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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The rumors have already started now that Elon has stepped
out of his government role. Oh it was because he
and Trump are at odds now. Now it will be
interesting to see how is treated going forward by everybody
who hated him the last four months.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Almost there is some sort of rule or policy that
if you're not hired by the government through the governmental
process and you're going to go and volunteer into the administration,
there is something like a four to six month limit.
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So from what I understand, and I might have this
completely wrong. So if if I do, let me know,
but Elon can't be in in Doge working for free forever.
There is some sort of statute or law or some
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policy that makes him makes him have to leave. That's
that's what I've got there, you have it. So, I
don't know if it was Elon saying, oh I've had
enough of this. Was he had to get out at
a certain point. And also he does have other businesses
to run rather than rather than just his own. Just
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just a thought. Hey it's John Caldera, good morning, welcome
in for a vacationing I think recuperating. I think I
don't know, pardon me, sobering up sobering up. Actually, I
get the kind of image of Brownie just uh, wandering around,
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walking down highways, not really knowing where he is. And
then then one morning he wakes up and goes, oh
wait then yeah Denver and hitchhikes back, and then that's that.
That's what that's I'm pretty sure how it works, not
not certain.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Ain't nobody gonna pick him up as a hitchhiker.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
That's wrong. No, he's perfectly respectable looking. So I think
I think you could get that all right. You heard
in the news more measles in Colorado. First of all,
hearing Kathy Walker say that, uh, the last person they
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found at was at DIA and was vaccinated and still
had the measles. I didn't know you could be vaccinated
and still have the measles. I thought, that's why you
got the vaccine. Mind you. I thought the same thing
for COVID, So vaccines don't always work. That's me first.
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And then secondly, she gave a list of where all
those where that person was, so here are all the
places where you could have been to be exposed, and
talked about hotels, she talked about at the airport, at
this place that place, and I'm thinking, oh.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
My god, if I come down with measles, even if
I'm vaccinated, which I'm pretty sure I am, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
If I have the measles. I got to tell the
Colorado Department of Health and Environment where I've been, and
then it gets reported. I'm looking into Looking At the
Denver Gazette this morning, a child under five who recently
traveled to multiple international locations with family has been confirmed
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at measles. The toddler Toddler's five year old toddler, who
was unvaccinated, remains hospitalized m where I'm not sure. Let's see,
so here are the known exposure locations. Oh my god.
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From Thursday May twenty second, from six to ten pm,
was at Children's hospital. Friday from ten am to twelve
at Walgreens in Aurora, and it just goes that way
again again. Sunday noon, Sam's Club. Oh my god, he
was at sam Club Natural Grocers, Children's Hospital again. Poor guy.
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Must be there for some healthcare reasons.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Anyone who was in those locations during the dates and
times listed may have been exposed to measles and should
monitor their symptoms for twenty one days after.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
The exposure. Hmm, meaning you could develop symptoms through June seventeenth.
All right, that's bad. But what hit me about this
was I come down with measles. I'm gonna have to
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tell the Department of Health where I've been, and then
I'm going to have to watch my itinerary be published
in newspapers and broadcast on shows. So it got me thinking,
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Let's assume that Michael Brown had measles. That's that's why.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Imagine imagine the known those your locations that would be reported.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It would have to be a talk show host. It
wouldn't use his name. Talk show host over eighty six
years old? Has has I have no idea? Is that
eighty six? Close enough? Close enough? He's ninety three in
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mental years, sixteen in maturity. No locations. Let's see, it
would be this strip club and then Shotgun Willies, and
then this strip club, and then this liquor store, followed
by that liquor store, that followed by this bar, followed
by some some bustop bench for six hours, and in
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a dog park he does walk the dogs he does
in a dog park, a sleep under a tree in
Central Park, Denver. It would just it would be this
wonderful litany of places he would have been? Where where
else would there be? The exposures to measles? Thanks to
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talk show host Michael Brown, if if in fact he
had measles, we ought to come up with this this
list the known exposure locations. Uh, now, what if?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
What if you're a guy or a gallon and you
have measles and you don't want to tell them where
your known exposure locations are. What if I don't know
it's it's it's a motel and you don't want your
significant other to.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Know about it? What What if it was, oh, I
don't know, the adult bookstore, the bar during work hours?
What what what if you were a closet conservative and
you are at the gun range but you didn't want
your fellow employees to know about it.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Or you were using that guy's toothbrush from the yesterday story.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
What guy's toothbrush? The cheating guy? Oh, that's right, the
cheating guy. Yeah, I forgot about the cheating guy. For
those who missed it, guy on England gets caught having
an affair because his wife has an app that follows
the toothbrush. What no, the toothbrush apparently sends off how
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long it's been used and when it's been used, and
this was a way to get the kids to brush
their teeth the right way.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Instead, she kept finding that someone was using the toothbrush
in the middle of the day.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
When no one's home. Oopsie. And by the way, that's
what you get for good oral hygiene. If you're gonna
brush your teeth in the middle of the day, you
deserve to get caught. All right now, I listen, I'd
brush my teeth once every other week, whether I need
it or not. So it's not like I don't have
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great oral hygiene. Three or three seven, one, three, eight,
two five five seven one three talk. I'm John Caldera.
So what would your known exposure locations look like if
if you put them all together and you had to
I had to put put them out in the newspaper,
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you had to report it to the Apartment of Health
and Environment, or would it just be really really sad. Yeah,
I've had measles for seven days. No, it was. It
was in my basement mostly watching television and then three
runs to seven eleven for Slurpees and that was it. Yeah, yeah,
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it was there. And you know that at the DMV
and then then back that so so you didn't know. No,
just stayed home until I realized I had measles. By
the way, symptoms for measles can I love. This can
include fever, cough, running nose, red eyes, and a rash
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usually begins on the face several days after exposure. According
to the news release, hmmm, so now everybody who has
a cough, we've been so fortunate. Imagine what it was
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like one hundred years ago where people died of measles
because we had no vaccine. That people had died of
all sorts of diseases. What was it polio? That polio
was this incredible killer that destroyed people and ruined them
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for life if they were able to survive it. We
don't even think about such things. Instead, we freak out
about COVID, which which was a big issue, but not
not measles, not the black Death. How do you feel
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about about vaccines. I'm very pro vaccine. I want my
kids to have the vaccines. Whooping cough is not something
you want your kid to suffer. With that being said,
I took the COVID vaccine when it came out. I
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regret doing that. I wish I didn't not that it's
a bad thing. I think it was just not the
not the right decision, especially given how I know for
those people who passed away because of COVID, how mild
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COVID was compared to the fear that it generated at
the beginning. Now I also had a heart attack. I'm
not blaming the COVID for the vaccine for the heart attack.
I certain that twenty years of overeating and not exercising
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had nothing to do with the heart attack. I'm sure
it was one percent the COVID shot. But I've known
people who who've had heart trouble after COVID or after
the vaccine. I think there was just too many unknowns.
It's not to not to say it was the wrong
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decision for everyone. I wish I didn't do it. That
being said, I am not an anti vaxer. I live
up in Boulder, and it's interesting the population that are
anti vaxers. It is that horseshoe on the curve of
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left and right. Who doesn't get veaxed. Well, crazy people
on the right don't get vaxed, and up and Boulder,
crazy elitists on the left don't get vaxed, and kind
of for the same reason. They don't trust them. They
think that.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
It might cause other issues, that it might cause autism,
although that link isn't really there from any sort of research. Now,
I don't know if I've had a measles vaccine. Do
you know if you've had a measles vaccine?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I guess I could call my doctor. Maybe it's not
a record, but isn't it one of those things that
you have a vaccine when you're a kid, And that's
kind of it.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yes, the the MMR, the measles, mumps, and rubella. That's
when they get them toddler age, right, Yeah, I think so.
The last time I know of getting one.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, I think that's when I got it too. I
think I don't remember. I was three years old or something.
I do remember, I'm old enough to remember the air
gun vaccine. Yeah, And don't you line up in school?
You know this sounds so this sounds some kind of
World War two. I remember in your line up in school,
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they hitch you in the eye, and they hit you
in the eye and then they stab you with a
needle that's a half inch thick and four inches long.
Remember they had this air gun that would deliver vaccines
and they put it up to your arm and they
press pulled the trigger and it would leave this ridiculous
scar on your arm, on your up by your shoulder.
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If you're old, you remember this. If you're young, they
stop using it. Apparently there was during the AIDS epidemic
they found that a whole bunch of soldiers had a
because they shared this vaccine gun, and it blew their
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minds because the idea was, well, we're not breaking the skin.
We are with such pressure throwing droplets of the vaccine
so hard into your skin, it penetrates and goes in,
and therefore we don't need to we don't need to
do the needle. The problem is that on occasion, doing
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that causes blood to spurt out in small micro droplets
and get on the get on the vaccine gun, which
then led to them giving AIDS to a bunch of
soldiers not knowing it. What a great way to serve
your country.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
And it's just it's amazing the technologies that we think
are good technologies, and then we find out later no,
that was really really dumb.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You go into old buildings and you see all the
asbestos wrapped pipes and you go, oh, yeah, that was
used pretty much everywhere. That was that was kind of dumb,
wasn't it. Yeah, so tasty. No, what it's tasty is
lead paint. Lead paint everywhere. How did we know that
it was it going to do this? You know, the
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term mad as a hatter came from uh people who
worked it was Haberdasharies, people who would shape hats and
make hats. They used I think mercury and some sort
of steam or something to shape hats and a lot
of them went crazy mad as a hatter. That's where
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the term came from. So we we do these we
do these things thinking we're advancing we're advancing healthcare, but
in fact we're going in the opposite direction. Or we're
we're advancing technology. Trying to think of some other ones
And I wonder what we're doing today that you're going
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to go? You know, that was that was really stupid.
Maybe electric cars could be in that world of Yeah,
we thought we were we were doing something for the environment,
when in fact we were just digging up rare earth
minerals and then and then using twice as much fossil
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fuels to charge up these batteries than if they were
they were cars with gasoline engines. By the way, one
of my one of my best points of pride is
when people think that they are their car is emission free,
and now two thirds of the electricity made in Colorado
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comes from fossil fuels. We're not. We're not driving a
car that that is emission free. No, it runs on
fossil fuels, coal and natural gas. You're just smug. I'm
John Calderic. Give me a call three O three seven
one three eight two fivey five. Keep it here. You're
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a six thirty k half.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I want to know when Michael isn't at the Helm
with the good Ship Lollipop, you don't continue with the
taxpayer relief shots. I really look forward to that on Fridays.
Let Michael know he's doing the community of disservice when
he's not there on Fridays, that's all.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Well, that just hurts my feelings. I'm a person too,
you know what, what about my self esteem?
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I love listening to Michael too. Don't worry he shall
return should he survive the measles three or three seven
one three eight two fivey five. I'm John KELDERA. I
still want to go with this. Just for a little
bit longer. We don't know we live in such a
great time. We don't know such remarkable hardships that one
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most of the world knows, and two that even most
of America knew just fifty years ago. We don't have polio.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Really, we don't have measles, we don't have whooping cough,
we don't have all sorts of diseases thanks to vaccinations. Now,
some people say, well, since since we've got all these
vaccines and everybody else is vaccinated, then I don't need
to be vaccinated. That's the prevailing view in a lot
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of elitist Boulder, which is, Oh, my kids don't need
those vaccines because they go to Boulder and nobody has
these things. They're never going to catch the disease, They're
never going to catch the sickness.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I think that's short sighted. I mean, I understand the logic.
If you're in a room full of one hundred people
and one hundred people are vaccinated, well, then who's going
to give you Who's going to give you measles? And
nothing is risk free. Getting any poke in your arm
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is going to have some sort of risk. Every drug
you take has a side effect and Quite often, the
first iterations of vaccines are not the best. That they're
not they're not tested. I think of birth control pills.
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When they came out in the sixties or seventies, they
were tied to breast cancer and also sorts of other
things because they were so strong. As time went on,
they learned to tighten the formula and lower the potency.
This is good. I'd rather have have a vaccine that's
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been around for fifty years than one that's been around
for five days. One of the reasons I'm I'm regretful
of taking the COVID vaccine. Are you? By the way,
I'm curious three or three seven, one, three, eight, two
five five. It's amazing. It's amazing how you make decisions
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with the information you have. If you had all the information,
it wouldn't be a decision. It's kind of like investing.
There is always risk because you don't have a crystal ball.
You don't have something that guarantees you what's going to
happen in the future if we live. I think at
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a really dangerous point in American history because so few
people have seen hardship. I think about this often. I'm
sixty years old, sixty. I have no idea how in
the world that happened sixty. I mean, I feel no
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different than when I was twenty three. I really don't.
You probably feel the same way. And in my life
it has been fat and happy. Most of the problems
I've had to deal with have been self generated. What
I mean by that is we in America have never
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known real hardship. If you're sixty years old and younger,
your life has been fat, dumb, and happy. We've never
known economic hardship. No, I'm not saying in individually we
haven't gone through people who people who've been turned upside down,
wrecked by debt, unemployment, et cetera. But as a culture,
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we haven't gone through the depression.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
The closest thing was was inflation during the Carter in
early Reagan years. But I was in high school chasing skirts.
I wasn't I wasn't actually having to deal with that problem.
My folks had to deal with that problem, so it
never really affected me.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
We've never known war.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
By the time I got to be of drafting age,
conscription had stopped. That's a good long time for.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
People never having to worry about being drafted and sent
oll overseas to die in somebody else's war. We have.
I've always known food. We haven't had famine, we haven't
had the dust bowl, we haven't had the threat. The
only thing that my generation has, perhaps is the Cold War.
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But even my generation's version of the Cold War was
not the not the Cuban missile crisis. I was born
into this uneasy deton with one other superpower, and that
wasn't real. Why do I say all this only to
say that people my age and younger, which I assume
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is the vast majority of America, have never known any
real societal hardship. There's been no shared problem of any
great size. Oh yeah, we had inflation that peaked at
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nine percent for a little while. A few years back.
We had the housing market crash of eight both terrible
awful things, none of them catastrophic, nothing long lasting, Nothing
on par with the Depression, nothing on par with World
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War Two, nothing on par with polio and measles ripping
through society. Nothing, nothing like that. So what does that mean?
It means our viewpoints are askew. I wonder sometimes how
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we can get worried about animal rights, which are great.
Great animal rights are important. We don't want to be
cruel to animals. But could you imagine during the depression,
when you don't have money to feed your family, saying,
you know what, I'm going to go on this march
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and work for these laws to protect animal rights. No,
that's not what happens when genocide is happening in half
of the Jewish world is gassed to death. Are you
there going? You know, I think we ought to worry
about the cause of transsexual transgender rights. No, that that
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doesn't happen. It takes. It takes a society of incredible wealth,
an incredible margin. I mean by that is that we've
built up so much margin in our in our lives,
in society that we have room to spend money on
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ridiculous things, ridiculous things like the trans movement, animal rights,
a good things like the Americans with Disabilities Act. Could
you imagine that being passed during during the height of
a depression or the height of a war, which says, yeah,
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we need we need all this steal and money for
the war effort for this to stay alive as a nation.
Let's put our money instead into bike lanes and midnight basketball. No,
that never would have happened. All these things that we
spend our money on, all these activities that we get
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so passionate about, many of them very very worthwhile, including
clean air and clean water. But when times are tough,
that isn't what's on your mind. That's what I mean
by most of the nation, for most of their lives
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have been fat, dumb, happy. I've been fat, dumb and happy,
and I'm grateful for it. I am grateful for it.
But you talk to people who lived through World War
Two and you go, oh, oh, that was a real threat. Well,
you didn't have these things. You didn't You didn't have sugar,
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you didn't have flour. You had to hoard your food.
I mean the most basic thing in America food to eat.
You know, you go right up the food chain, right
up the hierarchy of needs. Do you have do you
have water? Do you have food? Do you have clothing?
Do you have shelter? And through all of our lives,
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even the poor in America have these things. Even the
insanely crazy homeless people have as much food as they
wish to eat, have roofs over their heads if they
choose it. So my point is, thanks to capitalism, thanks
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to the America we built. We now have generations of
people who who know absolutely no hardship, no societal hardship.
And this is what we what we hope for. This
is the promise of America. This is what the promise
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of any society has. You hope that.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Your kids and their kids and their kids don't go
through what.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
You had to go through. We went through no civil
war that killed what almost five percent of the whole population.
We have gone through, no civil war. When I hear
about how how polarized we are and how the country's
never been more divided, excuse me, we were shooting each
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other and killing each other. We don't have slavery, women
can work, we have parody. These are incredible things, but
it means that we as that anybody my age and
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younger assumes that's the natural state of America, the natural
state of the world, and it isn't.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
This is a historic anomaly. All of which to say,
let's not screw it up. That's my only point.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
It's easy to give away your success, your wealth when
you don't realize how rare it is that we have it.
All right, how about this, that's as that's as deep
as we plan on going today. If you have a
thought on it, give me a call three or three
seven one, three eight two five five seven one three talk.
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We're go, we come back. Let's talk about this. Did
something hideous and terrible and hateful. He stopped hiring people
based on race and sex. No wonder the left is upset.
I'm John, cal Derek, keep it right here. You're on
six thirty kW Morning John and Dragon.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
Yeah, John, I do regret that you got the job.
I think that was your question. Did we regret if
you got the job? I didn't get it, so I
don't regret that I didn't get it, but yeah, I
regret that you did. And yeah, I also agree that
we have not experienced any adversity really in general, although
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we have experienced diversity, and that's pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Have good day. Oh, I couldn't disagree more. Diversity is spectacular.
Diversity is what makes us great. We're all different and
we all have different talents and viewpoints, and that's diversity.
I think the mistake is that that some people think
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diversity is your skin color and what's between your legs. No,
diversity is what's between your ears. It's what makes us human.
That's what's so great about real diversity. Real diversity is
diversity of thought. That's what's wonderful, and that's why it
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should be should be celebrated and look for you want
diversity of personality, diversity of how your brain works, diversity
of skin color, and who you go to bed with. Now,
that's that's not diversity. Let's go to the phones. I'm
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John Caldera. Good morning, Charles glad terrific. Thanks great.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
So I called in because of some things that you
had mentioned about the regret taking the COVID vaccination and so,
and I'm going to relate that to my time in
the military. And in the military we get a lot
of vaccinations in preparation for deployments overseas wherever it may be.
And this is the late nineties. I was with a
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light arma reconnaissance unit in the Marine Corps, and at
that time, the Marine Corps in the military a whole
was having to take the anthrax vaccinations, which was a
series of six vaccinations prior to deployments, particularly in the
Middle East, and basically took those six vaccination shots. And
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I will say, I guess my will but with some
trumpid nation and in the position I was. I was
a leader of the light Arma Reconnaissance Company and basically
either had the cajole marines that to taking that vaccination,
and most of them did, but there were some holdouts
and really had.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
To have a I thought, if you were in the
I thought, if you were in the military, you really
had new choice of what they direct. Right.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
The choice was like either take this or you're probably
going to be separated. And so long story short, everyone
in the unit, including myself, took the vaccination. And so
now fast forward to the anthracs are correct, and I
afrectly I apologize COVID and now everybody being mandated to
take the code vaccination, and just reflecting on my history
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and how bad I felt about taking it and requiring
my marines to take it, that I wasn't going down
that road again. And I really had transitioned to my
life from being in the military, going back to school
and going into healthcare. And so when it comes around
to the COVID vaccination, I refuse to get it. I
refuse to take the vaccination, had to sign waivers about it.
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I'll talk to you with all of my employees that were
frontline staff working with COVID patients and other acutely ill
patients and gave them truly the options. Now, I wasn't
in the position to say.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
Because that was the hr thing, Like you know, you're
going to be dismissed some service, but once you got
to go back to I look back at that regret
of making my marines take it, and I was not
going to afford my healthcare of employees to take it right.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
And I can understand in the military, you force your
soldiers to take these vaccinations because they need to stay
alive in order to fight.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
And you hope, you hope you've got the right ones. Fascinating,
fascinating stuff. All right, let's take a quick breather.
The rumors have already started now that Elon has stepped
out of his government role. Oh it was because he
and Trump are at odds now. Now it will be
interesting to see how is treated going forward by everybody
who hated him the last four months.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Almost there is some sort of rule or policy that
if you're not hired by the government through the governmental
process and you're going to go and volunteer into the administration,
there is something like a four to six month limit.
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So from what I understand, and I might have this
completely wrong. So if if I do, let me know,
but Elon can't be in in Doge working for free forever.
There is some sort of statute or law or some
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policy that makes him makes him have to leave. That's
that's what I've got there, you have it. So, I
don't know if it was Elon saying, oh I've had
enough of this. Was he had to get out at
a certain point. And also he does have other businesses
to run rather than rather than just his own. Just
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just a thought. Hey it's John Caldera, good morning, welcome
in for a vacationing I think recuperating. I think I
don't know, pardon me, sobering up sobering up. Actually, I
get the kind of image of Brownie just uh, wandering around,
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walking down highways, not really knowing where he is. And
then then one morning he wakes up and goes, oh
wait then yeah Denver and hitchhikes back, and then that's that.
That's what that's I'm pretty sure how it works, not
not certain.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Ain't nobody gonna pick him up as a hitchhiker.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
That's wrong. No, he's perfectly respectable looking. So I think
I think you could get that all right. You heard
in the news more measles in Colorado. First of all,
hearing Kathy Walker say that, uh, the last person they
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found at was at DIA and was vaccinated and still
had the measles. I didn't know you could be vaccinated
and still have the measles. I thought, that's why you
got the vaccine. Mind you. I thought the same thing
for COVID, So vaccines don't always work. That's me first.
(02:59):
And then secondly, she gave a list of where all
those where that person was, so here are all the
places where you could have been to be exposed, and
talked about hotels, she talked about at the airport, at
this place that place, and I'm thinking, oh.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
My god, if I come down with measles, even if
I'm vaccinated, which I'm pretty sure I am, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
If I have the measles. I got to tell the
Colorado Department of Health and Environment where I've been, and
then it gets reported. I'm looking into Looking At the
Denver Gazette this morning, a child under five who recently
traveled to multiple international locations with family has been confirmed
(03:58):
at measles. The toddler Toddler's five year old toddler, who
was unvaccinated, remains hospitalized m where I'm not sure. Let's see,
so here are the known exposure locations. Oh my god.
(04:23):
From Thursday May twenty second, from six to ten pm,
was at Children's hospital. Friday from ten am to twelve
at Walgreens in Aurora, and it just goes that way
again again. Sunday noon, Sam's Club. Oh my god, he
was at sam Club Natural Grocers, Children's Hospital again. Poor guy.
(04:49):
Must be there for some healthcare reasons.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Anyone who was in those locations during the dates and
times listed may have been exposed to measles and should
monitor their symptoms for twenty one days after.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
The exposure. Hmm, meaning you could develop symptoms through June seventeenth.
All right, that's bad. But what hit me about this
was I come down with measles. I'm gonna have to
(05:30):
tell the Department of Health where I've been, and then
I'm going to have to watch my itinerary be published
in newspapers and broadcast on shows. So it got me thinking,
(05:51):
Let's assume that Michael Brown had measles. That's that's why.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Imagine imagine the known those your locations that would be reported.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It would have to be a talk show host. It
wouldn't use his name. Talk show host over eighty six
years old? Has has I have no idea? Is that
eighty six? Close enough? Close enough? He's ninety three in
(06:23):
mental years, sixteen in maturity. No locations. Let's see, it
would be this strip club and then Shotgun Willies, and
then this strip club, and then this liquor store, followed
by that liquor store, that followed by this bar, followed
by some some bustop bench for six hours, and in
(06:49):
a dog park he does walk the dogs he does
in a dog park, a sleep under a tree in
Central Park, Denver. It would just it would be this
wonderful litany of places he would have been? Where where
else would there be? The exposures to measles? Thanks to
(07:10):
talk show host Michael Brown, if if in fact he
had measles, we ought to come up with this this
list the known exposure locations. Uh, now, what if?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
What if you're a guy or a gallon and you
have measles and you don't want to tell them where
your known exposure locations are. What if I don't know
it's it's it's a motel and you don't want your
significant other to.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Know about it? What What if it was, oh, I
don't know, the adult bookstore, the bar during work hours?
What what what if you were a closet conservative and
you are at the gun range but you didn't want
your fellow employees to know about it.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Or you were using that guy's toothbrush from the yesterday story.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
What guy's toothbrush? The cheating guy? Oh, that's right, the
cheating guy. Yeah, I forgot about the cheating guy. For
those who missed it, guy on England gets caught having
an affair because his wife has an app that follows
the toothbrush. What no, the toothbrush apparently sends off how
(08:30):
long it's been used and when it's been used, and
this was a way to get the kids to brush
their teeth the right way.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Instead, she kept finding that someone was using the toothbrush
in the middle of the day.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
When no one's home. Oopsie. And by the way, that's
what you get for good oral hygiene. If you're gonna
brush your teeth in the middle of the day, you
deserve to get caught. All right now, I listen, I'd
brush my teeth once every other week, whether I need
it or not. So it's not like I don't have
(09:03):
great oral hygiene. Three or three seven, one, three, eight,
two five five seven one three talk. I'm John Caldera.
So what would your known exposure locations look like if
if you put them all together and you had to
I had to put put them out in the newspaper,
(09:25):
you had to report it to the Apartment of Health
and Environment, or would it just be really really sad. Yeah,
I've had measles for seven days. No, it was. It
was in my basement mostly watching television and then three
runs to seven eleven for Slurpees and that was it. Yeah, yeah,
(09:50):
it was there. And you know that at the DMV
and then then back that so so you didn't know. No,
just stayed home until I realized I had measles. By
the way, symptoms for measles can I love. This can
include fever, cough, running nose, red eyes, and a rash
(10:12):
usually begins on the face several days after exposure. According
to the news release, hmmm, so now everybody who has
a cough, we've been so fortunate. Imagine what it was
(10:34):
like one hundred years ago where people died of measles
because we had no vaccine. That people had died of
all sorts of diseases. What was it polio? That polio
was this incredible killer that destroyed people and ruined them
(10:54):
for life if they were able to survive it. We
don't even think about such things. Instead, we freak out
about COVID, which which was a big issue, but not
not measles, not the black Death. How do you feel
(11:18):
about about vaccines. I'm very pro vaccine. I want my
kids to have the vaccines. Whooping cough is not something
you want your kid to suffer. With that being said,
I took the COVID vaccine when it came out. I
(11:40):
regret doing that. I wish I didn't not that it's
a bad thing. I think it was just not the
not the right decision, especially given how I know for
those people who passed away because of COVID, how mild
(12:01):
COVID was compared to the fear that it generated at
the beginning. Now I also had a heart attack. I'm
not blaming the COVID for the vaccine for the heart attack.
I certain that twenty years of overeating and not exercising
(12:21):
had nothing to do with the heart attack. I'm sure
it was one percent the COVID shot. But I've known
people who who've had heart trouble after COVID or after
the vaccine. I think there was just too many unknowns.
It's not to not to say it was the wrong
(12:42):
decision for everyone. I wish I didn't do it. That
being said, I am not an anti vaxer. I live
up in Boulder, and it's interesting the population that are
anti vaxers. It is that horseshoe on the curve of
(13:03):
left and right. Who doesn't get veaxed. Well, crazy people
on the right don't get vaxed, and up and Boulder,
crazy elitists on the left don't get vaxed, and kind
of for the same reason. They don't trust them. They
think that.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
It might cause other issues, that it might cause autism,
although that link isn't really there from any sort of research. Now,
I don't know if I've had a measles vaccine. Do
you know if you've had a measles vaccine?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I guess I could call my doctor. Maybe it's not
a record, but isn't it one of those things that
you have a vaccine when you're a kid, And that's
kind of it.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yes, the the MMR, the measles, mumps, and rubella. That's
when they get them toddler age, right, Yeah, I think so.
The last time I know of getting one.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, I think that's when I got it too. I
think I don't remember. I was three years old or something.
I do remember, I'm old enough to remember the air
gun vaccine. Yeah, And don't you line up in school?
You know this sounds so this sounds some kind of
World War two. I remember in your line up in school,
(14:22):
they hitch you in the eye, and they hit you
in the eye and then they stab you with a
needle that's a half inch thick and four inches long.
Remember they had this air gun that would deliver vaccines
and they put it up to your arm and they
press pulled the trigger and it would leave this ridiculous
scar on your arm, on your up by your shoulder.
(14:46):
If you're old, you remember this. If you're young, they
stop using it. Apparently there was during the AIDS epidemic
they found that a whole bunch of soldiers had a
because they shared this vaccine gun, and it blew their
(15:07):
minds because the idea was, well, we're not breaking the skin.
We are with such pressure throwing droplets of the vaccine
so hard into your skin, it penetrates and goes in,
and therefore we don't need to we don't need to
do the needle. The problem is that on occasion, doing
(15:30):
that causes blood to spurt out in small micro droplets
and get on the get on the vaccine gun, which
then led to them giving AIDS to a bunch of
soldiers not knowing it. What a great way to serve
your country.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
And it's just it's amazing the technologies that we think
are good technologies, and then we find out later no,
that was really really dumb.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You go into old buildings and you see all the
asbestos wrapped pipes and you go, oh, yeah, that was
used pretty much everywhere. That was that was kind of dumb,
wasn't it. Yeah, so tasty. No, what it's tasty is
lead paint. Lead paint everywhere. How did we know that
it was it going to do this? You know, the
(16:25):
term mad as a hatter came from uh people who
worked it was Haberdasharies, people who would shape hats and
make hats. They used I think mercury and some sort
of steam or something to shape hats and a lot
of them went crazy mad as a hatter. That's where
(16:45):
the term came from. So we we do these we
do these things thinking we're advancing we're advancing healthcare, but
in fact we're going in the opposite direction. Or we're
we're advancing technology. Trying to think of some other ones
And I wonder what we're doing today that you're going
(17:07):
to go? You know, that was that was really stupid.
Maybe electric cars could be in that world of Yeah,
we thought we were we were doing something for the environment,
when in fact we were just digging up rare earth
minerals and then and then using twice as much fossil
(17:30):
fuels to charge up these batteries than if they were
they were cars with gasoline engines. By the way, one
of my one of my best points of pride is
when people think that they are their car is emission free,
and now two thirds of the electricity made in Colorado
(17:53):
comes from fossil fuels. We're not. We're not driving a
car that that is emission free. No, it runs on
fossil fuels, coal and natural gas. You're just smug. I'm
John Calderic. Give me a call three O three seven
one three eight two fivey five. Keep it here. You're
(18:13):
a six thirty k half.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I want to know when Michael isn't at the Helm
with the good Ship Lollipop, you don't continue with the
taxpayer relief shots. I really look forward to that on Fridays.
Let Michael know he's doing the community of disservice when
he's not there on Fridays, that's all.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Well, that just hurts my feelings. I'm a person too,
you know what, what about my self esteem?
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I love listening to Michael too. Don't worry he shall
return should he survive the measles three or three seven
one three eight two fivey five. I'm John KELDERA. I
still want to go with this. Just for a little
bit longer. We don't know we live in such a
great time. We don't know such remarkable hardships that one
(19:14):
most of the world knows, and two that even most
of America knew just fifty years ago. We don't have polio.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Really, we don't have measles, we don't have whooping cough,
we don't have all sorts of diseases thanks to vaccinations. Now,
some people say, well, since since we've got all these
vaccines and everybody else is vaccinated, then I don't need
to be vaccinated. That's the prevailing view in a lot
(19:50):
of elitist Boulder, which is, Oh, my kids don't need
those vaccines because they go to Boulder and nobody has
these things. They're never going to catch the disease, They're
never going to catch the sickness.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I think that's short sighted. I mean, I understand the logic.
If you're in a room full of one hundred people
and one hundred people are vaccinated, well, then who's going
to give you Who's going to give you measles? And
nothing is risk free. Getting any poke in your arm
(20:28):
is going to have some sort of risk. Every drug
you take has a side effect and Quite often, the
first iterations of vaccines are not the best. That they're
not they're not tested. I think of birth control pills.
(20:53):
When they came out in the sixties or seventies, they
were tied to breast cancer and also sorts of other
things because they were so strong. As time went on,
they learned to tighten the formula and lower the potency.
This is good. I'd rather have have a vaccine that's
(21:17):
been around for fifty years than one that's been around
for five days. One of the reasons I'm I'm regretful
of taking the COVID vaccine. Are you? By the way,
I'm curious three or three seven, one, three, eight, two
five five. It's amazing. It's amazing how you make decisions
(21:38):
with the information you have. If you had all the information,
it wouldn't be a decision. It's kind of like investing.
There is always risk because you don't have a crystal ball.
You don't have something that guarantees you what's going to
happen in the future if we live. I think at
(22:01):
a really dangerous point in American history because so few
people have seen hardship. I think about this often. I'm
sixty years old, sixty. I have no idea how in
the world that happened sixty. I mean, I feel no
(22:23):
different than when I was twenty three. I really don't.
You probably feel the same way. And in my life
it has been fat and happy. Most of the problems
I've had to deal with have been self generated. What
I mean by that is we in America have never
(22:45):
known real hardship. If you're sixty years old and younger,
your life has been fat, dumb, and happy. We've never
known economic hardship. No, I'm not saying in individually we
haven't gone through people who people who've been turned upside down,
wrecked by debt, unemployment, et cetera. But as a culture,
(23:09):
we haven't gone through the depression.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
The closest thing was was inflation during the Carter in
early Reagan years. But I was in high school chasing skirts.
I wasn't I wasn't actually having to deal with that problem.
My folks had to deal with that problem, so it
never really affected me.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
We've never known war.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
By the time I got to be of drafting age,
conscription had stopped. That's a good long time for.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
People never having to worry about being drafted and sent
oll overseas to die in somebody else's war. We have.
I've always known food. We haven't had famine, we haven't
had the dust bowl, we haven't had the threat. The
only thing that my generation has, perhaps is the Cold War.
(24:16):
But even my generation's version of the Cold War was
not the not the Cuban missile crisis. I was born
into this uneasy deton with one other superpower, and that
wasn't real. Why do I say all this only to
say that people my age and younger, which I assume
(24:41):
is the vast majority of America, have never known any
real societal hardship. There's been no shared problem of any
great size. Oh yeah, we had inflation that peaked at
(25:02):
nine percent for a little while. A few years back.
We had the housing market crash of eight both terrible
awful things, none of them catastrophic, nothing long lasting, Nothing
on par with the Depression, nothing on par with World
(25:22):
War Two, nothing on par with polio and measles ripping
through society. Nothing, nothing like that. So what does that mean?
It means our viewpoints are askew. I wonder sometimes how
(25:42):
we can get worried about animal rights, which are great.
Great animal rights are important. We don't want to be
cruel to animals. But could you imagine during the depression,
when you don't have money to feed your family, saying,
you know what, I'm going to go on this march
(26:02):
and work for these laws to protect animal rights. No,
that's not what happens when genocide is happening in half
of the Jewish world is gassed to death. Are you
there going? You know, I think we ought to worry
about the cause of transsexual transgender rights. No, that that
(26:30):
doesn't happen. It takes. It takes a society of incredible wealth,
an incredible margin. I mean by that is that we've
built up so much margin in our in our lives,
in society that we have room to spend money on
(26:52):
ridiculous things, ridiculous things like the trans movement, animal rights,
a good things like the Americans with Disabilities Act. Could
you imagine that being passed during during the height of
a depression or the height of a war, which says, yeah,
(27:14):
we need we need all this steal and money for
the war effort for this to stay alive as a nation.
Let's put our money instead into bike lanes and midnight basketball. No,
that never would have happened. All these things that we
spend our money on, all these activities that we get
(27:36):
so passionate about, many of them very very worthwhile, including
clean air and clean water. But when times are tough,
that isn't what's on your mind. That's what I mean
by most of the nation, for most of their lives
(27:58):
have been fat, dumb, happy. I've been fat, dumb and happy,
and I'm grateful for it. I am grateful for it.
But you talk to people who lived through World War
Two and you go, oh, oh, that was a real threat. Well,
you didn't have these things. You didn't You didn't have sugar,
(28:21):
you didn't have flour. You had to hoard your food.
I mean the most basic thing in America food to eat.
You know, you go right up the food chain, right
up the hierarchy of needs. Do you have do you
have water? Do you have food? Do you have clothing?
Do you have shelter? And through all of our lives,
(28:45):
even the poor in America have these things. Even the
insanely crazy homeless people have as much food as they
wish to eat, have roofs over their heads if they
choose it. So my point is, thanks to capitalism, thanks
(29:06):
to the America we built. We now have generations of
people who who know absolutely no hardship, no societal hardship.
And this is what we what we hope for. This
is the promise of America. This is what the promise
(29:28):
of any society has. You hope that.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Your kids and their kids and their kids don't go
through what.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
You had to go through. We went through no civil
war that killed what almost five percent of the whole population.
We have gone through, no civil war. When I hear
about how how polarized we are and how the country's
never been more divided, excuse me, we were shooting each
(29:57):
other and killing each other. We don't have slavery, women
can work, we have parody. These are incredible things, but
it means that we as that anybody my age and
(30:17):
younger assumes that's the natural state of America, the natural
state of the world, and it isn't.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
This is a historic anomaly. All of which to say,
let's not screw it up. That's my only point.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
It's easy to give away your success, your wealth when
you don't realize how rare it is that we have it.
All right, how about this, that's as that's as deep
as we plan on going today. If you have a
thought on it, give me a call three or three
seven one, three eight two five five seven one three talk.
(30:57):
We're go, we come back. Let's talk about this. Did
something hideous and terrible and hateful. He stopped hiring people
based on race and sex. No wonder the left is upset.
I'm John, cal Derek, keep it right here. You're on
six thirty kW Morning John and Dragon.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
Yeah, John, I do regret that you got the job.
I think that was your question. Did we regret if
you got the job? I didn't get it, so I
don't regret that I didn't get it, but yeah, I
regret that you did. And yeah, I also agree that
we have not experienced any adversity really in general, although
(31:36):
we have experienced diversity, and that's pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Have good day. Oh, I couldn't disagree more. Diversity is spectacular.
Diversity is what makes us great. We're all different and
we all have different talents and viewpoints, and that's diversity.
I think the mistake is that that some people think
(32:00):
diversity is your skin color and what's between your legs. No,
diversity is what's between your ears. It's what makes us human.
That's what's so great about real diversity. Real diversity is
diversity of thought. That's what's wonderful, and that's why it
(32:25):
should be should be celebrated and look for you want
diversity of personality, diversity of how your brain works, diversity
of skin color, and who you go to bed with. Now,
that's that's not diversity. Let's go to the phones. I'm
(32:46):
John Caldera. Good morning, Charles glad terrific. Thanks great.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
So I called in because of some things that you
had mentioned about the regret taking the COVID vaccination and so,
and I'm going to relate that to my time in
the military. And in the military we get a lot
of vaccinations in preparation for deployments overseas wherever it may be.
And this is the late nineties. I was with a
(33:13):
light arma reconnaissance unit in the Marine Corps, and at
that time, the Marine Corps in the military a whole
was having to take the anthrax vaccinations, which was a
series of six vaccinations prior to deployments, particularly in the
Middle East, and basically took those six vaccination shots. And
(33:35):
I will say, I guess my will but with some
trumpid nation and in the position I was. I was
a leader of the light Arma Reconnaissance Company and basically
either had the cajole marines that to taking that vaccination,
and most of them did, but there were some holdouts
and really had.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
To have a I thought, if you were in the
I thought, if you were in the military, you really
had new choice of what they direct. Right.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
The choice was like either take this or you're probably
going to be separated. And so long story short, everyone
in the unit, including myself, took the vaccination. And so
now fast forward to the anthracs are correct, and I
afrectly I apologize COVID and now everybody being mandated to
take the code vaccination, and just reflecting on my history
(34:25):
and how bad I felt about taking it and requiring
my marines to take it, that I wasn't going down
that road again. And I really had transitioned to my
life from being in the military, going back to school
and going into healthcare. And so when it comes around
to the COVID vaccination, I refuse to get it. I
refuse to take the vaccination, had to sign waivers about it.
(34:47):
I'll talk to you with all of my employees that were
frontline staff working with COVID patients and other acutely ill
patients and gave them truly the options. Now, I wasn't
in the position to say.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
Because that was the hr thing, Like you know, you're
going to be dismissed some service, but once you got
to go back to I look back at that regret
of making my marines take it, and I was not
going to afford my healthcare of employees to take it right.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
And I can understand in the military, you force your
soldiers to take these vaccinations because they need to stay
alive in order to fight.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
And you hope, you hope you've got the right ones. Fascinating,
fascinating stuff. All right, let's take a quick breather.
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