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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Michael. I've usually listened to your show on
the podcast after work, but work has sent me home
for a while, so while i'm home, uh, let's go
ahead and listen to you alive, so don't suck.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well. And if work has sent you home for a while,
because i'll say a layoff, well, then this is the
place to come because we'll make you feel better because
you'll feel so much better than us because we're so
we suck so badly.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
How do we know he didn't get the COVID because
remember when I knew a guy who knew a guy
who knew a guy and.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That could be true too him for COVID, righty right,
or he could be home, you know. I just say
it because he is sick, And then this is the
place to come because we're so uplifting and so we'll
be will be an inspiration to you to get well
and go back to work. And I want to say
to all of you that all of you are so
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uplifting to me. For example, yesterday at five point fifty pm,
I get an email notification on my personal account that
Joshua paid you twenty five cents.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Only one, only one person of all that begging and pleading,
issuay no.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Actually I got to we'll get to the too.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Two.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, well I suppose that's a pretty good number two.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Right, So Joshua wrote, you know, when you pay someone
on Venmo, you get a notification, and so the notification
email says, I'm only sending this so you'll stop talking
about the book already. Besides, if you read it, then
I don't have to love the show, which I question
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the veracity of that, but nonetheless I'll take it. And
then of course we get a couple of text messages.
Gouber number seventy eight fifteen says Mike, I would send
you forty seven cents so you can read the book
and tell us how bad it really was and how
much they knew about Biden's condition. So that's the kind
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of passy, aggressive listener that we like. That says I
would send you the forty seven cents, but they don't
send me the forty seven cents, so you know, we
certainly appreciate that. And then of course there's always the
smart ass, and that's Guber number ten sixty four, who
texted and said twelve listeners times twenty eight cents equals
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three dollars and thirty six cents. As usual, you'll come
up short. And I took that as a great compliment
because we never try to excel on this program. We
always think that if we can come up short, then
we've met our goal of getting paid for basically doing nothing.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
We manage our expectations around here, right, We.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Manage our expectations. And we are going to talk about
the book. And as I told Dragon this morning, I
have made the decision that after Dragons absolutely no, no.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
No, is this suggestion from a text message? Who then
I relate on to you. So it's not my suggestion
for you to purchase the book, retain the receipt return
the book is a text message.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
As Dragon told me yesterday, you know you can always
go to Barnes and Noble because Dragon is also the
one he may claim. So here's what he doesn't tell you,
because Dragon's one of those guys. Remember he's the headline guy,
but he's also the guy that never tells you the
rest of the story. Dragon actually looked up the return
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policy at Burns and Barnes and Noble and told me
what the return policy was.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
We're interested it is, so they okay, sure, so the.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
One time, the one time that I expressed something that
I might be interested in him, the one time out
of all these years, you decide, Oh, I think I'll
help him out. I'll go see what the return policy is. Sure,
because you know that that you you know me well,
and that that's enough an inducement. And I'm also just
assive regress and just enough of an a hole, huh
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that have being an author myself, as I told you yesterday,
I get my royalty statement a couple of times a year,
and it shows, you know, the number of hardcover sold,
the number of e books sold, and the number of
returns in each of those categories. And I'm proud to
say that I've always had zero and zero. So I'm
I've not had any returns, and so I will. I
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have decided, based on Dragon's recommendation and his and his
announcement to me of the return policy at Barnes and Noble,
that on the way home from the studio today, I'm
going to stop by the Barnes and Noble and I'm
going to pick up a copy of Original Sin, which
is on sale for twenty seven dollars already. Do you
think the.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Big corner displays and everything have you know, books piled
upon books and you know a picture tapper.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, I'm sure I'm gonna be right there in the
front the center.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
As soon as you walk in, it's gonna be a
front and say to play display, right, And.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So I'll grab one and I'll walk over. And would
you like an e receipt or a paper receipt? I
want both. I want to make sure I have all
bases covered, and then I'll read the book, you know,
over the Memorial Day weekend, and then I'll return the
book and say it. You know, I don't know if
they have a you know, no questions asked, but they
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asked me why. I say, well, it didn't it did.
It didn't meet the hype. It did not meet the hype.
But I do want to talk about the book today
because I mentioned yesterday about Watergate, and somebody asked, either
on a talkback or on the text line, about tell
us why you think it is worse than Watergate, and
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so off the top of my head, I gave you
some ideas about why. And then yesterday because for someoneho's
doing show prep, this is topic A. This is all
anybody's talking about in the cabal. They're all talking about it,
including John Stewart, who I thought, well, John Stewart, I
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may not agree on anything politically, he does recognize hypocrisy
when he sees it, and he had this to say
about the Tapper book.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I could be a sad.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Poor Scott.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Maybe you clean. The point is the American news media
we're hungry.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
For more, a new Biden bombshell.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Dropping bombshell, allegations of.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Steady drip of new revelations, damaging new details.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Oh my goodness, they're dripping with the tails the mass
of tsunami, the drip drip on Joe Biden's decline.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Oh god.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Fox News built an entire Biden sucks border wall to
hold back the ranging drips of details in boxes. Nothing
could slow down this coming feeding news frenzy about Biden's
cognitive health, other than maybe a report on his actual
physical health.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Rich was not good.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
But now we got ourselves a little problem. You've prepared
an entire Shortish borg.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Smorgigshborg shercunary board. You know what I'm talking.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
I mean, jeez, you know, entire sorgishborg based on what
you thought would be a relatively uncomplicated story about mental decline.
News has the countdown.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Talk, they got the book graphics, they got the CNN
Happy Meal tie in toys.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Now doing the story's all it's disrespectful. Can CNN thread
the needle? How do you pivot from excitedly promoting your.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Anchor's book to somberly and respectfully promoting your anchor's books.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Talk was very much in the news even before the
cancer diagnosis.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Was announced on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
That's because of a new book by Sannon's Jake Tapper.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
This was already going to be a tough week and
just makes it much harder.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
And that is a reference to the fact that our
colleague Jake Capper and Alex Thompson.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
A book that's set to publish on Tuesday.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
This very tough news, this very challenging news, and at
the same time, the backdrop of our calleingg Jake Tapper's
book with Alex Thompson coming out this week.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's so hard, it's such a.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Difficult time, so unfathomable in terms of the pain this
family must be feeling. And yet if you act now
and you use the code backslash tap that book, you
will obviously this twenty offer is not available for.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Some reason in Tennessee.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
But the point is.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Forgetting about the fact how weird it is that the
news is selling you a book about.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
News they should have told you was news.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
A year ago for free.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
It's just fun.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I think that's pretty fats brilliant. That's utterly brilliant. So
we have to go from excitedly promoting the book to
sombrely presenting the book. That's good And if you'll just
tap this code, twenty percent off except in Tennessee. And
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is it interesting that now the news media the cabal
wants to sell you the news that they should have
been giving the news to you for free. I thought
it was pretty good. I thought was pretty good. And
I think it's frank quite frankly as set up because
the media itself loves to mythologize that it sees itself. Remember, remember,
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the the media sees itself as that crucially responsible group
of people that are there to speak truth to power.
That that's you know, that's the that's the fourth estate.
We're here to speak truth to power so that our
democracy can survive. Right, And that self image when you
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think about it about speaking truth to power, When did
that really crystallize? When did that really become the mantra
of the media. It was in the aftermath of Watergate,
because when you think about Watergate, the press, the media,
the cabal served as the bold, the brave, the fearless,
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and the non partisan defenders of truth in the ordinary
man against that evil imperials President Richard Nixon. Now, if
that self image were created via the successful takedown of
one American president, it has been undone by a kind
of anti Watergate, and that's their failure to keep another
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president in power. So they create, you know, we're going
to speak truth to power and we're going to take
down a president and then we're going to speak truth
to power by not speaking truth to power in order
to keep a president in power. So when did the
Biden cover up begin? I mean, I go back to
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John Stewart. They're now selling you the news that if
they were really the news, would have been giving you
the news for free earlier. When did that flip? I
think it flipped last week when Axios published the audio
files from that twenty twenty three investigation into Biden's handling
of the classified documents, in which Biden's question about his
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recollections in which we spent an inordinate amount of time
yesterday letting you hear for yourselves. And on Saturday, if
you listen to the nationally Syndagetto program, you heard that
he really was. It reminded me, let me get a
little personal. So Camera's grandmother, her paternal grandmother, when she
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was still alive, when we would go back to our
home town to visit our parents, she was in a
nursing home there and we would sometimes stop and I
watched her over the years, not many years, because after
Tamer and I got married, she didn't She didn't survive
very long, but she was somewhat I wouldn't even I
would say. She was never loosid when I first met her,
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but she would ramble, she'd recognize Tamar and then for
whatever reason Tamor that would that would spur some memories,
and then the memories would just wander off into the ether,
just everywhere, and even Tamor wouldn't even know what she
was talking about it sometimes And the more I thought
about those answers yesterday, it reminded me of those times
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in that nursing home, which was very depressing, of just
the rambling of the stories and and it's it's really
sad because and if you haven't, you will, But for
those who've experienced that with family members, it's it is
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funny at a level that you privately laugh about. Well,
you know, Grandpa was really he was really on a
roll today. We went everywhere from World War Two to
you know, to whatever Richard Nixon was doing. It just
wonders all over the place, and you kind of laugh
about it and privately even though you know it's sad,
because humor is humor is God's gift to us as
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a pressure relief valve, is what it is. But those
recordings that you listened to were pitiful and they were
shocking both at the same time. But never mind that
America's nuclear codes, because in those audio recordings, Biden sounds
like he might actually struggle to even operate the remote control.
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Can you imagine? Can you imagine? I don't know whether
you've ever seen the guy carrying the football, usually in uniform,
not always, but almost always in uniform, and he's carrying
he's carrying the nuclear codes wherever the president goes, he's
in the entourage. You got to know him and look
for him. To find him. He's there, he's got the
big briefcase and he's walking around. Can you imagine opening
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that briefcase to that guy that you heard on the
interview and mister President Vladimir Putin's decided to launch you know, missiles,
and we need you to make the decision, and Biden
would start telling stories. He probably you know, he probably
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can't operate the TV remote, let alone authorize the codes.
Then the audio was released just ahead of reports that
Biden is suffering from very aggressive prostate cancer. And I
find this interesting. I find it necessary, but interesting that
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now everyone who wants to talk about the Biden situation
always starts with some version of we wish him speedy recovery,
and of course we do, because we don't wish other
than maybe on Adolf Hitler or Vladimir Putin or somebody,
you know, a slow, painful death. I have a Taiwanese
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friend who absolutely despises Hijing being and his constant threats
against Taiwan, and he's always talking about how he wishes,
you know, Sheijen Ping to have a slow, painful death,
and I just, you know, I always kind of chuckle
about it because it's like well, okay, that's pretty cruel,
but you know, Taiwanese, I kind of understand it. But
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then all of those well wishes is how's that to
be aided by the publication today of original sin, the
Jake Tapper book, because the book documents Biden's physical and
cognitive declined during his presidency, not afterwards, but during the presidency.
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One of the things that I found in the show
prep yesterday there was utterly fascinating to me were so
many of the doctors. There was a litany of specialists.
There was one specialist in particular, I don't remember the
guy's name that was. He operates or he's from or
works at Saint Francis Hospital in Manhattan. He is the
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world's leading prostate cancer doctor. In fact, he's written a
book called Prostate Cancer Something. It's got prostate cancer in
some subheading to it, and it is his opinion, based
on his world renowned expertise and prostate cancer, that he
probably had prostate cancer before he was elected in twenty twenty.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
Now, I guarantee you I will be totally transparent in
terms of my health and all aspects of my health.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So amid that, and then amid all this slew of
revelations as to Biden's frailty and the extent of the
cover up, you have to ask yourself, how did it happen?
How did it happen? Not so much why did it happen,
because we know why it happened because the Democrats are
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solely holy and completely about power and staying in power.
So Watergate long mythologized as a foundational moment in modern
American politics. It is a foundational moment in modern American politics.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
So is this.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And it's worse, much worse.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
I had seriously considered given that dude twenty seven SAIDs
and and I got to thinking, is he really going
to use this for a book?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Or is he gonna take that and go buy a
diacode a taco crack? Now not worth a risk.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
We already know he doesn't pay for his drink in
the morning. Jeez, I paid for it this morning, and
it is Taco Tuesday, so that could have been a chance.
The crack thing, Well, look at that schnas. Oh wait,
that's cocaine. Never mind, I got I get my drugs
on the set because I don't I don't know anything
about it. Wait, you smoke crack.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I just I don't know, you don't know. You know,
you need to stick what you do know about for
the return policy at Barnes and Mimark. That's the only
thing you know about. So just stick to that. So
let's let's let's go back again. Watergate, it was a
foundational moment in modern American politics, scandalous, the eventual resignation
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Nixon in nineteen seventy four. It was so profoundly formative
of an age. In fact that these events spawned perhaps
the quintessential political scandal suffix. Take any now and just
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attach the word gate to it, and that denotes a
political scandal that generates so much media noise that it
triggers major change, such as a president's resignation, party Gate,
the Boris Johnson scandal, Russia Gate, anything gate, all stems
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from Watergate. And as I said yesterday, the original Watergate
turned on a break in at the building where the
DNC had their offices. It turns out that the burglars
were working on behalf of Nixon, you know, and we're
trying to gather information on Nixon's rivals. The administration sought
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to cover up the burglary that was discovered, Nixon was impeached,
and press coverage of the trial became a galvanizing national
event that eventually led to Nixon's resignation. You know, I
can remember good grief. I was a nerd as a kid,
and I think about it, being mesmerized, anxious to get
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home and see what the news was showing about the
Watergate hearings. At the time, the entire episode was hailed
as a victory for our system of checks and balances.
And then when Gerald Ford took power, he declared, my
fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over. Our constitution works.
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Our great Republic is a government of laws and not
of men. And in this sense of affirming a government
of laws and not a man, it was argued that
Watergate had a permanent impact on public consensus concerning the
extent of presidential powers, one that has boiled to the
surface again during the Trump era. We're having the same
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arguments about how much power does the president have? Now.
The central issue can sound kind of you know, abstruse,
but cuts to the heart of what the president's role
should be. So called impoundment. That's the big debate going
on right now. Impoundment and that's to say whether or
not a president has the right to curtail or to pocket.
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I don't mean literally pocket, but to take funds that
Congress is appropriated, that have been granted by Congress but
has not been spent. Impoundment grants the president a partial
veto power over programs.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
He doesn't like.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's a tool that was used extensively by Nixon. The
events of Watergate made a key role in restricting the
use of empowerment because it resulted in the enactment of
the Empowerment Control Act of nineteen seventy four, and the
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current administration wants to take that and take back that control.
Trump aligned empowerment enthusiasts Russ Vaut, who's the chairman of
the or the director of the Office of Management Budget.
He makes the argument that without returning that power to
the president, the American government will remain helplessly in the
grip of an unaccountable deep state. Stuff with all these
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left wing partisans. So a key part of the trumpest
project is succeeding where Nixon failed in restoring the power
of the elected president by curtailing the growth of the
bureaucratic feetoms of the growth of the deep state and
all the financial patronage networks that go out there, all
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the nngos, all the non profits, all of the people
that are all interchanged where they're doing, all the giant
money laundry, and a bunch of changes that have been
brought in by the Trump administration shortly after his inauguration,
like shuttering, you know, just shutting down USAID were achieved
by using impoundment. Notice that other than that one Yahoo
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from Michigan that wanted to he had seven or eight
articles of impeachment went nowhere. He's such an idiot. He
even missed the deadline for filing the articles. You know,
once he once he introduced them, he failed to do
something procedurally. And of course nobody, nobody on the Democrat
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side wanted to touch it, you know, not this or no,
not to say they won't three years from now, but
right now they didn't want to touch it at all.
But Nixon looms large in this story for the apos
in consensus too, because when in February five, for former
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Treasury chiefs Treasury secretaries published a statement protesting Trump's doze initiative.
That statement included a reference to Nixon's use of impoundment. Meanwhile,
the publication of that protest in The New York Times
kind of points to or alludes to Watergate's second related,
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long term impact, and that is the crystallization of the
mass media of the cabal's self image. They really do
believe that they are forced holding power to account, that
they are speaking truth to power. Now, it was the
press that uncover the Watergate story, and then when the
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investigation proceeded, further details were leaked on an ongoing basis,
and there became a symbiotic relationship between officials doing the
investigation and the public reporting. And that has become a
fixed feature of media and politics ever since, the symbiotic
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relationship between government officials and public reporting. And how's that
kind of morphed in let's say contemporary times. Well, it's
also been bifurcated because you've now got the cable channels that, okay,
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let's just say that are left of the political center, MSNBCNN,
the networks, all of those, and over here to the
right of center, you've got Fox News, You've got Oan,
you've got Newsmax, and you may have somewhere in the middle,
you might have something like News Nation, but it the
symbiotic relationship between government officials and public reporting has it
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is an started with Watergate and has become solidified over time.
Then if you go back to the nineteen seventy three
nineteen seventy four, when Nixon's trial was unfolding on television
and in all the discussion in the news media about it,
it became a mass a mass potase I can do it,
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a mass participation event, and then we you can think
about that. That became the new type of democracy. In
an essay in nineteen seventy three, Mary McCarthy framed this
public engagement with the trial as a kind of nationwide
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town hall meeting. Here's what she wrote. Then, the story
was being told democratically to the entire population, which was
discussing it democratically, as if at a town meeting. In
every city I arrived at, the local papers were full
of Watergate. Now, the local papers were full of Watergate.
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But where were the local newspapers getting those stories from
the tip of the cabal? The Associated Press, UPI, the
New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal,
All of their reporting was just sifting down to the
local newspapers and that's where America was getting his story,
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plus from the three networks, just the three networks. So
now turbo charged by this new digital pace that we
live in and the fast pace of political debate Trump's
first election. That election was accompanied by a fragmenting an
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increasingly partisan, in polarized media landscape. As I said just
three or four sentences ago, has really become bifurcated intended
many ones, at least formally neutral outlets have grown increasingly partisan,
even on those that we considered to be more objective,
which in truth or really conservative outlets like Fox News.
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So that's morphed into what they've now become activists. Are
they really reporters? I suppose in some sense they're still reporters,
but they're I guess you'd put the word the adgitive
activists in front of them. They've since become activist reporters.
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Washington Post slogan democracy dies in the darkness. Do you
know when that was officially adopted? I wasn't even aware.
You know, it's it's been so long for hasn't been
that long, but it's become such a stalwart of the
Washington Post that I thought, oh, it's really kind of
been there for a long time until in doing show
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prepery Oh No. Democracy dies in the Darkness was adopted
in twenty seventeen during the hashtag resistance movement against Donald Trump.
Democracy dies in the darkness now being an active participant
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in the news cuts both ways. Just two years into
the Biden presidency, the twenty twenty two Media Fest conference
was held and they invited Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein
Watergate thing. They wanted this media fest. I mean, that's
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I'm not making a joke to this what was really
called the twenty twenty two media Fest conference. They invited
the Watergate guys to give the keynote, in which they
reiterated how reporters must always dig deeper. Is that hilarious
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in the context of what we're dealing with right now?
Of I mean, think about all of the Let's think
about I don't have this in my nose. Let me
see if I do this off the top of my head.
Let's think about all the elements of the story for
just a moment after the break.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
Michael Q Hewitt had exactly right last night on Jesse
Water's show Untilsa. People are under the threat of perjury
under oath. All the talk about Biden's prostate cancer is
just going to be.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Which I'm going to get to because if well, I'll
get to that because I have a proposal, and I
don't know whether because I'm already upset. I imagine this
set with Republicans, but I'm already upset with Republicans over
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the ah. Remember the storming of the detention center in
New Jersey. I think it was a Newark. I may
be wrong. Everything happens in Newark. Let's just say that
a couple of things have happened yesterday that just really
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infuriate me about well, one of Trump's appointees. And I'm
trying to reserve judgment because there may be some reason.
I don't understand why she's doing what she's doing. But
a US attorney in New Jersey is doing something that
we'll we'll see. Maybe I'll get to that in a minute.
But let's go back almost stick to Watergate for a moment,
because so two years into the Biden presidency, at this
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media fest, they have Woodward and Bernstein give a keynote
in which they kept reiterating about how reporters have to
always dig deeper, because they were suggesting that Watergate proved
how the press, the cabal, in my language, was the
key institution of American democracy.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
It was the key.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Now they mentioned the courts, they mentioned the legislative branch,
they mentioned the executive branch, they mentioned the article three courts.
But it was the press that was ready to spring
into action, and it was the press that could restore
normal functioning when faced with a criminal president. Who do
you think they're referring to as a criminal president? Oh,
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they may have had in the back of their minds
Richard Nixon, but they were really thinking about Donald Trump
in his first term because Woodward Bernstein went on to
make explicit the parallel that they were drawing between Nixon
and Trump. Quote not just that Trump was a criminal president,
Bernstein said, but that he was the first seditious president
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in our history. Now, ordinary democrats can see what the
press refused to acknowledge, because just two weeks after that
stupid media affects celebration of digging deeper in the name
of democracy, Democrat activists launched a campaign headed Don't Run Joe.
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You ever heard of that? It's amazing what you can
find when you start digging into it, and it's one.
It is one of the what I would say is
the real advantages of artificial intelligence, because unlike doing a
Google search, when you're searching things what like I was
last night with Watergate and connections to the Biden thing,
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it just returns you search results. It doesn't do any analysis,
whereas artificial intelligence does some analysis. And that an US
our little gems in there about don't run. Joe the
campaign director of that, told Jake Jake Tapper something. Huh
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what were they told? In twenty twenty two
Good morning, Michael. I've usually listened to your show on
the podcast after work, but work has sent me home
for a while, so while i'm home, uh, let's go
ahead and listen to you alive, so don't suck.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well. And if work has sent you home for a while,
because i'll say a layoff, well, then this is the
place to come because we'll make you feel better because
you'll feel so much better than us because we're so
we suck so badly.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
How do we know he didn't get the COVID because
remember when I knew a guy who knew a guy
who knew a guy and.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That could be true too him for COVID, righty right,
or he could be home, you know. I just say
it because he is sick, And then this is the
place to come because we're so uplifting and so we'll
be will be an inspiration to you to get well
and go back to work. And I want to say
to all of you that all of you are so
(00:56):
uplifting to me. For example, yesterday at five point fifty pm,
I get an email notification on my personal account that
Joshua paid you twenty five cents.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Only one, only one person of all that begging and pleading,
issuay no.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Actually I got to we'll get to the too.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Two.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, well I suppose that's a pretty good number two.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Right, So Joshua wrote, you know, when you pay someone
on Venmo, you get a notification, and so the notification
email says, I'm only sending this so you'll stop talking
about the book already. Besides, if you read it, then
I don't have to love the show, which I question
(01:39):
the veracity of that, but nonetheless I'll take it. And
then of course we get a couple of text messages.
Gouber number seventy eight fifteen says Mike, I would send
you forty seven cents so you can read the book
and tell us how bad it really was and how
much they knew about Biden's condition. So that's the kind
(01:59):
of passy, aggressive listener that we like. That says I
would send you the forty seven cents, but they don't
send me the forty seven cents, so you know, we
certainly appreciate that. And then of course there's always the
smart ass, and that's Guber number ten sixty four, who
texted and said twelve listeners times twenty eight cents equals
(02:22):
three dollars and thirty six cents. As usual, you'll come
up short. And I took that as a great compliment
because we never try to excel on this program. We
always think that if we can come up short, then
we've met our goal of getting paid for basically doing nothing.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
We manage our expectations around here, right, We.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Manage our expectations. And we are going to talk about
the book. And as I told Dragon this morning, I
have made the decision that after Dragons absolutely no, no.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
No, is this suggestion from a text message? Who then
I relate on to you. So it's not my suggestion
for you to purchase the book, retain the receipt return
the book is a text message.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
As Dragon told me yesterday, you know you can always
go to Barnes and Noble because Dragon is also the
one he may claim. So here's what he doesn't tell you,
because Dragon's one of those guys. Remember he's the headline guy,
but he's also the guy that never tells you the
rest of the story. Dragon actually looked up the return
(03:36):
policy at Burns and Barnes and Noble and told me
what the return policy was.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
We're interested it is, so they okay, sure, so the.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
One time, the one time that I expressed something that
I might be interested in him, the one time out
of all these years, you decide, Oh, I think I'll
help him out. I'll go see what the return policy is. Sure,
because you know that that you you know me well,
and that that's enough an inducement. And I'm also just
assive regress and just enough of an a hole, huh
(04:05):
that have being an author myself, as I told you yesterday,
I get my royalty statement a couple of times a year,
and it shows, you know, the number of hardcover sold,
the number of e books sold, and the number of
returns in each of those categories. And I'm proud to
say that I've always had zero and zero. So I'm
I've not had any returns, and so I will. I
(04:28):
have decided, based on Dragon's recommendation and his and his
announcement to me of the return policy at Barnes and Noble,
that on the way home from the studio today, I'm
going to stop by the Barnes and Noble and I'm
going to pick up a copy of Original Sin, which
is on sale for twenty seven dollars already. Do you
think the.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Big corner displays and everything have you know, books piled
upon books and you know a picture tapper.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, I'm sure I'm gonna be right there in the
front the center.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
As soon as you walk in, it's gonna be a
front and say to play display, right, And.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So I'll grab one and I'll walk over. And would
you like an e receipt or a paper receipt? I
want both. I want to make sure I have all
bases covered, and then I'll read the book, you know,
over the Memorial Day weekend, and then I'll return the
book and say it. You know, I don't know if
they have a you know, no questions asked, but they
(05:23):
asked me why. I say, well, it didn't it did.
It didn't meet the hype. It did not meet the hype.
But I do want to talk about the book today
because I mentioned yesterday about Watergate, and somebody asked, either
on a talkback or on the text line, about tell
us why you think it is worse than Watergate, and
(05:45):
so off the top of my head, I gave you
some ideas about why. And then yesterday because for someoneho's
doing show prep, this is topic A. This is all
anybody's talking about in the cabal. They're all talking about it,
including John Stewart, who I thought, well, John Stewart, I
(06:10):
may not agree on anything politically, he does recognize hypocrisy
when he sees it, and he had this to say
about the Tapper book.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I could be a sad.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Poor Scott.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Maybe you clean. The point is the American news media
we're hungry.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
For more, a new Biden bombshell.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Dropping bombshell, allegations of.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Steady drip of new revelations, damaging new details.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Oh my goodness, they're dripping with the tails the mass
of tsunami, the drip drip on Joe Biden's decline.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Oh god.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Fox News built an entire Biden sucks border wall to
hold back the ranging drips of details in boxes. Nothing
could slow down this coming feeding news frenzy about Biden's
cognitive health, other than maybe a report on his actual
physical health.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Rich was not good.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
But now we got ourselves a little problem. You've prepared
an entire Shortish borg.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Smorgigshborg shercunary board. You know what I'm talking.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
I mean, jeez, you know, entire sorgishborg based on what
you thought would be a relatively uncomplicated story about mental decline.
News has the countdown.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Talk, they got the book graphics, they got the CNN
Happy Meal tie in toys.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Now doing the story's all it's disrespectful. Can CNN thread
the needle? How do you pivot from excitedly promoting your.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Anchor's book to somberly and respectfully promoting your anchor's books.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Talk was very much in the news even before the
cancer diagnosis.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Was announced on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
That's because of a new book by Sannon's Jake Tapper.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
This was already going to be a tough week and
just makes it much harder.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
And that is a reference to the fact that our
colleague Jake Capper and Alex Thompson.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
A book that's set to publish on Tuesday.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
This very tough news, this very challenging news, and at
the same time, the backdrop of our calleingg Jake Tapper's
book with Alex Thompson coming out this week.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's so hard, it's such a.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Difficult time, so unfathomable in terms of the pain this
family must be feeling. And yet if you act now
and you use the code backslash tap that book, you
will obviously this twenty offer is not available for.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Some reason in Tennessee.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
But the point is.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Forgetting about the fact how weird it is that the
news is selling you a book about.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
News they should have told you was news.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
A year ago for free.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
It's just fun.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I think that's pretty fats brilliant. That's utterly brilliant. So
we have to go from excitedly promoting the book to
sombrely presenting the book. That's good And if you'll just
tap this code, twenty percent off except in Tennessee. And
(10:12):
is it interesting that now the news media the cabal
wants to sell you the news that they should have
been giving the news to you for free. I thought
it was pretty good. I thought was pretty good. And
I think it's frank quite frankly as set up because
the media itself loves to mythologize that it sees itself. Remember, remember,
(10:38):
the the media sees itself as that crucially responsible group
of people that are there to speak truth to power.
That that's you know, that's the that's the fourth estate.
We're here to speak truth to power so that our
democracy can survive. Right, And that self image when you
(11:01):
think about it about speaking truth to power, When did
that really crystallize? When did that really become the mantra
of the media. It was in the aftermath of Watergate,
because when you think about Watergate, the press, the media,
the cabal served as the bold, the brave, the fearless,
(11:23):
and the non partisan defenders of truth in the ordinary
man against that evil imperials President Richard Nixon. Now, if
that self image were created via the successful takedown of
one American president, it has been undone by a kind
of anti Watergate, and that's their failure to keep another
(11:48):
president in power. So they create, you know, we're going
to speak truth to power and we're going to take
down a president and then we're going to speak truth
to power by not speaking truth to power in order
to keep a president in power. So when did the
Biden cover up begin? I mean, I go back to
(12:10):
John Stewart. They're now selling you the news that if
they were really the news, would have been giving you
the news for free earlier. When did that flip? I
think it flipped last week when Axios published the audio
files from that twenty twenty three investigation into Biden's handling
of the classified documents, in which Biden's question about his
(12:31):
recollections in which we spent an inordinate amount of time
yesterday letting you hear for yourselves. And on Saturday, if
you listen to the nationally Syndagetto program, you heard that
he really was. It reminded me, let me get a
little personal. So Camera's grandmother, her paternal grandmother, when she
(12:57):
was still alive, when we would go back to our
home town to visit our parents, she was in a
nursing home there and we would sometimes stop and I
watched her over the years, not many years, because after
Tamer and I got married, she didn't She didn't survive
very long, but she was somewhat I wouldn't even I
would say. She was never loosid when I first met her,
(13:18):
but she would ramble, she'd recognize Tamar and then for
whatever reason Tamor that would that would spur some memories,
and then the memories would just wander off into the ether,
just everywhere, and even Tamor wouldn't even know what she
was talking about it sometimes And the more I thought
about those answers yesterday, it reminded me of those times
(13:38):
in that nursing home, which was very depressing, of just
the rambling of the stories and and it's it's really
sad because and if you haven't, you will, But for
those who've experienced that with family members, it's it is
(13:59):
funny at a level that you privately laugh about. Well,
you know, Grandpa was really he was really on a
roll today. We went everywhere from World War Two to
you know, to whatever Richard Nixon was doing. It just
wonders all over the place, and you kind of laugh
about it and privately even though you know it's sad,
because humor is humor is God's gift to us as
(14:22):
a pressure relief valve, is what it is. But those
recordings that you listened to were pitiful and they were
shocking both at the same time. But never mind that
America's nuclear codes, because in those audio recordings, Biden sounds
like he might actually struggle to even operate the remote control.
(14:43):
Can you imagine? Can you imagine? I don't know whether
you've ever seen the guy carrying the football, usually in uniform,
not always, but almost always in uniform, and he's carrying
he's carrying the nuclear codes wherever the president goes, he's
in the entourage. You got to know him and look
for him. To find him. He's there, he's got the
big briefcase and he's walking around. Can you imagine opening
(15:04):
that briefcase to that guy that you heard on the
interview and mister President Vladimir Putin's decided to launch you know, missiles,
and we need you to make the decision, and Biden
would start telling stories. He probably you know, he probably
(15:26):
can't operate the TV remote, let alone authorize the codes.
Then the audio was released just ahead of reports that
Biden is suffering from very aggressive prostate cancer. And I
find this interesting. I find it necessary, but interesting that
(15:52):
now everyone who wants to talk about the Biden situation
always starts with some version of we wish him speedy recovery,
and of course we do, because we don't wish other
than maybe on Adolf Hitler or Vladimir Putin or somebody,
you know, a slow, painful death. I have a Taiwanese
(16:13):
friend who absolutely despises Hijing being and his constant threats
against Taiwan, and he's always talking about how he wishes,
you know, Sheijen Ping to have a slow, painful death,
and I just, you know, I always kind of chuckle
about it because it's like well, okay, that's pretty cruel,
but you know, Taiwanese, I kind of understand it. But
(16:34):
then all of those well wishes is how's that to
be aided by the publication today of original sin, the
Jake Tapper book, because the book documents Biden's physical and
cognitive declined during his presidency, not afterwards, but during the presidency.
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One of the things that I found in the show
prep yesterday there was utterly fascinating to me were so
many of the doctors. There was a litany of specialists.
There was one specialist in particular, I don't remember the
guy's name that was. He operates or he's from or
works at Saint Francis Hospital in Manhattan. He is the
(17:18):
world's leading prostate cancer doctor. In fact, he's written a
book called Prostate Cancer Something. It's got prostate cancer in
some subheading to it, and it is his opinion, based
on his world renowned expertise and prostate cancer, that he
probably had prostate cancer before he was elected in twenty twenty.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
Now, I guarantee you I will be totally transparent in
terms of my health and all aspects of my health.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So amid that, and then amid all this slew of
revelations as to Biden's frailty and the extent of the
cover up, you have to ask yourself, how did it happen?
How did it happen? Not so much why did it happen,
because we know why it happened because the Democrats are
(18:13):
solely holy and completely about power and staying in power.
So Watergate long mythologized as a foundational moment in modern
American politics. It is a foundational moment in modern American politics.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
So is this.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And it's worse, much worse.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
I had seriously considered given that dude twenty seven SAIDs
and and I got to thinking, is he really going
to use this for a book?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Or is he gonna take that and go buy a
diacode a taco crack? Now not worth a risk.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
We already know he doesn't pay for his drink in
the morning. Jeez, I paid for it this morning, and
it is Taco Tuesday, so that could have been a chance.
The crack thing, Well, look at that schnas. Oh wait,
that's cocaine. Never mind, I got I get my drugs
on the set because I don't I don't know anything
about it. Wait, you smoke crack.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I just I don't know, you don't know. You know,
you need to stick what you do know about for
the return policy at Barnes and Mimark. That's the only
thing you know about. So just stick to that. So
let's let's let's go back again. Watergate, it was a
foundational moment in modern American politics, scandalous, the eventual resignation
(20:00):
Nixon in nineteen seventy four. It was so profoundly formative
of an age. In fact that these events spawned perhaps
the quintessential political scandal suffix. Take any now and just
(20:21):
attach the word gate to it, and that denotes a
political scandal that generates so much media noise that it
triggers major change, such as a president's resignation, party Gate,
the Boris Johnson scandal, Russia Gate, anything gate, all stems
(20:44):
from Watergate. And as I said yesterday, the original Watergate
turned on a break in at the building where the
DNC had their offices. It turns out that the burglars
were working on behalf of Nixon, you know, and we're
trying to gather information on Nixon's rivals. The administration sought
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to cover up the burglary that was discovered, Nixon was impeached,
and press coverage of the trial became a galvanizing national
event that eventually led to Nixon's resignation. You know, I
can remember good grief. I was a nerd as a kid,
and I think about it, being mesmerized, anxious to get
(21:30):
home and see what the news was showing about the
Watergate hearings. At the time, the entire episode was hailed
as a victory for our system of checks and balances.
And then when Gerald Ford took power, he declared, my
fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over. Our constitution works.
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Our great Republic is a government of laws and not
of men. And in this sense of affirming a government
of laws and not a man, it was argued that
Watergate had a permanent impact on public consensus concerning the
extent of presidential powers, one that has boiled to the
surface again during the Trump era. We're having the same
(22:16):
arguments about how much power does the president have? Now.
The central issue can sound kind of you know, abstruse,
but cuts to the heart of what the president's role
should be. So called impoundment. That's the big debate going
on right now. Impoundment and that's to say whether or
not a president has the right to curtail or to pocket.
(22:38):
I don't mean literally pocket, but to take funds that
Congress is appropriated, that have been granted by Congress but
has not been spent. Impoundment grants the president a partial
veto power over programs.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
He doesn't like.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's a tool that was used extensively by Nixon. The
events of Watergate made a key role in restricting the
use of empowerment because it resulted in the enactment of
the Empowerment Control Act of nineteen seventy four, and the
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current administration wants to take that and take back that control.
Trump aligned empowerment enthusiasts Russ Vaut, who's the chairman of
the or the director of the Office of Management Budget.
He makes the argument that without returning that power to
the president, the American government will remain helplessly in the
grip of an unaccountable deep state. Stuff with all these
(23:38):
left wing partisans. So a key part of the trumpest
project is succeeding where Nixon failed in restoring the power
of the elected president by curtailing the growth of the
bureaucratic feetoms of the growth of the deep state and
all the financial patronage networks that go out there, all
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the nngos, all the non profits, all of the people
that are all interchanged where they're doing, all the giant
money laundry, and a bunch of changes that have been
brought in by the Trump administration shortly after his inauguration,
like shuttering, you know, just shutting down USAID were achieved
by using impoundment. Notice that other than that one Yahoo
(24:21):
from Michigan that wanted to he had seven or eight
articles of impeachment went nowhere. He's such an idiot. He
even missed the deadline for filing the articles. You know,
once he once he introduced them, he failed to do
something procedurally. And of course nobody, nobody on the Democrat
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side wanted to touch it, you know, not this or no,
not to say they won't three years from now, but
right now they didn't want to touch it at all.
But Nixon looms large in this story for the apos
in consensus too, because when in February five, for former
(25:04):
Treasury chiefs Treasury secretaries published a statement protesting Trump's doze initiative.
That statement included a reference to Nixon's use of impoundment. Meanwhile,
the publication of that protest in The New York Times
kind of points to or alludes to Watergate's second related,
(25:28):
long term impact, and that is the crystallization of the
mass media of the cabal's self image. They really do
believe that they are forced holding power to account, that
they are speaking truth to power. Now, it was the
press that uncover the Watergate story, and then when the
(25:51):
investigation proceeded, further details were leaked on an ongoing basis,
and there became a symbiotic relationship between officials doing the
investigation and the public reporting. And that has become a
fixed feature of media and politics ever since, the symbiotic
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relationship between government officials and public reporting. And how's that
kind of morphed in let's say contemporary times. Well, it's
also been bifurcated because you've now got the cable channels that, okay,
(26:32):
let's just say that are left of the political center, MSNBCNN,
the networks, all of those, and over here to the
right of center, you've got Fox News, You've got Oan,
you've got Newsmax, and you may have somewhere in the middle,
you might have something like News Nation, but it the
symbiotic relationship between government officials and public reporting has it
(26:58):
is an started with Watergate and has become solidified over time.
Then if you go back to the nineteen seventy three
nineteen seventy four, when Nixon's trial was unfolding on television
and in all the discussion in the news media about it,
it became a mass a mass potase I can do it,
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a mass participation event, and then we you can think
about that. That became the new type of democracy. In
an essay in nineteen seventy three, Mary McCarthy framed this
public engagement with the trial as a kind of nationwide
(27:43):
town hall meeting. Here's what she wrote. Then, the story
was being told democratically to the entire population, which was
discussing it democratically, as if at a town meeting. In
every city I arrived at, the local papers were full
of Watergate. Now, the local papers were full of Watergate.
(28:04):
But where were the local newspapers getting those stories from
the tip of the cabal? The Associated Press, UPI, the
New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal,
All of their reporting was just sifting down to the
local newspapers and that's where America was getting his story,
(28:24):
plus from the three networks, just the three networks. So
now turbo charged by this new digital pace that we
live in and the fast pace of political debate Trump's
first election. That election was accompanied by a fragmenting an
(28:48):
increasingly partisan, in polarized media landscape. As I said just
three or four sentences ago, has really become bifurcated intended
many ones, at least formally neutral outlets have grown increasingly partisan,
even on those that we considered to be more objective,
which in truth or really conservative outlets like Fox News.
(29:14):
So that's morphed into what they've now become activists. Are
they really reporters? I suppose in some sense they're still reporters,
but they're I guess you'd put the word the adgitive
activists in front of them. They've since become activist reporters.
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Washington Post slogan democracy dies in the darkness. Do you
know when that was officially adopted? I wasn't even aware.
You know, it's it's been so long for hasn't been
that long, but it's become such a stalwart of the
Washington Post that I thought, oh, it's really kind of
been there for a long time until in doing show
(29:59):
prepery Oh No. Democracy dies in the Darkness was adopted
in twenty seventeen during the hashtag resistance movement against Donald Trump.
Democracy dies in the darkness now being an active participant
(30:21):
in the news cuts both ways. Just two years into
the Biden presidency, the twenty twenty two Media Fest conference
was held and they invited Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein
Watergate thing. They wanted this media fest. I mean, that's
(30:45):
I'm not making a joke to this what was really
called the twenty twenty two media Fest conference. They invited
the Watergate guys to give the keynote, in which they
reiterated how reporters must always dig deeper. Is that hilarious
(31:06):
in the context of what we're dealing with right now?
Of I mean, think about all of the Let's think
about I don't have this in my nose. Let me
see if I do this off the top of my head.
Let's think about all the elements of the story for
just a moment after the break.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
Michael Q Hewitt had exactly right last night on Jesse
Water's show Untilsa. People are under the threat of perjury
under oath. All the talk about Biden's prostate cancer is
just going to be.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Which I'm going to get to because if well, I'll
get to that because I have a proposal, and I
don't know whether because I'm already upset. I imagine this
set with Republicans, but I'm already upset with Republicans over
(32:04):
the ah. Remember the storming of the detention center in
New Jersey. I think it was a Newark. I may
be wrong. Everything happens in Newark. Let's just say that
a couple of things have happened yesterday that just really
(32:25):
infuriate me about well, one of Trump's appointees. And I'm
trying to reserve judgment because there may be some reason.
I don't understand why she's doing what she's doing. But
a US attorney in New Jersey is doing something that
we'll we'll see. Maybe I'll get to that in a minute.
But let's go back almost stick to Watergate for a moment,
because so two years into the Biden presidency, at this
(32:50):
media fest, they have Woodward and Bernstein give a keynote
in which they kept reiterating about how reporters have to
always dig deeper, because they were suggesting that Watergate proved
how the press, the cabal, in my language, was the
key institution of American democracy.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
It was the key.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Now they mentioned the courts, they mentioned the legislative branch,
they mentioned the executive branch, they mentioned the article three courts.
But it was the press that was ready to spring
into action, and it was the press that could restore
normal functioning when faced with a criminal president. Who do
you think they're referring to as a criminal president? Oh,
(33:36):
they may have had in the back of their minds
Richard Nixon, but they were really thinking about Donald Trump
in his first term because Woodward Bernstein went on to
make explicit the parallel that they were drawing between Nixon
and Trump. Quote not just that Trump was a criminal president,
Bernstein said, but that he was the first seditious president
(33:58):
in our history. Now, ordinary democrats can see what the
press refused to acknowledge, because just two weeks after that
stupid media affects celebration of digging deeper in the name
of democracy, Democrat activists launched a campaign headed Don't Run Joe.
(34:26):
You ever heard of that? It's amazing what you can
find when you start digging into it, and it's one.
It is one of the what I would say is
the real advantages of artificial intelligence, because unlike doing a
Google search, when you're searching things what like I was
last night with Watergate and connections to the Biden thing,
(34:50):
it just returns you search results. It doesn't do any analysis,
whereas artificial intelligence does some analysis. And that an US
our little gems in there about don't run. Joe the
campaign director of that, told Jake Jake Tapper something. Huh
(35:15):
what were they told? In twenty twenty two
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