way Travon Henderson is built like that. He's thick,
you know, and he's got great hands, a ton of speed,
and so if you're looking.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
For that guy.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
But the problem is, is it too early to take
him at twenty not gonna probably make it's fifty one
and so he I mean again, this is worth a
month and a half out or so, so things can change.
But as we sit here right now, you know you're
in that position. Maybe you can trade back, maybe you
like that, or if you just love.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Him, he just take him.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I'm curious to see if you guys, as you guys
believe in going back to drafting running backs in the
first round.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I'm all for it. I'm all for it.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I mean, I would take Ashton Ja in the first round?
Would you trade up to get them? I hadn't asked
him that. Look I might, I might sit and think
about it, Like, what would it am I doing evaluation this.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Year's first in a second round pick this year? Would
you trade up? Well? Where do I go? How high
do I go? If I give up my first and
second I can look at the value.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
You're probably trading into the high teens, maybe maybe close
to top ten.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
So I wonder, well, I mean, there are there are
some mock drafts now that have.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Him going to the Raiders six yeah, so in front
of the Raiders that I mean, that's going to cost
you a future first.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
If you want to get in front of the Raiders
of six, yeah, then you start thinking about it. I don't.
I don't think they would make that move.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
But you're also thinking about, hey, we're going to be
pretty good in the next year two or three, so
that future first is going to be twenty seven, twenty eight,
twenty nine, which kind of could be looked.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
At as a second I don't know who's your gent comparison,
like who do you who do you guys compare him to?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
And this year draft just a new he's a running
ball overall.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Like I mean, when I think about drafting a running
back top ten, I mean, you obviously have a B
John Robinson of as of late. But Saquon who I
played with, you know, and he was drafted number two overall.
I don't see anybody you know but that dynamic playmaking
ability or are you saying that gent is no that?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I think Genty is more likely to.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Here.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Here's what I would worry a little bit about Gent.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
He's he's so powerful and breaks so many tackles that
his running style he runs through contact.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I mean that's good.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
He's going to be able to do some of that
in the NFL. He's not going to be able to
do it to the level obviously that he did it
at Boise. I think he's got I think he's got
pretty good speed. He's not I mean, I think Genti's
probably two ten is something like that, So not not
a huge back, but he's also not a buck eighty five.
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But his his running style is you know, I mean,
I've seen guys hit him, put their face like right
in his chest and he kind of just shirks them
down to the ground and keeps on going.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I don't you know.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I don't know that that's a recipe for consistent success
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
The cop that I see the most and I think
he's a little better than this, but he was also
a very good running back is Maurice Show is true.
And that's all because he's five to eight. Like like
Ashton Jenny is not a big dude as far as
his height.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
He's he's a little bit lower to the ground, but
I I do think he's MJ he was. He was
a hell of a battle.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
He is hel of a back and again the contact balance,
like that's one of the things that I do appreciate
by MJD And same thing with Ashton Jenny.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
That's a good I think that's a good comp.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
That's the comp that I see the most, and I'm like, yeah,
I can kind of see that a little bit. I
it's one of those deals because he's starting caliber running
back in the MJ he was a very good running
back in.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I mean, Masson genty. Had Maurice Jones drew his career,
would you trade what you have to to move up
to six?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I wouldn't do that though, That's the thing. No chance
I tell you him. J I was a big, big
fan of his. I mean I don't have his stats
in front of me, like how many yards?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
He was a dog?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Oh yeah, I mean he was shifty, he could make
you miss, powerful, There was a lot of things to
like about him.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Okay, I have his career stats here.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
What are you?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
What are you looking forward?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Just?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I mean, just how many years he played? Eight? He played?
You played nine years? All right?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
He had three over one thousand yard seasons one thirteen
ninety one, thirteen twenty four, and then sixteen oh six when.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
He led the league.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Wow was that the first couple of years? That was
twenty eleven, so that was actually six years into his career.
Okayverage average per carry, average per Carrie, I've at four
point four four Okay, real good?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yep yep uh.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
He averaged over one hundred yards per game this season.
That's as right, bet, that's impressive. If we could get
that in the first three years of Gent's career, then
it is worth trading. Now. Yeah, maybe that thirteenth Even
in his first year he had nine hundred and forty
one rushing yards. It was very durable. I mean he
hed only missed a couple of games in the first
six years of his career.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, you obviously can't do it.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
But if you, if you told me, hey, if you
if you move up to get genty, he's going to
have exactly the same kind of career, the same look,
same longevity, same durability, same everything as MJ.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I'd do it, yeap, you trade up. I think I
would for that kind of productivity.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Three years over one thousand and two of those three
over thirteen hundred, one of them over sixteen hundred average
for his career four point four.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
How many passes did he catch?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, caught three almost three d and fifty passes for
almost three thousand yards.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty impressive. That's impressive. I think I'd
signed off on that.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, I think you know now that I started talking
about it's sixty eight rushing touchdowns. He had eleven receiving touchdowns,
and again it's just it's at the contact balance, that's
the yards after in contact was just such a big deal,
especially for a starting running back.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
You need to be able to lean forward and you
need to be a guy like That's the one thing with.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Like I really enjoyed Javante and the concept and the
idea of Javante until he got hurt, and then what
he could do as a running back just didn't really
have that same effect. He was mindset or you know,
just block or it's his skill set in the end,
you know, I mean it. He didn't really have the
elusive ability. See that's one thing with like MJD that
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I appreciate is as big as kind of a bowlding
ball as he was, he could make guys miss. He
wasn't always looking for contact, but he wasn't afraid of it.
Javante's was about the contact and he would just kind
of bowl you over. I love Marion Hampton a lot.
See I'd be in that conversation of just saying I'd
wait for Mario Hampton at twenty and he's at Uncay.
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He's got incredible speed, very impressive speed. Yes, he's gonna
be a I think he's a four to four guy.
I think he's as to what he ran at the combine.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
He's a little bigger, a little bigger and he but
but he's.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Not Javonte like the unc stuff. That's that's really where
it stops.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
He's got way better vision, good receiver out of the backfield,
elite pass pro guy already, he's a great pass pro guy.
Some people think he might actually be better at Ashraal
Jenny overall in this class. But again that I think
it depends a little bit on where they end up going.
If he's there, then I don't I don't think you
trade up for gent because unless you're getting me a
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Saquon Barkley type where he is that he is that
dynamic of a player where you like, I have to do.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
This, but he's a sake one like.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
But in terms of again, it's tough to know because
the Giants were a mess in a lot of ways, right,
but there were a lot of people that questioned it
at the time because they kind of should have maybe
looked at quarterback.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
And even after the fact that, of course he moved
on to Philly. Now he's amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
He's been a good back, but it hasn't changed their fortunes.
So like the Giants, right, he didn't really. I mean
they had the one season they went to the playoffs,
but that was poor. That's more poor roster construction. I
played with Taekwon his rookie year and he was he
was everything that as advertised. I mean, throw on the
screen pass, take it sixty yards, jump over everybody.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
He made it look like Penn State.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
We couldn't block anybody, though, so I think it was
just a Giant's poor drafting ability.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
And then when you trade O'Dell and then Sterlin, Shepperd.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Gets hurt or Evan Ingram and then Eli and but
you obviously what the Broncos have done really well is
they started up front with the offensive defensive line New York.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
All we did was draft the skill players.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
We had all the talent in the world, but couldn't
block anybody like you got Eli Manning. You know, Super
Bowl MVP won two Super Bowls and we couldn't block
for him. So I blame it more on the rosters instruction.
Then I do actually say Quon, what do you.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Think, Dave? I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Again, where the league is now starting to shift, Having
one of those kinds of running backs really does change
things for you.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I think it depends on what grade the Broncos Brass
Sean and George scouts and people, what grade they have
in these guys. Invariably they've slotted all their running backs,
and who knows, maybe Ashton Genty is not their top
running back. Maybe the kid from North Carolina is I mean,
I don't know, but it's a really good class for
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running backs. So Betty makes a good point with that
in mind. Maybe you sit at twenty and you're you know,
if one of your guys is there, one of your
top two, you take it, and if both those guys
happen to be gone, then you go to Plan B
whatever that is, whatever other position that you had rated
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highly enough. I mean, there's a lot of tight ends
in this draft. I don't know that they would expand
a first round draft choice, at least at twenty on
a tight end after they just signed Evan Ingram, but
I think they'll draft a tight end in this particular
draft for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Would you consider kind of like twenty twenty and I
know people will probably throw something, I mean, for this
Bronco's way wide receiver, wide receiver. Would you consider doing
that running back in this draft? You mean with one
and two with your first two picks, because they one
of the Jerry Judy kJ Hamler.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I think it would be hard for me to do that.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I mean, look, you know, I think there's reasonable talent
still in the running back room. We all knew I knew,
you knew, everybody knew that Javonte was not going to
be back, right. I mean, he was so powerful his
rookie season, and I remember saying that year, man, he's
not going to last in this league unless he chooses
(34:59):
a different sort of you know, in every run and
he tried to run through the brain stem of every
defender like was on the field. You're looking at me, mam.
I mean, I mean it was like, man, you just
can't survive in the league doing that. I admired his
toughness and courage. But now if you look at the
room right now, Okay, you've got Julia McLoughlin, he's still
(35:22):
he's got some value to him.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
You just have to You can't blame as much as
they had to blame this year. But I think he's
got value. I mean, I don't know odric estimate. I
think has to get a.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Little bit quicker, but still powerful. Two hundred and thirty
five pounds.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Back Blake Watson.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Blake Watson to me is still an intriguing guy. Good
pass receiver, really good pass receiver. So long winded answer, No,
I don't I don't think I would go first and
second round running backs.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I wouldn't either. I wouldn't either. I think, yeah, the
class is deep, so we can we can find we
can find value. All right, we'll come back.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
We're continue to react to Cooper cup Now signing with
the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
We'll get to the next
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