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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The night Michael Brown joins me Here the former FEMA director.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Talk show host Michael Brown.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Brownie, no, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The Weekend with Michael Brown.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hey, broadcasting live from Denver, Colorado. It's the Weekend of
Michael Brown. I'm really happy to have you joining the
program today. So let's get started, you know, the Let's
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a little odd, at least I find it odd. I
find a little uncomfortable too. But I have in front
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of me of a piece of paper I stole from
the copy machine, and I've scribbled a diagram on it
and over here on the left on the far left
of the paper with a little arrow because I don't
have room for everything, is China. So China's way over
here on the left side of the paper, and then
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there's some waves that indicate the Pacific Ocean, and then
there's a box that says USA, and some more waves
that indicate the Atlantic Ocean. And then on the as
we get over to the right side of the paper,
up near the top is a small box that has
the United Kingdom. Below that is a larger box that
has the European Union, and then attached to the European
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Union is a small box that is marked Ukraine. And
then over here kind of attached to Ukraine is another
box on the far right side of the piece of
paper that has the word Russia. And then down the
bottom of the paper, down near the bottom of the
paper is a small box with the initials in for
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the Middle East. That's the world as I view it
right now. That's the world according to the view of
Michael Brown. Let me tell you a little bit about me.
I know that many of you who've listened to me
over almost almost twenty years, it's like eighteen and a
half nineteen years on radio. Now, many of you, because
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of what I say, what we talk about, my position
on certain issues, think you know me and that we're friends.
And some of us are literally friends in the truest
meaning of the word. Of those of us are acquaintances.
And many of you, because you've never texted me, you've
never followed me on social media, you've never engaged with
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me in any manner, email or otherwise, we don't know
each other at all. Yet you have the benefit of
knowing a lot about me. You can easily go Google
my name, you can go it, you can, and you
can find a ton of information about me. By the way,
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I would caution you if you do that, particularly if
you go read certain sites. What you read about me
is blatantly false, is a blatant lie. And and I
have attempted over the course of the past twenty years
since I left government, since I'm no longer the under
Secretary of Homeland Security, I've made attempts to correct many
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of those things, and many of the things I just
I give up you just no matter what I do.
I'll give you an example, and no go around looking
at it right now, because that's not the purpose. But
if you were to look at the at the Wikipedia
entry about me, one of the photographs older than hell.
I've certainly aged since then, and there are a lot
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of there's a lot of entries in that Wikipedia page
that are just absolutely untrue. And despite either me trying
to correct the record, or me hiring lawyers to correct
the record, of me hiring hiring you know, firms to
go in that you know, claim that they can clean
up your Wikipedia page, there are people who watch that
page who will never make a change, who will never
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allow a change to be made to it. And even Wikipedia,
and I have looked at it in ages, but even
Wikipedia announces near the top that this article has many
inconsistencies or in accuracies, and you know, proceed with caution
if you will. So I wanted to tell tell you
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a little bit about myself now, not not a lot
of detail, but some generalities. And the reason I am
doing this is because this morning I woke up and
of course I've got show prep that I've done for
you know, for the week and I've got show prep
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that I did for this weekend program. So I got
this whole stylish a stack show prep that I'm ready
to do. I say, stack. It's some stacks, but it's
mostly if you listen to me, you know, I mostly
work from a computer off of Microsoft word Document, and
then I've got about three browsers open with tabs open
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that I've marked up stories you know that I've highlighted,
and when I walk through. Ever since I was a kid,
and I'm the oldest of three siblings, and of course
i'm you know, of course I'm the smartest, and I'm
the bravest, and I always got my way. I always
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laugh about that because the oldest child is always the favorite, right,
you know, the oldest child always gets his way. The
younger brothers and siblings are always blah blah blah blah.
But I find it funny because my personality is one
that I normally I shouldn't say normally, but I often
do get my way. I have that. I think I
have that kind of personality. And then throughout high school
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and college, I was a debater, so I've always engaged
in arguments, and I've always learned how to debate, how
to be persuasive, how to take both sides of an issue,
look at the other side, understand. And then my professional
career I ended up obviously, you know, with a degree
in political science excuse me, and public administration, went on
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to get up my juris doctorate, and you know, past
the bar exam, became a member of numerous bar associations
around the country, got admitted to the U. S. Supreme Court,
and a bunch of other federal and court appelate courts
around the country. And so my life has always been
whether it be in a courtroom, it be in my
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private life, my personal life, my professional life, whatever it was,
has always been one of communication, persuasion, argument, debating, you know, whatever,
you know. Take for example, I often, or didn't often,
but for several year years was involved in labor negotiations.
And I've been on both sides of the table. I've
negotiated labor contracts on behalf of police and fire departments,
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and I've negotiated labor contracts on behalf of municipalities against
or with police and fire departments. I've debated or negotiated
all sorts of agreements. I've spent a lot of time
in South America debating the purchase of huge industrial equipment
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on behalf of different entities that were, you know, creating
hydro electric power dams. So it's always been a lifestyle
or a life of professionalism, even in my personal life.
That drives my wife crazy. I hope she's not listening
right now. But oftentimes I have to use persuasion to
get my way. Don't always I don't always win, it's surprising.
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So I've learned to take the NX. I've learned to
take the ups and downs, and I've learned to understand
that no matter what you do in life, if you
approach life with always wanting to please everyone or always
thinking that you're always going to get your way, then
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you're never going to be happy and you're never going
to satisfy everyone. And so you stake out your positions,
always being willing to change your positions if necessary in
order to maybe advance your cause. I say all of
that because I want you to understand that anything that
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we have talked about, or that you've listened to me
talk about over the past, however long you've been listening
to me, either on the weekend program or the weekday program,
that I'm pretty persistent. I woke up this morning and
I read an article on the Free Press. The Free
Press is one of those online subscriptions that I have
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because I believe that Barry Weiss is a former reporter
for the New York Times, and she started the Free
Press because she quit and got fired all the same
time from the New York Times, and she wanted a
new She's part of the new media. And Barry Weiss
is not someone that I would say is a diehard
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conservative like I am. She's not a right wing nut
job like I am. But nor is she really a
dumb ass left wing Marxist communist crazy job. She's really
trying to be a journalist. And the Free Press presents
a lot of differing alternate points of view. I woke
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up this morning and someone that I've got a lot
of respect for and someone that I have often read
and studied and probably quoted on programs, probably used sound
bites from him, has and it's Douglas Murray. Douglas Murray,
I think is one of the greatest thinkers of our time.
And Douglas Murray has a story about how those who
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support Trump are entirely wrong about Ukraine, that everything that
we believe is wrong. And as I read through this,
I actually got angry because I thought, you're distorting you
are Not only are you distorting, but you're outright lying
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about certain things, and it really irritates me. And you're missing,
I think, to all due respect to mister Murray, you're
missing the larger picture about what's going on, which is
why I drew out this stupid little diagram of the
world because I want to walk through my view of
the world right now, and I want to do that
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in the context of what Douglas Murray writes, because what
Douglas Murray writes, I think misses the larger picture. It's
the Weekend with Michael Brown. Text the word Michael Michael
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right back. Hey, welcome back to the Weekend with Michael Brown.
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Really glad to have you with me. Sincerely, am glad
to have you with me. So we're talking about let
me tell you why I'm stunned. I'm truly stunned by
this article by Douglas Murray because I do think he's
one of the best thinkers in the world. But when
he starts attacking. Now, yes, did I take this article personally?
I did, And that's my first and that is a mistake.
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I should not take this personally. He didn't write this
article about me anymore than he wrote it about you,
but he does take on those of us who support
what Donald Trump is generally trying to do with regard
to the battle, the absolute horrific war going on between
Ukraine and Russia. And the reason I take offense to
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it is because it completely ignores, in my humble opinion,
it totally ignores that the greater threat to world peace,
an existential threat to this country, an existential threat to
our lifestyle, an existential way to our way of living,
is the Chinese Communist Party. It is the greater threat
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to world peace, not world peace, world peace. And Chi
Jing Ping, who is a horrific abuser of human rights?
Is you want to call somebody like Hitler chi Jing
Ping who is engaged in ethnic cleansing. Now you can
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make to some degree the same argument for Vladimir Putin.
But because I support the efforts to bring about an
end to the war between Ukraine and Russia does not
make me a supporter of Vladimir Putin. As I've said
numerous times, I've told you that I know personally one
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of Putin's former defense ministers Choi Goo sat across the
table from him and working out a treaty one time
in a tent out in the middle of nowhere, out
in the countryside outside Saint Petersburg, Russia. And I have
to tell you, the guy gave me the creeps. Look,
just tell you the truth. He was a He was
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just the kind of person that you looked at and
knew that you were dealing with someone who is probably
in addition to a war zone, probably outside a war zone,
has killed a lot of people in his lot. And
here I am. You know, I'm not a bodybuilder, I'm
not a WWE wrestler. I think I'm in good shape.
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But he could have taken me out in the heartbeat.
And here I am. I'm sitting there negotiating with him.
And because I know him, does that make me a
supporter of what they stand for?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
No?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
But you don't get much higher in Putin's cabinet than
his defense minister. Now, Showy Go's out. Now Putin kicked
him out. Oh, he's still involved in the inner circle,
but he's no longer the defense minister because Putin didn't
like the way he was conducting the war because Putin
wants to. I mean, Putin's engaged in the killing of civilians,
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He's engaged in war crimes. But does that mean I
mean that gets us to Douglas Murray's point that somehow
those who support Donald Trump are pro Putin because of
our refusal to side with the globalists who are attempting
to expand NATO, expand the European Union, and are demanding
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that EU and NATO step up and start doing your
part in this war because American taxpayers have been carrying
the burden for years now, and in fact, not not
just carrying the burden for years now in terms of
this particular war, but carrying the burden toward Ukraine. Does
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any of that make us supporters of Vladimir Putin? No,
it does not. And I want to give you an
example of because apparently some people who support Putin are
more equal than others. I give you Bill Clinton.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Mister Putin has got he got all.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
He's very smart, better than most people. Yeah, what was
he like behind closed doors, away from you know, those
sort of the public utterances.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Smart and remarkably, we had a really good, blunt relationship,
help blunt, brutally blunt in a fist. No, but I
think you know, I think the strategy most of the
time is but it's frustrating to people in your line
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of work. You should be brutally honest with people in private,
and then if you want them to help, you try
to avoid embarrassing them in public. Now, sometimes they do
things which make it impossible for you to keep quiet.
But by and large, I found all the people I
dealt with appreciated it if I told them the truth,
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how I'd honestly felt, and what our interests were and
what our objectives were. And they also appreciated it when
I didn't kick them around in public for as long
as I couldn't kick him around. So you know, that's
my experience.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And Diputin ever reneged on a personal agreement he made
to you, he did not, so behind closed doors he
could be trusted.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
He kept his word, mister put Oh. So when Bill
Clinton says that he trusted Putin and they had a
great relationship, why Bill Clinton is a political genius. Trump
does exactly the same thing, and somehow he's a Russian puppet.
And I support what Trump's trying to do to bring
an end to this slaughter, this absolute slaughter going on,
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and somehow I'm a Putin supporter. Now I know that
Douglas Murray doesn't know me, he doesn't care about me,
but that's that's what he's saying to all of us
who want to see this war brought to an end.
Before we go into the specifics of what Douglas Murray wrote,
I want to go to my little chart that I've written.
It's got the United States, the United Kingdom, EU, Ukraine, Russia,
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the Middle East and China on this piece of paper,
and I want you to think about relationships, and I
want you to think about what this country has done
for some of those other countries around the World's The
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Speaker 2 (18:01):
Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA director of
talk show host Michael Brown.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Brownie, No, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The Weekend with Michael Brown.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Hey, you're listening to the Weekend with Michael Brown, broadcasting
live from Denver, Colorado, and I really do appreciate you
tuning in. If you want to send me a text message,
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best place to do it is on ex formerly Twitter,
and that's at Michael Brown USA. So Fore, historians, this
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is going to be probably a little dune down for you,
So I apologize, and I probably will miss some salient points,
but I'm going to give you an overall perspective of
where we've been and where we are, because when I
look at my stupid little schematic that I have here
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in front of me, let's go back to World War Two. Now,
why do we call those those men that fought in
World War Two and the women who supported them, either
domestically at home or by being, you know, putting rivets
in planes? Why do we call them America's Greatest generation?
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Because not only were they fighting a world war that
was going to determine whether or not we were going
to live in a free and open society or we
were going to live under the heavy fist of communism,
either Nazi Germany or the Imperial Japanese. And they did
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everything they sacrificed like we cannot even possibly imagine. And
it's the second time we've done it. And when we
did it, before we even entered the war, we were
already supporting Great Britain through the lind Lease program. We
were shipping arms and supplies like we are right now
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with Ukraine over to Great Britain in order to stave
off Adolf Hitler. And we had eventually, because of Pearl
Harbor December seventh, we end up entering the war full boar. Now,
when we did, we saved all of those countries. Now,
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remember there were the Allies, and there was the Axis.
The Allies represented by Churchill for the United Kingdom and Europe,
Roosevelt and eventually Truman, but Fdr for us. And who
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was the third member of the Allies. Who was that?
Oh yeah, that brutal dictator Stalin. So Stalin joined with
us in fighting off the Nazis. So Russia was one
of our the Soviet Union, That Russia was one of
our allies. Stalin, one of the world's most horrible dictators,
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was one of our allies sometimes and we have a
history of that in this country. Who our allies in
the Middle East? Oh yeah, shape mbs M not exactly
the nicest guy in the world. Yeah, we have a
history of aligning ourselves with brutal dictators when it's necessary
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to accomplish the greater good. Does that make us make
it wrong? No? So what do we do during World
War Two? We essentially save the continent? We save, We
keep the war at bay, We keep it off American
shores except for the obviously, except for Hawaii. We keep
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it off our shores. And we save the world from
the Imperial Japanese and Nazi Germany. So that allows the
Europe and of course it's not just Europe, but you know,
it's the Middle East, it's Africa, it's all of the
Indo Pacific. We save all of that. And then, because
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we are the victors, we divide the world up. We
divide it up, and we establish ourselves as the world superpower. Now,
when we do that, we don't stay in Europe. Well,
we stay in Europe because we maintain bases there, but
we don't we don't conquer the land and then take
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over the land. We turn France to the French, we
turn Belgium to the Belgium, We return Germany to the Germans.
We don't occupy it now. Yes, do we maintain basis,
We maintain bases all over the world, not just in
the EU or in Europe or Great Britain. So over
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the course of the next several decades, five decades longer,
what is the what does Europe do? Europe squanders the
civilization that we saved. They squander their economies, they squander
their culture, they squander all of that. At the same
time that we take on the North Atlantic Treaty organization,
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get it organized, we start to fund it, and we
fund it way beyond anything that they do. And during
that time period that American taxpayers are supporting NATO, what
are those countries that we saved? What are they doing? Well,
they're engaging in stupidity, utter stupidity. They do things like
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I've got a story if I can get to it today,
about free speech in the United Kingdom and how it
is dying off, the same as true for Germany, France,
a lot of places in Europe. Free speech is becoming
non existent. What the hell were we fighting for? Europe
began to allow and I'm going to use the term
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migration here. Don't get upset, but migration is the appropriate
word to use because what they allowed was they allowed
they wanted these people. They wanted all these people from
Africa and the Middle East to start swarming into their country. Now,
why would they do that, because they were great engaged
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in a great social experiment, and that social experiment was
European style socialism. Do they have a so called democratic
form of government sort of, but they're really more tending
toward a socialist government, which eventually becomes a fascist or
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a communist Marxist government. And that's the direction that Europe
has been heading. So they allow all this migration, and
they allow their cultures to start being denigrated, pushed aside,
the viscerated. This great social welfare experiment that they take
on means that the money they should have been putting
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toward their defensive posture is going to these great social experiments.
And we just keep fundeling the NATO, We just keep
fundeling them more and more money. We keep putting more
and more troops on their on their on their property,
on their in their countries in order to protect them
from expansionism from the Soviet Union. At the same time
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that they're not doing anything but engaging in the you know,
the other thing they engaged in green energy. Yes, our
our funding of NATO, our funding of their own defense
allowed them to engauge, and they took full advantage of
it and engaged in all of this great experimentation, in
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all these great social experiments that are now turning into
an utter failure and destroying their economies. So while they
so thou migration, they engage in social welfare, they start
they start all this environmental whack a doodle bull crap.
They started viscerating free speech and all the fundamental rights
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that we believe in. Then when the first time, let's
go back to twenty fourteen, when Vladimir Putin fect makes
this first move on Ukraine. Now, before that, let's even
let's talk about Ukraine for a moment. As I go
through my little diagram here, Ukraine was still is one
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of the most corrupt countries on the face of the earth.
You can go find articles from groups that study corruptness
around the country. Ukraine was. There was like some seventy
five eighty percent of the people in Ukraine thought that
most of their institutions were corrupt. You find articles in
the Guardian and some of the other European newspapers that
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talk about how corrupt even things like their National Institute
of Cancer Research turns out to be corrupt. It was
a hotbed of corruption. And in twenty fourteen, after after
Barack Obama told Mitt Romney in the election of let
me get my years right here in the election in
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twenty twelve, Oh, what do you mean, Russia's a threat? This?
You know, the nineteen sixty whatever his phrase was, the
nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties. Once their foreign policy back. Barack
Obama was an absolute wimp when it came to Vladimir Putin,
and Putin knew that. So what did Putin do? He
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moved on Crimea. He wanted Crimea because he wanted a
warm water port, and he knew that Barack Obama wouldn't
do anything, and he didn't. George Bush didn't do anything
when the fight between Georgia and so keep said, calling
the Soviet yeni. George Bush, my old boss didn't do
any thing when the war erupted between Georgia and one
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of the old Soviet satellite countries and Russia. When that
blew up, just let it. They let them fight it out.
We taught Vladimir Putin that we would not do anything. Now,
fast forward to today. What happened three years ago? Remember
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how uh Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, in their stupid way,
would get on television and say don't he would They
would tell illegal aliens coming in to this country, don't.
They would turn to Vladimir Putin on TV. They never
went to him, They never sat down at the summit,
they never had any you know, face to face meetings.
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They just told him in the television cameras don't. And
when he invaded, what did Biden do. He didn't say
to Zelenski, Hey, we'll do whatever it takes to win.
He said, We'll just give you whatever it takes, just
you know, you fight your war and we'll just keep
funding you. He just opened a checkbook and said, like
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he would to a teenage girl, here's your American Express card,
Daddy'll pay for everything. You go have fun. Now, at
the same time that that's going on, what are we doing.
We're funding NATO. Do you know what Europe is doing
while we're funding NATO and putting sanctions on Russia. They're
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buying oil and gas from Russia. So imagine that you're
in a fistfight with somebody and at the same time
that you're in a fistfight with somebody, you're reaching around
and you're putting money in their pocket so that they
can continue to fight you. That's what NATO and the
EU were doing to us. So then you come along
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and you get to where we are today, and you've
got Donald Trump, and Donald Trump says, I'm tired of
all the fighting. I'm not going to continue to fund this.
I'm going to I'm going to both parties and I'm
going to say stop it, and I'm going to negotiate
a peace agreement. And that's where we are today. It's
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Weekend with Michael Brown. Be sure in Texas where Michael
Michael to three three one zero three. Go follow me
on X at Michael Brown USA. What did Doug Murray
have to say about that? That's next? Hey, welcome back
to the Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad to have you
with me. Go follow me on EX It's at Michael
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Brown USA. So what Douglas Murray is doing here? He's
engaging in what about. He's engaging in what about? Isn't
without the about? He talks about how we believe that
Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world,
and certainly the most corrupt in Europe. Well, it is,
We've got the receipts on that. Both independent auditors and
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indeed the pro Ukraine media has ranked the nation as
one of the most corrupt in the world. He attacks
people who alleges that Zelensky is constantly buying villas and
yachts in the south of France, that the whole war's
a big money money laundry operation, and that somehow Ukraine's
war to push the Russians back is unwinnable because of
the great mine of the Russian Army. Well, no, that's
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not even being realistic. They have been very successful in
staving off the Great Russian Army, to great costs to
the Russian army and to the Russian economy. And claims
that we believe that the whole thing is a giant
waste in US taxpayer's money. Well, tell me how it's
not a waste of taxpayer money. It may or may
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not be, depending on what your position is. I think
that it may be a waste of tax payer money
in terms of what we're funding without additional funding from NATO,
which suddenly because of that blow up in the Oval
Office between Zelensky, vance Rubio, and Trump that suddenly now
Europe wants to step up. Maybe Europe's coming to its senses.
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Trump's pushing for a peace deal not out of some
misguided ideological appreciation of Putin, but out of a recognition
that America's geopolitical interest, that is, to extract American resources
from a European conflict, and the realistic fact that time
is on Russia's side, and the fact that the greater
problem is an alliance between Russia and China, and that
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if we can break that alliance and get Russia to
separate from China and somehow come to the table with
us in the long term, that's better for us. You
know what Biden did was Biden committed billions of taxpayer
dollars to what became little more than a Ukrainian campaign
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of just stalling and delaying, the inevitable, prolonging to death
and the suffering a serviceman and civilians. It's bizarre to
me that Trump trying to reach peace an understanding, which
is why I made out this stupid little chart because
it's a big chess game. But it's a serious chess
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game with serious consequences because over here on the left,
my little diagram sits the Chinese Communist Party. The existential
threat Russia is not an existential threat to us. It
may be to Europe, and Putin may indeed be a
threat to Europe. So Europe needs to step up and
do their so called fair share. But if Trump can
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broker a deal and bring the conflict to an end,
why would you oppose that? For the love of Pete,
I can't understand why you would oppose that, because doing
that breaks Russia's ties to China. As long as China
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can continue to build their ties with Russia, that puts
China in a stronger position for world domination. Does that
mean that we have to be a Putin puppet? Does
that mean we have to be supportive of Vladimir Putin? No,
what it means is we need to stop this conflict
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so that the ties between Russia and China don't become stronger.
And Murray completely disregards that, doesn't even talk about that
aspect of it. That's the shock that I had this morning,
and it just shows to me, Look, do I agree
with every single thing tactic that Trump is doing in
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terms of trying to broker a peace agreement. Well, of
course not. But then again, I don't have access to
all the intel that he does. I did it one time,
but I no longer do. But at least I understand
what the larger game is, and Douglas Murray is a
huge disappointment in not recognizing the larger game, the larger
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chess moves that are taking place here. And isn't it
interesting Nobody in the mainstream media wants to talk about
all of the money that the Europeans are putting into
Vladimir Putin's pocket by buying oil and gas from him,
at the same time that we're filling the europeans pockets
with American tax dollars to go fight a war that
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they're not doing their fair share, so they can give
me so that they can continue to engage in these
great social experiments that are failing and wrecking their economies.
I'm just frustrated that the media in this country, smart
people like Douglas Murray, keep friends of mine, don't recognize
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what the larger objective is here. Stop the war, break
the alliance between Russia and China. Tell Europe that if
you want to engage in these great social experiments. You're
welcome to do that. But if you want us to
stay in NATO, and by the way, I think that
we should, good, then you need to kick up your
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game a little bit. And if that means you've got
to cut down on your mass migration, on your social
welfare programs, on your green energy stupidity that you're engaging in,
then so be it. That's the power of America. That's
the power of our economy. That's the power of someone
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like Donald Trump who understands the three D chest that
he's playing. Why we can't comprehend that for the life
of me, I don't know, so am I wrong? I'm
going to ask you the same question I asked my
Morning audience this week. What would you do? What's your answer?
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Because when I ask friends, acquaintances, others, well, what would
you do? They look at me like I've asked them,
did you just be your pants? Tell me what you
would do. I'll be right back
The night Michael Brown joins me Here the former FEMA director.
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Talk show host Michael Brown.
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Michael Brown. I'm really happy to have you joining the
program today. So let's get started, you know, the Let's
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a little odd, at least I find it odd. I
find a little uncomfortable too. But I have in front
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of me of a piece of paper I stole from
the copy machine, and I've scribbled a diagram on it
and over here on the left on the far left
of the paper with a little arrow because I don't
have room for everything, is China. So China's way over
here on the left side of the paper, and then
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there's some waves that indicate the Pacific Ocean, and then
there's a box that says USA, and some more waves
that indicate the Atlantic Ocean. And then on the as
we get over to the right side of the paper,
up near the top is a small box that has
the United Kingdom. Below that is a larger box that
has the European Union, and then attached to the European
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Union is a small box that is marked Ukraine. And
then over here kind of attached to Ukraine is another
box on the far right side of the piece of
paper that has the word Russia. And then down the
bottom of the paper, down near the bottom of the
paper is a small box with the initials in for
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the Middle East. That's the world as I view it
right now. That's the world according to the view of
Michael Brown. Let me tell you a little bit about me.
I know that many of you who've listened to me
over almost almost twenty years, it's like eighteen and a
half nineteen years on radio. Now, many of you, because
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of what I say, what we talk about, my position
on certain issues, think you know me and that we're friends.
And some of us are literally friends in the truest
meaning of the word. Of those of us are acquaintances.
And many of you, because you've never texted me, you've
never followed me on social media, you've never engaged with
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me in any manner, email or otherwise, we don't know
each other at all. Yet you have the benefit of
knowing a lot about me. You can easily go Google
my name, you can go it, you can, and you
can find a ton of information about me. By the way,
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I would caution you if you do that, particularly if
you go read certain sites. What you read about me
is blatantly false, is a blatant lie. And and I
have attempted over the course of the past twenty years
since I left government, since I'm no longer the under
Secretary of Homeland Security, I've made attempts to correct many
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of those things, and many of the things I just
I give up you just no matter what I do.
I'll give you an example, and no go around looking
at it right now, because that's not the purpose. But
if you were to look at the at the Wikipedia
entry about me, one of the photographs older than hell.
I've certainly aged since then, and there are a lot
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of there's a lot of entries in that Wikipedia page
that are just absolutely untrue. And despite either me trying
to correct the record, or me hiring lawyers to correct
the record, of me hiring hiring you know, firms to
go in that you know, claim that they can clean
up your Wikipedia page, there are people who watch that
page who will never make a change, who will never
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allow a change to be made to it. And even Wikipedia,
and I have looked at it in ages, but even
Wikipedia announces near the top that this article has many
inconsistencies or in accuracies, and you know, proceed with caution
if you will. So I wanted to tell tell you
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a little bit about myself now, not not a lot
of detail, but some generalities. And the reason I am
doing this is because this morning I woke up and
of course I've got show prep that I've done for
you know, for the week and I've got show prep
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that I did for this weekend program. So I got
this whole stylish a stack show prep that I'm ready
to do. I say, stack. It's some stacks, but it's
mostly if you listen to me, you know, I mostly
work from a computer off of Microsoft word Document, and
then I've got about three browsers open with tabs open
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that I've marked up stories you know that I've highlighted,
and when I walk through. Ever since I was a kid,
and I'm the oldest of three siblings, and of course
i'm you know, of course I'm the smartest, and I'm
the bravest, and I always got my way. I always
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laugh about that because the oldest child is always the favorite, right,
you know, the oldest child always gets his way. The
younger brothers and siblings are always blah blah blah blah.
But I find it funny because my personality is one
that I normally I shouldn't say normally, but I often
do get my way. I have that. I think I
have that kind of personality. And then throughout high school
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and college, I was a debater, so I've always engaged
in arguments, and I've always learned how to debate, how
to be persuasive, how to take both sides of an issue,
look at the other side, understand. And then my professional
career I ended up obviously, you know, with a degree
in political science excuse me, and public administration, went on
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to get up my juris doctorate, and you know, past
the bar exam, became a member of numerous bar associations
around the country, got admitted to the U. S. Supreme Court,
and a bunch of other federal and court appelate courts
around the country. And so my life has always been
whether it be in a courtroom, it be in my
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private life, my personal life, my professional life, whatever it was,
has always been one of communication, persuasion, argument, debating, you know, whatever,
you know. Take for example, I often, or didn't often,
but for several year years was involved in labor negotiations.
And I've been on both sides of the table. I've
negotiated labor contracts on behalf of police and fire departments,
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and I've negotiated labor contracts on behalf of municipalities against
or with police and fire departments. I've debated or negotiated
all sorts of agreements. I've spent a lot of time
in South America debating the purchase of huge industrial equipment
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on behalf of different entities that were, you know, creating
hydro electric power dams. So it's always been a lifestyle
or a life of professionalism, even in my personal life.
That drives my wife crazy. I hope she's not listening
right now. But oftentimes I have to use persuasion to
get my way. Don't always I don't always win, it's surprising.
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So I've learned to take the NX. I've learned to
take the ups and downs, and I've learned to understand
that no matter what you do in life, if you
approach life with always wanting to please everyone or always
thinking that you're always going to get your way, then
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you're never going to be happy and you're never going
to satisfy everyone. And so you stake out your positions,
always being willing to change your positions if necessary in
order to maybe advance your cause. I say all of
that because I want you to understand that anything that
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we have talked about, or that you've listened to me
talk about over the past, however long you've been listening
to me, either on the weekend program or the weekday program,
that I'm pretty persistent. I woke up this morning and
I read an article on the Free Press. The Free
Press is one of those online subscriptions that I have
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because I believe that Barry Weiss is a former reporter
for the New York Times, and she started the Free
Press because she quit and got fired all the same
time from the New York Times, and she wanted a
new She's part of the new media. And Barry Weiss
is not someone that I would say is a diehard
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conservative like I am. She's not a right wing nut
job like I am. But nor is she really a
dumb ass left wing Marxist communist crazy job. She's really
trying to be a journalist. And the Free Press presents
a lot of differing alternate points of view. I woke
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up this morning and someone that I've got a lot
of respect for and someone that I have often read
and studied and probably quoted on programs, probably used sound
bites from him, has and it's Douglas Murray. Douglas Murray,
I think is one of the greatest thinkers of our time.
And Douglas Murray has a story about how those who
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support Trump are entirely wrong about Ukraine, that everything that
we believe is wrong. And as I read through this,
I actually got angry because I thought, you're distorting you
are Not only are you distorting, but you're outright lying
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about certain things, and it really irritates me. And you're missing,
I think, to all due respect to mister Murray, you're
missing the larger picture about what's going on, which is
why I drew out this stupid little diagram of the
world because I want to walk through my view of
the world right now, and I want to do that
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in the context of what Douglas Murray writes, because what
Douglas Murray writes, I think misses the larger picture. It's
the Weekend with Michael Brown. Text the word Michael Michael
to three three one zero three. Go follow me on
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right back. Hey, welcome back to the Weekend with Michael Brown.
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Really glad to have you with me. Sincerely, am glad
to have you with me. So we're talking about let
me tell you why I'm stunned. I'm truly stunned by
this article by Douglas Murray because I do think he's
one of the best thinkers in the world. But when
he starts attacking. Now, yes, did I take this article personally?
I did, And that's my first and that is a mistake.
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I should not take this personally. He didn't write this
article about me anymore than he wrote it about you,
but he does take on those of us who support
what Donald Trump is generally trying to do with regard
to the battle, the absolute horrific war going on between
Ukraine and Russia. And the reason I take offense to
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it is because it completely ignores, in my humble opinion,
it totally ignores that the greater threat to world peace,
an existential threat to this country, an existential threat to
our lifestyle, an existential way to our way of living,
is the Chinese Communist Party. It is the greater threat
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to world peace, not world peace, world peace. And Chi
Jing Ping, who is a horrific abuser of human rights?
Is you want to call somebody like Hitler chi Jing
Ping who is engaged in ethnic cleansing. Now you can
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make to some degree the same argument for Vladimir Putin.
But because I support the efforts to bring about an
end to the war between Ukraine and Russia does not
make me a supporter of Vladimir Putin. As I've said
numerous times, I've told you that I know personally one
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of Putin's former defense ministers Choi Goo sat across the
table from him and working out a treaty one time
in a tent out in the middle of nowhere, out
in the countryside outside Saint Petersburg, Russia. And I have
to tell you, the guy gave me the creeps. Look,
just tell you the truth. He was a He was
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just the kind of person that you looked at and
knew that you were dealing with someone who is probably
in addition to a war zone, probably outside a war zone,
has killed a lot of people in his lot. And
here I am. You know, I'm not a bodybuilder, I'm
not a WWE wrestler. I think I'm in good shape.
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But he could have taken me out in the heartbeat.
And here I am. I'm sitting there negotiating with him.
And because I know him, does that make me a
supporter of what they stand for?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
No?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
But you don't get much higher in Putin's cabinet than
his defense minister. Now, Showy Go's out. Now Putin kicked
him out. Oh, he's still involved in the inner circle,
but he's no longer the defense minister because Putin didn't
like the way he was conducting the war because Putin
wants to. I mean, Putin's engaged in the killing of civilians,
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He's engaged in war crimes. But does that mean I
mean that gets us to Douglas Murray's point that somehow
those who support Donald Trump are pro Putin because of
our refusal to side with the globalists who are attempting
to expand NATO, expand the European Union, and are demanding
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that EU and NATO step up and start doing your
part in this war because American taxpayers have been carrying
the burden for years now, and in fact, not not
just carrying the burden for years now in terms of
this particular war, but carrying the burden toward Ukraine. Does
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any of that make us supporters of Vladimir Putin? No,
it does not. And I want to give you an
example of because apparently some people who support Putin are
more equal than others. I give you Bill Clinton.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Mister Putin has got he got all.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
He's very smart, better than most people. Yeah, what was
he like behind closed doors, away from you know, those
sort of the public utterances.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Smart and remarkably, we had a really good, blunt relationship,
help blunt, brutally blunt in a fist. No, but I
think you know, I think the strategy most of the
time is but it's frustrating to people in your line
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of work. You should be brutally honest with people in private,
and then if you want them to help, you try
to avoid embarrassing them in public. Now, sometimes they do
things which make it impossible for you to keep quiet.
But by and large, I found all the people I
dealt with appreciated it if I told them the truth,
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how I'd honestly felt, and what our interests were and
what our objectives were. And they also appreciated it when
I didn't kick them around in public for as long
as I couldn't kick him around. So you know, that's
my experience.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And Diputin ever reneged on a personal agreement he made
to you, he did not, so behind closed doors he
could be trusted.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
He kept his word, mister put Oh. So when Bill
Clinton says that he trusted Putin and they had a
great relationship, why Bill Clinton is a political genius. Trump
does exactly the same thing, and somehow he's a Russian puppet.
And I support what Trump's trying to do to bring
an end to this slaughter, this absolute slaughter going on,
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and somehow I'm a Putin supporter. Now I know that
Douglas Murray doesn't know me, he doesn't care about me,
but that's that's what he's saying to all of us
who want to see this war brought to an end.
Before we go into the specifics of what Douglas Murray wrote,
I want to go to my little chart that I've written.
It's got the United States, the United Kingdom, EU, Ukraine, Russia,
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the Middle East and China on this piece of paper,
and I want you to think about relationships, and I
want you to think about what this country has done
for some of those other countries around the World's The
Weekend with Michael Brown. Text the word Michael Michael to
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Speaker 2 (18:01):
Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA director of
talk show host Michael Brown.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Brownie, No, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The Weekend with Michael Brown.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Hey, you're listening to the Weekend with Michael Brown, broadcasting
live from Denver, Colorado, and I really do appreciate you
tuning in. If you want to send me a text message,
the number one in your message app is three three
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best place to do it is on ex formerly Twitter,
and that's at Michael Brown USA. So Fore, historians, this
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is going to be probably a little dune down for you,
So I apologize, and I probably will miss some salient points,
but I'm going to give you an overall perspective of
where we've been and where we are, because when I
look at my stupid little schematic that I have here
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in front of me, let's go back to World War Two. Now,
why do we call those those men that fought in
World War Two and the women who supported them, either
domestically at home or by being, you know, putting rivets
in planes? Why do we call them America's Greatest generation?
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Because not only were they fighting a world war that
was going to determine whether or not we were going
to live in a free and open society or we
were going to live under the heavy fist of communism,
either Nazi Germany or the Imperial Japanese. And they did
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everything they sacrificed like we cannot even possibly imagine. And
it's the second time we've done it. And when we
did it, before we even entered the war, we were
already supporting Great Britain through the lind Lease program. We
were shipping arms and supplies like we are right now
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with Ukraine over to Great Britain in order to stave
off Adolf Hitler. And we had eventually, because of Pearl
Harbor December seventh, we end up entering the war full boar. Now,
when we did, we saved all of those countries. Now,
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remember there were the Allies, and there was the Axis.
The Allies represented by Churchill for the United Kingdom and Europe,
Roosevelt and eventually Truman, but Fdr for us. And who
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was the third member of the Allies. Who was that?
Oh yeah, that brutal dictator Stalin. So Stalin joined with
us in fighting off the Nazis. So Russia was one
of our the Soviet Union, That Russia was one of
our allies. Stalin, one of the world's most horrible dictators,
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was one of our allies sometimes and we have a
history of that in this country. Who our allies in
the Middle East? Oh yeah, shape mbs M not exactly
the nicest guy in the world. Yeah, we have a
history of aligning ourselves with brutal dictators when it's necessary
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to accomplish the greater good. Does that make us make
it wrong? No? So what do we do during World
War Two? We essentially save the continent? We save, We
keep the war at bay, We keep it off American
shores except for the obviously, except for Hawaii. We keep
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it off our shores. And we save the world from
the Imperial Japanese and Nazi Germany. So that allows the
Europe and of course it's not just Europe, but you know,
it's the Middle East, it's Africa, it's all of the
Indo Pacific. We save all of that. And then, because
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we are the victors, we divide the world up. We
divide it up, and we establish ourselves as the world superpower. Now,
when we do that, we don't stay in Europe. Well,
we stay in Europe because we maintain bases there, but
we don't we don't conquer the land and then take
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over the land. We turn France to the French, we
turn Belgium to the Belgium, We return Germany to the Germans.
We don't occupy it now. Yes, do we maintain basis,
We maintain bases all over the world, not just in
the EU or in Europe or Great Britain. So over
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the course of the next several decades, five decades longer,
what is the what does Europe do? Europe squanders the
civilization that we saved. They squander their economies, they squander
their culture, they squander all of that. At the same
time that we take on the North Atlantic Treaty organization,
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get it organized, we start to fund it, and we
fund it way beyond anything that they do. And during
that time period that American taxpayers are supporting NATO, what
are those countries that we saved? What are they doing? Well,
they're engaging in stupidity, utter stupidity. They do things like
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I've got a story if I can get to it today,
about free speech in the United Kingdom and how it
is dying off, the same as true for Germany, France,
a lot of places in Europe. Free speech is becoming
non existent. What the hell were we fighting for? Europe
began to allow and I'm going to use the term
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migration here. Don't get upset, but migration is the appropriate
word to use because what they allowed was they allowed
they wanted these people. They wanted all these people from
Africa and the Middle East to start swarming into their country. Now,
why would they do that, because they were great engaged
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in a great social experiment, and that social experiment was
European style socialism. Do they have a so called democratic
form of government sort of, but they're really more tending
toward a socialist government, which eventually becomes a fascist or
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a communist Marxist government. And that's the direction that Europe
has been heading. So they allow all this migration, and
they allow their cultures to start being denigrated, pushed aside,
the viscerated. This great social welfare experiment that they take
on means that the money they should have been putting
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toward their defensive posture is going to these great social experiments.
And we just keep fundeling the NATO, We just keep
fundeling them more and more money. We keep putting more
and more troops on their on their on their property,
on their in their countries in order to protect them
from expansionism from the Soviet Union. At the same time
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that they're not doing anything but engaging in the you know,
the other thing they engaged in green energy. Yes, our
our funding of NATO, our funding of their own defense
allowed them to engauge, and they took full advantage of
it and engaged in all of this great experimentation, in
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all these great social experiments that are now turning into
an utter failure and destroying their economies. So while they
so thou migration, they engage in social welfare, they start
they start all this environmental whack a doodle bull crap.
They started viscerating free speech and all the fundamental rights
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that we believe in. Then when the first time, let's
go back to twenty fourteen, when Vladimir Putin fect makes
this first move on Ukraine. Now, before that, let's even
let's talk about Ukraine for a moment. As I go
through my little diagram here, Ukraine was still is one
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of the most corrupt countries on the face of the earth.
You can go find articles from groups that study corruptness
around the country. Ukraine was. There was like some seventy
five eighty percent of the people in Ukraine thought that
most of their institutions were corrupt. You find articles in
the Guardian and some of the other European newspapers that
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talk about how corrupt even things like their National Institute
of Cancer Research turns out to be corrupt. It was
a hotbed of corruption. And in twenty fourteen, after after
Barack Obama told Mitt Romney in the election of let
me get my years right here in the election in
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twenty twelve, Oh, what do you mean, Russia's a threat? This?
You know, the nineteen sixty whatever his phrase was, the
nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties. Once their foreign policy back. Barack
Obama was an absolute wimp when it came to Vladimir Putin,
and Putin knew that. So what did Putin do? He
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moved on Crimea. He wanted Crimea because he wanted a
warm water port, and he knew that Barack Obama wouldn't
do anything, and he didn't. George Bush didn't do anything
when the fight between Georgia and so keep said, calling
the Soviet yeni. George Bush, my old boss didn't do
any thing when the war erupted between Georgia and one
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of the old Soviet satellite countries and Russia. When that
blew up, just let it. They let them fight it out.
We taught Vladimir Putin that we would not do anything. Now,
fast forward to today. What happened three years ago? Remember
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how uh Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, in their stupid way,
would get on television and say don't he would They
would tell illegal aliens coming in to this country, don't.
They would turn to Vladimir Putin on TV. They never
went to him, They never sat down at the summit,
they never had any you know, face to face meetings.
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They just told him in the television cameras don't. And
when he invaded, what did Biden do. He didn't say
to Zelenski, Hey, we'll do whatever it takes to win.
He said, We'll just give you whatever it takes, just
you know, you fight your war and we'll just keep
funding you. He just opened a checkbook and said, like
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he would to a teenage girl, here's your American Express card,
Daddy'll pay for everything. You go have fun. Now, at
the same time that that's going on, what are we doing.
We're funding NATO. Do you know what Europe is doing
while we're funding NATO and putting sanctions on Russia. They're
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buying oil and gas from Russia. So imagine that you're
in a fistfight with somebody and at the same time
that you're in a fistfight with somebody, you're reaching around
and you're putting money in their pocket so that they
can continue to fight you. That's what NATO and the
EU were doing to us. So then you come along
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and you get to where we are today, and you've
got Donald Trump, and Donald Trump says, I'm tired of
all the fighting. I'm not going to continue to fund this.
I'm going to I'm going to both parties and I'm
going to say stop it, and I'm going to negotiate
a peace agreement. And that's where we are today. It's
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Weekend with Michael Brown. Be sure in Texas where Michael
Michael to three three one zero three. Go follow me
on X at Michael Brown USA. What did Doug Murray
have to say about that? That's next? Hey, welcome back
to the Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad to have you
with me. Go follow me on EX It's at Michael
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Brown USA. So what Douglas Murray is doing here? He's
engaging in what about. He's engaging in what about? Isn't
without the about? He talks about how we believe that
Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world,
and certainly the most corrupt in Europe. Well, it is,
We've got the receipts on that. Both independent auditors and
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indeed the pro Ukraine media has ranked the nation as
one of the most corrupt in the world. He attacks
people who alleges that Zelensky is constantly buying villas and
yachts in the south of France, that the whole war's
a big money money laundry operation, and that somehow Ukraine's
war to push the Russians back is unwinnable because of
the great mine of the Russian Army. Well, no, that's
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not even being realistic. They have been very successful in
staving off the Great Russian Army, to great costs to
the Russian army and to the Russian economy. And claims
that we believe that the whole thing is a giant
waste in US taxpayer's money. Well, tell me how it's
not a waste of taxpayer money. It may or may
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not be, depending on what your position is. I think
that it may be a waste of tax payer money
in terms of what we're funding without additional funding from NATO,
which suddenly because of that blow up in the Oval
Office between Zelensky, vance Rubio, and Trump that suddenly now
Europe wants to step up. Maybe Europe's coming to its senses.
(32:01):
Trump's pushing for a peace deal not out of some
misguided ideological appreciation of Putin, but out of a recognition
that America's geopolitical interest, that is, to extract American resources
from a European conflict, and the realistic fact that time
is on Russia's side, and the fact that the greater
problem is an alliance between Russia and China, and that
(32:24):
if we can break that alliance and get Russia to
separate from China and somehow come to the table with
us in the long term, that's better for us. You
know what Biden did was Biden committed billions of taxpayer
dollars to what became little more than a Ukrainian campaign
(32:46):
of just stalling and delaying, the inevitable, prolonging to death
and the suffering a serviceman and civilians. It's bizarre to
me that Trump trying to reach peace an understanding, which
is why I made out this stupid little chart because
it's a big chess game. But it's a serious chess
(33:07):
game with serious consequences because over here on the left,
my little diagram sits the Chinese Communist Party. The existential
threat Russia is not an existential threat to us. It
may be to Europe, and Putin may indeed be a
threat to Europe. So Europe needs to step up and
do their so called fair share. But if Trump can
(33:31):
broker a deal and bring the conflict to an end,
why would you oppose that? For the love of Pete,
I can't understand why you would oppose that, because doing
that breaks Russia's ties to China. As long as China
(33:52):
can continue to build their ties with Russia, that puts
China in a stronger position for world domination. Does that
mean that we have to be a Putin puppet? Does
that mean we have to be supportive of Vladimir Putin? No,
what it means is we need to stop this conflict
(34:13):
so that the ties between Russia and China don't become stronger.
And Murray completely disregards that, doesn't even talk about that
aspect of it. That's the shock that I had this morning,
and it just shows to me, Look, do I agree
with every single thing tactic that Trump is doing in
(34:34):
terms of trying to broker a peace agreement. Well, of
course not. But then again, I don't have access to
all the intel that he does. I did it one time,
but I no longer do. But at least I understand
what the larger game is, and Douglas Murray is a
huge disappointment in not recognizing the larger game, the larger
(34:54):
chess moves that are taking place here. And isn't it
interesting Nobody in the mainstream media wants to talk about
all of the money that the Europeans are putting into
Vladimir Putin's pocket by buying oil and gas from him,
at the same time that we're filling the europeans pockets
with American tax dollars to go fight a war that
(35:16):
they're not doing their fair share, so they can give
me so that they can continue to engage in these
great social experiments that are failing and wrecking their economies.
I'm just frustrated that the media in this country, smart
people like Douglas Murray, keep friends of mine, don't recognize
(35:40):
what the larger objective is here. Stop the war, break
the alliance between Russia and China. Tell Europe that if
you want to engage in these great social experiments. You're
welcome to do that. But if you want us to
stay in NATO, and by the way, I think that
we should, good, then you need to kick up your
(36:03):
game a little bit. And if that means you've got
to cut down on your mass migration, on your social
welfare programs, on your green energy stupidity that you're engaging in,
then so be it. That's the power of America. That's
the power of our economy. That's the power of someone
(36:25):
like Donald Trump who understands the three D chest that
he's playing. Why we can't comprehend that for the life
of me, I don't know, so am I wrong? I'm
going to ask you the same question I asked my
Morning audience this week. What would you do? What's your answer?
(36:51):
Because when I ask friends, acquaintances, others, well, what would
you do? They look at me like I've asked them,
did you just be your pants? Tell me what you
would do. I'll be right back
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