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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As a fan of William Shatner, who watched the original
episodes as a four or five and six year old,
had the opening monologue memorized for years. And then I
heard Patrick Stewart say the opening monologue and finally realized
that it wasn't a bold lego. It was boldly go.
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Love Shatner, but he always pronounced things weird.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Here you go, wonderful time.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Now for the second hour, Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
This is the situation room.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
And of course tomorrow is Independence Day. And I'm not
saying the fourth of July it's Independence Day.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I said it very pointedly.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Although in eighteen fifty two there was one of I
think one of the most profound addresses ever given in
the history of this country by the great abolitionist at
that time. A slave who had his former slave, who
had his skin aped bondage, and I believe eighteen thirty
eighty was born into slavery. Frederick Douglas gave a speech
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in Rochester, New York entitled what to the slave is
the fourth of July? And we have some of a
recording from a rendition of part of that speech, and
this will lead into our guest by James Earl Jones,
no better voice. May he rest in peace.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
What to the American slave is your fourth of July?
I answer a day that reveals to him, more than
all other days of the year, the gross injustice and
cruelty to which he is a constant victim. To him,
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your celebration is a sham, your busted liberty, an unholy license,
Your national greatness swelling vanity. Your sounds of rejoicing are
empty and heartless. Your denunciation of tyrants brass fronted impudence,
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Your shots of liberty and equality hollow mockery. Your prayers
and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all, your religious
parade and solemnity, are to him mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety,
and hypocrisy, a thin veil to cover up crimes that
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wouldn't that would disgrace a nation of savages.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
There's not a nation of the earth.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the
people of these United States at this very hour.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
This, of course, thirteen years before slavery would really be
did in this country at the end of the Civil War.
Remarkably presented by James Earl Jones with the words written
and spoken in eighteen fifty two by Frederick Douglas, who
really highlighted something I think very important, the hypocrisy of America,
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the wonder of the saving principles of the Declaration, and
how the United States, as we heard there, was not
living up to those principles. Doctor Lucas Morell is professor
of politics and head of the Politics Department at Washington
and Lee University in Virginia. He's senior Fellow of the
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Claremont Institute, the author of a number of books, including
one coming out in October with another tremendous professor from Virginia,
Jonathan White. The book entitled Measuring the Man The Writings
of Frederick Douglas on Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Lucas Morrell joins me.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Now, good morning, sir, and happy Independence Day.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Good morning.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Nice to be here, Jimmy, beautiful to have you on
this morning, and appreciate your time. So we heard a
little bit James Earl Jones from that portion of What
to the Slave is the fourth of July. I'm going
to ask you a broad question. We were talking off
air before the interview about this. How do you view
that speech, particularly in light of as we were discussing
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the first third of the speech that is very laudatory
about the United States of America and so forth, and
what the speech is really telling about that moment in time.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Yeah, I appreciate you bringing up that speech. It's not
only his most popular speech. I think it's his greatest speech.
It's eighteen fifty two. He's only been back in America
for about five years because he had to flee the
country because when he published his autobiography Narrative of the
Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave, written by himself.
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He adds, he had to flee within months because under
the Fugitive Slave Act he could be caught and return
to his legal peutti master. He couldn't return to the
United States until his legal manumission was paid for by friends,
most of them in Britain, British abolitionists. So he comes
back and it's really the first great speech he delivers
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when he finally comes to the conclusion that the Constitution is,
by that point in time, in his mind, a glorious
liberty document, even though it has these compromises with slavery.
But the first third of the speech. He is all
praised for the Founders. And it's odd because he knows
better than anybody that the founders, a good number of them,
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and the leading ones, right Madison, Jefferson, George Washington, they're
all slaveholders. He studiously avoids mentioning that. Why why does
he hide that from his audience. Well, he knows that
his audience knows that they were slaveholders. But Frederick Douglas,
his genius was he teaches us how to.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Look to the past.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
And what he does is he says, I see past
the thing that they failed to do, and admire and
recognize and appreciate what they weren't able to achieve. You
mentioned that he referred to the Declaration's principles as saving principles.
He called them eternal principles, and by eternal he meant
that they were fixed, they wouldn't change, and these were
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the key to the growth, prosperity and freedom of the country.
And so what he wanted the present the current generation
to appreciate is that was the key to their progress.
In other words, there were still major things left to do,
like abolishing slavery. What they weren't able to do. The
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current generation could do because of what they the previous
generation you can follow me was put on paper, which is,
all men are created equal, all possessed as a birth right,
the rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. And
you can't tell people what to do without asking their permission.
He said, this is the very ring bolt of your
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nation's destiny. And he always emphasized how young the nation
was because it could grow. It wasn't finished growing, we
would say today, it wasn't finished progressing. Right. We weren't forming,
we weren't perfect, yet we were forming a more perfect union.
So Douglas showed us what we could do about the
present situation on the basis of principles that the founders
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got right. I remember the first inaugural address of William
Jefferson Clinton. Bill Clinton said, there's nothing wrong with America
that cannot be cured by what is right with America.
And that is so key and I think so liberating
for us today.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It is remarkable, Professor Lucas Morale, that you have a
man at that time who's self taught, who went through
all of the horrors of slavery, managed to escape returned,
as you said, to America just handful of years later,
and here he is giving a speech in Rochester, New York,
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talking about the hypocrisy of the United States of America.
And then years later you would finally see the end
of that horrid institution, but still even more to go
with the Jim Crow Laws that would be in effect
in the South, and so much more for another one
hundred years until about the time we saw the Civil
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Rights Act, And of course we had all the protests
and everything that was going on in the fifties and
the sixties and integration and so forth. When you look
at that history, I view it and I'm wondering if
you agree. I would suspect that you do as an
exemplification of what he's talking about, that you are living
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a hypocrisy, living out hypocrisy in contravention to the principles
you state in the Constitution and in the Declaration of Independence.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
And you need to do better.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And we are constantly working to improve how we.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Are and what we do and living up to our
own word.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Yeah. The way I teach this to my students is
I described the civil I describe American history as one
long civil rights movement. And when I say movement, I
don't want to imply or suggest that it's all progress
right every step we're just constantly moving forward. It's more
like two steps forward, one step back. Right. We preserve
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the union, we preserve the meaning of America as a
dedication to equality, We get rid of slavery. And then
what happens. Reconstruction is working, the black man is getting
the vote, things are looking well. And then what happens, right,
domestic terrorism, the ku Klux Klan both, Yeah, the southern
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states that had tried to secede, the ex rebels regain power,
and then we see the failure of reconstruction. And so
this is a long time coming. So when I refer
to what King and others were doing in the fifties
and sixties to align us better, more closely with our principles,
I refer to that as the modern civil rights movement.
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It wasn't just like, you know, well black said how
many rights? Until Martin Luther King was born, No blacks
were moving towards equality even before the nation was born.
Slaves were petitioning because of what they heard and what
some of them had read about what white colonists were
complaining about. They're like, wait, that applies to us too.
That's us, that's us, so even slaves before seventeen seventy six.
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In this country, black people have always been fighting for
their rights. Rights they learned not just from the Declaration
of Independence, but from the Bible, and that those two sources,
if you will, these are sources that the great French
observer Alexis to Tokville in democracy in America remarked said, wow,
in this country, what moves people to freedom in equality
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are too things. It's sur Bible, and it's the principles
of the Constitution and those we find in the Declaration
of Independence. So what makes King great? What makes you know,
the women's movement great, the right to get the right
to vote. They're always looking back to the Declaration. They're
not looking to any foreign country for things to make
us better. We've got everything we need to get us
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to overcome our hypocrisy, if.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You will amen to that.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Tomorrow, of course Independence Day fourth of July, and next
year will be the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, And
of course that means there is a commission called the
semi Quin Centennial.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
That's quite aboutful.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And as I understand it, you are one of two professors,
Lucas Morele that is on the commission for the semi
quin centennial. How do you sort of look back at
the Declaration of Independence and its meaning today as we
are a year away from that historic milestone.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yeah, we and the Commissioner are doing everything we can
in the run up to next year and most specifically
July fourth, twenty twenty six, to draw attention not just Americans,
to draw attention their attention to the nation's birth, but
the world's attention. Right, we've Abraham Lincoln, the greatest statesman
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in American history. He was the one who thought that
if America succeeds according to these principles, we give hope
to other countries for them to succeed. Right, they will
rise up and call us blessed if we succeed. That
The way that export democracy isn't by like dropping copies
of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution on countries. It's
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by making our country work well and giving hope for
freedom to others across the globe. And so what we're
doing is we're really hoping that states and they have
done this. They've formed their own commissions and plenty of
private organizations are not waiting for a federal commission tell
them what to do. They themselves are already doing things,
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especially on the civic education front, to teach their states
and their territories the meaning of America and how they
can find what's going well, what's prospering them today, how
they can tie that back to the principles of the Declaration,
the principles of the Founding. I live in Virginia, and
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that was one of the founding the thirteen Founding colonies
turned states. But we know that this is a celebration
that can justly be joined by all the other states
and territories of the United States, because we think that
they have prospered precisely because of how American they were
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in their formation and their territorial status and their statehood,
and all that they're doing now we think can be
tied closely to what was done way back in seventeen
seventy six.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Absolutely, just a few minutes left with our guest, professor
Lucas Morale, co author along with Jonathan White, of a
book that will be released in October, Measuring the Man,
the writings of Frederick Douglass on Abraham Lincoln. Since you
mentioned good old Abe Lincoln. I'd be remiss if I
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didn't ask you to sort of give us the top
line on what Frederick Douglas's view was of Lincoln, because
it's not so simple as it no.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It is.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
In brief, we tend to think of those two great
Americans as like minded because what makes them most American
is the things that they loved about America, and that's
especially the Declaration of Independence. But we forget that. During
the Civil War in particular, Frederick Douglas was a fierce
critic of Lincoln because he didn't think Lincoln moved quickly
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enough on abolishing slavery, he didn't move quickly enough and
equitably enough on enlisting black men as soldiers and sailors.
And so what our book does is it shows what
Frederick Douglas said or wrote about Abraham Lincoln over a
thirty six year period, starting in eighteen fifty eight with
Lincoln's Great House Divided speech when he was standing for
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office to replace Stephen Douglas in the Senate, all the
way up to eighteen ninety four, a year before Frederick
Douglas dies. Douglas has Lincoln on his mind, and he's
constantly pointing out the ways in which Lincoln was great
and the ways in which Lincoln disappoints him. And so
this book is, you know, it's got several introductions by
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Jonathan Whiton myself, but it's all Douglas. All Douglas in
what he points out about Lincoln that's worth thinking about,
whether you agree with him or not. At the end
of the day, I agree more with Lincoln than Frederick Douglas,
but I think it's a journey in civic education, in
watching one great orator examine the oratory and the actions
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of another great orator.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
As we wrap up with you, Professor Morele, how should
Americans today, in your view, look back at the founding
era of this country.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
At bottom, we have to remember that what unites us
is more important than what divides us, and we can
find what unites us in the Declaration Independence. We need
to have more conversations about the meaning of the declaration.
There's a debate over what the founders meant by the declaration.
Did they mean all men that are created equal to
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include literally all human beings for all time, or was
it just all white Anglo Saxon prost meant those are
important discussions we need to have. But the good news
is in the principles of the declaration understood. I think
on a close reading and a discussion of all the
other things that were being said at the time, I
think that we could come to the conclusion that this
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really was intended as a statement of what Jefferson referred
to as a reflection of the American mind. What does
it mean when we were setting out on our own
right we had to fight a war to be allowed
and respected in governing ourselves? What does it mean to
govern ourselves according to principles that are universal equality, rights,
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government by consent. These are things I think that can
unite us today and that can help us continue to prosper.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
As a beautiful, beautiful way to end the conversation, Professor
Lucas Morell of Washington and Lee University, Senior Fellow of
the Claremont Institute, thank you so much for joining us
today and Happy Independence Day.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
At the Independence Day once.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Again Lucas Morrell joining us. What a fascinating, wonderful conversation.
We'll pick it up on the other side and read
the Declaration of Independence in full at the top of
the hour.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Keep it here.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Corning Jimmy and Dragon. Hey, Jimmy, I'm asking you a question.
I asked mister Caldera a couple of weeks ago, what's
your preference screen Orion women or hot Vulcan chicks? Inquiring
minds want to know.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Oh wow, Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown getting the
tough questions via the talkbacks, keep them coming. I don't
want the cackle, nor do you, nor does Dragon, although
he might sometimes get some fun out of the cackle.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
I am the disciplinarian around here, and I do not
have a problem handing out the discipline.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Gosh, that question, though, is really tough. I would probably
have to go with Vulcan women. One of the reasons
is that, well, you do a little research into what
really is the deal with the so called Orian slave
girls and Orion women, and you know.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
Less drama but uh uh a less play time because
it's only what once every seven years.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
They're very controlling. Yeah, and actually then less drama you're not.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Okay, fair enough, You're not going to get the workhouse
gossip of clucks.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah yeah, but with the Vulcans in particular, though, I mean,
they're not going to be gossiping. True, they are going
to keep it real and that's what they will do.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
But they will also tell you what's on their mind,
whether that you want it, so.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
That ain't that the truth? But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Watch Star Trek Enterprise and uh uh see to Paul
and that might convince you. Jimmy san Berger get in
for Michael Brown. What a question the goobers have the
texts that have been coming in and look, I had
to mention this earlier in the program first hour, we
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talked about Wanda Janecu Regent being censured by her colleagues
because she was trying to gut funding for a program
of public awareness program regarding THCHC high potency THCHC and
its impact on kids and pregnant women, so.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
On and so forth.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
She claimed, no, these images are racist, even though they
put out images that were also of white children and
completely identical, but no, forget that the whole thing was racist,
and she kept pushing and pushing and pushing to get
rid of it, to end.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The programs funding. And anyway, you can check that out
and dig in.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
The point is she was censured yesterday in a seven
to one to one vote that is to say one
vote a no, and one abstention, which was Wanda James.
And also there was a second resolution that was passed
for sanctions, and the sanctions include And I'm glad to
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have clarification here because she's not going to be able
to do this one thing anymore. And I think we'll
really disappoint her. Goober number fourteen ninety seven, texting in earlier. Yes,
there is a private box for football games for regions.
It's amazing. I go at least once a year with
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my region. Well, aren't you lucky? Wanda James? Not so lucky,
because she has been denied. They've been revoked, her privileges, dragging,
her privileges have been revoked to go see the buffs
and enjoy that box. Now, I'm sure she can go
buy her tickets like every one of us.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, but she's.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Not going to get the free freebie in the box
and free games. Not just the boss I mean, I
mean not just the football games, but all the sports
and everything.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Well, oh, dark, well earned. Let me just tell you
that we do have some news today.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
US payrolls increased by one hundred forty seven thousand in June,
which was higher than the estimate for one hundred ten
thousand and just above the upwardly revised one hundred forty
four thousand in May. Job growth indeed proving better than
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expected in June, boosted by government hiring, though to keep
that in mind, it is government hiring that is boosting
those numbers in particular, this according to CNBC. But of
course the markets are liking that in terms of more payrolls,
more people getting jobs, better than expected report the S
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and P five hundred now at another fresh record, So
that is I mean, I never like when it's government
that's the basis for the primary basis for increased payrolls,
for more jobs being created, but hey, it is showing
some resilience to this economy. I think at some point
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the nice good times will come to an end if
the tariffs get out of control and keep going, because
that will squeeze businesses. It already is, but thankfully they're
managing to work through it, although a lot of small
businesses are not. People will be able to squeeze by
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hopefully for now. But how long will that last? That
is a different question. I am a to be clear,
I'm a free trade guy. I vehemently oppose the President's
policies on trade, and I don't believe that tariffs are
a vehicle for leverage. Now, speaking of tariffs and the
question of cutting rates, is President Trump puts tremendous pressure
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on the Federal Reserve to reduce use the federal funds rate.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Here is Chairman J.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Powell, who the President would like to see it go
and might even name a successor to try and incentivize
him to leave about tariffs and cutting rates.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
But with the FEN have cut more by now if
it weren't for the tariffs.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
So I do think that I think that's right. We're
in effect we went on hold when we saw the
size of the tariffs and where and essentially all inflation
forecasts for the United States went up materially as a
consequence of the tariffs. So we didn't overreact. In fact,
we didn't react at all. We're simply taking some time.
As long as the US economy is in solid shape,
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we think the prudent thing to do is to wait
and learn more and see what those effects might be.
And again they haven't really shown up, and you know,
so we're for now we're waiting.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
There are a lot of underlying dynamics that are difficult
for the economy, and that will be exacerbated by the
tariffs and what we're seeing with trade war over time.
But does that mean that the FED should cut rates
or not. I tend to think that the role of
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the Federal Reserve is vastly overstated, and that when they
do things, it often has more detrimental effects than positive effects.
And I think we saw that certainly during the Great Recession.
But that's also because they decided to bring out some
new tools in the toolbox, like quantitative easing, that were disastrous.
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This is just talking about the regular method of cutting
the federal funds rate.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Will that have an outsized impact to help the economy.
I don't know that it will.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Could it hurt potentially, But I do worry about President
Trump insisting in this way that he should have his
wishes abided politicians. You need to have some of that
separation from politicians from the economic policy position of the FED.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And having someone appointed to replace J.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Powell who was simply abide by the wishes of President Trump.
I don't think that's how things should be done, and
probably we'll bring about more problems. The FED causes more
detrimental effects than anything positive, and I think that should
guide us moving forward.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I'm Jimmy Seenberger filling in for Michael Brown.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
The time is flying by here on the Situation Room.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
We'll pick it up on the other side, right here
on Denver's talk station six point thirty k out.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I swear Michael Brown takes more time off than a
homeless person.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown for the first time
in a while.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's good to be back, good.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
To be here with Dragon, and good to hear some
black magic Woman something that mister undisclosed location never gets
to hear on the air, Ain't that right, Dragon.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
That's what happens when you tell me what your favorite.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Song is, there you go. You never get it, You
get denied. Good thing.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I handpicked my bumper music a lot of times, except
I say, hey, Dragon, go ahead and you can plug
in here. Now, I do have to say, you and
the other great producers behind the glass that we have
prod I heart Denver are gracious enough to let me
plug in some of that music.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
So I just I'm grateful.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Butt's here's the thing we like you, I know, so
we'll work with you and have fun with you.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
But for Michael, ladies and gentlemen breaking news they like
me here that is amazing. Speaking of amazing, the Declaration
of Independence is amazing. Top of the next hour, we
will read by we, I mean me, I will read
the entirety of the Declaration of Independence and do so
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as it was meant to be, with inflection, with energy,
with passion. I encourage you to get a copy ready.
And if you have kids, wake them up. It may
be summer, but it is Independence Day eve and we
all need to do it together. Make this a family
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affair right here on six point thirty k how coming
up top of the next hour, don't miss it.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
With that said, hit it dragon.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
I'm a bluesman, math you know that is true. I'm
a bluesman.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
No, you knows that is true.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
I'm a bluesman through it truth.
Speaker 11 (29:23):
Manis old because you.
Speaker 9 (29:29):
I'm alman. You know that's true.
Speaker 11 (29:39):
Losing pretty bad, you know that is true. Well, I'm
a blues man through it truth.
Speaker 12 (29:50):
And Bab's old because you, my baby, don't gonna left
for you behind ram.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
She didn't even giving me a chance to say.
Speaker 13 (30:05):
Aman, Dragon, Dragon, Dragon.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
That's me.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
If you can't tell from the voice, that's yours truly
doing the vocals and the harmonica the Jimmy Junior Blues Band,
and we will be performing at in the Zone Sports
Bar and Grill in Golden Out on the patio this Saturday,
July fifth, And I am absolutely stoked for this show. Dragon,
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What do you think?
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I like it?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Bring up the heart, Bring up the heart for a moment, brother.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
So one thing I love about the blues is the
ability to sort of improvise and just have some fun
and play around.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
And that's what you will, That's what we love to do.
I should I'd be remiss if.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
I didn't, since I'm doing this shameless plug for the
Jimmy Junior Blues Band in the Zone Sports Bar and
Grill seven to eleven pm on this coming Saturday, July.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Fifth, if I didn't say that.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
On guitar, we now have Steve Gonzalez on drums, Mike
Rossi on the bass, Ken Cornell, and special guests Katie
Johnson that's my sister, will be singing some tunes with us,
and the tremendous guitarist David Brooks will be sitting in
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as well. For several tunes and singing one or two.
It's just gonna be a great time. It's Independence Day weekend.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Dragon.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
You gotta have a great time, right of course, and
we will continue the great time on the other side
with the reading of the Declaration of Independence. Get yours
in front of you, get your kids, let's have some fun.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Keep it here. Two more hours to go.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown six point thirty k out.
Speaker 9 (32:36):
Come on now, people.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I'm.
Speaker 10 (32:49):
Thru and bab because you know it's true.
Speaker 9 (33:05):
The Blues Man read you knew was the truth. The
Blues Man truid believe it. It's all because of you.
As a fan of William Shatner, who watched the original
episodes as a four or five and six year old,
had the opening monologue memorized for years. And then I
heard Patrick Stewart say the opening monologue and finally realized
that it wasn't a bold lego. It was boldly go.
(00:21):
Love Shatner, but he always pronounced things weird.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Here you go, wonderful time.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Now for the second hour, Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
This is the situation room.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
And of course tomorrow is Independence Day. And I'm not
saying the fourth of July it's Independence Day.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I said it very pointedly.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Although in eighteen fifty two there was one of I
think one of the most profound addresses ever given in
the history of this country by the great abolitionist at
that time. A slave who had his former slave, who
had his skin aped bondage, and I believe eighteen thirty
eighty was born into slavery. Frederick Douglas gave a speech
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in Rochester, New York entitled what to the slave is
the fourth of July? And we have some of a
recording from a rendition of part of that speech, and
this will lead into our guest by James Earl Jones,
no better voice. May he rest in peace.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
What to the American slave is your fourth of July?
I answer a day that reveals to him, more than
all other days of the year, the gross injustice and
cruelty to which he is a constant victim. To him,
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your celebration is a sham, your busted liberty, an unholy license,
Your national greatness swelling vanity. Your sounds of rejoicing are
empty and heartless. Your denunciation of tyrants brass fronted impudence,
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Your shots of liberty and equality hollow mockery. Your prayers
and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all, your religious
parade and solemnity, are to him mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety,
and hypocrisy, a thin veil to cover up crimes that
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wouldn't that would disgrace a nation of savages.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
There's not a nation of the earth.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the
people of these United States at this very hour.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
This, of course, thirteen years before slavery would really be
did in this country at the end of the Civil War.
Remarkably presented by James Earl Jones with the words written
and spoken in eighteen fifty two by Frederick Douglas, who
really highlighted something I think very important, the hypocrisy of America,
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the wonder of the saving principles of the Declaration, and
how the United States, as we heard there, was not
living up to those principles. Doctor Lucas Morell is professor
of politics and head of the Politics Department at Washington
and Lee University in Virginia. He's senior Fellow of the
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Claremont Institute, the author of a number of books, including
one coming out in October with another tremendous professor from Virginia,
Jonathan White. The book entitled Measuring the Man The Writings
of Frederick Douglas on Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Lucas Morrell joins me.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Now, good morning, sir, and happy Independence Day.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Good morning.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Nice to be here, Jimmy, beautiful to have you on
this morning, and appreciate your time. So we heard a
little bit James Earl Jones from that portion of What
to the Slave is the fourth of July. I'm going
to ask you a broad question. We were talking off
air before the interview about this. How do you view
that speech, particularly in light of as we were discussing
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the first third of the speech that is very laudatory
about the United States of America and so forth, and
what the speech is really telling about that moment in time.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Yeah, I appreciate you bringing up that speech. It's not
only his most popular speech. I think it's his greatest speech.
It's eighteen fifty two. He's only been back in America
for about five years because he had to flee the
country because when he published his autobiography Narrative of the
Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave, written by himself.
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He adds, he had to flee within months because under
the Fugitive Slave Act he could be caught and return
to his legal peutti master. He couldn't return to the
United States until his legal manumission was paid for by friends,
most of them in Britain, British abolitionists. So he comes
back and it's really the first great speech he delivers
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when he finally comes to the conclusion that the Constitution is,
by that point in time, in his mind, a glorious
liberty document, even though it has these compromises with slavery.
But the first third of the speech. He is all
praised for the Founders. And it's odd because he knows
better than anybody that the founders, a good number of them,
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and the leading ones, right Madison, Jefferson, George Washington, they're
all slaveholders. He studiously avoids mentioning that. Why why does
he hide that from his audience. Well, he knows that
his audience knows that they were slaveholders. But Frederick Douglas,
his genius was he teaches us how to.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Look to the past.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
And what he does is he says, I see past
the thing that they failed to do, and admire and
recognize and appreciate what they weren't able to achieve. You
mentioned that he referred to the Declaration's principles as saving principles.
He called them eternal principles, and by eternal he meant
that they were fixed, they wouldn't change, and these were
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the key to the growth, prosperity and freedom of the country.
And so what he wanted the present the current generation
to appreciate is that was the key to their progress.
In other words, there were still major things left to do,
like abolishing slavery. What they weren't able to do. The
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current generation could do because of what they the previous
generation you can follow me was put on paper, which is,
all men are created equal, all possessed as a birth right,
the rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. And
you can't tell people what to do without asking their permission.
He said, this is the very ring bolt of your
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nation's destiny. And he always emphasized how young the nation
was because it could grow. It wasn't finished growing, we
would say today, it wasn't finished progressing. Right. We weren't forming,
we weren't perfect, yet we were forming a more perfect union.
So Douglas showed us what we could do about the
present situation on the basis of principles that the founders
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got right. I remember the first inaugural address of William
Jefferson Clinton. Bill Clinton said, there's nothing wrong with America
that cannot be cured by what is right with America.
And that is so key and I think so liberating
for us today.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It is remarkable, Professor Lucas Morale, that you have a
man at that time who's self taught, who went through
all of the horrors of slavery, managed to escape returned,
as you said, to America just handful of years later,
and here he is giving a speech in Rochester, New York,
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talking about the hypocrisy of the United States of America.
And then years later you would finally see the end
of that horrid institution, but still even more to go
with the Jim Crow Laws that would be in effect
in the South, and so much more for another one
hundred years until about the time we saw the Civil
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Rights Act, And of course we had all the protests
and everything that was going on in the fifties and
the sixties and integration and so forth. When you look
at that history, I view it and I'm wondering if
you agree. I would suspect that you do as an
exemplification of what he's talking about, that you are living
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a hypocrisy, living out hypocrisy in contravention to the principles
you state in the Constitution and in the Declaration of Independence.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
And you need to do better.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And we are constantly working to improve how we.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Are and what we do and living up to our
own word.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Yeah. The way I teach this to my students is
I described the civil I describe American history as one
long civil rights movement. And when I say movement, I
don't want to imply or suggest that it's all progress
right every step we're just constantly moving forward. It's more
like two steps forward, one step back. Right. We preserve
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the union, we preserve the meaning of America as a
dedication to equality, We get rid of slavery. And then
what happens. Reconstruction is working, the black man is getting
the vote, things are looking well. And then what happens, right,
domestic terrorism, the ku Klux Klan both, Yeah, the southern
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states that had tried to secede, the ex rebels regain power,
and then we see the failure of reconstruction. And so
this is a long time coming. So when I refer
to what King and others were doing in the fifties
and sixties to align us better, more closely with our principles,
I refer to that as the modern civil rights movement.
(10:13):
It wasn't just like, you know, well black said how
many rights? Until Martin Luther King was born, No blacks
were moving towards equality even before the nation was born.
Slaves were petitioning because of what they heard and what
some of them had read about what white colonists were
complaining about. They're like, wait, that applies to us too.
That's us, that's us, so even slaves before seventeen seventy six.
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In this country, black people have always been fighting for
their rights. Rights they learned not just from the Declaration
of Independence, but from the Bible, and that those two sources,
if you will, these are sources that the great French
observer Alexis to Tokville in democracy in America remarked said, wow,
in this country, what moves people to freedom in equality
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are too things. It's sur Bible, and it's the principles
of the Constitution and those we find in the Declaration
of Independence. So what makes King great? What makes you know,
the women's movement great, the right to get the right
to vote. They're always looking back to the Declaration. They're
not looking to any foreign country for things to make
us better. We've got everything we need to get us
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to overcome our hypocrisy, if.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You will amen to that.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Tomorrow, of course Independence Day fourth of July, and next
year will be the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, And
of course that means there is a commission called the
semi Quin Centennial.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
That's quite aboutful.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And as I understand it, you are one of two professors,
Lucas Morele that is on the commission for the semi
quin centennial. How do you sort of look back at
the Declaration of Independence and its meaning today as we
are a year away from that historic milestone.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yeah, we and the Commissioner are doing everything we can
in the run up to next year and most specifically
July fourth, twenty twenty six, to draw attention not just Americans,
to draw attention their attention to the nation's birth, but
the world's attention. Right, we've Abraham Lincoln, the greatest statesman
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in American history. He was the one who thought that
if America succeeds according to these principles, we give hope
to other countries for them to succeed. Right, they will
rise up and call us blessed if we succeed. That
The way that export democracy isn't by like dropping copies
of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution on countries. It's
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by making our country work well and giving hope for
freedom to others across the globe. And so what we're
doing is we're really hoping that states and they have
done this. They've formed their own commissions and plenty of
private organizations are not waiting for a federal commission tell
them what to do. They themselves are already doing things,
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especially on the civic education front, to teach their states
and their territories the meaning of America and how they
can find what's going well, what's prospering them today, how
they can tie that back to the principles of the Declaration,
the principles of the Founding. I live in Virginia, and
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that was one of the founding the thirteen Founding colonies
turned states. But we know that this is a celebration
that can justly be joined by all the other states
and territories of the United States, because we think that
they have prospered precisely because of how American they were
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in their formation and their territorial status and their statehood,
and all that they're doing now we think can be
tied closely to what was done way back in seventeen
seventy six.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Absolutely, just a few minutes left with our guest, professor
Lucas Morale, co author along with Jonathan White, of a
book that will be released in October, Measuring the Man,
the writings of Frederick Douglass on Abraham Lincoln. Since you
mentioned good old Abe Lincoln. I'd be remiss if I
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didn't ask you to sort of give us the top
line on what Frederick Douglas's view was of Lincoln, because
it's not so simple as it no.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It is.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
In brief, we tend to think of those two great
Americans as like minded because what makes them most American
is the things that they loved about America, and that's
especially the Declaration of Independence. But we forget that. During
the Civil War in particular, Frederick Douglas was a fierce
critic of Lincoln because he didn't think Lincoln moved quickly
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enough on abolishing slavery, he didn't move quickly enough and
equitably enough on enlisting black men as soldiers and sailors.
And so what our book does is it shows what
Frederick Douglas said or wrote about Abraham Lincoln over a
thirty six year period, starting in eighteen fifty eight with
Lincoln's Great House Divided speech when he was standing for
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office to replace Stephen Douglas in the Senate, all the
way up to eighteen ninety four, a year before Frederick
Douglas dies. Douglas has Lincoln on his mind, and he's
constantly pointing out the ways in which Lincoln was great
and the ways in which Lincoln disappoints him. And so
this book is, you know, it's got several introductions by
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Jonathan Whiton myself, but it's all Douglas. All Douglas in
what he points out about Lincoln that's worth thinking about,
whether you agree with him or not. At the end
of the day, I agree more with Lincoln than Frederick Douglas,
but I think it's a journey in civic education, in
watching one great orator examine the oratory and the actions
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of another great orator.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
As we wrap up with you, Professor Morele, how should
Americans today, in your view, look back at the founding
era of this country.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
At bottom, we have to remember that what unites us
is more important than what divides us, and we can
find what unites us in the Declaration Independence. We need
to have more conversations about the meaning of the declaration.
There's a debate over what the founders meant by the declaration.
Did they mean all men that are created equal to
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include literally all human beings for all time, or was
it just all white Anglo Saxon prost meant those are
important discussions we need to have. But the good news
is in the principles of the declaration understood. I think
on a close reading and a discussion of all the
other things that were being said at the time, I
think that we could come to the conclusion that this
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really was intended as a statement of what Jefferson referred
to as a reflection of the American mind. What does
it mean when we were setting out on our own
right we had to fight a war to be allowed
and respected in governing ourselves? What does it mean to
govern ourselves according to principles that are universal equality, rights,
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government by consent. These are things I think that can
unite us today and that can help us continue to prosper.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
As a beautiful, beautiful way to end the conversation, Professor
Lucas Morell of Washington and Lee University, Senior Fellow of
the Claremont Institute, thank you so much for joining us
today and Happy Independence Day.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
At the Independence Day once.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Again Lucas Morrell joining us. What a fascinating, wonderful conversation.
We'll pick it up on the other side and read
the Declaration of Independence in full at the top of
the hour.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Keep it here.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Corning Jimmy and Dragon. Hey, Jimmy, I'm asking you a question.
I asked mister Caldera a couple of weeks ago, what's
your preference screen Orion women or hot Vulcan chicks? Inquiring
minds want to know.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Oh wow, Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown getting the
tough questions via the talkbacks, keep them coming. I don't
want the cackle, nor do you, nor does Dragon, although
he might sometimes get some fun out of the cackle.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
I am the disciplinarian around here, and I do not
have a problem handing out the discipline.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Gosh, that question, though, is really tough. I would probably
have to go with Vulcan women. One of the reasons
is that, well, you do a little research into what
really is the deal with the so called Orian slave
girls and Orion women, and you know.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
Less drama but uh uh a less play time because
it's only what once every seven years.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
They're very controlling. Yeah, and actually then less drama you're not.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Okay, fair enough, You're not going to get the workhouse
gossip of clucks.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah yeah, but with the Vulcans in particular, though, I mean,
they're not going to be gossiping. True, they are going
to keep it real and that's what they will do.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
But they will also tell you what's on their mind,
whether that you want it, so.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
That ain't that the truth? But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Watch Star Trek Enterprise and uh uh see to Paul
and that might convince you. Jimmy san Berger get in
for Michael Brown. What a question the goobers have the
texts that have been coming in and look, I had
to mention this earlier in the program first hour, we
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talked about Wanda Janecu Regent being censured by her colleagues
because she was trying to gut funding for a program
of public awareness program regarding THCHC high potency THCHC and
its impact on kids and pregnant women, so.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
On and so forth.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
She claimed, no, these images are racist, even though they
put out images that were also of white children and
completely identical, but no, forget that the whole thing was racist,
and she kept pushing and pushing and pushing to get
rid of it, to end.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The programs funding. And anyway, you can check that out
and dig in.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
The point is she was censured yesterday in a seven
to one to one vote that is to say one
vote a no, and one abstention, which was Wanda James.
And also there was a second resolution that was passed
for sanctions, and the sanctions include And I'm glad to
(21:04):
have clarification here because she's not going to be able
to do this one thing anymore. And I think we'll
really disappoint her. Goober number fourteen ninety seven, texting in earlier. Yes,
there is a private box for football games for regions.
It's amazing. I go at least once a year with
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my region. Well, aren't you lucky? Wanda James? Not so lucky,
because she has been denied. They've been revoked, her privileges, dragging,
her privileges have been revoked to go see the buffs
and enjoy that box. Now, I'm sure she can go
buy her tickets like every one of us.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, but she's.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Not going to get the free freebie in the box
and free games. Not just the boss I mean, I
mean not just the football games, but all the sports
and everything.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Well, oh, dark, well earned. Let me just tell you
that we do have some news today.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
US payrolls increased by one hundred forty seven thousand in June,
which was higher than the estimate for one hundred ten
thousand and just above the upwardly revised one hundred forty
four thousand in May. Job growth indeed proving better than
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expected in June, boosted by government hiring, though to keep
that in mind, it is government hiring that is boosting
those numbers in particular, this according to CNBC. But of
course the markets are liking that in terms of more payrolls,
more people getting jobs, better than expected report the S
(22:50):
and P five hundred now at another fresh record, So
that is I mean, I never like when it's government
that's the basis for the primary basis for increased payrolls,
for more jobs being created, but hey, it is showing
some resilience to this economy. I think at some point
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the nice good times will come to an end if
the tariffs get out of control and keep going, because
that will squeeze businesses. It already is, but thankfully they're
managing to work through it, although a lot of small
businesses are not. People will be able to squeeze by
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hopefully for now. But how long will that last? That
is a different question. I am a to be clear,
I'm a free trade guy. I vehemently oppose the President's
policies on trade, and I don't believe that tariffs are
a vehicle for leverage. Now, speaking of tariffs and the
question of cutting rates, is President Trump puts tremendous pressure
(23:57):
on the Federal Reserve to reduce use the federal funds rate.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Here is Chairman J.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Powell, who the President would like to see it go
and might even name a successor to try and incentivize
him to leave about tariffs and cutting rates.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
But with the FEN have cut more by now if
it weren't for the tariffs.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
So I do think that I think that's right. We're
in effect we went on hold when we saw the
size of the tariffs and where and essentially all inflation
forecasts for the United States went up materially as a
consequence of the tariffs. So we didn't overreact. In fact,
we didn't react at all. We're simply taking some time.
As long as the US economy is in solid shape,
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we think the prudent thing to do is to wait
and learn more and see what those effects might be.
And again they haven't really shown up, and you know,
so we're for now we're waiting.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
There are a lot of underlying dynamics that are difficult
for the economy, and that will be exacerbated by the
tariffs and what we're seeing with trade war over time.
But does that mean that the FED should cut rates
or not. I tend to think that the role of
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the Federal Reserve is vastly overstated, and that when they
do things, it often has more detrimental effects than positive effects.
And I think we saw that certainly during the Great Recession.
But that's also because they decided to bring out some
new tools in the toolbox, like quantitative easing, that were disastrous.
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This is just talking about the regular method of cutting
the federal funds rate.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Will that have an outsized impact to help the economy.
I don't know that it will.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Could it hurt potentially, But I do worry about President
Trump insisting in this way that he should have his
wishes abided politicians. You need to have some of that
separation from politicians from the economic policy position of the FED.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And having someone appointed to replace J.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Powell who was simply abide by the wishes of President Trump.
I don't think that's how things should be done, and
probably we'll bring about more problems. The FED causes more
detrimental effects than anything positive, and I think that should
guide us moving forward.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I'm Jimmy Seenberger filling in for Michael Brown.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
The time is flying by here on the Situation Room.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
We'll pick it up on the other side, right here
on Denver's talk station six point thirty k out.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I swear Michael Brown takes more time off than a
homeless person.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown for the first time
in a while.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's good to be back, good.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
To be here with Dragon, and good to hear some
black magic Woman something that mister undisclosed location never gets
to hear on the air, Ain't that right, Dragon.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
That's what happens when you tell me what your favorite.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Song is, there you go. You never get it, You
get denied. Good thing.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I handpicked my bumper music a lot of times, except
I say, hey, Dragon, go ahead and you can plug
in here. Now, I do have to say, you and
the other great producers behind the glass that we have
prod I heart Denver are gracious enough to let me
plug in some of that music.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
So I just I'm grateful.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Butt's here's the thing we like you, I know, so
we'll work with you and have fun with you.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
But for Michael, ladies and gentlemen breaking news they like
me here that is amazing. Speaking of amazing, the Declaration
of Independence is amazing. Top of the next hour, we
will read by we, I mean me, I will read
the entirety of the Declaration of Independence and do so
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as it was meant to be, with inflection, with energy,
with passion. I encourage you to get a copy ready.
And if you have kids, wake them up. It may
be summer, but it is Independence Day eve and we
all need to do it together. Make this a family
(28:37):
affair right here on six point thirty k how coming
up top of the next hour, don't miss it.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
With that said, hit it dragon.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
I'm a bluesman, math you know that is true. I'm
a bluesman.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
No, you knows that is true.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
I'm a bluesman through it truth.
Speaker 11 (29:23):
Manis old because you.
Speaker 9 (29:29):
I'm alman. You know that's true.
Speaker 11 (29:39):
Losing pretty bad, you know that is true. Well, I'm
a blues man through it truth.
Speaker 12 (29:50):
And Bab's old because you, my baby, don't gonna left
for you behind ram.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
She didn't even giving me a chance to say.
Speaker 13 (30:05):
Aman, Dragon, Dragon, Dragon.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
That's me.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
If you can't tell from the voice, that's yours truly
doing the vocals and the harmonica the Jimmy Junior Blues Band,
and we will be performing at in the Zone Sports
Bar and Grill in Golden Out on the patio this Saturday,
July fifth, And I am absolutely stoked for this show. Dragon,
(30:47):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I like it?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Bring up the heart, Bring up the heart for a moment, brother.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
So one thing I love about the blues is the
ability to sort of improvise and just have some fun
and play around.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
And that's what you will, That's what we love to do.
I should I'd be remiss if.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
I didn't, since I'm doing this shameless plug for the
Jimmy Junior Blues Band in the Zone Sports Bar and
Grill seven to eleven pm on this coming Saturday, July.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Fifth, if I didn't say that.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
On guitar, we now have Steve Gonzalez on drums, Mike
Rossi on the bass, Ken Cornell, and special guests Katie
Johnson that's my sister, will be singing some tunes with us,
and the tremendous guitarist David Brooks will be sitting in
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as well. For several tunes and singing one or two.
It's just gonna be a great time. It's Independence Day weekend.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Dragon.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
You gotta have a great time, right of course, and
we will continue the great time on the other side
with the reading of the Declaration of Independence. Get yours
in front of you, get your kids, let's have some fun.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Keep it here. Two more hours to go.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown six point thirty k out.
Speaker 9 (32:36):
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