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February 19, 2025 • 34 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Y chance to me, told me would have been a
fan Cansted candidate.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
For a text, A fantastic candidate for a what the
taxpayer relief shot, poor old Toby.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
So Trump's been suggesting that Ukraine out to conduct fresh
elections in order to secure a place in the peace
negotiations with Russia. So on Tuesday, down at Marl Logo,
he said this, we have a situation where we haven't
had election in Ukraine, where we have martial law, where

(00:37):
the leader, I hate to say it, he's down to
four percent approval rating. It's a country that's been blown
to smithereens. I like it when presidents use the word smithereens.
Most of the cities are laying on their side. I
would say that if you want a seat at the table,
wouldn't the people of Ukraine have to say it's been
a long time since we've had an election. That's not

(01:00):
a Russia thing. That's something coming from me and coming
from many other countries also now. Immediately, Ukrainian state media,
because it is state media, and Ukraine funded by US,
by the way, funded by you and me, courtesy of USAID,
immediately contested Trump's remarks, insisting that Zelensky is significantly more

(01:24):
popular than Trump suggests, and Zelenski too is you just
also heard at the top of the hour, is arguing
that Russian sources are misinforming the White House. Quote President Trump,
whom we respect as a leader. I just have to
laugh because it's like, Okay, I've got to say something,
but I've got to say something and also include that,

(01:47):
oh we respect you. You know. So he Zelensky's got
a dancer really tight rope here. President Trump, whom we
respect as a leader, is unfortunately living in a dis
information space dragging. It was twenty nineteen, the last elections
that were held.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
It was supposed to be an election last year.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yes, but the last ones. So it's now been six years,
six years since we've had an election. In the normal
course of events. To your point, Zelenski's term would have
concluded in May of last year.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
The elections would have been in March though, if I
do recall.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, but his term would have ended.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
I agreed.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, so, but even if fresh elections were held, the
results might be questionable because think about it, much of
Ukraine is now I shouldn't say much, but some of
Ukraine is now under Russian control, and Zelensky has banned
at least twelve rival parties, including his main opposition, and

(02:54):
he accused them just like he's accusing Trump without saying so,
of having Russian sympathies. The EU in the meantime is
completely discombobulated. So I want you to think about the
cluster that is Europe right now. So you have all

(03:18):
these sovereign nations from Poland to Spain and everything in between.
That's Europe. That's the continent that's as as Rumsfeld one said,
that's old Europe. And then you've got the UK that's
out there on its own because of Brexit. And everybody

(03:40):
told us that once the UK pulled out of the
EU that the EU would fall apart, and it sort
of has, but not completely. So you've got all of
those sovereign nations that have capitulated to the European Commission,
the European Union, which is a bunch of progressive globalists

(04:01):
that somehow want to, you know, impose all of these
rules and regulations, and then on top of that, you
ll Shin's on top of that. But in that minist
you also have the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. So you've
got Nato. Macrone, president of France, tries to put together
let's back up. Macrone suggested that Europe put troops boots

(04:23):
on the ground in Ukraine, that that was one way
to stop Russian aggression because Europe doesn't because Russia doesn't
want to war with Europe. And I don't think they
do either. I think they would be willing to, but
I don't think they really, I don't think. I think
Putin is in a much more precarious position than we
publicly understand. I think he's got troubles at home. Zelenski's

(04:48):
got troubles at home. Macron Scholtz in Germany, he's got troubles.
So Macron tries to put together a meeting of all
the these European countries, of all these leaders, to come
together to try to figure out, Okay, if Trump's not
gonna let us go to the table, initially, we need

(05:09):
to come up with a proposal of our own, so
at least show that we have some ideas so that
we can get to the table. In Riod, Macron can't
keep the meeting together. They they they start leaving. Schultz
goes back to Germany. Uh, you know, Stammer goes back

(05:30):
to London and the meeting breaks up without ever having
really convened, so they can't get their act together. So
when you have in politics a power vacuum like currently
exists all across Europe, including the EU and the United
Kingdom and NATO, and then you've got Zelensky over here,

(05:54):
who don't I just can't imagine that Zelensky has much
popular approval. But the bottom line is we really don't
know if he does or not, because the media is
controlled by the state, and any info that we get,

(06:15):
I would say, is from the cabal, which is from
state controlled media. So we have in essence similarly state
controlled media here that's feeding us whatever the globalists in
Europe for that matter, of the globalists in the World
Economic Forum or anywhere else want us to know, versus
what Trump wants to know, because no matter what Trump

(06:37):
knows or does not know, they're gonna whatever whatever he
does or does not know, they're gonna tell us the opposite.
So we don't really know what Zelenski's popularity is, but
we do know that he's outlawed the other opposition parties,
including his main opposition party. We know that many people
don't have the ability to be polled because they're under

(06:59):
Russian occupy. So you got that going on. So it's
a complete cluster. So what's Trump doing? Let me just
go straight to Putin? Since I know Putin, Let's just
go to him. Now. I do believe and I do
criticize Pete Heggsath because I think Pete Heggsath should have
kept his mouth shut about what was on or off

(07:20):
the table or likely or unreasonable to expect, and that includes,
you know, whether or not Ukraine should eventually enter NATO
or not. I think Haggesas spoke out a turn because
you know, he's been quite kind of quiet since so
I think he probably got taken to the woodshed about
making those comments, because you do want to walk into
the negotiations with all your stuff in your pocket, not

(07:40):
out in the public. And if and if Trump does
know Putin as well as we assume he knows Putin
from Trump one point oh, well, Trump two point oh
was saying, hey, listen, why don't we send my secretary
of State and my Defense secretary, and let's send in
my special advisor, a General Kellogg, and let's send them

(08:02):
to RIOD to sit down, hey, Vladimir with your Russian
foreign minister and your negotiators, and let's at least see
if we have any sort of common ground at all
where we get to start some negotiations. They're not negotiating,
they're negotiating about negotiating. Well, that's more than Biden ever did.

(08:26):
And I say that's a good step forward. And don't
forget that. Biden's commitment to Ukraine was what do you remember?
It was, we will support you as long as it takes. Now,
compare and contrast that with what Trump's support of Israel is,

(08:52):
for example, It's not that we'll support you as long
as it takes. We'll support you in doing what you
need to do to finish this. That was never said
to Zelensky. If he had, if Biden had said that
to Zelensky, that might have brought Putin at least closer

(09:13):
to some sort of hey, let's uh, maybe I'll make
the first move. But Biden never did it. Biden continued
to make the worst foreign policy mistakes of any president
in the history of this country. That's saying a lot,
because we've made a lot of foreign policy mistakes throughout
our lifetimes. So the fact that Trump's over there, and

(09:36):
the fact that Zelensky is now backtracking a little bit,
begins to tell me that Trump's playing again three D chess.
He's saying things to I think, get a response out
of Zelensky, and also to put Zelensky in his place. Listen, Bucko,

(09:57):
we've been paying for this, and we know that you've
been paying for it in lives, and you've paid for
it in a lot of lives, and I want I
want the killing to stop. So I'm not going to
I'm not going to go to Riod. I think it
would have been a horrible mistake for Trump to meet
immediately with Putin. Let the staff, the Secretary of State

(10:22):
and others set some parameters by which some discussions will
take place, and then General Kellogg leaves Riod. He goes
to Brussels to sit down with them and say to them, look,
if you if you want to be a part of
these negotiations, then you've got to tell us what you're
willing to do this. I think it's being handled exactly

(10:45):
as it should now. Do I think that it's going
to be on the bargaining table whether or not. First
of all, I don't think that Russia's ever going to
give up Crimea. I think that's a non starter. And
that's because that goes all the way back to two
thousand and four, that's eleven years ago. They've occupied that
for eleven years now, and they've established their naval bases

(11:08):
and everything else that they need. They're not going to
give that up. So I think that's a non starter.
And for Zelensky to come in and say now that
he wants all occupied territory back, I think that's a
non starter. So that's why you don't want those people
at the table, because if they come in with non starters,

(11:28):
where Trump's just going in and saying, Hey, Rubio, kell Ogg,
heg Seth. You go over and meet with Lazarrov and
the rest of them and sit down and see, hey,
what is on and off the table? What canon can
we not discuss and then start the negotiations. So everything

(11:49):
that you're going to hear about these negotiations, I would
only listen to Trump and Rubio and Kellogg. I would
not live to for that matter. I wouldn't listen to
Fox News. I wouldn't listen to anybody in America media,
and I certainly wouldn't listen to any European media, the BBC,

(12:10):
which once again USAID pays a lot of money to,
or state controlled media out of Ukraine. No, don't listen
to any of that. Listen to Trump, Rubio and Kellogg.
See what they have to say. Oh, and I guess
I would add too, don't listen to any Russian media
because they're going to just put out exactly what it
is that Putin wants to be put out. See how

(12:32):
important a free press is. See how important it is
that you actually don't have state run media, because all
you're going gets propaganda. Meanwhile, back on this continent, Mexing
authorities have seized approximately forty million dollars worth of mathemphetamine,

(12:53):
not just in operations, but in addition to pressure from
the United States to combat the drug trafficking. It occurred
over the weekend in Sinealoa that's where the Cinaloa cartel
is located, notoriously a region notoriously linked to the Sinaloa cartel.
Authorities during this crackdown confiscated about four hundred and forty

(13:14):
pounds of myth and more than thirty one hundred gallons
of chemical precursors utilized in meth production. This is a
pretty significant drug seizure and it occurred shortly after Mexican
President Shinbaum agreed to enhance border security following the tariff
threats by Trump. Those tariffs were set to affect all

(13:34):
goods exported to this country, which is Mexico's largest trading partner,
and as part of an agreement reached on February third,
Shine Shinebaum pledged to deploy about ten thousand National Guard
soldiers to Mexico's border with the United States, focusing efforts
on blocking federal trafficking, and Trump in return agreed to
delay the imposition of the tariffs. So the issue of

(13:56):
drug trafficking trafficking has been a focal point for Trump,
who moved to designate the cartels, including the SIMLOG cartel,
as ftls foreign terrorist organizations. That was one of the
first executive actions that he took. Now, all of these

(14:16):
drug trafficking actions are being supported by initiatives such as
a covert American drone program to identify labs in Mexico.
But here's where again, with all of the excitement of
things that are going on on the southern border, I

(14:38):
caution us to keep your powder dry. I noticed on
X yesterday and I've actually know it on a couple
of text messages, people saying it's time forced to send
you know, the eighty second airborne to engage the cartels,
to take on the cartels, And I'm like, do you

(15:00):
really want to do that? Why don't we do some
of these other things first, see how far we can
get with some of the just drug seizures and sealing
the border, because sealing the border is the first and
most important thing. Because the cartels, although they are armed,

(15:20):
heavily armed, much more heavily armed than some of the
federalities that shine bombs sending to the border. I don't
think it's time to engage with them yet. I think
it's time to seal the border, keep them from crossing
the border, cut off their supply lines, do all of
those things. I'm not saying that we should never engage

(15:41):
with the cartels. And I would also point out that
if the cartels fire the first shop with it, it's over.
At that point, you just do whatever you got to do.
But I worry about this idea that, hey, let's go ahead,
since we've designated them as foreign terrorist organizations, go go ahead.
And just engage them now and start killing them off.

(16:06):
If you want to bring the cartels together, that'll do it.
So you're going to have to figure out a way
to be a lot smarter than many of us. I
shouldn't say us, because I'm certainly not advocating it, but
that many people are advocating let's let's send the army in,

(16:27):
Let's send the marines and the seals in. Let's let's
let's blockade Mexico, let's blockade the baj Let's do all
of these things, and let's just kill all the cartel members. Well, eventually,
i'd like to see that happen, but I want to
do it smartly. I didn't want to do it in
some sort of reactionary mode. And I'm just afraid that

(16:47):
there are It's like, it's kind of like we've been
moving so slowly over the past four years that nothing's happening,
and the things that did happen were so extraordinarily intrinsically
wrong that when we start moving rapidly and we start
doing things the right way, many of us are like, oh, now,

(17:10):
let's just jump in with both feet. Let's just dive
into the pool completely and just let's just take on everything. No,
let's be smart about Let Trump be Trump for right now,
and let him play this out as he knows as
he's being briefed on, because obviously we're not just what
you know, you're not over the air for some reason.

(17:32):
I got you on the on the app, but not
on air. It's just dead silence.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Do you think Trump will finally force Selensky to have elections?

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Dragon? You want to address the first talk back?

Speaker 5 (17:49):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yes, we're replacing the hamster. The old one died, so
we're going to get the new hampster. Will run in
here shortly.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
But I was downstairs the other day and we were
only down to one hamster. Yeah, it had looked kind
of old.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
And decrepit cutbacks, you know, it's just so we're not.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Keeping we don't keep us a ready supply of hamsters.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
We gotta run to the mall, the pet shop in
the mall get one more hamster, preferably young one. But
those are you know, probably two or three dollars, where
we can get one of the older ones for for
a buck. So oh okay, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
But do we do we still have anybody in the
building that goes to the pet store and gets the
Hamsters to keep us on air.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Once they're notified, then they all go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
So once they're notified, then they have to get their
fat ass out of bed, right, uh maybe get dressed
and I mean a showered, get you cleaned up or whatever.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
We have to wait till the mall opens.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
That's that's the other hard Oh so yeah, over a
hour and a half. Right, yeah, okay, can you get.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Same day shipment of hamsters via FedEx?

Speaker 6 (18:53):
You know I've never tried, never tried. Of course, that
would cost too much, so I will do that. So
uh so, I guess the point the dragon I want
to make is we know.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
We're off the air, we're still streaming, but we are
still streaming to us on the app.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yes, we're still streaming new and because somehow, which I
find fascinating, the stream works, but the broadcast signal does not.
And you were told there was an IP circuit.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Correct. The big wigs around here said it's an IP
connection issue. They're looking into it.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Oh maybe it got too damn cold.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
It was negative six when I left for work this morning. Man,
I was pretty shocked at that one. I didn't know
it was going to be that cold.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
I wonder how much faster that the hamster chasers would
work if it was say that blow torch over there
that was off the air.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Blow torch has two or three hamsters. We only have
the one.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Well exactly, they've got redundant hamsters. We only have the single,
lonely hamster that died a lonely death by itself. And
so now we have to rely on Well, we can't
even get to the mall to buy a new hamster. Yeah,
but we would. We would put this request out if
any of you goobers have any additional extra hamsters available,

(20:12):
you could bring them to us and we can go
ahead and plug that hamster in and we could get
back on the air.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
I just drop them off here.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
And the sad thing is there was a time when,
because I was always taught that when you when you
go off air, you keep producing the program because you
never want the elements is just gonna pop back up.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Okay, you're used to talking to yourself.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well and so, but but when all twelve listeners have
either text and even a friend of mine send me
a text message, and let's see what what did Chris say?

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Why it is six thirty, am all static. I should
have written back and said, because I'm talking because.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
We're trying to get a ratings bump.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
That's right. I mean, it's it's all static because it's
just me. But there was a time when we didn't
have a stream Now, but we didn't have streaming, I
could have just quit talking and we could have just
taken a break for a while because we're not broadcasting.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Put on some kind of a song just in case.
You know, we're good.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, just put on a little music or whatever. And
you know, I have a sip of Dike coke and nah,
but we're gonna plod on and and just so you know,
so you know, we know that, you know that, we know.
We all know that it ain't working.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
A text message here says that sending a support or
trouble ticket, just like your light bulbs. Maybe you'll have
a new hamster in five to six weeks.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
You know, it amazes me. You're the only reason people
like us talking about the ineptitude and the crap that
we deal with internally, the kind of the inside baseball
stuff is because they can sew relate to it based
on where they work, because they go through the same

(22:05):
crap that we.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Go some kind of corporate bureauctressy that they've got.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
The same corporate bs that they've are all the same thing.
So Cash Battel made it out of committee, yesterda or
I shouldn't they made He's made it out of committee,
but they voted to uh end cloture or they voted
for cloture to end debate. Now let's stop and think

(22:30):
about this for a moment, because if you think that
things are wild, now wait until that because if Cash
Patel gets confirmed as the FBI director, it will clinch
what I think is probably the second of perhaps the
two most important nominations that Donald Trump's made. What do

(22:56):
you think the other one is? I think you might
be surprised what I think it is. No, it's not
Marco Rubio.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, I say, RFK, Are you do what I can say?

Speaker 1 (23:05):
RFK?

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Are you nope? Okay, nope?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Uh. I think that one. I think that nomination is
going to have a lot of long term effects, good
benefits for us. But I think in terms of kind
of getting into the really nuts and bolts of what's
wrong with d C. Tulci Gabbert, I don't think we

(23:29):
understand yet. I think we're going to We're going to
understand just how the intelligence community has infiltrated all of
the deep state, and that they wield much more.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
Look.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Look, I know that the CIA has they've got DARPA,
or the Pentagon does the Defense Research Agency, so they've
they've got DARPA to, you know, come up with all
these little gizmo's and gadgets and projects and everything. But
the intelligence community has USAID and they use that to

(24:09):
implement their program And when I say their programs, I
don't mean US government programs, I mean the Intel community programs.
I've been inside that beast, and I can tell you
they pretty much do what they damn well please, regardless
of or irrespective of what it is that the president wants.

(24:31):
Well for that matters, sometimes even the CIA director wants.
It is fascinating to me how much leeway, power, authority,
ability to do things that some of these intel people
have that is way beyond any sort of constitutional authority.
And I think Tulsea Gabbart, along with Cash Battel, have

(24:54):
the most opportunity to disrupt the deep state. And I
think Trump was elected in no small part as as
a rebuke to this national security cloud that that we
that we live under, and it's been politicized against dissenters.

(25:15):
Have we already forgotten about Russia Gate? Have we already
forgotten about the censorship industrial complex? The Trump impeachments and
how U. S a i D actually funded some of that?
Have we have we forgotten about the January sixth inquisition?

(25:37):
No targeting of Christians, UH targeting of parents, they go
to school board meetings, all of this stuff. The evidence
shows that at at least at the FBI, whistleblowers who
would expose misconduct had their lives ruined and those defending

(26:01):
them face retaliation. It's a I mean, it is a
It is a cauldron of unconstitutional activity. When you turn
America's cops, the FBI, when you turn America's spies, the CIA,
the DA, the NSA, when you turn all of those

(26:24):
onto the American people, that could be a death knell
for the Republic. And not to mention what it does
to our adversaries. For our adversaries, it's like, hey, look,
they're so busy fighting among themselves, they're so busy destroying
themselves internally. All we got to do is just sit
back and watch and just kind of, you know, encourage it.

(26:46):
Whatever we can. A police state cannot be a free state.
So Cash Betel, like Tulsa Gabbard, they both know this.
And in particular, Cash Battel has amazingly extensive experience within

(27:06):
that national security apparatus, and he himself has found he's
looked up and seeing the red dot on his chest,
and that makes him, like Gabbert, I think, uniquely qualified
to take it on and getting him out of committee

(27:28):
and then getting cloture in vote so that they can
now have a vote. I'm sure that it will be
probably it won't be fifty three to forty seven, it'll
be fifty two to forty eight, because Mitch mcconuaell, I'm
sure will vote against him, but I think all other
Republican Senators will vote for him. We cannot get cash

(27:52):
Battel into the FBI fast enough, and I think you're
going to see publicly more of what cash Battel can
do then what you're going to see Tulci gabberd do
simply by the nature of the two jobs. So much
of what Tulci Gabbert is going to be dealing with

(28:14):
is buried so deep into the deep state, into the
administrative state, that the changes you see there may not
be immediately apparent. But I'm telling you Trump's going to
give her great leeway to clean up the intel communities.
You know what was it Chuck Schumer said something about,
you know, you need to be careful what you do

(28:34):
because you know the CIA, CIA has got so much
information in so many ways to destroy you. You've got
to be careful. You know whatever it was that Chuck
Schumer said about that, Well, that's why that's going to
be done and cleaned up quietly and without a lot
of public h a lot of public front information being

(28:55):
shown to us. Cash battel, on the other hand, is
going to be absolutely devastating to watch and I can't
wait to watch it happen.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
Okay, Michael and Dragon, you need to be flexible. You
need to think outside of the box. You can replace
a hamster with a squirrel. I've done it. It works.
You guys chase down squirrels all the time. Are you
telling me you've never caught one yet? Now catch one
of those squirrels, Replace the dead hamster with a live squirrel.

(29:26):
You can thank me later.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah, I think you guys might want to upgrade to
a squirrel. I hear they have far more stamina and
live a little bit longer.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
And I think the other thing we need to do,
based on the text message is Dragon, I'll contribute if
and I know missus Redbeard to afford help too. I
think we should get let's switch the squirrels, and let's
get both a male and a female.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
The male chases after the female like Pepe pew.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
They could pro create.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Oh, we could have an endless supply of squirrels.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Now, if we could get the rabbits to work, then
we could just have an abundance of fact. We could
actually sell rabbits over to the blow torch over there.
We could even go downstairs to the third floor and
sell them rabbits occasionally. If we could just train the
rabbits to do the broadcast engineering, which I don't know.
Maybe rabbits canner cannot be.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Some might be smarter than the engineers that we've got.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
That was Brad Williams Dragon Redbeard. That was not Michael Brown.
That just said that. That's if anywhere are listening anyway.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Well they're trying to listen on air.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
It's right so if you've seen the plane crash in Toronto,
I'm not a pilot. Insert pilot joke there. I am
not a pilot, but here's what I observed. I observed
that if you've ever flown, you know that when you're
when you're coming in for your landing, that the plane

(31:08):
kind of flares up. You got the nose up a
little bit, and you know, it flares and the pilot's
just he's trying to make a he's trying to make,
you know, a really smooth landing, so flares up a
little bit using his flaps and he just touches those
wheels gently onto the runway and then the nose comes
down and touches and you glide to a stop. You

(31:31):
break to a stop. Did you watch what happened in Toronto?
Now I'm not a member of the NTSB, and i'm
not I'm not a pilot, but what I observed was
the pilot came in fast, hard, straight down, hit the runway.
The wings kind of dip down a little bit because
your wings have flexibility, and the wings hit the runway

(31:54):
and that tears at least the wing. On one side
of the video, you see that wing tear off, burst
into flame, and now the fuselage is careaming and flips over.
So I you know, obviously pilot error of some sort,
but not according to MSNBC.

Speaker 7 (32:15):
Well, and let's talk about the politics of this for
a second.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
This is the first act.

Speaker 7 (32:20):
This is the first scene of the first act of
this presidency. And what you were going to see by
just going in and randomly going across one agency after another,
is going to actually see people in red state America,

(32:44):
people who voted for Donald Trump, people who need Medicaid
services desperately because that's the nursing homes that their parents
are in. In Oklahoma, in Wisconsin, in Pennsylvania, in Georgia,
in North Carolina.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
They're suddenly going to see.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
The wedding catch it the first time. He just called
all of those states red states. Wisconsin's red state.

Speaker 7 (33:11):
Okay, the services taken away. Their farmers are going to
have to deal with a chaos. You're going to have oh,
I don't know, institutions like my alma mater, the University
of Alabama, that is going to get savaged by these cuts.

Speaker 8 (33:29):
You're going to have people Republicans who have children. I
heard a story last night, Republicans who have children whose
lives were saved by vital NIH research. Having those research
grants taken away, this is going to be the political

(33:53):
equivalent of death by a thousand cuts if they don't
do this in a more responsible way, and Mike Allen,
if they don't do.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
This in a more responsible way, well, Joe, tell us
what would be the responsible way that you would do it?
Because this is where you know, I've often talked about
us reaching a tipping point financially. That's where we are.
So of course some people are going to hurt, but

(34:31):
people are going to be hurt worse if we don't
do things to stay tuned, because remember the description of
the Delta plane in Toronto, Joe Scarborough goes off the
deep him
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