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January 20, 2025 • 37 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
To night. Michael Brown joins me. Here's the host, Michael Brown. No, Brownie,
you're doing a heck of a job the situation with
Michael Brown. You're a political express on six thirty K
how Denver's talk station. Sarah, good morning, Welcome. I am

(00:30):
not Michael Brown, Thank god, I'm John Kelderah. Yeah, we could,
we could do a best of show, but it seemed
like it seemed like the right thing to make sure
we we had we had a way to conversate, a conversate.

(00:54):
That's what I'm gonna say Monday morning. It's time that
you and I have a nice little conversations as well.
Less than four hours left until democracy ends. Let's see
if we got this right. Three hours and fifty four

(01:15):
minutes until democracy ends. This is this is terrifying, sad,
awful stuff. So this morning you and I celebrate the
end of democracy. Pretty awful. Huh. Let's let's cry together

(01:39):
this morning. So what I'd like to do is to
make sure that you and I have an open channel.
And I know Brownie doesn't do a whole lot of
phone calls, or he does he does recordings. That's great too,
but feel free give me a call three or three,
seven to one, three, eight, two, five, five, It'll be
it'll be a interesting morning. I'm loving it, just loving it.

(02:08):
Where should we go? What should we do? Let's start
with Let's start with the obvious one that Jared Polis
will be will be at the inaugural festivities. I think
that's appropriate and good for him. He is the chairman
of the National Governors Association. He should be there. Do

(02:34):
you agree? And I'm sure he's going to hate it.
Let me ask you this question, and this this is
this has been on my mind since election night, when
the polls closed and it was obvious that that Trump

(02:57):
had won. I will honestly absolutely surprised by the calmness
that spread over the nation. If you asked me, if
you asked me earlier, what would happen if Trump won?

(03:21):
If you asked me two years before, a year before,
maybe even a couple of months before election, the answer
was pretty obvious. Cities will burn. As it turns out,
only Los Angeles burned. The promises of panic, the promises

(03:50):
of just how terrible it would be, the fake out,
absolute fake out, the panic mongering that was everything during
this election melted away. Compare that to what happened in

(04:13):
the first time Trump won, There were protests, people wearing
a little kiddy cat hats, and people cried. I mean
people cried. My daughter was in middle school at the time,
and she came home with these reports, these wonderful reports

(04:38):
of all of her teachers crying, crying. You remember this.
You had friends that cried, You had neighbors and coworkers
that cried. There's no crying this time. Nope, nobody tearful.

(05:01):
There were predictions of nuclear war. There were predictions that
that war mongering Trump would would bring us to attack
North Korea. It didn't happen. It didn't happen, that the

(05:23):
economy would collapse. It did the opposite. Then in twenty twenty,
the protests happened. People freaked out, but in the opposite direction,
and it was called a coup, it was called an insurrection. So,

(05:47):
given the complete freak out that happened during his first
two elections, the idea that he was going to win,
I thought, I thought about the whole nation. Half the
nation would just go go nuts, and it didn't happen.
Why so, is it just a calm before the storm?

(06:14):
Is it just a calm that that's going to break apart.
Is it because after four years of ineptitude, inflation, immigration,
and insane wokeness that that people are like compared to

(06:41):
the Trump years Biden was turmoil. I'd rather have the
Trump years? Or is it a third option that that
that people are genuinely, genuinely excited for Trump's return, or

(07:03):
maybe I should say comforted by Trump's return. I really,
I really want your opinion on this, and you know
exactly what I'm saying. You probably expected more turmoil. I
think you too, expected more turmoil than what is happening

(07:27):
right now throughout the nation. Does it happen after ten
o'clock this morning, does it happen later? Or will they wait?
Will they wait for something else until the freak out happens?
And you know what I'm talking about? Three oh three

(07:48):
seven one three eight two five five seven one three talk?
How is it that for four years, for four years,
we were told if this man is elected, it would

(08:09):
be the end of democracy. And please don't call me
and tell me that we have a republic. I know
we have a republic, but we're just going with a
D word right now. How in the world could it
be that for four years, the media told us end

(08:30):
of democracy. The president of the United States told us
the end of democracy. That all the elite told us
it would be the end of democracy. But it wasn't.

(08:53):
It wasn't. It seems to be believe it or not,
a smooth passage of power. No one is panicking. There
are a lot of people who aren't happy, but no

(09:13):
one's in tears. I'll give you my sense of this,
and I like to hear yours. My sense is if
we had a calm, competent four years and Trump still

(09:34):
won after the Biden years, yes, there would be a
mass freak out, an absolute positive mass freakout. I also
believe that if Trump lost the popular vote, which again
is just a simple curiosity. There is no popular vot vote.

(10:00):
There is no popular vote. It's a it's a statistic
we like to add up because we're curious. It's like
a football game. Who had more time of possession, who
had more total yards, doesn't matter to the end score,
but we're kind of curious. That's all this is. But

(10:24):
since more Americans won or voted for Trump, and the
guy who won the popular vote and the electoral vote
became president, or will become president in three hours and
forty five minutes. Could it be that even his most

(10:47):
panicky freak out, Oh my god, I can't believe this
is happening. People are like, oh, we lost the election
three or three, seven to one, three, eight, two, five, five,
seven to one to three. Talk. I believe if he
had lost the popular vote, there might be more freak out.
But after four years of sleepy incompetence, we are ready

(11:20):
to go back to the prosperous chaos of the of
the Trump years. We know what we are getting. After
four years of inflation, after an invasion of some ten
to twelve million illegal migrants pouring across the border, after

(11:48):
buffoonery around the world from the invasion of Ukraine to
the fall of Afghanistan, and I really think a ridiculous,
ridiculous celebration of of wokeness people. People have just had enough.

(12:17):
Here's here's my here's my suspicion. If you could take
the election and bring it down to just a few
key things, it would be three. One inflation, two immigration,
and three this woke agenda that is being shoved down

(12:38):
the throats of Americans. It's that third one that really
fascinates me because you could have an open and honest
conversation about inflation or the economy doesn't make you a
bad person. You can talk about immigration policy, and maybe

(13:00):
you're a little bit of a bad person, you racist
for wanting to close down the border, but you could
have that open conversation. You are not allowed to have
an open conversation about wokeness. You are not able to
have an open conversation about the trans agenda period Why

(13:26):
because you could lose your job. People know it. You
don't want to get hauled in front of HR. So
when corporate tells you to call that man in the
cubicle next to you a woman, you just have to
suck it up. If you're a college kid, you listen

(13:47):
to your professor when they say what is your pronoun
and starts talking about a singular person as they and them,
them is over there, day is over there. Give this
to them? There's only one of these things? How do
I give it to them? Which? Them? That one? That
one right there? That's them? What it is? Truly, it

(14:14):
is truly a psychological operation to mess with your brain,
and you can't do anything about it except fall in
line or get sent to HR. Possibly lose your job,
get kicked out of college, lose the class, fail the
class you're in, or at best, be ostracized and called

(14:37):
a hater and a racist. So you really can't have
that conversation in public. So what happens is you end
up having that conversation in private. You have that conversation
amongst a couple of friends who feel the same way
you do. And then something amazing happened. Budweiser decided to

(15:03):
try to sell some bud Wiser Light bud Light to
the trans market, this tiny little market, and so they
gave some transgendered guide some free beer. Big deal, I
mean really big deal. Who cares that mulvaney got a

(15:24):
couple six packs with his face on it? Who cares? Well?
That was a way for people to finally vote anonymously
about the woke agenda. You can't speak up at work,
you can't speak up at school, you can't speak up
at church, you can't speak up at community events. You'll

(15:45):
be called a racist. But when you're at the supermarket
and you're buying your beer, you just choose a different beer.
They lost twenty percent of their market share. It is
massively huge. Fast forward to election day. What else is

(16:08):
an anonymous way of expressing your viewpoint the ballot? So
in all these swing states that were going to be
so tough, Americans got tired of having this jammed down
their throat. Americans are tired of seeing men in girls' sports.

(16:34):
Americans got tired of being called a hater and a
racist just because they saw someone who has an xy
chromosome and decided to call them he like they have
for tens of thousands of years. That's that's what ended it.

(17:02):
I believe. I believe that swung that election, and hopefully
this is the end of wokeness. Describe a few phone
calls three h three seven to one, three eight two
five five. Let's head out to Aros, Aurora. Talk to Marcus.
Good morning, Marcus. I hope you're warm.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Oh it's cold out here. John on the.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
TV show Warm Studios.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Love this show? Well, thank you. Marcus is talking about
the show I do for Independence Institute called Devil's Advocate.
You can watch that Friday nights at eight thirty pm
on Channel twelve. But you can also go to YouTube
and just look for our channel, which is IIV. That's
Independence Institute television and check out Devil's Advocate. You can

(17:54):
listen to it on podcast as well. All right, what
do you got for us, Marcus?

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Well, you know, it's amazing Biden there. You know, everybody's
waiting for this great protest and everything it is done with.
I mean, the Democrats are going to hate so much.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
This is not going to end.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
And he just pardoned General Mark milly Flucy and the
people on the committee for January sixth, so you know
it's never gonna The only.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
One that I'm really angry about on that one is Fauci.
I think the more history looks at it, the more
we're going to find out exactly what part Fauci played
in the mass hysteria, what he did to cover up
what he knew. I hope it doesn't end the investigations

(18:53):
because America has a right to know what really happened
with this this fight with the infection.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, in Afghanistan, we we need the right to understand
why that decision was made.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
That will be left up to historians, no question about that.
But when it comes to when it comes to what
happened during.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
This this disease COVID, Americans deserve to know the truth,
and I hope I hope Trump gets the truth out,
even if Faunci will not pay the price for it.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Hey, thanks for the call. Give me, give me a buzz,
be part of this. Three h three seven one three
eight two five five. We've only gone about three hours
and what twenty thirty five minutes until democracy ends? We
we have three hours and twenty seven minutes left until

(20:04):
democracy ends T minus three hours twenty seven minutes. Have
you put yourself into a bomb shelter? Do you have
a go bag ready? Have you emptied your four oh

(20:26):
one K plans and turned them into gold? Are you
stockpiled on food, water, arms, and ammunition? I'm John keldera
in for the Big Man. Give me a call. Three
h three seven one three eight two five five The

(20:49):
End of Democracy edition of The Michael Brown Show. I
am thrilled to spend these last few hours of American's
history with you. What happened to the freakout? What happened
to the freakout? We were supposed to be completely completely

(21:13):
in mass chaos right now. Cities were supposed to be burning,
only la is burning. We were supposed to see the
markets crumble. We were supposed to see neighbor set upon neighbor.
We were supposed to see neighborhoods ablaze. Our campuses of

(21:36):
higher education would become the battlegrounds to save American thought
and tradition, And instead, Eh, it's it's it's just another inauguration.
It's it's ain't no deal. Are you surprised by the

(22:01):
lie that was told that democracy would end if the
guy who got the most votes won the election? I
find it delightful three or three seven one three eight
two five five seven to one three talk, although in
all honesty, I do miss the panic. I do miss

(22:27):
the freak out. Where are the counter protests? Where are
the people running around in their little kiddy cat hats? Where?
Where where are the women crying at work? Where? Where
is the meltdown? Where is the temper tantrum? You know what?
After four years of inflation, after four years of your

(22:52):
paycheck shrinking in buying power, after four years of seeing
migrants get benefits at your grandchildren's and their children's expense,
after seeing four years of pronoun police slapping the wrists

(23:14):
of anyone who doesn't want to say, oh yeah, that
guy's a check, you know what I think a lot
of people, though they despise Trump, want to get back
to some normalcy. They want to get back to feeling

(23:36):
like their paycheck goes someplace. I am one of those people,
So I would really love your point of view as
to why why the left isn't having this collective freak
out the way they promised. Yo, good god, all my

(24:00):
If democracy is ending is ending in three hours and
twenty three minutes, you think people would truly be truly
be panicking. And this is why we don't trust the media,

(24:25):
and this is why we don't trust the elite, and
this is why we don't trust politicians, and this is
why we don't trust academia, and this is why we
don't trust entertainers. This has been a lesson, What a

(24:53):
grand lesson for all of us. Tell me your thoughts
on it? Three or three seven, one, three eight, two
five five seven to one three talk. I've got my
eye on the monitors. The AP feed is showing us.
I'm trying to remember the small building the church where

(25:14):
they all meet beforehand. Looks like the presidential motor cat
is coming in. They'll spend some time there. I'll keep
you a prized as to everything else that goes on
Saint John's that's what the name of it is. You know,
it's funny because these a lot of these buildings are

(25:34):
are two hundred and forty years old, and so it's
just a small, little, small little building with six pillars
in front of it. And you'll see the president elect
coming and going in there and going to a church service,
which is a tradition. And that's that's that. Uh. I love,

(26:00):
I need I need security. I need a bunch of
guys running around in suits. Gotta think that suits are
the worst security, Like, do we think that? Do we
think that they're not security? All? Right? Three or three seven, one, three, eight,
two five five seven to one three? Talk? What is

(26:20):
your hope for this presidency? What is your expectation? How
happy are you? How freaked out are you? I'm very
optimistic about what can happen in the next four years,
but it is greatly tempered with some realism. For those

(26:44):
people who are Trump fanatics, this is this is a
satisfying time. But don't for a moment, don't for a
moment think that all your wishes are going to come true.
He is not going to wrangle in he is not

(27:08):
going to wrangle in Leviathan. He is not going to
take this massive machinery that has been building at an
exponential rate since FDR and get it all under control
in four years. He's not going to be able to

(27:30):
get things through Congress because it only takes one or
two Republicans in the House to stop something, and more importantly,
there's still the filibuster in the Senate. All he can
do is through the administrative state. The one thing I

(27:55):
think we can count on is an extension of the
Trump Town x Code. This is crucial. Why because if
if not continued, our tax rates go skyrocketing, go skyrocketing.

(28:16):
So it's it is. It is really important that Congress
get down to it. But even then that's not going
to be a slam dunk. Republicans in some of those
Northeastern states are not happy about the salt deductions. That's
the state and local taxes, which should not be a

(28:39):
deduction on your federal taxes. Why in the world should
people in low tax states pay for people's taxes in
high tax states. If you don't quite understand it, the
salt deductions used to be that you could deduct all
your taxes from your local taxes on your federal federal taxes.

(29:04):
Wait a second, if you're living in California, if you're
living in New York, where there's massive state in local taxes,
why should people in lower tax states, for Florida or
Texas subsidize that. They shouldn't. They shouldn't. In fact, it

(29:27):
is really necessary for local states, for local governments to
feel the pressure of their own tax rates. But remember,
it only takes a couple of Republicans to jump ship
and go no, no, can't. We can't pass this unless
we have some increase in those salt deductions. So even

(29:47):
that very simple thing of extending Trump's tax code is
going to be tough. What do you think three or
three seven, one, three eight, two five five. What do
you expect to happen? I expect to happen a sizeable,

(30:14):
sizeable easing in the regulatory state. I expect to see
energy start flowing again in the United States. Why because
a lot of that, not all of that, A lot
of that comes from federal regulation, and Trump will be
in charge of of the federal regulatory authorities. I expect

(30:41):
that the irs will not be as punitive as they
were and are as weaponized as they are. That's what
I expect. I expect that all of our regulatory agencies

(31:05):
will become much more, much more reasonable. I expect our
markets to do better because of that. But I don't
expect I don't expect any great reversal in the number

(31:30):
of laws and number of governments. Donald Trump and his
wife just entered Saint John's Episcopal Church, the past and
future First Lady, wearing a pretty pretty snazzy little outfit.
Oh that poor woman. I feel so sorry for Milania

(31:53):
or one. I would hate to be married to Donald
Trump even if I were a woman. And number two,
I don't think she wants to go through this ride again.
It's been my understanding from the many biographies written and
inside reporting that has happened. She did not like being
first Lady. She did not like the duties. She did

(32:16):
not like that the media and entertainment were so awful
to her, that she did not like having to do
all this stuff, and that the government underneath her hated
her so much. The great thing about Trump. One of

(32:38):
the great things about Trump is he understands the machinery
that he stands above is well hateful of them. The
deep state is a very real thing. And the people
who work for the federal government and despise this new president.

(33:05):
Merrik Garland when he left as ag was it yesterday
or the day before, got a standing ovation as he
left the Hoover Building from his beloved Trump hating staff. Yep,
they're not gonna like the next four years, all right?

(33:26):
Do we need to take a quick breather here? Three
or three seven one three eight, two five five? What
do you expect today? What do you expect in the
next four years? What do you think the biggest letdown
is going to be in this? In this Trump two
point zero. I'm John Caldera and for Mike give us

(33:46):
give us a call seven one three eight, two five
five and keep it here six thirty kjow three hours,
nine minutes until democracy ends. You're part of law. I've
democracy Deathwatch twenty twenty five. I'm John Caldera in for
Michael Brown. Give me a call three oh three seven

(34:09):
one three eight two five five seven one three talk?
Where's the panic? I expected more freak out? This is
This is just further proof of how shall I put it,
the fakery, the manipulation of the elite. How is it

(34:35):
that they said Oh no, it's it's it's it's gonna
be a it's it's the end of democracy. And then
he wins and everyone just goes all right, well, glad
that happened, and they move on with their lives. What
an amazing, amazing thing it is that when the guy

(34:56):
who got the most votes wins, the democracy doesn't really end.
And yes, I know we're a republic, not a democracy,
all right? Three oh three seven, one three eight two
five five seven to one three. Talk what do you
expect from the next four years? What do you think
will be the biggest surprise? Where will Trump succeed and

(35:22):
where will he fail? Right now, he and his wife
are at Saint John's Episcopal Church for a private religious service,
and next on the agenda will be a coffee, a
coffee at the White House with the outgoing president and

(35:45):
first Lady. Wouldn't you love to be a fly on
the wall on that? One might recall eight years ago
Trump and will his wife Milania show up? She brings
a gift to Michelle Obama. Now, when Trump lost four

(36:09):
years later, there was no such reciprocation. I don't believe
he invited Biden in for a cup of coffee. He
was just a wall. He didn't even go to the
swearing inn. So good for good for Trump, I mean

(36:30):
good for Biden for working on a smoother transition of power.
He accepted the results of the election, and how could
you not. He'll also be there behind behind the president
when he has sworn in, which has got to be
one of the worst, worst parts of the job. So

(36:56):
you lose, and it's not like you know, it's not
like the trophy at the end of the super Bowl.
You actually have to stand there while the other guy
gets the trophy. Every former president has to has to
sit there and watch his successor take the reins of power. Oh, Bob,

(37:21):
not only are you fired, but you need to be
part of the celebration for the guy who's replacing you.
Three h three seven one three eight two five five
and for Michael Brown. I'm John Calderic. Keep it here
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