3-1-25 Hour 2: General Jack Keane Explains The Ukraine Rare Earth Elements Agreement

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
To night, Michael Brown joins me here the former FEMA
director talk show host Michael Brown. Brownie, no, Brownie, You're
doing a heck of a job.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
The Weekend with Michael Brown. Hey, broadcasting life from Denver, Colorado.
It's the Weekend with Michael Brown. I'm really happy, happy
to have you joining the program today. So two things
to focus on. One as we go through this whole
thing about what blew up in the Oval office yesterday,
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at Michael Brown USA. So the first hour, we've done

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kind of a history lesson to get to where we are.
I want you to think about something that I have
not done. For a full hour. You've not heard one
SoundBite from what occurred yesterday. And there's a reason for that,
because that's not the point. What you're hearing and watching

(01:09):
and seeing on I don't care whether it's Fox News
or CNN or MSNBC or the networks or any podcast
you're listening to, or anything else. If all they're doing
is focusing on what occurred in the Oval Office yesterday,
then they're missing the big picture and they don't get
that what really happened yesterday is a result of a

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historical timeline that goes way back to World War Two
when we were actually allies with Stalin in the Soviet Union.
Too many Americans don't realize that we were allies during
that war against Nazi Germany, against the Axes, and of
course thing you know, there are how many pictures do

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we have of FDR and Stalin and Churchill sitting together?
By the way, you'd find that picture on my X
timeline if you were following me at Michael Brown USA.
And so we'll get to the meeting yesterday. But you
really need this context to understand what you're hearing on

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this from the cabal, because the Cabal has I think two,
maybe three purposes. You may want to sit down when
I tell you this. One they like war, and they
want to see us continue this war. They want to
see Zelenski continue the war. Two, they hate Donald Trump,

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and they want to destroy Donald Trump. And three, they
don't they don't understand that what happened yesterday, not necessarily
in the Oval office, but what happened behind the scenes

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before the blowout accurred, really could lead to World War
III and fundamentally alter our lives and the lives of
millions of people, billions of people all over the world.
And they don't care. They really do not care. So
let me establish a baseline about a couple of things. First,

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I am adamantly opposed to Vladimir Putin's aggression, but I'm
also realistic, and I understand that because of the position
that Trump has been put in, there's not a lot
that we can do. We've been put in this position,

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and now Putin owns doesn't own, he occupies some territory
on the east and southeast of Ukraine. Somebody asked me
to address the fact that there are people asking for
a referendum some of those occupied territories of Ukraine about

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whether or not they could either form their own country
or they could go ahead and join the Russia. I
would caution you to get too deep in the weeds
about that, because while there may be some families in
those occupied territories that really would like, because of their

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family and cultural and historical background, really do feel more
a part of Russia than they do part of Ukraine.
But also the FSB, which is the successor to the KGB,
is operating in those territories on behalf of Putin to

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encourage people or to drive people to ask for those referendums.
So I don't really give them much value in terms
of an organic movement that says we really do want
to peel off and become part of Russia, because I
don't have the information neither do you, of what they're
really doing with those people in that occupied territory. So

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there you, of course the cabal will report that, oh, yeah,
they're they're wanting a referendum because they want they want
to see where they want to go, and that may
or may not be true. But until I have more
data about it, I'm not going to I'm not going
to take a position one way or the other. But
my position is that I am opposed to Russia's aggression,
and I do believe that that aggression presents a threat

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to rut to Western to Europe, Eastern Europe, and much
to all of Europe, but for too long. I love Europe,
I love traveling through Europe. I have friends in Europe.
I've given speeches all over Europe, I've traveled. Europe is
a wonderful place to visit. I wouldn't want to live

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there unless it was for a short term. But the
European have been so hell bent on pursuing a socialist
welfare agenda, trying to create a socialist utopia, including things
like green new energy, that they've decimated their societies. They

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have decimated their economies, and they expect us to pick
up the tab and I'm not willing to do that.
I'll address more of that in a minute, but I
want to go to if I support, if I am
opposed to Vladimir Putin's aggression and I want to see

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it stopped, well, I would have stopped at the very beginning,
because now I'm in a position that all I can
tell you is I'm opposed to his aggression that I'm
also opposed to putting American boots on the ground. So
what do you want to do? Well? The option is
the Europeans can step up more and they can provide

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more armaments, ammunition, whatever it's needed. But of course they
don't have it. They've got some, but they weaken themselves
when they do so. And unless you commit, and I
mean commit. You know, people often describe a chicken has chick.
A chicken is involved in breakfast, but a hog, a pig,

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is committed to breakfast because the hog gives up itself
so that you and I can have bacon in sausage
or pork chops. The hen just lays the eggs and
goes on to live another day. So we have to
We have to decide, and should have decided long before.
Are we Are we willing to do what it needs

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to be done to stop this aggression to push him
out of Ukraine? I can tell you that if that
decision had been made, say back in twenty fourteen, it
would have been entirely different. If we had done something
militarily in twenty fourteen under Obama, I don't think we

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would be experiencing what we are experiencing today, and the
Europeans would have been in a little better position than
they are today, both economically and militarily to have pushed
them out of Crimea. But we didn't do it because
Obama was an a peaser. So now I have to
live with that reality. I can't change I can't change
what's been done. And then Biden comes along and just

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opens a check book and says whatever it takes. And
so now we've got a war of attrition. We no
longer have a war, but we have a war of attrition.
And it's important to understand the difference because now we're
fighting for inches, we're fighting for meters, and so the
only way to win that is to commit to push

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them out of Ukraine, the Russians out of Ukraine. Do
you want American soldiers on the ground dying to do that?
Or as I said at the end of the last hour,
do you want to mediate and reach an agreement with Putin?

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Which brings me to the point about Trump being a mediator,
because that's going to get to the heart of what
happened yesterday, Texas word Michael, Michael to this number three
three one zero three. You need to be following me
on x at Michael Brown USA. What does it mean
to be a mediator? Next? Hey, welcome back to the

(09:39):
Weekend of Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me.
So I said, Trump's become a mediator, But how did
Trump become a mediator. And what does that mean. Well,
following Russia's invasion of Ukraine in twenty twenty two, the West,
and by the West, I mean both our European allies
and the United States of America American taxpayers. We poured

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billions of dollars of military aid and weapons, thinking that
that could save Ukraine. But it didn't. And I'm not
going to go down that rabbit hole about why it
did or did not. I do believe very sincerely that
when you just give an opening checkbook and you don't say, look,

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let's sit down, Zelensky, You're going to sit down with
our military leaders, the UK, the NATO leaders at large,
all of them, and we're going to develop a strategy,
and then we're going to apply resources to that strategy
so that you can win. But we didn't do that,

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and I can't change that. The American people voted the
doting old fool in and that's what he did. He
told Zelenski, will give you whatever it takes, for as
long as it takes. Well, that's not a strategy. That's
like giving your daughter your that's like giving your sixteen
or eighteen year old daughter. The American Express card and
saying have fun, honey, And then when she starts spending

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billions of dollars and you realize, oh, holy crap, I've
created a monster. Now what do you do. Well, you
cut the credit card in half, you demand the return
of the credit card. And of course, what does your
daughter do when you demand the credit card back? She
throws a little hissy fit, which is exactly what that
little b word did in the Oval office. He threw
a hissy fit. And I think I know why too.

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We'll get to that in a minute. But we gave
him the credit card, we gave him the American Express card,
and it didn't save Ukraine. So now Donald Trump is
pursuing the path that all of his predecessors, going all
the way back to Clinton, all wilfully ignored diplomacy. Diplomacy.

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When I was in college studying political science, there was
a tech book we had and the name of the
textbook was Diplomacy. It's the most fascinating book, I think,
one of the most fascinating books I've ever read, because
it talked about the intricacies of diplomacy and how you
have to understand the long gain and as you pursue

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the long gain that you're going to come up on
all these little you know, speed bumps and potholes and
everything else. But you've got to keep the eye on
that ultimate goal while you work your way around all
the little speed bumps and potholes. So Trump's pursuing diplomacy
and he becomes the mediator. But is Zelensky made clear

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during that very public altercation with Trump in dvance in
the Oval Office, piece is not on the table. Diplomacy
is not on the table yet. Victor Davis Hansen points
this out pretty clearly.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Donald Trump is incurring a lot of criticism on the
Ukrainian War. Some things the last week that got people
very angry. He said that Zelensky was a dictator and
that he had quote should have stopped the war and
never started it. We know that Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine.
So why did Donald come say that. Well, of course
he doesn't believe that Zelensky started the war, because he

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has campaigned on the following narrative under George Bush in
two thousand and eight, Russia invaded under the Obama administration,
they invaded under Joe Biden, they tried to take Kya. However,
of the last four administration. There was one in which
they did not This war has been going on for
three years. Everybody was going to pour weapons in save Ukraine.
We did.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Guess what, it didn't work.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
This war was on the border of Europe. They said
they were going to invest two percent of their GDP
as NATO powers in defense. They didn't do it. We
have outfunded all of them. We will want some compensation.
Will come in and have a concession with you, a
business deal. But more importantly, there's a subtext to this.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
If you invite.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
American business in to Ukraine to help rebuild it and
a profit, you're going to have Americans there and Putin
will be less eager to attack you. If you understands
there's a thriving American concession. Vlatimer Putin knows that if
Donald Trump ends this.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Blood bath, all of this rhetoric, all of this hysteria
will cease, and he will be a hero, both in
Europe and the United States and in Ukraine and Russia.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Bingo, But wait a minute. I mean, I agree with
everything that Victor Davis Hansen just said, But if you're
a mediator, what does that mean. Here's where I think
Zelensky is both an idiot and he's being played by Democrats,

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some Republicans, and in particular people like Victoria Newland and
the old Obama National Security State Department cabal. To be
a mediator, I've been a mediator. I've been involved in arbitrations,

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both as a mediator and as as a party to
an arbitration. A mediator doesn't take either side. A mediator
stays neutral and says, my job is to resolve the conflict.
So when Zelensky gets upset, well, you're you're you're you're
favoring Putin. No, Trump's not favoring Putin at all. Not

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in the least. He does brag about his relationship with Putin.
He doesn't have a very good relationship with Zelensky. But
I'm not so certain that that's Trump's fault. But he's
not favoring Putin at all, because the minute he favors Putin,
he loses all power of negotiations, he loses any confidence

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that the Ukrainian people and and think, you know, stop
thinking about Zelensky, think beyond him, and think think about
his cabinet, think about his people, think about the businesses,
think about the country, itself. Zelenski is just the front
face of all of that. So if you want to

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save Ukrainians, but you know that you're in a position
where everything that we've done militarily has failed. Now you've
got to you've got to do we didn't in North
and South Korea. You've got to mediate an armistice. And
I know, don't get me wrong, I understand that Putin
has been known to violate those before. Look at the
Budapest Memorandum, you know, look at what we've done around

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the world. We intervened in Iraq, we intervened in Afghanistan.
So we don't have any cleaner hands. I'm not saying
we're the same as Putin. We always you know, we
don't try to occupy territory. But nobody in the world
has clean hands. The world's a really ugly placed when

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it comes to this kind of stuff. Borders are always
being fought over, culture, societies, everything are always being fought
the powerful versus the weak, the strong versus the weak. Well,
Trump recognizes that, and Trump says, I'm going to mediate
an end to this deal. And he comes up with

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this idea that in terms of the rare earth elements
that are there, that that is one tiny little thing
that he can use to say to the Ukrainians. Guess
what that will act as? How many times did you
hear yesterday the phrase a security guarantee, A security guarantee. Well,

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to Victor Davis Hanson's point, if we have businesses and
business people and excavators and miners and manufacturers in Ukraine,
putin will hands off because he doesn't want to confront
confrontation with us at all. So the Weekend with Michael Brown,
hang tight, I'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Tonight. Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA director
of talk show host Michael Brown.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Brownie, No, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job
the Weekend with Michael Brown. Hey, you're listening to the
Weekend with Michael Brown. Michael Brown, and I'm really glad
that you are. The text line numbers three three, one
zero three keyword Mike or Michael follow me on exit
at Michael Brown USA. So, before I get into some
of the details about the agreement that was on the

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table yesterday, the agreement had been approved by the Ukrainian cabinet,
Zelenski himself had not signed it. Everything was set up
so that they would have the Let me explain real quickly,
and the reason I'm doing this is there are a
couple of text messages. Forty three eighty four says Michael

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Trump lost a lot of US base after yesterday. Well,
if he did, it's because that base is being stupid
and I and I mean that unfortunately. Sincerely, sixty eight
oh eight wrote Michael, I've got a family gathering tomorrow
with a bunch of Italian stubborn libs. I need you

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to know how to shut them down about yesterday's Oval
Office meeting. It's taken me three hours to walk through
everything historically, and I'm about to give you the details
of what was going on. So I don't know how
to I can't tell you how in a family meeting
to convince them. Forty three eighty four, Michael, I've lost
a lot of respect for Trump for how he treated Zelensky. Seriously,

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how about the way Zelensky treated Trump and JD. Vance?
Because this tells me if you've lost a lot of
respect for how Trump treated Zelensky, then you haven't watched
the full fifty plus minute video. You didn't see the
eye rolls, you didn't see the disrespect. You didn't see
how he I think between I think he let me

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just cut to the chase Zelensky met, and I'll go
through an entire timeline with Senate Democrats that I believe
convinced Zelensky to walk in and somehow blow up this deal.
I think Zelensky intentionally blew this up, and he did

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so on behalf of the warmongers that are the Democrat Party.
At least Lindsey Graham, the Republican from South Carolina, had
the wherewithal to understand, whoops, this was a big f you.
Now I've got to pivot and switch around and come
down on Zelensky. So if you lost a lot of
respect from Trump because the way he treated Zelensky, then

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you're honestly not paying any attention. And the reason I
say that, the reason I'm pretty harsh about it, is
because what Zelensky did was absolutely unfathomable to me. This
was not a setup on Trump's part. Here's how these
things work out. So you when someone when a dignitary,
first arrives at the at the White House, they're escorted

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into the west I'm sorry, into the East wing, and
they walk down a large hallway to go to the
West Wing, and they meet in the Oval Office. They
get everybody situated. Then they bring the press in for
a press conference, and it's a certain number of people
they line up in front of so they're sitting in
the the on the couches, in the chairs that are

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in front of the fireplace. Those chairs are actually facing
out the back of the Oval Office, the Oval windows,
the drapes, the curtains, the resolute desk. The press is
brought in to stand in front of the resolute desk
and between the desk and the couches and the chairs
for the staffers and for the people like the National

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Security Advisor, the Secretary of State than everyone else, and
so they're just stuck in a sometimes a single line,
sometimes a double line, but very few of them get
in there, and they're allowed to ask questions. So it
was during the period that they were allowed to ask
questions that Zelensky decided that he was going to start

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the implosion. They had not even had the private conversations yet.
They were going off probably to the Roosevelt Room to
have those conversations, and then they had a room set
up probably the east in the East wing, the East
room where they would have a big signing ceremony. They
were all the White House was all prepared for this

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because they had they had heard that, yes, the Zelensky
cabinet has approved the rare Earth's element agreement. He's coming in.
We'll have a photo op, we'll go off, we'll talk
about the details, and then we'll go to the East
wing and we'll have a signing ceremony and we'll have
all the pictures of sitting there and sending the message

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to Putin that we're in business together. I'm mediating a
deal with Zelensky to mine rare earth elements and Putin.
I'll come and talk to you next, but we've solidified
our business deal with the Ukrainians. It's a brilliant move.

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When you say guber number forty three eighty four. Reporter
who asked why Zelensky didn't wear a suit rude. None
of his business. Yes, it is his business. Of course,
it's his business when leaders show up, when presidents of
country show up, even in wartime, they dressed the part.

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Churchill didn't show up wearing a uniform. Even Stalin dressed appropriately.
Prime Minister of India wore the garb appropriate for his
station in life as the Prime Minister of India. Motive
dressed appropriately, as says every other leader save Zelensky. So

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it's not it wouldn't be unnatural for a reporter to
ask that question. In fact, I think it's a very
legitimate question. You're meeting with the President of the United
States of American. You couldn't You couldn't have put a
suit and tie on to show respect to the office.
Whether you hate Trump or not show respect to the office.
What would you think if Donald Trump goes to the

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state dinner to meet King Charles and he's wearing Bermuda
shorts and Hawaiian shirt and flip flops, you'd be aghast.
I just don't. I don't believe that you actually had
a lot of respect for Trump to begin with. The

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the thing with all of this blow up is that
when this press conference started, Zelensky was rolling his eyes.
His body language was horrible, to where the point finally JD.
Vance spoke up and said, could you just show a
little respect to the President because we're here trying to

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help you save your country, And that's when it began
to fall apart. But before we get to the drama
of that, because it is drama. I want you to
hear from General Jack Keene, who is a retired general.
He is and a strategic a security analyst for Fox News.

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He's the chairman of the Institute for the Study of War.
He's a brilliant military strategist, and he was on Fox
News yesterday and it's a ten minute clip. We won't
listen to all of it, but he makes some very
important points.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Army now chairman of the Endity for the Study of
War and Fox News senior strategic analyst and one of
the best people to talk to who has really studied
and watched every moment of the development of this war.
So General, it's very good to have you with us.
What's your reaction to what happened today?

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, Well, first of all, let me say I associate
myself with Secretary of Pompeo's comments and I just add
a couple of thoughts. Number One, no president has ever
experienced what's the Lenski's experience three years of war in
his country. He's attacked by the most powerful country in Europe,

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has a muss lage and military he outguns the Ukrainians,
and he's watched their people suffer on a regular basis.
He always goes to the front, you know, to help
his troops in terms of their spirit him around. But
it's got to take a toll on him to see
the suffering has taken place among his people. The only
president comes close to that is Abraham Lincoln due to
a civil war. That is one thing. The second thing is,

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I mean he should have understood going into the Oval
Office today that when the cameras are on, the reporters
are going to try to provoke division, particularly the body
of reporters that we know are in the White House
that are anti Trump. They want to try to accentuate
that division in front of the American people. So provocative

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questions are going to be asked, and the only answer
to the question should be, from Zelenski's point, thank you,
miss the President, Thank you America. I'm going to work
with you to achieve a peaceful end to this war. Period.
He must say that five six, seven times in different words,
and stay away from anything that smacks of controversy that

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would divide them. He fell into that trap and likely
write beliefs the surface. He obviously has some disagreements with
the President. His team and that is to be expected,
but not in the Oval Office. That is done privately,
as anybody has said today. The second thing is what
the last snippet talked about. Zelensky likely doesn't see this deal,

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the minerial deal, in the same like that President Trump does.
He sees it as a huge strategic deal that connects
the United States to Ukraine for a generation at least.
It's going to take years of exploration and mining to
get all of that out where it's monetized properly. He
knows all of that, but it connects him economically to Ukraine,

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politically to Ukraine, and all the implications in terms of
security and military to Ukraine. But Trump does not want
to go there. On the third thing, prior to negotiations,
he knows full well that given the investment the United
States is going to make, that he will do what's
necessary to protect it. But prior to negotiations with Putin,

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he's not laying that stuff out on a table. Well,
I'm stunned that Zelenski doesn't have an appreciation for who
he's dealing with, that he has been briefed in the
kind of details that he really has to have. What
Zelenski wants is a strategic partnership with Trump Martha, where
they're working together to deal with Putin and what the

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President is doing, he is facilitating these negotiations. Zelensky doesn't
like that. He wants a partnership. But President Trump believes
if he's going to have any progress with Putin, he
can't publicly sign up with Zelensky to achieve that. He
puts a lot of faith in personal diplomacy that exceeds

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most presidents I've seen, going all the way back to
Franklin Delana Roosevelt. So that I think is some of
the divide that's here, and it's really unfortunate that this
blows up in the media. Certainly, I don't think it's
the lost opportunity that we're feeling right now. Why because listen,

(30:04):
it is in the US national interest to end this
war and to stop Putin in his tracks.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Bingo. Now, when we get back, General King goes on
to explain why this agreement does precisely that the problem
is Zelenski just doesn't comprehend it. In fact, it's my
belief that Zelensky's lack of fluency in English. He speaks English,

(30:35):
but it's halting English. When Trump said you don't hold
the cards and Zelensky's reply is, we're not playing cards,
there was a huge sign to me that he didn't
even understand what the analogy was about. He doesn't understand
the long game, he doesn't understand the negotiation process. He
doesn't understand that what Trump's doing is handing him this

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very security agreements that he wants. It's just not troops
on the ground, which he's not going to get. I'll
be right back. Hey, welcome back to the Weekend with
Michael Brown. So one of my local listeners, Alexa, just
sent me a post on X which I just reposted.

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So for those of you are looking for kind of
a summary of what I've been working through, go look
at my latest post on X and you'll see what
I considered to be a fairly good summary of what
happened yesterday. But I want to go back because I
want you to hear everything that General King said yesterday,
because here's a guy who has all the bona fides

(31:42):
that you need. He clearly understands what Trump is up to,
and I would put him in that category of probably
someone that you know in general probably doesn't really like Trump.
All that much, but understands the diplomatic, the diplomacy, the
three D check us that Trump is trying to play

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to end the war. Isn't that the objective? I thought
that was the objective, And now we remind everybody this
is what we said we wanted. It's kind of like
you you say you want something, and then when it
starts happening, you realize, oh, that's not as pretty as
I thought it was going to be. Yeah, well that's

(32:22):
what you wanted and that's what you're getting. But listen
closely what he says.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Next, things he's supposed to do, and hopefully they get
a plan together here to recover the relationship and let's
get on with signing the deal. Trump is right, it
is a strategic step in the right direction. As Lenscape
probably sees it more as a financial thing in the
United States, trying to get paidback in money, he's missing

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the whole point there.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
The whole point is not finance. It's to give us
a vested interest in Ukraine so that we can have companies, businesses,
business people, we can have workers, miners, I mean, everything
you can possibly imagine going on that deals with rare
earth elements, and you put all of those companies and

(33:12):
all their employees in there, putin knows not to touch
Ukraine anymore than if much like if we've got manufacturing
facilities in Taiwan or Japan or South Korea. We'll defend that.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
Yeah, it's clear, And you put it perfectly that President
Trump sees this as an economic prosperity solution for Ukraine
that puts them on a footing where they can start
to mine some of these resources, get people back to work,
get off of the wartime footing, and try to rebuild

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the country with the United States invested in the country
as its own form of security guarantee. And as you say,
and it reminds me of what we heard about the
blow up that apparently happened between Scott Bessant and Zelenski
when the deal was presented to him in the beginning,

(34:13):
my country is not for sale. So it feels like
President Zelenski is looking at this from a very different perspective. Granted,
as you laid out perfectly, General, his country was invaded
and destroyed, as Vice President Pence said, and there's a
lot of pain there, which I think everybody understands. But

(34:33):
let's pull up this image which we just got from
the other side of the room here and the women.
We're told that the woman who you see with her
hand at her head is the ambassador of Ukraine. As
this is unfolding, and I got to believe when I
would imagine when Zelenski got into the back of that car,
General He's thinking, oh, man, I just completely blew that.

(34:56):
That was a big That was a big mistake. But
I think it can be rectified. And I think it's
interesting back in twenty nineteen, when the President walked out
of a deal that they were working on with North Korea,
Trump said, sometimes you have to walk. And I think

(35:16):
that's a bit of what we saw today in terms
of the deal structure and what he hopes will eventually
end in the deal here.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, well, that possibility certainly is there. I mean, even
in the deal itself, it talks about a secure Ukraine
going forward, economically viable, an independent, sovereign Ukraine. That's in
the words of the mineral deal. And I know for
a fact that President Trump has plans that he's not

(35:49):
stating publicly that are going to help along those lines.
You know, he is neutral in trying to get a
peace agreement, but he clearly sees the benefit of a stable,
secure Ukraine and stopping Russia and its tracts now so
it doesn't expand into Europe, particularly obviously in Eastern Europe.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
So think about that. Here's General Keane pointing out that
Trump understands exactly what he's doing, and he has other
things that the General says he knows of. I'm sure
from his insiders that Trump plans to do once he
gets the economic deal done, that will strengthen Ukraine even more,
which will push Putin even further away. But he can't

(36:33):
disclose that now because, as I said, he's the mediator.
This is not the disaster that everyone makes it out
to be. It's just that it blew up in public.
And whose fault is that? It's not Donald Trump's, it's
Vladimir Volodimore Zelensky's. I'll be right back