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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Michael and Dragon. It's Monday morning.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
So I couldn't help it, but could you tell me
what a puttent pupet might be? Have a great Monday, Michael,
Did you just say a putt puopet? I must have.
I've got plenty of texts about it.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I love the fact that you've been doing a history
lesson for two hours, explaining everything in great detail. But
they get sucked into putt and poopet.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, and I you know who knows, I probably did
say it.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
He did it caught my ear too, and I'm like,
you know, he just transposts those It's no big deal, okay,
all right, But other people they're not so kind. They
will happily point it out.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
They will, they will happily and gladly point it out.
Before we go back to the history, let's go to
General Jack Keane, who is the chairman of the Instry
for the Study of War. He's a Fox News contributor.
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He's very well connected.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
He has.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
He has people that talk to him inside the d
D all the time, primarily because he's a great resource
for strategy tactics. He's well the Institute for the Study
of War. He's been on several times, but he caught
my ear over the weekend when he was on Fox
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AND's Friend, Fox and Friend's Weekend when he said.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
This generals deal after being kicked out of the White
House on Friday, but with the agreement in limbo, how
long can his country realistically battle Russia without US support?
Fox News Senior strategic analyst retired for Star General Jack
Keane joins US now. General Kan, thank you so much
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for joining us this morning. Extraordinary, extraordinary meeting that we
saw on Friday. You've probably been on the inside of
some meetings like that in your past, but you know,
I had never seen anything quite like it break down
for us. Kind of what you saw happening in that.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Meeting, well, I think we have a lot more knowledge
about it now than we had initially. What we saw
during the press conference was calculated by President Zelenski and
his Chief of Staff Ermok. There was a twenty minute
Bylack before that whether these grievances that he laid out
in some detail were not discussed at that meeting, And
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that tells you something, because that's where it is appropriate
to have grievances and disagreements. He made his case during
the press conference, So what's going on there?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
They could.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
They calculated that they were going to take their case
to the American people, and as a result of that
put pressure on Putin to move him towards his position.
So what you can see it, and I watched it
three times now to verify it was that true or not,
and it is true.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You can see it.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
He started with the tortured soldiers, and he made the
case that Putin is evil. He also kidnapped thousands of
Ukrainian children, and obviously Putin is evil. And then he
looked for opportunities to talk. He wasn't being asked questions
like the president was, so he spoke after the president's questions,
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and he took the floor himself, just aggressively, and he
luxured the presidents about how Putin can't be trusted. Look
at the evidence, twenty five cease fires that he's violated,
and he violated one when you were president. President said, no,
that didn't happen, as lens He said, yes, it did
during twenty sixteen. And the President stopped looking at Lenski
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at that point and looked at the floor, and then
he debated the vice president. When the vice president was
trying to say, you know, you haven't thanked this at
all during this meeting. And here we got a president
who's trying to achieve a diplomatic solution here and then
he challenges him by saying, j D, what kind of
a diplomatic solution, And he goes on the offense again
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to make his point not so much to j D,
to the President, but to the American people. So the
purpose of the meeting vy Zelensky was completely different than
the purpose of that press conference by the President.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
They came in.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Zelensky was told this, this isn't going to take all
that long. This is about celebrating the deal. Were about
the sign and telling the American people why this is
good for Ukraine and why this is good also for
the United States and the American people. That's what the
administration had in mind. Zelensky had something completely different in mind,
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and that's why he pursued it. The administration knows this,
and that's why they're frustrated, not so much what he said,
but where he said it and when he said it,
and he was what he was trying to do to
manipulate the American people.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Absolutely fascinating. General Key do you think that he was
not expecting for there to be blowback? And do you
think did he actually accomplish what he had hoped to accomplish.
It seems like it kind of blew up in his
face a little bit.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Well, it absolutely blew up in his face because obviously
the administration wasn't going to sit there and take it.
And President Trump, I mean, he was hosting the press conference.
He could have cut it off at any time. He
knew full well Zelenski was lecturing him, but he went
point and counterpoint with him because he wasn't going to
let him get away with that. And obviously, is Zelenski's
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popularity at home at least immediately has gone up because
he has stood up to an American president, and the Europeans,
at least publicly, are supporting him. Privately, I think they're
telling him, in no uncertain terms, reconciled with President Trump.
Reconcile with President Trump. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Of course, the European leaders are telling them that because
this was the deal. Now, I hadn't thought about this,
I'd mentioned earlier. I only have anecdotal evidence about why
we were having a press conference. Well, King, I'd forgotten
that Keen made this point, and that was they had
had a bilateral meeting to begin with, and the bilateral
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meeting was to go through talk about everything they needed
to talk about. Then they were going to have the
signing ceremony, and then they were going to have a
press conference. So it was a bilateral meeting, short press conference,
go sign the deal, have lunch, and have another press conference,
another photo op. It was all laid out. Zelensky hijacked
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the meeting. And this is where I want to do
two things here. First, let's listen to the hijack, and
then let's think about the history again. I you may
not have liked history in school, but I promise you
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you've got to understand this history to understand what it
is that Trump is trying to accomplish. He is not
a Putin puppet, or a puppet Putin or whatever the
hell I said earlier. He's neither one of those things.
He's trying to mediate an agreement between two intractable sides, Zelensky,
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who will not move. He thought he had him moving
a little bit. And why would you start with Zelenski
because Zelensky is ostensibly on our side. So it's it's
much like you know in a in a criminal case,
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the prosecution goes first. Well, we're the ones that are
helping him prosecute this war, and so we're going to
go first. So he starts first with this economic agreement
about the rare earth elements.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to
end the destruction of your country.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
But if you have President President with.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to come into
the Oval Office to try to litigate this in front
of the American media. Right now, you guys are going
around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you
have manpower problems. You should be thanking the president for
everybody to bring it into this com into your training
that you say what problems we have.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I have been to come.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
I've actually I've actually watched and seen the stories, and
I know what happens is you bring people, you bring.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Them on a propaganda tour.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Mister President, are do you disagree that you've had problems
with bringing people into your military and do you think
that I respect as to come to the Oval Office
of the United States of America and attack the administration
that is trying to trying to prevent the destruction of
your Loto questions.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And that's stuff from the BIGGI short fist wall ing
the war.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Everybody has problems, even you, but you have ni SoC
and don't feel now, but you will feel it.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
That was a tactical error right there. You've got a great,
big ocean. But if you don't do what I want,
Russia is going to come for you and you're gonna
have problems here. That's where Trump first loses it.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
You don't know that, God bless you're not blessed.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
You don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You gotta work.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Don't tell us what we're gonna feel. We're trying to
solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're gonna feel.
I'm not telling you because you're in no position to
dictate that.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Remember this, you know you're in.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
No position to dictate what we're gonna feel. We're gonna
feel very.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Good, feel influenced.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
We're gonna feel very good and very strong.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It'll feel influenced.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
You're right now, not in a very good position. You've
allowed you to be in a beginning that examples to
be right about from the very beginning of the war.
Not in a good position. You don't have the cards
right now with us, you start having cards now.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
See here's where I mentioned on Saturday. One of the
failures here was Zelensky has good but not so good English.
He needed an interpreter because Trump's that's a that's a
well used American idiom. You don't hold You don't hold
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the cards here, we hold the cards. We're not playing cards.
He he's so intent. Zelensky is on making his appeal
as General King says to the American people that he's
not paying attention to what's being said, nor is he
paying attention to how it's being said. He's not looking
at the body language. He's not looking at the posture.
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Trump has his feet flat on the ground, his hands
his fingers together, pointing downward, leaning forward. It's a it's
a total power position. Zelenski's got his arms cloth crossed.
Now he's kind of leaning in a little bit toward Trump,
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but he uncrosses his arms and puts them in his lap,
cuts his hands together, a sure sign of weakness. He
knows that he's weak, but well subconsciously he knows that
he's weak, but he won't let it go.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
You're gambling with the lives of millions of people seeing
you're gambling with World War three. You're gambling with World
War three, and what you're doing is very disrespectful to
the country, this country.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
To me, this, this is really important. Trump doesn't say
you're being disrespectful to me, which Zelenski is. You're being
disrespectful to this country. You're being disrespectful to the people
that I present. It goes right over Zelenski's head. War three.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Well, gambling with World War three and what you're doing
is very disrespectful to the country, this country. Far more
than a lot of people said they should have.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
You said thank you once times.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
You said you went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the
opposition in October, all.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
For some words.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I'm sorry you think what arguably I think jd right there,
mister Vice President, that's very petty. You haven't said thank
you once this meeting. Yeah, the dude has said thank
you a number of times prior in the prior administration,
and every time he's gotten any money from us, he
said thank you. But for Vice President jad Advance to
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sit there and go.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You haven't said thank you this meeting. I was like, Dick, Yeah, no,
I think it's I think it's petty too, but I
understand that the heat of the moment, because at this point,
everybody's heartbeat has doubled. Everybody's blood pressure is probably about
one sixty over one ten at this point, and everybody's
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ready to just I think, choking to death. And the
other thing that he does right here is he refers
to the Vice President in the Oval office as JD.
It was I mean, we joked about calling Bush the
boss behind his back. We would never refer to the
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president as the boss, even though it's a term of endearment.
We would never do that.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Appreciation from the United States of America and the president
who's trying to save your country.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And I think JD, the Vice President, does make a
good point there, and that is this guy's trying to
save your country. Now, Trump was right, Zelenski has never
had the cards't He isn't some brave leader calling the shots.
He's a desperate man cleaned to power. It's a collapsing
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regime is propped up by Western money, Western weapons, and
Western propaganda for that matter. And with Ukraine losing the
pr War and the real war, he's beginning to panic.
Ukraine was not an independent actor in this war. As
I pointed out in that last hour, the real power
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brokers are in Washington, Brussels, in London, and they're playing
geopolitical games. This war was engineered to weaken Russia. And
to understand that, you need to understand the history that
they the kabal will never tell you. Nobody told you
this history. Ukraine and Russia had been bound together for
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more than a thousand years. Kiev, Ukraine's capital, wants the
heart is something called Kevin. Russ the first great Slavic state,
laid the foundations for Russia itself. Ukraine's very name means borderland,
which means the borderland of Russia. For centuries, Ukraine was
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an integral part of the Russian Empire. It wasn't some
oppressed nation. Even during the Soviet era, Ukraine wasn't occupied.
It was central to the USSR. Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev
was Ukrainian. So when the USSR collapsed, Ukraine became independent
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and Washington stepped in not to help Ukraine, but to
weaponize Ukraine against Russia. Now do I blame us for
doing that? Absolutely not. If if you've got a breakaway country,
now should we have understood more about the Dombas region
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and the strategic importance of Crimea. Absolutely, but we didn't
because we're damn Americans and we just step in and
we see an opportunity and we grab it. I don't
think it's anything wrong with that. I just think we
failed to understand the geopolitical relationship between Russia and Ukraine.
The United States and NATO lied to Gorbachev, they lied
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to Yeltsin, promising they would never expand one inch eastward.
What do we do? We moved into Poland, we moved
into the Baltic States. Ukraine was the ultimate NATO prize.
So what we do the West? NATO, all the European countries.
We poured billions in Ukraine. We funded pro NATO political groups,
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We funded through USAID all these NGOs, and for that matter,
we funded the media in order to manufacture an anti
Russian state. And in two thousand and four, as I said,
in the last hour, the CIA, Victoria Newland, John McCain,
Amy Klobashar, who am I leaving out? Lindsey Graham, they
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all backed the Orange Revolution, overturning an election that favored
a pro Russian Canada. In order to favor that was
favoring at pro Russian candidate. But the real coup occurred
in twenty fourteen, and that's when the real aggression began. Now,
am I saying that Putin didn't invade Ukraine. No, I'm
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just saying that it really didn't happen in February of
twenty twenty two. It happened back in twenty fourteen, and
that's when Ukraine's democratically elected president, Viktor Yanukovich rejected an
EU trade deal that would have destroyed Ukraine's economy. That's
what we were trying to do, and that was unacceptable
to Washington, so they removed him via this manufactured color revolution.
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The mainden revolution was in the grassroots movement. It was
a c I backed coup pocus right by officials like
Victoria Newdland.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
You know, the best thing about the Putt and Poopet
thing is they all missed Saturday's Muppet Master.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
You're talking about Claus Schwab. You're talking about here Stormy,
You're talking about Emmanuel Macron. You're talking about Queen Ursula,
whatever name is the head of the European Union Council.
Which which one are you talking about there's a lot
of there's a lot of puppet masters in this stupid game.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
That's me, he said, muppet, oh master, I'm assuming that you,
at some point on Saturday had said instead of puppet.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Master, you said nothing.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Master.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Could have imagine me doing that.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
The things people glomb onto rather than the the actual
hard hitting topics that you bring up. No, no, no,
putt and poopet no.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I know which is which is fine. It's fantastic and
I think it's hilarious. So let's go back. The real
coup occurred in twenty fourteen. Ukraine's democratically elected president, Victor
Yankovich rejected an EU trade deal that would have destroyed
Ukraine's economy, and so that that pissed off Washington, who
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was president. Oh yeah, Bama and Biden. Yeah, So they
removed him via this manufactured color Revolution, the Maiden Revolution.
He wasn't a grassroots movement. It was a CI backed
coup and it was orchestrated by people like Victoria Newlin
and John McCain and Lindsey Graham and all the rest
of them. So brazen was Washington in that coup that
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Newlan was even caught, as you heard earlier on that
leaked call hand picking Ukraine's next leader, even before you
knew Keovich was even gone. Now, the violent mobs that
took over Kiev not peaceful protesters. They weren't even mostly
peaceful protesters. They were led by a neo Nazi group,
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the Isov Battalion. If you do an AI search, you'll
find that while they haven't explicitly denied their Nazi ties,
you'll also find that, oh, we actually have been funding
some of them. Groups that everything from what I can tell,
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openly celebrate Nazi collaborators and wear SS and signal on
their uniforms. Those same groups received Western weapons. The post
coup regime then banned the Russian language. Why is that
important to note, because that directly attacked millions of Russian
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speaking Ukrainians in the east, in the Dombass region. That's
when Dombast and Crimea said enough is enough. Crimea held
a referendum. Over ninety percent of those people voted return
to Russia. The Dombas they actually voted for independence. They
just wanted independence. The people of Dombas rejected Kiv but
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Kiev wouldn't let them go, so instead they launched a
brutal war on their own people. They shelled civilians for
eight years, and of course Americans were to it. You know,
we were too distracted by whatever the kabal was trying
to tell us. We weren't paying the attention to it.
Where was the Western outrage then, I mean, where where? Nowhere?
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The only place I could find was at the start
of a CNN story back from twenty fifteen that kind
of alluded to it.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Gret Karashenko will have a hard time winning back hearts
and minds in this city. As the people of Donyevsk
sweep up the debris of their homes and livelihoods, they
are hardened against the president they say is killing his
own people. We are Ukrainian, but they kill us. This
man says, so we probably need our own country because
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these people in Kiev they are not brothers for us.
The shells hit these homes days ago, but the tears
are still fresh.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Auch we live on the ground.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It's so hard for two weeks, especially for twenty seven nine,
but only to day.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's quiet is a story.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
Two people were killed outside this block of flats last Wednesday.
One of them was a fifty year old woman. The
other thirty four year old woman, her husband, who won't
talk to us, he says he's in shock, managed to
make it down to the cellar with their little child,
but she just didn't.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Have the time.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
And this is a story that repeats itself over and
over in dozens of apartment blocks, with civilians being killed
by the constant shelling around Donietsk.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Now, let's not ignore this. And again, this doesn't make
me a puppet of Putin. This doesn't make you cannot
conclude from what I'm about to say that I support
Vladimir Putin. It does support that I understand Vladimir Putin. Now,
think about what you've just heard. You've heard that the
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people of the Dombas region, which Russia currently occupies, rejected Kiev.
So Kiev starts in for eight solid years, just bombs
the crap out of them, trying to force them back
into the country they voted for independence. So when Russia
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makes its move in February of twenty twenty two, what
part of what part of Ukraine they can't get Kiev?
But what part do they get at the Dombass region? Why?
I wonder why? Perhaps it's because they were welcomed with
open arms. Perhaps it was because the people in the
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Dombass region were sick and tired of being bombed by
their own country because they wanted independence. So along comes
the Russian army and they they lay down their arms
and let the Russian. Let the Russians start fighting Ukrainians.
I want you, I want to ask you something serious question.
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Have you ever heard that before? Because all you hear
about is, you know, Russia has now got the Dombass
region and we're not sure that we'll ever that, you know,
that'll ever go back to Ukraine. Do you ever understand why?
That's why, that's exactly why this has been one cluster,
you know what for decades, well, actually for thousands of years,
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but certainly for the past couple of decades. But then,
where does the Lensky come into all of this? Who
is he? Is he this organic leader that came from nowhere?
Or was he installed? He's reported that in twenty twenty,
Zelensky secretly met with the Head of Six Richard Moore. Now,
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why would a formed president meet with the UK's top
spy instead of the UK's Prime minister. Is Zelensky? I'm
just asking quite, I'm just curious. Is Zelenski a UK asset.
Think about what you saw on the news over the weekend.
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So Zelenski jumps on his plane or a plane, I
don't know how, he's flying around, goes straight to London,
is welcomed at number ten, downing with a gigantic hug,
and Keir Starmer of the Labor Party of Far Leftists says,
listen to those crowds out there cheering, you will do
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what we need to do. We're gonna give you whatever
billions it is we're gonna give. We'll sign it right now.
Here's here's two billion to start. We're gonna give you more,
including troops on the ground. Now, did Kir Starmer clear
that as a member of NATO or did he do
that on his own? Because if he puts boots on
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the ground and they get shot, now we are required
by law, by Article five of the North Atlantic Treaty
Organization to come to their defense. But let's go back.
Why in twenty twenty did Lensky meet with the head
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of I six. Is he a UK asset? Now? I
don't well, I'm about to tell you I haven't been
able to confirm, but it's reported that Zelensky is protected
by British security and not Ukrainian security. I don't know
that for a fact, but it makes you wonder. When
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Zelensky went to the Vatican, he snubbed the Pope and
he met instead with a British bishop. Guess who else
was there? Oh yeah, the same head of m I six,
Richard Moore. Well that's quite a coincidence, isn't it. Now
we know that before he got into politics, Zelensky was
a comedian and he was an actor literally playing the president,
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playing the role of a president on a TV show.
Then that, with the help of Western pr firms, fiction
became reality. His campaign was funded by the oligarch Ihor Kolomeninski,
who owned Ukraine's largest oil company and bank, oil company,
oil company who was a big oil and oh yeah, Berizma.
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Once in power, Zelenski's priority wasn't fighting corruption. It was
making sure that black Rock, all these Western banks, all
these Western companies took over Ukraine's economy. And so what
did he do. He funneled millions into offshore counts and
rumor has that he's got you know, mansions different places.
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He had a London apartment, ostensibly as a London apartment
I should to be absolutely correct. So then by the
time of the invasion in twenty twenty two, NATO had
armed Ukraine to the teeth and Kiev had a massed
forces near Donbass. So Russia had a choice at that point.
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He could let dom Bass continue to face the ethnic
cleansing that it was undergoing. It could let NATO turn
in turn Ukraine into a military base, both of which
he was opposed to. If you watched the Tucker Carlson
interview with Vladimir Putin, it's Vladimir Putin showed what a
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powerful thug that he is because he walked in and
he just read Tucker Carlson a complete Russian history, and
part of that history was about the Dombas and the
ties between Ukraine and that particular region in Russia. It's
ethnically Russian, they speak Russian, they travel back and forth
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to Russia all the time. So that was number one
choice was he could just let dom Bass continue to
face ethnic cleansing of Russians, which is exactly what Ukraine
was doing, or he could let NATO turn Ukraine into
a military basis, which, going all the way back to
Bill Clinton, was the ultimate objective. Ukraine and Georgia were
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the final two countries in terms of the NATO expansion,
and they got Georgia ended up in a civil war,
absolute destruction of Georgia, or they could now turn their
eyes on Ukraine. And as was pointed out earlier, what
would we do if Now I'm not saying it's justified,
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I'm just asking you the question, what would we do
if Russia established a base in Tijuana, or Waras or
in Winnipeg. We wouldn't stand for it at all. Then
Russia had a third choice. They could intervene. So they intervened,
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just as other nations would in those particular circumstances. And
the media screamed an unprovoked invasion. But NATO expansion, the
twenty fourteen coup, eight years of ethnic cleansing, and don Bass,
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this war was provoked every step of the of the way,
and Ukraine was set up as a pawn. That's all
all the stuff about the other NATO country countries, the
old Eastern Bloc countries. Yes, you can look at that.
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Putin is still a thug. Putin still violates human rights,
but was he an aggressor. On February of twenty twenty two. Yes,
was he provoked? Yes? Now what's Trump trying to do? Hey, Mike,
I think democracy's on the line.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
No, wait, it's a constitutional crisis.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
No, it's chaos. No, he's a putin puppet. God, it
gets so old. Next hour, I want to play a
bunch of sound bites for you to kind of give
you a other than me talking, give you a view
of what's going on in the world. But before I
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do that, I want to finish this segment with Trump. Now.
Do I like the fact that this blew up in public?
I'm of two minds of that. One I wish it hadn't,
but two, I'm glad that it did, because it showed
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how Trump was willing even in that look. Trump could
have just stood up. I want you to think about
the mechanics of this. Trump could have just stood up,
taken Zelensky by the arm, kind of like Obama did
Biden and just eggedit. The Oval Office and Rubio and
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Vance and everybody else descent was there. They would have
all just gotten up and left the room and we
would have never seen anything else about this. And they
could have gone back and read him the Riot Act
in private. That's probably how I would prefer that it
had happened. However, at this point, I'm kind of glad
that it did happen the way that it happened, because
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we saw this president not giving a ratsass about anything
other than this country and bringing this war to an end.
I still challenge anybody to tell me, or show me,
or prove to me how Donald Trump is sucking up
to Vladimir Putin. Now, if your argument is because well,
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he allowed this to occur in public, wait a minute,
who started this public brawl? Zelensky did and what was
the first thing that everybody tried to point out Rubio didn't.
If you watch the video as many times as I have,
occasionally the camera will pan out just enough that you
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can see Rubio, who's sitting stole, cold, silent in the
order of protocol, right next to the Vice President, who
is looking ahead, but his eyes are turned to the right,
looking at Zelensky. And if a look could kill, that
look was there because they've both both be sent The
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Treasury Secretary and the Secretary of State have been pushing
to get him to sign this agreement, and they've received
indications that he would, and now he's backing out and
not doing it. I think Rubio wanted choking Bessent. I'm
sure did the same thing. So it's good that we
saw this. But what you have to be cognizant of
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is that's not how it will be played by the cabal.
The cabal is trying to force you, convince you, propagandize you,
somehow weasel into your brain that Trump's at fault, Trump
is weak, and Trump made America weaker. No, actually he
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didn't at all. I think he put himself in a
stronger position, a stronger negotiation position when it comes time
to invite Putin for the table. Why because Putin's made
the first move already
Good morning, Michael and Dragon. It's Monday morning.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
So I couldn't help it, but could you tell me
what a puttent pupet might be? Have a great Monday, Michael,
Did you just say a putt puopet? I must have.
I've got plenty of texts about it.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I love the fact that you've been doing a history
lesson for two hours, explaining everything in great detail. But
they get sucked into putt and poopet.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, and I you know who knows, I probably did
say it.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
He did it caught my ear too, and I'm like,
you know, he just transposts those It's no big deal, okay,
all right, But other people they're not so kind. They
will happily point it out.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
They will, they will happily and gladly point it out.
Before we go back to the history, let's go to
General Jack Keane, who is the chairman of the Instry
for the Study of War. He's a Fox News contributor.
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He's very well connected.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
He has.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
He has people that talk to him inside the d
D all the time, primarily because he's a great resource
for strategy tactics. He's well the Institute for the Study
of War. He's been on several times, but he caught
my ear over the weekend when he was on Fox
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AND's Friend, Fox and Friend's Weekend when he said.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
This generals deal after being kicked out of the White
House on Friday, but with the agreement in limbo, how
long can his country realistically battle Russia without US support?
Fox News Senior strategic analyst retired for Star General Jack
Keane joins US now. General Kan, thank you so much
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for joining us this morning. Extraordinary, extraordinary meeting that we
saw on Friday. You've probably been on the inside of
some meetings like that in your past, but you know,
I had never seen anything quite like it break down
for us. Kind of what you saw happening in that.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Meeting, well, I think we have a lot more knowledge
about it now than we had initially. What we saw
during the press conference was calculated by President Zelenski and
his Chief of Staff Ermok. There was a twenty minute
Bylack before that whether these grievances that he laid out
in some detail were not discussed at that meeting, And
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that tells you something, because that's where it is appropriate
to have grievances and disagreements. He made his case during
the press conference, So what's going on there?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
They could.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
They calculated that they were going to take their case
to the American people, and as a result of that
put pressure on Putin to move him towards his position.
So what you can see it, and I watched it
three times now to verify it was that true or not,
and it is true.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You can see it.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
He started with the tortured soldiers, and he made the
case that Putin is evil. He also kidnapped thousands of
Ukrainian children, and obviously Putin is evil. And then he
looked for opportunities to talk. He wasn't being asked questions
like the president was, so he spoke after the president's questions,
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and he took the floor himself, just aggressively, and he
luxured the presidents about how Putin can't be trusted. Look
at the evidence, twenty five cease fires that he's violated,
and he violated one when you were president. President said, no,
that didn't happen, as lens He said, yes, it did
during twenty sixteen. And the President stopped looking at Lenski
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at that point and looked at the floor, and then
he debated the vice president. When the vice president was
trying to say, you know, you haven't thanked this at
all during this meeting. And here we got a president
who's trying to achieve a diplomatic solution here and then
he challenges him by saying, j D, what kind of
a diplomatic solution, And he goes on the offense again
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to make his point not so much to j D,
to the President, but to the American people. So the
purpose of the meeting vy Zelensky was completely different than
the purpose of that press conference by the President.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
They came in.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Zelensky was told this, this isn't going to take all
that long. This is about celebrating the deal. Were about
the sign and telling the American people why this is
good for Ukraine and why this is good also for
the United States and the American people. That's what the
administration had in mind. Zelensky had something completely different in mind,
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and that's why he pursued it. The administration knows this,
and that's why they're frustrated, not so much what he said,
but where he said it and when he said it,
and he was what he was trying to do to
manipulate the American people.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Absolutely fascinating. General Key do you think that he was
not expecting for there to be blowback? And do you
think did he actually accomplish what he had hoped to accomplish.
It seems like it kind of blew up in his
face a little bit.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Well, it absolutely blew up in his face because obviously
the administration wasn't going to sit there and take it.
And President Trump, I mean, he was hosting the press conference.
He could have cut it off at any time. He
knew full well Zelenski was lecturing him, but he went
point and counterpoint with him because he wasn't going to
let him get away with that. And obviously, is Zelenski's
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popularity at home at least immediately has gone up because
he has stood up to an American president, and the Europeans,
at least publicly, are supporting him. Privately, I think they're
telling him, in no uncertain terms, reconciled with President Trump.
Reconcile with President Trump. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Of course, the European leaders are telling them that because
this was the deal. Now, I hadn't thought about this,
I'd mentioned earlier. I only have anecdotal evidence about why
we were having a press conference. Well, King, I'd forgotten
that Keen made this point, and that was they had
had a bilateral meeting to begin with, and the bilateral
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meeting was to go through talk about everything they needed
to talk about. Then they were going to have the
signing ceremony, and then they were going to have a
press conference. So it was a bilateral meeting, short press conference,
go sign the deal, have lunch, and have another press conference,
another photo op. It was all laid out. Zelensky hijacked
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the meeting. And this is where I want to do
two things here. First, let's listen to the hijack, and
then let's think about the history again. I you may
not have liked history in school, but I promise you
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you've got to understand this history to understand what it
is that Trump is trying to accomplish. He is not
a Putin puppet, or a puppet Putin or whatever the
hell I said earlier. He's neither one of those things.
He's trying to mediate an agreement between two intractable sides, Zelensky,
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who will not move. He thought he had him moving
a little bit. And why would you start with Zelenski
because Zelensky is ostensibly on our side. So it's it's
much like you know in a in a criminal case,
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the prosecution goes first. Well, we're the ones that are
helping him prosecute this war, and so we're going to
go first. So he starts first with this economic agreement
about the rare earth elements.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to
end the destruction of your country.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
But if you have President President with.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to come into
the Oval Office to try to litigate this in front
of the American media. Right now, you guys are going
around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you
have manpower problems. You should be thanking the president for
everybody to bring it into this com into your training
that you say what problems we have.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I have been to come.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
I've actually I've actually watched and seen the stories, and
I know what happens is you bring people, you bring.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Them on a propaganda tour.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Mister President, are do you disagree that you've had problems
with bringing people into your military and do you think
that I respect as to come to the Oval Office
of the United States of America and attack the administration
that is trying to trying to prevent the destruction of
your Loto questions.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And that's stuff from the BIGGI short fist wall ing
the war.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Everybody has problems, even you, but you have ni SoC
and don't feel now, but you will feel it.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
That was a tactical error right there. You've got a great,
big ocean. But if you don't do what I want,
Russia is going to come for you and you're gonna
have problems here. That's where Trump first loses it.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
You don't know that, God bless you're not blessed.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
You don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You gotta work.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Don't tell us what we're gonna feel. We're trying to
solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're gonna feel.
I'm not telling you because you're in no position to
dictate that.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Remember this, you know you're in.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
No position to dictate what we're gonna feel. We're gonna
feel very.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Good, feel influenced.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
We're gonna feel very good and very strong.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It'll feel influenced.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
You're right now, not in a very good position. You've
allowed you to be in a beginning that examples to
be right about from the very beginning of the war.
Not in a good position. You don't have the cards
right now with us, you start having cards now.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
See here's where I mentioned on Saturday. One of the
failures here was Zelensky has good but not so good English.
He needed an interpreter because Trump's that's a that's a
well used American idiom. You don't hold You don't hold
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the cards here, we hold the cards. We're not playing cards.
He he's so intent. Zelensky is on making his appeal
as General King says to the American people that he's
not paying attention to what's being said, nor is he
paying attention to how it's being said. He's not looking
at the body language. He's not looking at the posture.
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Trump has his feet flat on the ground, his hands
his fingers together, pointing downward, leaning forward. It's a it's
a total power position. Zelenski's got his arms cloth crossed.
Now he's kind of leaning in a little bit toward Trump,
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but he uncrosses his arms and puts them in his lap,
cuts his hands together, a sure sign of weakness. He
knows that he's weak, but well subconsciously he knows that
he's weak, but he won't let it go.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
You're gambling with the lives of millions of people seeing
you're gambling with World War three. You're gambling with World
War three, and what you're doing is very disrespectful to
the country, this country.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
To me, this, this is really important. Trump doesn't say
you're being disrespectful to me, which Zelenski is. You're being
disrespectful to this country. You're being disrespectful to the people
that I present. It goes right over Zelenski's head. War three.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Well, gambling with World War three and what you're doing
is very disrespectful to the country, this country. Far more
than a lot of people said they should have.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
You said thank you once times.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
You said you went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the
opposition in October, all.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
For some words.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I'm sorry you think what arguably I think jd right there,
mister Vice President, that's very petty. You haven't said thank
you once this meeting. Yeah, the dude has said thank
you a number of times prior in the prior administration,
and every time he's gotten any money from us, he
said thank you. But for Vice President jad Advance to
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sit there and go.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You haven't said thank you this meeting. I was like, Dick, Yeah, no,
I think it's I think it's petty too, but I
understand that the heat of the moment, because at this point,
everybody's heartbeat has doubled. Everybody's blood pressure is probably about
one sixty over one ten at this point, and everybody's
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ready to just I think, choking to death. And the
other thing that he does right here is he refers
to the Vice President in the Oval office as JD.
It was I mean, we joked about calling Bush the
boss behind his back. We would never refer to the
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president as the boss, even though it's a term of endearment.
We would never do that.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Appreciation from the United States of America and the president
who's trying to save your country.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And I think JD, the Vice President, does make a
good point there, and that is this guy's trying to
save your country. Now, Trump was right, Zelenski has never
had the cards't He isn't some brave leader calling the shots.
He's a desperate man cleaned to power. It's a collapsing
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regime is propped up by Western money, Western weapons, and
Western propaganda for that matter. And with Ukraine losing the
pr War and the real war, he's beginning to panic.
Ukraine was not an independent actor in this war. As
I pointed out in that last hour, the real power
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brokers are in Washington, Brussels, in London, and they're playing
geopolitical games. This war was engineered to weaken Russia. And
to understand that, you need to understand the history that
they the kabal will never tell you. Nobody told you
this history. Ukraine and Russia had been bound together for
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more than a thousand years. Kiev, Ukraine's capital, wants the
heart is something called Kevin. Russ the first great Slavic state,
laid the foundations for Russia itself. Ukraine's very name means borderland,
which means the borderland of Russia. For centuries, Ukraine was
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an integral part of the Russian Empire. It wasn't some
oppressed nation. Even during the Soviet era, Ukraine wasn't occupied.
It was central to the USSR. Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev
was Ukrainian. So when the USSR collapsed, Ukraine became independent
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and Washington stepped in not to help Ukraine, but to
weaponize Ukraine against Russia. Now do I blame us for
doing that? Absolutely not. If if you've got a breakaway country,
now should we have understood more about the Dombas region
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and the strategic importance of Crimea. Absolutely, but we didn't
because we're damn Americans and we just step in and
we see an opportunity and we grab it. I don't
think it's anything wrong with that. I just think we
failed to understand the geopolitical relationship between Russia and Ukraine.
The United States and NATO lied to Gorbachev, they lied
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to Yeltsin, promising they would never expand one inch eastward.
What do we do? We moved into Poland, we moved
into the Baltic States. Ukraine was the ultimate NATO prize.
So what we do the West? NATO, all the European countries.
We poured billions in Ukraine. We funded pro NATO political groups,
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We funded through USAID all these NGOs, and for that matter,
we funded the media in order to manufacture an anti
Russian state. And in two thousand and four, as I said,
in the last hour, the CIA, Victoria Newland, John McCain,
Amy Klobashar, who am I leaving out? Lindsey Graham, they
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all backed the Orange Revolution, overturning an election that favored
a pro Russian Canada. In order to favor that was
favoring at pro Russian candidate. But the real coup occurred
in twenty fourteen, and that's when the real aggression began. Now,
am I saying that Putin didn't invade Ukraine. No, I'm
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just saying that it really didn't happen in February of
twenty twenty two. It happened back in twenty fourteen, and
that's when Ukraine's democratically elected president, Viktor Yanukovich rejected an
EU trade deal that would have destroyed Ukraine's economy. That's
what we were trying to do, and that was unacceptable
to Washington, so they removed him via this manufactured color revolution.
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The mainden revolution was in the grassroots movement. It was
a c I backed coup pocus right by officials like
Victoria Newdland.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
You know, the best thing about the Putt and Poopet
thing is they all missed Saturday's Muppet Master.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
You're talking about Claus Schwab. You're talking about here Stormy,
You're talking about Emmanuel Macron. You're talking about Queen Ursula,
whatever name is the head of the European Union Council.
Which which one are you talking about there's a lot
of there's a lot of puppet masters in this stupid game.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
That's me, he said, muppet, oh master, I'm assuming that you,
at some point on Saturday had said instead of puppet.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Master, you said nothing.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Master.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Could have imagine me doing that.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
The things people glomb onto rather than the the actual
hard hitting topics that you bring up. No, no, no,
putt and poopet no.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I know which is which is fine. It's fantastic and
I think it's hilarious. So let's go back. The real
coup occurred in twenty fourteen. Ukraine's democratically elected president, Victor
Yankovich rejected an EU trade deal that would have destroyed
Ukraine's economy, and so that that pissed off Washington, who
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was president. Oh yeah, Bama and Biden. Yeah, So they
removed him via this manufactured color Revolution, the Maiden Revolution.
He wasn't a grassroots movement. It was a CI backed
coup and it was orchestrated by people like Victoria Newlin
and John McCain and Lindsey Graham and all the rest
of them. So brazen was Washington in that coup that
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Newlan was even caught, as you heard earlier on that
leaked call hand picking Ukraine's next leader, even before you
knew Keovich was even gone. Now, the violent mobs that
took over Kiev not peaceful protesters. They weren't even mostly
peaceful protesters. They were led by a neo Nazi group,
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the Isov Battalion. If you do an AI search, you'll
find that while they haven't explicitly denied their Nazi ties,
you'll also find that, oh, we actually have been funding
some of them. Groups that everything from what I can tell,
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openly celebrate Nazi collaborators and wear SS and signal on
their uniforms. Those same groups received Western weapons. The post
coup regime then banned the Russian language. Why is that
important to note, because that directly attacked millions of Russian
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speaking Ukrainians in the east, in the Dombass region. That's
when Dombast and Crimea said enough is enough. Crimea held
a referendum. Over ninety percent of those people voted return
to Russia. The Dombas they actually voted for independence. They
just wanted independence. The people of Dombas rejected Kiv but
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Kiev wouldn't let them go, so instead they launched a
brutal war on their own people. They shelled civilians for
eight years, and of course Americans were to it. You know,
we were too distracted by whatever the kabal was trying
to tell us. We weren't paying the attention to it.
Where was the Western outrage then, I mean, where where? Nowhere?
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The only place I could find was at the start
of a CNN story back from twenty fifteen that kind
of alluded to it.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Gret Karashenko will have a hard time winning back hearts
and minds in this city. As the people of Donyevsk
sweep up the debris of their homes and livelihoods, they
are hardened against the president they say is killing his
own people. We are Ukrainian, but they kill us. This
man says, so we probably need our own country because
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these people in Kiev they are not brothers for us.
The shells hit these homes days ago, but the tears
are still fresh.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Auch we live on the ground.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It's so hard for two weeks, especially for twenty seven nine,
but only to day.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's quiet is a story.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
Two people were killed outside this block of flats last Wednesday.
One of them was a fifty year old woman. The
other thirty four year old woman, her husband, who won't
talk to us, he says he's in shock, managed to
make it down to the cellar with their little child,
but she just didn't.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Have the time.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
And this is a story that repeats itself over and
over in dozens of apartment blocks, with civilians being killed
by the constant shelling around Donietsk.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Now, let's not ignore this. And again, this doesn't make
me a puppet of Putin. This doesn't make you cannot
conclude from what I'm about to say that I support
Vladimir Putin. It does support that I understand Vladimir Putin. Now,
think about what you've just heard. You've heard that the
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people of the Dombas region, which Russia currently occupies, rejected Kiev.
So Kiev starts in for eight solid years, just bombs
the crap out of them, trying to force them back
into the country they voted for independence. So when Russia
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makes its move in February of twenty twenty two, what
part of what part of Ukraine they can't get Kiev?
But what part do they get at the Dombass region? Why?
I wonder why? Perhaps it's because they were welcomed with
open arms. Perhaps it was because the people in the
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Dombass region were sick and tired of being bombed by
their own country because they wanted independence. So along comes
the Russian army and they they lay down their arms
and let the Russian. Let the Russians start fighting Ukrainians.
I want you, I want to ask you something serious question.
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Have you ever heard that before? Because all you hear
about is, you know, Russia has now got the Dombass
region and we're not sure that we'll ever that, you know,
that'll ever go back to Ukraine. Do you ever understand why?
That's why, that's exactly why this has been one cluster,
you know what for decades, well, actually for thousands of years,
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but certainly for the past couple of decades. But then,
where does the Lensky come into all of this? Who
is he? Is he this organic leader that came from nowhere?
Or was he installed? He's reported that in twenty twenty,
Zelensky secretly met with the Head of Six Richard Moore. Now,
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why would a formed president meet with the UK's top
spy instead of the UK's Prime minister. Is Zelensky? I'm
just asking quite, I'm just curious. Is Zelenski a UK asset.
Think about what you saw on the news over the weekend.
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So Zelenski jumps on his plane or a plane, I
don't know how, he's flying around, goes straight to London,
is welcomed at number ten, downing with a gigantic hug,
and Keir Starmer of the Labor Party of Far Leftists says,
listen to those crowds out there cheering, you will do
(25:59):
what we need to do. We're gonna give you whatever
billions it is we're gonna give. We'll sign it right now.
Here's here's two billion to start. We're gonna give you more,
including troops on the ground. Now, did Kir Starmer clear
that as a member of NATO or did he do
that on his own? Because if he puts boots on
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the ground and they get shot, now we are required
by law, by Article five of the North Atlantic Treaty
Organization to come to their defense. But let's go back.
Why in twenty twenty did Lensky meet with the head
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of I six. Is he a UK asset? Now? I
don't well, I'm about to tell you I haven't been
able to confirm, but it's reported that Zelensky is protected
by British security and not Ukrainian security. I don't know
that for a fact, but it makes you wonder. When
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Zelensky went to the Vatican, he snubbed the Pope and
he met instead with a British bishop. Guess who else
was there? Oh yeah, the same head of m I six,
Richard Moore. Well that's quite a coincidence, isn't it. Now
we know that before he got into politics, Zelensky was
a comedian and he was an actor literally playing the president,
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playing the role of a president on a TV show.
Then that, with the help of Western pr firms, fiction
became reality. His campaign was funded by the oligarch Ihor Kolomeninski,
who owned Ukraine's largest oil company and bank, oil company,
oil company who was a big oil and oh yeah, Berizma.
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Once in power, Zelenski's priority wasn't fighting corruption. It was
making sure that black Rock, all these Western banks, all
these Western companies took over Ukraine's economy. And so what
did he do. He funneled millions into offshore counts and
rumor has that he's got you know, mansions different places.
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He had a London apartment, ostensibly as a London apartment
I should to be absolutely correct. So then by the
time of the invasion in twenty twenty two, NATO had
armed Ukraine to the teeth and Kiev had a massed
forces near Donbass. So Russia had a choice at that point.
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He could let dom Bass continue to face the ethnic
cleansing that it was undergoing. It could let NATO turn
in turn Ukraine into a military base, both of which
he was opposed to. If you watched the Tucker Carlson
interview with Vladimir Putin, it's Vladimir Putin showed what a
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powerful thug that he is because he walked in and
he just read Tucker Carlson a complete Russian history, and
part of that history was about the Dombas and the
ties between Ukraine and that particular region in Russia. It's
ethnically Russian, they speak Russian, they travel back and forth
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to Russia all the time. So that was number one
choice was he could just let dom Bass continue to
face ethnic cleansing of Russians, which is exactly what Ukraine
was doing, or he could let NATO turn Ukraine into
a military basis, which, going all the way back to
Bill Clinton, was the ultimate objective. Ukraine and Georgia were
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the final two countries in terms of the NATO expansion,
and they got Georgia ended up in a civil war,
absolute destruction of Georgia, or they could now turn their
eyes on Ukraine. And as was pointed out earlier, what
would we do if Now I'm not saying it's justified,
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I'm just asking you the question, what would we do
if Russia established a base in Tijuana, or Waras or
in Winnipeg. We wouldn't stand for it at all. Then
Russia had a third choice. They could intervene. So they intervened,
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just as other nations would in those particular circumstances. And
the media screamed an unprovoked invasion. But NATO expansion, the
twenty fourteen coup, eight years of ethnic cleansing, and don Bass,
(30:52):
this war was provoked every step of the of the way,
and Ukraine was set up as a pawn. That's all
all the stuff about the other NATO country countries, the
old Eastern Bloc countries. Yes, you can look at that.
(31:16):
Putin is still a thug. Putin still violates human rights,
but was he an aggressor. On February of twenty twenty two. Yes,
was he provoked? Yes? Now what's Trump trying to do? Hey, Mike,
I think democracy's on the line.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
No, wait, it's a constitutional crisis.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
No, it's chaos. No, he's a putin puppet. God, it
gets so old. Next hour, I want to play a
bunch of sound bites for you to kind of give
you a other than me talking, give you a view
of what's going on in the world. But before I
(31:58):
do that, I want to finish this segment with Trump. Now.
Do I like the fact that this blew up in public?
I'm of two minds of that. One I wish it hadn't,
but two, I'm glad that it did, because it showed
(32:18):
how Trump was willing even in that look. Trump could
have just stood up. I want you to think about
the mechanics of this. Trump could have just stood up,
taken Zelensky by the arm, kind of like Obama did
Biden and just eggedit. The Oval Office and Rubio and
(32:39):
Vance and everybody else descent was there. They would have
all just gotten up and left the room and we
would have never seen anything else about this. And they
could have gone back and read him the Riot Act
in private. That's probably how I would prefer that it
had happened. However, at this point, I'm kind of glad
that it did happen the way that it happened, because
(33:01):
we saw this president not giving a ratsass about anything
other than this country and bringing this war to an end.
I still challenge anybody to tell me, or show me,
or prove to me how Donald Trump is sucking up
to Vladimir Putin. Now, if your argument is because well,
(33:25):
he allowed this to occur in public, wait a minute,
who started this public brawl? Zelensky did and what was
the first thing that everybody tried to point out Rubio didn't.
If you watch the video as many times as I have,
occasionally the camera will pan out just enough that you
(33:45):
can see Rubio, who's sitting stole, cold, silent in the
order of protocol, right next to the Vice President, who
is looking ahead, but his eyes are turned to the right,
looking at Zelensky. And if a look could kill, that
look was there because they've both both be sent The
(34:07):
Treasury Secretary and the Secretary of State have been pushing
to get him to sign this agreement, and they've received
indications that he would, and now he's backing out and
not doing it. I think Rubio wanted choking Bessent. I'm
sure did the same thing. So it's good that we
saw this. But what you have to be cognizant of
(34:32):
is that's not how it will be played by the cabal.
The cabal is trying to force you, convince you, propagandize you,
somehow weasel into your brain that Trump's at fault, Trump
is weak, and Trump made America weaker. No, actually he
(34:56):
didn't at all. I think he put himself in a
stronger position, a stronger negotiation position when it comes time
to invite Putin for the table. Why because Putin's made
the first move already
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