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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Interesting video and post yesterday about Chuck Todd actually getting
angry that Hunter had turned his brother's widow, Hayley into
a crack addict. And the way that Jill and Joe
Biden dealt with their family's problems is he ran for president.
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How many other lives did Hunter negatively impact by his actions?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, I didn't expect that particular talk back this morning,
but let me see if I can quickly find here.
Here we go, Chuck Todd.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I followed the Hunter Biden traveled very closely. I read
every trainscript, all the testimony is that's what you call
that was made public, and there is you want to
you want to read, you want to you want to
get angry just as a as as somebody in just
all these mixed emotions. You read the Hally Biden transcript
and that's both widow yes, and essentially he turned her
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into a crack addict. And this was all happening in
twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, and Joe and Joe Biden were
so concerned about their family that they decided to run
for president.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I just so when you talk about the word selfish,
it's almost like the word doesn't. I mean, their decision
to run for president put the entire Democratic Party and
the United States of America in the position that it's in.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Now, sure I find interesting about that. I mean I
had seen that clip yesterday, but it was Chuck Todd.
They didn't really have any interest in it. I saw
the transcript, so I knew what it said, but it
was like, am, okay. But but then Alex leaves that
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talk back, so I think, okay, we'll play that at
the same time. This morning that I get from Agent
jed A, this story Congress hands Biden a huge Hunter
driven pardon wish list. This again comes from Axios. President
Biden's pardon of his son Hunter has opened the floodgates
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to a battery of request from members of Congress and
both parties for additional pardons. Now, you know Axios always
does this. Why does this matter? And then let's zoom in.
I mean, it's it's just their little format that they use.
Biden has received more than ten thousand, five hundred pardon
requests over his four years in office, but has only
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issued twenty five, a historically low number even for single
presidential terms. According to the doj Axials reports, though that.
But now Biden's controversial act pardoning his son has unleashed
a wave of please on behalf of people can victed
or accused of various crimes, including figures such as Wiki
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Leak's founder Julian Assange, an NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. So
then Axio says, let's zoom in. Several lawmakers have very
specific pardons or commutations in mind that they would like
to see Biden issue. He's opened the floodgates, Absolutely opened
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the floodgates. Jim McGovern, who's a Democrat from Massachusetts, wants
his colleagues to join him in request on behalf of
Stephen Donzinger, an environmental lawyer accused of fraudulent evidence to
win a lawsuit against Chevron. According to a draft later
that was first obtained by Axios, McGovern is also urging
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Biden in a separate letter to posthumously exonerate Ethel Rosenberg,
remember the Rosenberg's executed for spying, citing significant evidence that
she did not engage the Soviet spying for which she
was executed in nineteen fifty three. Thomas Mathy. Now I
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just find it interesting, is Thomas Mathy, the very conservative,
appropriately conservative congressman from Kentucky, Republican by the way, has
also urged Biden to pardon Juliana Sange, but he told
Axios he went to pardons for Snowden and for drug
trafficker Ross Ulbrick, seen by libertarians such as Massy as
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anti government crusaders. I know nothing about Ulbrick. That's a
story that went right past me. No idea, and I
don't care. Diana Presley, a member of the squad from Massachusetts,
sighted Billy Allen who's a death row inmate who says
he was wrongfully convicted of murder, as well as Michelle
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West and is ishmael Lera who are serving life sentences
for drug real defenses. I don't know anything about any
of those cases, nor do I care, But you see,
it's time to jump on the bandwagon. And then, of
course Alexandria Acasia Cortez ako AOC. She went to pardon
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for the indigenous activist Leonard Peltier, who was convicted of
killing two FBI agents. And then there are apparently lawmakers
I had heard something about this, might didn't pay much
attention to it. That there are several lawmakers who are
now urging Biden to pardon President elect Donald Trump for
his actions related to January sixth and his handling it
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classified documents. Why why would you part? Why? First of all,
why would you I understand the political point that they're
trying to make, But why would you ask for a
pardon when the cases are being dismissed and I assume
they're going to be dismissed with prejudice, with prejudice meaning
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that they cannot be brought again? And I would probably don't.
I don't know this for a fact. I'm just guessing
out loud. But if you dismiss those federal cases today,
the statute limitations probably runs during the president's term, and
so you couldn't bring the charges against him anyway. Now,
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if you were Donald Trump, would you accept a pardon?
I wouldn't. I would I would not do it at all.
Then Axials does what they call zoom out. It's my
equivalent of let's have a let's have an out of
body experience. Let's go up to thirty thousand feet and
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look down on this story. Some lawmakers want Biden to
go far bigger than just a few high profile pardons.
Progressives are planning a wide ranging push for buy to
issue sweeping pardons for certain nonviolent or low level offenders.
Progressis want pardons for those that are elderly, those that
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are ill, those that are non violent offenders, those who
have been incarcerated because of cannabis convictions. And again that's
Aana Presley, a member of the Squad who's leading that effort.
She added in an interview with Axios that I've had
a lot of members stopping me in the hall today
about it. You know, when everybody tells me that, you know,
when somebody tells me all I've I've had lots of
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people stop me in the hallway talking to me about
what I'm trying to do. I think, yeah, one person did,
maybe two now, they claim the Progressive Caucus Chairman Jayapaul,
the Squad member from Washington State, says that this plan
was in the works even before the Hunter Biden pardon.
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She told Axios that she spoke to the White House
right before Thanksgiving about our asks about plemency clemency. Let's see,
we got a couple of Republicans in on the game.
Kelly Armstrong from North Dakota told Axios that everyone who
was released under the CARES Act during COVID that hasn't
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reoffended should at least be granted clemency released under the CARES.
It's a hyperlinkue, but I don't want to chase it down.
Right wing Congressman Ralph Norman, Republicans from South Carolina, said
that Biden should pardon those convicted for their roles in
the January sixth Capitol riot, though Trump has already signaled
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plans to do just that. I want to get back
to that in just a moment, because I want to
do an entire segment about January sixth defendants. The King Jeffries,
urged Biden on Tuesday to exercise the high level of
compassion he is consistently demonstrated, including toward his son, by
pardoning working class Americans who were the subject to And
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all they say is unjustly aggressive prosecutions. You know, speaking
of unjustly aggressive prosecutions, we may hear today driving in
I heard on the news that we obviously in the
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Daniel pennycase, they started deliberations yesterday. They were in for
and I don't remember the exact time, an hour hour
and a half and the jury came out and asked
for further clarification on the jury instructions. Jury instructions are
probably the number one cause of either convictions or judicial
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decisions either way being overturned because jury instructions can be
very complex, difficult to understand, and juries have a wide
range of latitude in interpreting what the jury instructions say. Now,
you're supposed to take the jury instructions based just on
the four corners. That's the judges. That's the judge's description
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of what the law is and what you must do
in order to find a person guilty or not guilty. Now,
broadly speaking, we know that the state has to prove
beyond a reasonable doubt that someone committed a crime. But
the jury instructions will oftentimes spell out element by element,
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every element of a crime. You know, you have different
crimes have different elements to them, different what's a word
other than element that a crime has different elements the
right word. I can't think of a different word to
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describe it, A different category, a different point, and each
of those points, categories, or elements must be met. If
even one of those is not proven beyond a reasonable doubt,
then a jury cannot find someone guilty of that crime.
So that's why jury instructions are very often seen as
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points of a pellet reversal or a pellet throwing a
case out because they were too complicated, or they weren't
clear enough or whatever. So anyway, the Daniel Perry jury
almost immediately, like within an hour hour and a half
at the most, beginning their deliberations, asked for a clarification.
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And I don't recall exactly whether it was about what
is the meaning of excessive force or you know, what's
the definition of a causal link between a person's action
and a cause of death. You can read those questions
either way, but the question to be explain to us
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again what excessive force is, because we don't think. You know,
you go in and a jury, first thing they do
is they they choose a foreman. There's a whole great
study out about juries that is that there's the only
really in depth study of juries that I know that
I know of that's ever been done, and it talks
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about how the study of juries over a decade or longer,
talks about their typical what a typical jury does. And
they walk in and they sit down and and you know,
there's usually a natural leader. Somebody will speak up first.
They may not necessarily be the jury foreman, but they're
kind of the informal leader of the jury. And somebody
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will speak up and say, well, I guess we need
to elect a foreman, who oftentimes will become the foreman
because they obviously because nobody else necessarily. Now, depending on
the case, someone may or may not want to be
a foremant. But most often you don't want to be
that because you then't have to conduct the jury deliberations
you got, you know, it's a it's a large it's
a huge responsibility. But this jury study indicates that most
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often they walk in and once they've selected a foreman,
they will just take an informal poll what was everybody
thinking about this case? Guilty or not guilty? Just in
very generic terms, guilty or not guilty, And if they
find that they have the unanimus agreement that it's either
one one way or the other, that will often lead
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to somebody saying, okay, well we all seem to think
he's not guilty. Let's look at these instructions, and so
they read through the instructions, which oftentimes takes takes quite
a bit of time to do, and they read through
those instructions and they say, okay, well here's the definition
of excessive force. Do we think that they prove beyond
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a reasonable doubt that Daniel Penny used excessive force? Well, no,
we don't think so. Well, let's let's have the judge
explain to us one more time that what that means.
So that's what happened yesterday, which indicates to me, I
think I think that, based on everything that I've followed
about this case, that they are inclined to find him
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not guilty. Mayor Eric Adams came out yesterday and gave
was doing a press conference, asked about the case, and
he just lasted the prosecution for doing so. You may
or may not be aware that Eric Adams is a
former New York Police officer, and he talked about how
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many times he's been on the subway and he's seen
this kind of a rity, irrational behavior and that the subway.
You know, I'm proud to say that in all my
years of life, my one hundred and twenty two years
on this earth, that I have never ever, ever ridden
the New York City subway. Oh, I've been down into
subway tunnels. I've gone down and now I've looked, but
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I've never like gone through the turnstile and gotten on
a car and gone from uh, you know, Harlem to
the to the tip of Manhattan. I've just never ridden
the subway. And it's also one of those things that
now that I'm getting, you know, to be so damn
old according to Dragon, that now I'm determined I'm never
going to do it.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's one of those things that you've gone so far
and not doing it now, I'm never gonna do it. Dragon.
You'd have to drag my ass onto the subway to
get me right in New York City subway. That's fine, Yeah,
and nobody cares. It's just one of those stupid passive
aggressive things in my personality that Okay, well I've gone
this long not doing it, now I'm never gonna do it.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Just are gonna happen like put on a good show?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, why would I start doing that now? Right? Why
would I start doing that now? We do, however, have
a little case of restorative justice going on. A New
York City prosecutor who is a would say, persecuting Daniel
Penny because he's white probably explains how she recently let
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a black murderer get away with murder because of his
skin color. I get you not.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
So I'm going to give you an example of something
that I did with a recent case of mind. And
this was never has never been.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Done in my office.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
I had a murder case where the defendant did not intentionally.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Kill the victim.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
He went into an atm on the Upper West Side
and tried to rob an individual. Unfortunately, it was an
older individual, he was eighty six, and in the course
of the robbery, he fell to the ground and as
a result, he died. This is, under the law, a
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felony murder, which is akin to intentional murder.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Now, notice what she just admitted, because in the commission
of a felony, she caused the eighty six year old
far to fall to the ground. And you know, I
don't know what happened. He struck his head on the
atm as he was falling to the ground, who knows.
But in the commission of a felony, she caused the
death of another and that is the definition of felony murder.
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So she's admitting that, yes, I had a murder case.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
But however, when I first got the case.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I learned.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
I took the time to learn about the defendant, and it.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Was a strong case.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
So it wasn't about who done it, and knew immediately
who did it.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
I could prove it.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
I could take it to trial that day and win it.
But it wasn't about that. It was that the more
I learned about the defendant in his life and the circumstances,
the kinds of things that Jarrelle was talking about, that
one should take into account the trauma of that individual.
I really felt incredibly sorry for him that he had
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gotten to that point in his life where he felt
like there was no other choice but to commit this robbery.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So she lets a black man get away with murder
because she felt sorry for him because he had a
troubled childhood.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Don't let me bring up Jordan Williams again.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
What I said, a black man who she felt sorry
for because he had a rough childhood. She decided not
to prosecute him because she felt sorry for him. Two
tiered justice. That's what restorative justice is.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
But good morning, goobers, Michael, I implore you to listen
to this interview on Joe Rogan with Mike Bens and
then maybe through a segment about it, you know, next
week or something like that. Because, holy smokes, have a
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great day, everybody.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Guess what I listened to this morning. Now. I don't
know how long. I assume it was a typical Joe
Rogan interview for you know, for three and a half
days or whatever. But I started listening to it this
morning and I got through about seven minutes of it,
and I thought to myself, Holy smokes, I've got to
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do this on air sometime. Yeah, golly, I love days
like this. You know, this is my show. I just
do what I damn well, please because I don't want
I don't want. Well, let me go back to the
text line. Uh no, Google number fifty eight eleven, Michael,
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is the word component? You know, I'm talking about the
elements of a crime. Component. I mean, I think that
might be a good word to use. But what I
think of a compon I think more of a physical object.
I think of, you know, a component like the Uh
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the display on my laptop is a component of the laptop?
Would you agree? Or distributed?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I mean, as long as we're doing linguistics today, what
would you think?
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Yeah, that's exactly what I thought of when you said
component was a physical object. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Now do you think we think that because of the
business we're in. Probably because a component could be you know,
let me just pull up the old dictionary here. Component
a part or element of a larger whole, especially a
part of a machine or a vehicle. See, yeah, I
think we're right.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
And it said element in there too, which is the
word that you were trying to place.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Each of two or more forces, velocities, or other vectors
acting in different directions, which are together equivalent to a
given vector constituting a part of a larger hole, a constituent.
It's a mid seventeenth seventeenth centuries from Latin component putting together. Yeah,
so so you're wrong and we're right as usual. That's
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just the mood I'm in today. But the next the
next text message, and again, remember because somebody I noticed
this last night, gouven Eurber seventeen seventy four wrote Mike
any comments on my stupid question. Well, I didn't know
what the stupid question was, so I had to pull up,
you know, all the messages from seventeen seventy four.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Yeah, oddly enough, you're not the only one that has
sent us to text, and probably between the question and
your question as to any comments, maybe one or two
other text messages has come in, so it's kind of hard.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Or thirty or forty have come in. So last night
I saw that when and I thought, well, what was
your stupid question? And so I scrolled I didn't scroll through.
I just clicked on the phone number to find out
what the other questions were. And no, I don't have
any comments on your stupid question. I mean, you're you're
you're stating something that I've always said here, So so
no I have I have no, I have no comments
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on your stupid question. But sixty two eighty eight rites
This reminded me of another story. And I'm going to
tell you what I told dragon, even though it's probably
probably offend many of you. And again, call the way
that cares. I almost said what I usually say, Call
some way that gives it s word, Mike, is Colorado
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the only state that outlaws pit bulls in a residential
area while releasing wolves in a rural neighborhood? Has police
been smoking cracked with hunter or what so that relates to?
And I didn't realize it had been this long. I
think since two thousand and five, Is that right.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Dragon, I think it said something close to ten years Yeah. Yeah,
So ten years later, Aurora has outlawed pit bulls. We
there was a story and I, for some reason I
think Colorado Springs. I may be wrong, but I think
Colorado Springs there was a young child. I don't think
the child was The child wasn't killed. I don't think
was it. I don't recall.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, but but a child was attacked by a coyote
or some of us might say a coyote. And I
don't mean the human kind. I mean like the actual
animal kind, not the kind that comes across the river.
It comes across the Rio Grande. And I told Dragon
off air yesterday, I said, I don't want any child
to be attacked by any animal. But if a child
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is going to have to be attacked by an animal,
why can't it have been a wolf instead of a coyote?
Because I'd like to see what the first husband, Marlon
Reese would have to say about the introduction of all
the wolves in the Colorado and now have one attack
of child. What would you say then, Marlon, what do
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you got to say about that? You blame the child?
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Huh. You gotta blame the child at that point.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Well, of course the child was someplace where the child
should not have been, and the child should have deferred
to the wolf and said, hello, mister wolf, can I
get you an arm or a leg or anything? What
would you like? What would you like? Residents of a
senior housing complex have risen up in revolt against a
patronizing ban on alcohol in their communal living area.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
You know, this.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Story reminds me of what's going on in South Korea.
So in South Korea yesterday we had and I made
a fairly big deal about it, because it was a
big deal breaking news that the that at close to
midnight night before last, the South Korean President Yun I
think that's his name, had declared martial law. And so
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now there was riding in the streets, Parliament was upset.
Everybody was in a dither, and of course Kim Jong un,
sitting you know across the DMZ, is watching, going hmm,
do I attack now or do I attack later? And
apparently the United States Department of State issued a warning
that you need to be careful here. And as quickly
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as we had martial law, we no longer had martial law.
I don't know why I think these these two stories
are related, but imagine that where is this Well, it
comes from Dutch news dot NL, so it comes from
the Netherlands. So of course it's got words that have
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you know, sixteen consonants in the same you know, in
a row. So I can't pronounce anything about where this
complex is. But some you know old fart complex has
decide to ban or forbids strong drink like port or
gin from the daytime area, including during group activities such
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as bingo nights. Now explain now, first, let's just slap
about that for a moment. So the old farts are
having bingo and you can't drink. But if you read
the story closely, which I know Dragon didn't do, because
all he saw was the headline tempers spill over as
spill over as elderly residents revolt against Boo's band. Well,
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of course that caught Dragon's attention, but he missed the
best part of all of it. This this old Farts
home has forbidden strong drink during group activities such as
bingo nights. However, now when I say a strong drink righton,
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what do you think, For example, what would you think
of a strong.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Drink o something harder than other beer?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Okay? Would you consider wine to be a hard drink?
Not really? Okay, well okay, wine, beer and cider are
still allowed during bingo nights, right, but you can't have tequila? Yeah?
See now why because the old farts are gonna like
in the movies, you're cheating so that you stand up,
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you draw your gun and then you throw the poker
table over. Is that the old farts in the Netherlands
are doing.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
I just more or less worry about. I know in
those old fart homes that there's a lot of sexual
depravity going on.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
So I also loss sexual there's a lot of sdis and.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
So I would I would see if you get you know, Ethel,
she gets a couple of drinks in her, she's gonna
take your clothes off. And I don't think the attendees
that work there are like, now, let's not do that.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Other banners displaying messages such as not anymore, stop being patronizing,
talk with us, not about us. I have no idea
what that means. Aria, one of the three sisters in
their seventies, told this this Dutch outlet. People just have
a glass of wine or an advocate with bingo. Most
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of us don't drink at all. Uh, we want to
see how we're being nannied in displace because nothing ever
happens here. People just have a drink on Friday afternoon.
Local Pensioners Party VSB asked questions in the local council
chamber about the policy back in October. God, I love
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this stuff. You know there is something on again, I don't.
I know. I say this a lot, probably too much.
I don't remember where. I wasn't paying attention to wear
because it's I only pay attention to things I know
I want to talk about. But then things come up
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that I never thought I would talk about. But speaking
of old farts homes, they were speaking. They were talking
about how the best days of your life are when
you're really young and when you're really old. And part
of the reason is when you're really young, like you know,
you're a baby, you're an infant, or you're one or
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two years old, all your needs are taken care of.
And then when you get to be really old, you're
old enough that you've lived through life. You live through
all of the middle age in your career and everything else,
and then you get to be an old fart and well,
kind of like me, you just don't care anymore. You
just don't give a ratsass squat anybody thinks or whatever,
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and people start to take care of you again, except
for my children, who apparently don't love me because they
don't do squad for me.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
They'll just put you in a nice home.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
No, they'll put me in a cheap home. They won't
put me in a nice home. They'll put me in
a cheap home. I just wanted to wish you, gentlemen,
a really nice and happy day.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
That's all, just saying, Well, that's very kind of.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
You, Thank you. What she really saying, dragon.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
I just I'm taking the fact that she wasn't addressing
it to you, just to me. Okay, all right, that
sounds more normal.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So, speaking of assisted living centers or senior homes, a
Saint Charles Police Department, that's an Illinois a Saint Charles
Police Department officer for he shot a shirtless, chainsaw wielding
man who was allegedly threatening an assisted living center this
past Sunday. Witnesses reported that the suspect was trying to
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cut down a tree on the property. Of River Glen
of Saint Charles, the Illinois Assistant Living Center. He got
entry into the lobby just before the Pope arrived on
the scene, according to a press release from the city,
After arriving officers chased the suspect after he attempted to
use the chainsaw against residents of the building. First aid
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was immediately rendered. However, the suspect was later pronounced deceased
at the north He was a dr was he died later.
He died later at the hospital. That's the kind of
nursing home or assisted living center that my kids would
put me in the time, the kind where chainsaw wielding
men break in and then attempt to you know what,
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They come in and just destroy you. And then the
last thing, well here, well.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
You see, they got a call about a shirtless man
at trying to cut down a tree here on the
property with a chainsaw. Officers see, when they arrived, it
quickly escalated, forcing an officer to shoot and kill the suspect.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
Oh my goodness, that's very scary, just because it's such
a quiet neighborhood. You know, we see a lot of
people walking up and down and boy shocking, and.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
They were probably playing you know. Now, I know it's
assisted living, but they could still be playing bingo. Maybe
he just wanted in on the bingo game, or maybe
he was there because he was mad because he had
a relative in there, and they weren't allowed to drink beer,
wine or any sort of quote strong drink while they
were playing bingo. I mean, you talked about their control
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freaks everywhere, and so sometimes you just got to have
a chain wielding, chainsaw wielding nut job to come in
and straighten things out.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
The confrontation unfolding around eight forty five Sunday morning at
the River Glen of Saint Charles assisted Living center. Police
see when they arrived on seeing the suspect had already
gained entry into the facility and was confronting residents, many
of them seniors, with the chainsaw.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
They gained Wait a minute. It occurred at a senior
center assisted living center, a one of those combo places,
and the reporter or the cop makes a master of
the obvious.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
State, arrived on seeing the suspect had already gained entry
into the facility and was confronting residents, many of them seniors.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Many of them were seniors at the senior assisted Living Center.
That's journalism, kids, that's journalism with the chainsaw.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Well, I know what how vulnerable these people are and
what they go through.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
Investigator tell us they tried to de escalate the situation
by using a taser, but say the man continued his
attack on tenants and officer.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
And once again we have an example of where I mean,
I don't know who invented the taser, but how often
do we hear stories about yeah, you know, he was
getting ready to shoot people, so we tased them and
it didn't do anything. We tased, and we tase and
we tays and they ended up dead right there because
they ended up shooting them. Anyway, Why why spend the
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money on the tasers. Let's just go straight to the
service weapons and just put them down, Just put them down.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
And that's when the police say one of their own
shots the suspect. The man was taken to a hospital
in Geneva where he died.
Speaker 8 (33:45):
He scares us, but I'm sure it's a one time incident.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Oh, there'll be copycats, just like school shootings. Yeah, let's
start locking down senior citizens. And by the way, where
woul they take him all the way to Geneva I mean,
if you're in Illinois, why would you fly someone all
the way to Geneva. Of course he died because you know,
you put him on a metavac and you fly him
all the way to Geneva, Switzerland to get care. I
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just don't get it. Dragon the news today, by the way,
is martial law back on this morning or not? I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
I give it a couple hours, Okay, a.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Couple of hours. Do we have a verdict yet? But
let's see, it's only not quite nine o'clock. Court probably
hasn't convened yet. I bet we get a verdict today.
In fact, I bet there's at least a fifty to
fifty chance that we get boy, that's a Mandy Pandy
kind of prediction. Isn't it a fifty to fifty chance
we get a verdict during the program today
Interesting video and post yesterday about Chuck Todd actually getting
angry that Hunter had turned his brother's widow, Hayley into
a crack addict. And the way that Jill and Joe
Biden dealt with their family's problems is he ran for president.
(00:23):
How many other lives did Hunter negatively impact by his actions?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, I didn't expect that particular talk back this morning,
but let me see if I can quickly find here.
Here we go, Chuck Todd.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I followed the Hunter Biden traveled very closely. I read
every trainscript, all the testimony is that's what you call
that was made public, and there is you want to
you want to read, you want to you want to
get angry just as a as as somebody in just
all these mixed emotions. You read the Hally Biden transcript
and that's both widow yes, and essentially he turned her
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into a crack addict. And this was all happening in
twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, and Joe and Joe Biden were
so concerned about their family that they decided to run
for president.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I just so when you talk about the word selfish,
it's almost like the word doesn't. I mean, their decision
to run for president put the entire Democratic Party and
the United States of America in the position that it's in.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Now, sure I find interesting about that. I mean I
had seen that clip yesterday, but it was Chuck Todd.
They didn't really have any interest in it. I saw
the transcript, so I knew what it said, but it
was like, am, okay. But but then Alex leaves that
(01:58):
talk back, so I think, okay, we'll play that at
the same time. This morning that I get from Agent
jed A, this story Congress hands Biden a huge Hunter
driven pardon wish list. This again comes from Axios. President
Biden's pardon of his son Hunter has opened the floodgates
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to a battery of request from members of Congress and
both parties for additional pardons. Now, you know Axios always
does this. Why does this matter? And then let's zoom in.
I mean, it's it's just their little format that they use.
Biden has received more than ten thousand, five hundred pardon
requests over his four years in office, but has only
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issued twenty five, a historically low number even for single
presidential terms. According to the doj Axials reports, though that.
But now Biden's controversial act pardoning his son has unleashed
a wave of please on behalf of people can victed
or accused of various crimes, including figures such as Wiki
(03:03):
Leak's founder Julian Assange, an NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. So
then Axio says, let's zoom in. Several lawmakers have very
specific pardons or commutations in mind that they would like
to see Biden issue. He's opened the floodgates, Absolutely opened
(03:24):
the floodgates. Jim McGovern, who's a Democrat from Massachusetts, wants
his colleagues to join him in request on behalf of
Stephen Donzinger, an environmental lawyer accused of fraudulent evidence to
win a lawsuit against Chevron. According to a draft later
that was first obtained by Axios, McGovern is also urging
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Biden in a separate letter to posthumously exonerate Ethel Rosenberg,
remember the Rosenberg's executed for spying, citing significant evidence that
she did not engage the Soviet spying for which she
was executed in nineteen fifty three. Thomas Mathy. Now I
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just find it interesting, is Thomas Mathy, the very conservative,
appropriately conservative congressman from Kentucky, Republican by the way, has
also urged Biden to pardon Juliana Sange, but he told
Axios he went to pardons for Snowden and for drug
trafficker Ross Ulbrick, seen by libertarians such as Massy as
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anti government crusaders. I know nothing about Ulbrick. That's a
story that went right past me. No idea, and I
don't care. Diana Presley, a member of the squad from Massachusetts,
sighted Billy Allen who's a death row inmate who says
he was wrongfully convicted of murder, as well as Michelle
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West and is ishmael Lera who are serving life sentences
for drug real defenses. I don't know anything about any
of those cases, nor do I care, But you see,
it's time to jump on the bandwagon. And then, of
course Alexandria Acasia Cortez ako AOC. She went to pardon
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for the indigenous activist Leonard Peltier, who was convicted of
killing two FBI agents. And then there are apparently lawmakers
I had heard something about this, might didn't pay much
attention to it. That there are several lawmakers who are
now urging Biden to pardon President elect Donald Trump for
his actions related to January sixth and his handling it
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classified documents. Why why would you part? Why? First of all,
why would you I understand the political point that they're
trying to make, But why would you ask for a
pardon when the cases are being dismissed and I assume
they're going to be dismissed with prejudice, with prejudice meaning
(06:03):
that they cannot be brought again? And I would probably don't.
I don't know this for a fact. I'm just guessing
out loud. But if you dismiss those federal cases today,
the statute limitations probably runs during the president's term, and
so you couldn't bring the charges against him anyway. Now,
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if you were Donald Trump, would you accept a pardon?
I wouldn't. I would I would not do it at all.
Then Axials does what they call zoom out. It's my
equivalent of let's have a let's have an out of
body experience. Let's go up to thirty thousand feet and
(06:48):
look down on this story. Some lawmakers want Biden to
go far bigger than just a few high profile pardons.
Progressives are planning a wide ranging push for buy to
issue sweeping pardons for certain nonviolent or low level offenders.
Progressis want pardons for those that are elderly, those that
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are ill, those that are non violent offenders, those who
have been incarcerated because of cannabis convictions. And again that's
Aana Presley, a member of the Squad who's leading that effort.
She added in an interview with Axios that I've had
a lot of members stopping me in the hall today
about it. You know, when everybody tells me that, you know,
when somebody tells me all I've I've had lots of
(07:32):
people stop me in the hallway talking to me about
what I'm trying to do. I think, yeah, one person did,
maybe two now, they claim the Progressive Caucus Chairman Jayapaul,
the Squad member from Washington State, says that this plan
was in the works even before the Hunter Biden pardon.
(07:54):
She told Axios that she spoke to the White House
right before Thanksgiving about our asks about plemency clemency. Let's see,
we got a couple of Republicans in on the game.
Kelly Armstrong from North Dakota told Axios that everyone who
was released under the CARES Act during COVID that hasn't
(08:16):
reoffended should at least be granted clemency released under the CARES.
It's a hyperlinkue, but I don't want to chase it down.
Right wing Congressman Ralph Norman, Republicans from South Carolina, said
that Biden should pardon those convicted for their roles in
the January sixth Capitol riot, though Trump has already signaled
(08:36):
plans to do just that. I want to get back
to that in just a moment, because I want to
do an entire segment about January sixth defendants. The King Jeffries,
urged Biden on Tuesday to exercise the high level of
compassion he is consistently demonstrated, including toward his son, by
pardoning working class Americans who were the subject to And
(09:01):
all they say is unjustly aggressive prosecutions. You know, speaking
of unjustly aggressive prosecutions, we may hear today driving in
I heard on the news that we obviously in the
(09:23):
Daniel pennycase, they started deliberations yesterday. They were in for
and I don't remember the exact time, an hour hour
and a half and the jury came out and asked
for further clarification on the jury instructions. Jury instructions are
probably the number one cause of either convictions or judicial
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decisions either way being overturned because jury instructions can be
very complex, difficult to understand, and juries have a wide
range of latitude in interpreting what the jury instructions say. Now,
you're supposed to take the jury instructions based just on
the four corners. That's the judges. That's the judge's description
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of what the law is and what you must do
in order to find a person guilty or not guilty. Now,
broadly speaking, we know that the state has to prove
beyond a reasonable doubt that someone committed a crime. But
the jury instructions will oftentimes spell out element by element,
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every element of a crime. You know, you have different
crimes have different elements to them, different what's a word
other than element that a crime has different elements the
right word. I can't think of a different word to
(10:55):
describe it, A different category, a different point, and each
of those points, categories, or elements must be met. If
even one of those is not proven beyond a reasonable doubt,
then a jury cannot find someone guilty of that crime.
So that's why jury instructions are very often seen as
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points of a pellet reversal or a pellet throwing a
case out because they were too complicated, or they weren't
clear enough or whatever. So anyway, the Daniel Perry jury
almost immediately, like within an hour hour and a half
at the most, beginning their deliberations, asked for a clarification.
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And I don't recall exactly whether it was about what
is the meaning of excessive force or you know, what's
the definition of a causal link between a person's action
and a cause of death. You can read those questions
either way, but the question to be explain to us
(12:03):
again what excessive force is, because we don't think. You know,
you go in and a jury, first thing they do
is they they choose a foreman. There's a whole great
study out about juries that is that there's the only
really in depth study of juries that I know that
I know of that's ever been done, and it talks
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about how the study of juries over a decade or longer,
talks about their typical what a typical jury does. And
they walk in and they sit down and and you know,
there's usually a natural leader. Somebody will speak up first.
They may not necessarily be the jury foreman, but they're
kind of the informal leader of the jury. And somebody
(12:47):
will speak up and say, well, I guess we need
to elect a foreman, who oftentimes will become the foreman
because they obviously because nobody else necessarily. Now, depending on
the case, someone may or may not want to be
a foremant. But most often you don't want to be
that because you then't have to conduct the jury deliberations
you got, you know, it's a it's a large it's
a huge responsibility. But this jury study indicates that most
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often they walk in and once they've selected a foreman,
they will just take an informal poll what was everybody
thinking about this case? Guilty or not guilty? Just in
very generic terms, guilty or not guilty, And if they
find that they have the unanimus agreement that it's either
one one way or the other, that will often lead
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to somebody saying, okay, well we all seem to think
he's not guilty. Let's look at these instructions, and so
they read through the instructions, which oftentimes takes takes quite
a bit of time to do, and they read through
those instructions and they say, okay, well here's the definition
of excessive force. Do we think that they prove beyond
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a reasonable doubt that Daniel Penny used excessive force? Well, no,
we don't think so. Well, let's let's have the judge
explain to us one more time that what that means.
So that's what happened yesterday, which indicates to me, I
think I think that, based on everything that I've followed
about this case, that they are inclined to find him
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not guilty. Mayor Eric Adams came out yesterday and gave
was doing a press conference, asked about the case, and
he just lasted the prosecution for doing so. You may
or may not be aware that Eric Adams is a
former New York Police officer, and he talked about how
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many times he's been on the subway and he's seen
this kind of a rity, irrational behavior and that the subway.
You know, I'm proud to say that in all my
years of life, my one hundred and twenty two years
on this earth, that I have never ever, ever ridden
the New York City subway. Oh, I've been down into
subway tunnels. I've gone down and now I've looked, but
(15:04):
I've never like gone through the turnstile and gotten on
a car and gone from uh, you know, Harlem to
the to the tip of Manhattan. I've just never ridden
the subway. And it's also one of those things that
now that I'm getting, you know, to be so damn
old according to Dragon, that now I'm determined I'm never
going to do it.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's one of those things that you've gone so far
and not doing it now, I'm never gonna do it. Dragon.
You'd have to drag my ass onto the subway to
get me right in New York City subway. That's fine, Yeah,
and nobody cares. It's just one of those stupid passive
aggressive things in my personality that Okay, well I've gone
this long not doing it, now I'm never gonna do it.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Just are gonna happen like put on a good show?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, why would I start doing that now? Right? Why
would I start doing that now? We do, however, have
a little case of restorative justice going on. A New
York City prosecutor who is a would say, persecuting Daniel
Penny because he's white probably explains how she recently let
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a black murderer get away with murder because of his
skin color. I get you not.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
So I'm going to give you an example of something
that I did with a recent case of mind. And
this was never has never been.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Done in my office.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
I had a murder case where the defendant did not intentionally.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Kill the victim.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
He went into an atm on the Upper West Side
and tried to rob an individual. Unfortunately, it was an
older individual, he was eighty six, and in the course
of the robbery, he fell to the ground and as
a result, he died. This is, under the law, a
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felony murder, which is akin to intentional murder.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Now, notice what she just admitted, because in the commission
of a felony, she caused the eighty six year old
far to fall to the ground. And you know, I
don't know what happened. He struck his head on the
atm as he was falling to the ground, who knows.
But in the commission of a felony, she caused the
death of another and that is the definition of felony murder.
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So she's admitting that, yes, I had a murder case.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
But however, when I first got the case.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I learned.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
I took the time to learn about the defendant, and it.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Was a strong case.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
So it wasn't about who done it, and knew immediately
who did it.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
I could prove it.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
I could take it to trial that day and win it.
But it wasn't about that. It was that the more
I learned about the defendant in his life and the circumstances,
the kinds of things that Jarrelle was talking about, that
one should take into account the trauma of that individual.
I really felt incredibly sorry for him that he had
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gotten to that point in his life where he felt
like there was no other choice but to commit this robbery.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So she lets a black man get away with murder
because she felt sorry for him because he had a
troubled childhood.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Don't let me bring up Jordan Williams again.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
What I said, a black man who she felt sorry
for because he had a rough childhood. She decided not
to prosecute him because she felt sorry for him. Two
tiered justice. That's what restorative justice is.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
But good morning, goobers, Michael, I implore you to listen
to this interview on Joe Rogan with Mike Bens and
then maybe through a segment about it, you know, next
week or something like that. Because, holy smokes, have a
(19:04):
great day, everybody.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Guess what I listened to this morning. Now. I don't
know how long. I assume it was a typical Joe
Rogan interview for you know, for three and a half
days or whatever. But I started listening to it this
morning and I got through about seven minutes of it,
and I thought to myself, Holy smokes, I've got to
(19:27):
do this on air sometime. Yeah, golly, I love days
like this. You know, this is my show. I just
do what I damn well, please because I don't want
I don't want. Well, let me go back to the
text line. Uh no, Google number fifty eight eleven, Michael,
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is the word component? You know, I'm talking about the
elements of a crime. Component. I mean, I think that
might be a good word to use. But what I
think of a compon I think more of a physical object.
I think of, you know, a component like the Uh
(20:11):
the display on my laptop is a component of the laptop?
Would you agree? Or distributed?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I mean, as long as we're doing linguistics today, what
would you think?
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Yeah, that's exactly what I thought of when you said
component was a physical object. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Now do you think we think that because of the
business we're in. Probably because a component could be you know,
let me just pull up the old dictionary here. Component
a part or element of a larger whole, especially a
part of a machine or a vehicle. See, yeah, I
think we're right.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
And it said element in there too, which is the
word that you were trying to place.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Each of two or more forces, velocities, or other vectors
acting in different directions, which are together equivalent to a
given vector constituting a part of a larger hole, a constituent.
It's a mid seventeenth seventeenth centuries from Latin component putting together. Yeah,
so so you're wrong and we're right as usual. That's
(21:10):
just the mood I'm in today. But the next the
next text message, and again, remember because somebody I noticed
this last night, gouven Eurber seventeen seventy four wrote Mike
any comments on my stupid question. Well, I didn't know
what the stupid question was, so I had to pull up,
you know, all the messages from seventeen seventy four.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Yeah, oddly enough, you're not the only one that has
sent us to text, and probably between the question and
your question as to any comments, maybe one or two
other text messages has come in, so it's kind of hard.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Or thirty or forty have come in. So last night
I saw that when and I thought, well, what was
your stupid question? And so I scrolled I didn't scroll through.
I just clicked on the phone number to find out
what the other questions were. And no, I don't have
any comments on your stupid question. I mean, you're you're
you're stating something that I've always said here, So so
no I have I have no, I have no comments
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on your stupid question. But sixty two eighty eight rites
This reminded me of another story. And I'm going to
tell you what I told dragon, even though it's probably
probably offend many of you. And again, call the way
that cares. I almost said what I usually say, Call
some way that gives it s word, Mike, is Colorado
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the only state that outlaws pit bulls in a residential
area while releasing wolves in a rural neighborhood? Has police
been smoking cracked with hunter or what so that relates to?
And I didn't realize it had been this long. I
think since two thousand and five, Is that right.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Dragon, I think it said something close to ten years Yeah. Yeah,
So ten years later, Aurora has outlawed pit bulls. We
there was a story and I, for some reason I
think Colorado Springs. I may be wrong, but I think
Colorado Springs there was a young child. I don't think
the child was The child wasn't killed. I don't think
was it. I don't recall.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, but but a child was attacked by a coyote
or some of us might say a coyote. And I
don't mean the human kind. I mean like the actual
animal kind, not the kind that comes across the river.
It comes across the Rio Grande. And I told Dragon
off air yesterday, I said, I don't want any child
to be attacked by any animal. But if a child
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is going to have to be attacked by an animal,
why can't it have been a wolf instead of a coyote?
Because I'd like to see what the first husband, Marlon
Reese would have to say about the introduction of all
the wolves in the Colorado and now have one attack
of child. What would you say then, Marlon, what do
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you got to say about that? You blame the child?
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Huh. You gotta blame the child at that point.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Well, of course the child was someplace where the child
should not have been, and the child should have deferred
to the wolf and said, hello, mister wolf, can I
get you an arm or a leg or anything? What
would you like? What would you like? Residents of a
senior housing complex have risen up in revolt against a
patronizing ban on alcohol in their communal living area.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
You know, this.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Story reminds me of what's going on in South Korea.
So in South Korea yesterday we had and I made
a fairly big deal about it, because it was a
big deal breaking news that the that at close to
midnight night before last, the South Korean President Yun I
think that's his name, had declared martial law. And so
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now there was riding in the streets, Parliament was upset.
Everybody was in a dither, and of course Kim Jong un,
sitting you know across the DMZ, is watching, going hmm,
do I attack now or do I attack later? And
apparently the United States Department of State issued a warning
that you need to be careful here. And as quickly
(25:00):
as we had martial law, we no longer had martial law.
I don't know why I think these these two stories
are related, but imagine that where is this Well, it
comes from Dutch news dot NL, so it comes from
the Netherlands. So of course it's got words that have
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you know, sixteen consonants in the same you know, in
a row. So I can't pronounce anything about where this
complex is. But some you know old fart complex has
decide to ban or forbids strong drink like port or
gin from the daytime area, including during group activities such
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as bingo nights. Now explain now, first, let's just slap
about that for a moment. So the old farts are
having bingo and you can't drink. But if you read
the story closely, which I know Dragon didn't do, because
all he saw was the headline tempers spill over as
spill over as elderly residents revolt against Boo's band. Well,
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of course that caught Dragon's attention, but he missed the
best part of all of it. This this old Farts
home has forbidden strong drink during group activities such as
bingo nights. However, now when I say a strong drink righton,
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what do you think, For example, what would you think
of a strong.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Drink o something harder than other beer?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Okay? Would you consider wine to be a hard drink?
Not really? Okay, well okay, wine, beer and cider are
still allowed during bingo nights, right, but you can't have tequila? Yeah?
See now why because the old farts are gonna like
in the movies, you're cheating so that you stand up,
(26:59):
you draw your gun and then you throw the poker
table over. Is that the old farts in the Netherlands
are doing.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
I just more or less worry about. I know in
those old fart homes that there's a lot of sexual
depravity going on.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
So I also loss sexual there's a lot of sdis and.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
So I would I would see if you get you know, Ethel,
she gets a couple of drinks in her, she's gonna
take your clothes off. And I don't think the attendees
that work there are like, now, let's not do that.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Other banners displaying messages such as not anymore, stop being patronizing,
talk with us, not about us. I have no idea
what that means. Aria, one of the three sisters in
their seventies, told this this Dutch outlet. People just have
a glass of wine or an advocate with bingo. Most
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of us don't drink at all. Uh, we want to
see how we're being nannied in displace because nothing ever
happens here. People just have a drink on Friday afternoon.
Local Pensioners Party VSB asked questions in the local council
chamber about the policy back in October. God, I love
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this stuff. You know there is something on again, I don't.
I know. I say this a lot, probably too much.
I don't remember where. I wasn't paying attention to wear
because it's I only pay attention to things I know
I want to talk about. But then things come up
(28:29):
that I never thought I would talk about. But speaking
of old farts homes, they were speaking. They were talking
about how the best days of your life are when
you're really young and when you're really old. And part
of the reason is when you're really young, like you know,
you're a baby, you're an infant, or you're one or
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two years old, all your needs are taken care of.
And then when you get to be really old, you're
old enough that you've lived through life. You live through
all of the middle age in your career and everything else,
and then you get to be an old fart and well,
kind of like me, you just don't care anymore. You
just don't give a ratsass squat anybody thinks or whatever,
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and people start to take care of you again, except
for my children, who apparently don't love me because they
don't do squad for me.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
They'll just put you in a nice home.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
No, they'll put me in a cheap home. They won't
put me in a nice home. They'll put me in
a cheap home. I just wanted to wish you, gentlemen,
a really nice and happy day.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
That's all, just saying, Well, that's very kind of.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
You, Thank you. What she really saying, dragon.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
I just I'm taking the fact that she wasn't addressing
it to you, just to me. Okay, all right, that
sounds more normal.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So, speaking of assisted living centers or senior homes, a
Saint Charles Police Department, that's an Illinois a Saint Charles
Police Department officer for he shot a shirtless, chainsaw wielding
man who was allegedly threatening an assisted living center this
past Sunday. Witnesses reported that the suspect was trying to
(30:10):
cut down a tree on the property. Of River Glen
of Saint Charles, the Illinois Assistant Living Center. He got
entry into the lobby just before the Pope arrived on
the scene, according to a press release from the city,
After arriving officers chased the suspect after he attempted to
use the chainsaw against residents of the building. First aid
(30:31):
was immediately rendered. However, the suspect was later pronounced deceased
at the north He was a dr was he died later.
He died later at the hospital. That's the kind of
nursing home or assisted living center that my kids would
put me in the time, the kind where chainsaw wielding
men break in and then attempt to you know what,
(30:55):
They come in and just destroy you. And then the
last thing, well here, well.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
You see, they got a call about a shirtless man
at trying to cut down a tree here on the
property with a chainsaw. Officers see, when they arrived, it
quickly escalated, forcing an officer to shoot and kill the suspect.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
Oh my goodness, that's very scary, just because it's such
a quiet neighborhood. You know, we see a lot of
people walking up and down and boy shocking, and.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
They were probably playing you know. Now, I know it's
assisted living, but they could still be playing bingo. Maybe
he just wanted in on the bingo game, or maybe
he was there because he was mad because he had
a relative in there, and they weren't allowed to drink beer,
wine or any sort of quote strong drink while they
were playing bingo. I mean, you talked about their control
(31:50):
freaks everywhere, and so sometimes you just got to have
a chain wielding, chainsaw wielding nut job to come in
and straighten things out.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
The confrontation unfolding around eight forty five Sunday morning at
the River Glen of Saint Charles assisted Living center. Police
see when they arrived on seeing the suspect had already
gained entry into the facility and was confronting residents, many
of them seniors, with the chainsaw.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
They gained Wait a minute. It occurred at a senior
center assisted living center, a one of those combo places,
and the reporter or the cop makes a master of
the obvious.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
State, arrived on seeing the suspect had already gained entry
into the facility and was confronting residents, many of them seniors.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Many of them were seniors at the senior assisted Living Center.
That's journalism, kids, that's journalism with the chainsaw.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Well, I know what how vulnerable these people are and
what they go through.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
Investigator tell us they tried to de escalate the situation
by using a taser, but say the man continued his
attack on tenants and officer.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
And once again we have an example of where I mean,
I don't know who invented the taser, but how often
do we hear stories about yeah, you know, he was
getting ready to shoot people, so we tased them and
it didn't do anything. We tased, and we tase and
we tays and they ended up dead right there because
they ended up shooting them. Anyway, Why why spend the
(33:30):
money on the tasers. Let's just go straight to the
service weapons and just put them down, Just put them down.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
And that's when the police say one of their own
shots the suspect. The man was taken to a hospital
in Geneva where he died.
Speaker 8 (33:45):
He scares us, but I'm sure it's a one time incident.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Oh, there'll be copycats, just like school shootings. Yeah, let's
start locking down senior citizens. And by the way, where
woul they take him all the way to Geneva I mean,
if you're in Illinois, why would you fly someone all
the way to Geneva. Of course he died because you know,
you put him on a metavac and you fly him
all the way to Geneva, Switzerland to get care. I
(34:10):
just don't get it. Dragon the news today, by the way,
is martial law back on this morning or not? I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
I give it a couple hours, Okay, a.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Couple of hours. Do we have a verdict yet? But
let's see, it's only not quite nine o'clock. Court probably
hasn't convened yet. I bet we get a verdict today.
In fact, I bet there's at least a fifty to
fifty chance that we get boy, that's a Mandy Pandy
kind of prediction. Isn't it a fifty to fifty chance
we get a verdict during the program today
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