12-14-24 The Weekend Hour 3: J6 DOJ Inspector General's Report

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Go do that right now. Let's talk about January sixth
for a moment. Now some of you are probably like, a,
like what I'm going to say about this, but just
bear with me, okay. So Wednesday, the FBI Director Christopher
Ray announced his pending resignation. He can either wait until

(01:36):
January twentieth at twelve oh one in the afternoon and
then be summarily fired by the president. Now, Ray has
three years left on a ten year term. And let
me explain these terms. They give FBI directors ten year
terms so that they can serve through an administration. It's

(01:59):
a limited it's not really a set term. It's a
limitation that what they tried to do with a ten
year term was to prevent somebody like another j Edgar
he Hoover from just serving for you know, thirty years,
so they gave him ten year terms. They still serve
at the pleasure of the president. So just as Trump

(02:22):
fired James Comey, who was the FBI director when Trump
won back in twenty sixteen, and then Trump appointed Christopher Ray.
He can under the whole concept of a unitary president,
unitary executive, he can fire the FBI director. So Christopher
Ray made the right decision in my opinion, that is,
I'm going to resign prior to January twentieth. I haven't

(02:45):
decided exactly what day yet, but I want the world
and i want the president, the president elect to know
that I'm going to leave. That way, he can get
his own person in here, which is fine. Then a
day later, four year old news four years old came
out that twenty six FBI informants were on the ground

(03:08):
at the Capitol in January sixth, twenty twenty one. Strange coincidental, No,
there are no coincidences in DC. Now, before I get
to the report from the Department of Justice's Inspector General,
Michael Horowitz, I went to caution conservatives everywhere, this information

(03:34):
is going to be used to discredit and censor anybody
who says anything remotely close to pay the FBI inside
of that ride on January sixth. Now we know if
you pay attention to the cabal, that it was Donald
Trump that inside of the insurrection, you silly goose. Now

(03:58):
don't think for a minute that anybody else had anything
to do with it. Now, I see that tongue in cheek,
seriously titaning that sarcastically. But there are some on the
right already using this new Inspector General's that IG's report
to somehow accuse the FBI of orchestrating the entire riot

(04:20):
on that day, or even just participating in it, because
reality is actually more nuanced than that. They will be
centered by big tech, and they'll invite even more cabal
stories about the boatload of misinformation coming out of right
wing not jobs like me. NBC News provides an example.

(04:44):
Here's what NBC News said the report. The IG's report
also includes details that will almost certainly fuel the Fed
surrection narrative that has been growing on the right and
among Donald Trump supporters, the false no that the federal
government was responsible for instigating the attack. ABC News another

(05:06):
member of the cabal. Same thing. Disinspector General Probe finds
no evidence the FEDS were involved in inciting the January
sixth attack. Now note the precise wording in both of
those stories that the federal government was responsible for instigating
the attack. The FEDS were involved in inciting the attack. Now,

(05:30):
for years, every time Christopher Ray is either asked about
this by the media or by members of Congress, he
has repeatedly refused to divulge how many FBI personnel or
informants were there that day, And then all the other
FBI agents follow suit, stonewalling congressional inquiries. Back in July,

(05:56):
Christopher Ray told Congress that if you're asking if the
violence at the capital was part of some operation orchestrated
by FBI sources or agents, the answer is no. Now again,
listen closely. If you're asking if the violence at the
Capitol was part of some operation orchestrated by FBI sources

(06:19):
or agents, the answer is no. Now, that's a very
specific denial. Well, this week the Department of Justice IG
issued this long awaited report with a real doozy in it.
Twenty six FBI informants or what they call chs's confidential
human sources. According to the report, quote, we're in DC

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on January sixth in connection with the events planned for
January six Now, the Inspector General, Now, let me just
say this about Michael Horowitz. I don't know him personally,
but I do know that he has a very good
reputation in DC. He's known to be fair, objective and
actually very clear when it comes to his reports. He

(07:07):
has no qualms about calling out wrongdoing. He's a great
IG in my opinion. He assures us this quote. We
found no evidence in the materials we reviewed or the
testimony we received showing or suggesting that the FBI had
undercover employees in the various protest crowds or at the

(07:30):
Capitol in January sixth. Now pay attention, please, because that
singular detail no undercover employees. That those are the three
words he used, no undercover employees. That is key to

(07:51):
the Democrats of that matter, of the cabal's efforts to
discredit all of us on the right who kept claiming
that there were some fed of some sort in the
crowd on January sixth. Indeed, here's how the leading newspaper,
the Washington Post, headlined the IG report FBI did not

(08:13):
have undercover agents at January sixth. Riots watch Dog says, Now,
the report itself is about twenty six FBI informants at
the Capitol on January sixth, but the Washington Post strategically
chose to highlight something else why I'll explain. Next, It's

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that you need. So back to this Inspector General's report

(09:24):
that reveals that there were twenty six confidential human sources
on the grounds of the US Capital and the inside
the capital on January sixth, twenty twenty one, something you
and I have known for what since twenty twenty one,
almost four years now? Now? As the Washington Post points

(09:48):
out the FBI quote in their headline, the FBI did
not have undercover agents at the January sixth riots watch
Dog says, that's the headline, so they purposely use the
term undercover agents. Now to take it one step further,
according to the Inspector General, only three out of the

(10:11):
twenty six confidential human sources, only three of the twenty
six were given instructions regarding observation efforts. The other twenty three,
according to the report, decided on their own to go
to the capital. Now that two is going to be
used against anybody who asserts that the FBI was participating

(10:32):
either way. The report adds this quote. None of these
FBI confidential human sources were authorized to enter the capital
or a restricted area, or to otherwise break the law
on January six, Nor was any confidential human source directed
by the FBI to encourage others to commit illegal acts

(10:56):
on January six. The problem is most of them did
commit illegal acts. Four of these confidential human sources entered
the capitol during the riot. In addition to that, thirteen

(11:16):
entered the restricted area around the capital, which was the
security perimeter that was established in preparation for the January
sixth electoral certification, and nine nine of them didn't neither
entered the restricted area, nor enter the capital or otherwise
engaged in any illegal activity. But here's the reports, kicker,

(11:41):
here's the money quote. None of the confidential human sources
who entered the capital or a restricted area has been
prosecuted to date. That's man. That is a bit slapped
to the faith right there. More than one thy five

(12:03):
hundred people, many whom I believe to be innocent or
should never have been charged because the offense was so
minor that any district attorney, any prosecutor any US attorney
that's a reasonable human being would never charge some of
these people. But more than fifteen hundred had been charged

(12:25):
for various crimes commended that to that day. And they're
still looking for them, and they're still gathering them up,
and they're still raiding their homes, and they're still going
in and they're still prosecuting them, and they're still holding
them without bail, and they're still rotting in a DC jail. Tellingly,
none of them were charged with insurrection. We're always told

(12:47):
what was January sixth an insurrection, and not one single
individual has been charged with insurrection, which is a crime
under federal statute. Thing to remember about the use of
the term insurrection, that was the basis for impeaching Trump
a second time. Oh yeah, you forgot that, didn't you.

(13:10):
Insurrection was the basis for impeaching Trump the second time around.
But scores of people have been charged with battling police,
and even more of a charge with these nonviolent stupid
charges like trespassing or parading or obstructing an official proceeding. Now,
the Supreme Court has ruled that that latter one, obstructing

(13:33):
official proceeding, is probably unconstitutional because that's the run statute,
where you obstruct an official preceding, you know, a financial
crimes investigation by withholding documents or altering documents or destroying documents.
That's not what was taking place on January sixth. Now,

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among the one thousand, five hundred people who have been
charged for various crimes that day, not one single of
the seventeen confidential human sources that actually broke the law
that day, because we have them on videotape entering the perimeter,
entering the security zone, or actually entering the capitol. Not
one of those seventeen have been charged. In fact, the

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FBI reimbursed travel expenses for at least one of them.
Have you heard that? Yes, the FBI actually reimbursed one
of them, according to the report. Let me here, let
me just read. According to the evidence we reviewed on
January fourth, the Field office. On January fourth, the Field

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Office four Confidential Human Sources also told that the Confidential
Human Sources handling agent that the CHS planned to travel
to DC for January six with three other people whom
the CHA identified as proud boys of an identified chapter.
The CHS was not tasked by the handling agent. The

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CHS was not authorized to enter the Capitol or a
restricted area, or to otherwise break the law in January sixth,
nor was the CHS directed by the FBI to encourage
others to commit illegal acts on January sixth. We found
no evidence that the Washington Field Office was notified that
the Field Office for CCHS was traveling to DC for

(15:32):
the events of January sixth. On January sixth, after the
rioting started, the Field Office for CHS attempted to contact
the chs's handler four times. Evidence we reviewed showed that
the Field Office for Confidential Human Sources entered the Capitol.
The Office of Inspector General reviewed records indicating that after

(15:56):
January sixth, Field Office for provided information from this confidential
human source, including cell phone video from the Capitol, to
the Washington Field Office. After reviewing this information, the Washington
Field Office asked Field Office for to task the confidential
human source with returning to DC for the inauguration. The

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Inspector General reviewed additional records indicating that this confidential human
source was reimbursed for their travel on January sixth and
for the inauguration, even though the source was only tasked
with attending inauguration and not with not the electoral certification
on January six Hmm, So you weren't tasking them with anything,

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but didn't you reimburse them for travel expenses after the fact?
Something's not right in River City. Finally, the report offered
just one recommendation. They only had one recommendation, and that
was that the FBI should ensure that its processes and
procedures set forth with clarity the division responsibilities, and clearly

(17:10):
define a mechanism for making a formal determination whether and
what kind of a nationwide intelligence and confidential human source
canvas is necessary and appropriate under FBI policies. That was
all you came up with. Really. As for a comment
on the report, the FBI itself grumbled about continued disagreement

(17:34):
with certain of the factual assertions, but concluded the FBI
nonetheless accepts the OIG's recommendation regarding potential process improvements for
future events. Well, what a relief that is, right. But
one more thing about this report and what you and

(17:54):
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me during the week. Back to the January sixth Inspector
General's report, weok, I understand a lot of Trump supporters

(19:02):
are not going to believe the report or anything at
all that comes from the Cabal, or for that matter,
even the FBI, especially pertaining to January six because I
don't I personally myself don't believe that any of these
organizations have any remaining credibility after all these hoaxes they've
been foisting upon us to interfere with the last three

(19:22):
presidential elections. And there's also the fact that, in virtually
no circumstance beyond January sixth, have Trump supporters ever gotten
violent before or after January six The violence almost always
comes from the left or is instigated by the left,
or instigated by the government. But I repeat myself, Thus,

(19:43):
it's hard to believe that January sixth was default Trump supporters.
There's absence some overwhelming evidence that this lawyer brain would
look at and go, Okay, well, now you've convinced me
since that you're never going to convince me that this

(20:04):
was wholly spontaneous. I believe, without a doubt in my
own mind, that there were agents provocateur on January sixth,
and I do believe that some of these confidential human sources,
the chs's that the report talks about, including someone like
Ray Epps, were probably involved. You add the lack of security,

(20:31):
the offer of the National Guard by President Trump, the
refusal that national Guard. You got Michael Byrd that assassinated
and murdered Ashley Babbit, in my opinion, who should not
even been on duty that day because of his failure
to I mean, do you remember he's the cop. He's
the US Capitol cop that left his service weapon unattended

(20:54):
in the US Capitol Building restroom. Negligence absolute and negligence,
never disciplined for it. Plus he fails some other tests.
I mean, the guy just should never have been there.
And for putting that aside, the circumstances under which he
shot Ashley Babbit. You know, every Friday, I do a

(21:15):
segment called Taxpayer Relief Shots, in which we play stories
from around the country in the defensive use of either
firearms or just self defense, and some of those involve cops,
where cops are justified in shooting someone. Well, based on
the totality of circumstances under which Michael Byrd shot Ashley Babbit,

(21:39):
he would never In fact, he probably would have been
charged in most jurisdictions with at least second degree murder,
if not first green murder based on her position. Cops
were behind her, cops were not trying to stop her,
she was not a threat to him, and yet he
fired at her point. You know, telling the truth includes

(22:06):
being precise even when a more significant point needs to
be made. Because there are still a lot of unanswered
questions about January sixth, including about the FBI. So while
this report certainly opens everything up, and it now shows
us that indeed what we believe to be true, that

(22:27):
there were agents provoked tour confidential human sources on the
grounds that day who did violate. Now, if if Grandma,
if the Colorado grandmother walked into the Capitol building because

(22:48):
the door was open, there were two US Capitol policemen
standing there, not stopping anybody, and this is her first
trip to DC, and she's suddenly in the door of
the US Capitol and she's thinking to herself, oh my gosh,
this is amazing. I'm gonna walk in and look around.
And she walks in, and she looks around, she walks

(23:09):
past other cops, other Capitol police officers. Nobody stops her,
and she walks back out, and yet she's charged with trespassing.
If that is trespassing, which is isel lawyer, do not
believe that it was. If she's going to be charged,
and if she's going to be jailed, then those confidential
human sources that enter the building them that day, they

(23:32):
should be charged too. And the fact that they have
not shows that there is a two tiered system of justice.
There's a double standard, and there is a reasonable suspicion
that those confidential human sources knows. I'm not using term informant.
I'm not using here the agent's provocateur. I'm using the

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language of the report. I'm using the language of the FBI.
If those confidential human sources were allowed to go in
and they weren't charged, then why not what were they doing?
Why were they let in? And I don't care if

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they are confidential human sources or if they are agents
provocatur or they are informants. That's not a reason to
not charge them because now Internet's sluice can probably figure
out who they are. So you could say, as we might,
as layman might say, hmm, they've blown their covert because

(24:38):
now it wouldn't take much effort to find out exactly
who those people are. So why haven't they been charged?
Why isn't something being done? Part of it is because
while this report is an amazing step forward and does
reveal things that you and I always believe to be true,

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there's still more investigation that needs and is ongoing. This
is not the final report from the Inspector General. He'll
continue to do that. And I'm sure that once Cash Battel,
Trump's nominee to be the next FBI director gets in,
and particularly with Pam Bondi, once she's confirmed as the
Attorney General, I'm sure they'll go to the Inspector General

(25:21):
and say, you know what, keep digging and in fact,
we have additional information. Cash Betel is going to come
up with additional information about the involvement of Andrew McCabe
or Christopher Ray or any of the others, and he's
going to turn that information over the attorney over to
the Inspector General, and in fact, he may have turned
it over to the US attorney because you know, think

(25:43):
about that. Let me add a footnote here. There will
be a new US attorney for the District of Columbia
because Trump will fire probably every single US attorney across
the country, and every single US attorney will be replaced, nominated,
confirmed by the Senate and will have all new US

(26:03):
attorney or probably all news He might keep a couple,
I don't know, because I don't know all of them.
But once that's in place, there will be a new
one for the District of Columbia. And once Cash Pateel
gets all of the information that he needs, he'll turn
that over to Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, and they
will prosecute some additional people, including you know, if he's

(26:25):
done wrong. I hope the current FBI director, and I
hope Andy mckabe, the former acting director, and the former
deputy director, because if they've done if they've engaged in wrongdoing,
they need to be held accountable. Also, so the weekend
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So let's wrap up about this January sixth Inspector General's report.
You know, many people are asking Trump to pardon the

(29:01):
January sixth defendants, and my position has been that and
this I guess part of this is the lawyer brain
in me. But I think he should. He should pardon
everyone who was convicted of a nonviolent crime, and he

(29:22):
should also pardon those listen closely, even if they've been
charged with a violent crime, such as you know, vandalism
or destruction of public property, or even battery on a
police officer. For those who have been charged with those

(29:43):
crimes but not yet have gotten to trial, it's time
to stop. Because holding them or taking this long to
track them down and arrest them and charge them and
then disrupt their lives almost four years later, that violates

(30:05):
the right to a speedy trial. We have people still
sitting in that squalor in DC, in that jail. So
for all of those, I think a pardon is in order,
particularly the non violent offenders, the grandmother that's been charged
with parading or trespassing. I think all those January sixth

(30:27):
defendants ought to be pardoned. I haven't yet gotten to
the point where those who have already been convicted of
a violence such as destruction of property or hitting a cop,
I'm not yet convinced that they should be pardoned. But
what's my rule about the butt pay attention? To ask

(30:49):
for the butt. I'm beginning to believe, based on the
FBI lying to us about these confidential human sources, learning
more than even one of them was paid, I'm beginning
to start to lean toward the idea that every single
January sixth defendant ought to be pardon. No cops died.

(31:18):
It doesn't mean I think that hitting a cop is
ever justified. It's just stupid. You're lucky you didn't get killed.
But somehow we've got to end and this stupidity about
January six and an insurrection, And if a pardon is

(31:40):
what's required to do that, then maybe I am. That's
why I say I'm leaning toward it. But certainly those
who engaged in nonviolent offenses trespassing, parading, disturbing the peace,
whatever it might be, Yeah, pardon those. Trump's also indicated

(32:02):
that he wants his Attorney general to investigate and, if appropriate,
prosecute the members of the January sixth committee. Well, Benny
Thompson has come out, who was the chair.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Well the weekend, i'mer President Trump, and an interview suggests
as a January sixth members should be jailed. Do you
have any reaction to that, and do you think that
a positor or a preemptive party is necessary.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Cool, I'll take a one out of time. Okay, you
first law president to be President.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Trump is absolutely wrong.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
There's nothing we did as a January sixth select committee
that violates the law.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Okay, it's hard to hear him, but he's just said. First,
let me say that there's nothing that the committee members
did that violates the law. That's just false. You destroyed
the documents. Liz Cheney has been accused, which should be
investigated by both the Bar Association and the Attorney General,
of tampering with witnesses. Yes, actually telling witnesses. Look, you

(33:07):
need to say this, don't say that, I mean witness tampering. So, yes,
they did violate the law. They also violated the rules
of the United States Congress. Here is a committee in which,
you know, the way the committees are set up, even
special committees, the minority gets to choose who they want

(33:28):
to serve to represent them on the committee. So in
this case, the minority leader at the time, Kevin McCarthy,
selected you know, four or five members and Nancy Pelosi
rejected them. So the committee was not formed in accordance
with the House's own rules. So for Benny Thompson to
say we did nothing wrong is to try to rewrite

(33:50):
the narrative, and so they continue. Which also, when you
think about pardoning, if you pardon the January sixth defendants, oh,
they can bitch and moan about it, but you can't
do anything about a pardon. You know, we started this
program out talking about some pardons that Biden has done,
and I always find it fascinating that people are like, oh,

(34:10):
I can't believe he pardon this person. You know, even
I can't believe he pardon certain people. But I also
know that while I may not believe it and I
think it's totally inappropriate, I also recognize the Constitution gives
the power of the pardon to the president, and with
the exception of impeachment, he can do He can pardon anybody,
including his son, which he did. He can preemptively pardon

(34:33):
his brother, his entire family if he wants to. I
think that's a power that the president should have. Now.
I think president should exercise that power with some discretion,
which obviously Joe Biden did not. He's doing it to
protect his own family. But at some point we need
to move on from January sixth. Now I know that

(34:55):
we won't, and we won't because well, there's still questions
about the pipe bomber, there's still questions about the ray Epps,
there's questions about why did you reimburse the travel expenses
for at least one confidential human source. But at some
point we need to move on from this. Trump is

(35:17):
right that he's not out for retribution, that he's out
for success, for bringing the country together by strengthening the economy,
strengthening our national defense, exhibiting strength through power, and if
he can do all of those things, which he apparently

(35:37):
is already doing, even as the president elect, he's having
more influence on international affairs right now than the current
sitting president of the United States is. So, mister President,
used that power to get this stuff behind us. Show
the wrongdoing, and if people need to be prosecuted, let

(35:58):
them be prosecuted, but otherwise move on. It wasn't an insurrection.
It was a riot. It was a riot in which
some people got caught up innocently because they got caught
up in a mob. Benny Thompson, it's just.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Because you disagree with the work of the committee. There's
no way to threaten those members of the company.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
It's not about disagreement, it's about wrongdoing. Let Patel and
the Attorney General Pam Bondi do their job. Hey, thanks
for joining me on the Michael Brown The Weekend of
Michael Brown. Everybody have a great weekend. I'll talk to
you next Saturday.