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To night. Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA
director of talk show host Michael Brown. Brownie, no, Brownie,
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(00:46):
since Memorial Day. I've been consumed with this idea about
Western civilization is kind of going through this demise, and
I don't think it's inevitable. I think historically we know
that these republics tend to die off. Just go read
the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire. But it

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doesn't necessarily mean that we can't stave off that complete decline,
you know, for another generation or two or that maybe
we could be the first to really reverse the decline.
But the more that I've gone through and studied it
and tried to find all the stories and articles and

(01:29):
essays that I can, and as I've kind of weaved
this through a lot of the things going on in
our society, the broken windows theory for example, I mean,
I would challenge you to look at that no matter
where you live, there is because we spend money on
all the wrong things. There is such a mis allocation

(01:53):
of monies and a kind of a perversion of our
priorities that we all think, and it's almost blasphemous to
say this, but rather than spending so much money on
a social safety net which is ultimately going to collapse financially,

(02:14):
that maybe instead if we would focus on the things
of deregulation, lowering taxes, letting people exercise their free will more,
that we would see a growth spurt in which people
if they weren't forced to pay into social security for example.

(02:38):
But we're told and learned that you know, when you
get to retirement, you're going to be on your own,
and so we highly encourage you. Or maybe there's a
combination of both, a little bit of government a little
bit of independence, but there has to be some kind
of reform otherwise this, this part of our federal budget
is going to collapse. The economy, and mark my words,

(03:02):
the American economy collapses, the world economy collapses, and this
idea of a feral city is going to translate into
a feral nation and we will be in some sort
of post apocalyptic film. We'll be living it. And that's
why I was drawn to this, this essay by Professor Betts,

(03:24):
professor of war in the Modern World at King's College, London,
in a journal called Military Strategy Magazine, and that's what
we were walking through at the end of the last hour.
And let me go back, because he traces any sort
of civil war that could occur. And I'm not saying

(03:45):
civil war is going to occur. I'm just saying we
ought to be aware of this and be thinking about this.
He says that causes to a structural decline in any
society is caused by a fractious multiculturalism, and you see

(04:06):
that going on here, although I think we're moving away
from that a little bit. In this country. We're recognizing
that multiculturalism is a bunch of bull crap, and we're
starting to move back away from it some, but vestiges
of it certainly remain in the Democrat Party. That's I mean,
that's their mindset. A collapse of social trust. We see

(04:28):
that all the time. Do you trust your government? That's
that's part of our DNA, in my opinion, is a
is a healthy distrust of government. But do you trust?
Do you trust business? Do you trust higher education? Do
you trust our government institutions? Do you trust I don't

(04:50):
know your neighbors. Do you even know your neighbors? A
collapse of social trust what he calls in a erosion
of social capital. You know, when you when you think
about civil war theory and historical parallels. What I read

(05:12):
convinces me that he rejects the idea that wealthy democracies
are immune. I don't think healthy democracies are immune. But
he argues that the West Western civilization is verging on
conditions nearly ideal for civil breakup. So then he comes

(05:35):
out with fresh data and what we see as an unraveling,
and the second essay that he that he has written
escalates the warning. He argues that the West's largest cities,
and particularly focuses on and remember he's from you know,
King's College in London, so that's what that's that's what

(05:55):
he focuses on. And he focuses on London, Paris Burg,
and he says that they are sliding towards that what
he calls is feral status. Now, what is a feral status?
You know what a feral cat is, right, A faral cat,
just a wild cat living in your neighborhood, living in
a central business district, living downtown, living in a suburban

(06:19):
area somewhere, doesn't belong to anybody, but somehow manages to
live just by living. Farrell, Well, what is a feral
status for a city? See if any of this sounds familiar,
maybe not so much in the United States, but Copenhagen, Amsterdam, London, Paris, Berlin,

(06:42):
no go zones, Well we've had those here. Private militias
those are more widespread probably, I mean I can't, I
can't cite any empirical data, but my gut tells me
private militias are much more widespread and overseas than the
even are in this country. Fragmented policing a rising underclass

(07:07):
of radicalized outsiders and angry insiders. Well, that sounds like us.
We have a vast underclass. What you know, some numbers
are that we may have an underclass of illegal aliens
of some twenty or thirty million in this country. And
some will scoff at that number and say, oh, Brown,
you're an idiot. It's much larger than that. Well, whatever

(07:27):
the number is, that is a rising underclass of radicalized outsiders,
and that creates angry insiders. You can't tell me that
you're not angry about this. And if you're not angry
about it, you're not then you're not paying attention to
your local hospitals, your local schools, your local infrastructure. When

(07:51):
you really pay attention to it and you start asking
where that money's going, you'll probably you probably will get angry.
Trust in government has evaporated. And when trust in government evaporates,
the social contract is shattered, because we don't want to
live in anarchy. As much as I distrust all levels

(08:13):
of government, and I don't mean to say that I
think all levels of government are corrupt, but I don't
trust them because they act not in their own self,
and well many times they act on their own self interest.
But that own self interest is more about just getting
re elected, maintaining power, and taking care of their friends,

(08:37):
not thinking of society as a whole. And he argues
the professor does that rural communities already estrange feeling apart.
I mean, I know there's a huge rural urban divide
in Colorado. There may be in your state too, that
at some point those rural communities will retaliate by attacking

(08:59):
urban infrastry dructure, fiber lines, pipelines, power grids, food convoys. Now,
I know that's really an apocalyptic scene. But when the
proverbial feces hits the fan and everyone becomes trying to
protect themselves rural communities, I'd much rather be in a
rural community than an urban community. Well maybe this is

(09:22):
already begun, Maybe not so much in this country. But again,
let's go overseas and I'll give you some examples. It's
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help me spread the message, and I appreciate that. So,
like I said, this idea that trusting governments of operating
and that shatters the social contract, and that begins the
idea that all of these little broken windows start growing

(10:54):
into larger themes. And in Europe that's already begun. And
just like we oftentimes looked at California or New York
for what's going to happen in flyover country, we can
look to Europe to see what's going to happen over here. Eventually,
I wish it was always the other way around, and

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to some degree it is. I mean, American culture does
influence other cultures all over the country. Having traveled the
entire world, with the exception of Antarctica and Africa, I
really have seen American influence all over the world. But
I've seen a lot of influence from Europe here. Let

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me give you an example. July of last year, there
was this coordinated arson that crippled France's high speed rail
network during the Olympics. Remember that made all the news headlines.
London saw mass sabotage of its surveillance cameras by so

(12:00):
called blade runners, referencing the movie remember when Heathrow. Heathrow
lost one thousand, three hundred flights after a key power
station fire. Hmm, just an accident. Inquiring minds want to know.

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We've had elite communication infrastructure that's been deliberately targeted in
both Paris and Marseille. Those, in my opinion, are not accidents.
And Professor Bett cites the shocking vulnerability of critical infrastructure
almost everywhere, and I want you to think about it here.
Key sites, in particular gas compressors in rural zones, rural

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areas that help get natural gas to heat homes and
power and generate electricity, major accident hazard pipelines, transformer towers,
all virtually left unguarded. It wouldn't take a military, just
an angry person with a four wheel drive and a grudge,

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or I don't know, maybe a homemade flowing thayer flame
thrower and some molotov cocktails, or somebody driving it, you know,
like he says, driving a Jeep, Grand Cherokee or a
hummer or something into a power substation. Next time you're
driving around major city, minor city, rural area, you will,

(13:30):
if you look, see an electrical substation. And at least
in this country, what will you see. Or you'll see
a chain link fence, see a warning sign, and you'll
see a no trespassing sign, which I always laugh about
because I think the stupid no trespassing signs are like
the gun free zone signs. Oh okay, you told me

(13:50):
not to trespass. Well watch me as I drive my
SUV through that gate as in a movie and go,
you know, on a suicide mission to plow in to
all those transformers and bring the grid down. You'll see
it too, We do not protect our critical infrastructure boggles

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my mind. And what really boggles my mind about it
is just to give you a little personal example, when
we created the Department of Homeland Security, which as you know,
I was opposed to, But when we created it, one
of the sections within the department was the Infrastructure Security
and Protection Division, and the whole idea was we were

(14:34):
going to protect and kind of harden our infrastructure, protect
things we were worried about the grid, bridges, tunnels, airports.
Now I'm not talking about TSA. I'm talking about you know,
runways and control towers, the entire air traffic control system

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that's twenty years ago, and what's happened to time, not
a whole lot. So when Professor Betts talks about this
distrust and the broken windows on those are my words,
not his. There's a lot of unprotected infrastructure, and we

(15:17):
already have examples of where it's being attacked. So that
vulnerability exists, whether we want to admit it or not,
but we don't spend money on protecting it because we're
too spending We're too busy spending money on other things
that we probably should not be spending money on. Think
about how much money California and New York for that matter,

(15:38):
Colorado spends. You know, the city and County of Denver,
Colorado has a humongous budget deficit and it's almost, not
quite but equal to what they're spending on the illegal
aliens in Denver. It's insanity, pure unadult rated insanity. But
when you're a Democrat runs city that what do you expect?
And that gets me to the point that I want

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to swerve into next. If there was any proof needed
for the predictions that Professor Betts has made, it came
in January of just this year, when the Center for
Migration Control in Europe with the EU released its first
full national Migrant Crime Report, and the findings are absolutely astonishing.

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Here listening to the Weekend with Michael Brown, text your
questions or comments to this number three three ones zero
three keyword Mike or Michael. Oh oh well yeah, I'm sorry,
I'm off of my clock here, let me finish this.
So these findings about the migrant crime report were simply astonishing.

(16:48):
Let me start these migrants make up ever talking about Europe,
migrants make up about nine percent of the population, but
the accounted for more than sixteen percent of all arrests
last year, migrants illegal aliens arrest rate twenty four per

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one thousand. That is double the number of British born
citizens at twelve per one thousand. Sexual offenses one hundred
and sixty eight per one hundred thousand versus forty five
per one hundred thousand, three and a half times higher

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for illegal aliens versus British citizens. There were more than
nine thousand illegal alien sex offenses in the first ten
months of last year, which amounted to twenty six percent
of the entire total. I mean gotten to London as
a specific example. I'll do that next. Hang tight. I'll

(17:51):
be right back tonight. Michael Brown joins me here, the
former FEMA director of talk show host Michael Brown. Brownie, no, Brownie.
You're doing a heck of a job the Weekend with
Michael Brown. You're listening to the Weekend with Michael Brown,
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six to ten mountain time. No, I'm focusing on Europe
simply because this is what Professor Betts has done. But

(18:58):
I could I could take all of these stats about
illegal alien crime and pull them over into the United
States also, and I was about to get in to London.
In London, for example, illegal aliens make up sixty seven

(19:19):
percent of all sex crime arrests sixty seven percent. Afghans
are twenty two percent more likely to commit sex crimes.
Albanians thirty times more likely to be convicted of sex crimes,
but overall, illegal aliens are seventy one percent more likely

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than Brits to be convicted. The most overrepresented groups Albanians, Afghans, Iraqi, Somalians,
Algerians forty eight nationalities forty eight had higher a rates

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than the native British population. Now that's not hate, that's
not race, that's not racism, it's not prejudice, that statistical fact.
It's what you and I see what the elites want
to suppress. And that is lighter fluid. That's lighter fluid

(20:28):
for a fire that is brewing, because what Professor Batz
describes as tribal fracture lines are actually being deepened by
this illegal alien related crime wave and a political class
which is true in this country too, but particularly in
the UK. It's too cowardly to admit it. The people

(20:50):
will and people intuitively know it. Now, what I like
about Professor Betts is he doesn't just wave the red flag.
He actually maps out the battlefield. What would civil war
look like in the modern West, And he outlines four things,

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And I know we might we might say this is
the Denzel Washington's Book of Eli scene right now, in
that apocalyptic scene where he's trying to get to Alcatraz
where they're trying to revive and save all the great
books of society after some unknown apocalypse. So while these

(21:35):
are extreme, you have to admit and if you don't,
I'd like to know why, But you have to admit
that of the four things I'm about to describe, you
know you have seen these. You've seen them maybe sporadically
in the United States and perhaps more permanently in Europe

(21:57):
or other countries. Or you've seen them in some of
the tyrannical dictatorships around the world. But nonetheless you have
to admit that in this country you've seen some of
the beginning signs of them. So what are they? Well,
remember we started the program out today with those useful

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idiots in Los Angeles that were trying to prevent immigrations
and customs enforcement from detaining and deporting illegal aliens. Well,
the number one of the four things that Batts points
out as kind of points in the battlefield are these

(22:41):
foral cities and urban unraveling. Because cities begin to fracture,
you have racial enclaves, identity policing, gated zones, and then
Professor Betts predicts that there would be full collapse in
several European capitals within five years. So the more we

(23:02):
allow the broken windows theory to apply, the more widespread crime,
identity policing, gated zones, no go zones, the more they proliferate,
and so the more large cities begin to unravel. The
second one cultural erasure or iconoclism, will put it that way, iconiclism,

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because a civil war destroys memory in Spain, burn the churches,
the Taliban, they raise all the Buddhas. Westerns. What do
we do in this country? What do we do here?
We've kind of stopped it, but for a while. Remember
we're going to tear down the statues, including of the
founding fathers. Well, what's the purpose of that. Whether you

(23:52):
agree with the history or not. The history is the history,
pimples and all. Whether it's fair skin, beautiful, pure skin
versus pimpled skin, that's our history. But when you start

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erasing particular parts of the history, what are you doing.
You are destroying memory. Western statues fall, and that's ones
that governments have got to catalog, secure and hide their treasures.
This is one reason why I think, I mean, among
many reasons, but I think at the heart of the

(24:36):
Frenches and Emmanuel Macrone's desire to rebuild the cathedral of
Notre Dame as quickly and rapidly as possible was to
preserve that culture and to not allow that to disappear
from their society. It was too iconic, it was too
much a part of who they are, and so they
preserved it. Have to catalog they have to secure, they

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have to hide their treasure sometimes. You know what the
Brits do during World War Two, That's exactly what they did.
They cataloged all of their treasures and they absconded with
it to the countryside, or they hid it. They buried
it deep in vaults. They did everything they could to
preserve that British history. They're great stories about that from

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World War II to this day. What do we do
in terms of the art stolen by the Nazis? We
still have people out there that are hunting and trying
to trace it down and get it back to their
rightful owners, because we have to remember that history and
that culture. So you got those two things, feral cities
with the urban unraveling that comes from that, You've got

(25:48):
the cultural erasure. And then you get to the third one,
secure zones and mass flight because Betts argues that as
the cities begin to deteriorate, Bets calls for designated safe
zones that will have stable energy, airports, clean water, and

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he argues that those may not be luxuries, but actual lifeboats.
Energy necessary for everything, airports in order to maintain commerce
and travel and move ability, clean water without which you
won't exist. And then number four, he just points out

(26:34):
that the nukes are in the rubble. You know, the
old Soviet Union nearly collapse with nukes in hand. The
West has more nuclear states but less unity. So we
ought to get protocols locked down before they're tested in

(26:58):
the fire. Now that one seems a little far fetched,
But what if, for example, Vladimir Putin decides that even
though he keeps threatening to use nuclear weapons, never really
does because while he may be backcrap crazy, nonetheless he

(27:22):
might actually cross that rubicon and do it. Why do
you think Trump's working so hard to keep the Iranians
from getting a nuclear weapon because we know they are
backcrap crazy, and we know they are hell been on
the destruction of Israel, and they want to control the
Middle East. So all of these things are going on

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which could lead to the collapse of Western civilization. And
Betts talks about what every revolutionary radical in this country
and in Europe already knows, and that that is that cities,
urban areas are soft targets. If you can collapse the cities,

(28:08):
you can collapse the system. In two thousand and seven,
a bunch of French leftists wrote this, the streets team
with incivilities. The infrastructure is vulnerable, flows of power and
data can be attacked. Now, Bets didn't quote that to

(28:31):
offer them praise or for any sort of wisdom. He
quotes them because those leftists understand what our leaders ignore,
and frankly, what I think most of American society doesn't ignore,
but just isn't aware of. And that's the whole purpose

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of spending as much time as I have in the
past week or so talking about the collapse of Western
civilization is to simply, in my little sphere of influence,
to make you aware of and think about that collapse.
He exposes the failure of multiculturalism, where pride is allowed
for every tribe except the ones that actually built the
country in question. That's not diversity, that's actually I would

(29:15):
consider to be sabotage. So the democratic split is also
geographic because the city is hyper diverse. Right cities are
made you think about Los Angeles or Denver, Chicago, New York.
The team with diversity countryside is pretty much still grounded.

(29:36):
And that's why Professor Betts for seasoned urban rural war
somewhere in Europe's future fought with sabotage, siege, tribal lines.
Think it's fantasy, then explain why the infrastructure keeps getting there.
The infrastructure keeping your fridge running is still just protected

(29:58):
by that stupid chainle fence and no trespassing sign. Yeah,
oh okay, Well I was going to go sabotage that substation,
but it says no trespassing, so I'll go somewhere else.
And if you believe that, you'll believe anything. It's the
weekend of Michael Brown. Text line number three three one

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zero three. Keyword Mike or Michael. Go follow me on
xat Michael Brown USA. I'll be right back. Hey, welcome
back to the Beacon with Michael Brown. I appreciate you
tuning in and really do so. I want to wrap
up this essay from Professor Betts King's College in London

(30:42):
about the demise of Western civilization. He verges in or
swerves into economics, and I just want to mention four
things quickly about economics. He says, part of the expectation
gap between what people were promised and what they actually

(31:03):
live is where revolutions are normally born. So you grow
up and you, for example, you know, I grew up.
I grew up in an era where everyone expected their
children to be better off than they were or to
you know, get the proverbial college education that they never got.

(31:28):
Is that American dream still alive or if it is,
how has it changed and if we actually educated people
to the change and what the American I'm not saying
the American dream is dead or not dead. I'm just
gonna be saying, has it perhaps changed? Is it different?
And if we failed to keep up with the change
of the American dream in terms of how and what

(31:49):
we educate people about so that they can live the
American dream. I think at its core, the American dream
is the same, and that is individuals acting on their
own self will exercising individual liberty and freedom in a
society where we have representative government that is limited in nature,

(32:10):
and we have free markets that allow us to pursue
those monetary dreams and be as successful as we want
to want to be. Some people want to be and
work harder and be more successful than others, but they
all have that power within themselves to explore it. Well,

(32:30):
he slams the economics, for example of de industrialization. I'm
not sure I agree with that, simply because I think
that economies changed. We go, you know, you look at
the history of man, we go from cavemen, we finally
get fire. We finally, you know, get into an agricultural economy.
Then it kind of evolves into an industrial economy. And
now we're kind of going into an information economy, and

(32:52):
that's kind of going to move into whatever this is
going to be with artificial intelligence. But the reason I
say I'm not sure I agree that the industrialization is
that no matter what the future like looks like, we'll
still need forms of transportation, will still need food to eat,

(33:13):
will still need housing, We'll still need clothing, We'll still
need things that in terms of industrialization, will still need.
The second thing of these slams in terms of economics
is immigration fueled housing crises. Well, I'm not sure that
we're here to the point that Europe is and we're

(33:35):
trying to reverse that, which Europe is not. But we
can see a speca of it in American society, and
that is where you spend five hundred dollars a night
to house an illegal alien in a hotel in midtown
Manhattan as opposed to, oh, putting them in a detention center,

(33:56):
because the detention center means that, oh, they're going to
get it hearing and probably deported. But if you put
them at a more expensive place where they're kind of outside,
out of mind, well, using up all those hotel rooms
in New York City necessarily increases the cost of other

(34:18):
hotels that might be available for business travelers or tourists
or others. So there may be some of that here,
but it's not to the extent that it is in Europe.
But the third thing he points out, it is everywhere
this skyrocketing debt. The world can't sustain this debt. And

(34:38):
it's not just us. Don't hold me to these figures,
but China. Communists China, their debt is I think upwards
are three hundred percent of their gross domestic product. And
we don't really know what their GDP is because they
lie about everything. But some number I saw somewhere was
that it was about three hundred and sixty seven percent

(34:59):
of their GDP. Ours exceeds one hundred percent, and then
you have the collapse of the middle class, which is
necessary for a stable society. Will always have poor people,
will always have rich people, but you need a broad,
diverse middle class to maintain social cohesion and to provide,

(35:24):
you know, a sustainable economy. And he warns that that
expectation gap that I mentioned between what people are promised
or believed they can achieve and what they actually live,
that that, indeed is where revolutions are born. You know,
scholars say right now there's a four percent chance of

(35:44):
civil war in nations that have exactly the right conditions. Well,
that translates into an eighty seven per chant eighty seven
percent chance of at least one major Western country breaking
within the next five years, eighty seven percent chance. I

(36:05):
think we've reversed our chances. Now. Whether we can maintain
that reversal depends on our domestic politics, depends upon how
well we're able to recognize and live with some of
the difficulties that are going to come to reverse the
course that this country's been on. Because once you're hell

(36:27):
bent on a full bore European style socialist system, which
is what the Democrats want, getting off that highway is
not a smooth exit ramp. No it's like just cutting
across the drainage ditch and trying to get onto a
different road. That's what we're doing right now. It's the
weekend with Michael Brown. Text line three to three one

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zero three, keyword Mike or Michael elon Musk, what the
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