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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, brownie, just seeing on the news this morning Denver
East High School eliminated a women's bathroom on the second
floor to create an all gender restroom for inclusivity. I
guess they're under investigation by the Trump administration already.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Wonderful.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
See all you a holes out there in the private sector,
just think that, well, I know you don't think you're
coming to realize how the public sector is. They're laughing
at you all the way to the bank. So all
you slubs are are getting ready to go to work
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or you're I just heard that. I kind of heard
the traffic report about how somewhere up north there's you know,
all I heard was Susan feel and say something about
my guys, if you.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Can get off the highway, get off the highway.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Now, so you know you'll probably be late to work.
And then the boss will chew you out and you'll say,
but there was a wreck and I you know, and
then the boss will say to you, well, you should
have left earlier, because you know there's always gonna be
a wreck up there, so you need to start leaving earlier.
I can just hear it now. But the little goober
that's upset about me upset about trying to do some
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federal where we are workforce won't care because when he
walks in late, nobody's gonna say anything and just be like, well,
it's nice to see today. We didn't realize you were
coming in.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Ain't nobody gonna notice.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Ain't nobody gonna notice?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And so let's talk about Title nine, and let's talk
about how Denver, unfortunately, is becoming more and more in
the news, the national news, which can't be good because
you know that if we're in the national news for something,
it's not because the Rockies won the World Series. Ah,
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it's not because the Broncos made the playoffs, while I
guess A technically did make the playoffs, but it's not
because it's not like they made the finals or anything,
or according to the Zuper Bowl. But we're making the
news for all the wrong reasons. This is according to
the Colorado Sun. The Department of Ed said it is investigating. Now,
first of all, it's just stop and thinking about this
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for a moment. Do you think that if the principal
or whoever did it at East High School had decided
to create a non specific gender or a whatever it is,
you know, an ambivalent gender restroom on the third floor
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or wherever it is. Under the Biden administration, do you
think that there would ever have been an investigation. No,
there probably would have been a ribbon cutting. In fact,
they probably would The President probably would have flown in
and walked up and you know, kind of shuffled up
to that bathroom door and looked at it and said, oh, well,
in this wonderful This means, look, Kareem abdul Jabal, you
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and I both can use this bathroom in that glorious
that's wonderful. But now, no, we have a story in
the Colorado Son of All Places, which I've not really
read the entire story, but I bet here.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Will Well, we might find a little bias.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
The US Education Department said it is investigating Denver Public
Schools for alleged discrimination after the district converted a girls'
restroom on the second I'm sorry, on the second floor
of East High School into an all gender restroom while
leaving the other bathroom exclusively for male students.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Let's just pause for a moment.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I thought, now, waitvenute, somewhere here I've got because I
was going to do this earlier. Let me see if
I can find it real quickly. Let me do the uh,
the noise that I normally do when I'm trying to
find something that I wasn't prepared to do. But do
to do, to do, do, do, but do, to do
do doot oh. Here it is so I have a
list of the executive I don't think this is a
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complete list, but Trump's executive orders see the federal hiring
process of wasteful dii.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Oh here.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Defending women from gender ideology extremism and restoring biological truths
to the federal government. Pause for a moment. Let's think
about what we just read. An executive order that says,
defending women from gender ideology extremism and restoring biological truth
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to the federal government. We had to have an executive
order to do that. Federally recognizes two sexes, male and female,
and bands and bars the use of federal funds to
promote gender ideology. Shazam, Really, Trump is I always said
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that turning the ship of state. Uh this this big giant,
you know, we're kind of like the Titanic and uh
turning it to avoid the iceberg which we're headed toward. Uh,
we can't make a ninety degree turn on a dime,
so we we kind of have to start swerving. Well,
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I think I was wrong, Yep, I think I was wrong.
I think Donald Trump took the took the the ship
and just started spinning it around. And we're swerving much
more to the right than I thought we were ever
ever going to be able to do. Back to this
Colorado Sun, the Department's accusation that the move may violate
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Title nine appears to be unprecedented. The accusation comes days
i've the Trump administration took control of the federal government
and it marked by the way, you know, that's actually
a pretty good point to make. We had an election,
and remember how back in twenty twenty we were all
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bemoaning the election of Joe Biden. Yet nonetheless we recognized that, oh,
we're going to be in for a wild ride because
Joe Biden won the presidency, and of course, while he
promised to govern from the center, he admitted he went
full on Marxist, he went full on you know, aoc,
he went full on the squad and went further to
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the left. Because I don't think Joe Biden, even at
that time, was aware of what was going on and
just let the radicals run the government. And while we
fought it, we recognized that nonetheless they're in power. So
all we can do is fight at where we can
fight it. The accusation comes days after the Trump administration
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took control of the federal government.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Rights son A damn right, we did.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
We took control, and it marks a sharp departure from
the Department's investigations under former President Joe Biden. The Democrat
administration interpreted Title nine to include LGBTQ plus protections, though
the policy was later overturned by a federal judge. Let's
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go Shelley to Title nine where I had this up somewhere.
Let's go to here. Let me give you an overview
of Title nine. Title nine is federal law. It generally
prohibits sex discrimination in education programs that receive federal funding.
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East High School, part of the Denver Public school system,
receives federal funding. This law has been around since nineteen
seventy two. The dark ages, yeah, since nineteen seventy two,
as part of the Education Amendments of nineteen seventy two.
So what does Title line actually do? What does it
protect against? It protects against sex based discrimination. It protects
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against discrimination based on sex in any education program or
any educational school activity. This includes sexual harassment, sexual assaults,
and other forms of sexual misconduct.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
But it goes further than that. Unequal opportunities.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Title nine requires schools to provide equal opportunities for students,
including in athletic programs. So how does it address sexual harassment. Well,
there can be a voluntary agreement between the parties involved
in any sort of alleged or allegation of sexual misconduct. Well,
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what is the definition of sexual harassment. Well, the twenty
twenty four Title nine Final Rule expand to the definition
of sexual harassment to include harassment based on sex, characteristic,
sexual orientation, gender identity, and pregnancy. How's it enforced. There's
a three prong tests that schools are subject to. The
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test looks at the proportionality of male and female students
and athletic programs, expansion and accommodating interests. Now, let's go
back to what they've done at East High School. They
violated the President's Executive voter that says there are two
genders and I you know, actually I think we should
say they're two seconds. The biologically have two sexes. Male
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and female. Now I don't care whether you are a
trans person or not. I do care whether you are
under the age of eighteen and your trends, which, by
the way, we have another executive voter which prohibits any
sort of medical facility or doctor from starting to, you know,
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basically mutilate children. How can you be against that? I
don't get it. We don't let kids smoke. We make
it illegal for kids to smoke. We make it illegal
for kids to drink. But somehow we praise the idea
we make it legal to give a twelve year old
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puberty blockers, or someone under the age of eighteen without
their parental consent to go have their penis whacked off.
I just don't understand how we think that that's any
way rational. Craig Trainer, the Acting Secretary of Civil Rights,
in a news release, says this, let me be clear,
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it is a new day in America, and under President Trump,
the Office for Civil Rights will not tolerate discrimination of
any kind. But the DPS says in a statement that
they issued that the bathroom was converted as a result
of a student led process. Huh, so, who's running the asylum,
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the inmates or the principal and the teachers. I don't
care what the students want. We have male and female bathrooms.
And if you want a you know, I suppose you
could do this. I suppose you could have a single stall,
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single urinal commode stall, whatever that would be, for anyone
to use, one person at a time. I don't think
that would violate Title nine. You know, how many times
have you walked into a restaurant. Restaurants are starting to
do this a lot. Restaurants no longer have male and
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female and you know, usually there's like which I always
laugh about because usually the indicator for the female restaurant
is the figure of a woman in a dress.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
That's not a cape.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I thought it was a dress, Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Huh, Because I always often wonder, when's the last time
you saw a woman in a dress.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Not very often much and much more rare, for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah. Usually it's you know, pantsuits or something, or jeans
or something.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
But but anyway, so it's you know, you got the
you got the male figure, and then you got the
female figure. But now restaurants are starting to get away
with that, and now they're going to just unisex bathrooms.
So but most restaurant bathrooms are for one person and
one person only. If they're multiple, then I think you
should keep it divided. Different public schools said in the
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statement that it was a result of a student led process. Well,
I don't care about that. Your obligation is to follow
the law. Scott Pribble, a spokesperson for the Denver Public Schools, says,
this restroom serves all students, including those who may feel
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uncomfortable in gender specific facilities, and alliance with our values
of supporting every student. The president of the Association of
Title nine Administrators said that these questions have not yet
been tested. They are arguing this, Brett suckle Off. They
are arguing that an all gender restroom isn't comparable to
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a single gender restroom. You'd have to establish that somehow
you have a right to a single sex bathroom. And
while the Trump administration may believe that, I don't know
if that will be upheld by the courts. Well, go
find out, Go find out. But you can if you
want to accommodate. If you have a transgender student in
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your school, then you can accommodate them. Now, taxpayers may
not like this, and a school may not like this.
But you could add an additional bathroom, or take a
bathroom from the teachers, or convert a bathroom on one
of the floors to a single sex or however you
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would call it unisex or you know, single stall, whatever
it is, and allow them to go there. But stop
and think about this entire conversation and how absurd that
it is. You know, just like the number of kids
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who suffer from autism ADHD or they're somewhere on the
spectrum has just quadrupled over the past say, decade, And
that the number of kids that now think that they're
not the gender or the sex that they were born,
that that has doubled or quadrupled just over the past
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like five years. Either something's in the food, something's in
the water, or we're being subjected once again to mass
formation psychosis and everybody thinks that now. Oh, you know,
I read a story yesterday about a mother the child was,
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you know, doing something, and so they went to a doctor,
and the doctor, in a thirty minute consultation, decided that
the child was suffering from gender dysphoria. And within a
thirty minute examination. I don't the doctor was not a
psycho psychologist or a psychiatrist, which would be an md
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UH decided oh, you should put them on puberty blockers,
and the mother did. Now that's now been outlawed, at
least by executive order, and I think that's a rational
thing to do. If if our job is to protect children,
it's not just to protect them from things that look look,
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we try to protect children from all sorts of things
that they don't yet have the capacity. In fact, I
might even read it beyond the age of eighteen. But
if eighteen is going to be the age we've all
declared its going to be the age by which you become,
you know, an emancipatedive individual, then so be it. But
under the age of eighteen, we protect children because they
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do not have the mental capacity to make those kinds
of decisions. And if we're going to start accommodating by
having these transgender restrooms, what are we doing. We're actually
encouraging it. We're actually encouraging gender dysphor you because we're
throwing it in their faces. So yes, I say, take Denver,
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take East High School, and if that ends up in
federal district court as a challenge, then so be it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
This is called getting it on.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Dragon.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I love your show, and I was just wondering on
the website, Michael says, go here dot com. I am
extremely visually impaired. Do you think that sometime in the
future that your website may have a braille option?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, that's a brilliant suggestion.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
We should do that, Dragon, I'll start working on that
right now.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Maybe we can get deep seek to do that for us,
come up with, you know, a way to make braill
appear on a computer screen.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
So they're the new hotness right now.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, they are. One of the things that occurred to me.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I went back and part of what I was doing
when I was taking my FCC examination last night was
I was watching. Because I didn't get to see it live.
I only heard bits and piece of it of Caroline
Levitt's first press conference, in which, astonishingly, she walked in
without a binder.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
She did not have a binder, she'll learn.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
She walked in and she read a statement about UFOs,
which when I heard the explanation, of course, being the
sinning that I am about anything inside the federal government,
I listened to the words carefully and I thought, oh,
you were running tests and other purposes. Well, as a lawyer,
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I always think, okay, well tell me what other purposes are.
Tell me what those are. But anyway, she started out
in a brilliant move by answering the question that everybody'd
forgotten about, which was what about the drones. When is
the last time we talked about drones?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Dragon? It's been a minute, Yes, it's been a minute
or two. So, so drones.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Came up right off the bat, and then she kind
of announced how things were going to go and that
all of this standard you know, the cabal was all there.
It was sro standing room only, and she announced that
there were going to be uh some influencers, podcasters, non
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traditional media and they had Axios and Breitbart there as examples,
and she said, we're going to welcome We're going to
reinstate some White House Press Corps passes that had been denied.
Simon Abato was probably going to get one of them,
and they're going to open up and there's a White
House website you can go to to apply for press credentials.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Wait, wait, are you telling me that the Biden administration
censored media by not allowing their their passing?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah? What? And he was black and from Africa mm hmmm, yeah, huh,
because you know why.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
We're never gonna let Biden go.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
They they took Simon's press credentials away because he wasn't clean,
articulate and bright.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
The first to sort of.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
American America here he was articulate and bright and clean
and bicycle guy.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
You still have that on your board.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Yeah, it took me a second to find it.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
If you have a problem figuring out whether you're from
may or Trump and you ain't black, anyway.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
That black guy is gonna get his press credentials back.
I don't know that for a fact.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
But when they said they were going to reinstate some
of them, that's the first person I thought of was
Simon Abtas.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I bet he gets his back anyway. So yesterday she
walks in.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
She announces that, look that these two chairs over here
were the staff where the White House press staff used
to say, No, those are going to go to some
non traditional media and Axios and bright Bart are the
first ones we've invited. You can go apply, And then
she just booms started answering questions. I don't think the
media knew what to do. I think that the legacy
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media has become powerless. I think the election Trump in
the garbage truck Trump and the McDonald's Trump just making
himself available and talking to the media all the time
has made them a lot less influential. It was nearly
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two o'clock on the East Coast in the middle of
a election night when Jake Tapper stood across from.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
The virtual map.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
John King, one of his colleagues CNN, was standing there,
and Jake Tapper asked a very simple question.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
So you asked, are there any places that the vice
president is overperforming Joe Biden in twenty twenty?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
So we can show you that as well.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
We just bring that out here.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Harris overperforming twenty twenty only smokes here you go.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
Oh, so let this go away and see if there's
anything in the East side. There literally nothing, literally nothing,
literally not one county.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Isn't that wonderful? Ouch?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
In fact, that's so good. Let's listen to that again. Now,
what John King does? He has the virtual map up
showing the red and blue states as of that time period.
But then Tapper asked, well, show us where Kamala Harris
has outperformed Joe Biden based on the twenty twenty results.
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So John, you know, touches some virtual buttons and brings
up a map of the United States and it's all
grayed out, and then he says, well, let me move
this over. There's because there's another box, another pop up box,
and he moves that pop up window over so you
can see the entirety of the United States, and it's
just nothing, not one single county anywhere in the country
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where Harris outperformed Joe Biden.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Nice, So you asked, are there any places that the
vice president is overperforming Joe Biden twenty twenty, So we
can show you.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
That as well. We just bring that out here.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Harris overperforming in twenty twenty.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
Only smokes there you go, So let this go away
and see if there's anything in the East Side. There
literally nothing, literally nothing literally not one county.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Literally nothing, literally not on county. That video that you
just heard, shared widely and instantly over on x has
been viewed more than thirteen million times and now today
thirteen million two times now in the final tally. Of course,
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Harris did outperform Biden in a couple of counties. But
the best part is Tapper's stunned response. Huh, he was
an utter shock. He was an utter disbelief. But that's
actually a different kind of shock to the system than
what happened in twenty sixteen. If you go back to
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twenty sixteen, even the possibility that Donald Trump could beat
Hillary Clinton was just completely discounted. Nobody even talked about that.
Then fast forward to twenty twenty four. The cabal figures
were so concerned that Trump might pull it off after
Biden's disastrous June debate performance that some openly pushed for
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his replacement.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I mean, this is now ancient history.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
So then they rushed to aid and to bet the
Democratic storyline that Kamala Harris had transformed herself into a generational,
transformational political talent that would just be able to wipe
Donald Trump's butt all over the electoral map. That was
a desperate move that completely and utterly failed. The smarter analysts,
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even those who had a partisan bent, saw the truth
written on the wall well before November five, But unfortunately,
very few of them worked in cable news, and none
of them worked in the network news. And then you
had this bomb go off on November five. There will
be even less budget in the industry for those people's commentary. Again,
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go back to twenty sixteen. The twenty sixteen election flooded
the legacy media with attentive new consumers who saw describing
to the Washington Post, you know, democracy dies in the darkness.
As a matter of personal pride, they scrambled to order
the hashtag resistance tomes of anonymous heel turned staffers, astrident
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Trump critics who were feverishly pimping their own ghost written
words on television podcasts or, for that matter, national Public radio,
which we'll get to in a minute. But here's what
I firmly believe. Twenty twenty four, I'll still refer to
them as cabal. Don't get me wrong, because the cabal
still exists. But this past year's election seemed to sound
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the final nail for an industry that managed to hang
on well past its prime. I think about show prep
that I used to do, say ten years ago. Ten
years ago, my show prep was pretty much based upon
what was going on on cable news and the networks,
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and the major newspapers that I read, The Washington Post,
the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the La Times,
and occasionally the Denver Gazette. Otherwise it's now shifted and
I'm reading all the non traditional sources I'm on X
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X has become a treasure trove of information for me,
and of course, because of the advent of community notes,
I see a story that I find hmm. You know,
I've often told you I've got stacks of stories or tabs,
a lot of tabs open that I never get to
because I'm not quite I'm not sure the stories are
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ready for prime time, and I can go back and
pretty soon a story that I think might be interesting
suddenly has community notes attached to it over on X,
and now I'm thinking, oh, my take on that story
is entirely different because oh, this is something that they
failed to leave out and the community notes people have
put notes in there about Hey, this particular post on
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X fails to address X Y or Z or left
out x y or Z. So then what happens, Well,
suddenly we get all these announcements, layoffs, industry ride, Jim Acosta.
Jim Acosta is out after threatening to resign. I'm telling you,
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don't ever go to your boss and threaten to resign,
because you know what, just as I did one time,
as some guy that worked for me threatened to resign
and we were outside the conference room, and I said okay,
and I just turned and walked back in.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
He sheepishly walked right back in the room.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Because if he hadn't, I was gonna, I was gonna
accept his resignation. Jim Acosta, you should have called me
first before you threaten to resign, and particularly before you
did it publicly. Think about this. After Jeff Bezos announced
that the Democracy dies in the Darkness, Washington Post would.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Not be endorsing a presidential candidate.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
The Post lost more than three hundred thousand subscribers, cut
more than a hundred staffers, and saw more than a
dozen prominent reporters and.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Editors walk out. And where do they go?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Mostly for jobs at stridently left winging The Atlantic, and
some of course went over to the Wall Street Journal, because,
as I've said before, the Wall Street Journal is schizophrenic.
You got the news pages, which are decidedly left, and
you got the editorial page, which is decidedly right. And
they really do have a great Chinese wall between the two.
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Somebody sent a text message I mentioned that Norah O'Donnell
CBS Evening News that they kicked her out and they
were going to completely revaent the CBS Evening News. It's horrible,
and they actually have a weather segment. So they've now
they they've gone full circuit. They finally announced, or at
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least they kind of admitted that, oh yeah, weather's something
that we can use a lot, a lot of hyperbole,
and so they now have a weather segment. So I
was really curious because I had missed it the night
before because I think, uh, Tuesday may have been the
first night of the new format, or I'm sorry, Monday
may have been the first format. So I watched it
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for the first time yesterday, and sure enough, there's the
new segment of the weather segment. And they got this
big ass you know, they got the big screens, they
got this really nice floor has a map in the
United States, and you want the big news on the weather,
was the difference between a blizzard.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
And a snow squall.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, I'm glad that that's taking up time on the
CBS Evening News. Walter Kronkite is well wherever Walter Kronkite's buried,
He's spinning in his grave.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
And I'll oh, I'm way late. I'll be right back, Michael.
Speaker 7 (31:09):
I went to my boss and I told him I
wanted to work four days remote or else. I've been terminated.
I've never been in broadcasting. Any chance you guys have
a position available?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Can you follow a clock?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Or can you remind the talent instead of back there
looking at porn? Can you remind the talent look at
the clock.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
You get tired of reminding me?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
That's really good about shifting the blame to me for
that screwed up break.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
There's both of us, Yeah, it really was both of us.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
So real quickly, think about everybody that's left post election.
So you got Jim Acosta left yesterday. Hoda Cobb left
NBC today after seventeen years. Andrew Mitchell signed off from
her MSNBC program, had been there sixteen years, Alison Cameron
to ten years. Who really was prominent on CNN because
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she was she challenged Trump about everything. Chris Wallace announced
a sudden interest in online streaming, and he made sure
to stress that CNN had asked me to stay. But yes,
they had asked Chris Wallace to stay at about half
of what he'd been paid. So all of these people
have left. I would say if two thousand and eight
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was the Facebook election, because of what they did and
twenty sixteen was the Twitter election because of what they did.
Then twenty twenty four is probably the podcast election, when
the cabal finally witnessed for the first time just how
much power and influence that podcasters and TikTokers and others
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all social media had stolen by simply more interesting formats.
People are getting tired of all the news tirons and
always began with breaking news. I get tired of every
Fox News show begins with this is a Fox News alert.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Why stop it? Just not stop it.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
It's not a Fox News alert, it's your next show
coming on.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So you got all of these other outlets now, And
of course.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Talk radio still remains prominent in in among that new media,
and a legacy media still part of.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
The new media. So what does this mean going forward?
That's next