2-25-25 - 6am - Just A Podcaster for FBI Deputy Director

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you guys know how weird it is to be
awakened at four in the morning with chickens in the
background and someone breathing heavily into your ear? Goobers are weirdish?

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Well, you ought to know, right, what's worse being woken
up with chickens or being woken up with Michael Brown?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Or a cackle? A cackle. I'm not really sure where
to start this morning, because it's almost like Dragon was
spying on me yesterday.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
But I did nothing.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Oh you had What did you do? You walked in
and said something about he's just a podcaster because.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
You brought him up. We were talking about the liquor
store on Federal, right, and then you brought up this
podcaster for some reason.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I see, I think you're just.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Mentioned his name, and I was like, oh, the pod Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Oh yeah, that's right, that's right, the podcaster, Dan Bongino,
the podcaster.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
The only job the man has ever had is being
a podcaster.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yes yesterday, I was I was being a federal worker. Yesterday.
I was on a phone call and I was bored
to death.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Did you list your five accomplishments from last week?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
No? But you know the guy that I was telling
you about. Huh. Also posted on his Facebook page this
we only want qualified billionaires working for the United States
and from Feminist News, a site that I've never looked at,

(01:49):
and now I'm I'm torn between wanting to dig into
the site and blocking it, so I just never run
across it again. But he posted a meme from Feminist
News that says all billionaires must submit a list of
five things they did for society in the last week,

(02:09):
or their wealth shall be confiscated.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Maybe it is a little controversial here, but I think
I'm okay with somebody who was a billionaire before they
got into government. I think I'm kind of okay with
that because they created those that wealth, and now they're
going to put that knowledge that they used to create

(02:36):
that wealth in the government's Maybe it's probably a little controversialized,
but if you're a become a billionaire because you're in government, and.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I probably have a little bit of problem with it.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
I don't like that very much.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
I just think you should learn to hate billionaires for
the simple fact that they are billionaires.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
How dare they have more money than me? Ex not
harder and had better ideas?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
This is why, this is why I'm favor in favor
of diversity, equity, and inclusion, because while some people will
be brought down to my level, some people will be
brought up to my level, but I will be brought
up to somebody's level somewhere, how somewhere, you know. I
think that the odds are that my life financially will
be improved somewhat because I'm just a dumb, middle class

(03:24):
American that's sitting here paying US axes and doing all
this other crap.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
And you're just the Arabian horse guy.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Right exactly, no qualifications whatsoever for anything. So I'm sitting
on the phone yesterday. Don't trust me. Don't do this
so much like I must well been in a government meeting,
or I might as well have been on an iHeart
Teams meeting calls. Why I should have been on. So

(03:50):
someone's droning on and on on this conference call that
I'm having, and so I'm sitting there with my laptop.
I've got my feet up at my desk. My laptop's
in my life. I'm kind of leaning back in my
chair hoping that I don't lean back too far and
fall off, you know. So I got my microphone turned off,
and of course my cameras turned off as I listen
to these people drone on and on and on, and

(04:10):
I start scrolling death scrolling through Twitter X and I
quickly get bored with it, so I jump over to
Facebook and lo and behold, tam and I have a
mutual friend. His family was a big family. They had, like,
you know, I know, eight or ten kids, two of

(04:32):
which a brother and sister that were twins, were in
my class. This guy may or may not have been
in Tamra's class, I'm not sure, but he's gone off
the deep end in terms of his leftist politics. He's
the one that posted the feminist news about all billionaires
must submit a list of five things they did for
society in the last week or their well shall be confiscated.

(04:55):
So I never look at his page because I don't
need to, because I've got Tamra usually sitting over there
that starts ranting and raving. I can tell when she's
looking at Dwayne's page because she starts ranting and raving
about stuff, and she's either ranting and raving about it

(05:15):
or she's asking me, can this possibly be true? You
know kind of thing. It's like I'm it's uh, love you.
I love you to death, deer. But I'm not your Google,
but she thinks I'm her Google. So you know, it's
always like is this true? Is this true? It's like
yesterday she she came home from work, uh, and something

(05:38):
about some somebody had said something somewhere about Trump is
anti gay and Trump wants to get rid of gaze,
and Trump wants to eliminate gay marriage, and Trump wants
to do all of this.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Trump is the first president that before he went into
office was okay with gay marriage.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Trumps at least two, if not three, gay members of
his cabinet. So and I told her that, I said,
I know Scott Bescent is because he has openly talked
about it on some interview with I don't know Fox

(06:17):
News or somebody, but I think there are two others too.
But then my hope, But then my I ended up
with the point, but who cares? I mean, so, what
what did this person say to you? Well, that he
wants to eliminate gay marriage and he's against gays, and
that he wants to somehow and in all gays, including
this person that she was talking to at work, is

(06:39):
scared because Trump is coming after her. I think Trump's
got more things on his mind than coming after gay people.
I think so. I may be wrong, but I think so.
So anyway, back to this guy named Doing, So, this
guy named Doing is somebody I I. Of course I'm

(07:01):
not on Facebook all that often. I really barely engage
in Facebook anymore, except when i'm doing something like death scrolling,
like it was yesterday on this phone call. And so
I scroll through, and I come through, I cross over
and here, yeah, there's a screenshot from what appears to

(07:23):
be CNN. Trump right wing podcaster Dan Bongino will be
FBI Deputy director. And they got a picture Dan Bongino
up there, new FBI deputy director. And of course it's Bongino,
just in a you know, in a T shirt, and
it's well, it's Dan.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
It makes some sense because Trump is a fan of
new media. So having a podcaster, it's just like having
THEO of Honor Joe Rogan.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
It's fine, exactly exactly. So I look at the post
and and he writes, an experienced FBI agent is normally
selected to be assistant FBI director. Well that's not technically directed.
It's the deputy FBI director. Not a Fox News show host,
even if he wants, even if he was once a

(08:11):
secret service Oh, this has been edited to now add
secret Service agent. I see now he's edited to add
secret Service agent. So I saw that, and uh looked
at the comments, and there were two comments before mine,
these meaning Trump people are not normal, healthy, patriotic, intelligent times.

(08:37):
And I thought, wait a minute, what's do So the
last four years were normal, healthy, patriotic, intelligent times when
we had uh a Woodrow Wilson situation where Edith aka
doctor Jail Biden or Hunter Biden the crackhead was running
the country. So I kind of laughed at that, and

(08:58):
then I saw the next comment. Uh, he's making the
agency loyal to him, his own private little police force
someone else. Now, listen closely to this because it's couched
in terms, because she does not have the guts to
say what she really is thinking. Making an agency loyal
to him his own private little police force. Someone else

(09:25):
did this in history, it was called the Gestapo. Oh,
so Bongino is Hitler, or maybe Trump is Hitler, or
maybe Vance is Hitler, or maybe anybody everybody associated with
Trump who voted for Trump is Hitler. So of course,

(09:49):
because I'm bored to death, I engage, which is for me.
It is always a mistake. It's always a mistake, all right.
Normally I ignore your ignorance about most things you post.
So I thought, coming right out of the barrel, just
go ahead and shoot both barrels of the shotgun. But
this crossed the line. Dan Bongino is a friend of mine. First,

(10:13):
he has a criminal justice degree from the City University
of New York, and he is an NBA from Penn
or maybe Penn State, I forget which one, Pen or
Penn State. Second, he is former military. He was also
a New York Police Department and NYPD cop. You don't
really get much more law enforcement in your blood than

(10:34):
being an NYPD cop. He has extensive law enforcement experience.
He is a former Secret Service agent for both President Obama,
first Lady Hillary Clinton, and for a president for President Bush.
He is more than qualified to be the deputy director
of the FBI. Your screenshot claiming that he is a

(10:56):
quote right wing podcaster shows why most Americans distrust the
media in this country. Choosing to label Bongino as a
right wing podcaster while ignoring his extensive experience and qualifications
is absolutely bull you know what. I love it when
I can actually use the word. You might want to
check your facts before just following along. Whether it is

(11:19):
that CNN or MSNBC or anything on television for that matter,
tell you, because I guarantee you most often it is wrong, biased,
and designed to play into the hands of ignorant people
who don't do their own research. Have a nice day.
It is somebody, Susan replies, Yes, he is all of
those things, and also someone that pushed the election fraud,

(11:43):
conspiracy and other conspiracies. Ah I write that means he'll
make the agency loyal to him, his own private little
police force, as you claim. So you're comparing Dan Bongino
to hint to Hitler since you obliquely referenced Hitler and

(12:07):
the Gestapo, why don't you have the courage of your
convictions and call mister Bongino just another Hitler? Like most
progressive Marxists in this country, do you have no guts?
You have no valid logical response. Questioning the results of
an election is something that Hillary Clinton herself did too.
Remember that I doubt you do. Bye bye, Let's see Dwayne,

(12:34):
and I love this. Dwayne responds Michael, I have always
been impressed that a guy minite from our small rural
town rose to your high position. That being said, there's
the butt, there's the butt. I'll continue posting my opinions. Well,
I didn't tell you not to post your opinions. I
just said it's your opinion hated to be based on,
you know, a misstatement of the facts. I'll respect you

(12:58):
and listen to your opinions, and I'll expect the same
from you. Well, yeah, I told you what I thought.
The experience you've described for your friend, though impressive, does
not equal the existence or does not equal the experience
of an FBI agent. It's customary for the office of
the assistant he calling the assistant of the assistant to

(13:19):
the director to filled by an agent who has risen
through the ranks. Patel promised to Congress that he'd select
from the ranks that you might agree would normal. And
then we could, of course discuss the merit to Cash
Battel to be his boss, the actual director of the FBI.
Maybe you can liken us to his ties to Russia,
and he has a Washington Post story attached about his

(13:43):
ties to Russia. Cash Battels, which, if you read the
Washington Post story, Cash Battel appeared in a documentary was
a PA was paid to appear in the documentary and
was paid by an owner of the production company who
happens to be a dual citizen Russian American or he

(14:04):
may be a Russian living in America as a visa
to live here. I'm not quite sure what it is,
but I wrote that if you read the actual story
in the Washington Post, as I just did, he received
an honorarium from a company that is run by someone
with ties to Russia. He fully disclosed that in his
financial disclosures to the US Senate, including the Government Ethics Commission,

(14:26):
who found nothing wrong with the honorarium. I have received
many speaking fees and honorariums from companies where I do
not know all of the investors or the owners. I
have traveled to Russia numerous times. I have sat with
Russian leaders. I have negotiated international agreements with Russians, some
of whom were involved in the brutal attack on the Ukraine.
I have sat across the table from Putin's former defense minister.

(14:46):
Does that somehow make me a Russian asset? It certainly
means I have quote ties to Russian. In fact, I
do have ties to Russia. It does not mean I
am anti American or pro Russian. This story has much
ado about nothing. Let's ask some of the senator's name
in that article about their ties to say, Oh, I
don't know the Chinese communist companies. The world is a
web of relationships because we live in a globally intertwined world.

(15:10):
That does not make every acquaintance, speaking, fear, honorarium illegal
or unethical. Only when you use your position to engage
in influence peddling based on your or maybe your father's position,
does it cross a line of illegality or at least
unethical behavior. And unlike other politicians, cash Ptel fully disclosed

(15:31):
his holdings, his honorariums, and his payments, unlike others. And
his response is, well, of course you've got that experience
over me. Blah blah blah. I was just in the navy.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
It's not about just in the navy or just in
this or just in that. It's about not allowing the
cabal to just feed you please. And I know that
you are not, but many people you know are like
our former classmate who just sees the headlines or the
cairn on CNN and immediately jumps to a conclusion. And

(16:07):
that sort of crap just drives me nuts. So what's
really happened here is the Dan Bongino's appointment along with
Cash Betel's appointment for that matter, breaks the tradition in
the FBI, and that tradition is one that was established

(16:28):
by j Edgar Hoover, and that is that the FBI
must always run itself, regardless who the President appoints as
a director. The FBI has always, since the day since
its founding and since the days of j Edgar Hoover,
has seen itself as a self enclosed entity to which

(16:49):
nobody can come in and nobody from outside. It is.
It is an incestuous organization in which everybody rises from
with in the ranks. You only choose from within the ranks.
So therefore you can go ahead and do whatever you do,
and it becomes, well, you know, kind of like the mob,

(17:12):
kind of like the mafia. They're all paid men. And
so because they're all paid men, well now you have
all the protection. The FBI has believed that the second
in command and I'll give you the exception just a second.

(17:33):
But they've always believed that it should be an insider,
that it should be a product of that little self
contained entity itself. Why do you think the FBI love
Christopher Ray because it ran him like they would run
a ci A confidential informant. And now Trump has broken

(17:57):
that tradition by appointing Dan bond Gina as the deputy
director and Cash Patel as the director. I honestly, from
my perspective, don't see more qualified individuals than Cash Battel.
You think about what Cash Patel did on the House
Intel Committee. Little Adam Schiff out of the pianist pants

(18:21):
right now because he exposed the lies that the FBI
did to the Phize the court. He exposed the Steele dossier,
he exposed all of that. Yeah, now he's in charge
of the FBI. But let me break that tradition further.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
My favorite federal employee who is whining about having to
list the five things she did last week, ironically had
the time to go on a national show to talk
about how she didn't have time to list the five
things she did last week, which would have taken less
than five minutes. I'm sure scheduling and prepping and actually

(19:05):
doing the interview all took longer than five minutes.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
But who was it. I want to know who it
was and was it via skyper zoom or teams or
does she actually go into a studio, because I guaran
them to you if she went into a studio, even
she lives Let's say she lives in DC and she
went to the CNN headquarters up in DC Northeast. By
the time she took a cab or took the metro
or drove or walked whatever she did, and then they

(19:33):
put makeup on. Then she sat in the green room
for a while. Of course that took more than what
did it take to list the five things. Oh my gosh.
Back to the FBI for a moment. I think what
the cabal is most upset about. Whether it's Ukraine, whether

(19:59):
it is is the Middle East, Israel, whether it's China
and everything going on in the Indo Pacific, whether it's
any number of things domestically, just the recognition that for
the you know, since COVID, by the way, I get
a story coming up in a little bit about COVID. Again, unbelievable.

(20:22):
The fact that for the first time, even more so
than Ronald Reagan. Someone's coming in and is blowing up
the administrative state, what many refer to as the deep state.

(20:42):
And I don't I personally don't have a problem with
the term deep state. I just don't use it because
I think many people think of the deep state as
actually it probably is to some degree some conspiratorial little
thing that conservative right wingers have made up, that they're

(21:03):
all out there to destroy us. Well, indeed, that's probably
what they actually are. But technically it is the administrative state.
It's the bureaucracy. And someone has come in and someone
has said, you know what, We've talked about this for centuries,
and we're not going to talk about anymore. Now we're

(21:25):
going to do something about it. And so I think,
like me personally, I'm pleasantly surprised, a little shocked, and
a little giddy that is actually happening, because we as
a republic could not continue. I've got a story here

(21:47):
that I printed off. Now I realize I've got to
reprint it because it cut half of it off. But
the headline is dead has always been the ruin of
great powers? Is the United States next? And as what
I just said, reminded me of that story, because the
administrative state, the deep state, whatever you want to call it,

(22:10):
was going to be part and Parcela an inherent part
of the destruction of this republic, a fourth branch of government,
a fourth branch of government that, in my opinion, is unconstitutional.
And for the first time, we're starting to break that up,
we're starting to question it. We're asking can you name

(22:30):
us five things you did last last week? You know,
And part of that whole email was just to see
how many people actually responded because and I was asked
by this by a friend at lunch yesterday, are there
really people in the federal government that took a job

(22:52):
and since COVID they just don't show up and don't
do anything. And I said, well, when I was there,
I knew of some people that I've told you the
story of bazillion times about the guy that watched porn
all day long. So if there's a guy watching porn
all day long, he was at least clocking in because
we didn't have a work from home policy at that time.

(23:16):
But now that you know post COVID and you have, oh,
everybody go home, everybody stays six feet away. From each other,
everybody hiding their little corner because you know, the little
virus is going to get you. Well now, I find
it absolutely, unequivocally believable that there are people who have
been on the payroll for god knows how long who

(23:37):
haven't done damn thing. I haven't been back in their office,
their office, you know. They they may have come in
one day and collected all their stuff and they went
back home because no one was checking on them. That's
how huge this bureaucracy is. Now. My office building in
DC was eight stories tall. I don't know with the

(24:00):
square footage of the building was but eight stories and
that's relatively height wise, But for the square footage wise,
it was a relatively small office building compared to some
of the government office buildings that are you know, government built,
you know, like the Department of Interior or the Department
of Value, the Department of Commerce. These are gigantic edifices

(24:21):
built to house all the bureaucracy. Well, even in my
little corner of the world, I would occasionally tell my
schedule or block some time for my walk around. And
she first time I told her that, she said, what
do you mean walk around? What you're leaving the building. No,
I'm going to walk around the building. I'm literally going

(24:43):
to randomly go to you know, start on the seventh
floor the floor. I actually start on the eighth floor,
my own floor. But I'm gonna I'm gonna randomly pick
a floor, and I'm going to spend some time just
walking the hallways and just sticking my head in and
saying hi, you know, hey, my name is Michael Brown.
I'm I'm the director, I'm the undersecretary. Nice to meet you.

(25:05):
What do you do? And people kind of got accustomed
to that. Now. I'm sure some people hated it because, well,
maybe some people hated it because I was disrupting their work.
They were busy. Maybe some people hated it because I
was disrupting their solitaire game. So maybe some people hated
it because they were too busy online shopping or whatever
they were doing. And some people loved it because nobody

(25:27):
ever done that. Before you do that today, you're gonna
have a cavernous empty space again. I forget who it was,
I Department of Labor. Someone was walking around SBA. Is
the SBA person walking around showing one of the television

(25:48):
stations about how look look eighty five ninety percent of
the people that work in this building are not here
today and that's going to change, you know come Monday.
Well good or her, and I would suggest that she
do walk around one. It's a morale builder that, oh
the boss is taking the time to walk around and

(26:09):
kind of find out what you do like I. You know,
anybody ever come to the sixth floor before and walked
around or best of all, go to the fifth floor,
which is where the skiffs were, and you had to
have a special badge to get into the fifth floor.
They never expected to see anybody. And now you're wondering, now, oh,
somebody just badged in. Who is it? Oh my god,

(26:31):
it's the boss. Back to the FBI. This tradition of
the FBI running itself is almost a century old, and
it it was really enshrined by the FBI great whom

(26:54):
the present bureau loves to hate. And that's Jay Edgar Hoover,
the FBI Agents Association, And that's that's their little internal union,
their little internal pressure group that claims to represent more
than ninety percent of the active FBI agents plus former
agents sees or wants a careerist in the position of

(27:16):
deputy director because most often, I can't say this for
every department and agency, but most often, a deputy anything,
a deputy secretary, a deputy director is normally in charge
of day to day operations. They're kind of like a coo. Well,

(27:37):
that's why these agents, the FBI Agents Association wants a
career person in there. They don't want an outsider, because
a careerist would protect the bureau, they would protect the operations,
they would protect everything. Bong Geno's isn't going to do that.

(27:57):
Bongeno's going to go in. I don't think Bongino will
just randomly break things and tear things up. He will
think the things it needs to be. But he's gonna
find out what's working and what's not working, and if
it's not working, he's gonna open the window and toss
it out the window. And whatever that is is gonna
go crashing down on Constitution Avenue and they're gonna be like, oh,

(28:20):
holy crap, but Bonge is up there throwing stuff out
the window. From whom the FBI Agent's Association is protecting
is always left unstated, but obviously whatever and whomever it is,
it's against cash battel and I would say even more broadly,

(28:43):
it's against Donald Trump. So the FBI Agents Association really
wants to protect the FBI from the Attorney General, from
the President, from Cash Battel, from Dan Bongino, from anybody
that might disrupt their little fifetom. This FBI tradition began
in nineteen thirty with Hoover and Clyde Tolson. If you've

(29:07):
ever read any biographies about j Edgar Hoover, and there's
some really good ones out there, you'll read about Clyde Tolson.
His I don't think it's true, but you know, in
some quarters his boyfriend. But I never believe that. And
I even doubt some of the things about Jay Edgar Hoover,

(29:27):
you know, actually dressing up cross dressing. But be that
as it may, it's a material. If you look at
a chronology, it shows that deputy directors as career special
agents were usually among the most controversial and it usually
almost always the most abusive in FBI history. Take Clyde Tolson,

(29:48):
for example. Toulson's controversies were directly rated to Jay Edgar Hoover.
It's it's interesting because Toulson actually accomplished a lot, but
both of them were in power for far too long,
and they operated during that entire period with almost well

(30:09):
virtually no effective oversight whatsoever. Toulson was the FBI's second
in command, the deputy director for almost I think forty years,
forty plus years, and then following Toulson came only two
years of Mark felt. Is that ring a bell? Yes,

(30:30):
he is deep throat, the one who's successfully conspired to
asked Nixon after Nixon's nineteen seventy two landslide election, and
then about five years of calm, followed by no deputy
director at all between nineteen seventy eight and nineteen eighty seven,
and then calm until what happened in nineteen ninety two,

(30:53):
for which the deputy director was later demoted for his
conduct at this event that occurred in nineteen ninety Do
you remember what that was, hey, Michael.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, you're referring to what is known as MBWA managing
by wandering around.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
It's a good thing, it is. It's a great thing,
and not only does it build I think morale, but
it helps you understand exactly what's going on in the
you know, you got three thousand employees and headquarters, you know,
walking around and just you know, randomly sticking your head
in someone's door and asking, hey, how are you my hair?

(31:32):
My name is Michael Brown. Happened to be the undersecret
tell you I stop buying you? How you doing? What
can I do for you? Well? You know, how's your
job going? It's unbelievable what happened nineteen ninety two. The
deputy director was a guy with the name of Potts.
He was demoted for his conduct Ruby Ridge, the Siege

(31:55):
of Ruby Ridge in nineteen ninety two. That fold another
nineteen years of calm and post nine to eleven reorganization
and all this expansion, and then you got Andy McKay
under James Comy in twenty sixteen. Now, since that time
until Paul abates resignation on January twentieth, the deputy director

(32:19):
position has been subject to scandal and turmoil. Before nineteen
seventy one, the second in command that the FBI was
called Associate director. Deputy director became that new title that
year in nineteen seventy one, so we'll use the titles interchangeably.
Clyde Tolson from nineteen thirty to nineteen seventy one, Hoover's

(32:41):
right hand man, special agent before taking the associate director job.
Mark Felt FBI joined the nineteen forty two special agent,
succeeded Toulson in the number two spot under Hoover, and
apparently resentful that President Nixon didn't name him director when
who died. In nineteen seventy two, Felt began leaking to

(33:03):
The Washington Post all the information that they started using
under the cover name Deep Throat, named after a pornographic movie. Obviously,
Felt helped turn two kind of mediocre Washington Post reporters
into superstars and millionaires. He denied any involvement until finally

(33:25):
admitting to it back in two thousand and three. William
Ruggles House deputy direct acting deputy director, be more specific
in nineteen seventy three. He broke the tradition, served as
acting deputy director in nineteen seventy three following Hoover's death.

(33:46):
He was a lawyer, a political appointee. He had no
law enforcement RUFBI experience whatsoever. James Adams deputy director from
nineteen seventy three to nineteen seventy eight. He did have
a career in the FAI began as a special agent.
There was no deputy director between nineteen seventy eight nineteen
eighty seven, it was vacant under director William Webster. Webster

(34:12):
split the position among three non deputy roles, none of which,
is if I recall correctly, were career FBI people. John Otto,
acting deputy director in nineteen eighty seven, was a special agent.
Fully Clark Deputy Director in nineteen eighty nine to nineteen
ninety three, was a special agent. Then Larry Potts, demoted

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in July of nineteen ninety five amid the fallout from
his handling of Ruby Ridge in nineteen ninety two. William
Esposito ninety six to ninety seven, former special agent, Deputy
director from ninety six until his retirement in ninety seven.
Bar Bryan Robert M. Bar Bryant ninety seven to ninety nine.

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He started as a special agent. Thomas put also a
former special agent, nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and one.
Bruce Gabhart, former special agent appointed shortly after the nine
eleven attacks. John Pistol two thousand and four to twenty ten,

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special agent, Timothy Murphy ten to twenty eleven, Sean Joyce,
Mark Giliano, Andy McKay, David Ballage, Paula Bate, Dan Bongino,