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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA director talk.
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get all of my programs. So I find it fascinating
that for you know, starting back in with the well
with the twenty twenty election, and almost immediately when Biden
took office, they started just cramming through the Inflation Reduction Act,
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the Infrastructure Bill, every kind of spending bill you could
possibly imagine. Now, at one time, the federal budget was
around between three and four trillion dollars a year, and
even that we were borrowing about anywhere between forty three
and forty seven percent because we still didn't have enough money.
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Good grief. With all the money we take in, we
have a spending problem, not a revenue problem, but boom.
Once you take an additional three four five s Some
estimates are as high as six or seven trillion dollars
over the course of the four years, and you throw
that kind of money into the economy, that's just like
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putting a match to a blowtorch to a flamethrower of inflation.
And you and I suffered and still continue to suffer
through inflation because despite Trump saying that he was going
to end inflation on day one, it's going to take
him more time than it is than I think he
understands that, which gets back to my point about don't
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take Trump literally, but take Trump seriously. He will work
and you will start to see it with the slashing
and burning of the federal budget. But you and I
saw it. Gas prices, grocery prices. You know, the cost
of eating out in Colorado has risen almost I think
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it's like sixty seven percent, but almost seventy percent. It
costs more today to eat out. And I don't care
whether you're talking about a fancy smanchee you know, Italian place,
or you're talking about going to McDonald's wherever you're going.
It's costing you anywhere between sixty and seventy percent more
than it did four years ago. That's a serious inflationary problem. Well, suddenly,
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after all this time, Democrats and the cabal are suddenly
obsessed with the price of eggs, after spending at least
the past four years essentially denying even the existence of
inflation at all under Joe Biden. So what changed? Why
suddenly this interest in inflation? But changed the guy in
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the White House. His name's no longer Biden, It's Trump. Now,
let's go back for a moment. When Biden took office
in January of twenty twenty one, the average cost of
a dozen eggs was a dollar forty six cents. By
the time he left just last month, that price had
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surged more more than two hundred percent to over four
dollars and fifty cents.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
You know, your mileage may vary depending on where you live,
but a two hundred percent increase in the cost of eggs.
Throughout Trump's first term Trump one point zero, the price
was stable at about around a dollar seventy five dozen.
Now according to Google Trends, you know, there's a great
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if you ever want to just see like trends that
are going on in terms of news searches issues, Google
trends is a place, is a great place to go.
According to Google Trends, there was a zero percent interest
score in news stories about quote egg prices during the
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last year Biden's presidency. In other words, nobody was looking
it up. No, I shouldn't say nobody, but a zero
percent interest score, meaning that it was just deminimus. Very
few if any, people were searching egg prices on Google.
But the minute that Trump was sworn in, the interest
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in quote egg prices spiked. It peaked at one hundred
percent between January twenty six and February first, which is
what just twenty some days ago now, what drove that?
What drove the sudden interest in egg prices? Well, first
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and foremost of cabal. If you never believe me about
the cabal, drives a narrative because I know that. Look,
I know my audience and the vast majority of you,
and I do mean vast majority of you probably agree
with a lot of what I say. Now, it doesn't
bother me. If you disagree with me, it doesn't bother
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me in the least. In fact, if you ever disagree
with me about something I say, feel free to text
me and explain to me why you did agree with me.
You might actually persuade me. So But the cabal for
what did what did Rush call them? Rush used to
have the low information voters? Rush used to call them
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low information voters. Well for the low information voters out there,
as as I like to call them the stupid people.
I guess I'm a little I'm not. I'm not quite
as sophisticated as RUSH. So I think it is stupid
people out there. And if you don't believe there's stupid
people out there, the next time you're at the grocery store,
the next time you're driving down the highway, the next
time you're in a meeting. Look to your left, Yeah,
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there they are. Look to your right, Oh there they are.
Were there too. They're stupid people all around us. Well,
since Trump two point zero started, CNN has written dozens
of articles on egg prices since the moment that Trump
was sworn in. One had this headline, I pledged to
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bring down food prices on day one. Instead, eggs are
getting more expensive. See they drive this narraty. Now again,
I know that Trump did say. Trump said, you know,
on day one, we're gonna start bringing prices down. That's
why I say, don't take them literally. It's taking seriously. Yes,
he's focused on bringing down inflation, but it's not You knew,
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and I knew that wasn't gonna happen on day one.
It wasn't like on January twentieth of twenty twenty five,
at twelve oh two, after he took the oath of
office on twelve oh one, that suddenly the price of
eggs going to go back down to a dollar seventy
five a dozen. We knew that wasn't going to happen,
but the stupid people thought that it would. So that's
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the first thing that drove this spike in interest in
egg prices. And then there was something else. And that's
another part of the cabal, the ruling elite Democrat politicians.
Chuck Schumer, the Senate Minority leader, I love saying Senate
Minority leader, and no longer the Senate Majority leader. He
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chastised this quote. The President owes the American people some answers.
What is he going to do about the price of
eggs exacerbated by bird flu? Well, it actually raises kind
of an interesting question. What caused the egg crisis. It's
a mix of av and flu outbreaks. Oh my gosh,
we can spend the next hour and a half talking
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about that. Biden's mass killing of hens that is pretty
interesting too. And of course, increase production costs, because when
it costs more to heat the coops, the big the
big barns, to keep the chickens in, when it costs
more to transport the feed, when it costs more to
do everything to deliver the eggs, and when all those
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production costs increase. So if you understand econ one oh one,
that means the price of eggs is going to go
up too. But let's think about some of these different
causes AVM flu outbreaks, Biden's mass killing of hens, and
rising or increasing production costs. Let's talk about AVM flu
outbreak first, which we'll do after the break. It's the
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So we're talking about this sudden interest by Democrats and eggs,
and of course there are three reasons I think for
this increase in the price of eggs, and the first
and foremost is the avian flu outbreak. And since well
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for the now almost three years, there have been several
waves of this highly contagious avian bird flu and that
has resulted in a public policy decision of calling the hens.
Do you know that over the past all almost three years,
more than one hundred and fifty million birds have been cold.
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You know, I'm not going to use the word cold
said over the past almost three years, more than one
hundred and fifty egg laying hens have been put down
killed euthanized cold is just a that's too soft of
a word to use in an attempt to contain what
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is indeed a contagious virus. For perspective. Today, there are
a total of three hundred and sixty nine million egg
layers right here in the US. Now, we'll get back
to the culling or the killing of these birds in
just a minute.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
But the third.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Factor is that inflation under Biden has driven the prices
of grain and transportation costs, all of which contributes to
higher egg prices. So Trump has a plan and Trump's
play and is it? Currently, the Department of Agriculture compensates
poultry farmers for killing entire flocks exposed exposed to bird flu,
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but it does not pay for birds that actually die
from the disease. So what does that do if if
the government says we'll pay you to kill your entire
flock that's been exposed. You know you got one he
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you've got to you gotta coop with a thousand chickens
in it and a thousand hens have been exposed to
one chicken that's got the flu. Okay, well, we'll we'll
pay you if you kill all of them, but we
won't pay you for the birds or any birds that
die from the disease itself. Now, think about what that
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does to a farmer. Okay, Well, that means I'm better
off if I mass slaughter my birds as opposed to
calling out that have the flu and just eliminating things.
I'm not going to get paid for them. So rather
than kill three, four, or five or even a dozen birds,
or even one hundred birds, ten percent of those thousand ends. Instead,
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if I kill the thousand, I get paid for that.
So that incentivizes the mass slaughter of our bird supply.
Do you ever just scratch your head sometimes at how
stupid the government is or who comes up with these policies.
If you want to eliminate some waste, fraud and abuse,
eliminate whatever program office it is in the Department of Agriculture,
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they came up with that numb mass policy. So now
they're trying to the Trump two point zero is they're
trying to look at ways to revolutionize the egg industry's
response to these diseases by focusing on tighter biosecurity and medication.
I say in medication, because you know what, we have
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a bird flu vaccine. Yes, we do. We have a
bird flu vaccine. Now, I don't know the mechanics of
how you identify a bird that's got the flu, but
if you start vaccinating your hens problem solved, it seems
to me. Kevin Hassen, who heads the National Economic Council
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in the White House, told CBS News that the administration
is quote working with all the best people in government,
including academics around the country and around the world. So
the big picture is this, egg prices will likely continue
to rise while poultry farmers start to try to rebuild
their bird populations. So that's gonna take time. You can't
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buy a fully mature hen that's ready to lay eggs.
That's gonna take you. And I'm not a chicken farmer,
so I don't know, but I'm guessing that's gonna take
you at least what five or six months, if not longer.
But Democrats are going to lay the blame squarely on
Trump two point zero. But that's a problem he inherited,
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it's not a problem he created. Now, I think this
is a strategic mistake by Democrats. Egg prices are a
volatile item that they're going to hitch their wagon to seriously,
because the price quickly fluctuates up or down. In January
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of twenty twenty three, prices hit four dollars and eighty
cents before falling to just two dollars and four cents
a few months later. Now we could speculate about all
sorts of reasons why maybe there's a little bit of
the increase in supply, or maybe because the price got
so high that price elasticity hit and people said, I'm
(15:51):
not paying four dollars and eighty cents, you know, for
a dozen eggs. So demand plummeted. And when demand plummets,
prices go down because well, you try to sell more eggs,
meaning that Trump probably can and likely will get eggs
back down in the two to three dollars range. So actually,
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what democrats are doing is they're setting democrats. They're setting
Trump two point zero up for probably a pretty big win.
But what's happening in the meantime. I love the economics
of this because every time you get something like you know,
chicken price is going up, there's always somebody because there's
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always a way to make money in this.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Country, people across the country struggle with shortages of eggs
and soaring prices. A company is helping people get their
own egg laying chickens.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Rent The Chicken serves areas across the country, with locations
in Vancouver, Washington, and Portland, Oregon. Joining us to consue
the conversation is the co founder of Rent the Chicken Homestead,
Jen So, can you start by telling us why did
you and your husband Phil start this company in the
first place?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Or maniacs? That's why I'll tell you.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
We We have some back haired chickens, and I was
looking for something to do that's f fill in and
we he did this crazy search online for crazy business
ideas and chicken rentals was on there, and he said
to me, do you want to rent some chickens?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
And I said, well, I can work the power tools,
and we have some chickens, why not? So Rent the
Chicken was ashed and twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So they have this in Denver. Four hundred and fifty
nine dollars every six months. You get a coop, you
get some initial feed, you get some hens. I forget
how many, four hundred and fifteen, so one thousand dollars
almost one thousand dollars a year plus all the effort.
And if you lose a chicken or you know, your
dog gets a chicken, well got a pay to get
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a new chicken, Rent a chicken, baby, rent a chicken.
So we came with Michael Brown, Hang tight, I'll be
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Speaker 3 (18:00):
The former FEMA director of talk show host Michael Brown.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Brownie, no, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job
the weekend with Michael Brown.
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at Michael Brown USA. So I want to walk through
a little bit about kind of what the Kabbal's been
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doing about bird flu, because on the one hand, it
shows you how stupid the government is in response to it,
and on the other hand, it kind of tells you, oh, maybe,
just maybe bird flu might just be another experiment about
how we can convince people to do things that maybe
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are not really scientifically justified. So let's kind of work
our way backwards. Let's go back to the end of December.
December twenty ninth, CBS's Face the Nation, Margaret Brennan, who
quite frankly, is not the smartest cookie in the entire
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box of cookies. She has Leonna Wynn. Who is this?
She's this epidemiologist. She is a COVID freak. She believes
in the COVID nineteen shot, what she calls a vaccine,
which does not stop the spread, actually makes the disease
(19:36):
worse than many people. Shouldn't be given to children. But
I digress. Here's what she had to say about the
whole bird flu situation. What should be happening in the
Biden administration right now that isn't going on.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, there are two main things that they should be
doing in the days that they have left. The first
is to get testing out there. I feel like we
should have learned our lesson from COVID that just because
we aren't testing it doesn't mean that the virus isn't there.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
It just means that we aren't looking for it.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
We should be having rapid tests, home tests available to
all farm workers, to their families, for the clinicians taking
care of them, so that we aren't waiting for public
labs and CDC labs to tell us what's bird flu
or not.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
So the very first thing over mouth is she's more
concerned about testing individuals now, how many individuals. Three hundred
and fifty million Americans, some eight billion people on the planet.
You do the math now, I maybe off of these numbers,
they may have changed since last I looked, But the
last I looked, I think we had five, six, maybe
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seven people in this country that have the H five
N one bird flu. Out of three hundred and fifty
million Americans, I'd say your chances are pretty good you
ain't going to get the bird flu.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And the second very important thing is this is not
like the beginning of COVID, where we were dealing with
the new virus.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
We didn't have a vaccine.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
There actually is a vaccine developed already against age five
and one. The Biden Image Station has contracted with the
manufacturers to make almost five million doses of the vaccine.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
However, they have not contracted.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
With the manufacturers for a human vaccine for bird flu.
Five people have it, let's just say five thousand people
have it. I don't care. I wonder what we spent
on that, And I wonder if we also gave them
protection from liability for a sort of malpractice that the vaccines.
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You know, the harm that the vaccines might cause. And
now what you know, sometimes when you you might drive
past the chicken farm somewhere not even know it. Better
get that vaccine.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I asked the FDA to authorize the vaccine. There's research
down on it.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
They could get this authorized now and also get the
vaccine out and two.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Farm workers into vulnerable people.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I think that's the right approach because we don't know
what the Trump administration is going to be doing around
bird flu. If they have people coming in with anti
vaccine stances, could they hold up vaccine authorization if they
don't want to know how much bird flu is out there,
could they withhold testing.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I mean that's a possibility, and I think the.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Biden administration in the remaining days should get testing and
vaccines widely available so that at least in empowers state
and local health officials and clinicians to do the right
thing for their patients.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Start to wornings.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Start the fear now. Now, this is back into this
is between Christmas in New Year's last year. Start the fear. Now.
We got five or six people that got the bird flu,
So let's ramp up. Let's start spending money. We don't have.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Is bird flu and humans super dangerous?
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Well?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
The World Health Organization estimates that in prior outbreaks of
the bird flu that the mortality rate is fifty two
percent fifty. However, in this most recent outbreak, it seems
that most cases have been wild and maybe some people
even have asymptomatic infection.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
But find that interesting. Well, you know who says it's okay,
what five people? So two and a half people got it. Well, now,
but now this version is not well, you know, it
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doesn't really spread.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
But the question is, we don't know what happens when
bird floe affects more vulnerable individuals. People infected so far
in the US have been mainly farm workers for so.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We don't know about grandma and granddad, for people in
nursing homes. But you know what, maybe we ought to
give it to him anyway, just to be safe. It's
utter insanity. And then of course you got Chuck Schumer,
who's I said earlier, he's all over this.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
This is just from less than a month ago.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
For too many families across New York and across the country,
far too many have been show shocked by higher ed
prices as more bird flew outbreaks continue to happen. But
so far, it seems President Trump has not enunciated any
plan to address the bird through outbreak. He spent his
(24:14):
first week pardoning insurrectionists firing government watchdogs, instead of focusing
on things ordinary Americans care about, like the price of groceries.
The President owes the American people some answers.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Now.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
The reason I wanted you hear these in reverse order
is the alarm bell was sounded by doctor hn Wind
excuse doctor Hin, doctor win back in during Christmas last year.
Oh my gosh, the sky is falling. The sky is falling.
Not a peep. You can go do all you're searching
(24:48):
you want to. You won't find Chuck Schumer talking about
the price of eggs anywhere. But then you go to
just less than a month ago, he's blaming Trump, and
oh my gosh, you gotta do something. Yeah, I better
do it now. But the one place I always go
when I'm really looking for a serious conversation about things
(25:08):
like bird flu I think the thing to do is
to go to ABC's The View. Because The View if
you really want, you know, a scientific, logical, rational discussion way,
the ladies of the View are more than happy to
provide that for you, as long as you're a higher
on ketamine or drunken tequila. You want to understand what
(25:29):
they're saying, Well, how do you.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Think arab k is going to handle birds? Was just
run over the chickens? And yeah, I mean what is it?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, just run over the chickens. That's kind of what
they're doing. Yeah, you know that they're they're gassing the chickens. Yeah,
it's just gassing. It's just poison the chickens, which is
what they're doing.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
I don't even know what to say, like we in trouble,
like this.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Is bad, Like it's just.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
You know, like I usually have.
Speaker 9 (25:59):
Something to say, I don't even know what to say.
We're talking about RFK Junior, who's like he definitely is
an anti vax or being responsible for a one point
seven trillion dollar agency, and one of the things that
I'm most concerned about are those that are most vulnerable
in our country, children and the elderly.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
We know very well.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
That the Republicans want to cut Medicare and Medicaid.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
We do. I don't know if any Republican, I literally
do not know if any Republican that wants to cut
Medicare and MEDICAI other than not giving it away to
say illegal aliens, people who are non citizens. But I
do know a lot of Republicans that would like to
revise the programs, try to put them on a sustainable future.
(26:48):
But nobody wants to cut grandma's benefits. Nobody wants to
cut a poor citizen's benefits. Now, if you're not here legally,
I don't think you ought.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
To get any of it medicated at this point. If
it's scaled back, it's given twenty two million Americans access
to healthcare. Nearly eighty million Americans are enrolled in Medicaid.
They're targeting the Affordable Care Act. The people that need
healthcare the most are going.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
To be affected. I'm just so.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
Disgusted and devastated, Like we are in trouble.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, we are in trouble.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Are we in trouble? We are in trouble. You know
why we're in trouble because we listen to that kind
of bull crap. That's why we're in trouble. So the
whole bird flu thing shows me that once again, we're
not paying attention to what really ought to be done.
We're ignoring all the different kinds of options, and we're
(27:51):
just being totally lucy goosey about it.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
The White House is working on a plan to control
the bird flu as egg prices sore to record levels,
back to present it to President Trump in the coming days.
The average cost for a dozen of eggs has jumped
to four dollars and ninety five cents. That's fifty percent
more than a year ago, and prices are expected to
increase by another twenty percent. A Trump official slam the
(28:15):
Biden administration's response to the outbreak.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
The Biden plan was to just, you know, kill chickens.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And they spent billions of dollars just randomly killing chickens
within a perimeter where they found a sick chicken.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Some New York City stores are selling eggs in bundles
of three. They're calling them lucy eggs, similar to how
they sell lucy cigarettes.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
What was the guys name they got that died on
Staten Island because he was he got arrest of selling Lucy's. Yeah. Uh,
if you're out there selling lucy eggs on the street corner,
just be aware you might end up dead right there.
So we came with Michael Brown. You as send me
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So during the break, I got an email from a doctor,
(29:45):
a veterinarian retired. I think you said, I want to
read this to you because this is fascinating to me.
Of course, he starts the email out the right way. Michael,
love your show and try to listen every weekend. That'll
get your attention. Every time you know on air host
er you know got gigantic egos. So now I'm going
to read the email on the Avian influenza deal. I'm
(30:09):
a retired veterinaria veterinary pathologists and spent twenty eight years
working in veterinary medical diagnostic labs and had plenty of
interaction with commercial poultry industry and the USDA. APHIS is
the inspection part response to avian influenza and other commercially
important diseases. USDA response to disease outbreaks in commercial broiler
(30:33):
or layer operations is largely driven by international trade agreements
and mandates that are issued by OIE. I'm not sure
what that is World Organization for Animal Health if never
knew this, Listen closely, because this is another example of
how it is not necessarily a issue of let's well,
(30:57):
let me just finish the sentence and I'll tell you
about why I think it means. If there is an
outbreak of say high pathog genicity avian influenza, which is
what we're dealing with right now in a broiler production
facility here in Kentucky, international trading partners immediately have an
embargo on poultry products coming from the entire state of Kentucky,
(31:21):
even though there may be a distance of say one
hundred to four hundred miles between an affected premises and
other production sites in the state of Kentucky. So until
the situation is cleared, all birds and all poultry products
in the state are limbo, so you can't export them.
That's all because of these international trade agreements. Well, without
(31:45):
going into the I will go into the rest of
email in just second, But right there, that tells me that, well,
first and foremost, you ought to be re negotiating those
international trade agreements because and again I'm not a veterinarian,
but if indeed you've got an affected, infected facility in
one location, but another facility in the same state, but
(32:09):
four hundred or more miles away is unaffected, those birds
ought in, those eggs ought to be available for export,
so you need to revamp the international trade agreement. Now,
of course that's obviously to involve the scientists to determine
whether or not how fast it spreads, or whether or
not you can say that, hey, if you've got an
(32:30):
effective facility here, but you have an unaffected facility, you know,
four hundred miles away, you can certainly still use those
So see, it's not necessarily a issue of just let's
just kill all the birds. And the reason I say
that is because listen to the rest of the email
(32:52):
from the standpoint of a veterinary pathologist HPAI. That is
the high pathogenicity patho genesis, the avian flu what we're
dealing with. As you stated in today's broadcast, Once that
gets into a facility, whether a broiler house, laying hen facility,
or a backyard chicken flock, natural mortality rates are between
(33:17):
ninety eight and one hundred percent. So even without government
intervention mandating the population, he puts in quotes, almost all
of those birds are going to succumb within seventy two
hours of the infection showing up. So then I'm scratching
my head. So if if you're a chicken farmer and
(33:38):
suddenly it shows up in your facility, your birds ninety
eight to one hundred percent of your birds are going
to be dead within three days, then why are we
paying them to kill them? Because assuming that you don't
have birds escaping, Hey, listen, we're going to break out
tonight and we're going to get over to that facility
about one hundred miles from here because they got better
(34:00):
food over there. Yeah, they got it. It's a lot better.
So we're gonna escape tonight. So unless you've got birds escaping,
if your mortality raises between ninety eight and a one
hundred percent, why are we killing them? Let them die? Now?
I don't know the answer to this, but I would
ask the vet this. If let's say it's ninety eight percent,
(34:21):
so you got one thousand birds and nine hundred and
eighty die, you got twenty birds left. Have they developed
natural immunity? Because if you've got twenty twenty birds out
of a thousand that have natural immunity, don't you then
want to start using them and start rebuilding a group
(34:43):
of hens that have natural immunity to this bird flu. Doc,
If you have a chance to answer that question, I'd
love to hear the answer to that, he says. Today,
so far as I'm aware, they've only been sixty seven
confirmed cases of H five N one influence in humans
(35:03):
in the US, and only one fatality, and that was
an eighty three year old that had other cod morbidities. Gee,
almost sounds like SARS CoV two, doesn't it. If you're
old eighty three considered old, and you got a cold morbidity,
you got the high blood pressure, you got the diabetes,
you got cancer, you got you know, whatever it might be. Yeah,
(35:24):
then you're gonna be more susceptible than you know, say
a even a sixty year old or a fifty five
year old, or certainly a thirty year old or certainly
a two year old. Well that's a great email. And
as he says, think about people dying with COVID, but
not necessarily of or by COVID. Kylie, you were going
(35:45):
through the same thing again. And I was not aware
of these international trade agreements. So if the international trade
agreements is what's causing USDA and APHIS to say that, hey, listen,
just go kill all the birds. Well, wait a minute,
we have a night twenty eight to one hundred percent
mortality rate anyway, Why are we paying to kill the birds?
(36:05):
They're gonna die anyway. Someday they'll be saying that about
you and me. Hey, he's eighty three years old. He's
going to die anyway, So why are we We'll pay
you to go ahead and kill him now. Yeah, that's
probably the next thing to come up. Holy cow. So doc,
if you can tell me about the whole idea that
(36:26):
if you've got let's just say it's ninety eight percent
and you got twenty birds that survive. Do they have
a natural immunity. I'm dying to know. It's the Weekend
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that for you know, starting back in with the well
with the twenty twenty election, and almost immediately when Biden
took office, they started just cramming through the Inflation Reduction Act,
(01:18):
the Infrastructure Bill, every kind of spending bill you could
possibly imagine. Now, at one time, the federal budget was
around between three and four trillion dollars a year, and
even that we were borrowing about anywhere between forty three
and forty seven percent because we still didn't have enough money.
(01:39):
Good grief. With all the money we take in, we
have a spending problem, not a revenue problem, but boom.
Once you take an additional three four five s Some
estimates are as high as six or seven trillion dollars
over the course of the four years, and you throw
that kind of money into the economy, that's just like
(02:03):
putting a match to a blowtorch to a flamethrower of inflation.
And you and I suffered and still continue to suffer
through inflation because despite Trump saying that he was going
to end inflation on day one, it's going to take
him more time than it is than I think he
understands that, which gets back to my point about don't
(02:25):
take Trump literally, but take Trump seriously. He will work
and you will start to see it with the slashing
and burning of the federal budget. But you and I
saw it. Gas prices, grocery prices. You know, the cost
of eating out in Colorado has risen almost I think
(02:47):
it's like sixty seven percent, but almost seventy percent. It
costs more today to eat out. And I don't care
whether you're talking about a fancy smanchee you know, Italian place,
or you're talking about going to McDonald's wherever you're going.
It's costing you anywhere between sixty and seventy percent more
than it did four years ago. That's a serious inflationary problem. Well, suddenly,
(03:13):
after all this time, Democrats and the cabal are suddenly
obsessed with the price of eggs, after spending at least
the past four years essentially denying even the existence of
inflation at all under Joe Biden. So what changed? Why
suddenly this interest in inflation? But changed the guy in
(03:37):
the White House. His name's no longer Biden, It's Trump. Now,
let's go back for a moment. When Biden took office
in January of twenty twenty one, the average cost of
a dozen eggs was a dollar forty six cents. By
the time he left just last month, that price had
(03:59):
surged more more than two hundred percent to over four
dollars and fifty cents.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
You know, your mileage may vary depending on where you live,
but a two hundred percent increase in the cost of eggs.
Throughout Trump's first term Trump one point zero, the price
was stable at about around a dollar seventy five dozen.
Now according to Google Trends, you know, there's a great
(04:27):
if you ever want to just see like trends that
are going on in terms of news searches issues, Google
trends is a place, is a great place to go.
According to Google Trends, there was a zero percent interest
score in news stories about quote egg prices during the
(04:50):
last year Biden's presidency. In other words, nobody was looking
it up. No, I shouldn't say nobody, but a zero
percent interest score, meaning that it was just deminimus. Very
few if any, people were searching egg prices on Google.
But the minute that Trump was sworn in, the interest
(05:12):
in quote egg prices spiked. It peaked at one hundred
percent between January twenty six and February first, which is
what just twenty some days ago now, what drove that?
What drove the sudden interest in egg prices? Well, first
(05:33):
and foremost of cabal. If you never believe me about
the cabal, drives a narrative because I know that. Look,
I know my audience and the vast majority of you,
and I do mean vast majority of you probably agree
with a lot of what I say. Now, it doesn't
bother me. If you disagree with me, it doesn't bother
(05:54):
me in the least. In fact, if you ever disagree
with me about something I say, feel free to text
me and explain to me why you did agree with me.
You might actually persuade me. So But the cabal for
what did what did Rush call them? Rush used to
have the low information voters? Rush used to call them
(06:14):
low information voters. Well for the low information voters out there,
as as I like to call them the stupid people.
I guess I'm a little I'm not. I'm not quite
as sophisticated as RUSH. So I think it is stupid
people out there. And if you don't believe there's stupid
people out there, the next time you're at the grocery store,
the next time you're driving down the highway, the next
time you're in a meeting. Look to your left, Yeah,
(06:37):
there they are. Look to your right, Oh there they are.
Were there too. They're stupid people all around us. Well,
since Trump two point zero started, CNN has written dozens
of articles on egg prices since the moment that Trump
was sworn in. One had this headline, I pledged to
(07:01):
bring down food prices on day one. Instead, eggs are
getting more expensive. See they drive this narraty. Now again,
I know that Trump did say. Trump said, you know,
on day one, we're gonna start bringing prices down. That's
why I say, don't take them literally. It's taking seriously. Yes,
he's focused on bringing down inflation, but it's not You knew,
(07:24):
and I knew that wasn't gonna happen on day one.
It wasn't like on January twentieth of twenty twenty five,
at twelve oh two, after he took the oath of
office on twelve oh one, that suddenly the price of
eggs going to go back down to a dollar seventy
five a dozen. We knew that wasn't going to happen,
but the stupid people thought that it would. So that's
(07:44):
the first thing that drove this spike in interest in
egg prices. And then there was something else. And that's
another part of the cabal, the ruling elite Democrat politicians.
Chuck Schumer, the Senate Minority leader, I love saying Senate
Minority leader, and no longer the Senate Majority leader. He
(08:07):
chastised this quote. The President owes the American people some answers.
What is he going to do about the price of
eggs exacerbated by bird flu? Well, it actually raises kind
of an interesting question. What caused the egg crisis. It's
a mix of av and flu outbreaks. Oh my gosh,
we can spend the next hour and a half talking
(08:28):
about that. Biden's mass killing of hens that is pretty
interesting too. And of course, increase production costs, because when
it costs more to heat the coops, the big the
big barns, to keep the chickens in, when it costs
more to transport the feed, when it costs more to
do everything to deliver the eggs, and when all those
(08:50):
production costs increase. So if you understand econ one oh one,
that means the price of eggs is going to go
up too. But let's think about some of these different
causes AVM flu outbreaks, Biden's mass killing of hens, and
rising or increasing production costs. Let's talk about AVM flu
outbreak first, which we'll do after the break. It's the
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So we're talking about this sudden interest by Democrats and eggs,
and of course there are three reasons I think for
this increase in the price of eggs, and the first
and foremost is the avian flu outbreak. And since well
(10:42):
for the now almost three years, there have been several
waves of this highly contagious avian bird flu and that
has resulted in a public policy decision of calling the hens.
Do you know that over the past all almost three years,
more than one hundred and fifty million birds have been cold.
(11:06):
You know, I'm not going to use the word cold
said over the past almost three years, more than one
hundred and fifty egg laying hens have been put down
killed euthanized cold is just a that's too soft of
a word to use in an attempt to contain what
(11:28):
is indeed a contagious virus. For perspective. Today, there are
a total of three hundred and sixty nine million egg
layers right here in the US. Now, we'll get back
to the culling or the killing of these birds in
just a minute.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
But the third.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Factor is that inflation under Biden has driven the prices
of grain and transportation costs, all of which contributes to
higher egg prices. So Trump has a plan and Trump's
play and is it? Currently, the Department of Agriculture compensates
poultry farmers for killing entire flocks exposed exposed to bird flu,
(12:10):
but it does not pay for birds that actually die
from the disease. So what does that do if if
the government says we'll pay you to kill your entire
flock that's been exposed. You know you got one he
(12:30):
you've got to you gotta coop with a thousand chickens
in it and a thousand hens have been exposed to
one chicken that's got the flu. Okay, well, we'll we'll
pay you if you kill all of them, but we
won't pay you for the birds or any birds that
die from the disease itself. Now, think about what that
(12:50):
does to a farmer. Okay, Well, that means I'm better
off if I mass slaughter my birds as opposed to
calling out that have the flu and just eliminating things.
I'm not going to get paid for them. So rather
than kill three, four, or five or even a dozen birds,
or even one hundred birds, ten percent of those thousand ends. Instead,
(13:14):
if I kill the thousand, I get paid for that.
So that incentivizes the mass slaughter of our bird supply.
Do you ever just scratch your head sometimes at how
stupid the government is or who comes up with these policies.
If you want to eliminate some waste, fraud and abuse,
eliminate whatever program office it is in the Department of Agriculture,
(13:36):
they came up with that numb mass policy. So now
they're trying to the Trump two point zero is they're
trying to look at ways to revolutionize the egg industry's
response to these diseases by focusing on tighter biosecurity and medication.
I say in medication, because you know what, we have
(14:00):
a bird flu vaccine. Yes, we do. We have a
bird flu vaccine. Now, I don't know the mechanics of
how you identify a bird that's got the flu, but
if you start vaccinating your hens problem solved, it seems
to me. Kevin Hassen, who heads the National Economic Council
(14:25):
in the White House, told CBS News that the administration
is quote working with all the best people in government,
including academics around the country and around the world. So
the big picture is this, egg prices will likely continue
to rise while poultry farmers start to try to rebuild
their bird populations. So that's gonna take time. You can't
(14:47):
buy a fully mature hen that's ready to lay eggs.
That's gonna take you. And I'm not a chicken farmer,
so I don't know, but I'm guessing that's gonna take
you at least what five or six months, if not longer.
But Democrats are going to lay the blame squarely on
Trump two point zero. But that's a problem he inherited,
(15:08):
it's not a problem he created. Now, I think this
is a strategic mistake by Democrats. Egg prices are a
volatile item that they're going to hitch their wagon to seriously,
because the price quickly fluctuates up or down. In January
(15:29):
of twenty twenty three, prices hit four dollars and eighty
cents before falling to just two dollars and four cents
a few months later. Now we could speculate about all
sorts of reasons why maybe there's a little bit of
the increase in supply, or maybe because the price got
so high that price elasticity hit and people said, I'm
(15:51):
not paying four dollars and eighty cents, you know, for
a dozen eggs. So demand plummeted. And when demand plummets,
prices go down because well, you try to sell more eggs,
meaning that Trump probably can and likely will get eggs
back down in the two to three dollars range. So actually,
(16:11):
what democrats are doing is they're setting democrats. They're setting
Trump two point zero up for probably a pretty big win.
But what's happening in the meantime. I love the economics
of this because every time you get something like you know,
chicken price is going up, there's always somebody because there's
(16:31):
always a way to make money in this.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
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and soaring prices. A company is helping people get their
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Speaker 5 (16:40):
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Jen So, can you start by telling us why did
you and your husband Phil start this company in the
first place?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Or maniacs? That's why I'll tell you.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
We We have some back haired chickens, and I was
looking for something to do that's f fill in and
we he did this crazy search online for crazy business
ideas and chicken rentals was on there, and he said
to me, do you want to rent some chickens?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
And I said, well, I can work the power tools,
and we have some chickens, why not? So Rent the
Chicken was ashed and twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So they have this in Denver. Four hundred and fifty
nine dollars every six months. You get a coop, you
get some initial feed, you get some hens. I forget
how many, four hundred and fifteen, so one thousand dollars
almost one thousand dollars a year plus all the effort.
And if you lose a chicken or you know, your
dog gets a chicken, well got a pay to get
(17:47):
a new chicken, Rent a chicken, baby, rent a chicken.
So we came with Michael Brown, Hang tight, I'll be
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Speaker 3 (18:00):
The former FEMA director of talk show host Michael Brown.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
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at Michael Brown USA. So I want to walk through
a little bit about kind of what the Kabbal's been
(18:30):
doing about bird flu, because on the one hand, it
shows you how stupid the government is in response to it,
and on the other hand, it kind of tells you, oh, maybe,
just maybe bird flu might just be another experiment about
how we can convince people to do things that maybe
(18:52):
are not really scientifically justified. So let's kind of work
our way backwards. Let's go back to the end of December.
December twenty ninth, CBS's Face the Nation, Margaret Brennan, who
quite frankly, is not the smartest cookie in the entire
(19:14):
box of cookies. She has Leonna Wynn. Who is this?
She's this epidemiologist. She is a COVID freak. She believes
in the COVID nineteen shot, what she calls a vaccine,
which does not stop the spread, actually makes the disease
(19:36):
worse than many people. Shouldn't be given to children. But
I digress. Here's what she had to say about the
whole bird flu situation. What should be happening in the
Biden administration right now that isn't going on.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, there are two main things that they should be
doing in the days that they have left. The first
is to get testing out there. I feel like we
should have learned our lesson from COVID that just because
we aren't testing it doesn't mean that the virus isn't there.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
It just means that we aren't looking for it.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
We should be having rapid tests, home tests available to
all farm workers, to their families, for the clinicians taking
care of them, so that we aren't waiting for public
labs and CDC labs to tell us what's bird flu
or not.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
So the very first thing over mouth is she's more
concerned about testing individuals now, how many individuals. Three hundred
and fifty million Americans, some eight billion people on the planet.
You do the math now, I maybe off of these numbers,
they may have changed since last I looked, But the
last I looked, I think we had five, six, maybe
(20:36):
seven people in this country that have the H five
N one bird flu. Out of three hundred and fifty
million Americans, I'd say your chances are pretty good you
ain't going to get the bird flu.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And the second very important thing is this is not
like the beginning of COVID, where we were dealing with
the new virus.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
We didn't have a vaccine.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
There actually is a vaccine developed already against age five
and one. The Biden Image Station has contracted with the
manufacturers to make almost five million doses of the vaccine.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
However, they have not contracted.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
With the manufacturers for a human vaccine for bird flu.
Five people have it, let's just say five thousand people
have it. I don't care. I wonder what we spent
on that, And I wonder if we also gave them
protection from liability for a sort of malpractice that the vaccines.
(21:30):
You know, the harm that the vaccines might cause. And
now what you know, sometimes when you you might drive
past the chicken farm somewhere not even know it. Better
get that vaccine.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I asked the FDA to authorize the vaccine. There's research
down on it.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
They could get this authorized now and also get the
vaccine out and two.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Farm workers into vulnerable people.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I think that's the right approach because we don't know
what the Trump administration is going to be doing around
bird flu. If they have people coming in with anti
vaccine stances, could they hold up vaccine authorization if they
don't want to know how much bird flu is out there,
could they withhold testing.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I mean that's a possibility, and I think the.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Biden administration in the remaining days should get testing and
vaccines widely available so that at least in empowers state
and local health officials and clinicians to do the right
thing for their patients.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Start to wornings.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Start the fear now. Now, this is back into this
is between Christmas in New Year's last year. Start the fear. Now.
We got five or six people that got the bird flu,
So let's ramp up. Let's start spending money. We don't have.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Is bird flu and humans super dangerous?
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Well?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
The World Health Organization estimates that in prior outbreaks of
the bird flu that the mortality rate is fifty two
percent fifty. However, in this most recent outbreak, it seems
that most cases have been wild and maybe some people
even have asymptomatic infection.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
But find that interesting. Well, you know who says it's okay,
what five people? So two and a half people got it. Well, now,
but now this version is not well, you know, it
(23:22):
doesn't really spread.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
But the question is, we don't know what happens when
bird floe affects more vulnerable individuals. People infected so far
in the US have been mainly farm workers for so.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We don't know about grandma and granddad, for people in
nursing homes. But you know what, maybe we ought to
give it to him anyway, just to be safe. It's
utter insanity. And then of course you got Chuck Schumer,
who's I said earlier, he's all over this.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
This is just from less than a month ago.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
For too many families across New York and across the country,
far too many have been show shocked by higher ed
prices as more bird flew outbreaks continue to happen. But
so far, it seems President Trump has not enunciated any
plan to address the bird through outbreak. He spent his
(24:14):
first week pardoning insurrectionists firing government watchdogs, instead of focusing
on things ordinary Americans care about, like the price of groceries.
The President owes the American people some answers.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Now.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
The reason I wanted you hear these in reverse order
is the alarm bell was sounded by doctor hn Wind
excuse doctor Hin, doctor win back in during Christmas last year.
Oh my gosh, the sky is falling. The sky is falling.
Not a peep. You can go do all you're searching
(24:48):
you want to. You won't find Chuck Schumer talking about
the price of eggs anywhere. But then you go to
just less than a month ago, he's blaming Trump, and
oh my gosh, you gotta do something. Yeah, I better
do it now. But the one place I always go
when I'm really looking for a serious conversation about things
(25:08):
like bird flu I think the thing to do is
to go to ABC's The View. Because The View if
you really want, you know, a scientific, logical, rational discussion way,
the ladies of the View are more than happy to
provide that for you, as long as you're a higher
on ketamine or drunken tequila. You want to understand what
(25:29):
they're saying, Well, how do you.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Think arab k is going to handle birds? Was just
run over the chickens? And yeah, I mean what is it?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, just run over the chickens. That's kind of what
they're doing. Yeah, you know that they're they're gassing the chickens. Yeah,
it's just gassing. It's just poison the chickens, which is
what they're doing.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
I don't even know what to say, like we in trouble,
like this.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Is bad, Like it's just.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
You know, like I usually have.
Speaker 9 (25:59):
Something to say, I don't even know what to say.
We're talking about RFK Junior, who's like he definitely is
an anti vax or being responsible for a one point
seven trillion dollar agency, and one of the things that
I'm most concerned about are those that are most vulnerable
in our country, children and the elderly.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
We know very well.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
That the Republicans want to cut Medicare and Medicaid.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
We do. I don't know if any Republican, I literally
do not know if any Republican that wants to cut
Medicare and MEDICAI other than not giving it away to
say illegal aliens, people who are non citizens. But I
do know a lot of Republicans that would like to
revise the programs, try to put them on a sustainable future.
(26:48):
But nobody wants to cut grandma's benefits. Nobody wants to
cut a poor citizen's benefits. Now, if you're not here legally,
I don't think you ought.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
To get any of it medicated at this point. If
it's scaled back, it's given twenty two million Americans access
to healthcare. Nearly eighty million Americans are enrolled in Medicaid.
They're targeting the Affordable Care Act. The people that need
healthcare the most are going.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
To be affected. I'm just so.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
Disgusted and devastated, Like we are in trouble.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, we are in trouble.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Are we in trouble? We are in trouble. You know
why we're in trouble because we listen to that kind
of bull crap. That's why we're in trouble. So the
whole bird flu thing shows me that once again, we're
not paying attention to what really ought to be done.
We're ignoring all the different kinds of options, and we're
(27:51):
just being totally lucy goosey about it.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
The White House is working on a plan to control
the bird flu as egg prices sore to record levels,
back to present it to President Trump in the coming days.
The average cost for a dozen of eggs has jumped
to four dollars and ninety five cents. That's fifty percent
more than a year ago, and prices are expected to
increase by another twenty percent. A Trump official slam the
(28:15):
Biden administration's response to the outbreak.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
The Biden plan was to just, you know, kill chickens.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And they spent billions of dollars just randomly killing chickens
within a perimeter where they found a sick chicken.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Some New York City stores are selling eggs in bundles
of three. They're calling them lucy eggs, similar to how
they sell lucy cigarettes.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
What was the guys name they got that died on
Staten Island because he was he got arrest of selling Lucy's. Yeah. Uh,
if you're out there selling lucy eggs on the street corner,
just be aware you might end up dead right there.
So we came with Michael Brown. You as send me
a text message. The number is three three one zero three.
(29:01):
Use the keyword Mike or Michael. Hang tight, I'll be
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So during the break, I got an email from a doctor,
(29:45):
a veterinarian retired. I think you said, I want to
read this to you because this is fascinating to me.
Of course, he starts the email out the right way. Michael,
love your show and try to listen every weekend. That'll
get your attention. Every time you know on air host
er you know got gigantic egos. So now I'm going
to read the email on the Avian influenza deal. I'm
(30:09):
a retired veterinaria veterinary pathologists and spent twenty eight years
working in veterinary medical diagnostic labs and had plenty of
interaction with commercial poultry industry and the USDA. APHIS is
the inspection part response to avian influenza and other commercially
important diseases. USDA response to disease outbreaks in commercial broiler
(30:33):
or layer operations is largely driven by international trade agreements
and mandates that are issued by OIE. I'm not sure
what that is World Organization for Animal Health if never
knew this, Listen closely, because this is another example of
how it is not necessarily a issue of let's well,
(30:57):
let me just finish the sentence and I'll tell you
about why I think it means. If there is an
outbreak of say high pathog genicity avian influenza, which is
what we're dealing with right now in a broiler production
facility here in Kentucky, international trading partners immediately have an
embargo on poultry products coming from the entire state of Kentucky,
(31:21):
even though there may be a distance of say one
hundred to four hundred miles between an affected premises and
other production sites in the state of Kentucky. So until
the situation is cleared, all birds and all poultry products
in the state are limbo, so you can't export them.
That's all because of these international trade agreements. Well, without
(31:45):
going into the I will go into the rest of
email in just second, But right there, that tells me that, well,
first and foremost, you ought to be re negotiating those
international trade agreements because and again I'm not a veterinarian,
but if indeed you've got an affected, infected facility in
one location, but another facility in the same state, but
(32:09):
four hundred or more miles away is unaffected, those birds
ought in, those eggs ought to be available for export,
so you need to revamp the international trade agreement. Now,
of course that's obviously to involve the scientists to determine
whether or not how fast it spreads, or whether or
not you can say that, hey, if you've got an
(32:30):
effective facility here, but you have an unaffected facility, you know,
four hundred miles away, you can certainly still use those
So see, it's not necessarily a issue of just let's
just kill all the birds. And the reason I say
that is because listen to the rest of the email
(32:52):
from the standpoint of a veterinary pathologist HPAI. That is
the high pathogenicity patho genesis, the avian flu what we're
dealing with. As you stated in today's broadcast, Once that
gets into a facility, whether a broiler house, laying hen facility,
or a backyard chicken flock, natural mortality rates are between
(33:17):
ninety eight and one hundred percent. So even without government
intervention mandating the population, he puts in quotes, almost all
of those birds are going to succumb within seventy two
hours of the infection showing up. So then I'm scratching
my head. So if if you're a chicken farmer and
(33:38):
suddenly it shows up in your facility, your birds ninety
eight to one hundred percent of your birds are going
to be dead within three days, then why are we
paying them to kill them? Because assuming that you don't
have birds escaping, Hey, listen, we're going to break out
tonight and we're going to get over to that facility
about one hundred miles from here because they got better
(34:00):
food over there. Yeah, they got it. It's a lot better.
So we're gonna escape tonight. So unless you've got birds escaping,
if your mortality raises between ninety eight and a one
hundred percent, why are we killing them? Let them die? Now?
I don't know the answer to this, but I would
ask the vet this. If let's say it's ninety eight percent,
(34:21):
so you got one thousand birds and nine hundred and
eighty die, you got twenty birds left. Have they developed
natural immunity? Because if you've got twenty twenty birds out
of a thousand that have natural immunity, don't you then
want to start using them and start rebuilding a group
(34:43):
of hens that have natural immunity to this bird flu. Doc,
If you have a chance to answer that question, I'd
love to hear the answer to that, he says. Today,
so far as I'm aware, they've only been sixty seven
confirmed cases of H five N one influence in humans
(35:03):
in the US, and only one fatality, and that was
an eighty three year old that had other cod morbidities. Gee,
almost sounds like SARS CoV two, doesn't it. If you're
old eighty three considered old, and you got a cold morbidity,
you got the high blood pressure, you got the diabetes,
you got cancer, you got you know, whatever it might be. Yeah,
(35:24):
then you're gonna be more susceptible than you know, say
a even a sixty year old or a fifty five
year old, or certainly a thirty year old or certainly
a two year old. Well that's a great email. And
as he says, think about people dying with COVID, but
not necessarily of or by COVID. Kylie, you were going
(35:45):
through the same thing again. And I was not aware
of these international trade agreements. So if the international trade
agreements is what's causing USDA and APHIS to say that, hey, listen,
just go kill all the birds. Well, wait a minute,
we have a night twenty eight to one hundred percent
mortality rate anyway, Why are we paying to kill the birds?
(36:05):
They're gonna die anyway. Someday they'll be saying that about
you and me. Hey, he's eighty three years old. He's
going to die anyway, So why are we We'll pay
you to go ahead and kill him now. Yeah, that's
probably the next thing to come up. Holy cow. So doc,
if you can tell me about the whole idea that
(36:26):
if you've got let's just say it's ninety eight percent
and you got twenty birds that survive. Do they have
a natural immunity. I'm dying to know. It's the Weekend
with Michael Brown. The text line number is three three
one zero three three three one zero three. Just use
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I'll be right back.
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