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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Michael, You're right. We should think everything, reread, or see
what the grain of salt. For sure. I recently was
doing a little research on Eddie van Halen's death a
few years ago, and the most recent information I got
came by AI and it was telling me about Alex
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van Halen's death. That's his brother. He's very much alive. So, yes,
the stuff is off and wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, it's just it's really a double edged sword. It's
you think of some of the things that AI will
be able to do in terms of medicine or advancing
in terms of technology or productivity. I'll be able to
be amazing. At the same time, there's the other part
of it that will feed you. Again, I I don't
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fully comprehend. I shouldn't even emphasize fully I probably I
probably should say, I just don't comprehend. To be completely
honest with you, all that seems to be redundant. How
can you be just I'm gonna be partially honest. I'm
gonna be sort of honest with you. I don't understand
how AI works it. I keep trying to think of
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it as a.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
You know, like you do. Google will return.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Search results, so I, you know, I ask Google a
question and it will answer by giving me results like
websites or you know, articles or whatever that they think
that they think answer the question.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
A I I see.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Which is why I think that requires the huge databases,
is that they're understand they're able to understand.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Like with Lexus and Nexus, when it first came out,
you you could only use like Boolean search words search terms. Well,
now we've advanced to natural langue and AI. I think,
if I'm right about this, AI comprehends natural language, and
so it starts, you know, scurrying around the innerwebs looking
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for a natural language answer to your question. So it
takes to put it in the most simplistic terms, It
does the equivalent of a Google search, comes up with
the results, then kind of compiles those results and then
gives you an answer to your question. And so that's
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why you have to be very careful about it. You
have to. And I haven't done it yet, but I
a friend of mine who's much more adept at this
than I am, is trying to teach me how to learn,
Like like Lexus Nexus, I had to learn when I
was doing legal research how to string those Boollian terms
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together to get a precise result because one Lexus nexus
that still decive, but at that time it was horribly expensive.
Like every search costs you, you know, a certain amount
of money, so you want to make sure you refine
your search as much as possible. Well, the same is
true with AI. You really need to, like, you know,
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tell me about van Halen's death. Well which van Halen?
You have to learn to. Often I will find myself
going back and saying I won't say this literally, but
it's like I don't believe you quantify that or document that,
or show me your sources or whatever so I can
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so I can go do it. So so far it
hasn't been that much of an advantage.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I want to talk.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
About Trump for a moment, because over the weekend on
a Saturday program, I went through the obs ob cubed
and it was pretty astonished at things that were in
there that I didn't fully comprehend. And I gave the
example earlier about you know, tax on tips. Now, I
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let me see if I can find an email real quickly.
I made the comment I think I made it on
this program too, that I happen to disagree with no
tax on tips if you're if you are a tip.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Earner, well the congratulations.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I'm happy for you, but I don't understand why tips,
which is you're performing a service in exchange for hopefully
some compensation. Now that compensation. For example, when I stopped
for lunch yesterday, you know, they swing the little thing
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around and you know, I got my choice of you know,
no tip or you know, fifteen eighteen, twenty twenty, twenty two,
twenty five whatever. And so you know, based on where
I was, I didn't give the full twenty five percent
because I'm standing at a counter and then I'm going
to have to, you know, go back to the counter
to get my food. So no, I'm not going to
give you twenty five percent for taking my order.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
But I did.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I did leave some tip because I mean, you know,
they are working, and I feel sorry for them. I'm
sure they're not making that much money. So I'm trying to,
you know, spread trying to spread the wealth a little bit.
But why should that tip that I left only up
to twenty five thousand dollars now not be taxed. So
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I made the joke that I should treat the Saturday,
the naturally syndicated program. I should get iHeart and Premiere
Networks to treat that program as my tip for doing
five days a week, I come in and do the
sixth day, and that those ways should be tip.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
We're gonna tip you. We're gonna tip.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
You in compensation for doing an extra day, for doing
those extra three hours. Now, of course that's never going
to happen, and I was being sarcastic about it, but
I was trying to draw the the parallel that I'm
performing services for IHEARTM, Premiere Networks in exchange for a
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set compensation, and then I do spots for my show
sponsors for a set compensation.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
You're working as a.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Barber, you're providing a service for a set compensation, a
haircut twenty five dollars. Then you add on that a tip, Well,
why wouldn't it tip be taxed. It's part of the
compensation you got for providing the service. So I disagree
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with I'm happy for you. I'm glad that you don't
have to pay taxes on the first twenty five, although
you do know you still have to pay your FIKA
taxes right your Social Security Medicare medicate all of that,
you still have to pay that. And as far as
I know, you still have to pay Like in Colorado,
you still have to pay your state income tax. You
just don't pay any federal tax withholding on it. So
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I made that. I made that sarcastic remark, and I
get this email. You used your second job. Is it
really a second job? It's all part of the same
thing you use. This came from down who wrote you
used your second job as an example where you compared
tax on tips to that income, stating that you should
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not be taxed on a weekend second job. Lame. She writes,
Is that income of your second job optional? Because because not?
Because because tips are in all caps optional, they are
a gift. Gifts under ten thousand dollars are not taxable. Ah, stupid.
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I just wanted to confirm. But I knew that tips
were never considered gifts, because if tips were considered gifts.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Under the Internal Revenue Code, then why would be heavy?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
He had debate about whether we should have tax on
tips or not because as long as you're you know,
as long as I because you know I'm the one
giving the gift, well of course it's not.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
But I wanted to double check, so I went on.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I went into the Internal Revenue Code, and under I
think section sixty one. I maybe I may have forgotten,
but I think it was Section sixty one. Tips are
not considered as gifts and therefore are taxable as income.
But what struck me was how quickly because the program
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the program on Saturday airs from twelve to three Eastern
ten to one mountain so I finished at one o'clock
mountain time, three o'clock Easter at three forty eight. She
fired off this email to me, and it was, you know,
I read every email, just like I read every text message.
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But I don't reply to every email, but I did
to Don. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you're wrong.
The Internal Revenue Code does not consider tips as gifts.
Under the tax rules, tips are taxable income. Tips are
addressed under Internal Revenue Codes. It is section sixty one,
which broadly defines gross income as quote all income from
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whatever source derived close quote, unless specifically excluded. Tips are
considered compensation for services rendered and thus fall under this
definition as taxable income. And also you might want to
consider the sarcastic context of my comments. Have a great evening,
MB Again, I'm just I worry about the education level
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and the knee jerk reaction that people have to anything
that anybody else says without first stopping and thinking am
I right or am I wrong? For example, I feel
incredible pressure on this program. I may not sound I
hope it don't sound like it, but I feel incredible
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pressure not to make any mistakes because I know that
many of you are quick to point out, will you
mispronounced that word, or you use the wrong word, or
you use cited the wrong statute, or you did something,
you know, whatever. And while I don't mind that, I
find it funny how quickly we are to jump on
somebody else because well, you're wrong, without any basis in
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fact whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And I think that's a function of the cabal.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's a function of television to some degree, radio, I think,
to the interwebs, and to just well, whether it's X
or Facebook or Instagram or anything else, we read those things.
We take it as gospel. No, stop doing that. You're
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making a fool of yourself if you do. First other
than those of you who I personally know. Other than that,
we are air quotes here, friends on Facebook. But if
we've never met, we've never you know, broken bread together
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we've never made a road trip together. We've never you know,
walked around the building and talked about stuff together. We've
never met somewhere for lunch or for dinner. We've never
had a phone conversation, we've never don anything. We're only
friends in this imaginary world of social media. And so therefore,
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anything that anybody says that you read on social media, well,
for that matter, you hear on television. As I got
these two TV monitors on of which they're both still
covering the floods, I would just caution you to stop
and think before you say, oh, yeah, well I saw
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it on Instagram, so therefore it must be true. A
lot of that's happening with the ob square, ob cube
is too many people are taking whatever the media is
saying about it as truth. Have you thought about what
happened to the no tax on social Security benefits which
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started back with Reagan. You know before that they were
non tax non taxable, and then in the Reagan tax
reform they made them taxable. Well suddenly you hear about
you don't hear about no tax on social security? Well
you hear now about it is a tax benefit to
social security recipients. So In digging through that, I find
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out what they've really done is they've just for seniors.
They've increased the standard deduction for individuals or for couples,
but only up to a certain level of other income,
because many people have Social Security benefits and in addition
to that, they have other income, and that expires. I think,
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don't hold me to this. That expires in twenty twenty eight,
or it may be a little further. So everything that
you've heard about ob cubed take it at face value.
I'm not asking you to go read the almost nine
hundred pages of the bill, but if you have a
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copy of it, if you have a PDF of it
on your computer, you might do a word search and
just look for those things that are interesting to you,
because you're going to find out that, once again they're
probably there's some stuff in there that I'm very happy about,
and there's some stuff in there that I find very questionable,
and then there's some stuff in there that I just
like the tax no tax on tips that I just
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fundamentally disagree with. So we just need to learn that
whatever is being fed to us isn't always going to
be the truth. You know, what Trump's done which I'm
I'm this is not this is not critical. We've in
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the past talked about how a lot of things just
need to be blown up figuratively not literally before before
that drives people crazy. Things just need to be blown up. Well,
with the passage of that oh be cubed, Trump has
indeed crushed, i mean literally crushed a lot of Democrat
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dreams and plans, and he's also starting to an institutional
foundation for Republicans. The Obie Cube is more big than
it is beautiful, truthfully, but the only way to get
the changes that were needed through without going through the
filibus or trying to get to sixty one votes was
through the budget reconciliation process, and the changes got through,
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and that is beautiful. It's just the reality of our
system that to get things done they had to buy votes.
Elon musk Ran, Paul Thomas Massey, bunch of others. They
don't like that, and they're not exactly wrong to not
like it. They're just wrong to think that we could
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have gotten what was needed in any other fashion, which
is why I'm really reluctant to just hammer the bill
because there's some things in it I don't like. Instead,
I get that considering you know, I talked about living
in real vie well understanding how Washington works. In fact,
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having had to deal with the way Washington works, I
understand that's what they got. What they got Hugh Hewitt
went through. Hugh Hewitt posted on x I'm not going
to go through it, but he went through several things
that Reagan, Carter, H. W. Bush, Clinton, George W. Bush, Obama.
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He went through some of their accomplishments, and they are, indeed,
you know, pretty interesting. Uh. Carter pardon most Vietnam era
draft evaders, draft dodgers. Reagan freed the hostages from Iran,
survived in assassination attempt. He fired the striking air trophy controllers.
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He got the big tax cuts through, he got Justice
O'Connor confer. Reagan's second term, he began tax reform. You
can go through and you can look at all of those.
But when you look at Trump's accomplishment not in his
first term, but in the first six months of his
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first term, I mean of his second term, you realize,
holy crap, there were in the first six months of
the first term, there were fourteen repeals of Obamacare regulations
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and the confirmation of Justice Gorsuch. President Biden's accomplishment in
the first six months in office, well, they got the
one point nine trillion American Rescue Plan. He canceled the
Keystone Pipeline. He rejoined the Paris climate accurds, he announced
a hard date for withdrawal from Afghanistan, which I'm going
to get to in a minute, and then the collapse
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occurred within the first seven months of his of his term.
But President Trump's accomplishments in the first six months of
the second term listen to these. No, I'm not gonna
have time to get through all of them. But when
you compare the first six months of the second term,
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he is the inner chiser Bunny on Stell, I'll list
those coming up next. It's well, he's he's the bowl
in the China Claus. You wanted things broken, he's breaking through.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Glad to hear that. You do like to be behind
the microphone because sometimes we really just are not sure.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
It depends on what. It depends what I'm choosing to
talk about that.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah, on the day.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Huh depends on the day.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, this depends on the day, Because there are a
minute like doing the whole thing about the floods this morning.
I was fired up about it and I really wanted
to do it on the one hand, but.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
My schizophrenic brain, on the other hand, is just like,
I don't even want to talk about it. I'm so
sick of it.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
But I do want to talk about So I gave
my irrationale about tips, and that apparently set some of
you off. So let's do these in reverse order. Sixty
six sixty six Mike, how is a bonus different than
a tip? Well, my bonus is built into the contract,
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and my bonus has metrics to it, so it's performed.
It's a performance. But several of my bonuses are all
performance based, so that becomes a part of my overall compensation.
They're willing to pay me. They pay me X, but
they're willing to pay me X plus if in the
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course of performing my I do this other stuff, I
meet these other metrics. So I think that's why it's different.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Well, let me get to the next the next comment,
and then I'll make this I'll explain further. Seven oh
three nine. The IRS does not define tips as gifts.
Should they know? And here's why. Thirteen seventy four says Michael,
you're correct, since the tip is now a gift. No,
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it's not now a gift. It's still income because it's
still taxable by state and local governments. You still pay
your fight at taxes on it. So they've not changed it.
They've just made it non taxable income. They've not converted
it to a gift. Now, that may seem like a
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distinction without a difference to you, but in terms of
the Internal Revenue Code, it's entirely different. It's still income,
but now go to fifty five sixty six. Just because
the IRS says the tips says tips are not a gift.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
But from the.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Perspective of the person giving the tip, isn't it a gift?
Can you comment from that perspective?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I can.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
It's still compensation because I know the person who's bringing
me my food or cutting my hair, and that one
might be a little different because the guy cuts my hair,
it's actually the owner of the business. But maybe cutting
your hair, that's part of their income. For example, a
waiter or waitress, waitstaff, whatever the problem, whatever the proper
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term is, they are paid less than minimum wage, or
they're paid less than a prevailing wage, or they're they're
paid less than what a they normally would because their
tips make up that compensation. So it's part of their
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compensation package. It's part of you go to work at
a restaurant, they say, we're gonna you know, let's just
say minimum wages five dollars. I know it's not let's
just say five dollars. So minimum wages five dollars, We're
gonna pay you three dollars because the rest of it,
you're gonna earn them tips.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
And the law allows them to do that, allows them to.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Pay less than minimum wage because they're in the service
industry where they're going to get tips. So when I
walk up, this is why, even if it's if there's
something wrong in the kitchen, then I will still give
the full amount of tip. Now, if the service itself
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is lousy, I won't give twenty or twenty five percent,
I'll give less. Sometimes I might even explain why, or
I might give the same amount either way, catching problem,
service problem, But I'll tell a manager because I firmly
believe that a good manager wants to know about problems
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in his business. There have been many something just recently happened,
I forget where I was but on the way out,
you know, they you know, they everything okay, and I
swung around and said no, and I said, let me
explain to you why I wasn't mad. I just said,
I think you know, I usually started out with if
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I were in your shoes, I would want to know this.
And so here's what happened to us. And this is
why when you asked me if everything was okay, no,
it was not so I you know, in fact, that
person said, well, I'm really glad.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
To know that. Now.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I kind of thought in the back of my mind
they would hand me a card for like, you know,
maybe a free dessert, or you know, come back and
it's on us, or you know, we're sorry, you know,
let us let's rerun your check and we'll give you
a twenty percent discount or something. But no, they were
just like very they were appreciative of the of the
of the information and did say, yes, I need to
talk to the staff about that, and they will. Their
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tips are part of their compensation. It is not a gift.
I am paying part of their compensation, just as I
pay part of their compensation in the cost of the
meal that they serve me. So no, so from the
perspective of the person giving the tip. I do not
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consider it a gift. Pre mileage may vary, and that
that's perfectly okay. Back to Trump, because I want to
get back to Trump. President's President Trump's accomplishment in just
the first six months of Trump point two point zero
really ordered B twos to strike a Ron's nuclear weapons
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assembly line. He's virtually closed the southern border. He signed
into law the OBQ. He's resetting the Global Trading Order.
He's installed a ten percent baseline tariff. He has killed
DEI and CRT, although he's having to go back and
you know, shoot him again because it keeps. He's playing
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whack a mole with DEI, but at least he's doing it.
He's restoring women's and girls sports teams, two Women and Girls.
He's negotiating new NATO defense spending goals. He's pursued an
aggressive litigation strategy and is winning major wins at the
Supreme Court. He's imposed penalties on campuses with systemic anti
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semitism problems. And he's overseen the peace deal between the
Democrat Republic of Congo and Rwanda.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And he's still got some time. He's still got some time.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
That's a lot of stuff for a new president in
less than six months, and I think that's putting it mildly.
And an important point about DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency,
is that while yes, it did save some money, not
as much as we expected, in fact, much less than
I wanted. But I think there was a larger impact,
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and that was defunding the government funded left. He stopped
the money laundering to a nth degree. It's not completely done,
but he's brought that to light. He took a big
ash flashlight shineded on how they're money laundering money to
themselves through those non government organizations and said stop no
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more of that. I think that defunding the government funded
left turns out to be most of the left, especially
the activists left, and he's drying them up. He's choking them,
choking them up their life blood, which is government money.
So if they can stick to that, that means that
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those leftist organizations are going to have to start going
to real people and asking for real money as opposed
to taking it out of my taxes. What does that do?
That better prepares the battleground for other issues coming down
the line. Now, I think the Musk is right that
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the debt isn't existential crisis. But you can't get at
the debt and at spending without first at least taking
apart the coalitions that created the problem in the first place.
And that's what Trump's doing. So my suggestion for the
Republicans is that you start hitting the Democrats with single
subject bills that have to be voted up or down,
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because that's going to be very politically.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Expensive for the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
You make them start opposing certain things that will not
only peel off some Democrats and unaffiliated voters, but that
will rile up the Republican base. And because when they're
clearly presented without all the extraneous, you know, legislative cover,
they'll vote for anything. But when you do single subject bills,
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just one issue, take whatever your favorite issue is, put
it into one piece of legislation, and put that up
for a vote, have a hearing on it, but speed
the process up and then make them vote. So as
we come out of the fourth of July weekend, it's
not just a date on the calendar, it really is
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Independence Day. And that bull in the China closet, you know,
have you ever seen the bull on Wall Street. You
never seen that statue down on Wall Street? That big
bull has been cut loose in a China cabinet and
he's really just wrecking it to pieces. And it's just starting.
So while I.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
May not agree with everything in the bill.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
By the way, somebody mentioned the tax stamp on suppressors,
short barrel rifles and others. That's gone. I didn't know
about that because nobody's talked about it. Yeah, that two
hundred dollars tax stamp.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
That's gone.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So again, you can find things in there that you like,
and you can find things in there that you don't like.
But and you can argue about whether it's when you're
really reduce the deficit or not. You know, you look
at it. If we do get growth, if we finally
get to two or three percent growth, hopefully maybe even
three or four percent growth, well, that additional revenue if
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we don't let Congress spend it, which I know is
a heavy lift. But if we don't let Congress spend it,
we can actually start paying it down. We might reduce
the budget deficit by over five hundred billion, half a
trillion dollars, half a trillion dollars. So yeah, there's a
lot of potential there, even with the stuff that I
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don't like.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Like a friend of my brothers used to say, Trump
is like a bulldog and a Chinese restaurant dragon.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, explain that one to me. Not a chance, Not
a chance because you don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Okay, Yeah, I mean there are implications there, but I'm
not sure if that's what that's meant.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I don't know what the implication.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Don't quite get the implication. Well, Chinese food has been
seen to have been you know, animal sleep, dogs and cats,
but I don't know how that correlates to Trump being eaten. Okay,
well the bulldog in the Chinese See, I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I just don't. Sometimes I feel really stupid.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Quite often, most of the time, most of the time
when you're awake, Well that's how you feel.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I feel really really stupid until I come in here
and sit down in your and then I have to
deal with you, and then I feel like Einstein.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
I feel like a freaking genius. The bar is so low.
I come here and I think, damn, you're smart. No
mean me, not you.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Right, Yeah, you're the biggest ego boost my entire life.
You're welcome Over the weekend, our illustrious governor proudly announced
that there's new air service from Charlotte, North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
To Veil Now. He posted this on.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
X This new flight will make it easier for visitors
to enjoy the beauty of the Colorado Rockies, whether you're
here for skiing or exploring.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Welcome to Colorado.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Now I read that, and here's what I Honest to goodness,
here's what I first thought. I think he misses the
point of the entire post. So here's what he really
meant to say. Now, people from the East Coast can
fly into Charlotte, which is a hub, and then they
can fly from Charlotte and they can fly right over
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Denver International Airport. They don't have to go through all
the construction crap at DA. They don't have to get
in the you know, on the stupid shuttle bus and
take the shuttle bus twenty miles to the car rental lots,
and then they once they get their car, they don't
have to get on Penia Boulevard and suffer all the
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backups on a two lane well actually technically four lanes
between what two lanes each direction that is supposedly there
to serve what one of the fourth lart or second
see he's in the top five airports in the country.
And then they get to avoid the homeless people as
or the you know, the backups of I seventy that
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Pulley designed tunnels, and then they get to avoid all
of the backups as they you know, head up to
you know, Genesee and they're trying to get through the
Eisenhower tunnels and you know, there's a there's a truck
that's caught on fire, and so you know I seventy
is completely shut down or or it rained, and there's
been a rock slide, yes, a rockslide, and now they
can't go anywhere. Instead, what do they get to do, Well,
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they miss all of that, and they get to go
straight from Charlotte to Vale and they missed the entire
crapple city of Denver. So if you if you want
to visit the mountains, no one need to stop at
Denver International.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Just go to Vale.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And for all you muggety munks, you could probably go
to Aspen too, or even tell you right, all that
might in Taylor stop at Denver International. So there's there's
the good news for to day. The other good news
was I read over the weekend that a bunch of
farmers and ranchers out on the on the western slope
had a meeting. And I forget whether it's a grand
junction or get gwyn what doesn't make any any difference,
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but they had meeting out on the western slope trying
to they decided to take it upon themselves to deal
with the wolves. Yes, I think the story is in
the Colorado's Sun if you want to read it. It's
a really good story about how the wolves are just decimating.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Now.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I know we've got, you know, millions of cattle in
the country, but not one person owns those millions of cattle.
There are lots of farmers and ranchers that own you know,
several hundred hens, maybe even a thousand here, but that's
their livelihood. And Marlus's you know, the first husband's baby.
Wolves now they're killing the cab ranchers are fed up.
Michael, You're right. We should think everything, reread, or see
what the grain of salt. For sure. I recently was
doing a little research on Eddie van Halen's death a
few years ago, and the most recent information I got
came by AI and it was telling me about Alex
(00:20):
van Halen's death. That's his brother. He's very much alive. So, yes,
the stuff is off and wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, it's just it's really a double edged sword. It's
you think of some of the things that AI will
be able to do in terms of medicine or advancing
in terms of technology or productivity. I'll be able to
be amazing. At the same time, there's the other part
of it that will feed you. Again, I I don't
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fully comprehend. I shouldn't even emphasize fully I probably I
probably should say, I just don't comprehend. To be completely
honest with you, all that seems to be redundant. How
can you be just I'm gonna be partially honest. I'm
gonna be sort of honest with you. I don't understand
how AI works it. I keep trying to think of
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it as a.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
You know, like you do. Google will return.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Search results, so I, you know, I ask Google a
question and it will answer by giving me results like
websites or you know, articles or whatever that they think
that they think answer the question.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
A I I see.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Which is why I think that requires the huge databases,
is that they're understand they're able to understand.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Like with Lexus and Nexus, when it first came out,
you you could only use like Boolean search words search terms. Well,
now we've advanced to natural langue and AI. I think,
if I'm right about this, AI comprehends natural language, and
so it starts, you know, scurrying around the innerwebs looking
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for a natural language answer to your question. So it
takes to put it in the most simplistic terms, It
does the equivalent of a Google search, comes up with
the results, then kind of compiles those results and then
gives you an answer to your question. And so that's
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why you have to be very careful about it. You
have to. And I haven't done it yet, but I
a friend of mine who's much more adept at this
than I am, is trying to teach me how to learn,
Like like Lexus Nexus, I had to learn when I
was doing legal research how to string those Boollian terms
(02:54):
together to get a precise result because one Lexus nexus
that still decive, but at that time it was horribly expensive.
Like every search costs you, you know, a certain amount
of money, so you want to make sure you refine
your search as much as possible. Well, the same is
true with AI. You really need to, like, you know,
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tell me about van Halen's death. Well which van Halen?
You have to learn to. Often I will find myself
going back and saying I won't say this literally, but
it's like I don't believe you quantify that or document that,
or show me your sources or whatever so I can
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so I can go do it. So so far it
hasn't been that much of an advantage.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I want to talk.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
About Trump for a moment, because over the weekend on
a Saturday program, I went through the obs ob cubed
and it was pretty astonished at things that were in
there that I didn't fully comprehend. And I gave the
example earlier about you know, tax on tips. Now, I
(04:03):
let me see if I can find an email real quickly.
I made the comment I think I made it on
this program too, that I happen to disagree with no
tax on tips if you're if you are a tip.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Earner, well the congratulations.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I'm happy for you, but I don't understand why tips,
which is you're performing a service in exchange for hopefully
some compensation. Now that compensation. For example, when I stopped
for lunch yesterday, you know, they swing the little thing
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around and you know, I got my choice of you know,
no tip or you know, fifteen eighteen, twenty twenty, twenty two,
twenty five whatever. And so you know, based on where
I was, I didn't give the full twenty five percent
because I'm standing at a counter and then I'm going
to have to, you know, go back to the counter
to get my food. So no, I'm not going to
give you twenty five percent for taking my order.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
But I did.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I did leave some tip because I mean, you know,
they are working, and I feel sorry for them. I'm
sure they're not making that much money. So I'm trying to,
you know, spread trying to spread the wealth a little bit.
But why should that tip that I left only up
to twenty five thousand dollars now not be taxed. So
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I made the joke that I should treat the Saturday,
the naturally syndicated program. I should get iHeart and Premiere
Networks to treat that program as my tip for doing
five days a week, I come in and do the
sixth day, and that those ways should be tip.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
We're gonna tip you. We're gonna tip.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
You in compensation for doing an extra day, for doing
those extra three hours. Now, of course that's never going
to happen, and I was being sarcastic about it, but
I was trying to draw the the parallel that I'm
performing services for IHEARTM, Premiere Networks in exchange for a
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set compensation, and then I do spots for my show
sponsors for a set compensation.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
You're working as a.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Barber, you're providing a service for a set compensation, a
haircut twenty five dollars. Then you add on that a tip, Well,
why wouldn't it tip be taxed. It's part of the
compensation you got for providing the service. So I disagree
(06:48):
with I'm happy for you. I'm glad that you don't
have to pay taxes on the first twenty five, although
you do know you still have to pay your FIKA
taxes right your Social Security Medicare medicate all of that,
you still have to pay that. And as far as
I know, you still have to pay Like in Colorado,
you still have to pay your state income tax. You
just don't pay any federal tax withholding on it. So
(07:09):
I made that. I made that sarcastic remark, and I
get this email. You used your second job. Is it
really a second job? It's all part of the same
thing you use. This came from down who wrote you
used your second job as an example where you compared
tax on tips to that income, stating that you should
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not be taxed on a weekend second job. Lame. She writes,
Is that income of your second job optional? Because because not?
Because because tips are in all caps optional, they are
a gift. Gifts under ten thousand dollars are not taxable. Ah, stupid.
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I just wanted to confirm. But I knew that tips
were never considered gifts, because if tips were considered gifts.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Under the Internal Revenue Code, then why would be heavy?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
He had debate about whether we should have tax on
tips or not because as long as you're you know,
as long as I because you know I'm the one
giving the gift, well of course it's not.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
But I wanted to double check, so I went on.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I went into the Internal Revenue Code, and under I
think section sixty one. I maybe I may have forgotten,
but I think it was Section sixty one. Tips are
not considered as gifts and therefore are taxable as income.
But what struck me was how quickly because the program
(08:54):
the program on Saturday airs from twelve to three Eastern
ten to one mountain so I finished at one o'clock
mountain time, three o'clock Easter at three forty eight. She
fired off this email to me, and it was, you know,
I read every email, just like I read every text message.
(09:14):
But I don't reply to every email, but I did
to Don. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you're wrong.
The Internal Revenue Code does not consider tips as gifts.
Under the tax rules, tips are taxable income. Tips are
addressed under Internal Revenue Codes. It is section sixty one,
which broadly defines gross income as quote all income from
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whatever source derived close quote, unless specifically excluded. Tips are
considered compensation for services rendered and thus fall under this
definition as taxable income. And also you might want to
consider the sarcastic context of my comments. Have a great evening,
MB Again, I'm just I worry about the education level
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and the knee jerk reaction that people have to anything
that anybody else says without first stopping and thinking am
I right or am I wrong? For example, I feel
incredible pressure on this program. I may not sound I
hope it don't sound like it, but I feel incredible
(10:21):
pressure not to make any mistakes because I know that
many of you are quick to point out, will you
mispronounced that word, or you use the wrong word, or
you use cited the wrong statute, or you did something,
you know, whatever. And while I don't mind that, I
find it funny how quickly we are to jump on
somebody else because well, you're wrong, without any basis in
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fact whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And I think that's a function of the cabal.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's a function of television to some degree, radio, I think,
to the interwebs, and to just well, whether it's X
or Facebook or Instagram or anything else, we read those things.
We take it as gospel. No, stop doing that. You're
(11:14):
making a fool of yourself if you do. First other
than those of you who I personally know. Other than that,
we are air quotes here, friends on Facebook. But if
we've never met, we've never you know, broken bread together
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we've never made a road trip together. We've never you know,
walked around the building and talked about stuff together. We've
never met somewhere for lunch or for dinner. We've never
had a phone conversation, we've never don anything. We're only
friends in this imaginary world of social media. And so therefore,
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anything that anybody says that you read on social media, well,
for that matter, you hear on television. As I got
these two TV monitors on of which they're both still
covering the floods, I would just caution you to stop
and think before you say, oh, yeah, well I saw
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it on Instagram, so therefore it must be true. A
lot of that's happening with the ob square, ob cube
is too many people are taking whatever the media is
saying about it as truth. Have you thought about what
happened to the no tax on social Security benefits which
(12:44):
started back with Reagan. You know before that they were
non tax non taxable, and then in the Reagan tax
reform they made them taxable. Well suddenly you hear about
you don't hear about no tax on social security? Well
you hear now about it is a tax benefit to
social security recipients. So In digging through that, I find
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out what they've really done is they've just for seniors.
They've increased the standard deduction for individuals or for couples,
but only up to a certain level of other income,
because many people have Social Security benefits and in addition
to that, they have other income, and that expires. I think,
(13:30):
don't hold me to this. That expires in twenty twenty eight,
or it may be a little further. So everything that
you've heard about ob cubed take it at face value.
I'm not asking you to go read the almost nine
hundred pages of the bill, but if you have a
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copy of it, if you have a PDF of it
on your computer, you might do a word search and
just look for those things that are interesting to you,
because you're going to find out that, once again they're
probably there's some stuff in there that I'm very happy about,
and there's some stuff in there that I find very questionable,
and then there's some stuff in there that I just
like the tax no tax on tips that I just
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fundamentally disagree with. So we just need to learn that
whatever is being fed to us isn't always going to
be the truth. You know, what Trump's done which I'm
I'm this is not this is not critical. We've in
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the past talked about how a lot of things just
need to be blown up figuratively not literally before before
that drives people crazy. Things just need to be blown up. Well,
with the passage of that oh be cubed, Trump has
indeed crushed, i mean literally crushed a lot of Democrat
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dreams and plans, and he's also starting to an institutional
foundation for Republicans. The Obie Cube is more big than
it is beautiful, truthfully, but the only way to get
the changes that were needed through without going through the
filibus or trying to get to sixty one votes was
through the budget reconciliation process, and the changes got through,
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and that is beautiful. It's just the reality of our
system that to get things done they had to buy votes.
Elon musk Ran, Paul Thomas Massey, bunch of others. They
don't like that, and they're not exactly wrong to not
like it. They're just wrong to think that we could
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have gotten what was needed in any other fashion, which
is why I'm really reluctant to just hammer the bill
because there's some things in it I don't like. Instead,
I get that considering you know, I talked about living
in real vie well understanding how Washington works. In fact,
(16:03):
having had to deal with the way Washington works, I
understand that's what they got. What they got Hugh Hewitt
went through. Hugh Hewitt posted on x I'm not going
to go through it, but he went through several things
that Reagan, Carter, H. W. Bush, Clinton, George W. Bush, Obama.
(16:24):
He went through some of their accomplishments, and they are, indeed,
you know, pretty interesting. Uh. Carter pardon most Vietnam era
draft evaders, draft dodgers. Reagan freed the hostages from Iran,
survived in assassination attempt. He fired the striking air trophy controllers.
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He got the big tax cuts through, he got Justice
O'Connor confer. Reagan's second term, he began tax reform. You
can go through and you can look at all of those.
But when you look at Trump's accomplishment not in his
first term, but in the first six months of his
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first term, I mean of his second term, you realize,
holy crap, there were in the first six months of
the first term, there were fourteen repeals of Obamacare regulations
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and the confirmation of Justice Gorsuch. President Biden's accomplishment in
the first six months in office, well, they got the
one point nine trillion American Rescue Plan. He canceled the
Keystone Pipeline. He rejoined the Paris climate accurds, he announced
a hard date for withdrawal from Afghanistan, which I'm going
to get to in a minute, and then the collapse
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occurred within the first seven months of his of his term.
But President Trump's accomplishments in the first six months of
the second term listen to these. No, I'm not gonna
have time to get through all of them. But when
you compare the first six months of the second term,
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he is the inner chiser Bunny on Stell, I'll list
those coming up next. It's well, he's he's the bowl
in the China Claus. You wanted things broken, he's breaking through.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Glad to hear that. You do like to be behind
the microphone because sometimes we really just are not sure.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
It depends on what. It depends what I'm choosing to
talk about that.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah, on the day.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Huh depends on the day.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, this depends on the day, Because there are a
minute like doing the whole thing about the floods this morning.
I was fired up about it and I really wanted
to do it on the one hand, but.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
My schizophrenic brain, on the other hand, is just like,
I don't even want to talk about it. I'm so
sick of it.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
But I do want to talk about So I gave
my irrationale about tips, and that apparently set some of
you off. So let's do these in reverse order. Sixty
six sixty six Mike, how is a bonus different than
a tip? Well, my bonus is built into the contract,
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and my bonus has metrics to it, so it's performed.
It's a performance. But several of my bonuses are all
performance based, so that becomes a part of my overall compensation.
They're willing to pay me. They pay me X, but
they're willing to pay me X plus if in the
(19:58):
course of performing my I do this other stuff, I
meet these other metrics. So I think that's why it's different.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Well, let me get to the next the next comment,
and then I'll make this I'll explain further. Seven oh
three nine. The IRS does not define tips as gifts.
Should they know? And here's why. Thirteen seventy four says Michael,
you're correct, since the tip is now a gift. No,
(20:33):
it's not now a gift. It's still income because it's
still taxable by state and local governments. You still pay
your fight at taxes on it. So they've not changed it.
They've just made it non taxable income. They've not converted
it to a gift. Now, that may seem like a
(20:55):
distinction without a difference to you, but in terms of
the Internal Revenue Code, it's entirely different. It's still income,
but now go to fifty five sixty six. Just because
the IRS says the tips says tips are not a gift.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
But from the.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Perspective of the person giving the tip, isn't it a gift?
Can you comment from that perspective?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I can.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
It's still compensation because I know the person who's bringing
me my food or cutting my hair, and that one
might be a little different because the guy cuts my hair,
it's actually the owner of the business. But maybe cutting
your hair, that's part of their income. For example, a
waiter or waitress, waitstaff, whatever the problem, whatever the proper
(21:45):
term is, they are paid less than minimum wage, or
they're paid less than a prevailing wage, or they're they're
paid less than what a they normally would because their
tips make up that compensation. So it's part of their
(22:06):
compensation package. It's part of you go to work at
a restaurant, they say, we're gonna you know, let's just
say minimum wages five dollars. I know it's not let's
just say five dollars. So minimum wages five dollars, We're
gonna pay you three dollars because the rest of it,
you're gonna earn them tips.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
And the law allows them to do that, allows them to.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Pay less than minimum wage because they're in the service
industry where they're going to get tips. So when I
walk up, this is why, even if it's if there's
something wrong in the kitchen, then I will still give
the full amount of tip. Now, if the service itself
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is lousy, I won't give twenty or twenty five percent,
I'll give less. Sometimes I might even explain why, or
I might give the same amount either way, catching problem,
service problem, But I'll tell a manager because I firmly
believe that a good manager wants to know about problems
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in his business. There have been many something just recently happened,
I forget where I was but on the way out,
you know, they you know, they everything okay, and I
swung around and said no, and I said, let me
explain to you why I wasn't mad. I just said,
I think you know, I usually started out with if
(23:33):
I were in your shoes, I would want to know this.
And so here's what happened to us. And this is
why when you asked me if everything was okay, no,
it was not so I you know, in fact, that
person said, well, I'm really glad.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
To know that. Now.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I kind of thought in the back of my mind
they would hand me a card for like, you know,
maybe a free dessert, or you know, come back and
it's on us, or you know, we're sorry, you know,
let us let's rerun your check and we'll give you
a twenty percent discount or something. But no, they were
just like very they were appreciative of the of the
of the information and did say, yes, I need to
talk to the staff about that, and they will. Their
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tips are part of their compensation. It is not a gift.
I am paying part of their compensation, just as I
pay part of their compensation in the cost of the
meal that they serve me. So no, so from the
perspective of the person giving the tip. I do not
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consider it a gift. Pre mileage may vary, and that
that's perfectly okay. Back to Trump, because I want to
get back to Trump. President's President Trump's accomplishment in just
the first six months of Trump point two point zero
really ordered B twos to strike a Ron's nuclear weapons
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assembly line. He's virtually closed the southern border. He signed
into law the OBQ. He's resetting the Global Trading Order.
He's installed a ten percent baseline tariff. He has killed
DEI and CRT, although he's having to go back and
you know, shoot him again because it keeps. He's playing
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whack a mole with DEI, but at least he's doing it.
He's restoring women's and girls sports teams, two Women and Girls.
He's negotiating new NATO defense spending goals. He's pursued an
aggressive litigation strategy and is winning major wins at the
Supreme Court. He's imposed penalties on campuses with systemic anti
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semitism problems. And he's overseen the peace deal between the
Democrat Republic of Congo and Rwanda.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And he's still got some time. He's still got some time.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
That's a lot of stuff for a new president in
less than six months, and I think that's putting it mildly.
And an important point about DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency,
is that while yes, it did save some money, not
as much as we expected, in fact, much less than
I wanted. But I think there was a larger impact,
(26:15):
and that was defunding the government funded left. He stopped
the money laundering to a nth degree. It's not completely done,
but he's brought that to light. He took a big
ash flashlight shineded on how they're money laundering money to
themselves through those non government organizations and said stop no
(26:40):
more of that. I think that defunding the government funded
left turns out to be most of the left, especially
the activists left, and he's drying them up. He's choking them,
choking them up their life blood, which is government money.
So if they can stick to that, that means that
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those leftist organizations are going to have to start going
to real people and asking for real money as opposed
to taking it out of my taxes. What does that do?
That better prepares the battleground for other issues coming down
the line. Now, I think the Musk is right that
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the debt isn't existential crisis. But you can't get at
the debt and at spending without first at least taking
apart the coalitions that created the problem in the first place.
And that's what Trump's doing. So my suggestion for the
Republicans is that you start hitting the Democrats with single
subject bills that have to be voted up or down,
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because that's going to be very politically.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Expensive for the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
You make them start opposing certain things that will not
only peel off some Democrats and unaffiliated voters, but that
will rile up the Republican base. And because when they're
clearly presented without all the extraneous, you know, legislative cover,
they'll vote for anything. But when you do single subject bills,
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just one issue, take whatever your favorite issue is, put
it into one piece of legislation, and put that up
for a vote, have a hearing on it, but speed
the process up and then make them vote. So as
we come out of the fourth of July weekend, it's
not just a date on the calendar, it really is
(28:40):
Independence Day. And that bull in the China closet, you know,
have you ever seen the bull on Wall Street. You
never seen that statue down on Wall Street? That big
bull has been cut loose in a China cabinet and
he's really just wrecking it to pieces. And it's just starting.
So while I.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
May not agree with everything in the bill.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
By the way, somebody mentioned the tax stamp on suppressors,
short barrel rifles and others. That's gone. I didn't know
about that because nobody's talked about it. Yeah, that two
hundred dollars tax stamp.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
That's gone.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So again, you can find things in there that you like,
and you can find things in there that you don't like.
But and you can argue about whether it's when you're
really reduce the deficit or not. You know, you look
at it. If we do get growth, if we finally
get to two or three percent growth, hopefully maybe even
three or four percent growth, well, that additional revenue if
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we don't let Congress spend it, which I know is
a heavy lift. But if we don't let Congress spend it,
we can actually start paying it down. We might reduce
the budget deficit by over five hundred billion, half a
trillion dollars, half a trillion dollars. So yeah, there's a
lot of potential there, even with the stuff that I
(29:59):
don't like.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Like a friend of my brothers used to say, Trump
is like a bulldog and a Chinese restaurant dragon.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, explain that one to me. Not a chance, Not
a chance because you don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Okay, Yeah, I mean there are implications there, but I'm
not sure if that's what that's meant.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I don't know what the implication.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Don't quite get the implication. Well, Chinese food has been
seen to have been you know, animal sleep, dogs and cats,
but I don't know how that correlates to Trump being eaten. Okay,
well the bulldog in the Chinese See, I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I just don't. Sometimes I feel really stupid.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Quite often, most of the time, most of the time
when you're awake, Well that's how you feel.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I feel really really stupid until I come in here
and sit down in your and then I have to
deal with you, and then I feel like Einstein.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
I feel like a freaking genius. The bar is so low.
I come here and I think, damn, you're smart. No
mean me, not you.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Right, Yeah, you're the biggest ego boost my entire life.
You're welcome Over the weekend, our illustrious governor proudly announced
that there's new air service from Charlotte, North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
To Veil Now. He posted this on.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
X This new flight will make it easier for visitors
to enjoy the beauty of the Colorado Rockies, whether you're
here for skiing or exploring.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Welcome to Colorado.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Now I read that, and here's what I Honest to goodness,
here's what I first thought. I think he misses the
point of the entire post. So here's what he really
meant to say. Now, people from the East Coast can
fly into Charlotte, which is a hub, and then they
can fly from Charlotte and they can fly right over
(32:14):
Denver International Airport. They don't have to go through all
the construction crap at DA. They don't have to get
in the you know, on the stupid shuttle bus and
take the shuttle bus twenty miles to the car rental lots,
and then they once they get their car, they don't
have to get on Penia Boulevard and suffer all the
(32:35):
backups on a two lane well actually technically four lanes
between what two lanes each direction that is supposedly there
to serve what one of the fourth lart or second
see he's in the top five airports in the country.
And then they get to avoid the homeless people as
or the you know, the backups of I seventy that
(32:56):
Pulley designed tunnels, and then they get to avoid all
of the backups as they you know, head up to
you know, Genesee and they're trying to get through the
Eisenhower tunnels and you know, there's a there's a truck
that's caught on fire, and so you know I seventy
is completely shut down or or it rained, and there's
been a rock slide, yes, a rockslide, and now they
can't go anywhere. Instead, what do they get to do, Well,
(33:21):
they miss all of that, and they get to go
straight from Charlotte to Vale and they missed the entire
crapple city of Denver. So if you if you want
to visit the mountains, no one need to stop at
Denver International.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Just go to Vale.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And for all you muggety munks, you could probably go
to Aspen too, or even tell you right, all that
might in Taylor stop at Denver International. So there's there's
the good news for to day. The other good news
was I read over the weekend that a bunch of
farmers and ranchers out on the on the western slope
had a meeting. And I forget whether it's a grand
junction or get gwyn what doesn't make any any difference,
(33:59):
but they had meeting out on the western slope trying
to they decided to take it upon themselves to deal
with the wolves. Yes, I think the story is in
the Colorado's Sun if you want to read it. It's
a really good story about how the wolves are just decimating.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Now.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I know we've got, you know, millions of cattle in
the country, but not one person owns those millions of cattle.
There are lots of farmers and ranchers that own you know,
several hundred hens, maybe even a thousand here, but that's
their livelihood. And Marlus's you know, the first husband's baby.
Wolves now they're killing the cab ranchers are fed up.
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