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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am just wondering if you saw the fraud and
abuse that DOGE is uncovering in the Social Security Administration,
all the Social Security numbers that are being used by
illegal immigrants, illegal aliens that are here using our benefits,
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spending our task payer money.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's fantastic. Not only is it fantastic, but that's in
my pos and I obviously I'm not probably not going
to get to it today, but it's even worse than
you think it is. Yeah, they're also not only are
they getting benefits, but there there are some ulterior motives
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for that too. Speaking of my posh, I got a
pos that I want you to listen to real quickly
before I get back to proxy voting, because I really
do want you to understand the proxy voting thing, because
I think it's much more important. I think people who
are glossing over it are missing are missing the entire point.
We started this whole program out today talking about not
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started out, but we got to the fact that we
have a republican small r form of government, and representative
democracy requires that you be there to participate. But how
can you have a representative democracy when you've got on TikTok?
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Someone by the name of at Purple People. Person one
she I want to describe so you can understand the perspective.
She's she's white, and I do think it's a she.
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She has a nosering. You know, what's that little thing
between your nose and your upper lip? What's that thing
called that little indentation? There's a name for that.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
What is that? Huh? Le bray comes to my mind,
but I'm not sure if that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
The bray like the brach hartpits in California. Is that
what it is? I don't know. Whatever that little thing
is between your nostrils and your upper lip. Hers is
pretty long, but she has a nos ering that comes
out of both nostrils and comes all the way down
and actually just crosses the upper part of her upper lip.
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And she's got these horn rimmed kind of black glasses on.
They look like a nice pair of glasses she's got. Actually,
when you look, when you just isolate her eye, she
has really kind of beautiful green eyes. But she's just
otherwise kind of probably not Dragon's type, nor mine. Probably
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more Kelly's type when I think about it, Probably more
Kelly's type. She's not even listening to me. But here's
here's her TikTok that she posted, uh not yesterday March
thirty first, So it's not a naple fool's joke.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
March thirty first, twenty twenty five. I am a fifty
eight year old adult, humid female. I am formally making
my proclamation exclamation right now to you. I will no
longer be associating with any white males of any kind.
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It does not matter if liberal or conservative, It does
not matter what color hair, eyes. As long as the
skid is white and it is a male, I will
not be associating with it anymore. The symbols a symbolism, symbolism,
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symbolism of a white male has become to you epitome.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Of hate. For some reason, has become the epitome of hate.
Uh cymbal symbolimbo symbol a symbols, simbal symbols, symbolism. Yeah,
that's the word I'm looking for. That's who you get
elected to Congress to represent. So you need to be
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there if you're gonna actually represent them. So let's go
back to this.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I just want to clarify a real she's got the
septum piercing, So that's between the nose, So between one
nostril to the other nostril, and it's just a large
circular ring. That's that's hanging.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It actually goes through.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, And that that's hanging down low enough to where
it's almost touching her bottom lip. Yes, it's not one
of a little cute, little dainty ones. No, no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
This is a big This is a big honk like
you could you could hook it to a car and pull.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Like you see when you when you like old school
cartoons and movies, you get bulls, bulls when they get
those little those those piercings to the nose. That that's
that's what she's got.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Yew.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Let me ask you honestly, now, are you putting this
up on the website?
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I mean, I've got it here, so might as well,
Michael says, go here dot com.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Okay, because because I'm just curious, did you before you
knew she was fifty eight years old? Did you think
she was fifty eight years old?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
From just a still image here? From the one that
one video? Nah, she's clearly dyed her hair, right, that's
not her natural hair, thick skin. She looks pretty good,
I'd say.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I don't think she's attractive. Don't get me wrong, I
don't think she's attractive at all, true, but the subparts
like she really has If you just look at the eyes,
she actually has very.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Gorgeous eye right, they're beautiful blue. Right.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I thought they were green a mic computer. They look green.
That's pretty weird. But then she has this perfect white skin.
There's not a blemish anywhere, not like you and me.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Blemish's two old ugly dogs.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
We're just We're just one giant blemish. But then she
starts talking to You're.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Like, oh, oh, never mind.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, dragon, to get that up. I just want you
to know that they live among us. So why are
we having this push for proxy voting? And why are conservatives,
particularly the Maga crowd, with which I consider me to
be a part of. Why are so many in the
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Maga crowd all upset that this blew up yesterday? They
actually shut down Congress yesterday over this issue. And while yes,
they've wasted a day and a half because they don't
work on Friday's, people they don't they no, no, no, no,
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no no no. They work part of Monday, they work Tuesday, Wednesday,
and usually a part of Thursday, then try to get
out a out of town on Thursday night. Well, that right,
there is a reason why you don't want proxy voting.
So this idea was to allow new parents to vote
remotely from up to twelve weeks after you had a kid.
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If passed, it would it would put into the House
rules the principle that physical absence from your job is
compatible with the exercise of legislative power. And I maintained
that it is simply not true because one serving in
Congress is not a right. I've outlined in the previous
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hour if you're listening on the podcast, I outline all
of the reasons the conditions that you have to not all,
but generally speaking to become a member of the House
of Representatives. Now, those requirements are not arbitrary arbitrary expectations.
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Those expectations are the logical outcome of a system in
which one person is task with representing hundreds of thousands
of people who cannot themselves be present. That's why we're
a republic. We elect you to represent us. And representation
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is a matter of presence being there, just like the
movie being there. It's a matter of you have to
deliberate and deliberation demands that you be engaged, not just
casting a vote, but you participate in debates, hearings, amendments, negotiations,
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hallway conversations, dinner meetings, you know, lunches, everything, everything that
makes the c span feed but often actually determines the
shape of a law. Now, the argument from tradition is
not a week is not a week argument? For more
than two centuries, every floor vote in the House has
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required you be present. Proxy voting was prohibited in committee
work under Speaker Genrich for a very good reason because
it led to abuses, it allowed absenteeism to flourish, and
it weakened the integrity of the House. So how do
we get to this point? Well, if for no other reason,
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you need to remember that Speaker Nancy Pelosi resurrected the
practice during the pandemic, and indeed those circumstances were exceptional.
But I still don't think it should have even been done.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Then.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Look, during the pandemic, if I were considered an essential
employee and I was required to show up for work,
what the f is a member of the United States
Congress but an essential employee. But no, they wanted to
weigh and they wanted to waive it for a particular reason,
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which I'll get to in just a minute. Now. I
know you may think that this is killing this dead horse, because, oh,
come on, Michael, we got technology that's capable of safeguarding
the vote. We can maintain the voting security, checks the
voting vote, looks over his shoulder at the voting booth
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and laughs. Really maintains security so that members can stay
home or go on vacation and participate from afar. No,
but capability, the ability to have proxy voting is not
the measure that we use about whether or not we
should have proxy voting. It's about integrity. And integrity of
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representative democracy of a republic is compromised when legislative power
is exercised and there's no accountability in person. Voting is public.
We can see it. It's concrete. They stand up, they
walk to the well. They cast their votes before the house,
they cast their votes before the nation, they cast their
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votes before c span. It's not symbolism, it's substance. It
is how we know they're doing their job. Not just
holding the title, but proxy voting. Here's where I really
get ticked off. It creates all sorts of practical and
philosophical problems. If one member can cast another member's vote,
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could they cast three votes?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Ten?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
What about the inevitable political pressure? Who decides whose vote
is counted? When proxy directions conflict with floor debate outcomes.
You're not there? Do we have to wait for you
to call and track you down because you're on your
vacation in the Seychelle Islands? And because you're in the
Seychelles or you're in Tahiti, or you're you know, god
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knows where, or you're up in the Indian Peaks wilderness,
and we don't have very good sales service and we
have to we have to find what we got to
call DHS or the CIA or NSSAY or somebody and
make sure you've got a sat phone when you go
on vacation so we can find out how to hey this.
And things have change. There's been an amendment. Do you
really want to turn over your for example, now in Colorade,
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it's a hard example, but let's let's say that. Let's
say we had two Republican US senators. Do you want
to turn your vote for your senators over to?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Let's make it reasonable. A Republican senator from Wyoming. No,
I don't want the guy that got voted elected in
Wyoming casting my ballot for a Republican senator in Colorado.
And I certainly don't want a Democrat because they happen
to be and they trust each other. Oh, you'll still
vote the way I want you to. I don't want
that to occur. Who decides which voters counted When the
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proxy directions conflict with how the floor debate has turned
out on amendments, for example, what it does is transform
proxy voting would transform the House into a ghost legislature.
And I guarantee an to you, a lot of them
wouldn't show up. They'd find every excuse what I got
to go home early. Now, let's think about some of
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the practical things. Well, it just had a baby, Michael
and I got to stay home. You live in d
C most of the time anyway, so you you're gonna
get If you were working in a real job, you
might take a couple of days off. You might even
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take a week off. Okay, at some point you start
going back to work. Twelve weeks. I know in the
private sector some people get twelve weeks. Family medical eve right,
get twelve week get three months off. I've seen men
here do that, and I think, why am I? Why
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am I paying? I'm beyond the child Well I'm not,
but Tamor is beyond the child bearing abilities.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Why why?
Speaker 6 (14:29):
Why?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Why would I take twelve weeks off? But it also
underminds equality. It assumes that certain circumstances, parenthood, illness, travel,
all that justifies absenteeism, while other things do not justify absenteeism.
What about dealing with constituents after a natural disaster. So
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North Carolina gets hit by Hurricane Helene, and so the
congressman wants to stay home and help take care of
his constituents, But so he turns over his voting to
somebody from South Carolina. There's always going to be an excuse.
And I'm not trying to minimize the importance of family.
I'm not going to belittle the challenges of parenthood. I've
been through it myself twice. But those facts, important as
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they are, don't redefine the job. Members who choose to
expand their families while in office. Yes, we should support them,
but not at the cost of eroding a constitutional institution.
In other words, the solution is not to lower the
demands of the office, but instead those who sought the
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office is for you to figure out a way to
rearrange your life around the known demands of the job
that you voluntarily sought. And also, this is not a
lifelong career. It should not be a lifelong career. It's
actually it's term limited in the sense that you could
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be voted out every time two years. It's Ecclesiastes again,
there's a time for everything under the sun, perhaps twelve
weeks of new parent who it is not the time
to be serving in Congress. Do accidents happen, Yes, most
people choose to have children, most people work to have children.
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But there's a deeper reason for you to be present.
And it's not just procedural, it's philosophical. And that is
this a Republican form of government depends on not just
not just on casting votes, but on the visible, tangible
engagement of the people that we send to represent us.
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This isn't some thought experience experiment, and Congress is not
a think tank. It's a room, a physical room where
your presence matters because people matter. The Republic is not
operated by an algorithm, not by video links not by teens,
not by Skype, which is going away, but by men
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and women showing up, standing up, speaking up, doing the
job of actually representing us. Foxy voting is just trying
to skirt your responsibilities.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Michael, I am not a white male.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
I'm of a different ethnic group descendant. Am I allowed
to pass? I mean, we're not condemned to have to
deal with that now that she's refused. White guys right,
please tell me I don't have to.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
No, you do?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
You do?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
In fact, all white males should just go off themselves
because uh, purple people eater whatever it was number one,
or people purple people persons whatever. One on TikTok says, So,
so it's done. This story intrigues me. It occurred in Georgia,
but the best reporting on it, I think came from
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a talk show out of Houston, Fox twenty six, the
Fox affiliate out of Houston. Have you heard the story
about the father? Single father, I forget how many kids
for maybe is out of work, gets a job interview,
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takes his kids to the McDonald's the oldest is ten
years old, I think, and leaves them at the McDonald's. Well,
he runs to the job interview.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
Ready a job interview ends badly for a man named Georgia.
Chris Lewis was arrested March twenty second. Police say he
left his kids in a McDonald's by themselves while he
went to an interview for a job. He reportedly told
police he did not have a car and lived nearby.
Lewis said instead of making his three kids, who are one, six,
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and ten years old, walk home alone, he decided to
make them stay in the restaurant. There's been a lot
an ongoing debate about this. If we can hold that's
a gravity for me, A lot of debate about this.
On the Isaiah Factor Instagram page. We asked what was
the appropriate age for kids to be left unattended? Forty
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one percent say ten to twelve, thirty nine percent say
thirteen to fifteen, and twenty percent say sixteen years and uh.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
So he had a one to six and a ten
year old? Uh what's the appropriate age for a child
to be left unsupervised? I would phrase it slightly different,
At what age can you leave a child to take
care of the other two children a one year old
and six year old. In this survey out of Houston,
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the Fox affiliate, forty one percent said ten to twelve
years old, thirty nine percent said thirteen fifteen, and then
twenty percent said you need to be sixteen years old.
What do you think it is?
Speaker 8 (20:05):
I guess they're here on the factor On sensor to
talk about this. We had with us Davenport case manager
J Bailey, therapist, doctor Bernadette Smith, and parent Matilda Seregho.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
So glad to have you all on the factor On.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
Since it so, Matilda, let's begin with you as a parent,
your thoughts about this situation.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
Well, I mean, first and foremost, I feel there's still
a lot of missing information for me to make that
full assessment, like what was the length of time they
were left alone? Were they inside of the McDonald's, were
they in the car? Can you clarify that for me
really quickly.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
What we know is he was there from fourth the
kids were there from four point thirty, He returned at
six eighteen, and then the mother was on the way
as well. But we don't know if she was called
by police or him after the fact, or if she
was on the way anyway. So, like you said, there
are still a lot.
Speaker 9 (20:54):
Of unanswering question, correct, I feel like at some point
we encouraged the community to stay vigil and report these incidents,
and I feel like that's what they did. But at
the end of it all, like what was the backstory
to it? Did he intentionally just go in there to
leave an application and they asked them to stay for
an interview and it prolonged the waiting period for the children.
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You know, were they inside or outside? Temperatures? Like, what
was the damaging if they were inside of the public setting,
was it a safe setting? You know, there were so
many things that we could still try to figure out
in order to rectify or remedy this situation.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
What I like about this woman is she's not willing
to instantly judge. She's a mother and she's like, you know,
here's a guy trying to get a job. He leaves
the kids inside of McDonald's. I need to know, like
how long were they there inside? Outside? What was the temperature?
What was the dangerous Is it a safe place or
not a safe place? Safe area? Not a safe area?
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Was the mom you know, is she a custodial parent,
Was she on her way? Was she delayed? Did he
get delayed? I mean, they're all the different circuit. I
love the way this woman is not willing to accept
what the tem us about. Hey, this guy that just
gives the McDonald's to go to your job interview and
now that he's been arrested, Oh, it's horrible, horrible. She's
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asking all the questions that need to be asked, but
all along I want you to think about what you
think about this the smith.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
A lot of people are cautious on how they approach
this report because a lot of parents can see themselves
in a situation where you don't have someone to provide
for your children, or you can afford a babysitter and
you have to provide for them, and you cut caught
between a rock and a hard place.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
No, it's very tough, and I think that what the
story is showing is when you do not have a village,
and when you do not have means and resources to
provide for that care, what then are you doing? And
so to your question, one of the things that I
heard was that he left the kids in the playplace,
so they were playing at the McDonald's playground area. Again,
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was that maybe judgment? Who knows, but what we also
know I feel it comes from a space of desperation,
and so when you don't have the resources, when you
don't have access to a village, and you're trying to
further your family.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, let me pause her for a moment. The use
of the term village obviously tells me that this woman,
this is just my interpretation, she comes from a left
of center point of view, she comes from a liberal
point of view. It takes a village, right, Well, I
might phrase it differently. You know, we no longer have
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connections to churches, We don't have connections to even our neighbors.
We don't have connections to our immediate or extended family,
who may or may not even be present in this case,
I don't know, or where's Mom? And why wasn't mom
willing to do so? Even if even if Mom was
not a custodial parent, unless she was abusive, then of
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course you don't want her near the children, or there's
restrictive visitation of some sort. But it's not so much
this village aspect. I think it is as just the
lack of interconnectedness between all of us. And you know,
I'm a young father, I'm you know, I'm let's say
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I'm nineteen twenty years old when I was that age,
and if I found myself in this situation with three kids,
I'd probably just shoot myself. But with just with three kids,
there were a lot of places I could have turned
to and said, hey, listen, I've really got I really
need a job, and I really need somebody to come
and watch the kids for you know, I may be
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gone for two hours, I don't know, depends on how
good the interview goes. Could you come and do that?
There were a lot of people I could have reached
out to. And I'm not even talking about parents of
either of Tamer's parents or my parents, because we didn't
live near them at that time. But we had churches,
we had co workers, we had neighbors that we actually
knew we and have that anymore. I think this to
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give this social worker credit. I think she's talking about
the same thing. It's just that our language bugs me
about Well, we don't have a village anymore. No, we
just don't have a lot of connectedness anymore.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
By getting a job and doing the things in which
we're told to do in society, and then he's penalized
again being able to look at what resources can we
then provide, like for example, in Houston, there's a House
of Tiny Treasures that provides childcare for people who are
unhoused and kind of in that space.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And someone's looking for a nonprofit. You know, there are
nonprofits that provide like new shirts, coats, and ties for
men that want to go to a job interview. And
there are places that will help those homeless people, you know,
get haircuts and shower and clean up so that they
can go. And the same for women.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
How's malls there.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Are nonprofits that provide promises to teenage girls so they
can go to the prom What about somebody starting a
nonprofit for people who need to go to job interviews
that don't have access to childcare. There's an opportunity for
a business right there.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Right, Jay, Let's bring you in your thoughts on this
as an expert looking from the outside, and your thoughts
about parents who may be put in a position like
this or put themselves in a position like this, depending
on which way you're.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Looking at it.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
In this situation, I do think that we do need
more information to properly assess his opportunities and his own resources.
But I do think that it takes a village, and
so we need to call in our village when we
do need help, and you can always contact your apostle
care agencies or just any social service setting that could
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help you instead.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
And my first thought when I heard her say that
was would you trust child protective services or human services
or whatever that might be called. Hey, I'm going on
a job interview and I really need someone to come
and watch my kids. Could you come to my home
and watch my kids? Do you want a government bureaucrat
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looking inside your home? Let me tell you, Tarak keeps
our house like an operating room. It's that clean all
the time. Well except for the dogs. You got Lienberger
hair everywhere. But besides that, I really don't want a
government employee in my home while I'm gone watching my kids.
I'm really particular about who comes and watches my dogs.
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What would you do like that?
Speaker 8 (27:44):
And of course, Matilda, you a parent, you know sometimes
that help is not out there and not readily available
if you have finally you get that call, we want
to talk to you today about this job. And sometimes
it is just busy, correct and being.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
In Houston, you know, coming from Houston, we are limited
with our resources and it's a tough situation, just like
we all spoke of. He was in between the rock
and hard place, say, do I do this for my family?
Do I risk run the risk of running into CPS?
Am I going to get real roaded? And it could
be a whole bunch of all of that at the
same time happening. And it's just unfortunate. He wasn't in
the club slapping booty. He was trying to get a job,
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you know. So he was doing what he thought was
best for his family. And I hope that there's a
great outcome for him. I hope it doesn't stick and
that his children are safing place back.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
With him and doctor Smith, let's talk to you again.
What should you do if you're caught in a situation
like this? So let's look at it face value. Yeah,
we happier, welcome with you, Take them with you.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
And again, like he knows, because I'm looking at the
time frame, that's a three hour, that's three hours, So
maybe it was thirty four, You're not.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
Sorry, he was four thirty to six eighteen two hours okay.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Two hours okay?
Speaker 7 (28:59):
So that I have a five year old and sometimes
walk into the mailbox is tough, right, And so I
think that part of it then becomes when you have children,
or when you are preparing for children, to start to
identify who then are your support systems and what does
that look like. I think in this particular case, clearly
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he did not have that support system, because I know
even sometimes when I'm trying to come here, I'm like, okay,
let me find out who's gonna watch my kids. And
sometimes it doesn't always come together, because, as Matilda was saying,
it's not easy to bring your village in when you
have children.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Sometimes all right, we'll stop there. I got to take
a break anyway. So you've heard the story. You've heard
even the professional is like, sometimes I find it difficult
just to get it cause she's talking about a five
year old. Remember there was a ten year old watching
the kids. Is that okay with you? Not okay with you?
What would you have done if you had been on
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this panel, what would you have said? Text me, let
me know.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
I don't really think she's going to have a problem
steering away from white males.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I think there's a bigger issue going on there because
I don't think any normal white guy is going to
be anywhere near.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
That Master the obvious. The New York Post has a
story about this story, and apparently, let's see who is it,
it's former Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown is quoted
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the story caught me by surprise. Dad just trying to
find a way to make money for his family. I
know he shouldn't just leave his kids, but some people
don't have the means for babysitting, et cetera. And he
has started to go fund me for the money to
go directly to this father to help him, and they're
trying to raise fifty thousand dollars or something. And then,
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of course the New York Post points out that has
divided the internet. You know, yeah, it's a little iffy
on the one year old, but he was trying to
get a job, giving him a break somebody else. You
simply can't leave your kid like that. I get how
this happened, but there are plenty of questions, you know,
somebody else. Somebody says, I know, it's a desperate situation,
and then on the text line the same thing. Everybody's
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got an opinion on this, but I found the most
interesting opinion to be that of my producer, mister.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Redbeard what did I say now, But.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You told me during the break about when you were
ten years old.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Well, yeah, I was fiercely independent because at the time
my mother was trying to start up her subway franchise.
So I got myself up, got my own breakfast, made
my own lunch, made me on dinner, put myself to bed,
did my own homework, all that kind of stuff. So
as a ten year old, yeah, I would have no
problem going McDonald's and sitting there for ninety minutes being
just fine. But as for babysitting somebody else, I don't
(31:54):
know if I could have, but I did. When I
was twelve. I did babysit my younger sister who was
so I had no problem doing that.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And you raised a good question too about where was
the job interview, because was it near the McDonald's.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Right, every McDonald's i've ever seen is in a commercial area,
and so maybe the interview is right there. You can
see the McDonald's the entire time. I just, I just
my heart goes out to this guy and he got arrested.
Come on, give the guy a break.
I am just wondering if you saw the fraud and
abuse that DOGE is uncovering in the Social Security Administration,
all the Social Security numbers that are being used by
illegal immigrants, illegal aliens that are here using our benefits,
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spending our task payer money.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's fantastic. Not only is it fantastic, but that's in
my pos and I obviously I'm not probably not going
to get to it today, but it's even worse than
you think it is. Yeah, they're also not only are
they getting benefits, but there there are some ulterior motives
(00:43):
for that too. Speaking of my posh, I got a
pos that I want you to listen to real quickly
before I get back to proxy voting, because I really
do want you to understand the proxy voting thing, because
I think it's much more important. I think people who
are glossing over it are missing are missing the entire point.
We started this whole program out today talking about not
(01:04):
started out, but we got to the fact that we
have a republican small r form of government, and representative
democracy requires that you be there to participate. But how
can you have a representative democracy when you've got on TikTok?
(01:26):
Someone by the name of at Purple People. Person one
she I want to describe so you can understand the perspective.
She's she's white, and I do think it's a she.
(01:48):
She has a nosering. You know, what's that little thing
between your nose and your upper lip? What's that thing
called that little indentation? There's a name for that.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
What is that? Huh? Le bray comes to my mind,
but I'm not sure if that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
The bray like the brach hartpits in California. Is that
what it is? I don't know. Whatever that little thing
is between your nostrils and your upper lip. Hers is
pretty long, but she has a nos ering that comes
out of both nostrils and comes all the way down
and actually just crosses the upper part of her upper lip.
(02:26):
And she's got these horn rimmed kind of black glasses on.
They look like a nice pair of glasses she's got. Actually,
when you look, when you just isolate her eye, she
has really kind of beautiful green eyes. But she's just
otherwise kind of probably not Dragon's type, nor mine. Probably
(02:47):
more Kelly's type when I think about it, Probably more
Kelly's type. She's not even listening to me. But here's
here's her TikTok that she posted, uh not yesterday March
thirty first, So it's not a naple fool's joke.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
March thirty first, twenty twenty five. I am a fifty
eight year old adult, humid female. I am formally making
my proclamation exclamation right now to you. I will no
longer be associating with any white males of any kind.
(03:27):
It does not matter if liberal or conservative, It does
not matter what color hair, eyes. As long as the
skid is white and it is a male, I will
not be associating with it anymore. The symbols a symbolism, symbolism,
(03:51):
symbolism of a white male has become to you epitome.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Of hate. For some reason, has become the epitome of hate.
Uh cymbal symbolimbo symbol a symbols, simbal symbols, symbolism. Yeah,
that's the word I'm looking for. That's who you get
elected to Congress to represent. So you need to be
(04:20):
there if you're gonna actually represent them. So let's go
back to this.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I just want to clarify a real she's got the
septum piercing, So that's between the nose, So between one
nostril to the other nostril, and it's just a large
circular ring. That's that's hanging.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It actually goes through.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, And that that's hanging down low enough to where
it's almost touching her bottom lip. Yes, it's not one
of a little cute, little dainty ones. No, no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
This is a big This is a big honk like
you could you could hook it to a car and pull.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Like you see when you when you like old school
cartoons and movies, you get bulls, bulls when they get
those little those those piercings to the nose. That that's
that's what she's got.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Yew.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Let me ask you honestly, now, are you putting this
up on the website?
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I mean, I've got it here, so might as well,
Michael says, go here dot com.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Okay, because because I'm just curious, did you before you
knew she was fifty eight years old? Did you think
she was fifty eight years old?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
From just a still image here? From the one that
one video? Nah, she's clearly dyed her hair, right, that's
not her natural hair, thick skin. She looks pretty good,
I'd say.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I don't think she's attractive. Don't get me wrong, I
don't think she's attractive at all, true, but the subparts
like she really has If you just look at the eyes,
she actually has very.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Gorgeous eye right, they're beautiful blue. Right.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I thought they were green a mic computer. They look green.
That's pretty weird. But then she has this perfect white skin.
There's not a blemish anywhere, not like you and me.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Blemish's two old ugly dogs.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
We're just We're just one giant blemish. But then she
starts talking to You're.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Like, oh, oh, never mind.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, dragon, to get that up. I just want you
to know that they live among us. So why are
we having this push for proxy voting? And why are conservatives,
particularly the Maga crowd, with which I consider me to
be a part of. Why are so many in the
(06:29):
Maga crowd all upset that this blew up yesterday? They
actually shut down Congress yesterday over this issue. And while yes,
they've wasted a day and a half because they don't
work on Friday's, people they don't they no, no, no, no,
(06:50):
no no no. They work part of Monday, they work Tuesday, Wednesday,
and usually a part of Thursday, then try to get
out a out of town on Thursday night. Well, that right,
there is a reason why you don't want proxy voting.
So this idea was to allow new parents to vote
remotely from up to twelve weeks after you had a kid.
(07:13):
If passed, it would it would put into the House
rules the principle that physical absence from your job is
compatible with the exercise of legislative power. And I maintained
that it is simply not true because one serving in
Congress is not a right. I've outlined in the previous
(07:35):
hour if you're listening on the podcast, I outline all
of the reasons the conditions that you have to not all,
but generally speaking to become a member of the House
of Representatives. Now, those requirements are not arbitrary arbitrary expectations.
(07:57):
Those expectations are the logical outcome of a system in
which one person is task with representing hundreds of thousands
of people who cannot themselves be present. That's why we're
a republic. We elect you to represent us. And representation
(08:21):
is a matter of presence being there, just like the
movie being there. It's a matter of you have to
deliberate and deliberation demands that you be engaged, not just
casting a vote, but you participate in debates, hearings, amendments, negotiations,
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hallway conversations, dinner meetings, you know, lunches, everything, everything that
makes the c span feed but often actually determines the
shape of a law. Now, the argument from tradition is
not a week is not a week argument? For more
than two centuries, every floor vote in the House has
(09:04):
required you be present. Proxy voting was prohibited in committee
work under Speaker Genrich for a very good reason because
it led to abuses, it allowed absenteeism to flourish, and
it weakened the integrity of the House. So how do
we get to this point? Well, if for no other reason,
(09:28):
you need to remember that Speaker Nancy Pelosi resurrected the
practice during the pandemic, and indeed those circumstances were exceptional.
But I still don't think it should have even been done.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Then.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Look, during the pandemic, if I were considered an essential
employee and I was required to show up for work,
what the f is a member of the United States
Congress but an essential employee. But no, they wanted to
weigh and they wanted to waive it for a particular reason,
(10:04):
which I'll get to in just a minute. Now. I
know you may think that this is killing this dead horse, because, oh,
come on, Michael, we got technology that's capable of safeguarding
the vote. We can maintain the voting security, checks the
voting vote, looks over his shoulder at the voting booth
(10:26):
and laughs. Really maintains security so that members can stay
home or go on vacation and participate from afar. No,
but capability, the ability to have proxy voting is not
the measure that we use about whether or not we
should have proxy voting. It's about integrity. And integrity of
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representative democracy of a republic is compromised when legislative power
is exercised and there's no accountability in person. Voting is public.
We can see it. It's concrete. They stand up, they
walk to the well. They cast their votes before the house,
they cast their votes before the nation, they cast their
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votes before c span. It's not symbolism, it's substance. It
is how we know they're doing their job. Not just
holding the title, but proxy voting. Here's where I really
get ticked off. It creates all sorts of practical and
philosophical problems. If one member can cast another member's vote,
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could they cast three votes?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Ten?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
What about the inevitable political pressure? Who decides whose vote
is counted? When proxy directions conflict with floor debate outcomes.
You're not there? Do we have to wait for you
to call and track you down because you're on your
vacation in the Seychelle Islands? And because you're in the
Seychelles or you're in Tahiti, or you're you know, god
(12:07):
knows where, or you're up in the Indian Peaks wilderness,
and we don't have very good sales service and we
have to we have to find what we got to
call DHS or the CIA or NSSAY or somebody and
make sure you've got a sat phone when you go
on vacation so we can find out how to hey this.
And things have change. There's been an amendment. Do you
really want to turn over your for example, now in Colorade,
(12:28):
it's a hard example, but let's let's say that. Let's
say we had two Republican US senators. Do you want
to turn your vote for your senators over to?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Let's make it reasonable. A Republican senator from Wyoming. No,
I don't want the guy that got voted elected in
Wyoming casting my ballot for a Republican senator in Colorado.
And I certainly don't want a Democrat because they happen
to be and they trust each other. Oh, you'll still
vote the way I want you to. I don't want
that to occur. Who decides which voters counted When the
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proxy directions conflict with how the floor debate has turned
out on amendments, for example, what it does is transform
proxy voting would transform the House into a ghost legislature.
And I guarantee an to you, a lot of them
wouldn't show up. They'd find every excuse what I got
to go home early. Now, let's think about some of
(13:33):
the practical things. Well, it just had a baby, Michael
and I got to stay home. You live in d
C most of the time anyway, so you you're gonna
get If you were working in a real job, you
might take a couple of days off. You might even
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take a week off. Okay, at some point you start
going back to work. Twelve weeks. I know in the
private sector some people get twelve weeks. Family medical eve right,
get twelve week get three months off. I've seen men
here do that, and I think, why am I? Why
(14:17):
am I paying? I'm beyond the child Well I'm not,
but Tamor is beyond the child bearing abilities.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Why why?
Speaker 6 (14:29):
Why?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Why would I take twelve weeks off? But it also
underminds equality. It assumes that certain circumstances, parenthood, illness, travel,
all that justifies absenteeism, while other things do not justify absenteeism.
What about dealing with constituents after a natural disaster. So
(14:49):
North Carolina gets hit by Hurricane Helene, and so the
congressman wants to stay home and help take care of
his constituents, But so he turns over his voting to
somebody from South Carolina. There's always going to be an excuse.
And I'm not trying to minimize the importance of family.
I'm not going to belittle the challenges of parenthood. I've
been through it myself twice. But those facts, important as
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they are, don't redefine the job. Members who choose to
expand their families while in office. Yes, we should support them,
but not at the cost of eroding a constitutional institution.
In other words, the solution is not to lower the
demands of the office, but instead those who sought the
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office is for you to figure out a way to
rearrange your life around the known demands of the job
that you voluntarily sought. And also, this is not a
lifelong career. It should not be a lifelong career. It's
actually it's term limited in the sense that you could
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be voted out every time two years. It's Ecclesiastes again,
there's a time for everything under the sun, perhaps twelve
weeks of new parent who it is not the time
to be serving in Congress. Do accidents happen, Yes, most
people choose to have children, most people work to have children.
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But there's a deeper reason for you to be present.
And it's not just procedural, it's philosophical. And that is
this a Republican form of government depends on not just
not just on casting votes, but on the visible, tangible
engagement of the people that we send to represent us.
(16:45):
This isn't some thought experience experiment, and Congress is not
a think tank. It's a room, a physical room where
your presence matters because people matter. The Republic is not
operated by an algorithm, not by video links not by teens,
not by Skype, which is going away, but by men
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and women showing up, standing up, speaking up, doing the
job of actually representing us. Foxy voting is just trying
to skirt your responsibilities.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Michael, I am not a white male.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
I'm of a different ethnic group descendant. Am I allowed
to pass? I mean, we're not condemned to have to
deal with that now that she's refused. White guys right,
please tell me I don't have to.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
No, you do?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
You do?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
In fact, all white males should just go off themselves
because uh, purple people eater whatever it was number one,
or people purple people persons whatever. One on TikTok says, So,
so it's done. This story intrigues me. It occurred in Georgia,
but the best reporting on it, I think came from
(18:07):
a talk show out of Houston, Fox twenty six, the
Fox affiliate out of Houston. Have you heard the story
about the father? Single father, I forget how many kids
for maybe is out of work, gets a job interview,
(18:28):
takes his kids to the McDonald's the oldest is ten
years old, I think, and leaves them at the McDonald's. Well,
he runs to the job interview.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
Ready a job interview ends badly for a man named Georgia.
Chris Lewis was arrested March twenty second. Police say he
left his kids in a McDonald's by themselves while he
went to an interview for a job. He reportedly told
police he did not have a car and lived nearby.
Lewis said instead of making his three kids, who are one, six,
(19:03):
and ten years old, walk home alone, he decided to
make them stay in the restaurant. There's been a lot
an ongoing debate about this. If we can hold that's
a gravity for me, A lot of debate about this.
On the Isaiah Factor Instagram page. We asked what was
the appropriate age for kids to be left unattended? Forty
(19:23):
one percent say ten to twelve, thirty nine percent say
thirteen to fifteen, and twenty percent say sixteen years and uh.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
So he had a one to six and a ten
year old? Uh what's the appropriate age for a child
to be left unsupervised? I would phrase it slightly different,
At what age can you leave a child to take
care of the other two children a one year old
and six year old. In this survey out of Houston,
(19:53):
the Fox affiliate, forty one percent said ten to twelve
years old, thirty nine percent said thirteen fifteen, and then
twenty percent said you need to be sixteen years old.
What do you think it is?
Speaker 8 (20:05):
I guess they're here on the factor On sensor to
talk about this. We had with us Davenport case manager
J Bailey, therapist, doctor Bernadette Smith, and parent Matilda Seregho.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
So glad to have you all on the factor On.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
Since it so, Matilda, let's begin with you as a parent,
your thoughts about this situation.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
Well, I mean, first and foremost, I feel there's still
a lot of missing information for me to make that
full assessment, like what was the length of time they
were left alone? Were they inside of the McDonald's, were
they in the car? Can you clarify that for me
really quickly.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
What we know is he was there from fourth the
kids were there from four point thirty, He returned at
six eighteen, and then the mother was on the way
as well. But we don't know if she was called
by police or him after the fact, or if she
was on the way anyway. So, like you said, there
are still a lot.
Speaker 9 (20:54):
Of unanswering question, correct, I feel like at some point
we encouraged the community to stay vigil and report these incidents,
and I feel like that's what they did. But at
the end of it all, like what was the backstory
to it? Did he intentionally just go in there to
leave an application and they asked them to stay for
an interview and it prolonged the waiting period for the children.
(21:14):
You know, were they inside or outside? Temperatures? Like, what
was the damaging if they were inside of the public setting,
was it a safe setting? You know, there were so
many things that we could still try to figure out
in order to rectify or remedy this situation.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
What I like about this woman is she's not willing
to instantly judge. She's a mother and she's like, you know,
here's a guy trying to get a job. He leaves
the kids inside of McDonald's. I need to know, like
how long were they there inside? Outside? What was the temperature?
What was the dangerous Is it a safe place or
not a safe place? Safe area? Not a safe area?
(21:47):
Was the mom you know, is she a custodial parent,
Was she on her way? Was she delayed? Did he
get delayed? I mean, they're all the different circuit. I
love the way this woman is not willing to accept
what the tem us about. Hey, this guy that just
gives the McDonald's to go to your job interview and
now that he's been arrested, Oh, it's horrible, horrible. She's
(22:08):
asking all the questions that need to be asked, but
all along I want you to think about what you
think about this the smith.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
A lot of people are cautious on how they approach
this report because a lot of parents can see themselves
in a situation where you don't have someone to provide
for your children, or you can afford a babysitter and
you have to provide for them, and you cut caught
between a rock and a hard place.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
No, it's very tough, and I think that what the
story is showing is when you do not have a village,
and when you do not have means and resources to
provide for that care, what then are you doing? And
so to your question, one of the things that I
heard was that he left the kids in the playplace,
so they were playing at the McDonald's playground area. Again,
(22:59):
was that maybe judgment? Who knows, but what we also
know I feel it comes from a space of desperation,
and so when you don't have the resources, when you
don't have access to a village, and you're trying to
further your family.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, let me pause her for a moment. The use
of the term village obviously tells me that this woman,
this is just my interpretation, she comes from a left
of center point of view, she comes from a liberal
point of view. It takes a village, right, Well, I
might phrase it differently. You know, we no longer have
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connections to churches, We don't have connections to even our neighbors.
We don't have connections to our immediate or extended family,
who may or may not even be present in this case,
I don't know, or where's Mom? And why wasn't mom
willing to do so? Even if even if Mom was
not a custodial parent, unless she was abusive, then of
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course you don't want her near the children, or there's
restrictive visitation of some sort. But it's not so much
this village aspect. I think it is as just the
lack of interconnectedness between all of us. And you know,
I'm a young father, I'm you know, I'm let's say
(24:16):
I'm nineteen twenty years old when I was that age,
and if I found myself in this situation with three kids,
I'd probably just shoot myself. But with just with three kids,
there were a lot of places I could have turned
to and said, hey, listen, I've really got I really
need a job, and I really need somebody to come
and watch the kids for you know, I may be
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gone for two hours, I don't know, depends on how
good the interview goes. Could you come and do that?
There were a lot of people I could have reached
out to. And I'm not even talking about parents of
either of Tamer's parents or my parents, because we didn't
live near them at that time. But we had churches,
we had co workers, we had neighbors that we actually
knew we and have that anymore. I think this to
(25:03):
give this social worker credit. I think she's talking about
the same thing. It's just that our language bugs me
about Well, we don't have a village anymore. No, we
just don't have a lot of connectedness anymore.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
By getting a job and doing the things in which
we're told to do in society, and then he's penalized
again being able to look at what resources can we
then provide, like for example, in Houston, there's a House
of Tiny Treasures that provides childcare for people who are
unhoused and kind of in that space.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And someone's looking for a nonprofit. You know, there are
nonprofits that provide like new shirts, coats, and ties for
men that want to go to a job interview. And
there are places that will help those homeless people, you know,
get haircuts and shower and clean up so that they
can go. And the same for women.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
How's malls there.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Are nonprofits that provide promises to teenage girls so they
can go to the prom What about somebody starting a
nonprofit for people who need to go to job interviews
that don't have access to childcare. There's an opportunity for
a business right there.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Right, Jay, Let's bring you in your thoughts on this
as an expert looking from the outside, and your thoughts
about parents who may be put in a position like
this or put themselves in a position like this, depending
on which way you're.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Looking at it.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
In this situation, I do think that we do need
more information to properly assess his opportunities and his own resources.
But I do think that it takes a village, and
so we need to call in our village when we
do need help, and you can always contact your apostle
care agencies or just any social service setting that could
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help you instead.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
And my first thought when I heard her say that
was would you trust child protective services or human services
or whatever that might be called. Hey, I'm going on
a job interview and I really need someone to come
and watch my kids. Could you come to my home
and watch my kids? Do you want a government bureaucrat
(27:19):
looking inside your home? Let me tell you, Tarak keeps
our house like an operating room. It's that clean all
the time. Well except for the dogs. You got Lienberger
hair everywhere. But besides that, I really don't want a
government employee in my home while I'm gone watching my kids.
I'm really particular about who comes and watches my dogs.
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What would you do like that?
Speaker 8 (27:44):
And of course, Matilda, you a parent, you know sometimes
that help is not out there and not readily available
if you have finally you get that call, we want
to talk to you today about this job. And sometimes
it is just busy, correct and being.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
In Houston, you know, coming from Houston, we are limited
with our resources and it's a tough situation, just like
we all spoke of. He was in between the rock
and hard place, say, do I do this for my family?
Do I risk run the risk of running into CPS?
Am I going to get real roaded? And it could
be a whole bunch of all of that at the
same time happening. And it's just unfortunate. He wasn't in
the club slapping booty. He was trying to get a job,
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you know. So he was doing what he thought was
best for his family. And I hope that there's a
great outcome for him. I hope it doesn't stick and
that his children are safing place back.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
With him and doctor Smith, let's talk to you again.
What should you do if you're caught in a situation
like this? So let's look at it face value. Yeah,
we happier, welcome with you, Take them with you.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
And again, like he knows, because I'm looking at the
time frame, that's a three hour, that's three hours, So
maybe it was thirty four, You're not.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
Sorry, he was four thirty to six eighteen two hours okay.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Two hours okay?
Speaker 7 (28:59):
So that I have a five year old and sometimes
walk into the mailbox is tough, right, And so I
think that part of it then becomes when you have children,
or when you are preparing for children, to start to
identify who then are your support systems and what does
that look like. I think in this particular case, clearly
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he did not have that support system, because I know
even sometimes when I'm trying to come here, I'm like, okay,
let me find out who's gonna watch my kids. And
sometimes it doesn't always come together, because, as Matilda was saying,
it's not easy to bring your village in when you
have children.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Sometimes all right, we'll stop there. I got to take
a break anyway. So you've heard the story. You've heard
even the professional is like, sometimes I find it difficult
just to get it cause she's talking about a five
year old. Remember there was a ten year old watching
the kids. Is that okay with you? Not okay with you?
What would you have done if you had been on
(29:55):
this panel, what would you have said? Text me, let
me know.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
I don't really think she's going to have a problem
steering away from white males.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I think there's a bigger issue going on there because
I don't think any normal white guy is going to
be anywhere near.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
That Master the obvious. The New York Post has a
story about this story, and apparently, let's see who is it,
it's former Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown is quoted
(30:34):
the story caught me by surprise. Dad just trying to
find a way to make money for his family. I
know he shouldn't just leave his kids, but some people
don't have the means for babysitting, et cetera. And he
has started to go fund me for the money to
go directly to this father to help him, and they're
trying to raise fifty thousand dollars or something. And then,
(30:54):
of course the New York Post points out that has
divided the internet. You know, yeah, it's a little iffy
on the one year old, but he was trying to
get a job, giving him a break somebody else. You
simply can't leave your kid like that. I get how
this happened, but there are plenty of questions, you know,
somebody else. Somebody says, I know, it's a desperate situation,
and then on the text line the same thing. Everybody's
(31:18):
got an opinion on this, but I found the most
interesting opinion to be that of my producer, mister.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Redbeard what did I say now, But.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You told me during the break about when you were
ten years old.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Well, yeah, I was fiercely independent because at the time
my mother was trying to start up her subway franchise.
So I got myself up, got my own breakfast, made
my own lunch, made me on dinner, put myself to bed,
did my own homework, all that kind of stuff. So
as a ten year old, yeah, I would have no
problem going McDonald's and sitting there for ninety minutes being
just fine. But as for babysitting somebody else, I don't
(31:54):
know if I could have, but I did. When I
was twelve. I did babysit my younger sister who was
so I had no problem doing that.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And you raised a good question too about where was
the job interview, because was it near the McDonald's.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Right, every McDonald's i've ever seen is in a commercial area,
and so maybe the interview is right there. You can
see the McDonald's the entire time. I just, I just
my heart goes out to this guy and he got arrested.
Come on, give the guy a break.
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